Stand beside him and help him to move this city forward. We're looking for greatness, God, and it will take us to unify in every area of this city. And tonight we thank you for the outcome. We thank you for the great godly ideas that have gone forth this night. And we give you the glory and the honor for the victory of this city. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen.
I
pledge
allegiance
to the flag of the United States
of America
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Thank you, ‸ ma'am. Adam Clerk, roll call, please.
Mayor Williams.
Present.
Deputy Mayor Warner.
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Here.
Councilman Goins.
Here.
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Here. City Attorney Garganese.
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Assistant City Manager,
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here.
Thank
you.
Thank you, ma'am. Our next item up is approval of our agenda
agenda
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minutes. Yes, sir. All
control.
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Mr. Mayor. Council,
Mr.
Mayor, remove item 3, under ‸ 3.2, awards and presentations.
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Under item, the consent agenda, we're going to remove item number 2. And we're ‸ not going to remove, we're going to ‸ add it to item number, city business 7, or excuse me, 8.5. 8.5. No.
‸ 8.4.
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Sorry,
correction. Yeah, 8.4. And then we will be removing, moving item, or adding item 8.5, which is the acceptance of the fire grant that the fire chief announced at the last meeting. It's to receive the revenue,
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that we have received that grant.
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Okay, yes, I'll
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We
are, we are, it's not retabling, but we're removing, and we'll bring it back at either ‸ the next meeting or the meeting right after. Council business side number 2, ‸ the resolution providing for the waiver of building permit fees related to solar, voltaic, installation.
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into the resolution. Thank you, sir.
I make a motion that we accept the agenda, just keeping the agenda with the amendments. Second.
We got a, we
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All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed?
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Okay, we're going to move on to our minutes from our regular meeting of
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What
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Motion to approve.
We
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Second.
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All in favor, signify by saying ‸ aye.
Aye.
Opposed? It passes unanimously. Okay, we're going to move on to our presentation.
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And I tell you,
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heading this up. ‸ And from a council standpoint. So ‸ I'm going
to
let her go ahead and do
her thing. Thank
you for that.
This is fun stuff. And the logo is behind me, along with the GoFundMe site as well. I am so proud ‸ to introduce the Coco Tigers Chorus. They are the only Florida high school to be invited to perform in Carnegie Hall next fall for the 9-11 commemoration.
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I'm left in this wide world, this wide world
alone. God,
no hope. God, no hope
for
tomorrow. I am a pilgrim of sorrow, trying to make it, make heaven my
home. I am a pilgrim, a
pilgrim
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Sometimes I just don't know which way
to turn. Oh, I've
heard
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‸ Sometimes
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Sometimes I just don't know which way to turn.
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I'd like to introduce, of course, Dr. Misty Martinez is the chorus conductor. And behind every great chorus, behind every great conductor is a great principal, Principal Wilson.
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I just want to make an announcement.
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Cocoa Tiger alumni herself. Well, she wasn't able to be with us tonight because she's opening a show at the Playhouse this evening, but she asked me to make this announcement. The historic Cocoa Village Playhouse is working jointly with Cocoa High School to have a concert featuring the Cocoa High School Chorus. The purpose is not only to feature this very talented group of young people, but to also raise funds in order for them to travel to Carnegie Hall in October to reform. The date hasn't been set yet, but we are anticipating the end of August or the beginning of September, and we will have information to you after May 26th. So we encourage everyone to move forward in supporting the students to have this opportunity, because you know, it takes a village to get our kids to Carnegie Hall.
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or not? I think we're probably, we're a very big group.
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I gotta stand on
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I
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Oh, you're fine.
You
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little run in.
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The GoFundMe site is right above me. If you have an interest, and I hope you will join us at the ‸ concert in August or September at the historic Cocoa Village Theater.
There you go. All right. That was absolutely incredible. We're going to move on to our delegations. Our first speaker
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and Pam Shea. They're going to do it together. And get you all the ladies to state your name and addresses.
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Good evening. I'm Pam Shea.
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So this evening, we are here to invite the City of
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everyone to attend our Giving Tuesday. If you're not familiar with Giving Tuesday, we started that about four months or so ago in the Village Merchants Association here at Cocoa Village. And so the first Tuesday of each month, the Food and Beverage Organization, which is part of the historic Cocoa Village Association, has been pairing up
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And then sponsoring a charitable ‸ organization.
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up with Ryan's. So the first Tuesday of the month will be with Ryan's. Okay. It's a ticketed event from 5 to 7. A selected menu.
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the Red Cross and their programs for the ‸ students and the swimming. Okay.
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So and Connie will talk to that. So I'm going to pass out flyers for all you guys to have and ladies to put in your offices and everywhere.
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and how excited we are to have
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Okay. Thank you. Thank
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and the Giving Tuesday. It's an opportunity
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of death for kids in the state of Florida. And this is a chance for us to get in front of a broad audience and talk about the fact that drowning is a problem and the steps that they need to take in order to make certain that they stay safe in and around the water.
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our aquatic centennial campaign here in Brevard County in partnership with Brevard County Parks and Recreation. And
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Brevard County Parks and Recreation Department that are in our neighborhood strategy areas
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will be transported to the Jolie Smith Park pool throughout the summer so that they can learn the life skill of swimming. And there is no doubt that swimming lessons save lives and that, you know, that it will literally save lives here. So we hope that you all will come out and join us, participate in the National Water Safety Month activities that will be going on here in the city and International Water Safety Day. But we really are excited. Thank
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for making the Red Cross Aquatic Centennial Campaign the Charity of Choice.
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Do what?
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Thank you. You're welcome. Anybody else in the audience like a flyer? Thank you.
Okay. Next up we have
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Melissa Martin. Hello.
Good evening, good evening. Good evening.
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So some of you might know I'm currently involved with a project. It's TBD, how successful it will be, but it's called Civility Brevard. And what we're doing, and it's mostly being held on Facebook, we're trying to regrow our skills of civic and civil discourse, especially between folks who vehemently oppose each other, sometimes and oftentimes, unfortunately, on a personal level. So what we're trying to do is ‸ just bring back a few of the skills that we may have forgotten and ‸ reinstitute that ‸ as our normal again, what we expect of each other. And our next, we had one event earlier this month, and it was a great success. We had folks hovering around open mics down in Melbourne, but everyone was very gracious in talking with each other and finding out where perspectives lied, laid, lie, whatever. So
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information. I don't necessarily believe in trickle-down economics, but I am a big believer in trickle-down leadership.
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or commander's statement to set the tone. And so what I'm hoping, since we have some stuff going on at the national level, state level, even county level, of some of our vitriol spilling out into the official meetings, which we all know is not really appropriate, I'm hoping to
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and you can call it recommitment if you wish.
I
know everybody already knows what's going on, but I think it's important to make a statement in the public, for the public view and for public discussion, that this is what we believe, this is what we will adhere to from now on, and these are our standards, and we hope you'll follow us. So I'm going to just hand this over, and please let me know if you have any questions.
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as a concerned resident of
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Last week I learned of 35,000 plus cost savings for the city. I want to make sure you are aware and that you and your utilities and public works departments have the opportunity to follow up. In my role as a consultant, I've recently been working with the Midas Companies, a leading full service provider of water and sewer rehabilitation services based in the Metro DC area with a division in Palm Beach, Florida. As it turns out, Midas is in discussions, excuse me, with Corolla engineers in Orlando to rehab 1800 manholes in Cocoa, approximately 700,000
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Relying on an engineering firm to serve as a go-between to manage this type of work can lead to excess and avoidable costs in a couple of ways. They may spec sub-optimal materials because they don't actually do the work and therefore don't
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This is a potential savings of 5%.
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savings. On top of that,
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I don't know if that's hourly or lump sum. Either way, it is unlikely to be a small number. So that's 35,000 avoidable costs,
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just on the scope of this work. So what I am suggesting is I would like to put you and the right people on the city staff in contact with
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forward on all of our water utility needs. And he looks forward to hearing from you.
Thank you, ma'am.
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Yeah.
It is? I'll get a copy of it.
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Okay, thank you.
Thank
you. Okay,
next up we have Sam Claiborne, Cocoa Youth Athletes.
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Hello. My name is Samuel Claiborne. Thank you, ma'am. Again, I wanna ‸ thank you all for your kind donations to athletes,
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There's some issues we have at the park.
But
first I wanna ‸ go with, I'll tell you a story.
