City Council

City Council Regular Meeting

Date: 2020-06-10
Status: Draft minutes and machine transcript available
Source: CivicClerk event #777

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Draft minutes printed in the City's agenda packet of 2020-07-08; approved with amendments by the City Council on 2020-07-08 according to the City's minutes; the approving motion: “approve the Minutes for the Regular Meeting of June 10, 2020 with the following amendments: Cn page 9, it should read 1) Organize a community of faith leaders group meeting to discuss issues, 2) Request to have Council on Tuesday nights, as most churches have services on Wednesday nights, and 3) Request another …”; the amendment is quoted from that motion and is not applied in these records. The City has not posted the approved minutes. The approving motion, “to approve the Minutes for the Regular Meeting of June 10, 2020 with the following amendments: Cn page 9, it should read 1) Organize a community of faith leaders group meeting to discuss issues, 2) Request to have Council on Tuesday nights, as most churches have services on Wednesday nights, and 3) Request another presentation on the Consent Decree”, is in the City's minutes (900_CC_Reg_Minutes_07_08_2020.pdf, pp. 1–2).

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Attendance (the roll call)

Listed present when the roll was taken: Jake Williams Jr., Alex Goins (printed “James Goins”), Don Boisvert, Lorraine Koss, Brenda Warner
(Checked against the ballots and the printed roll lines.)
Absences: no absence line could be read from the minutes' text, so none is stated here; the first page of the minutes is the record.
Also listed as present (staff and other roles): Anthony A. Garganese (City Attorney), Matthew Fuhrer (Interim City Manager), Carie E. Shealy (City Clerk), Tammy Gemmati (Administrative Services Director), Jack Walsh (Utilities Director), Michael Cantaloupe (Chief of Police), Jonathan Lamm (Fire Chief), Bryant Smith (Public Works Director), Rebecca Bowman (Finance Director), Nancy Bunt (Community Services Director), LeShawn Hinton (Helpdesk Support Tech)
Named on at least one ballot later in the meeting: Alex Goins, Brenda Warner, Don Boisvert, Jake Williams Jr., Lorraine Koss (participation, which can differ from the roll: arrivals and departures are in the minutes' text)

Adopted actions (12)

to approve the agenda as amended for t he Regular meeting of June 10, 2020 (moved by Don Boisvert, seconded by Lorraine Koss); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Jake Williams Jr., Alex Goins, Don Boisvert, Lorraine Koss, Brenda Warner; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 2
to approve the Minutes for the Budget Priorities/Fiscal Sustainab ility Workshop of May 6, 2020 and the Special Meeting on May 12, 2020 as written (moved by Lorraine Koss, seconded by Brenda Warner); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Jake Williams Jr., Alex Goins, Don Boisvert, Lorraine Koss, Brenda Warner; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 2
to authorize the City Attorney to pursue the lawsuits (moved by Don Boisvert, seconded by Lorraine Koss); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Jake Williams Jr., Alex Goins, Don Boisvert, Lorraine Koss, Brenda Warner; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 7
to approve the Consent agenda (moved by Don Boisvert, seconded by Lorraine Koss); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Jake Williams Jr., Alex Goins, Don Boisvert, Lorraine Koss, Brenda Warner; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 10
to approve the Reappointment of Nancy Elliott, as a regular member of the Board of Adjustment, through May, 2023 (moved by Brenda Warner, seconded by Don Boisvert); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Jake Williams Jr., Alex Goins, Don Boisvert, Lorraine Koss, Brenda Warner; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 13
4. Consider the Reappointment of George Brown, as a regular member of the Code Enforcement Board, through May, 2023. (20-307) — to approve the Reappointment of George Brown, as a regular member of the Code Enforcement Board, through May, 2023 (moved by Don Boisvert, seconded by Brenda Warner); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Jake Williams Jr., Alex Goins, Don Boisvert, Lorraine Koss, Brenda Warner; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 14
5. Consider the appointment of the (2) of following interested Cocoa residents as the Primary and Alternate member of the Space Coast TPO Ci — to appoint Mr. Greg Stoll as the Primary member and Ms. Sarah Ann Conkling as the Alternate member for the S pace Coast TPO Citizen Advisory Committee (CAC (moved by Lorraine Koss, seconded by Alex Goins); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Jake Williams Jr., Alex Goins, Don Boisvert, Lorraine Koss, Brenda Warner; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 14
6. Consider the Reappointment of Thomas Yardley, as a regular member of the US1 CRA, through the sunset date of the agency which will be on — to approve the Reappointment of Thomas Yardley, as a regular member of the US1 CRA, through the sunset date of the agency which will be on or before September 30, 2020 (moved by Brenda Warner, seconded by Don Boisvert); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Jake Williams Jr., Alex Goins, Don Boisvert, Lorraine Koss, Brenda Warner; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 15
to approve the item (moved by Jake Williams Jr., seconded by Don Boisvert); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Jake Williams Jr., Alex Goins, Don Boisvert, Lorraine Koss, Brenda Warner; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 16
2. Approve a Budget Transfer from General Fund Contingency (001 -1600-513-39- 00) to the Community Services Contract Services Account (001 - — to approve the item (moved by Don Boisvert, seconded by Lorraine Koss); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Jake Williams Jr., Alex Goins, Don Boisvert, Lorraine Koss, Brenda Warner; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 16
3. Approve an Interlocal Agreement with Brevard County for CARES Act funding and authorize the City Manager to submit authorized expenditure — to approve the item (moved by Don Boisvert, seconded by Lorraine Koss); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Jake Williams Jr., Alex Goins, Don Boisvert, Lorraine Koss, Brenda Warner; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 17
to adjourn the Regular meeting of June 10, 2020 (moved by Don Boisvert, seconded by Lorraine Koss); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Jake Williams Jr., Alex Goins, Don Boisvert, Lorraine Koss, Brenda Warner; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 17

Money named in the minutes' motions (what each motion did with the amount, in its own words)

$266,552.32 — Council: Consent agenda item 2, approved with the Consent agenda (in draft minutes not approved as written (not counted as adopted): listed on an agenda item that an adopted motion approved as presented). “Approve entering into a co -operative purchase agreement with, and issuing a Purchase Order to Asphalt Paving Systems, Inc. in the amount of $266,552.32 for the Full Depth Reclamation (FDR) of Pineda Street from Peachtree Street to Dixon Blvd. using Lee County Solicitation No. B170265/ANB, Alternative Paving Methods, effective September 5, 2017 through September 4, 2020.” (motion result: CARRIED; the draft minutes printed for approval in the 2020-07-08 agenda packet (899_CC_Reg_Packet_; fiscal period not recorded) (draft minutes printed in the City's agenda packet of 2020-07-08; approved with amendments by the City Council on 2020-07-08 according to the City's minutes; the approving motion: “approve the Minutes for the Regular Meeting of June 10, 2020 with the following amendments: Cn page 9, it should read 1) Organize a community of faith leaders group meeting to discuss issues, 2) Request to have Council on Tuesday nights, as most churches have services on Wednesday nights, and 3) Request another …”; the amendment is quoted from that motion and is not applied in these records)
$26,655.23 — Council: Consent agenda item 2, approved with the Consent agenda (in draft minutes not approved as written (not counted as adopted): listed on an agenda item that an adopted motion approved as presented) — authorized up to (a spending limit, not an amount spent). “Approve a Resolution for Budgetary Contingency to authorize the City Manager to approve any change orders up to 10% of the contract value in the amount of $26,655.23 for any additional work, as needed.” (motion result: CARRIED; the draft minutes printed for approval in the 2020-07-08 agenda packet (899_CC_Reg_Packet_; fiscal period not recorded) (draft minutes printed in the City's agenda packet of 2020-07-08; approved with amendments by the City Council on 2020-07-08 according to the City's minutes; the approving motion: “approve the Minutes for the Regular Meeting of June 10, 2020 with the following amendments: Cn page 9, it should read 1) Organize a community of faith leaders group meeting to discuss issues, 2) Request to have Council on Tuesday nights, as most churches have services on Wednesday nights, and 3) Request another …”; the amendment is quoted from that motion and is not applied in these records)
$46,410 — Council: Consent agenda item 3, approved with the Consent agenda (in draft minutes not approved as written (not counted as adopted): listed on an agenda item that an adopted motion approved as presented) — authorized up to (a spending limit, not an amount spent). “Approve the Addendum to the Mowing Contract with U.S. Lawns, to include the areas previously attended to by the Inmate Squad, and Approve the Change Order to the Original Purchase Order # 75634 not to exceed $46,410 .” (motion result: CARRIED; the draft minutes printed for approval in the 2020-07-08 agenda packet (899_CC_Reg_Packet_; fiscal period not recorded) (draft minutes printed in the City's agenda packet of 2020-07-08; approved with amendments by the City Council on 2020-07-08 according to the City's minutes; the approving motion: “approve the Minutes for the Regular Meeting of June 10, 2020 with the following amendments: Cn page 9, it should read 1) Organize a community of faith leaders group meeting to discuss issues, 2) Request to have Council on Tuesday nights, as most churches have services on Wednesday nights, and 3) Request another …”; the amendment is quoted from that motion and is not applied in these records)
$52,000 — Council: in draft minutes not approved as written (not counted as adopted): listed on an agenda item that an adopted motion approved as presented. “Approve a Budget Transfer from General Fund Contingency (001 -1600-513-39- 00) to the Community Services Contract Services Account (001 -3200-515-34-00) in the amount of $52,000 for third party Building Official, Commercial Inspector, and Flood Plain Review services through the remainder of Fiscal Year 2020.” (motion result: CARRIED; the draft minutes printed for approval in the 2020-07-08 agenda packet (899_CC_Reg_Packet_; fiscal period not recorded) (draft minutes printed in the City's agenda packet of 2020-07-08; approved with amendments by the City Council on 2020-07-08 according to the City's minutes; the approving motion: “approve the Minutes for the Regular Meeting of June 10, 2020 with the following amendments: Cn page 9, it should read 1) Organize a community of faith leaders group meeting to discuss issues, 2) Request to have Council on Tuesday nights, as most churches have services on Wednesday nights, and 3) Request another …”; the amendment is quoted from that motion and is not applied in these records)

Draft minutes, as printed in a later agenda packet

Source: 899_CC_Reg_Packet_07_08_2020.pdf, the agenda packet of the 2020-07-08 meeting; lines 459–1109 of the City's text of that file. The packet's own page footers are left out below.

Read the draft minutes

MINUTES 
City of Cocoa 
Regular Meeting of The City Council 
June 10, 2020 
 
A Regular City Council Meeting was held on Wednesday, June 10, 2020, in Cocoa City 
Hall, in City Council Chambers, located at 65 Stone Street, in Cocoa, Florida, 32922, as 
publicly noticed. 
I. Opening Matters: 
Mayor Williams called the meeting to order at 6:17 p.m. 
 
Pastor Wiley from First Baptist of Cocoa provided the invocation and Deputy Mayor 
Goins led the assembly in the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag of the United States 
of America. 
 
 The City Clerk took the roll. 
 
 PRESENT:  Jake Williams, Jr.  Mayor 
    James Goins   Deputy Mayor 
    Don Boisvert   Councilmember  
    Lorraine Koss  Councilmember  
    Brenda Warner  Councilmember 
    Anthony Garganese  City Attorney  
    Matt Fuhrer   Interim City Manager 
    Carie Shealy   City Clerk 
 
 OTHER STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT: 
 
Tammy Gemmati, Administrative Services Director; Jack Walsh, Utilities Director; 
Michael Cantaloupe, Chief of Police; Jonathan Lamm, Fire Chief; Bryant Smith, 
Public Works Director; Rebecca Bowman, Finance Director; Nancy Bunt, 
Community Services Director; LeShawn Hinton, Helpdesk Support Tech; and 
Samantha Senger, Assistant to the City Manager/PR Specialist.   
 
II. Approval Of Agenda And Minutes: 

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1. Agenda: Regular Meeting of June 10, 2020. (20-298).  
2. Minutes: (a) Budget Priorities/Fiscal Sustainability Workshop of  
        May 6, 2020. (20-297) 
    (b) Special Meeting on May 12, 2020. (20-301)  
 Councilmember Koss requested that a  Item III.3 be added under Awards and 
 Presentations so that Pastor Lively could speak about the activity center at First 
 Baptist Church of Cocoa.   
* MOTION by Councilmember Boisvert; Seconded by Councilmember Koss 
 to approve the agenda as amended for t he Regular meeting of June 10, 
 2020.  
 AYES: Williams, Goins, Boisvert, Koss, Warner 
 THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0) 
* MOTION by Councilmember Koss; Seconded by Councilmember Warner, to 
 approve the Minutes for the Budget Priorities/Fiscal Sustainab ility 
 Workshop of May 6, 2020 and the Special Meeting on May 12, 2020 as 
 written.   
 AYES: Williams, Goins, Boisvert, Koss, Warner 
 THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0) 
III. Awards and Presentations: 
 
1. Presentation by Family Promise of Brevard. (20-314). (Mayor Williams) 
 Mayor Williams announced that he brought this forward as this organization has 
 a need and he felt that Council should be made aware in the event it would come 
 back as an action item.   
 He advised that Council had received a packet with well over one hundred letters 
 of support included.   
 Ms. Tara Pagliarini with Family Promise of Brevard thanked Council for allowing 
 them to share and noted that many people were in support of what they are 
 doing.  She provided a presentation1 to Council. 
 She noted that a year ago one of their partners , Housing for Homeless , came 
 before Council and asked for use of Fire Station 1.  This council approved 
                                            
1 EXHIBIT A:  Family Promise of Brevard Presentation 

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 Habitat for Humanity to move forward at that time to utilize that building a nd it 
 was noted that they did not need an RFP.   
 She mentioned that families are the fastest growing segment of the homeless 
 population.  She further explained what family homelessness was not.   
 She provided examples of what homelessness looks like fo r families , advising 
 that many parents are working two to three jobs and still cannot afford the cost of 
 living in Cocoa.   
 Ms. Pagliarini explained the acronym ALICE which means Asset Limited, Income 
 Constrained, Employed.  ALICE workers make our qual ity of life possible yet do 
 not earn enough to support their own families.  
 The 32922 zip code received the highest score in Brevard County with 73% of 
 those under ALICE.  This shows the families with the greatest need. 
 She explained that the center focuses strongly on permanent, stable, housing 
 and that families spend the night in a congregation and then are brought back to 
 their center in the morning.  Families with fathers and ma les over twelve are 
 prioritized.  It is a collaboration with agencies in the community.  She further 
 explained the screening process for families.  
 Ms. Pagliarini strongly f eels that the vacant Firehouse #1 would be a great fit for 
 this program.   She believed that it could be repurposed as there is not a shelter 
 for families with children in Brevard County.  This is a very needed service that 
 could be provided for families in the City. 
 She explained that the location to Cocoa Village and other areas was also a 
 great benefit.   
 Ms. Pagliarini shared their request to the City which was:  
• Consider a long -term lease for the administrative portion of the 
Firehouse that would revert back to the City if they no longer wanted 
or needed the building. 
• Maintain control of the bays for use by CPD for vehicle/evidence 
storage and community collaborations. 
• Discuss potential future use of bay(s) for community classrooms, 
agency co-locations, and a potential cold night shelter for families 
with children should they become available at a later date. 
 She further pointed out that the estimated timeframe for remodeling would be 
 three months at a cost of $199,000.  This estimate does not incl ude a leak that 

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 was found or work on the electrical panel.  They have community resources who 
 can help with those.  Ms. Pagliarini showed a mock plan of the updated fire 
 station. 
 A video presentation was shown of a family who benefited from this organ ization 
 and a Cocoa resident shared her experience with Family Promise of Brevard.  
 She stated they were more than a typical homeless shelter.  
 Sheriff Wayne Ivey spoke on behalf of Family Promise of Brevard and was proud 
 to ask for support.  They  have found a good balance of both helping and aiding 
 to those who are homeless.  The picture of homelessness has changed from 
 singles to families.  He was proud to be a part of their team and thanked 
 Council for considering this.   
 Mayor Williams added that he and the Deputy Mayor go to Second Harvest Food 
 Bank to pick up food for kids and families at Cocoa High School.  He stated that 
 homelessness is a reality.   He appreciates what Family Promise of Brevard is 
 doing and asked all to stand who were in support of the program. 
 Councilmember Koss asked about churches in Cocoa who participate.  In 
 response, Ms. Pagliarini noted it was Christ Central Church and First Baptist of 
 Cocoa.  She hoped that they could recruit more churches as well.  
 Mayor Williams noted that there was a lot that could be done with the building.   
 Deputy Mayor Goins was a firm believer in teamwork makes the dreamwork and 
 they should do anything for people in need.  He was in support of this and felt 
 that anytime something could be reallocated for use it should be.  He likes that 
 the bays will still be open for use. 
 Mayor Williams asked for a consensus to bring this back as an agenda item. 
 Councilmember Warner stated that she had received calls and believes that 
 there were misunderstandings of what her presentation would be.   
 She would like Ms. Pagliarini to work with staff and the City Attorney to see what 
 they could come up with.  She hoped that their budget includes sewer and pipe 
 issues.    
 Councilmember Warner advised that she was once homeless and wished that 
 they would have been around when she needed it.   
 Councilmember Boisvert agreed with Councilmember Warner and had heard 
 about this program through his own church.  He hoped that it  could be brought 
 back to Council.   

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 Councilmember Koss hoped that they could go beyond and recruit more 
 churches in the community.  She has been impressed with them for over a year.  
 She pointed out that a letter of support was also received from Rep. Sirois.  
* CONSENSUS FOR STAFF TO COME BACK WITH AN AGENDA ITEM. 
 Mayor Williams felt that this could only add to what is in the City.  He was looking 
 forward to taking the City to the next level.    
2. Video Presentation of the vegetation removal and restoration of the North 
 Lakemont Stormwater Pond. (20-321). (Public Works Director) 
 Mr. Smith provided a background on this project and showed a video which 
 showed the process of the pond being cleaned.   
 Council members thanked Mr. Smith for his work on this and Mayor Williams 
 pointed out that it was important for the community to see where their dollars 
 were being spent.   
3. First Baptist of Cocoa. (Pastor Rich Lively) 
 Pastor Rich Lively with the First Baptist Church  of Cocoa spoke about the 
 repurposing of their activity center into a gym and advised that it was available 
 for community use.  There would be a grand opening next Wednesday night and 
 he invited Council and staff to attend and participate in a pickle -ball tournament.  
 He felt that this was a gift to the community and welcomed all.   
IV. Delegations: 
 Capt. Ed Lanni, 939 N. Indian River Drive, Cocoa, thanked the Mayor, Police and 
 Fire Chiefs, and staff for all that they did for him on his 95 th birthday, which was 
 May 11 th.  He was astounded and very appreciative of the parade and 
 recognition.  
 George Brown, 555 W. King Street , Cocoa, mentioned that he hoped the Code 
 Board would be able to meet in July, as they have not been able to for the last 
 few months.  He thought that the new Joe Lee Smith Center was beautiful and 
 asked about the grand opening.   Lastly, he asked about the railroad crossing 
 and if something could be done as it was in bad shape. 
   Interim City Manager Fuhrer advised that the new Joe Lee Smith Center would 
 be completed at the end of June and the grand opening would be in July.   

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 Mr. Smith explained the situation with the railroad tracks and mentioned that all 
 maintenance has been waived this year however, he would get in contac t with 
 them.   
 Mr. Brown further noted that the traffic lights at US 1 and SR 520 were out of 
 control.  He asked that those be looked into as well.  Mr. Smith assured him that 
 would be looked into.   
 In closing, Mr. Brown asked Council to help the Fa mily Promise of Brevard and 
 to utilize the Fire Department. 
 Aleck Greenwood, 640 Brevard Avenue, Cocoa, thanked the Fire Chief  and the  
 Chief of Police, as he had a dumpster fire and you do not realize the impact until 
 you are affected by one.  He thought the march was unbelievable and felt that it 
 was welcoming all to Cocoa.   
 Marlene Weiss, 2415 Tulane Drive, Cocoa , mentioned she was a member of the 
 Sustainability Advisory Committee.  She spoke in regards to parks b eing locked 
 and felt that it was bringing down the community. Additionally, she mentioned the 
 community garden which is underserved and send s a message of neglect.   She 
 is personally interested in volunteering.  She believed something needed to be 
 done with public spaces to make them more open to the public for use. 
 Councilmember Koss noted that she would get keys from Mr. Brotemarkle and 
 they could walk the trails together.   
 Councilmember Warner advised that with COVID residents should have access to 
 walking trails.   
V. Reports:  
 Chief Lamm provided an update on COVID -19 and pointed out that there are 
 currently 67,371 cases in Florida.  There are 484 in Brevard County with 13 
 deaths.  The City of Cocoa area has 90 cases.  He mentioned that we will 
 continue to see numbers increase as testing increases.  There will be another 
 testing site in Cocoa at Byrd Plaza on June 12 th from 10 am until 3 pm.  They are 
 partnering with Brevard Health Alliance once again.  They have been a great 
 partner and this has proven to be a great public/private partnership.    
 Mr. Walsh announced that the Water Quality Report for 2019 has been published 
 and is online only at this time.  It is due out by July 1 st. A brochure will be 
 emailed as soon as it is published to those who request it.   

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 Ms. Gemmati provided an update on the C ity Manager recruitment and 
 mentioned that there were forty -six applicants.  These are being narrowed down  
 and a short list will be provided to Council by June 22 and there will be a special 
 City Council meeting to review the lists.   
 Attorney Garganese advised that he had communicated with Council prior to the 
 meeting regarding two utility matters.  He explained the backgrounds in regards 
 to the contracts and noted that the projects were ne ver brought to final 
 completion.  At this time, it was advisable not to delay any further and to file 
 lawsuits.  He was asking Council’s approval to do this at the appropriate time 
 under the direction of the Utility Director and Interim City Manager. 
* MOTION by Councilmember Boisvert; Seconded by Councilmember Koss, 
 to authorize the City Attorney to pursue the lawsuits.   
 AYES: Williams, Goins, Boisvert, Koss, Warner 
 THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0) 
 Interim City Manager Fuhrer spoke about a poli cy related matter concerning a 
 water customer who was in the County but has built a new home and looking to 
 establish water service.  He explained the typical process for this and mentioned 
 that Brevard County has changed some of their policies and fee structures.     
 The issue is resulting in an expense that was quite high and could be in the 
 excess of $10,000.  The homeowner was not prepared for this and they now 
 have a new home with no water service.  He pointed out that the City has a 
 payment plan for those behind on water service and was requesting that staff be 
 allowed to work with the City Attorney in order to produce an agreement with the 
 customer which would also provide for some protection to the City.     
 A modified policy could be brought back in the future and staff will also meet with 
 Brevard County as they are not sure if they are aware of the impact of their 
 changes.   
* IT WAS A CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL TO ALLOW STAFF TO PROCEED 
 WITH AN AGREEMENT.   
 Interim City Manager Fuhrer thanked all of the staff involved with the First 
 Amendment March this past weekend.  He thanked the community as well and 
 mentioned that there were a lot of participants.   
 He spoke in reference to the temporary sign ordinanc e and that election signs 
 were grouped in with temporary signs.  That ordinance will be brought back to 
 Council with strikethroughs or a modification of wording altogether.   

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 Councilmember Warner thanked all of City staff who participated in Saturday’s 
 event as well. The event organizers did a fabulous job and it was nice to see so 
 many out there together.  She was very proud to be part of an event like that and 
 it gave her hope.   
 She further addressed the statement from FOP Brevard and noted that s he has 
 been asked why Cocoa was not saying more.  She was very angered by the 
 statement that was made.  This hurts the good people in law enforcement.  She 
 has been closely involved in law enforcement since she was seventeen years old 
 and has never met  one officer in the community that would have those same 
 sentiments that FOP put out there.  She knows that they do not feel the same 
 way.    
 Councilmember Warner thanked Dawn Butterfield and her staff at West Cocoa 
 Pharmacy for taking leftovers from a n event she had to the police department.  
 There was enough food to feed fifty people.   
 Lastly, she thanked Ms. Bunt for the signs for the Michael C. Blake subdivision 
 and hoped a groundbreaking would be before November. 
 Deputy Mayor Goins advised tha t there were 2,000 -3,000 people coming to 
 Cocoa for a youth football tournament at Cocoa Expo.  They are the Elite Future 
 Stars and will be here from Wednesday to Saturday. He would like for the City to 
 do something for the owner of the organization an d encourage them to come 
 back next year.  All hotels are sold out so it is good for the City.   
* IT WAS A CONSENSUS AMONG COUNCIL FOR THE DEPUTY MAYOR TO 
 WORK WIT H THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER TO DO SOMETHING FOR 
 THEM. 
 Deputy Mayor Goins thought tha t the march was amazing.  He appreciated the 
 police department for stepping up and thanked them for the Lemonade Stand.  
 He thought that Alton Edmund and Victoria Mitchn er organized this event very 
 professionally.  
 He mentioned the milling on Washington Street and wanted all to be aware that 
 when things were being done in neighborhoods like this it was unacceptable to 
 keep roads open.  He got a lot of phone calls in r egards to people hitting 
 manholes, etc.   
 Mr. Smith assured him they are working with the contractor to address that in the 
 future. 

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 Councilmember Koss announced that the owner of Stumpy’s, Angie Sullivan was 
 trying to raise money for St. Baldrick’s.  Her husband will shave her head at 8 pm 
 on Friday night.  
 She agreed with everyone and has been deeply impacted by the events over the 
 last couple of weeks and was very proud of this community.  She grew up not 
 too far from where riots started and was both shocked and horrified.  She spoke 
 in regards to racism and that it was previously looked at as a black issue but  
 now white America is realizing that it is all of our issues.   
 Councilmember Koss shared a list of five points that she would like to see come 
 to fruition in the near future:  
 1-The Police Chief has met with faith community meetings and has been 
 speaking with Pastor Bryant about some sort of truth and reconciliation.   
 2-We u sed to have council on Tuesday nights and it was moved and m ost 
 churches have services on Wednesday nights and asked if it could be 
 entertained to go back to Tuesdays. 
 3-Request another presentation on the Consent Decree. Cocoa is rich in history 
 and with the way we have progressed she believes it would be good to have 
 another presentation.   
 4-Entertain renaming Fiske Blvd. to Martin Luther King Blvd. 
. Mayor Williams stated he proposed th is when he was on council before, from 
 Barbara Jenkins north .  Letters were sent out and it was positive, however, 
 there were two residents who spoke against it who did not live in the area and it 
 did not pass. 
 5-Feels that the Police Advisory Committee needed to be re -visited, not the 
 makeup of the committee but how it reviews issues.   
 Deputy Mayor Goins asked if she could provide recommendations on what she 
 would like for the Police Advisory Committee. In response she mentioned that 
 she has been looking at what other cities are doing.   
 Councilmember Boisvert shared that he went to the testing site at Byrd Plaza and 
 was in and out in seven minutes.  He further agreed that the March on Saturday 
 was good.   
 Mayor Williams thanked all of the staff for all that they do in all depart ments.  He 
 was in support for Covid test sites and supported the march.  Other marches 

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 were done but none were like ours.  He noted the march was about equality and 
 fairness and he was very grateful for the event.  
 He is aware that staff was in the bud get process and that there was a lot 
 happening and he reiterated his thanks to staff.  People appreciate what they are 
 seeing with some of the many projects.  He is going to keep moving forward and 
 the City has a lot to offer.   
 Councilmember Warner sp oke about a problem on Pineda Street and 
 thanked Commissioner Lober for sending her an email and a guarantee that it 
 would be cleaned up by the 18th of this month.   
VI. Consent Agenda: 
 
1. Approve Participation in a Cooperative Purchase Agreement with M id Florida 
 Diesel of Bartow, Florida, to Purchase Two (2) 100KW Trailer -Mounted 
 Generators  and Associated Equipment Utilizing the Florida Sheriff Association 
 (FSA)  Cooperative Purchasing Program Contract No. FSA19 -VEH17.0 Effective 
 October 1, 2019 th rough September 30, 2020; To Approve a Resolution 
 Amending the FY20 Budget, BAF#20-069-T. (20-262). (Utilities Director) 
 
2. Approve entering into a co -operative purchase agreement with, and issuing a 
 Purchase Order to Asphalt Paving Systems, Inc. in the  amount of $266,552.32 
 for the Full Depth Reclamation (FDR) of Pineda Street from Peachtree Street 
 to Dixon Blvd. using Lee County Solicitation No. B170265/ANB, Alternative 
 Paving Methods, effective September 5, 2017 through September 4, 2020. 
 Approve a Resolution for Budgetary Contingency to authorize the City Manager 
 to approve any change orders up to 10% of the contract value in the amount of 
 $26,655.23 for any additional work, as needed. (20-275). (Public Works Director) 
3. Approve a Resolution Amending the FY20 Budget, BAF# 20-076-T, to Reallocate 
 Funds from the Streets Division, to the COVID -19 account for Contract Mowing.   
 Approve the Addendum to the Mowing Contract with U.S. Lawns, to include the 
 areas previously attended to by the Inmate Squad, and Approve the Change 
 Order  to the Original Purchase Order # 75634 not to exceed $46,410 . (20-291). 
 (Public Works Director) 
4. Approve a Resolution Amending the FY21 Budget, BAF# 20 -272-T, to cover the 
 expense of purchasing three (3) replacement servers and computer components.
 (20-310). (Chief Technology Officer) 
* MOTION by Councilmember Boisvert; Seconded by Councilmember Koss, 
 to approve the Consent agenda.   

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 AYES: Williams, Goins, Boisvert, Koss, Warner 
 THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0) 
 Deputy Mayor Goins asked if it was inappropriate for him to call US Lawns to see 
 if they could add Peachtree Gardens to the list and cut it for free since it was a 
 community project.  In response, Interim City Manager Fuhrer advised that it was 
 his understanding that Diamond Square has funds to maintain that. 
 Ms. Bunt added that they were using Code’s lawn abatement program as it was 
 the least expensive.  They should be there by this weekend to cut.   
VII. Public Hearings: 
 None. 
VIII. Council Business: 
1.  This is an Informational Agenda on the History of the Seasonal Customer Policy 
and the Unoccupied Property Policy and Owner Billing for City Council discussion. 
(20-293). (Finance Director) 
  
 Ms. Bowman provided a background  on this item and explained the history 
regarding the policy.  She pointed out that as of today the City operates under the 
Seasonal Policy where the snowbirds are still billed for base fees regardless as to 
whether or not they are occupying the home.    
 
 During a utilities workshop in 2019 it was brought up to continue billing as a 
readiness to serve on utility accounts.  That is currently on hold and staff is working 
with consultants to find out what other cities do in regards to seasonal billing.    
 
 They have found only one other agency that bills all accounts.  Other cities have 
seasonal policies but we have an inequity right now with our seasonal policy as 
customers are being charged all of the time.   
 
 Councilmember Koss asked what the base fee was  and Ms. Bowman advised it 
was around $17 for a residential connection.  Councilmember Koss felt that was a 
reasonable fee given the City was providing the infrastructure.   
  
 Councilmember Warner thought that all cities billed the base fee at all times f or 
customers.  Ms. Bowman pointed out they do it on active accounts.   
 

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 Councilmember Warner was in agreement with option #2, the unoccupied owner 
policy.   
 
* IT WAS A CONSENSUS AMONG ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GO WITH 
OPTION #2, Adopt a policy of billing of base fees at all times for all customers 
by reimplementing the Unoccupied Property Policy. 
 
2. Update on The Villas of Cocoa Village for the redevelopment of 915 Florida 
Avenue (also known as the former location of the Oaks Mobile Home Park).  (20-
299). (Community Services Director) 
 Ms. Bunt provided a background on this item along with a timeline from when the 
city acquired the property to present day.    
 She spoke in detail regarding the zoning of the property and of the history of the 
development agreement.   
 On May 15, 2020 a development review committee meeting was held and 
feedback was provided to the developer.  She explained some of the amendments 
made to the agreement.   
 Mayor Williams voiced his concerns with the project and mentio ned that he tried 
to meet with Mr. Harvey back in 2018.  The meeting never happened and he has 
had several developers ask him what was going on with the property.  He felt that 
this was ridiculous and all of this time has gone by without a signed agreement .  
Nothing was happening and he was getting frustrated.   
 Deputy Mayor Goins asked what the Mayor recommended they do as a Cou ncil.  
Mayor Williams believes that this should go back out as RFP.   
 Deputy Mayor Goins asked the City Attorney that since the RFP was approved in 
2018 and it has not been signed, would there be any legal issues if they moved 
forward with this particular developer.   
 Attorney Garganese advised that this property was owned by the City and is 
located in the redevelopment area.  The property was acquired for redevelopment 
purposes.   They would need to go under redisposition procedures under the 
Redevelopment Act which the City did.  They got as far along as to get an 
agreement but that has not been signed to date.   The City needs an agreement in 
order to move forward and redevelop this property. 
 In the absence of an agreement, the City cannot move forward or engage in 
negotiations.  If Council wants to dispose of the property they would have to go 

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through the RFP process again.  This Council may want to see something different 
in regards to that property.  Any interested party could submit proposals but those 
would have to be consistent with the RFP that goes out.  He cannot presume that 
those would be the same as in the past.    
 Mayor Williams has heard a lot of concerns regarding the other project but he still 
has concerns.  He sees other stuff in Cocoa moving and nothing is being done with 
this.   
 Councilmember Warner asked if staff should bring back a recommendation like 
they did with the hotel.   
 Councilmember Koss pointed out that the appraisal was done in the fall of 2017 
which confirms that it is three years old.  Most properties change value in a 
timeframe like that.   
 Discussion was held on the projects history and Councilmember Warner provided 
a brief background to those who were not on Council at the time the project was 
initially approved. 
 Erin T rauger, a Civil Engineer working on the pr oject noted that she was very 
involved with the project. She spoke about the concept of the project and 
discussed possible issues in terms of the design of the property.   She understood 
Council’s concerns. 
 Mayor Williams asked if a portion of the property fell within the Consent Decree. In 
response, it was pointed out that it is right outside of the Consent Decree.   
 Councilmember Warner thanked Ms. Trauger and advised that we have a civil 
engineer doing a lot of work without a development agreement.  She does not 
believe that the City’s processes are working and need to be fixed.   
 Further discussion was held on the RFP process and what the City and CRA were 
statutorily required to do. 
 It was confirmed that staff would provide a timeline to Council regarding this 
property and a reappraisal would be done.  Ms. Bunt added that they would get a 
timeline from the developer as well.  
3. Consider the Reappointment of Nancy Elliott, as a regular member of the Board of 
Adjustment, through May, 2023. (20-300). (Administrative Services Director) 
* MOTION by Councilmember Warner; Seconded by Councilmember Boisvert, 
to approve the Reappointment of Nancy Elliott, as a regular member of the 
Board of Adjustment, through May, 2023. 

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 Councilmember Koss questioned board reappointments and wanted to see more 
solicitation for boards.  She felt that there were people  interested in volunteering 
and believed that were not getting the chance.   
 It was agreed that the City Clerk’s office could post reappointments on social media 
at least thirty days in advance when reappointments come up.   
Vacancies are already posted. 
 AYES: Williams, Goins, Boisvert, Koss, Warner 
 THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0) 
4. Consider the Reappointment of George Brown, as a regular member of the Code 
Enforcement Board, through May, 2023.  (20-307). (Administrative Services 
Director) 
* MOTION by Councilmember Boisvert; Seconded by Councilmember Warner, 
to approve the Reappointment of George Brown, as a regular member of the 
Code Enforcement Board, through May, 2023. 
 AYES: Williams, Goins, Boisvert, Koss, Warner 
 THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0) 
 Mr. Brown mentioned that if he makes the end of this term he will have been on 
this board for forty years and he has never missed a meeting.  There are good 
members on this board and they have never had to call a meeting due to lack of 
quorum.   He will be eighty years old when he hits his forty years.  
5. Consider the appointment of the (2) of following interested Cocoa residents as the 
Primary and Alternate member of the Space Coast TPO Citizen Advisory 
Committee (CAC): Stephanie Moretto, Sarah Conkling, or Gregg Stoll . (20-308). 
(Administrative Services Director) 
 Councilmember Warner stated that she knows two of the three applicants, Ms. 
Moretto and Ms. Conkling.  Mr. Stoll has been in the Citizens Academy.    
 Councilmember Koss mentioned that Mr. Stoll  was looking for a way to get 
involved and Ms. Conkling is an advocate for SCAT.    
* MOTION by Councilmember Koss; Seconded by Deputy Mayor Goins, to 
appoint Mr. Greg Stoll as the Primary member and Ms. Sarah Ann Conkling 
as the Alternate member for the S pace Coast TPO Citizen Advisory 
Committee (CAC).   