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I grew up in
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And the relationships, you know, my mom had six kids, single parent home. The relationship I had with my coaches who helped me pay for me to play is what made me eligible for that. And through that, I became a productive citizen. Right now, the issues that we have at the field with the league is vastly coming close to the season to start. We took the right steps and went through the right levels of authority to, hey, this is the issue, this is what we all...
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And right now, we're two months, three months in, waiting on them to respond and get these issues fixed. We're coming to you and asking you if you could get in touch with those who
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to do the right thing so we can be ready for the season to start. Because again, with the relationship that we have with the kids in our community can eventually lead to productive citizens and less misfortune going on in our community.
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to go to their house and make sure they're all right, to go to their school and make sure their class and school grades are up to par. And this is what we're
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between the community, the coaches, with public officials, ‸ with the police force and everything. Again, we're trying to just build relationships so we can have a good facility to where we can function as an organization that's serving the community, not just for ourselves but the betterment of everybody.
Thank you, sir. Who is that ‸ contact
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The contact has been Richard ‸ Tucci. And I'm Alicia
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Every other field that is within Brevard County has
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We are looking at decades-old material at Stradley, holes in the walls, floors about to fall through.
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can, but we really need for our city leaders, because talking to the county, the county says it's the city, ‸ and then going back and forth, and we're not getting anywhere.
‸ But
our kids deserve better.
Mr. Claiborne, ‸ I'll tell you,
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appreciate all that you do. I appreciate all that your coaches and your staff do. I've been out there. ‸ I actually came out there and talked to some of the parents out there and some of the coaches, and I've sat in my vehicle and watched some of your practices out there. ‸ And those are some of the inequities that I talk about that we see in our community, not just with our schools and ‸ roads and sidewalks, ‸ but also in our athletic facilities or our parks. So we know about it, and we will be talking ‸ to ‸ the powers that be and addressing some of those issues. Because we've been having some discussion with reference to our parks already.
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We're trying to right some wrongs that's been done over a number of years. So, ‸ thank you.
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Anything
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I just, I know, I'm having a lot of conversation with the county about all of our parks within the city. So maybe we could set up something, like, really soon with to have a meeting with them and
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So if we actually ‸ can see it and see something tangible, you know. But sometimes, you know, they're calling, ‸ I know they are probably a lot. And a lot of times they push the buck on the city a lot, you know, pretty much all the time.
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I did go out there and have a look at the facilities.
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And notice the same conditions present.
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jurisdiction. So code enforcement from the city, well, we can pass the information on to them.
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But the press box, I'm surprised anyone went up
the
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time was, they were even watered. So, yeah, there were some fairly minor things that I think they could correct, at least for the time being. But we are working with them on the overall maintenance agreement. But this can be addressed a little bit more immediately as far as the specific requests that you have. So ‸ we work with them.
And we do know, I think they're ‸ still sharing the field with the rugby folks, right? No. They have moved out. They have moved out. Okay. Okay.
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Thank you very much. Thank you. ‸ Thank
you. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. That's how we find out things. We, it's folks like you coming up and making us aware of some things that are happening other than us coming here talking about it. Because sometimes the people take it as though we're just complaining and they don't see anyone behind the, behind the issues that we're bringing forward.
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the issues. And we actually hear them bring it to the council, instead of us bringing it to the council.
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I'd like to thank Mayor Williams, the city
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few minutes of your time to share my experience from last week. And an opinion that I have about city council meetings. So I spent all of last week in Tallahassee with fellow union members from throughout our fair state participating with Florida AFL CIO, Working Families Lobby Corps. And while my interest primarily lies here at home with Cocoa politics and policies rather than state and or national politics. I find it necessary to trek to Tallahassee at least annually to meet with the folks who are getting paid to represent us. I'm pleased to report that our newly elected state representative Ciro's is sponsoring House Bill 2163 to provide appropriations to Cocoa High School for their upcoming new construction program.
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the state senate. And it was my pleasure to meet with both our representative and senator and I truly hope that Mayor Williams will invite them to visit with us after the session for a full Tallahassee report. So I am confident that both our state legislators understand that we are all in this together, that we must find common ground to work together, and that we all care deeply about Brevard County and our cities. Otherwise, none of us would be doing what we are doing. So a few things to consider. Unlike our nonpartisan city council, there are two main political parties elected to our state legislature. Like our city council, each legislator is elected by a majority of his or her constituents to perform their job in a professional manner and to observe the will of the people. Whether or not a voter voted for an elected official does not excuse that elected officer from serving their constituents to the best of their ability. And at this time, I must tell you all that about the decorum that was exuded by all members of both parties in our Florida legislature, not only during their respective House and Senate sessions, but also in committee meetings. Debate, questions and answers were called on by the chair, ‸ the speaker. Members politely referenced items, asked questions and or answered items as they were addressed. They shared opinions and reasons for their opinions. By this process of good manners and appropriate behavior, onlooking members of the public were able to follow along. Also noteworthy is that the state elected officials never took an accusatory note with their fellow lawmakers. Personal matters were not addressed on the State House or Senate floors. No one raised their voice. Everyone remained calm and discussed business and voted. And so to repeat myself, decorum prevailed and I was delighted.
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lesson from the 160 persons who occupy our state legislature and not from the DC crowd. Thank you and I look forward to a pleasant meeting this evening.
Thank you, ma'am.
Thank you.
Okay, that's uh, there's no more cards. Okay, and we're gonna move on to our consent agenda. What is the wishes of the council?
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We got a motion from Councilman
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second that.
We
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All in favor signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed? It passes unanimously. We're going to move on to our public hearing. And let's pass on
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Shooting range, I'll let the city attorney. You need to read that in? ‸ I
do, Mayor. Ordinance number 04-2019, an ordinance of the city council
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amending appendix A, article 11, section 19 of the zoning ordinance
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as a permitted use subject to certain conditions, including ancillary retail sales and restaurant, providing for the repeal of prior and consistent ordinances and resolutions incorporation into the code severability and an effective date. And as you noted, Mayor, this is first reading of this ordinance. It's also a public hearing item. Yes, sir.
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you're on stage. It's
on my screen.
There
we go. Okay. Right. So this amendment was precipitated by a project that was proposed for as an indoor shooting range, not yet titled, that would include a retail store component as well as a restaurant. A business model is similar to another operation
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At the present time, we have no provision in our code for indoor shooting ranges as a use. So what we're proposing is in the M2 district to incorporate text under the permitted uses 12D, and we would add number five,
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to be permitted with the following conditions. A, that all firing takes place within a completely enclosed building, and B, that a site plan application for the development of the range should be included in a plan by
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demonstrating the building is both soundproof and appropriately designed for the use. So that's the text we're proposing. As you know, for any text amendment, we look at the need and justification for the change and the consistency with the comprehensive plan. Currently, outdoor firearm testing facilities are permitted as a special exception in both M1 and M2 districts if they are ancillary to a permitted firearm manufacturing use. The staff report for that ordinance recommended the use as a special exception to ensure that such facilities wouldn't be located within close proximity of a residential area. ‸ Primary concern being, obviously, the protection of the surrounding community and the environment. Florida statues cover shooting ranges. They, sorry, their state regulates this to encourage state handling and operation of firearms and mandates appropriate training for safe use
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firing for anyone licensed to carry concealed firearms and anyone licensed to hunt in the state.
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at sports shooting and training ranges and, in addition, environmental effects of the projectiles. However, the zoning ordinance regarding siting of sites ranges continues to be permitted. We've incorporated in your staff report an article from OSHA on lead hazards. There have also been two other areas, the
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and Title 40 Code of Federal Regulations that regulate this as well.
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ranges. In consistency with a comprehensive plan,
we
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be regarded as appropriate locations for businesses that might have adverse secondary effects on residential areas, religious establishments, schools, parks, or daycare centers located in the city.
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and jobs in the city. The Planning and Zoning Board recommended approval of the text amendment at their meeting on April 9th of 2019. And our recommendation is
passed
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the zoning text amendment to allow indoor shooting ranges as a permitted use subject to certain conditions, including ancillary retail sales and restaurant in the M2 zoning district.
Thank you, ma'am. And I'd like to say that if you weren't in attendance of our Planning and Zoning Board meeting, every question you can imagine,
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they ask that question, the developer. And ‸ I was just impressed with them. I mean, I've always been impressed with those guys, but I applaud them. And that being said, I'm going to, you guys can either comment now or open ‸ to the public. Yeah,
I'd just like to, well, because this includes a restaurant where they serve beer and wine. Correct. Are there other places that do that as well?