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 AYES: Williams, Goins, Boisvert, Koss, Warner 
 THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0) 
6. Consider the Reappointment of Thomas Yardley, as a regular member of the US1 
CRA, through the sunset date of the agency which will be on or before September 
30, 2020. (20-309). (Administrative Services Director) 
* MOTION by Councilmember Warner;  Seconded by  Councilmember 
 Boisvert, to approve the Reappointment of Thomas Yardley, as a regular 
 member of the US1 CRA, through the sunset date of the agency which 
 will be on or before September 30, 2020. 
 AYES: Williams, Goins, Boisvert, Koss, Warner 
 THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0) 
7. Seek Council direction on holding public and private events at City facilities after 
June 30, 2020. (20-311). (Asst. to the City Manager/Public Relations Specialist) 
 Ms. Senger mentioned that these events have been on hold due to Covid-19.  This 
item was written before the last announcement of the governor and since then we 
have moved into phase 2.   
 Mayor Williams asked how the City could hold those accountable for events. In 
response, Interim City Manager Fuhrer advised that staff could ask for a plan.    
 Ms. Senger noted there are events in the park or in the Village and there are private 
events as well.    
 Councilmember Boisvert felt that they should hold off until August due to  cases 
rising.   
 Councilmember Warner did not feel it would be any better in August and thought 
maybe we could open for private events and have an agreement to make sure 
guidelines are followed and would dissolve the City from any responsibility.   
 Attorney Garganese advised a Covid-19 Hold Harmless for facility use be done for 
private events.   It would be a challenge for public events to get waivers and 
agreements signed by all participants.   
 Mayor Williams agreed with the City Attorney and as long as  they follow CDC 
requirements and guidelines.   
 Chief Lamm also agreed and having this addendum would help.  Public events 
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monitor the events.  Numbers seem to be changing we ek to week but they will 
work with whatever Council wishes to do.  He reiterated that it would be very hard 
to get consent forms signed by all attendees.   
 Discussion was held on what type of events were planned to date, insurance 
requirements, and the Covid-19 Hold Harmless.  It was further mentioned it would 
be good to post notices on the facilities as well.  
 Councilmember Warner had no objection with private events if the City follows the 
City Attorney and Fire Chief’s recommendation.   
 It was determined to allow private events providing guidelines are followed 
and at the next meeting a list of events would be brought back that are 
scheduled along with a plan on how we can host these as safely as possible.   
 Ms. Kirkpatrick advised that for Sip and Stroll they were scattering check in times 
and locations so they would not all be in one place at the same time.   
 Deputy Mayor Goins asked about sports training.  Ms. Senger said gatherings of 
fifty or less should be fine.  
IX. City Business: 
1.  Approve the Participation in the FPL Evolution Charging Station Program and 
authorize the Interim City Manager to execute the associated Agreement. (20-
269). (Public Works Director) 
* MOTION by Mayor Williams; Seconded by Councilmember Boisvert, to 
approve the item.   
 AYES: Williams, Goins, Boisvert, Koss, Warner 
 THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0) 
2. Approve a Budget Transfer from General Fund Contingency (001 -1600-513-39-
00) to the Community Services Contract Services Account (001 -3200-515-34-00) 
in the amount of $52,000 for third party Building Official, Commercial Inspector, 
and Flood Plain Review services through the remainder of Fiscal Year 2020.  
Approve a Budget Resolution amending the Fiscal Year 2020 Budget, BAF# 20 -
073-T.  Authorize the Interim  City Manager to approve a Change Order to 
Purchase Order 75956 in the amount of $52,000. (20-302). (Community Services 
Director) 
* MOTION by Councilmember Boisvert; Seconded by Councilmember Koss, 
to approve the item.   

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 AYES: Williams, Goins, Boisvert, Koss, Warner 
 THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0) 
3. Approve an Interlocal Agreement with Brevard County for CARES Act funding and 
authorize the City Manager to submit authorized expenditures for reimbursement 
under the federal guidance established by the U.S Department of the Treasury.  
(20-331). (Interim City Manager) 
* MOTION by Councilmember Boisvert; Seconded by Councilmember Koss, 
to approve the item.   
 AYES: Williams, Goins, Boisvert, Koss, Warner 
 THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0) 
 Multi-Year Contracts: 
 
X. Iinformational Agenda: 
 
 None. 
 
XI.  Adjournment: 
 
 Mayor Williams noted that the Indian River Queen was holding an event on the 
 4th of July and were looking for sponsors.  Ms. Senger spoke in regards to this 
 and mentioned some issues that could be involved with July 4th.  She has spoken 
 with them and discussed possibly incorporating an event into the opening of the 
 T-Docks and Day Slips.   
* MOTION by Councilmember Boisvert; Seconded by Councilmember Koss, 
 to adjourn the Regular meeting of June 10, 2020.   
 AYES: Williams, Goins, Boisvert, Koss, Warner 
 THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0) 
 The meeting adjourned at 9:48 p.m. 
 
 
         
 

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        __________________________ 
        Jake Williams, Jr., Mayor 
 
 
 ATTEST: 
 
 
 __________________________ 
 Carie Shealy, MMC, City Clerk

Agenda (the City's wording)

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The time is about 617, location 65 Stone Street, Cocoa, Florida, 32922. We're going to have

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Okay, and then we're going

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then we're followed by our roll call. So if I could please have everyone stand.

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Let's pray together. Father God, we thank you for this privilege to be here tonight. We thank you for our leaders that are here before us. Thank you for the time and effort they put into making this a great place to live, to raise our family, and to do business. Thank you in these days of so much uncertainty with everything going on in our nation. We thank you we can come here united tonight. United because we want to have this community be a wonderful place for us to live and ‸ to work and to be an example to many other communities here in Florida and indeed our nation. So thank you for our leaders here, for our police chief, for our sheriff, attorneys, our mayor, all the others on the council. We thank you for them. We pray you'll continue to give them your wisdom and your guidance as we continue to determine the best way to honor you and honor this nation. We pray for our nation. We continue to pray for healing. We continue to pray for you to give wisdom to all of our leaders, local, statewide, and national. And we commit this time to you. Help us to respect one another, respect this office, and respect this place. And always with love, consider others better than ourselves as we serve one another in this community. We ask all this in your name.

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Amen. Amen.

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please.

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pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the

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One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Roll call, please.

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Mayor Williams. Here. Deputy Mayor Goins. Here.

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Here. Councilmember Warner. Here. City Attorney Garganese. Here.

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Thank you, ma'am. Okay, we can move on to item number two, approval of our agenda.

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minutes. Motion to approve.

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I'd like to make an addition. Okay. Okay, so we would add on

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three, we will add

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Pastor Lively will speak, give a brief presentation on their activity center.

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So I believe that would be the third item.

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Okay.

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And Don, if you'll amend your motion to approve.

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I make a motion to accept the

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All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Passage unanimously. We're going to move on to our minutes from our aid of budget priorities and size fiscal sustainability workshop of

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And

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special meeting of May 12, 2020. What

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the wishes of the council?

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Motion to approve both sets of minutes. Second.

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All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? It passes unanimously. Okay, we're

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to move on to awards and presentation. And up first, we have a

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I brought this forward after having a meeting with them and they had a need and we have a need. And I think it's just like for this presentation to come before the council so they can see this and then we can move forward with having them put on the agenda possibly, and ‸ in terms of kind of agreement, if that's the wishes of this council. So I can have you all come up ‸ and give your presentation.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Yeah. And you

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all probably have in your packets. There's

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So I want to thank you for the opportunity,

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I know it doesn't look like it, but I did ask for just a handful to

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The hope was that the letters would come in. But so many people are passionate about what we do and what we've been doing for the past seven years that I'm

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And we are all here, and I hope that ‸ we're safe and well here together following social distancing.

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and it probably took you by surprise, and you wondered what it was about. And even though it did take you by surprise, I got great response that this council was very responsive, took the time to hear from constituents and to understand a little bit more about why they were calling. So I just wanted to say thank you for that. A year ago, almost exactly, one of our housing partners,

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and asked for the use of Fire

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And because that building was acquired before the development of the CRA, this council actually, with the advice of the city attorney at the time, had said that it did not need to go before an RFP. And so this council actually approved Habitat for Humanity to move forward to bring jobs and resources to the

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And so I come here before you representing Family Promise of Brevard and the thousands of supporters and families in Brevard County to ask that you humbly consider Family Promise moving into the old fire station to bring much needed services and housing stability to the families of Coco. This slide is not going to come as a surprise to anyone on this council and many ‸ in this council chambers, because you're very well versed on the

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and what families are experiencing. But what you may not know is that families are the fastest growing segment of the homeless population. And there are a lot of misperceptions and myths about family homelessness. So I really wanted to start tonight by talking about what family homelessness is not. Family homelessness is not the person on the corner of US-1 and 520. In fact, the families experiencing homelessness are shopping next to you in the grocery store. They're checking you out in line at Wawa. Their kids are going to school next to your children or at summer camp with them. In fact, they were next to my children at my school at Manatee Elementary. They are hidden but in plain sight. That is what family homelessness is. Families, once they lose housing, are living in hotels and motels. They're doubled up with others. They're living in tents in people's backyards and in campgrounds and in any place that they can keep their family together. That is what family homelessness is. These are families who are working two and three jobs and still not able to afford the cost of housing in Brevard or in the city of Cocoa. So if you look at this slide, you can see why this need is so great. Here we have families who are extremely

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And we know that for every 10 extremely low-income households, there are really only three available for them to move into. So where are families to go?

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because we talk a lot about homelessness, one of those statistics that is often overlooked is what's called ALICE. These are our working poor. These are asset-limited, income-constrained but employed households that they earn more than the federal poverty level, but not enough to survive for a family with health care, food, transportation to meet their basic needs.

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are our early educators.

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a valuable service to our community, but they can't take care of their own families.

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has the highest percentage of families below the ALICE threshold. And that translates to 4,325 families in 2018 before COVID-19.

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data and working with 2-1-1, we estimate that this

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and that the city of Cocoa alone is going to see over 8,000 families facing housing instability, ‸ either losing it or at risk of losing it. This is a snapshot of 32922. Again, this is the highest score in Brevard County at 73%. It includes Cocoa Fire Station east of the Water Tower and the entire area of Diamond Square. And assisting these families would be best done within the area of need. ‸ The point of this slide is that the families with the greatest need are in 32922, right where the fire station lives.

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Housing instability and homelessness for families exist now, and we don't operate out of that zip code.

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happen is that we are going to decrease family homelessness for the city of Cocoa.

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homelessness study back in 2016

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costs. And as you can see, with 73% of those in need in Brevard

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executive director of Family Promise of Brevard. This is the impact on the

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This is why Family Promise of Brevard wants to

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So what is our mission? Well, it's a big, fat, hairy mission to end family homelessness. How is that possible? What I can tell you is, you know, I laid out what family homelessness is not. What's important in understanding who we are is to understand first who we are not, because there's a lot of misunderstandings, too. We are not a walk-up shelter. We are not a sharing center. We are not a feeding center. We are not a thrift store. We are not a religious organization. We are a 501c3 nonprofit. Families do not spend the night at our building, our resource center. One of our core missions is to use existing resources within the community to end family homelessness. Families spend the night at congregations, which are places of worship, all throughout Brevard County, as south as Palm Bay,

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right here in Historic Cocoa at First Baptist Cocoa. We have over 30 congregations. We have over 900 volunteers. Families spend the night at congregations where they have a safe place to stay, three nutritious meals a day. And then our staff, when they come back

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which is where we're located right now, they receive case management and individual attention on their plan to return to housing as quickly as possible. And they do it in an average

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and we will always use existing resources. That's why instead of looking to build a building, we want to repurpose an existing location in the area of greatest need. So when we launched in 2013, we opened our first program, our shelter program, and we knew that that shelter program could not just be shelter, or we would be doing a huge disservice to all of our community who have been donating their resources, their time, their funds.

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again. So our focus is on financial literacy, health and wellness, transitional housing, mentoring, child care, rental assistance, homeless prevention, and micro-entrepreneurship.

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of service, our prevention, our shelter, and stabilization. And our prevention and stabilization services happen through case management, and they're more easily understood. But our shelter program is the most misunderstood program, and so I just really want to spend a couple minutes making sure that this council and those who are in the audience who may not fully understand what we do have a better understanding. Again, we did not build a brick-and-mortar shelter building. We went to our community and said, we have a rising number of families experiencing homelessness. In fact,

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County, and Matt, Susan is here and can certainly speak to that better than I. But the issue here is that we needed to come up with a program that would engage the community to solve its own issues. So that's why

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at a time up to four times a year. And your volunteers spend the night with families who are in our program. So instead of spending money on staff, we can put money towards our services that help that family move into stable housing. Everything about what we do is about permanent, stable housing. Our resource center that we have now, and the resource center as it hopefully will become in the firehouse, is a hub of services.

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Families spend the night at the congregations, and then they're brought back to the resource center in the morning. Kids go off to school their daycare. Parents go off to work, work their PACE plan, do housing searches.

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months, and then they're into stable housing.

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elsewhere in the county through existing programs. We partner with them. They make referrals to us.

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When we get a mom that we think will be a good fit for them, we refer to them. It's a collaboration of agencies here in this community, and I can't stress that enough. We do not do this alone. We're part of the bigger picture. After families are pre-screened by 2-1-1, we do further pre-screening. We do background checks. We do drug screens, not to rule a family out, but to make sure that we're making a good decision.

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beloved grandmas and grandpas. We don't want anything to happen to them. They're donating their time. We want them to be safe. We want the other families in the program to be safe. We want our community to be safe, and we want our staff to be safe. So

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a family that we thought would be a safety risk to anybody that is engaged in our programming. So here's our impact 2013 to present. So City of Rockledge, when we launched in 2013, had reservations. They worried about a program for homelessness coming to their community. You might have seen signs along Morrell Road that said, no homeless shelter here. ‸ No homeless shelter here. If they had not said yes to us, these things would never have happened. Never. Because they took a chance and a leap of faith. And in that time, we've prevented and diverted over 2,500 families with children from homelessness. We've engaged nearly 1,000 volunteers and over 30 congregations. Collaborated with 100 local partners, many here tonight.

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Forest Bank, National Association of Realtors.

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through shelter move into stable housing. Then,

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Look at those bed nights. Those are donated bed nights by our congregations. And the meals that our volunteers served. And because we offer financial assistance that's not tied to federal funds, we use community donations to help families with first and last month's rent and security deposits.

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We want

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This would be the day location for our shelter program. If you come to our resource center now, and I invite each one of you to come out there, you won't find families. It's because families are out working.

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The kids are at school and daycare. That's who we're working with.

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Firehouse Station 1, you wouldn't see families there either. They'd be doing the same. But it's a meeting place for all three of our programs. It's a meeting space for community collaborations. It's a place, if you can think of a firehouse, think about what the firefighters were there for.

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shower there. They have fellowship there. They store their belongings there. They eat there. What better place than a firehouse to repurpose for this use? I mean, imagine

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We can then further look at how can we engage City of Cocoa now that we're there? How can we have them come in and have weekly classes for the community? How can we bring other agencies maybe under the same roof to work together in a more collaborative way? And potentially, if the bays ever became on the block that we could take a look at for the fire trucks,

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County. There isn't one. So when the temperature drops below 45, and those families that I talked about that are living in their cars, living in hotels, living in tents, they're cold. There aren't resources for them. ‸ We're experts in this. We could help provide a needed, very needed service for the City of Cocoa. How will the community benefit? 70% of the families we serve don't have transportation. Remember, they're coming from Cocoa. 73% of the families have ‸ housing instability. So

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Our families, when they're in our shelter program, we want them to do things as a family and get stronger. So stronger families, stronger communities. They can walk to the library from that location. They can walk to downtown Cocoa Village from that. Guess what?

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So if they're in our program, they have access to free activities that are actually strengthening them as a family. There's the splash park. There's the park. They can play together and be together as a family.

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Again, it's expanding opportunities for community.

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‸ We just need a space. Maybe we can collaborate in some way with Eastern Florida State College and bring those services into the firehouse on a regular basis. We've had those kinds of conversations. So I'm asking today, City of Cocoa, please consider a long-term lease for the administrative portion only of the firehouse that would revert back to the city if we no longer wanted or needed the building.

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their vehicles and evidence storage and community collaborations that I know that are happening in there and are very vital to the City of Cocoa. And then I just want that opportunity to continue to discuss the potential future use of the bays should those become on the block at some point for discussion. In return, we would fund the necessary renovations to operate out of the administration portion of the firehouse. We have, as you can see, a lot of existing community partnerships that can make that happen. We would be responsible for the maintenance and upkeep of the property like we've done for the past seven years in our current space. We'd work closely with the City of Cocoa to address unmet community needs and report our impact of use of space on a regular basis to leverage more funding to the City of Cocoa for its families.

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Location would not be a walk-in center.

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We're not publishing. We're not trying to get families to walk into the center. We don't want to duplicate what's already out there. And we would continue to prioritize families that could not be served elsewhere in the city or county. Why should you lease to us? Two-thirds of the families we serve are from the central area.

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poverty level.

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of those callers were directly referred to Family Promise of Brevard. We have a seven-year history of making structural improvements to our existing resource center

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interior, exterior paint through

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new appliances through multiple entities,

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supplies. Every day we come in, there's supplies on the back porch, including today.

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So if a donated building comes to us, that helps us leverage more dollars from our community because they see that we're using existing community space and that dollars go to services, not to meals, not to overnight staffing, not to pay for rent, not to pay for space. What does that time frame look like? Well, we are in our current location at Grace Life Church until March 2021. The estimated time of the remodel of the fire station is three months, and our estimated cost of the remodel is $199,000. That does not include the roof leak. There's like a leak in the roof right now, and it does not include an electrical panel that we believe needs to be replaced. And it's our understanding that those would total less than $20,000, but those aren't included in our budget that I submitted.

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and you see them listed here. Here's the firehouse. It looks very much like the firehouse now. No bays are being touched. In fact, we have a structure to keep families from going into the bays. But you'll see that we need to widen the halls to make them ADA compliant and to create safe spaces for showering.

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can't, unlike the firefighters, we can't have everyone showering together. We need to make sure we provide safety for him.

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It was built in 1973, so I don't know. You can see that we're trying to create safe space for our families to shower. They can protect their families, that we don't have any things come up where families don't feel safe. So as you can see, we've added another bathroom, and we've just separated the shower and the toilets. We've created more office space for collaboration. You can see that the kitchen is now a really busy room for families to be together, to eat, to work on the computer, to have fun together as a family. That back room where there was storage is more of a downtime place.

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And that's the firehouse. And it's exactly how it stands now. There's just a few key things that need to happen to make it operational for us. I've talked really fast and hard, and it's because I'm very passionate about this organization.