There are. There is a place in Melbourne called Frog Bones. Same basic model of a ‸ shooting, indoor shooting range with retail sales, and then also a restaurant that serves, they have a full bar. Our code is, you know, going to be limited to beer and wine, but that's our present text. But they do.
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basic, you know, model. And they have no incidents? Not that I've been able to ascertain, no.
And from my understanding, there's a lot of checks and balances there, a lot of security stuff in place because of the insurance.
Correct.
And so,
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If
he can come up and we can get him to just say a few words. Yes, sir, if he can come up and just say a few words.
‸ Okay. You can grab the mic.
Because I'm sure some folks are curious about this whole project when you're talking about, you know, the restaurant with maybe some drinks and then shooting. ‸ But I heard the presentation, so if you can.
Okay, my name's Bob Scales, [address], Cocoa Beach, Florida.
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a beer and shoot.
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modern ranges, is that the staff is equipped to look for that. And there's some protections in play.
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they get a UV stamp, waterproof UV stamp on their hand, and then everyone's hand is scanned prior to going into the range. Secondary to that, and since the P&Z meeting, we've actually introduced another technology whereby everybody that goes to have a drink has their license scanned, and that information reports over to the range as well. So there's two tiers, physical checks and balances, if you will. But secondary to that, the staff is trained to not only look for any type of impairment, certainly alcohol impairment, which is probably three or four steps above what an indoor range that didn't have any of those protections in place.
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and walk in, and it's not going to be expected. In this case, it's something that everyone is focused on, and part of the enjoyment is to go and enjoy shooting and then have a hamburger and a beer and go home. Thank you, sir.
But anyway, I'm going to go ahead and
close it to the council at this time and open to the public for any public comments. So closing it to the council and open to the public for public comments. Yes, sir. And if I can have you fill out a card before you leave, we should appreciate it. Yeah.
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I just have a comment on the wording that soundproof is not enforceable.
I
think you ought to change it to a given dB at a certain distance from the building.
Thank you, sir. Thank you.
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That's why I'm interested.
Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah.
And I can tell you that ‸ was one of the questions that was brought up there, and I don't know if you want to address that about the sound.
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It's going to industrial areas. That's an excellent question and certainly a concern everyone has.
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50-mile radius, one thing that's very interesting to note, two of them are adjacent to residential areas.
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So sound control is very important. This particular building will be completely concrete, including the roof, and there's sound attenuation on the inside as well. So, you know, arguably, and if you go to some of the new facilities, as you walk by them, you literally do not hear anything. ‸ So sound is very important. It's important to us, and ‸ we understand and appreciate that, and ‸ that's a consideration and a design element of the facility. Thank you, sir.
Any other public comments? ‸ If not, we're going to close it to the public at this time and reopen it to the council. Any comments from the council? We
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in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? It passes
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you, sir. We're
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Ma'am, could you just kind of explain a little bit? Because there was a question. I know we talked about it, but you and I.
Of
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also Council, so it was advertised. And so there was some discussion as far as stormwater and also parking. So we've since worked that all out, and it will be on the May 1st. May 1st.
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PNZ, and then the May 22nd council meeting.
Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Can I get a motion to postpone this until?
Motion.
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All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? It passes unanimously. We're moving on
the
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Council ‸ business. Let's approve resolution providing for a temporary waiver for building permit fees related to ‸ building structural damage caused ‸ by the hellstorm that occurred on
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That
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So, and it's just basically just waiving the permit fees for anyone that can show that they had damage during the hellstorm.
I make a motion.
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All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Passes ‸ unanimously. We're going to move on to city business. And
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Vacating a portion of the right-of-way of a Riverside Drive.
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So, St. Mark's Church is requesting a ‸ vacation of a portion of the right-of-way for Riverside Drive. It's in Appendix A, or Exhibit A, excuse me, in your ‸ agenda. The church presently owns the parcel of land abutting this section of the right-of-way, as well as the ‸ parcel on the north side of Church Street, where the church and the school buildings related to the church are located. This vacation is a roughly triangular portion of right-of-way. It was originally used for an extension of Riverside Drive that ran north from this intersection along the waterfront behind where we now have the Civic Center.
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ultimately provided a connection to 520, where ‸ River Edge Boulevard crosses Harrison Street. As a result of the development of the park, the roadway connection no longer exists, and there's no anticipated need for the use of this portion of right-of-way as a roadway. So, this is a piece of survey that shows you that portion of the road to be ‸ vacated.
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It's a little hard to read, but there on the east side of the project. The city will need to retain a utility easement over the right-of-way in order to maintain city water, sewer, and reuse facilities. And the recommendation is approval of the vacation.
Okay.
Thank you.
Yes, ma'am.
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Yeah, I just wanted to... Now, this will still allow for public access in that whole corridor because people ride their bikes and they walk down
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Right. This is just a... It's really a grassy area. It isn't even paved. And the... Here, let me back up the slide for you.
And how was it impacted by the storm, the last storm? It was not... You know, I don't know. I
wasn't here with the city. I was... In
that particular corner, there were, I believe, two vessels that did... Two or three vessels that did come ashore there. And you may remember there was pretty significant vegetation in that corner. When they did the removal, they did scale that back a little bit. But
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that corner.
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pipe that runs underneath Church Street there, just to the north of it. But there ‸ were no failures or anything associated with that.
Okay. So there's still going to be public access ‸ through that corridor. And I mean, I've seen the designs. I think, you know, what they're planning to do there is attractive. It does block the public view. Somewhat. Somewhat,
yes.
That's
true, yeah.
What is the proposal there? Well, what is being proposed on that piece?
Sorry,
yeah. I realized. The church is looking at building an open-air type of a chapel on that little piece there. It would have, like, arches and kind of wrought iron gates instead of doors. So you would be able to see through the building, you know, to the river. Through gates, basically, at both ends.
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That's ‸ the drawing we were given. It's kind of, it's a conceptual rendering.
I
don't know if that's our final design, but that's
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So, yeah, you would see all the way through. It's a kind of, ‸ the artist rendering was kind of a Spanish style, very much like the church is now. Kind of a complimentary design.
Okay. Motion to approve.
We
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public comment.
What was that? Well, this is actually on the city business, so.
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If you'd like to come up and make a comment. And if I can get you to fill out a card for me, please, sir. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
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question regarding the exhibit that was up there. Can we put that back up so I can ask my question?
Thank
you.
While we're waiting for that,
the
question concerns the northernmost line on the area to be vacated, which is along Church Street. Currently,
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And my question is, does that sidewalk lie within or without the area to be vacated?
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come up because I think Mr. Honeycutt might have an answer for you.
Rodney Honeycutt, [address] in Titusville. Yes, I was representing the church and we were in charge of this and the sidewalk is outside us on the north side of this area. It was not. So
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be no effect
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public access on the sidewalk with or without
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Yeah, a good indication if you look at that exhibit, the seawall. And if you walk down there, you'll know that the sidewalk or the current pedestrian path, there's a grass separator between that path and the seawall.
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of that seawall. So ‸ there should be a small green barrier and then the existing sidewalk remaining.
Okay.
Do we have a motion on the table?
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All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Passes unanimously. Thank you, ma'am. Okay. Approved resolution endorsing the
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Yes, Mayor and Council. Well, the Space Coast TPO is responsible for ‸ long-range planning of trails throughout ‸ the county. They have recently come up with a realignment of the East Coast Greenway trail.
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than Cocoa. It's bigger than Brevard County. It's actually bigger than the state of Florida. It's part of the East Coast of the United States trail that they're trying to connect. And a piece of it comes through Cocoa, actually. And actually, the original reroute
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to A1A and down A1A.
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of the trail. Seeing a possible opportunity for the city, anyone that's driven on US-1 knows ‸ Titusville to Cocoa on US-1 is not the greatest path for a bicycle. ‸ We looked at Grissom Road, and there's a lot more right-of-way, a little less congestion. ‸ So we actually proposed putting the proposed East Coast Greenway trail on Grissom Road. Of course, then it would have to come down Industry underneath 528,
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along the existing bike paths to 528. Space Coast TPO looked at it, said that made sense. So now they have put that as the proposed route with the US-1 as the alternate route. What's advantageous is things on the trail qualify for a different level of funding.
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side of Michigan to link the future trail on Clear Lake Road that's being designed, and the trail on 524 that's being designed. So we'll get a little corner of Cocoa on ‸ the trail map, and I think that's a big deal.
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You know, it's ‸ a big deal. Oh, ‸ yeah. They have requested the city approve the route, and that's what we're here tonight for your approval.
Yeah, this has been going on for a while. I remember back when I was on council before we were discussing this, when I was on the TPO when they were continuously going on with this.
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Yeah, I was just going to, so are they state or federal funds? Are these grants that we can apply for? These
are grants, and I believe they're ‸ federal funds through the state.
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on it. So they rerouted the trail instead of coming across Nasa Causeway and down Merritt Island.
It
now comes
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Motion to approve.
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Second. Second one from Councilman Goins. All in favor signify by saying ‸ aye. Aye. Opposed? It passes unanimously.
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three in the city business.
It
requests council's direction for the final design concept of the promenade and overlook project to replace the boardwalk and riverfront part. Destroy it during Hurricane Irma.
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look at that That's all. I'll turn it over to Tom for the final concept proposal for the waterfront promenade.
Thank you. um Good evening. um Thank you for having us back before the council. It's uh it's great to be able to present this. This waterfront promenade has has come through an extensive process to get to this point. I think we have a final concept that has addressed all the questions and concerns and input we've gotten, and that's what we want to confirm tonight. So let me just run through just a little bit of the background of this.
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in 2018. the idea was to build something more durable than the previous wooden dock that was there. And also to improve the views over the water. There were a couple of key elements that were raised during that time. A desire to have a seating and a strolling area right along the water's edge where there would be good access for the water. And then overlooks that would allow you to get out over the water.
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So what you see there is actually a black and white rendering from the waterfront master plan showing an out uh overlook Some landscaped areas
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They show some swings or or other seating opportunities there. So then in November a public meeting was held to review some concepts for the promenade and dig a little deeper into what direction the city wanted. uh Gather input from the public.
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A lot of uh great conversation and a lot of input that you'll see um carried over into this final concept. So some key design input from that section was that we had talked about one of the the most important things in that meeting was to find out what do you want that surface right along the water to be. Do you want it to be landscaped? Do you want it to be hard scaped? And if you want it to be landscaped do you
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plantings? Coming out of that meeting,
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you flexibility to be able to use that for a lot of different functions also to allow access right to the water's edge. uh For people, uh but also landscaping to break it up. um Views that were were um raised in that meeting was
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or what would the edge at the water look ‸ like and there was a lot of discussion of about that because if you had landscaping, pure landscaping, There can be a code case made that you don't need railing It's not something we recommend when you have a facility like this park and a
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into the water. So we then looked at a lot of different railing types from different waterfront parks around the country in different areas. There was a strong preference shown to improve visibility. I think as you go down to the park now you can see just as it is now the visibility is greatly enhanced and wanting even more of that. We actually did some informal votes during that time even if you remember I know many of you were there. The preference out of that meeting was a railing that it was a stainless steel railing with stainless steel cabling very low visible visible intrusion. I would say. Very, very strong very good for weathering the elements there.
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for boats coming from the river where they could see they would see this wonderful park and want to know what is that ‸ place. And so an opportunity to put signage there that would be a landmark for people from the river. And then, as I said, keeping a flexibility for a wide array of events. So the concepts we ended up with you can say see here. This is actually looking from the Northeast at a portion of the walkway and the promenade and the overlooks.
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in the same location basically same size as the existing gazebo's were behind that on the land side of that you see a low wall. In this along the entire waterfront. That wall is necessary for us to fix the grade if we're going to have a promenade surface in order to meet ADA requirements for accessibility along the entire promenade. It also will provide visually
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when you're looking out at the water. We've added in the middle a sign area.
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and have that as a lighted sign. What you want on that sign, certainly you can determine, but it's an opportunity for people to see that. You'll see we broke up these areas with landscape areas.
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They also allow us to have a place where we can make any of the utilities a little more discreet. If we need to put electrical bollards or things like that, they're they're much easier, much more discreetly hidden in a planter like that. So, so the other thing that we added ‸ there was a suggestion made at one point about benches or seating in that area. So you'll see them in some of our examples. Some of our renderings you'll see some concrete benches concrete benches without backs and it was to give the flexibility that somebody could sit on those benches and be looking at the river. ‸ the same time, if there are events in the park, they can turn around and be sitting on those benches looking at something in the park too.
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Okay. This is another example. This is looking over at the overlooks. I do want to point out
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than the renderings we presented uh in your agenda packet. So you can see in the gray concrete at the overlook and in these concrete areas, there's a stamped herringbone pattern that's supposed to be in there to break up the texture of that. It just we were trying to present a little lower resolution copies to keep the file smaller that went in your agenda packet, but that was lost. So you can see that you can see the curbs around the landscape areas. You can see the railings depicted. During the public meeting.
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aluminum railings and railings. Following that public meeting. I actually went and met with them. And they were a very helpful resource. They are a major manufacturer of railings.
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so This next picture is really from the opposite angle, gives you a better view of the top of the overlooks. The overlooks would be equipped with some bollard lighting. and
probably
not those bollards, something that would fit better in the decor, but bollard lighting on the outside to provide lighting there. This is another view. Just looking down, you can see these landscape areas. So as this concept is laid out right now, you have concrete areas that span about 50 to 70 feet, and you have landscape areas that span about 25 to 30 feet. Those could certainly be adjusted as as you wish. The landscaping in here, this is not a final selection of landscape plan type. This is just representative. The thing I want you to to focus on is we want
low landscaping, obviously easy to maintain and all for staff, low landscaping to improve that visibility. This is another section along and this gives you a good idea of the visibility you would expect to see as you're walking down the promenade. This
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concrete benches on the on the side. And we just put them in, kind of alternate to the benches that are shown on the west side, the regular seating benches, so that nobody obstructs the other's view, kind of as you as you walk along. And then lastly, I have two slides here on the sign concept. The sign concept does two things. We provide that riverfront sign. We have the opportunity for it to be lighted. The sign can be however you want it to be. We took the the coco text and fonts and just use those. It provides a a good marker for everybody. It serves a second purpose in that there was some discussion when we were talking about the railings at that public meeting. And the one concern about the cable railing that was mentioned was around the fountain
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that area we'd have kids running all around and all. So what that wall does ‸ it replaces the railing in that section just opposite of the fountain as well. This is looking at it from the park side, so you have the opportunity again for a sign there. We also have the opportunity to put landscaping in there, which provides a little bit even greater buffer in and around that fountain area from the waterfront. But we left it without we left it kind of open in there because one of the other issues brought up in the public meeting was that
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You
know
anybody around here their prom photos taken at the park there and looking for different spots to create photo opportunities weddings and things that occur here, so this could be another one kind of centered in this area with the landscaping around it so. Those were the concepts. And I know. Staff at this point is is just seeking final direction to make sure that we've incorporated everything to date if there are any questions i'd be happy to try to. answer
uh councilwoman
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so ‸ the cocoa company is this the only kind of fencing they fabricate or do they
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of dot railings they they fabricate this type of stainless steel railings all others they did. um
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a cost issue
okay so when we talk about the promenade that includes the the kind of if we go back to the
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the promenade that we're discussing is that the brick that's here the the
the
the promenade that is brick colored or is that actually brick is it actually permeable
the orange color that you see there is the existing paper okay and
those are
pavers,
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yeah yes
those are papers so
this is this is next to
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will be the just the front piece
hearing bone it's A herringbone stamped in concrete it's a cost. um It was a cost consideration. We could do pavers in there. I wouldn't recommend permeable pavers. I love them. They're great in a lot of locations but right behind the seawall and
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Okay, and
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uh
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it's about I believe it's about five and a half feet. You remember I have to build that small wall behind the seawall to level the ground. So on the seaside, it's a little tall. ‸ And
so the stormwater, because I know we have some plans, or at least we're looking at some plans for stormwater retention uh to, you know, protect the lagoon in this area. I guess that we'll be talking about that next month, right?
Yes, Councilman
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looked at,
I'm
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actually doing something in the river, since there's very limited uh space to treat water. We have two large stormwater outfalls that come in, uh one on State Road 520 and one down at the south end of the project here. Both opportunities for additional stormwater treatment, but no, no property. So we're actually looking at doing something beyond this promenade and kind of uh extending something out. But we're looking at this real early stages.
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‸ And so we've got the seawall, and we know, of course, they're vulnerable to uh storm surge and just breaking down. So I guess we're doing the living shoreline on the other part of Lee Winter.
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will
conflict
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with other plans. If we were to extend the uh the treatment area out in the river, then, you know, obviously we would look at the area between the new, uh it would probably be a walkway type concept, uh out a couple hundred feet, in
a
semi-circle and something up against the bulkhead. You know, that would kind of be the treatment area. ‸ And we may look at doing something on the outside of the actual bulkhead that's in the river.