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And if there's folks that have misperceptions about homelessness, I may not have changed them, their perceptions tonight, but I hope that maybe a couple of our families will. So I have a video, but I have one of our families came here tonight to talk about her experiences. So I hope this council will graciously accept both of those stories. So we'll

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start the video. ‸ There it is.

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And I'm happy to answer any questions that this council might have about who we are, what we do.

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When I see homelessness, when I think of it, I never thought I would be homeless. And it can happen to anybody. And I tell a lot of people, you know, I said, one day I was your neighbor. I was the typical, you know, going to work, good job, and seemed like everything. You know, on top of the world, the next day I was there, the person who needed help. In 2011, I was laid off, you know, at the end of the space shuttle program.

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my son, you know, his dad lives in the area. So I was trying to stay here in the area, you

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instead of moving away.

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a place to stay. And

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‸ It actually was a hand up and not a hand out. They provide all the resources to help you get back on your feet. But you actually have to do the work to be able to be successful in the program. Right now, we own our own home. Really, God blessed us. The home, what we thought, seemed like we gave up so much, but we gained so much more.

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Anything you can do, donations, volunteering your time, hosting, the food you provide, anything that you can do is a worthwhile organization.

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together now if it had not been for Family Promise of Brevard. Family Promise of Brevard is a lifesaver. A lifesaver.

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Good evening. Good

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evening.

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I also went through the Family Promise program. I'm also currently a Coco resident. ‸ In the couple years that I've been a Coco resident, one thing that I've noticed is

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Coco also has a great understanding of the needs and obstacles facing the city's residents. For that reason, Family Promise would be a natural addition.

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times,

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and Victims Advocate, I was able to get in contact with Family Promise. Not only did they provide food and shelter to my family, but they took the time to educate me on how to start over. They provided an in-depth counseling and helped me navigate through some of my toughest moments. It was more than a typical homeless shelter. It was a training course on how to progress in life. It's not easy, and it was filled with a lot of challenges, tears, and anger, and a lot of battling my own ego. But

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positive changes, and I wouldn't trade that experience for anything in the world. So please welcome my family to this beautifully diverse city with open arms as they have me and the many other families that have come before me and will come after me.

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today, you know, just it's just stand up and maybe mention where you're from and let us see

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approve my budget and

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up here and support this incredible organization I've had a chance to work with them through the years and they do some amazing things for this community I think one of the things they've done best is

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those that are homeless to find transitional housing, to find a way to get back on their feet, to get back to the life that they all want and all deserve and so they've done a great job at working with us and I think a lot of us as we as we go through our lives, the picture of what is homeless has changed. It has gone from being a single individual that is homeless to families that are homeless, families that were once up on their feet, lost their home, lost their jobs, whatever whatever may have led them to that that point. They're sleeping in their cars. They're educating their children

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at the camps. They're doing everything they can. And Family Promise of Brevard brings that extra step to them it brings that not only that that ability to say, we're here, we're here to help those in a time of need, but also we're here to help you be able to get back to the life you said you so richly deserve and I I'm proud to be a part of their their team I have had a chance to do some videos with Tara and

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and the

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so we We've collaborated on a number of different things, and the presentation she just made I think truly points out the abilities of this team and the abilities for them to partner with you and to make a different difference in those lives. So thank you for allowing me to speak today and thank you for considering this I think it goes a long way to help this part of our community thank

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to add I know that the deputy mayor started working with them

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I guess on Wednesdays to pick up fresh produce and and food for

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because he has a job and I'm retired and so just prior to this

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of food or just loading up,

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were homeless. They were actually they were living in their cars and parks or at shopping centers and that was it it was a reality and I'm so grateful that he pulled me into that I know I thought it was gonna be like a couple of week deal but it ended up being months

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that was involved in that. So we're looking forward to continuing that once we get things going again and once the schools back up and running but I appreciate everything you all are doing and if I can please everyone that's here in support of this I know we got tons of emails and letters I'd like for you to stand up and and let us see who you are and and but I mean this right here I mean this says it all and with all this stuff that we have and then what we've seen I know there was a lot of misinformation that was sent out there with reference to this particular item, this presentation and and I'm glad I'm glad that hopefully we've squashed some of those rumors that was out there and what ‸ Family Promise was all about. And the great program I appreciate you all I thank you for coming

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‸ Tara about we also have its first Baptist and we have Christ Central in Coco the churches that participate in the program

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have pastor rich lively and pastor Don Adkins with Christ Central I don't know if you want to hear from them they've actually hosted families in their congregations in Coco so they can speak to their experiences if you're interested in hearing any more about that I know you have a agenda but

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that and hoping that we'll be able to recruit more churches as well to support. Yeah,

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there's 500 congregations in

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including a temple. So we have our first synagogue. So we are a multi-faith or interfaith hospitality network of congregations.

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we believe in helping families and we want them to help themselves

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‸ and I just

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time has been put on the chopping block to be demolished. And

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‸ that. demolished that and and I saw a need for it man and it's like I didn't want to see it go because we have so much stuff going on there. There's so many families out there that need help. and and I was so

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Tara and her organization and the folks there man I was just like man it has to happen so

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‸ and I believe we should do anything for people who are in need I've been in plenty situation myself when I had you know a lot of money in the bank and I have other

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where my bank account was buzzing at me when I bought a little small cup of coffee so I understand about life is up and down so

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Church when it was another church a long time ago ‸ I'm

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but I'm in support of it not not if anytime we can reallocate something that could be something as positive as this I think we

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but I think those particular people of which I respect their opinion I think they thought it was going to be the complete building so I'm glad you put that in your ‸ powerpoint to discuss it was only the administrative side and not the

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So we still can use our base for the

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that we need, but but but

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so I'm in support of it so just I think are we looking for ‸ consensus to bring it back back? Is that the plan today?

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because

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Okay.

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and

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‸ I'm in support ‸ I'm in support of it

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and okay councilwoman ‸ Warner

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I also got some calls from some people who probably had a misunderstanding of of what Tara's request was going to be and because I did not have her presentation at the time I was not able to do anything other than to tell them ‸ to watch the presentation and contact me later if they had any issues so I would like to have maybe a consensus from the council to let Tara work with the staff and the attorney and see what they can come up with and what recommendation the staff has I know there's probably some other things that need to be considered about the building I I too would like to see the building off of Gary's list of demos

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but since the day Jonathan moved out of it he's been trying to tear it down for one reason or another and hopefully Tara said her budget did not address the roof and some other but hopefully your budget does include the sewer issues,

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that are going on over there. that They did at least fill you in on that and give you a heads up on that because that seemed to be Gary's main reason for wanting to tear it down so yeah I would like to go ahead and let staff and

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for the city as well as them something I have never shared with anybody since I've been in Cocoa is

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so I understand and I really wish Family Promise had been here when I

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set how

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I go to our Savior and

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about that how stabilizes the the things that they do for it and I was really impressed and that's where I first heard about the program and then

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that parish, to discuss it on the phone with her the other night. So, you know, it's quite a good program and I'm really glad and I'm hoping that we can like Brenda said bring it back to Council with the attorney advice and all that and work with

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I mean I've been impressed with the program since it was like a year ago when you first presented to us right when I invited you and I hope that we can go beyond just being a host to your administrative building and really try to recruit our own community we have 60 churches and we could do better I think

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got a letter of

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that and

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right now and then come back as an agenda item.

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Yeah, we'll reach out to the organization, sit down, discuss what their needs are, and and bring back an agreement for you all to consider.

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Thank you,

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city and I'm just so happy because our city has so much ‸ offer that we haven't capitalized on I think and and this is just one of those another one of those things that I think is going to enhance our city moving forward and and I'm just looking forward to us taking our city to the next level and and making it a place that everyone would like to live in, a city that everyone would like to live and reside in so thank you for coming thank you everyone for coming out and I give you all the opportunity to leave if you want to before we get started if you don't want to.

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‸ Well, darn, they could the next this they should have stayed for the next ‸ Yeah,

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it's gonna ‸ be a nice presentation coming next. thank you

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thank you

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oh yeah thank

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you

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you. hey

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‸ We're still, you know we're

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on the air, right? We're still alive,

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Thank

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you for coming out.

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gonna ‸ be a video presentation of the vegetation removal and restoration of the North Lakemont stormwater pond this is right here this is incredible but anyway go ahead I'm not gonna stir your thunder

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real brief background ‸ of how we got to where we are with this project

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private property that we became aware of our stormwater system drains into it Unfortunately, we had no way to maintain it. We didn't have rights to it. We worked through code enforcement to work through the abatement process and got a contractor on board to clear the vegetation when I first came on board I would have thought it was a dry pond or just a field And you'll see the results. It ended up being a pretty nice lake. It's an amenity to the community and the middle of it's close to 12 feet deep. we removed about 560 cubic yards of vegetation so to give you an idea that's around 110,000 gallons that was previously not available for stormwater. So here's, it's only a

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called me about the project and ‸ and uh because she was out taking a look at it, I rushed out there and then i think she was leaving or I think she was leaving when I got there. And uh

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were so happy. I ‸ mean, they were sitting in the backyard and just some of

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sitting in chairs, just in amazement at all these years. They just thought there was nothing back there, man. And that's kudos to Public Works and everyone that was involved, man. I mean, Horseshoe Pond is just, it's beautiful. I mean, that just increased their property values, you know. and uh You know um

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I'm sure there's something in there.

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‸ I'm sure there were a few.

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just going to say the same thing. In fact,

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She was saying, this is why I moved here to begin with

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When I was campaigning through there was when I became aware of the issue. And thank you for making the dream come true. It makes everything I go through up here okay.

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Absolutely. And our next goal for that is to actually acquire the property and then we'll be providing routine maintenance as well.

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to have this fixed?

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So just based on the vegetation removed, um the cubic yardage was around 560 cubic yards and that equates to about 110 000 gallons. ‸ So ideally you'd have more capacity without that vegetation in there. You also let the water actually flow into it and be treated more. Right now the whole thing's pretty much choked out or was choked out with all the vegetation. So it improved water quality, the ecosystem, storage. it's

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So it definitely increased our ability to manage stormwater up in that area

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that could have been one of the reasons and it would hopefully reduce that.

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Great. And then the ponds that are close to that that go over by Harvard, we've been using the floating wetlands.

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That's correct. And

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so all the algae crusted is gone. Yeah,

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the floating wetlands will absorb some of the nutrients. They'll grow and then we'll harvest those for credit through the BMAP.

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come back. I don't

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Yeah. Okay.

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Thank you, Brian.

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Mr. Mayor, I just want to add in there that

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and I believe it was uh contemplated to be 80 000 to do that. What was the actual cost of that, Brian?

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The total project ended up being 14 000

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Wow. That's crazy. Yeah, it's a big difference. And so that that allowed, uh you know, the the stormwater fund to not only achieve that project, but then carry those dollars forward into other projects this year. so That's correct. And that's

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what's so important is just the community seeing where some of the dollars are going and seeing things happening, and there's so much happening throughout the city, and I'm so happy. I'm so glad to be a part of it. so But I thank you and everyone involved, and uh we appreciate you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. okay We're gonna ‸ move on to item number three.

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How are you doing? I'm great. I feel like what I'm about to present is quite frivolous compared to what's already been presented, but nonetheless, I'm here to just uh I sent letters to all the council, council people and mayor this past week. um

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when I was supposed to be

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of course it rained all day long. I went back home with nothing to do, sit there sulking because I couldn't play sports that day and have a picnic or a cookout like we all wanted to do on Memorial Day. And i'd been wanting to do an experiment up at my church in our activity center to see if the carpet there would host and it would be a good surface for balls to bounce, to turn it back into a gym, which was what it was purposed for a long time ago. So

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wall for a few minutes and said, this is great. Went home, got my

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said, we're gonna ‸ go build a pickleball court. Moved the dining room tables out of the way,

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We've

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it's meant to be, and we also still have a cafe.

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We have three pickleball courts. Just this week alone, it's been filled every day of people because as soon as I put it out on Facebook and put the address, people never knew there was a gym in

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Village. And we have one, and I'm here just to say we are presenting it to the village and the community to be used by y'all. but You don't need to

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Church

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on the Circle,

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of being in this area this week. And we want ‸ as a gift to the community, to say this activity center is for

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at the beginning, right, when they broke ground. So, but uh anyway, we want it to be used by the community. We don't want to just be for church members. This is for our community to use. um I've already, um next Wednesday night is our grand opening. Right now is a soft opening. So next Wednesday evening, we're going to have a meal and a little pickleball tournament on Wednesday night. And then every Wednesday night all summer, we're providing a meal for the community. If you want to come and learn how to play the game or just eat and leave or play ping pong in the corner or cornhole, I'd love to open it up. Let's say all of you guys on the council want to have a family night for your families to have a nice place to go play something and have a meal.

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restaurants and makes amazing meals.

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over here can have a police against the firefighters dodgeball tournament or something. Awesome.

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just wanting to open it to the community.

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and we want you to come use it. We'll have regular hours every day, several evenings. If you're like, what in the world is pickleball? It is the fastest growing sport in America right now. And it's one of those sports that as you get a little older ‸ your joints don't work quite as well and you used to be really good at racquetball or tennis, pickleball is the next level. And you can play it. And the nice thing about our about our facility is it's a carpet floor, thin carpet tiles. Everybody who's come there to play has come away saying, my joints feel so much better. My knees don't hurt. My back doesn't hurt. The number one player in America under 20 from

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He's so good. He doesn't even play guys his age. He plays professionals, adults. He's in this area. He and I just played yesterday. I'm his regular workout partner. He's

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the best player in the country. And he comes in place on the carpet and says, I love it here. So the nice thing is on these days where it's 90 degrees and

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we are climate controlled, 75 degrees. And it's beautiful in there. No sun, no wind. And you can enjoy it. So come on your lunch break. If you want to learn how to play this game, I have a professional and staff there. She comes and gives lessons. I have my professional

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also in golf and tennis. And I'm pretty decent at pickleball. I can help you learn the game. uh We had people in there today that are in their 70s, 60s, 50s, and 40s all playing together. It's a very social game. People love it. You're invited. Come use our facility. uh Reserve it on

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we'd love to have an event there. We want you to use it. that's We want to be a part of this community. We want to not just be the church at the end of the circle. We want to be the church of the village that's here to bless all of y'all. So that's what it's for. And hopefully next Wednesday night, you're all invited. Come out. Maybe Chief William, I mean,

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first two ceremonial shots across the net and try not to fall over, okay? But if you need a lesson before then, like

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they'll come down and give you a lesson,

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That pickleball is fun. I live in a retirement community, and i can say, people in their 70s, you know, they play every day. there's Every day they're playing. ‸ a dozen people out there every morning at 7 30 8 o'clock. Over

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9 million people in America have picked this game up now, and it's growing exponentially. Here in Florida, we're one of the greatest states for it. um There's a new complex open up at Daytona Beach. The biggest complex is down in naples unfortunately i was going to play in the u.s open a few months ago but covid put the kibosh on that They have over 60 courts at that place just in Naples. That's why it's grown so big. Villages ‸ like

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that.

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Villages has hundreds of courts. They're huge. So we have three courts indoors, climate controlled year-round. uh I know the guy who holds the key to the place. If you want to play at midnight, I'll meet you. there I'll play at midnight up there if it's when you get off. but It's for you. uh We're going to be giving lessons on Wednesdays, clinics, and lessons on Wednesday mornings if you want to learn how to play this great game. What time? uh 9 to 11 on Wednesday mornings. I posted all this stuff on Facebook.

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we're going to have flyers. uh We're going to be going around the neighborhood. I'm going to be going out to all the merchants up and down

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and saying, Hey, when you get off work ‸ you're just tired of being around, you want to get some exercise, walk down the street and we'll teach you pickleball. Again, uh we'll also move the pickleball courts out of the way if you want to have a dodgeball tournament or volleyball. or

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it's so If people who don't want to get too overheated, you can walk the outside. and We'll figure out that

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This is our gift

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the community. We want our church to not just be for us, but for all of y'all so You're welcome there. Just wanted you to know that. Thank you so much. ‸ All

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right,

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when next Wednesday night, you guys are on. Yeah. ‸ And Captain Ed, I challenge you to a game of pickleball. How's that? I think I can play with Captain Ed.

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he probably would He

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probably would.

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and then first up, we have Captain Ed. Do we we have a mic that we could take him instead of him having to get up and come up here?

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sit right there, Cap.

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‸ Do

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you want to come up?

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Well,

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here to, I want to thank

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You know, it's an interesting thing. I've traveled the world through my life. uh For 65 years,

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I've been everywhere. ‸ carried kings and queens, generals and admirals. uh ‸ I've been there and there and had fun ‸ there. In fact, when I was three years old, my nickname was

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uh And, well, it was, uh and

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But anyway, I traveled the world and enjoyed. And the 11th of May this year, I was 95. and

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my my main reason I'm up here is to thank

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Thank you all for making that day for me.

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Thank you for making this

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chief, two chiefs, with your gear out there with those trucks and those cars. uh i was i was I was astounded. ‸ My poor wife, she tried to get me down outside all day. And I said, the heck with

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I'm tired. My legs are still killing me. So she goes down the end of the driveway and she's sitting there. I said, what the heck's wrong with her? She's nuts. So I said, well, I better go down and see what's wrong with her. And there comes the fire trucks and the cars out from nowhere.

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But anyway, I'm up here. Thank you,

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for giving me a great day. I really enjoyed it. Thank you, sir. i almost

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scared me with that

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of a gun. i was uh

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yes sir we have a big

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parade on that

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up, we have uh Mr. George Brown. Thank you, Cap.

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Hi, George.

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Good evening, council. Good evening, sir.

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45 years so far and still at it. And I am so happy to see our council back again. Because I'm on the Code Enforcement Board and I haven't seen this here in a couple of months now. So we're hoping we're hoping July is our next meeting because we need to keep things going.

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Yeah.

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But um the first thing I'd like to do is ask a question. Have you folks seen our new Civic Center we have down on Stone

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Beautiful. Those lights are on at night. New sign. The streets all done. The sidewalks. It's gorgeous.

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end of June, I think it's uh it's actually complete.

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Yeah. The project is to be completed uh end of June and then they'll be uh conducting a grand opening uh celebration, uh I believe sometime later in July.

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oh July. Okay. Thank you very much. i gotta keep

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abreast

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of what's going on.