‸ so we're really adding to the storm water by having this impermeable surface
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kind of drains to the bowl, in the bowl in front of the uh the performance uh auditorium there. oh okay. So it all kind of drains to the middle. uh It's good for storm water not good for shows when it rains right before. Okay. But yes, this all, it does add a little impervious area,
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So, um of course, I was at those meetings. um And, you know, i honestly, I don't like the fence. But, um and we also, there were a number of us that really liked the idea of a knee wall. And similar to what they've done at other places,
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In fact, I brought some pictures. I mean,
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It did sure does look hot. um You know, i I would like to hear what other people have to say, too. We've also received a letter.
probably
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open ‸ up to the public. Because I got five emails.
And then the other thing is, uh we're forming a waterfront advisory committee. In fact, the CRA voted on that at the last meeting, right? When do we expect that to be ‸ in operation? Should this be something they look at? I
think this project
this project was already underway. And I think everybody that it, because this is on a time frame as it relates to FEMA, ‸ recall, but this is a reimbursement, you know, from, so we don't have enhancements the CRA can do. But restoring, and actually, you know, Matt and, you know, Ed and ISS, they've worked with FEMA to get them, to be to be honest, outside of their box,
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And
it's so it's so it's tied to not just the FEMA, but also there's a fine construction grant. So any super material alterations could jeopardize, there
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that uh received those grants, and they didn't have any additional funds left. So, uh but, uh so I i don't know, um i don't know if there's any other, I thought the the, it was my understanding that coming out of that meeting, that the the wire,
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informal votes was that the ‸ the the problem of cabling was the, was the, it was the majority majority. Well,
the majority of the people that, I mean, that was November, the holiday, I mean, it was, you know, it's kind of
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a lot of different railings and options. We discussed the
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There was a, looking back and
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there were two concerns. One was visibility, that you would now have something, uh you know, roughly 36 inches high or so that would be blocking some people's views. The other thing was people using that and starting to access back and forth across to the river or somebody sitting on it and falling off, a child or something like that. That was some of the discussion. It was, it was us you know, there were a lot of different opinions in the room. Towards the end of the meeting when we talked about this and we narrowed it down and it got to the point of it seemed like this railing was, was the preferred option. That's when I said, you know, how many people would be in favor of using this railing, how many people wanted something else.
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people who preferred something else. That's why we went forward with this rally But there was a lot of discussion and there is a lot of different ways to to do it.
And I know I like the, the, knee wall, but ‸ I, I started thinking and, then um looking back at so many events that we have down there. And, um
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on there and I start worrying about, wondering about some of
the
liabilities and stuff as far as, you know, just having that there and, um and not having that added protection. So, um
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had to institute following an incident and I think with South Florida is to put
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July and certain events, people will get close as possible to the water's edge. And, uh and there's just, I think that's one of the concerns when, you when they get ‸ the fireworks going off and ‸ stuff. I mean, that's, I know that ‸ that's the main event that we have where we see the park at, you know, maximum capacity, but there are also other events, non-city events, you know, some of the concerts and stuff like that. So.
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idea with this, I guess, what do you want to call that a mini knee wall?
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it actually varies depending on the grade. And that's where the
utilities are, right?
uh utilities will be underneath it. Utilities or underneath the, the new pavement. there may be some utility, uh access at that wall, ‸ points for different things. With the landscape areas, I'm hoping to
move. All
the access points into those landscape areas. Just because they become a little more discreet and
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or okay
But
that wall, to answer your question, I'm sorry, is uh it can vary but expect it to be about
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to
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inches. Okay, and
so
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that would give us the additional option of moving some of our festivals ‸ off the streets and into the park. I'm not sure I really like that idea, but it gave us that additional option.
We kept those concrete areas in that 50 to 70 foot area to just give flexibility if you were to set up things like that in the park. that you would have enough space to set up a couple booths or whatever it is that that people do in the ‸ I know you said it
looked
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hot. If it's ‸ There's no
green, yeah. There
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back. Hopefully the trees are
Correct, correct. And you would have the same access you have,
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go straight down. Okay,
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here. I got Mr. Troy
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Let's hear from them real quick. And then i'm after him, that would be um um former Councilman Alex Greenwood.
Try to get my card in last so I could hear other people.
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um I can just give you my perspective and what I think, and I have to agree with Lorraine and some ‸ other members on the board. um Can you go back to that other slide? I know you said it looks hot out there.
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true It, I mean, the problem with the old dock system, and I brought it up because when I was going to do the hotel there across the street, you know, we looked at developing and stuff. And one thing that we like to keep is, is a feeling of connection to the waterfront.
You
know, the old dock system, you had the wood railing here, and I understand the liability ramifications, and I'll touch on that in a second, but it just feels, again, we're disconnected from the waterfront. Now, when you go to Miami, and I heard someone say about a knee wall, you know, Fort Lauderdale, even
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the largest film festival
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yeah in France, it's, it's a knee wall. Yeah. They don't have the issues, ‸ you know, that liability issues. Now, yes, I was thinking that when I was looking at the one slide with the railing going around the, uh the sitting areas. That's probably a good idea because I was thinking the
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of July and things of that nature. But you know the
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of July events and we only have a couple of those a year. And for that particular event we could put up the Mardi Gras railings.
We
have them.
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of that knee wall feeling. It's just a it's a more welcoming feeling. And the sign I think is a great idea. Maybe
we can
capture some of the boating traffic from Miami and Fort Lauderdale and
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But I would you know in moving forward you know the board I would just say my two cents would be try to lean to something that gives connectivity and a feeling of oneness with the water. ‸ not you're isolated and kind of that that feeling right there where the railing just feels really cold and like almost even jail kind of feeling.
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and have some nice landscaping in the middle and that prevents people from uh you know sitting on it
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I think that water depth is only like two three feet right there by the sea wall. So it's not like an issue where somebody does fall in they they can't stand right up you know. So that's a saving grace if you look at you know looking at a seawall uh uh knee wall situation. Thank you sir. Thank you.
Mr. Greenwood.
‸ Thank you. um ‸ When I was at the meeting there was a lot of people there. uh I don't remember hearing a ‸ majority that showed support for this looking as industrial as it is
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that was discussed. um And
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choice but to have the railing. I thought we agreed to something softer like arched. Isn't that what we said. Okay. ‸ So it was not a majority for that fencing. That's number one. the other thing is
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just. concrete
The concrete. Simulated
Okay. And then the ones in red are what's
there
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existing. Correct. Okay. So that's not going to be altered you're just going to add the decorative feature in the middle of the. Brick that's not there. Correct. Okay. um
That's actually there, I'm sorry. oh so we're
not altering that?
No, we're we're not altering that, we're building
eastward
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of that. There's a concrete river curve, then you're gonna have the texture.
Between
the seawall and there where that grass strip is. Okay.
um again I agree with what Troy had said, that there needs to be, a connection with the water water and the village combined and make it look more obviously a continuation of what's in the village. So, um
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concrete
bricking
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that we are seeing here, correct? Correct. all right there was another suggestion instead of a completely concrete look. And this was really what was supported by the majority of the people that were there. A, large individual paver look with grass in between. As, um like a grouting, I guess, but you use a grass material. And I remember at the meeting then that the majority voted for that. Am I correct or not? I, I thought that
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people to walk on, but not look as industrial as that does by having, uh the grass areas in between the, uh paved large stepping stones.
we did talk about the
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vote because
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would not be. ‸ Okay. Well,
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ADA is very important. and I'm glad that you brought that up. Is the existing pavers that's not going to be altered. Is that ADA
approved?
‸ There's no issues with that at all.
uh I haven't gone through and checked the cross slope of all of it and all, but as far as the surface,
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durable surface. Okay.
And that's the same for the
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that is a prime example that solves the issues that we're going through with our crosswalks in the
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be a very good idea of
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Yes.
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up, sir. oh okay. so. but
thank you. We appreciate it. That was ‸ I
have a couple of things more, but that looks a lot better than what we're planning in the crosswalks in the building. ‸ Solves the ADA solves all that. ‸ Thank you. Thank you, sir. Can
I just throw up a couple photos? Because i mean one of the things I've been doing since that meeting is going to different cities in Florida to see what they're doing. Like, uh Sanford, I just have a couple of quick slides that I put on there. Do I need to go click on it?
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I just wanted...