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everything. uh The question I had tonight was the railroad crossing. Now, I would love to call and say, hey, ‸ And I know dealing with the railroad is not fun. But it's terrible, terrible shape. The fire trucks go over. It looks like the equipment's gonna ‸ fall off. And ambulance are running left and right. And I don't

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fall off the back of trucks, these small trailers. And can we do something? Can we ask them? the

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for that new line to come through and then they'll fix it. But this could be another couple ‸ years.

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And then I was

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line because

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some stuff there. So

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the track. If we can do If you folks can do something, I'd sure i'd love to see ‸ that. Okay. We'll get you ‸ updated

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have an easement through the railroad tracks. We can't perform the maintenance directly without a permit from them. So typically they perform the maintenance when they decide it's needed, and then they back charge us for what they feel like it costs. So they've they've waived their maintenance this year and probably next year because next year they're planning to come through and put the second track. We can get with them on some of the minor repairs, but I wouldn't imagine them doing anything substantial. yeah

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well We're gonna ‸ bounce for another year.

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Probably they're planning

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That's what you need to do. I'll tell you,

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they do. little Fellas fall off. I've seen them.

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on my list,

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don't get before you guys that much, so I think i'll use a little bit ‸ this up. uh the

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I mean, it's a mess down there. What is going on? can Can somebody possibly from the city go down and look and see how they're cycling and what's...

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Well, I'm not blaming it.

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yeah but I'm

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not blaming the train. I have... The other day, you wait in line to the to take a turn or something, ‸ all of a sudden, they get the other side going just after they just stopped. And now they're going again. It's a mess. Yeah. yeah

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it is It was a problem for me the other day, George. I know what you're talking about.

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out. Yeah, we'll touch base with you. I'm

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not doing it, John. I'm not doing it. And I

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want

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to say one more thing. the fire The fire department, if you guys can do something with that lady, I think it's

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thing to do. We don't need any more

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bacon lamb

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I got enough bacon land down there.

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‸ that old

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building down, we'll get

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seemed like she had a contract that looked feasible that they were going to carry their own weight. So thank you very much. Thanks for coming

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Okay,

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we got uh

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continue the thank yous. I had no idea that was going to be a continuation.

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said. This is the second time I've been able to come to a council meeting since the virus because the first one when when I was here, what I wanted to say, a lot of the staff wasn't, and it's because it was your first meeting. But I'm up here to say thank you to the fire chief, and thank you to the chief of police chief, and also

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because I don't know if a lot of people know this or not, but I had a dumpster fire, one of four, one night. And I will never forget, you don't realize it until you're in it, and it was so severe. but you And then unless you're experiencing you, you have such an aura when you see people showing up in large numbers to come and help you.

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But uh I made a promise to several of the people, your guys, including the police chief, that I would say thanks. um The other thing is about the march. I was in the march. There was a lot of people I saw there, including council members and all that. But when we approached

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We were walking by. They were handing out free water, uh masks, offering assistance to people. But

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they were telling everybody as we were walking by, welcome to

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So that was all. Thank

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you, sir. Thank you. Appreciate it.

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uh ‸ Next we got miss Marlene wise welcome back great meeting

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It's been very uh wonderful to see all the different groups here.

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the Sustainability Advisory Committee for about three, two years now, quite a while. And it's been a long, short time. Hopefully we have some um recommendations for you. But here I'm as a community, very concerned community member. um I have seen a padlocking of parks. And it is really takes down a community. We can start with um there was a park where the Boy Scouts went in and created raised beds. They put a lot of work into it um for the Black Diamond. And right now, it has a no trespassing sign.

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I don't know if code enforcement can get out there and see if we're breaking our own codes with that lot. But I know that it sends a message to the community. um It's an already underserved community. we're

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talking about peach tree Street? peach ‸ Street, yeah. It's on peach tree yeah.

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peach tree I'm sorry. Did I say

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before the Boy Scouts were

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Diamond. It's a community garden. It says community garden. um But unfortunately, it has been padlocked. And it sends a, I i mean, I think it's an eyesore and it sends an already underserved community

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and she said that there is one volunteer, which I know that there are more volunteers if they were actively recruited and interested. I am personally interested in volunteering, just putting a ground cover crop. Maybe we can get a goat in there and have a little community thing and have it be an area where people come and

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padlocked. um That

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to go in there. I think we're getting buried. We're kind of losing sight of what's important here in our community when when that is an issue, when it's just, land is just going vacant and we're violating our own codes as a city. i'm you know I would also like to say the um the park in my area, I was told that it was Brevard County for two years.

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fact that the side trails behind the museum are open three days a week for short hours during the high heat at times. There is no community feeling with the fire station gone with the park locked up and even um Travis Park. It's open, but it has COVID signs. They've taken out all the plants. It is it. It it kind of just looks like it's lost life. um the The uh maintenance people don't want to put more plants in even though I volunteered to put in a butterfly garden for the, uh you know, so kids can come and see insects are good. They have a job. It's actually a really beautiful aesthetic uh place to go. It's a simple solution. I already talked to Brockledge Gardens, but

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So everyone's saying, oh well, I don't think we're going to be able to do it. And i'm just I'm just trying to care about the people. um I have had the girls in my community go from seven to now they're uh

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High kids. And

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um The

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PD was supposed to have a drug dog in there. Why are we not addressing the drugs in the schools rather than worrying about the kids being in the parks? Let's shut the

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so the kids don't do drugs in the parks. Why don't we go into the schools and address the issue there?

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on trucks in trucks. So when we say that we're keeping the bad element out by locking the gates, I don't think so. I think that they're just going down the streets now. And we can do better than that.

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the other items are the the nature areas that we have. Like,

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I had to almost sneak in today to see it because it just so happened ‸ someone had the gate open. ‸ I'm like, hello, I want to see

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Do you know about it? And it is the most, it's

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We don't get that in

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anymore. Everything has been broken up. Trees have been cut. There's the clouds. You can't see truly the beauty of

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It has been shut and mismanaged and drained and ‸ put behind uh padded locks. And I don't understand how as a community that is going to give us our identity. How is that going to give us our sense of caring? We have to actually do something to bring um public spaces back into the public. There's there's

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Range Road, it is full up with trash. But those trees are just as beautiful. And that waterway, those old canals, there's this there's a story here of water. It's not just, hey, let's go ahead and develop and we'll we'll we'll make some ponds that are that are going to collect green goop and mosquitoes. And let's just cut off the natural flow of the water. Let's let's go ahead and cut the trees.

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these These mature trees with deep roots that suck up the water in favor of playing grass, which we've all seen the water just flow right,

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It doesn't suck up the water. It's an impenetrable. It's not impenetrable, but we needed those trees and we need people to plant trees and not be afraid of them. And know how to trim them.

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I have that same issue. I didn't even know

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I had no clue. I truly didn't know until I found out the day that it was. I was back there because i was a resident called me because they had a an issue. and then And

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and and I was like, wow, what's going on here? And just to find out that it had been shut down for a while. I was like, are you kidding me? Because I remember what went into that park and I remember when we did the grand opening there. But if there's vandalism back there, then then we need to address some vandalism issues. But

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because we

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fine right now

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I think than vandalism to have a padlock and have a community and there's not there's not a plethora. I mean, that's our community area and it's shut.

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Yeah, and we we have all these amenities in our cities and there have been the public and the residents

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locked out. We had parks that you that gates were locked. You couldn't go in their park. You couldn't go use a restroom because they were locked, you know, 24

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I mean, the list just went

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have so much to offer. And instead of addressing the the issues and the problems, we're just locking everything up and

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saying,

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Okay, you know, here you go. This is what we do. And it's like, No, that's not what people are buying into. When they come to our city, you know,

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well, and the residents are, I think it's a real disservice to them. And it's it's actually, I can tell you that

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I don't feel that the city of Coco um really is I feel like they're the, you know, the man, the the the the person that

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garden? Can I please have access um to the park where I used to walk? I mean, I mean, it's more than just like, hey, um this is this is, uh you know, it's

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I just want you to understand that.

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Well, thank you, Marlene for raising give public spaces back to the public.

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and we can go over there and walk the trails behind there and talk some more about this. I talked with Matt yesterday, and ‸ it is time to give our public spaces back to the public.

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will be included on that

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June 20th. So maybe you can join us for that. Awesome. Thank you.

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you, ma'am.

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And also, right now, if you look at all the statistics that are coming up from the state, the best thing we can do right

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use our

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lowest risk you have of catching anything is to be in your outdoor spaces and your trails. So we definitely need to make sure that our residents have that opportunity, especially right now.

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Yeah, it's healthier to be outside and have the fresh air. Thank you, ‸ We appreciate it. Thank you

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Thank you. ‸ Okay,

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we're gonna ‸ move on to our reports and

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um boards. Any um advisory boards here with any reports? um All right. No reports. Thank you, sir.

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sir.

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Thank you, sir.

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Because you guys got more time to practice. Exactly. It's hard to practice in a patrol car. um Just to uh just to give a quick update on where we're at currently with uh

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Currently, we have 67 371 cases in the state of Florida. uh There's been 2801 deaths. That's at 10 o'clock this morning.

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has 484 cases with 13 deaths. The city of

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So um one of the big things that a lot of people, and I know Councilwoman

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has called, ‸ I spoke to her, that we see the numbers continue to increase. And we're going to. see

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uh As we see more test sites become available, we will start to see more and more people being tested. Those cases will start to go up. But on a national average, when you start looking at nationally where we are at with ‸ epidemic, we are on a downward trend. So I think that says a lot for following the CDC guidelines. The city will continue to stay vigilant in its current practice of following the CDC guidance and protecting our citizens, but also protecting our employees and moving forward. With that being said, I'm happy to announce that again, partnered with Brevard Health Alliance, we will be doing the test site here at um Bird Plaza on

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10 to 3 o'clock. So uh one of the things that Brevard Health Alliance has talked to us about is they're looking to make that at every other Friday thing, our staff allows, and they get the test kit. So that's been very well received by our community, and I think the ‸ biggest pluses for us here

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the city is it has served a population that could not

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some of the closer sites. So we're definitely serving a different demographic here

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the city that was underserved for so long to ensure that we have good test abilities and have that to our public available to them. So I know the mayor, the first day spent a majority of the day out there with us, and then even on the second day, uh second site came back out um and got to see the response we have from the community and it's just been overwhelming. So uh

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Health Alliance has been a great partner ‸ with them between

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So that shows a great uh public private partnership and the things that we can accomplish for our community as we uh move forward through this tough times.

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only relevance is that there's a lot of research going on, and

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that need to be, or care for, protect those that need to be protected. um

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as a result of that. ‸ Thank

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you,

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Thank you, chief. Is that it? Yes, ‸ Okay,

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um We have published the water quality report for last year. That's required by july 1st of every year it's only online at this time

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the flyers made up uh we generally folks contact the conservation office in our department uh we create a list and as soon as the uh uh brochure is published uh we mail those out to those who request it Otherwise, it's online for anybody who wants to take a look at it.

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just wanted to give everybody an update on the city manager recruitment. um it The posting is open until this Friday with the Mercer Group of Florida. As of today, there were 46 current applicants. well She's starting to narrow that down. um Some of those don't meet the criteria, just at a quick glance at them. um You ‸ kind of tell, but she's gonna ‸ be short listing that um and have it list to each of you by June 22nd.

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as a group and come up with

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timeline from that point. and I'm working with Carrie to get that special meeting

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lists. um One list is going to be a list of everybody, and then

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move forward for y'all to review. Because you're

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There wouldn't be time for all that. She's going to short list it to about

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um where y'all would choose out of that list who to bring in for an interview. ‸ And then we can discuss other options at that time ‸ she's going to present to you all

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Okay. Thank you, ma'am. miss

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City

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Attorney.

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Yes, ma'am. brief um Brief report. I've communicated information to the City Council

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2013 ‸ 2014 to a company named Brandy's. Just generally speaking, Brandy's abandoned those those construction projects. that was work significant work that was done, but

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the projects were never brought to final completion. Upon abandonment, the City has placed uh the sureties on notice relative to the City's claims. um

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these contractual matters with the with the sureties and

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um at this time, um you know, the it's not advisable um to delay any further with respect to um filing um a lawsuit against um lawsuits pertaining to the city's claims under the performance funds. So I'm asking the city council's authorization to do that at the appropriate time

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uh ‸ Yeah,

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authorization um as presented. I have a

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motion to authorize the our city attorney to pursue the lawsuit against the uh company

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those

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contracts.

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second. We

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Councilwoman Cost. All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? It passes unanimously. Thank you. That's my response. Thank you, sir. um Mr. City Attorney. i just gave

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Manager. I'm sorry.

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I'm looking at Matt, but saying, attorney,

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why you're

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wearing a

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tie. Not another

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one.

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hair.

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uh just

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a couple of items. uh The first one is uh somewhat of a policy related matter that I wanted to bring uh before the the council. And this is related to a uh water uh customer that happens to reside in uh

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the county's jurisdiction that has constructed a new home on a vacant lot. And they're attempting to establish water service. And so typically in that process, they uh file all their proper permitting. And then our our utilities uh crews perform the construction work necessary to provide that lateral uh extension of the water line. And uh what has happened is uh

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So if the the road was overlaid or milled and resurfaced within the last five years, they require basically like an fdot type patch rather than just a smaller t cut that you see all over.

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on that, then we provide those costs back to the uh customer. Well, in this particular case, rather than it being you know a smaller amount that you know they've factored into their their financing of their home or uh the project overall, uh the potential costs on this particular case

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county inspector approves you know what they can do. uh

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for that higher cost of which the homeowner was not prepared for. And they don't have uh the financing or the dollars to to pay that. So they have a new home with no water service. And so uh what I would ask of you all, we do have a a payment plan option for those that are behind on their uh water bills.

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like that, but this is a pretty significant amount. And so what I would be asking of city council is that if we can work with,

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staff can work with the city attorney to produce an agreement for this customer to execute for this particular amount so we can establish that payment plan, while at the same time establishing some higher level protections for the utility system due to the amount. And for this particular case to authorize that,

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for us to enter into those in the future, ‸ should they be necessary, while at the same time we're going to be meeting with Brevard County staff to really, I don't know if they're aware that this is happening and what the impact is, but it's pretty significant. So I just wanted to bring that to your attention so we can resolve this pending matter, you know, at the staff level without having, you know, because I believe, you know, they they're

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options. So we would like to provide a resolution to that and then bring back a policy related change where we can address that, and as well as provide protections for the water utility in

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future. So... Do

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No, it's it's actually in Brevard County's jurisdiction, outside of our corporate limits. So, okay, uh we will take care of that. And then uh

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that was involved with the uh the first uh amendment uh march that we had this past weekend,

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um really, as well as a community, really positive event. uh ‸ saw a lot of folks uh come out from the community and participate in that. And I think it you know served as an example for for everyone else. So I just want to thank everyone that participated in that and uh and what they contributed to that event.

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to be on the agenda, and it'll be on the next agenda. uh sign code related to election signs

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and I ‸ just ‸ provide

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we did determine in in our review was that those uh election signs uh within the city code have been grouped into uh the sign, or temporary sign ordinance, where it shouldn't be. uh When did

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can't tell you when that that changed for sure, but uh essentially it you know has to do with the regulation of those snipe signs on private property, and that's not something that we can uh it's unconstitutional. And so we will be bringing that code back uh with a modification or a strike through basically of

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just a couple things mr mayor first um like matt i would like to thank um everybody from the city staff that came out and uh participated on saturday and what has to be one of the most amazing events in the country definitely in florida when it comes to um the community stepping up and speaking out The event organizers did a fabulous job. The participants were amazing. It was so wonderful to see so many different segments of our community,

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People from other parts of Brevard.

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Florida. I mean, people were um excited to come to

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and were very impressed uh with our community and the way our community handled themselves. I am really proud to be a part of a community that can come together and pull off an event like that without any anger, without any violence. Everybody who was there, everybody who participated was so positive. I have not seen that in so long. And watching TV and watching the news, it's been so depressing. That event pulled me out of my depression and gave me ‸ so much hope. I can't even explain. it's just not words to explain. And I also want to address, because a lot of people have emailed me and asked me about the statement made on social media by

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um And they wanted to know why

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isn't saying more, why we're not doing more. And I can't speak for everybody else up here and everybody else in the city or the staff. I just want to say there are absolutely no words to describe ‸ the shock and anger and the sadness that I felt when I read that comment on social media. And I saw it probably within an hour of it going up. um That somebody who works in law enforcement could be so tone deaf to our community that they would say something like that. So insensitive was just beyond me.

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law enforcement. That made me extremely sad. um

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but especially to the good people in law enforcement. And it really upsets me that there are people in our community that take those words said by one person and put those words on everybody in this community who works in law enforcement. I have been very closely involved with people in law enforcement in this community since I was 17 years old

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And

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who would have those same sediments that the Brevard FOP put out there. I don't ever want our citizens to feel like that's how our police officers feel because I know they don't. I spend enough time with them that I know they don't feel that way. So please don't take those words and use them against other people in law enforcement. Now that that's over with, I want to thank

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had had an event at the pharmacy, a community support event for her customers and people up on that end and they had some food left over. And

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staff loaded all that food up and brought it down to the PD because all the pizzas that were donated by Papa John had been eaten by the SWAT team earlier in the day. So the midnight shift and

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that the night shift guys got better

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for bringing enough food to feed 50 people to the police station. And then I would just one other thing. um

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that Nancy finally got put up over on Blake Avenue. It seems like it's been years ago since we approved the Michael C. Blake subdivision. I don't have many months left on the council and I just want to say to Nancy, thank you for the signs. Now, before I leave in November, I would really like to go to a groundbreaking over there. So can we hurry up that RFP and get some houses built in the Michael C. Blake subdivision so that before I leave for Georgia,

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So that's it for me. Thank you. Thank

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out. So we'll start looking. We actually are uh

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with the developer next week. So and we're also in the process of selling 915 school street. So we'll be looking at moving on housing. um

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just a couple things um

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we have roughly about two to three thousand people that are engulfing coco um for a youth football uh tournament um they initially was supposed to be at a

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based on uh cdc and other situation So they chose to do

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Expo, um which in turn helps our community out a lot. It's called the Elite Future Stars. It's from Wednesday to Saturday. um I would like for us to do something for um the the owner of the organization. I don't know if it's a plaque or something like that.

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because I really want to encourage them to come back next year

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that um you know we appreciate them from coming, I believe it'll help of our city as well. which uh Holiday Inn is sold out, um pretty much all the

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hotels on that side of 95 are sold out, so you know they're going to come and I'll see you buy gas and eat and whatever the case may be. So um I don't know how y'all feel about that, but um

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But the owner's name is uh Fahim Ali. um This is his second year doing it. The other one last year was at i um IMG Academy

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um but they had the same situation dealing with CDC as well. But um

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Expo, because they really don't have a lot going on the last few years, but they welcome them, so I really want to do something um for them. So

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anyone have a problem with me uh working with Matt on doing some kind of plaque or something like that?

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No, it's just this is one of those many amenities that we have either right outside the border

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or within the border of the city of

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could write about the tournament. Well,

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maybe i could

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and we can let's figure out something. Thank you all for that. um um the

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um especially for uh our city for stepping up and um taking on a challenge, which um I think initially uh people watch TV and they have their perception on what is going to happen.

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city media, our police department as well, um to help people understand is those things you see on TV is not going to happen here and it did not happen here. And and I'm very, very happy and and and really it kind of lit a fire under me as well to um uh step my game up, especially when there was so much negativity going on that we have a lot of work to do in our city as well. um Things are going great, but it's still that stigma um that that needs to uh need to change within our city. um I really, really appreciate PD for stepping up. That was, I mean, and the the trailer, I think Samantha was in the trailer passing now. We had the V cops out there. It was just, it was just a beautiful day just to see um so many walks of life, so many Americans out there just fighting for other Americans and and for, you know, fighting for equal justice. So I really appreciate everyone, um

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but it was so many people behind the scenes, um ‸ so many meetings uh between uh

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PD, Matt, uh

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and um and as you can see, that's why it was like it was, because leadership uh took place. So ‸ appreciate our our guys for doing what they ‸ do best, and um much respect for that.

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on uh Washington Street. I think uh matt Matt got with Brian about that. um I just want us to keep keep aware when we do things, especially within the neighborhood, when they do uh open cuts like that, um

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especially when rain happens and things of that nature. um Because a lot of people was hitting ‸ manholes. It was just it just,

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And I got a lot of phone calls, and they was snapping on me for like two or three days, and

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but I understood it. um You know, their frustration, because they believe that, you know, it wouldn't happen anywhere else. And that's how some people may may may feel. So just keep an eye on that when we have those projects going on. But I appreciate you uh stepping up, Brian, and just making that phone call, making sure um those things get saved up. So thank you for that. Appreciate you.

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Yeah, and just to touch on, we are working to address that with the contractor in the future.

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‸ we'll try to prevent that.

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Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate ‸ That's all I had. That's one of the costs.

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uh Yeah, let me start. um

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The owner, Angie Sullivan, is challenging all

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‸ non-profit organization, St. Baldrick.

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Angie's

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getting her head shaved, or Susie? Because I i need

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deeply impacted by, you know, the events of the last couple of weeks. um and proud of our community for coming together peacefully and expressing ourselves. And um I just wanted to say that uh

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where this the genesis of these riots started. um

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and honestly, from my perspective, ‸ thought it very progressive and I was kind of, you know, of course shocked and horrified like everybody else. And I think that probably the average of

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bear there um appreciates ‸ or understands the racism that exists, some of the problems that exist. But I think what has changed is that previously we looked at that as a black issue. And I think what the sea change that

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place to a large degree is that white America is starting to realize this is all our issues. And um it's not just with policing, as we know, you know, um

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I think this is where we start to look at how we can legislate. And so I've really been thinking a lot about that. And I have a list of five that I would like to be included in this and for us to think and talk about going forward. The first is that I understand that the police chief previous in the past has met with the faith community, convened faith community meetings. um I've been talking with Pastor Bryant about having some sort of truth and reconciliation, you know, some opportunity to kind of air things to at least get it out there. um But I think that bringing together that community to kind of lead that conversation would be helpful to us all as a community. So I would like to i would like to see us do that. um Number two, we used to have council meetings on Tuesday nights. We moved it to Wednesday nights. But what I've discovered is that most churches have services on Wednesday nights. And it prevents a lot of folks from joining us. Could we entertain going back to Tuesday? I

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would love that.

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yeah It's still on my calendar. I don't know how to get it off.

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yeah I think that it could potentially increase participation. well

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For those who weren't here. and

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come back with the plan.

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We changed it because of what was going on with our schools and the school board because the school board meetings are the same night. I think a lot of those issues are no longer relevant, but

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so that we could attend school board meetings to to fight for our schools and in county commission meetings.

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‸ The third item is I would like to have another presentation. I know that

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on the consent decree, but I think

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and in our African-American history.

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I think that um if we could entertain that either as a presentation, because I don't think a lot of people in my neighborhood or ‸ in the community at large are as aware. For example, even Harry Moore, a lot of people don't know, even though we have a justice center

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the Harry Moore Justice Center, I don't think they realize who Harry

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civil rights history, our voting rights history, and that happened here.

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I would like to see us have to do some sort of presentation either as a part of

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in the near future. The fourth item is I would like us to entertain renaming this boulevard to Martin Luther King Boulevard. Now when I mentioned that um to Matt, he said that there you know some communities have avoided doing that because they saw that that it could potentially be a negative in terms of development. But I've been researching it. There are lots of communities where that was actually a big plus. And I know it's just largely symbolic,

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you that I proposed that back when I was on council before. um It was

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um Northward. And we sent out letters to the residents that was affected, the businesses that was affected, ‸ and everything came back positive. There was two residents that came and spoke. uh and they didn't ‸ live off of the office on behalf

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But i it was the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. and uh

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It's a

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memorial. yeah It's just a memorial. The name of

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the street has not been changed. I know that there are other things involved in that, but if

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send letters out and you and you um and that's what happened before. and And not a one of them had anything, nothing came back negative

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up and and talked in opposition for against it and then uh and it just didn't happen. i I didn't get it. But...

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Well, I'm asking for consensus that we reconsider that and you know understand what's involved in that. And then the fifth item was I feel like we really need to look at the police advisory committee that we need to revisit. I know it's... is the committee going to be meeting soon?

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the makeup so much as how it's used, how it addresses issues. I just think... I think it's appropriate that we revisit it. That we know that there's... um

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up with. It was a good start. But, um if we can strengthen it to give more confidence to the community, um I would like to see that.

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Could you possibly provide, um it probably would help out if you, maybe you can provide recommendations for what those changes you might Well,

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I've just been looking at what other cities are doing.

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Right.

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So... Okay. Yeah. I would be happy to, uh do that and send them to other councils is

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that it?

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for that, the testing at the birth lodge. I was in and out of there in seven minutes.

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oh wow. So I told people I lost

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to get over there right away. ‸ No, but it was good. ‸ the hospitality was great and took longer to do the paperwork, ‸ but ‸ I think it was seven minutes from the time I went in the first barricade, till I pulled out of there, which is good. So, that was it,

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but why everybody thinks it should be cocoa all over the place, then it would be nice and quiet.

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i want to thank all the staff for everything that they do and uh public works, fire, police, and the list goes on

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and uh

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peaceful march that took place here in the city of

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I know other cities um i actually put on marches, but there was none like what happened here in our community

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And uh we're so grateful for so many folks to be together and then to be so peaceful. And uh I tell you, it was a bittersweet day for me because that was the a year ago that date was a date my father passed, as well as um i had what I was watching some uh footage on D-Day and uh watching those guys, you know, get out of those, um coming out of those little those little shoots dropping on the beaches, man, and not knowing what to expect. And then just seeing the folks across the street, man, just hugging each other, knowing that we were we're in the middle of a this

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pandemic, you know. But they didn't care. They they were they were they were uh in it uh because they they believed in the in the uh what was happening there. And uh and then it was just absolutely incredible. And ‸ to see a young white female across the street holding the sign up at the end of the uh march. And that sign stated that I haven't gone through what you've gone through. i I don't know what it's like, you know, but I'm here for you and I stand with you. And uh to see two young black females pull over in their vehicle and get out and give her a hug and say thank you. and uh I'll tell you, I can't even tell you what I felt and uh and what was going through me that day. And uh

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it's uh just even thinking about it and seeing it, it was absolutely incredible.

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just fairness, everybody being treated equally. And uh and that's just a simple request, you know that uh you know. And some folks just don't know. They

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you know. You have to explain certain things, and I'm like, how they act, and and uh to respond to ‸ police officers

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go.

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what? I have to make a phone call the the and make um ‸ and go online and just see if it's me being an african american there's some place I can go and enjoy and feel and be safe and know that I'm going to be safe, and and my family's going to be safe there to go and visit this particular park or this particular area. And it's just sad that anyone have to go through that in this country and it's 2020, and uh and it's like, it's amazing. But I'm so grateful for every for everyone that uh have participated in marches and everyone has played a part in these marches. uh just Just so grateful for all of them. And uh also, um I know we're in the the um the budget process right now, and uh there's so much stuff happening in the city, and I thank the staff for it, and uh you know we we got the you know the work that's going on in Washington, uh

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um Some of the stuff that's happening along um

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right now,

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and seeing some of the stuff that happened in the parks and and with the uh the parks task force, um you know, looking at our parks and and uh the conditions of our parks, that whole ‸ deal. the Lee Winter Park, what's happening there, the

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the promenade. and And, uh you know, uh it's just amazing um

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all the stuff that's happened throughout our city that people are seeing throughout our city.

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up here right now and, then and of course, the staff, you know, and uh and they appreciate that. They appreciate what they're seeing. um And I know we've been met with a lot of um attempted distractions, but I'll tell you one thing. This man right here and this mayor here is going to stay focused on the on the task at hand because I'm not going to let anything distract me from moving our city forward because

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all of my life other than the times I was gone in the service. And uh I know how far we've come. Don't want to go backwards, but

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and it's just amazing that we haven't taken advantage of it. But I am so grateful to see some of us actually starting to sit at the table uh with some of the different groups, like the Space Coast TPO, the Executive Committee, the MPOs, and just seeing just people just sitting at the table now, having a voice from the city of

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we should have been years ago. and uh so But we're going to get there. I mean, regardless, we're going to get there. and uh But people ‸ seeing the things that are happening, and they don't even care. I mean, they care about the budget, and they care about you know their fees and their taxes and stuff. But you know what? It's not so much of an issue because they see the things that are happening in the city, and that's all they want to see. They want to see it happen in their community as well as, you know, you're doing all this stuff here, but what about us? And they're seeing that now, and uh

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I'm just saying they see it happening, and I'm so appreciative of all the staff for everything that they're doing. And I know it's getting late, so I'm gonna ‸ move on

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of here.

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Mayor, can I have five seconds? you're mentioning

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Street. Reminded me that I forgot to do something very important. We have an issue,

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anybody who's traveled down

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Street knows, with some county property along

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Street. And

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I just want to thank Commissioner

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for sending me an email and guaranteeing me that he will have that cleaned up by the 18th of this month.

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I uh took pictures the other night, and they were so upset by it, they followed me home. So, yeah. yeah

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Okay, we're going to move on to our consent agenda. Motion to approve. We get a

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Second.

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Question. Item number three. is it is it um is it inappropriate for me to make a call to u.s lawns to ask can they add peach tree uh garden um for free to cut it for us because it's a community project, and see if they would do it inside of this contract?

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had some funds for the community garden to maintain that,

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well because it's the least expensive of all of the lawn abatements. Okay.

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was told that he would be there this weekend once the contract was approved for the last council meeting. So he should have it done by the end of by Monday.

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Cutting that property? Yes. oh yeah Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it.

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on to public hearing, which we

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our council business um finance director.

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Yes, mayor and council. um One of the council members had asked for uh discussion and uh background information regarding the city's policy on seasonal seasonal customers and unoccupied ‸ property policy and owner billing. So um prior to 2005, city council allowed for vacation status on customer accounts. So when customers left for the summer season, they were able to put their account on hold and suspend ‸ And then when the customer returned back here after however many months later, then billing would resume in an active status. In December of 2005, city council implement implemented a seasonal customer policy, which eliminated this vacation status and then required all

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to continue to stay stay active. And because of that, we built for base fees even though the dwelling is not occupied. In August of 2008, city council approved and staff implemented an unoccupied property policy. And at that time, the intent was to bill all utility accounts, whether it's uh rentals ‸ or residential or commercial, to build base fees regardless of occupancy, just like what was happening with the seasonal customers. So essentially, base fees would always be billed on a utility account. Shortly after the policy was implemented in October 1st of 2008, there was some public dissension ‸ regarding that decision. And so city council reversed the policy and reverted back to the seasonal customer policy. So in October of 2015, staff was requested to revisit the seasonal property policy and provide a recommendation of either re-implementing the unoccupied property policy or um looking at status quo. And at that time, the recommendation was to leave it

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status quo. So as of today, we still operate under this seasonal policy where basically the snowbirds are still be billed for the base fees regardless of whether they're here occupying the home or not. um When we had our um utility workshop uh with City Council in 2019, um it was brought up to resume the billing of this

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on all accounts, all utility accounts. um And so we're uh

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we're conducting the full utility rate study. um And we have been working with our consultants and asked our consultants uh what other cities do regarding uh the seasonal policy and the um

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They only found one um other agency that actually bills uh all utility accounts and basically forces the accounts to go into the owner's name and stay in the owner's name.

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Other cities do have um seasonal policies. However, what we have is somewhat of an inequity right now with our seasonal policy because that's the only group of people that's being billed the base fees all the time. So um staff is bringing this information back to council. um There are a couple schools of thought. You can continue billing the base fees and consider it a readiness to serve charge. You can allow termination of the billing of the base fees while the the property is vacant, which

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utility accounts going in the property owner's name, um again, that's kind of a mixed bag with that. We would be able to reduce the amount of traffic that comes in the city because uh into city hall because a lot of those utility accounts are turn offs and

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because they are rental properties and people are turning over where they're moving. um In addition to um people bright purchasing a new home and establishing an account because of that. um So

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to do. And then we would bring forward a subsequent agenda item to change the policies or leave them as they are.

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And you want us to wait until the utility rate study is done before we make a decision? is that uh

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With the rate study, we actually even met with the consultants today and regarding ‸ the um putting it in the owner's name and then base billing on everything that we knew of one other municipality that did that. So they are not suggesting that we do that policy. um And apparently there was a lot of public um dissension regarding that decision previously. But that is council's decision.

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So first of all, what is the base fee Do we know?

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It's a readiness to serve charge. The line is there

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And how much is that?

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a residential connection.

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Right. So it seems to me that that's a reasonable fee given we're providing the infrastructure. They may not be drawing water, but part of what we provide is the infrastructure that brings the water to their home. So I would like to see us look at that again.

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I think the the staff, um

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Did did they say anything? I thought most cities did that. I mean,

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Don't most cities charge that? They

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bill it on active accounts.

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Only on active accounts? right

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It would go vacant for a while until it's rented out. For a home or an apartment, you know, apartment complexes can be right master meter or individual. Yeah.

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Yeah, I thought most cities had an unoccupied. I mean,

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a base fee on water in some other cities. So I thought i thought other cities did that.

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I could say

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last year,

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And that's from that's just the base fee that they're charging. And I guess it covers the the garbage and all the other stuff, too, even though no one's there. Yeah. yeah

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yeah um i I can't agree with the all utility accounts in the property owner's name because that that puts an adversarial relationship between property owners and tenants sometimes. uh And it also, um you know, with the responsibility of collecting and paying. and And it also, when you're talking about real estate management companies who are managing some of these rental properties, they're going to be doing things differently and charging more. and And in the end, the tenant is going to pay more to get the service. They're going to pay a fee to get their water bill collected. So it's going to cost the tenants more. And I think rental properties in the city are already high enough, even if it's just an extra 10 or 15 a month. So, I mean,

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adopting the unoccupied property policy, but definitely not the owner accounts.

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play on for not um putting the bill into the owner's name. ‸ when i have I see so many pros to doing it. um Am I am i reading this wrong? The pros to the methods.

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very positive for us as a staff, correct, to to do it. So why is staff recommending it not to do it?

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Because a lot of the staff has been here and had the history ‸ where there was kind of an outcry against doing that. um

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time. We wouldn't be turning on and turning off. We wouldn't be sending, you know, our meter service people out to take the reads as often. Yes, that would save time.

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um you have three things that we're seeking direction on. Whether you want to leave the current seasonal um property policy in place where we continue to build those base fees only to the seasonal customers.

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times for all customers by re-implementing that unoccupied property policy. And then whether you want us to implement a policy to hold all utility counts

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possible, if it's not too much work, to see what kind of revenues we generate from that. Is it possible to reduce the base fee because we're collecting a fee from everyone? We can look into that.

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I think we had those figures. Didn't

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do that at one time previously or somebody did that when we looked at it a few years ago back in

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might have looked at it how that there might be some figures from them ‸ yeah

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we We did look at that because it also impacts all the other cities. ‸ And

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bringing it to council none of them of course showed up yeah but I would expect the same in this case just due to the potential political side of it

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‸ well I have a ride with my council on this one I go with I go with number two as well

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Unfortunately. ‸ So

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two,

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the seasonal property, and you did not wish to do anything with option number one or option number three?

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look at it or just kind of look at? The

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policy? and bring in the revenue information?

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‸ You don't need that in a motion, do you? Just consensus? No,

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sir. Just consensus and we'll bring that policy back to council for adoption. ‸ Okay.

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number two. Thank you, ma'am. We're gonna ‸ move on item number two, which is update on the village of cocoa village for the redevelopment of 915 Florida Avenue Ms. Brown thank

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you mayor as you're aware the city acquired 915 Florida Avenue which is the former Oaks mobile home

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2017 the city engaged Bass Fletcher Associates to complete a highest and best use appraisal.

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with a commercial component on the corner so in January 22nd 2018 the city issued a request for proposals and that closed on March 5th 2018 there were two proposals the city received one was John Haley which was a 32 to 36 townhome unit project with garages and a small structure for neighborhoods supported commercial activities.

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sought to construct 64 to 65 multi-story townhomes with garages. They were going to provide shaded green areas with open space and a corner three-story commercial building. They provided two options for land acquisition. One, which was their preferred option

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and the second option was a land acquisition of 750,000 so staff met as a committee and recommended the

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Cocoa Village. The property is zoned core commercial with the south end district of the

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Overlay District. Future land use this mixed use. So, in writing the staff report and discussing this with the planning ‸ zoning manager and

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came out the CC zoning actually does not allow townhome development

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for this use, for the townhome development use. So, there's a little confusion with the previous staff in that it allows for townhome development as a type of building in a multi-family scenario, not as a single family townhome attached or detached. So once that was clarified because our current planning zoning manager was actually involved in the writing of the overlay district, so she understood that that was the that was what the intent was. So staff would seek to change that make that rezoning change. So the villas proposal was recommended and approved by both the cocoa CRA ‸ council

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60-day approval for the purchase agreement, though it was believed that additional time may be needed for large-scale site plan approval as I mentioned that CRA and the council approved it on April 24 2018 and directed the city manager and city attorney to negotiate a development agreement so on August 23rd 2018 the city attorney's office Office drafted a redevelopment agreement, which outlined some of the terms and conditions of the redevelopment. ‸ during that time from 2018 ‸ 2019, staff met with the developer several times. They were also the same developer of the cottages. And it in discussion, the developer wanted to proceed ‸ with the cottages first and then would work towards the Villas project. So there were several development review committee meetings. We had started out with conceptual. Public works and fire at the time had provided some comments. Unfortunately, for some of the departments, the concept plan was too conceptual. they needed ‸ more to scale with a little bit more detail ‸ so they worked on that as well it wasn't until March of 2020 that

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city staff could actually review in depth and in addition the

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construction the developer was also working with St.