Yes, ma'am. ‸ an idea, just so
‸ I've been making day trips for the purpose of seeing what other people do, what some of the models are out there. and
okay
Yeah.
she's
uh this lot
And where would it be
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somebody... Okay. Here we go. They're not professional photographs. stuff
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That's the
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‸ Sanford, which is is beautiful and really looks a lot like some of the facade that we already have going on in the village. um
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this is in Bradenton. What I've loved about Bradenton was there was just... You're surrounded by green. You had some shade with the trees, with the porch swing.
um
That's Bradenton as well. um And they did do... They have a similar fencing to what you're suggesting. They also have some living shoreline that they're working on for their stormwater management.
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Now that was, you know, more similar to what we're looking at. Yeah.
And
that was it. But, um yeah. So, I don't know how to go back. How do I get out of this
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uh there
thank you
ma'am i
just did that just one more comment
please mayor
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advantage of any available FEMA funds and make the best investments with those. I just,
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This is a broader view of the park.
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Yeah,
I
mean, add some accents to it rather than try to soften it up. Because the one difference out of all those photos is there's not a riverfront park in a band shell where there's major community events held. That's the one difference out of all the locations. We're the only ones that have that right now.
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‸ You'll design what the city wants. And that's why we've gone through this process.
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presentation. They were all the way back to the master.
They go back to the original guy. I mean, before we even had the
waterfront
master plan update, there was a desire, like, comments back in the way of getting rid of the old boardwalk system that was put in.
And so the railing can be changed, any of it. I mean, that's what you want to change at this point.
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‸ a view shared, too, that one of the preferences of the railing is the visibility of the park from the water. That was something,
to
be honest, that wasn't a big focus of mine but came out in that public meeting. ‸ People were talking about being able to see into the park and being able to see what's there and that you couldn't before. And when the wood docks got removed, people saw this incredible view of the park. And so that was, I think, one of the other goals here. Again,
we
want to
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what
the city wants. We've gone through this process. ‸ I believe we've addressed the direction through those processes. I know not
everybody's
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on board. But certainly if the city wants to go in a different direction, ‸ we want you to end up with a project that for the next 40 years you love. Is ‸ there
any way that ‸ we could fast track our waterfront advisory committee so that ‸ they could at least look at this? What is the timeline? ‸ What's our timeline?
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mean, I'd be able to say attorney. Don't get caught up being out.
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And so for the enhancements projects, that's where they would come in. But this is kind of, again,
this
is a FEMA reimbursement project type that's been underway.
So
what
is our
deadlines on this?
They do have a deadline that we have applied for an extension. It's already passed. I don't know how long that extension is for. The FIND grants do have an expiration, I believe. I don't believe it's in the next year.
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as FIND for their hurricane recovery funds, that it was part of both the Day Slips and TDOC project, ‸ essentially to restore the entire waterfront that was existing previously.
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Slip projects, they went out to bid, and they will be coming before you for bid selection.
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to validate what was being signed.
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Yeah. I mean,
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This is really the look of the park. Well,
I don't want to beat this up too much, and I know we're, I understand, and it was a great presentation.
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They're attempting to move to final design so we can place this project out to bid. So, yes, the alterations could still be made even in the construction process.
Okay.
I like this concept of this picture right here.
Okay. So we can, okay, so we can approve this, and then the operations can be made.
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actually as far as what
they
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What
does?
I would say this. If you came back and you said, we want to expand the landscape areas or we want more landscape areas, if you want to go out there and walk it and say, you know, see it on the ground, that's fine. If it's changing to something like a knee wall or so, then ‸ we would have to go back.
‸ How long
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that turn around for you to redesign
that
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I would, if it's to come back with like a knee wall for that length, it'd be a couple weeks to come back before you with that. Explain.
So we have, we just verified,
we
have less than a year ‸ for this project to be complete, March 2020. I mean constructed.
But we do want it done right in the way that everyone wants it to be. So yeah, I just want to just,
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you know, because there was a, and I forget there, there's a, a, a reasonable standard, you know, when you come to an environmental hazard, you know, that within reason, it's not like the city's going to obviously we're just with safety. But when we sought to expand and change, you know, and ask FEMA to do something different was to be more resilient. So we weren't facing the issues that we faced last time that, you know, if, if we had another Irma and, and the wave action
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be more resilient, ‸ to be more, you know, uh, you know, to be more storm resilient and, and,
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then try to incorporate the design feature. So what can be done,
I
guess, Tom, you know, just in terms of these. Well, but.
Do you, um, I guess, are we just looking at what would this be like with a knee wall? Yes, sir. Is
that
really what it would be, or is it more than that?
I
guess.
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No, just a knee wall from my understanding.
Well, the knee wall is the biggest thing. Yeah.
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I've done that there. And we looked at that. There are other considerations we have to take into account for design. ‸ I, I'm not going to show you something that we can't build.
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I will have something back to you within a two to three week period. Okay. Okay. I just have to look at getting it, you know, getting a concept designed for it and then getting these rendered. And also that you can see them. Now, one, one thing ‸ I need to bring up just not to complicate this issue, but just to make sure you're clear.
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walkway that is immediately adjacent to the seawall along the access road to Lee Winter Park. Right. So going from this promenade out to Lee Winter Park, that walkway has that railing next to it based on that meeting. Is that an issue? Because ‸ that's the way it was bid actually to contractors. And when you come to award it,
you
know, in a couple of weeks, that's what you would be awarded.
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Well,
I
mean, I'd have much less issue with that. You know, it may not be my favorite, but I mean, I'm okay with that. This, from my perspective, is that, you know, this is the picture of cocoa. It's the aesthetics of cocoa as you're approaching it from the water or from the park.
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that's the direction of the council. With a knee wall, I will keep the railing on the overlooks unless you want that. Right. So if that's the direction of council, I can do that. Well, that's without the
railing, right?
That
was. On the overlooks, I think you.
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Oh, yeah. I understand that. Yeah.
yeah
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okay
Yeah. Okay. Yes, sir.
Thank
you.
Thank
you. Do we need to make a motion for this or with
this or? Provide direction.
Is
there?
Yes. A motion would be nice so that infrastructure has.
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Accept the design.
placing
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the railing with an alternate concept that incorporates a knee wall.
Yes, sir. Can I get a motion from someone? Or?
Yeah. So I'll make a motion that we look for an alternate design with a knee wall.
Okay.
We
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Second. Second from Councilman Goins. All in favor. Signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? It passes unanimously. Thank you, sir. Thank you.
Thank you.
Great presentation, sir.
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You mentioned two to three weeks. This is an item that would be coming back before Council to review. So we would be looking at the May 22nd City Council meeting of which items are submitted in advance of that. Is that something that you could meet?
How far in advance? Is it a week or
two
weeks?
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By
the 10th, I believe.
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But I'll do my best to meet the 10th. Thank you, sir. Okay. If not, I'm sorry, but I would be happy to come here and provide a presentation with the renderings of that option as well.
Okay. So. Thank you, sir. Okay. We're going to go ahead and move to item number four, which is approved resolution amending the FY 2019 budget transfer funds for purchase order number ‸ 73, 716 and 73, 649 to
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through the use of general fund can continue to see administrative services.
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we've had two, obviously, two incidents, you know, if you will, two cases that have driven some litigation costs that are not covered by retainer. We have vigorously defended the unemployment filing,
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which was technically which was appealed. Then we had to Anthony's firm had to defend that and we prevailed in the appeal. They also represented us during the arbitration. As you know, the item he's arbitrating his termination. ‸ And so that was the one issue. Then there was the issue along the Indian River Drive and
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of
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by a crane like popped down on a piece of land that resulted in litigation. So and now we're just this is kind of covering for the what we potentially project in the future, but also recognizing those expenses that ‸ we typically receive as a result of, you know, claims.
Yes, sir.
I can tell you that we and
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We do monitor both the non-retainer and the retainer and he works for you all, but I can tell you at an hourly rate, you could give really, you could have really good deal for the retainer and the non-retainer.
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I'm positive some of the time, so just really quick, I wanted a better idea of what is what's covered in the retainer.
Okay.
And then the other thing is that, you know, looking at the last
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but I was wondering if there is any other trending.
‸ And
then compared to other municipalities, because you represent several, I mean.
Okay. ‸ The retainer includes everything that's not excluded, which is the general litigation, and adversarial proceedings, bond and loan closings, and employment matters, and like code enforcement proceedings. It
works.
Everything else is in retainer. In fact, sometimes as a courtesy,
I
put non-retainer items into the retainer as a courtesy to the city.
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all of the legal services to the city except for pensions, where the city has a pension lawyer,
and
then bond counsel required to do, you know, bond deals. So, in terms of trends, we can't really predict the retainer, the non-retainer type items. It's basically on an as needed basis. And we never know when we have employment grievance arbitrations and so forth. In addition to what John mentioned, we've also had to initiate 17 foreclosure actions on behalf of the city. In addition, we had to initiate civil forfeiture proceedings in several cases for the police department. Not included in these numbers are recoveries. I mean, this year alone, we've recovered approximately $85,000 in cash for the city, two vehicles, and one piece of real property. When you include the last two years with the foreclosures, we've recovered 10 pieces of real property for the city. So there's
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non-retainer items because we never know, right, when we're going to get sued. I can tell you trend-wise on the retainer, within the last three years, our workload under the
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And that's a flat fee retainer. And over the course, we get a nominal CPI adjustment, which doesn't even keep up with the costs associated ‸ with what we have to deal with. So trend-wise, we're seeing a substantial trend on retainer items that are reflective, I think, part because of the economy and land development actions and just helping out when we can, when the city has needs in various departments. Yeah.
So, last question.
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Well, you're doing a great job under the retainer.
I can
tell you that. Because our effective hourly rate under the retainer is going down about 35% in three years.
Okay.
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What is the wishes of the council?
Motion to approve.
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We got a motion from Councilwoman Cost.
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All in favor signify by saying ‸ aye. Aye. Opposed? It passes unanimously. Thank you.
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business, which is ‸ approved resolution, a resolution amended in the FY 2019 budget and council approval to authorize the city manager to accept and execute overdose ‸ prevention in the state, opioids.
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Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. On March 13th, we brought to the city council an application for a grant through the Florida Bureau of Emergency Medical Oversight for acquisition of EMS reporting hardware and software.
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we were actually sent a letter through the state of Florida that said because of such short turnaround, not many people applied for it and we were actually awarded the grant in the amount of $36,650. So we're just requesting or asking for your approval to amend the budget and allow the city manager to accept that grant.
it will
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pay for all the EMS hardware to bring us up to the current state standards in the state of Florida for EMS reporting to the state.
I was looking at the numbers and I tell you,
I
was, you know, for a city our size, I was like, wow. But I know that I've seen some of the
number
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for some of the big cities, man, and they're up there. But ‸ I was really shocked at the numbers that we had here. And wow, that's crazy. But anyway,
we
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All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, it passes unanimously.
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line stockpile agreement
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Yes, sir. Thank you. Yeah, item number, I guess, number six. Approve a new line stockpile agreement between the
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incorporated doing business as
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We have a previous agreement which expired a short while ago.
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We never renewed it. We also took the opportunity to kind of update the agreement with the ranch.
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that are left over from the water process, where ‸ we're adding a lime and ‸ other chemicals ‸ to clean the water essentially. ‸ That byproduct is favorable in agricultural operations. They're our neighbor. We've stockpiled in ‸ previous, ‸ under previous agreement. But basically this agreement is a great relationship where we have a byproduct that if we didn't give it to them, or have them use it, then we would be hauling it off and putting in some landfill or some other way. So to be
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symbiotic relationship going. They're going to use it and
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use of the land to change the pH and do other things that they do to grow crops. And we get rid of the byproduct very, very cheaply. So it's kind of a win-win for us. I'm here to answer any detailed questions you may have on the contract.
Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. Those are wishes of the council.
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Yes,
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Not so much a question, but we did discuss this at a very excellent presentation last night of the Utilities Advisory Board. And this is, you know, it's called Lime Sludge, but this is from the water treatment process. So this is actually a mineral application. And I was quite satisfied with the explanations that we got last night in regard to applying this, because it is sensitive. This is going on, parts of it are going on our groundwater recharge area. So we want to always, of course, public health is paramount in our first consideration. So I would make a motion to approve.
Yes, ma'am. Also, just one thing to add, we talked about, if anybody had
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Protection Agency back in 2006 did a study and their recommendation under that study for land application of lime sludge basically says that,
the
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paraphrase, lime sludge from drinking water systems is not expected to create any significant threat to public health or environment. For this ‸ reason, no additional regulations or approval are needed.
Mm-hmm.
Thank you, sir. Okay.
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Okay.
We
got a motion from Councilwoman
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All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? It passes unanimously. Okay. We got an informational agenda and that's just that, right? Okay. Advisory boards and committee.
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We've had some recent people resign. One of
them
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We had one that has not reapplied for, his term was up actually at the end of the month and he did not reapply.
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So if he missed two, we don't have a quorum. So
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I
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and it'd be nice to have at least one or two alternates. Because I got a feeling we're gonna get real busy. ‸ Okay. And
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‸ choir was amazing.
Awesome. Yeah. Like
I
say, go
Tiger Pride.
Thank you, sir. Okay. City Administration, Mr. Weegrave, sir.
No report, sir.
Thank you, sir. No report. Chief?
No report, sir.
Chief?
I've said enough, no report, sir.
No report.
No report, sir. No
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No report. Mr. City Attorney.
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to reiterate
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that we did get a favorable ruling in the, I
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tiny home case on Indian River Drive, so we'll be working with staff regarding the next steps related to that matter. Thank
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you,
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Mr.
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Manager. No report.
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Mr. City
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uh Trying to get back into things.
fortunately
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my lovely three-year-old decided to bring home a virus, as I was trying to get back into things. So just a couple things. uh Just remind council uh I emailed and provided a spreadsheet for your budget uh projects and priorities. If you ‸ get those submitted. I do have received, I've received one, I've spoken of the member. um Also, uh
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do have, back in mid-March, I think,
I
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uh emailed him and i i I, with the legislative session ‸ my health issue, it
kinda,
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I've got the stuff right here. i
gotta
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just review it and I'll provide it to him. So, uh because the Utilities Director did provide ‸ to me. just, it was actually sitting in my folder to be reviewed. And then, uh ‸ last thing, just to let you know, uh uh I will not be, I did not, uh the
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One was
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So, so I appreciate your support in that, you know,
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the other item I have is,
you
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know it came up under Council or under, uh common, um delegations.
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attorney. And, uh one of
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things that came up and, uh
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prior to even, uh ‸ it's not the same month I got here, but it was like before I got here. But
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And, uh I think the city attorney can go over that, because there is a section, um that record that essentially that it's still in effect and it requires all current members of ‸ council to, uh affix their signature to the resolution. And so, I mean, do you want to go over that? can
i say something real quick?
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I understand that we have this resolution, but there were some accusations that was made here and some statements that was made here and this council meeting, um live on the air, um that wasn't true. And um you always
ask
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to investigate that and bring it back because I think the people need to know there was stuff thrown out there, and I think that the public needs to, I think that the residents need to know the truth. And it was a simple request, and uh
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any other council member up here or whatever, then when you make those statements and then the staff has requested to investigate those statements, then they need to be known. And and I know for a fact that one of the items were checked out the next day. ‸ don't have to be, names don't have to be thrown out here. We don't have to hear names. We just, uh they everyone deserves to hear the truth. And
uh we're
trying
to be transparent. okay So, and that's part of the conversation I had with the city attorney. uh By charter, you know, the powers conferred to me are to investigate employees that fall under my control. I cannot now, so I did, in that particular instance, since there was an employee involved ‸ in an alleged, you know, Sunshine Law violation, uh we received a statement, and he, uh in his statement, verified that there was never any meeting or conversations between
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other than a a passing hello, goodbye. Outside of that, uh with regards to other matters, I have not, you know, again, it's, uh
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my powers under the charters. I will, you know, rely on my directors and, uh and then and the managers to ensure that the employees, because they have a responsibility, just like I do, and you all do, to uphold the charter, and I'll make sure the employees uphold the charter with regard to uh uh direction and, or, from somebody other than their director or the city manager's office. Okay,
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being given directions, um by myself, and, and And
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called an employee and told them how to do his job. Whenever I have issues, I've always come into your office or Assistant City Manager's office with a list. And I'll tell you some of my concerns, whether they have to do with PD,
cold
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or whatever. And I give you guys, I say, hey, these are my concerns. If I have pictures, I'll show you the pictures, and then I normally leave out there and leave it at that and hope that you all handle that. And that's the way it's always been. i um I was just very disappointed at what took place. I apologize for my actions because I could have handled it a lot differently um because um I knew what was happening. And it was just I was a little irritated because there's been a lot of legal stuff going on. And I couldn't talk about it before because of a confidentiality deal. I hadn't signed a waiver,
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been done, and that's going to be made public because the results are back. And um and I am going to be turning that over to our city clerk so that can be public records so everyone can see and know the facts. And uh
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sorry
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you can go ahead ‸ just
so that therefore following, you know, because I did struggle and then when I spoke with Anthony. uh I just can't, you know, it's not my place to investigate you all. That would be where under that Section
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of the Charter you all would have that power to do an investigation if you want to form your own committee of some sort like that. But I don't have that authority. But
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since it was a comment that an employee was there. uh And so I certainly wanted to, obviously, concern for the whole city, but also for the employees. And then
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and uh working with the directors. And so we look forward to a continuous, you know, productive relationship. and Thank you, sir. Appreciate
that.