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issues with the property as far as trying to put that many town homes on that property and so the engineer is here today and she will talk a little bit further about some of the challenges they had with the concept plan

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and staff met with the developer to kind of see where we were at on the draft development agreement that had been basically unexecuted since August 23rd 2018 and there was discussion about some of the comments made from some of the different departments utilities fire public works and so we tried to address those questions and we thought that it would be best to hold an actual development review committee instead of going to each individual department and so we did that on May 15 2020 we held

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development review committee meeting and provided some feedback for the developer the current proposal from where the 2018 RFP was there are some changes that needed to be made they're looking at reducing the number of townhome lots they are looking at a reduction of usable recreational green space at the heart of the development including a pavilion

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the ‸ area with the loss of the adjacent pavilion from the south of the property and they were also having to reduce the on-street parking for the commercial component they ran into some FPL easement issues they will not be able to provide any of that on-street parking so and I can leave the other one we counted up that there was initially proposed 55 parking spaces and

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it should be noted that the items that I just mentioned would be something that we would need to renegotiate within the development agreement and that after the agenda was published the developers did receive a copy of the agenda item and they provided some response

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attached ‸ in your package as well so I am the only staff person left that was involved in the project and so there was some conversations with the former city manager and some of the other planning staff as well that

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some of that information to you and like I said also the engineers here she wanted to provide a little update on some of the challenges they had

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and I tried to meet with Mr. Harvey back in early 2018 just to find out

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and what they were going to do there because I wasn't getting a whole lot of information especially the information that I was requesting he actually refused to sit down and have a conversation with me for whatever reason I don't know what it was but ‸ never met the guy ‸ didn't know him and but he didn't want to sit down and have a conversation with me

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never happened

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I was done with it and I've asked and inquired about that property because there were several developers that asked me about that property and what was happening with it there was absolutely nothing happening there I even talked to the staff unless they lied to me and ‸ got the same thing there was nothing happening there I inquired about a development agreement and no one would ever produce a development agreement to me and then finally the city attorney got a development agreement to me he sent me one

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part of I think it was early part of this year 2020 and I have been inquiring about it since 2018 early 2018 which I thought was absolutely ridiculous that I had to keep

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you know trying to get that information I just you know this is ‸ absolutely ridiculous I mean you don't have a

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development agreement and then you know all this time has gone by you've never signed the agreement and then we sat back down and have a discussion about what the developer or what the person that actually run ‸ RFP and start renegotiating it's like are you kidding me you know that needs to come back to the council because nothing's happened you know we were selling it in the economic breakfast you know

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2020 it was 2019 and 2020 but there was never any movement

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on this property nothing's happening I mean nothing was happening

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want to sit down and have a conversation with me I

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because there's others inquiring about the property and then when when all of a sudden I start talking a lot about it and mention

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you know trying to get some information on what was happening then all of a sudden there's movement we want to do something now let's let's do something you know

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and if this property this project we're here is going to be anything like the project I see that's happening right now then I have an issue with it and I'm just telling you

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sick of it and ‸ I'm sick of all the all ‸ the misinformation that's gone out there with reference to it

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a project I think it would have been and I think it would have been an awesome project you know had it taken place but you know it's just the way

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dragged our feet and and all the lies I've gotten with references this this property and

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the city don't do business like that it needs to be documented there's a documentation you don't do handshakes and go okay yeah you go ahead and do this it don't work that way

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it don't work this way now and so I don't know what went on back then and what kind of bills were being made by the city manager ‸ whoever it needs to be on paper it needs to be documented and it's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard so ‸ that's my my tidbit on that ‸ what

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do you recommend is the that's the real the real question what do you recommend ‸ we do as a council about the situation

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I think it should go back out to an RFP I

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the hotel at least he did sign an agreement at least he was trying to do something here we saw nothing I saw absolutely nothing you know and and now he would have had that same opportunity I'm sure I would have I would have pushed for it extensions and if it has some issues to see this project move forward I think it's an excellent project it's

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what was proposed there in conjunction with the the old Sears Town mall it was absolutely incredible and I thought this right here would have been a good project but unfortunately you know here we are you know and still no movement but all of a sudden you know we've had a couple of meetings we're doing this and it's like well okay ‸ I mean did you sign an agreement is there anything have you done anything no and but just had a conversation and come up with a little bit of a site plan and changes here and there but anyway

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Well, back in 2018, the property is owned by the city.

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Okay. So, and the property is located in the redevelopment area. So, in order for, and the property was acquired for redevelopment purposes. So, in order for the city to dispose of the property, the city needs to go through the RFP disposition procedures under the Redevelopment Act.

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And based on that RFP process, it ranked a couple of projects and selected this project ‸ to negotiate an agreement to convey the property for a redevelopment project. So, we got as far along as the direction to get an agreement, but no agreement has been signed to date. So, we need, the city needs an agreement in writing in order to move forward with ‸ the conveyance of this property in implementing a redevelopment project. So, absent an agreement, if the city council does not want to continue the negotiation process to come up with an agreement with this bidder, then

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The dilemma for the council, of course, is the property, if the council wants to dispose of the property, would have to go through the RFP process all over again. And

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The previous advertisement was based off of a study that was done for the highest and best use of the project ‸ property. I don't know if that still holds true today. The city would have to evaluate whether it wants to have the same RFP advertising that it had last time, or whether the council, this council, may want to see something different relative to that property. But they would have to go through the whole process all over again. And then ‸ any interested party could submit bids or proposals, I should say. But those proposals have to be consistent with the RFP advertisement that the council puts on the street.

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out on the street today, because we have a different council. They look at this property differently. I don't know. But that's ‸ something that you all would have to wrestle with if you don't want to bring this particular bidder to the point of execution of an agreement for this project.

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I can just add that I heard a lot of concerns with reference, you know. So the other project, and I mean, I've heard them the entire time. I've been on council, and that's what concerns me that here we are still. And it's another personal. I mean, I just wanted to have a conversation, just a simple conversation.

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because I just want to see projects moving in the city of Cocoa, instead of just sitting here with the same crap, you know, and just a lot of talk, wasting a lot of time, wasting a lot of staff time, efforts, and ‸ it's just ridiculous.

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and just not doing anything for whatever reason. I know it takes time, but it doesn't take that much time to have some kind of movement, you know. And I'm just a little frustrated with it, because ‸ we're never going to get there.

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some of the same old people, we just ‸ need to move forward.

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recommendation like they did on the hotel?

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I just wanted to, the appraisal on that property was done in the fall of 2017.

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Most property has changed value in that three years. I would assume so, yes. Oh, yeah. So this agreement is based on a property appraisal of three years old. Correct.

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And I will say, it would be disingenuous for me not to say that I was in meetings where the former city manager verbally told the developers that we would work towards this project. ‸ They were working on the cottages first, and they wanted to kind of look at all of the engineering to determine all of the different things they needed for the development agreement. So as even with the cottages, there are agenda items with the cottages where it was stated that the developer was working on ‸ that project first because there was changes.

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They had to look at the stormwater. They had to look at what kind of green space they can have. Erin, in talking with her earlier today, she can kind of give you some more background as far as St. John's and some of the issues that she had at the property and the time frame that it took for them to look at that, and that might help as well.

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‸ How does he sit there and make statements like that without talking to his elected body about that?

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Or is

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it just something that he just

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to do?

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it. You know. You were?

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I was at the time, yeah. I mean,

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I asked him about it, and he said there is no signed agreement. He basically gave me no more details than that, but that was the status report I got.

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two separate projects.

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and the cottages was actually somebody else's project, and

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So the developer of the Oaks property agreed to take that project on, and then if I recall correctly and Matt made it correctly, they said, we will go ahead and get started on this project while we work on our engineering and our issues on our villas project.

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the engineering or any of the, I didn't know that there was a meeting back ‸ in the middle of May, and I think maybe the city of Rockledge had to join us because of some of the stormwater issues because that property does about Rockledge, but that was ‸ the last I heard about it. But it was my understanding that because they were working on the cottages and getting that done, that we were letting them do the engineering, do all the stuff that we have been frustrated that we haven't been able to get on the hotel project from Mr. Brown, which was all the details and the engineering and the stormwater and the sewer and all that stuff, that they were busy working on those things before the development agreement was signed. And Matt can correct me if I'm wrong, but that was,

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So I wasn't, I wasn't considering nothing going on because I thought there was all this planning going on in the background while the cottages were being built. Now I have had some concerns with what I've seen at the cottages. I would expect those to have gone up a lot quicker, but I don't know what those challenges have been.

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‸ Well, if that's the case, then I was lied to more than once. So I'm just going to put it out there.

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was, I mean, like I said, that was my understanding from the original agreement and things could have changed.

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the model homes, ‸ the first two that went up were actually what, how they were going to sell the units at the villas.

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to allow them to build that, that townhomes there on the corner that are still going up. But that was supposed to be actual model homes that they could sell the villas project.

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There's been no movement there. I mean, you, you've got a couple of people there at the most sometimes. And, you know, and it's like, are you kidding me? You know, and I mean, I'm not telling them how to do their business, but that's not what I normally see on a construction site. You know, when you're building something,

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a year, almost a year now. And it's ‸ just sad. I mean, ‸ I personally, I think it's sad. And, and, but if

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reflection of what we're going to get, then, you know,

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was

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issued April, 2019. And that's, if you drive by, you'll see what it looks like. There still isn't even drywall inside, but they are working on getting the rest of the units. They've got two other buildings up. So they had, they had some challenges with the first building.

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Well, anyway, yes, ma'am, you can come up and if you could state your name and address and, uh.

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Business Address, Melbourne, Florida,

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I am here as a civil engineer, um, working on this project. Um, I have worked on this project and I,

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I've had a bit of history with some of you that are on the council and have not been fortunate enough yet to meet, you know, the rest of you that are here ‸ now. Um, we did come through, uh, quite a few times, um, on the cottages, um, the first time around. So, uh, there, there was, uh, a different developer on that project. Just, and I know really all I'm here to do is to provide my involvement in some history, um, as well as just to explain what has been done and what we've been doing on the project, um,

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working with staff and, and their support.

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um, I think it was actually, and, you know,

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that thought it might be good for the community to have a cohesiveness between the two communities, to have the townhomes that are there at the cottages reflect the bigger and better and brighter development that would be coming with the villas. And so it was, um, not the original plan of the current, um, team for the villas to, uh, view the cottages, but they understood that that was, uh, a hope and a want, and they thought it was a great opportunity as well.

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And, um, you know, from a, uh, construction perspective, from a site perspective, you know, on the building side of things, um, that's where I kind of take a step back from just kind of dirt. Um, but there was, you know, a focus there that, um, took it through final

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planning,

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and then they, you know, kind of went on, on their way and, and I moved on to the villas. And we did some conceptual planning.

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RFP level,

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um, that had, uh, the thoughts of, and ideas of what they would want or what, you know, everybody would want at that, at that property. Um, at that point, we had the survey, um, Packard, uh, surveying, was the surveyor on that. And he completed the boundary survey and the topographic survey. And at that point, we were able to start looking at it, uh, in more realistic terms.

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area, you know, you're familiar with the property. It has a considerable elevation difference across the site. Um, that, and it's, you know, uh, you drive down, you know, Roselle Jones, and there's that, and Florida Avenue, uh, for sure,

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and power poles to contend with out there.

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out and how the units would be laid out to meet code requirements. Um, we met with staff and we did get some feedback, um, in regards to fire turning radiuses and things that we needed to address. So we incorporated those changes, um, at that time. And, uh,

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we had a couple, a couple questions from a utility perspective that we were working through with previous staff. Um, we also had a couple questions

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Um, but part of, I guess, what the process that we've been doing in comparison to the cottages. So the cottages, we started off with a development agreement and we then came in with the plat and the site plan. So the development agreement didn't necessarily have all of that engineering and the meat and the bones of everything that is going to make sure that those details in the development agreement doesn't change. So we had talked about proceeding where it was kind of collective with this development since we've had some, some lessons learned, although, you know, it was a unique property. So we've been working on, as well, determining the site engineering, you know, running storm calculations to make sure that the area that we have designated, because it will be platted, that the area that we have designated for the stormwater pond is big enough that it will support the runoff and the treatment needs for the community. I had

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It could impact the stormwater that we're able to

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So, we did also, you know, preliminary designs for the water and sewer, making some assumptions on what we'd be able to do.

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efforts, those design efforts, to really, you know, I think we're of the same perspective that, you know, I know I would love to see this project move forward as well. I think we did run into a couple interesting situations that I had not encountered myself before.

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point of putting together the plat to bring to you fine folks to review and

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and ‸ the surveyor that had done all of the work up to that point is no longer around. And so that was, you know, we then kind of regrouped and regathered and reengaged another surveyor to come and address the boundary and pull in the information. I think we have had some of our conversations via phone because not too long after that we ran into, you know, the COVID shutdown here for a couple months and so ‸ the surveyor that has been the surveyor to do the plat, they've completed the boundary, the revised boundary on their side of things. They're actually working on the plat still. They've been, you know, moving forward with it.

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at our development review meeting that confirmed some of the questions that we had kind of still on utilities, how to provide utilities because it'll be a private road and, you know, how to address the parking along Rosa Jones.

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made some tweaks to the layout so that, you know, we limited some conflicts at the driveway. We weren't able to include the parking along the street there because of those large power poles and power lines that run along the south edge there. We did, I'm not sure if you've got the most up-to-date layout, but

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to support the community and residents of the area. You know, I think it's been, you know, as far as the exact aspect of it, but maintaining that connection there to the south, is, I think that's, you know, kind of, in a nutshell, like a walnut shell, maybe not like a tiny nutshell, but like a bigger nutshell.

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know. Oh ‸ my goodness.

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and I know, you know, from, I can understand your perspective if you ‸ weren't, you know, involved in the cottages, not knowing the history, you know, seeing, you know, that as far as, and ‸ the outside of things, all I can provide is the information on ‸ what we've been working on and ‸ my involvement

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to this point. Thank you. ‸ And I don't know if you know this,

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of this fall

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It doesn't?

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I think it's across the street. Is

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it across the street? I think so, yeah. Okay. Okay. I just, I don't know, man. I mean, if, ‸ I mean,

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man. And for whatever reason, he just felt compelled. He didn't want to have a conversation with me.

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My thing was just, you know, whatever. You don't want to talk to me, that's fine and dandy.

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know, I

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but, you know, it will be coming back to us. You don't want

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have a discussion with me, but yet I don't see anything happening. And just trying to get information. It was like pulling tooth and nails, Just trying to get some information on this property. It's like, what's the big secret? What's going on here?

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Or we're not supposed to know about coming in on the council? I mean, and ‸ that's what it was, you know. ‸ But anyway, Councilwoman Warner. Yeah,

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I just have a question of staff. Thank you so much. That was ‸ helpful. If

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there's anything else I can, you know, provide for information.

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Thank you.

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didn't mean to get you all shook up.

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Yeah. I have a question, Nancy. I think I'm hearing our normal process seems to be we get a development agreement and then we go through all this process. And what we've done this time is we're going through the process before we have a development agreement. So what I'm looking at is

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I forgot we had a hotel going on.

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Okay, we don't even have the engineering we've asked for.

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all this work on this project but we don't have a development agreement. So what I'm going to need to know from staff before we do any other projects like this, which way works better? Signing the development agreement and then going through two or three years of process? Or do we want to go through the process and make sure the people can perform before we give them a development agreement? I

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mean... You signed a development agreement and

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hotel and we can't get a hotel. So I'm figuring one of these processes, is maybe both of them aren't working. So I want a new process. If these aren't working, I want a new process. I've got a development agreement on a hotel, and I don't have a hotel. I don't have a development agreement on this but I have a civil engineer and a plot plan, and I have all this work that's already done that even if we don't move forward with this project or they don't, we have all this engineering information and stuff that they have provided to us. So I just need at some point for staff to tell me, are we doing this wrong? You know, come on, Nancy.

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all this work has been done. I haven't seen it. I've asked for

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all underground it seems.

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and I mean,

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seen anything over there either but ‸ yeah, ‸ I just think something is wrong with our process. If we have been with two separate projects, two separate developers and we're doing, one of these we're doing with the development agreement up front and the other we're doing the process before the development agreement and it's been over two years and we don't have either project, something is wrong. So let's figure out how to fix it.

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when you're asking for information and you're not getting that information. This is what happens.

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and saying, hey, here's the deal. Here's what we got. Here you go. You know, and ‸ you know, just wanted to know, Just wanted to know what was going on, you know, and what's happening So we can move forward

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didn't get it.

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but I ‸ do feel like I have more information now than I had at the beginning of the need.

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Well, I'm just going to say again, the appraisal and then we've been maintaining the property, you know, that seems to be a detriment to the city or

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we still own the property, right, yes.

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Okay. And I wanted, since Councilman Warner, can I ‸ make my recommendation having been employed for 24 years is that I think one of the mistakes that we made was we did an RFP. I think in the future we should look at an RFQ. You look at the qualifications of the developer, not the proposal. And so the hotel project at

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And three years later, you have no dirt turning on either project. Yes, we have a signed development agreement with the hotel.

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‸ And I can kind of defend that in that with the cottages project, we had modifications. So we had to keep coming back and modifying it. They were, We had a draft and there were so many issues that we weren't certain how many townhomes,

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much parking, whether they could do the, the park, the dog park, the playground, how much stormwater they needed. They only gave us a concept plan. So all of that had to be figured out before they could go into a development agreement.

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Certainly. That's what we're doing

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the hotel. This one we did a little bit different because we were working with them on the cottages first. We had a development agreement. We amended the development agreement because things again changed. We made several modifications. Remember, they didn't even realize there was an FPL easement. So then they had to do another modification for the FPL easement.

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they could build on it. FPL said no. We had to come back again. So I want to say there was like three modifications to the cottages agreement.

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to look at is the qualifications of the developer. Have they been, have they proven that they can get things built in the time frame that we want them to have it built?

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And that's

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where I think a lot of it. council is frustrated is that we are three years down the road and neither one of these projects have shoveled any dirt.

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So how do we get away from that RFP process on the development process?

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do we...

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We would

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do an RFQ and In the future, we would do an RFQ.

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‸ It

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doesn't require any policy change on our part.

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an RFQ

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No, no, no.

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are owned. One's owned by the CRA. One is owned by the city. Both of the properties are within the redevelopment area. So, statutorily, the city is required, or the CRA, depending on who owns the property, is required to invite proposals regarding the disposition of the property.

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By saying that, that does not necessarily mean that the CRA or the city cannot consider qualifications.

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embedded in

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the

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process,

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but

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this is not your routine development agreement because property is owned by the city or the agency.

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sale of the property, they need to get adequate proposals to determine whether or not they want to convey the property to a developer for redevelopment purposes. So, you're right,

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qualifications are important, but proposals are likewise very important to the disposition of the property.

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Okay. Because

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area, and the property was specifically acquired by the city for redevelopment purposes.

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of property process

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unlike just normal circumstances where a private property owner comes in, I want to develop this private property,

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agreement. Different situation.

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And we sure don't want to do anything to draw attention to the CRA, that's for sure.

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I'm sorry, Matt, go ahead. Yeah, I just wanted to add a little bit, something to just think about. We had two RFPs that we issued. We had a total of three respondents. One respondent for the former City Hall site, of which we're basically giving away the property near the core of Cocoa Village, some of our highest valued property in the city, but yet we have one respondent. ‸ And the other site, two respondents. You would think, with those kind of opportunities, you'd receive more respondents. You have more competition for that type of project. So maybe there's something that we can evaluate as far as promoting that property and ‸ putting it out there to just like, you know, recruiting a new employee, casting a wider net, you know, try to attract different developers from even outside the area for those projects.

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from the downturn, you know, and we were just trying to get back on our feet, everyone. So, yeah. So where are we? I'll just tell you, man, I just...

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That was kind of an informational thing, right, Nancy? That was the purpose of that?

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Yes. Okay.

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staff was asked to provide information. ‸ Certainly what I would recommend is that could we get with the developer, provide a timeline of when we could complete the draft and get it executed and provide it to council to see if that's acceptable, and similar to what we did.

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That would be part of the agreement

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that prior to transfer, we could do that.

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Yeah, I just...

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I mean, I like the project.

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‸ Yeah, I like the project.

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doing

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something That

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we ‸ move forward and we're doing something ‸ instead of just sitting on this stuff, man, because ‸ we're not getting anything from it. I mean, taxes, tax dollars or nothing, just like a lot of these other vacant lots we got throughout the city from homes that's been torn down. It's just... Well,

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I just have a quick question.

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council seen ‸ the developer originally when the project first came before us, They ‸ put out a video of the design ‸ and the concept of the development and if you just Google,

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or something, ‸ that video will probably come up because I know you guys have probably not seen what the previous council saw when they brought all the concepts and stuff over, But it's a really great video that kind of shows what their ‸ idea was. So what was it,

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Yeah, if you... Yeah.

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The architect that's involved is, from what I understand, you know, again,

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People don't get as excited about what I show them, but from what I understand, they've earned a couple awards, they've, you know, written this property and this project up for publication and,

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Yeah. So... Thank

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you so much. No problem. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Mayor, perhaps one of the things we could do is get a timeline from the developer because certainly, I'm sure that if the timeframe was extended beyond what Council's desire is to develop the property, you would want to take a look at that as far as how quickly we would be moving,

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how

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quickly the developer would be moving on the project. ‸ Maybe that would help, too.

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that was something we were getting

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What's going on with the Villas? What's going on? There's nothing happening there. I've been saying it for two weeks. Nothing's happening there. And I was like, you know more than I know. I said I have no clue

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that part of anything. I let the staff do what they do and I just ask questions.

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And

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So, but, okay, yeah, that worked. That's fine. That's

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This right here is just some directions, right?

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can move on to item number three, which is considered a reappointment of Nancy Elliott as a regular member of the Board of Adjustments through May 2023.

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Motion to approve.

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You got a motion from...

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she here?

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I want to raise one issue.

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Okay, I'll second it. We get a motion

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and then...

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I put my light on ‸ because I just wanted to make a point. I'm going to keep bringing the point back. I'll be quick. I really want to see us generate more interest, more citizen participation, more volunteer leadership, and I think we do that through our committees, and I think we need to make sure that they are dynamic, and I... You know,

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you know, what we have in our code in regard to this.

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reappoint, And this has nothing to do ‸ with Georgia. Of course, Nancy, I support Nancy, but the issue is that there are people interested in these volunteer positions, and there's no place for them to go, and I would bet if you looked at our committees, we don't even have six people that are under 60 years old. I mean, because...

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and I understand that some committees really require the kind of background and experience, and where that's the case, then we should definitely continue to reappoint, But we're at a different point in our development where we have volunteers coming to us that want to be involved, and there's no place for them to get involved.

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‸ And

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least if we advertised

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ahead of time, And let me just say one more thing, because we will, with the Space Coast Transportation Planning Organization, our representative, it turned out that we actually had three people That's what I was going

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say, we actually had three people

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apply.

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We keep going places, you know, asking people to get involved.

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You need

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to start advertising or posting...

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No, it's only on the website that they can contact the clerk's office when we have openings.

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I'd just like to point out that on this, we did, on this TPO, we did get one applicant under 60, so that's encouraging.

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Okay, we got a motion and we got a second. All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? It passes unanimously. Okay, we can move on to item number four. Consider reappointment of Mr. George Brown as a regular member

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through

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May

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2023. I wanted to have discussion on that.

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we have anybody under 90 on that board?

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discuss it in terms of posting committee applications? Motion to approve, George.

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motion to approve, George. We

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‸ got a motion from

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a... I believe it's just a procedural matter. Okay. You know, so...

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Yeah. So we

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can post these going forward. Okay.

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That's it, administrator. ‸ When

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a committee position becomes available, it will be posted for 30 days and then...

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Councilwoman Warner, all in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? 2023, Mr. Brown.

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Can

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the council?

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I don't know, George. No? We're doing a marathon. Oh, no. George was around when we had council meetings

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can say something real

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quick if you don't mind, if you want to.

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I just want... ‸ Most of the folks here know me. If I make the end of this term, I'm going to be on the board 40 years. 40. Okay? I've never missed a meeting.

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Never

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missed one meeting because it's important to me. Now, as far as some of the people wanting to get on the board, they get on the board and they don't show up. You know, I mean, I show up. Our chairman, Jim Gifford, he's always... We've got some good board. We've never had to call a meeting because we didn't have a quota. Never.

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And that would definitely be considered...

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‸ Believe me. Now, there's one other thing I wanted to say, please.

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Wow. And

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I think George was actually...

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Thank you, George. Thank you very much.

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George.

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You owe me donuts.

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Okay, we're going to move on to item number five.

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did vote on that, right?

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Yeah. It's been

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that long?

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We voted on George, yeah. ‸ We're

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on five.

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Okay. Consider the appointment of two of the fallen

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primary and alternate member for the Space Coast TPO Citizen Advisory Committee. CAC, Stephanie Murata, Sarah Conklin, and Greg Stoll.

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So this one was advertised. It's on our city's website for interest. This is in a city board, so y'all are going to select a primary and alternate, and then we'll submit that to the TPO.

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I don't know Greg Stoll, but I do know Stephanie and Sarah both. I think Stephanie lives in my district, and Sarah lives in Councilwoman

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and I think Greg Stoll may live

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district, too, based on his address. But based on Mrs. Coss' comments, I think if we don't appoint Stephanie, we're losing an opportunity to get somebody young involved. And I know Sarah is really, really devoted to transportation, and ‸ I love some of her ideas. So, like I said, I don't know Greg. Hopefully somebody can...

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Greg has been through our Citizen Academy, and he has been my primary advisor on all the train stuff. Okay.

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East Coast Railway Society, and that's why I really thought of him when this became available, because he's been looking for a way to get involved and hasn't served on a committee before. Of course, Sarah Ann is an advocate for SCAT

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has been involved in that.

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Sarah as the alternate.

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Stephanie, because she has... there wasn't that background.

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Okay.

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Second.

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I think Stephanie would make good.

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I made a motion, yes.

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mayor made a second. And any discussions

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I think we can find a place to get young people like Stephanie involved. Yeah.

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‸ Okay.

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If there's no more discussions then, we get a motion and then we get a second. All in favor, signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed? It passes unanimously. Okay. We're going to move on to item number six. I thought we were done with our

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‸ It's the end of the year. Oh, is it really?

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Oh, okay. Okay. ‸ Consider the reappointment

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as a regular member of the US-1 CRA through the sunset date of agency, which will be on before September the 3rd of 2020.

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Motion to approve. Second.

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We get a motion from Councilwoman Warner, a second from

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All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Passes unanimously. Okay. Item number seven. Seek council direction on holding public and private events at city facilities after June 3rd, ‸ 2020.

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Hi, Mayor and Council. This is, like you said, to seek Council direction on holding our public and private events which have been on hold because of the COVID-19 pandemic

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This agenda item was written before of the last announcement from the governor which we have moved into phase two. The limits on events per the Phase

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recommendations are a limit of 50 in gatherings. However, the governor did say in his press conference that if someone were to, he specifically said funerals and weddings were to attend or want to hold one of those events that have larger crowds, that he would put the onus on them to make sure that their attendees are safe. Masks, temperature checks, those types of things. So, ‸ we're seeking council direction on moving forward with events past June 30th.

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So, how do we, I mean, how do we make sure, what do we do, what efforts that we make to make sure that they're doing what they should be doing, using city facilities?

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The applicants, or they have to submit an application, We

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consistent with CDC guidance related to their event, and they could submit that to staff?

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types of events too. We have, you know, our public events which are typically held at the park or in Cocoa Village and then we also have our private events, which are held at the Civic Center

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So, you know, I listed here the actual public events that we have going on, but we also have private events that have been postponed or canceled as well.

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Thank you. So, you're asking if we want to continue, or if we want to open those things up consistent with the governor's guidelines and the CDC guidelines basically?

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Yeah, we need direction as far as can we permit these events to continue to happen. We have events that are booked in our facilities past June 30th and so they're looking for direction.

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Well, the way the cases are building up right now, I don't know, you go to Orlando, the cases are starting to accumulate again.

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I wouldn't push it right now because, you know, you put the city liable or what? I don't know. I just

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so many events

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are going back up now that's why I wouldn't wait till August.

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is right now, but I...

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But I would wait till August to cover the city.

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Well, I think with private events we don't have a... If we go ahead and open it up for private events and we just, like Matt said, in the agreement make sure that they follow the ‸ guidelines the governor, does that absolve us from responsibility?

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mean, Anthony's probably the person

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mean, ‸ what's our risk here in dealing with this?

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I think if we're going to go ahead and authorize private events then we probably would be wise to at least have like a COVID-19 identity and waiver and hold harmless with respect to facility use agreements. That's right.

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Well, the challenge with public events is

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feasible, you would theoretically attempt to get waivers and hold harmless agreements signed by participants. I know some communities that we represent they're opening up parks programs and requiring that participants sign communicable disease slash COVID-19 releases and hold harmless before individuals participate.

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That's kind of hard to do on big public events.

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feasible. I don't know.

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be through August

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must have been reading my notes here. Did you see my notes or something? No, I didn't.

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Anthony, but ‸ I just think that, you know, as

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as we ‸ follow the CDC requirements and guidelines and,

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think about it, John?

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chief back up.

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I certainly agree with what the city attorney said. One, having the wording for private events in there would certainly cover the city, and I think, just like Matt said, putting that

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in that would help us. Public events are going to be much harder. If you look at

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doing now when they opened downtown Disney, they're requiring temperature checks before they go in. They're requiring a lot of those things, so it would require staff a lot more time to monitor that, have, hold harmless agreements signed. You know, when you really start looking at it,

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an intensive undertaking to take for a public event.

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but if you continue to watch what CDC guidance is, you know, it seems, unfortunately, to be changing week to week as we start to learn more about this

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but I think also one of the biggest things that

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continued to put is we see a second strain of a much harder strain of this hitting us come the wintertime. So if you look at the current state our nation is in when it comes to equipment, PPE, things of that nature,

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So anytime you look at something like that, the unknown is the unknown, but the most important thing is what are we doing to protect our citizens and our community and

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on the side of caution is always the best thing to do.

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I'll certainly leave that at the city council's discretion, but

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to get consent forms signed by anyone participating in that, temperature checks, things of that nature to follow along within the CDC guidelines.

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I not only think about the things that we do, I also think about, like, you know, the craft fairs and the things that other people do in the village and, you know, the 5Ks and, you know, the walks and stuff and, I mean,

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and stuff, but I mean, a 5K, a walk, you know, are there certain things that we could allow? I mean,

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there were so few people that were not wearing a mask, you know, I'm like, wow, people really get it, that, you know, if you're going to be out and doing something like that, you need to at least have a mask on, so, I mean, I don't remember off the top of my head, this is coming up on June, we don't have as many outdoor events in June, but is there anything that ‸ we possibly could, like if we had the Buddy Walk or 5K or something like that that's outdoors and not necessarily a crowd?

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right now,

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the only things that we have planned, there's the ‸ sip and stroll, which they use the gazebo, but ‸ it's also store to store, which

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You have the Dirty

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anniversary party, American Cancer

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for Life, and then an overdose awareness memorial that was planned, and I know that ‸ Village Idiot wants to reschedule, they've already contacted us because they want to reschedule their 5K. They also wanted and are planning, hoping to do a concert to help support some of the employees who have been put out from the stay-at-home order and closure of some of the businesses, so

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They want to do a fundraising concert

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support people who have lost their jobs or were out of work for a couple of weeks, so we've been kind of on hold waiting to see how we can proceed after June 30th. Now,

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far, I mean, same thing with private events,

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mean,

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and it would be difficult for us to be able to require a monitor for every single person that attends one of those. If it was just ‸ the person who's holding the private event, we would have to sign something that ‸ we could definitely manage, but having to monitor and track who comes in and out of private events and if they have a form signed,

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could be difficult.

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Well,

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or people use our village or park for events, don't we have an insurance requirement? For them, they have to carry insurance. So if we had the person holding the event, if

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wasn't the city holding the public event like

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and we had the person holding the event sign the same thing we had the people holding private events sign,

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I mean, we make them carry insurance, so.

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‸ On ‸ the actual event holder?

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Yeah, the event holder has to.

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holder would sign, I

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mean,

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they have to provide insurance. There's a general indemnity

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‸ in

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the facilities use agreement, but for this specific situation, it would be advisable to do a COVID-19 specific release in whole harmless, and if

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open up the facilities, I'm assuming the city may even want to post some notices ‸ on the facility itself, so people that come in, the guests that come in, have certain CDC advisories, I mean, putting that up would also be helpful.

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‸ Maybe there are any lawyers or advertisement that they put out.

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more meeting this month, right?

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‸ Problem is just planning.

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know, that's the biggest thing, you know, you have weddings that are scheduled for like the second week in July. Well,

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and I don't have any issue with letting the private events go forward with Anthony and Jonathan's recommendations, that's fine, but I would like to start to get back to some of these outdoor public events that are sponsored by other people, so

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Yeah, but I ‸ would say if we go ahead and allow the private events, provided we follow the guidelines that Anthony just

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and then maybe at our next meeting in June, bring us back a list of events that might be able to take place, the 5Ks, the thing that the village idiot wants to do, what

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wants to do, those, the

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and stroll, those things, with a plan for how we can manage those as safely as possible. I mean, I would not hesitate to attend Sip and Stroll myself.

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and I might look to see who was in there and who was wearing a mask before I went in, but it would still be nice to have, to be able to have those things, and to allow people to kind of get back to some sense of normalcy.

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mean, this is kind of a busy time, so maybe we could, Emma obviously has something to say about

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And that's kind of what I'm asking Samantha, if she can bring us a plan of how we can do some of these outdoor events safely like you guys have planned, that we could maybe look at them as individual events, not just saying yes, we're going to do public events, but yes, we're going to do these specific events because we think we can do these events safely.

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‸ But

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I have no objections to opening up for private events, provided we have an indemnity like Anthony suggested.

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What ‸ about an event that's ‸ sports training?

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was one of the big things

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we have to keep in mind,

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that gatherings are 50 or under, which I believe

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are going to be way under that anyway, so

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So we're talking about gatherings that would be over that ‸ limit, because right now the phase two, the restrictions are 50.

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Okay. You want what

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I hope he doesn't charge us. He needs to recharge.

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should get a prize.

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Okay, we're going to move on to city business nine, item number one. Approve the participation in the FDL evolution charging station program and authorize the interim city matrix. Keep ‸ associated agreement. Motion approved. Second. Get a motion

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the mayor, second from Councilman

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All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye.

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Good night, Bart. Go home, go to sleep. Thank you. I'm so sorry you had to stay here for that.

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approve. Approve item number two, approve budget transfer from general fund contingency to the community service contract services account. Second. We get a motion from Councilman

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from Councilwoman Cost. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed?

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unanimously.

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three, through. Item number three, approve an interlocal agreement with Bavar County for CARES Act funding and authorizing city managers to submit authorized expenditures for reimbursement under the federal guidance established by the U.S. Department of Treasury.

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got a motion from Councilman

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from Councilwoman ‸ Cost. All in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye. Motion

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unanimously. I got one other thing real quick there, Matt, if we can.

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on the

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And of course we canceled our

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‸ and I know that they were looking for some sponsors. I mean, ‸ I'm not talking about sponsoring an entire event, but just some sponsoring. I know that, you know, while it's not putting on the event, we've saved a little money and I don't know what their levers of sponsorships are. But if we can maybe participate and have it out a little bit, it will be, you know.

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I actually spoke with

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that could be involved with getting involved on the 4th of July because we have canceled our event. But we did talk about possibly incorporating that into the opening of the

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and incorporating a concert that we could sponsor at that event. So she's going to get me a proposal with the amount ‸ that she would need to do something like that and we're going to look at that.

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great. Because

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I didn't think it would, ‸ I saw some of those emails and I didn't think, I'm thinking, man, what ‸ kind of problem would we run into?

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You

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know, I mean, it's, you know,

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a reason why we canceled 4th of July because we had to either make a decision back then, we didn't know what was going to happen. It was just cut and dry. And so, but anyway, okay. Yeah, so

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she's sending it to me.

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Hold on one minute. She's

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sending me her proposal.

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Okay. We got a motion and a second. All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Passes.

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