Can I ask then, since the the accusations were made against me and the statement exonerates me, does this become a part of the public record? Do I submit this as part of the public record?
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yeah
Okay, so it's already a part.
It's
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criminal accusations against me.
If you want to submit it to the clerk as part of the record of this meeting, you're more than uh free to do so.
Okay.
It is a public record. Okay. And
what that been said, I'm going to go ahead and do my reports. And now since
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get a chance. I've just gone to council meeting without giving my giving a report. And I've
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want to thank everyone for being here tonight. And uh we've
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i'm trying to move the city forward. um And I could tell you, I really do. And I appreciate uh ‸ Councilman
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and Councilwoman
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more than they could imagine, you know, coming in, uh just being newly elected. Because um we've been crossing paths. We've been working hard. We've listened to the residents. We've we talked to folks. uh We've all taken some uh different issues and projects that um we're moving forward with and trying to move forward with. um i I think it's great. I've really enjoyed all the support I've gotten from them with reference to a lot of the activities that are going on in the city.
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two of you. I'm
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not trying to disregard anyone else on the council. But I've just it's what I've seen from them being newly elected and uh
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And I really do appreciate it. But anyway, I've had the um I've been out um visiting our parks on a weekly basis. So many events that are happening in our parks. I was very impressed with the event that took place
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that really impressed me when I got there was the level of security we had at Provost Park. And I believe they have probably about anywhere from 18 to 20 armed security guards there. No alcohol involved in the park. Things were clean. It was nice. It was a good event. They had um I think Fire Rescue was there as well. I saw the vehicle over there and uh it was a great event. Absolute great event. Some of what we really needed at this park to kind of um turn turn things around uh from what we've been seeing there. And um and of course, our conversations with the um parks and rigs There's a lot of work that's got to be done to our parks. And uh my biggest concern is that we have the same level of service throughout our city. I don't care what you have or what you don't have. It doesn't matter to me. But everyone deserves the same level of service, the same level ‸ education, uh the the same um when it comes to the streets and sidewalks, I want to see those sidewalks. I want to see those streets fixed because no kids
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some of the
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of the what I consider one of the poorest
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they're they're struggling, you know,
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at school, and then you look at their sidewalks, their streets, or stuff they have to walk on and travel on. it It's embarrassing. It's really embarrassing to me. But if it's the last thing I do,
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to pull it together and we're going to get it together. And
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our community together and stop this divide that we see in our community because uh there's such a big divide in our community. And it's based on our positions in the community where we live. And that's foolishness to me. We should all be working together for the
betterment
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of our community. and uh and And that's my goal. And uh I had some other stuff I was going to talk about, but I'm not going to talk about that. I just want to say that. And then uh also we got a
uh
an award for the um the Mayor's Challenge. um I think we ‸ like fourth or fifth place. So let's go up. and uh
Did you lose any weight?
About two pounds. And then we have our... But um and then uh today I was at the... uh And I want to thank uh um
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Air Force Base, the
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And I tell you,
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event. And and I was... I'll tell you, I spent eight years in the in the Air Force and uh I was enlisted. But to be sitting at the table with that much brass, I mean, with the general himself and uh and his whole
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shocked. And um
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um and uh Wow. ‸ Yeah, it was... uh You know... But I was really impressed and um it was a nice event. I thoroughly enjoyed it. That's because
we provide their water.
‸ And today I was at the uh at the Space Center
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Secretary of Transportation there. um It's Elaine L. Cho. She spoke today. And she was just talking about some projects that's happening here. that's going to be happening here
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that's going to be allocated for the nine most busiest seaports. And uh
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so um So you better believe a lot of that money is going to be coming here, um
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and down south. so um And then also just an update on the Space Center, some of the projects, which a lot of us know about. And uh we know this happening. And uh other than that, um but she talked about some some grants and stuff, but um I'll be getting with the city manager on that stuff. But um it was a great event. Thoroughly enjoyed it. So uh with that being said, I'm going to go ahead and um Councilman
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would you like that Okay. um Councilwoman
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a lot going on with the Lagoon and the county commissioners. They had a workshop last week. I was really uh glad to see Ed and Abby there uh participating in that. And I'm hoping we get, at the last meeting, they for the workshop for the commissioners, they talked a lot about wastewater. And we didn't really have anybody from our you know wastewater department there. And I'm just hoping that we'll kind of keep our um you know keep up with the pulse of that. Because there appear to be some monies that could be breaking loose at the state level, as well as support from our commissioners. And I would want to make sure that we take full advantage of any opportunities. And uh
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is the Healthy Children's Day at the YMCA in District
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from 10 to
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First, I'd like to thank everyone for being here tonight and also listening at home. um There's a few things I i had questions
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I've got probably over 40, 50 emails uh regarding the uh pay week, by week pay for employees. There's a lot of concern, of individuals, maybe some misinformation. But I would like to address it. I don't know if the letter has went out to those employees yet. um But
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probably when i get home here will probably be another 35. um so
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can address that tonight
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and foremost uh the the weekly, uh the peril policy, it's in the handbook. So it would have to come back to council for any change. And there, even during the contract conversations, uh it was discussed. But there is no, we're still in the the the process of presenting, evaluating, you know, the pros, cons, putting the other business case to bring back, you have to bring to council, and uh and an implementation timeline has not even been set. um It just, it just says,
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that that that it was, you know, because we made the state the comment was made in meeting that if we were to do, if when we would do it, and one, obviously, ‸ significantly amount of advance notice, but a five week uh month, five week pay month, to make it less burdensome. And somehow that got out, you know, I mean, and it's, uh it was like it was happening in May. And it's not the case. ‸ I mean, if we were to look at it, you know, and, uh
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October, but maybe even like, you know, bringing it back for discussion later, but for, you know, giving like, we're talking like a, you know, six month nine month you know, time to adjust, you know, before
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if it was going to happen, the first five week uh other than January, obviously, because that is a five week So if
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look at March, I think, March or April is the first five week month, and the calendar year, next calendar year. So
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it should have been a surprise, because, again, it was discussed that I think pretty much at all ‸ the uh collective bargaining sessions, but I think obviously some of the general employees, they they're not, ‸ I think that's what kind of got it out there. Then it went out from there ‸ just spread. Yeah, it did. And,
yeah, again, my whole purpose is just bringing it up so that um because I got those emails, I want to make sure that they heard it from you. um
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but
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and I didn't make it
back. All right. So I want to just get it on record that that that's not the case as of May. like they That's correct. That's not the case. Okay. Thank you. And
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of a discussion moving forward. It's just when when the email goes out like that, it's going to spread. and man, I'm talking about
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o'clock in the morning, I'm getting emails. So, uh they you know, people feel strongly about their paychecks. people There's one thing you don't play with, their food and their money. um and and i see And I've seen that the last uh week or so, so I appreciate that. um I visited Hannibal hannibal Square Heritage Center african-american History Museum and met with Barbara Chandler. She is the manager of that facility and she is willing to help us, provide us guidance um with Leon and Jewel Collins african-american History Museum. um
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and maybe in the future, uh within the next month or so, we'll provide a um a trip for us to go over and visit the facility. uh Because
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and i'm I'm not, if I want to name it, if it's going to be an african-american History Museum, we need to be just that. Right now, we don't have a plan for it, um ‸ far as I know. um
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the building is outstanding. um The exhibits that they have is unbelievable. um And I think it'll help us, guide us in the right direction, ‸ since we now are on the historical list as well, uh with help from our staff. um
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I've had from several people the last two or three weeks asking me questions about it. um I know we don't have a plan per se about what we're to do with that building. um But people in the community definitely do not want that building to be a retention farm and I want to ensure them that it won't be. um So it's a conversation that people have been having and so I just want to just bring that up. um What is the possible plan?
We don't know until we, after the building's vacated and then we can go in and do an analysis of the building. In terms of the asbestos, lead-based paint, we know there's plumbing issues, there's electrical issues, and we committed from day one, or well, then once
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after the fact before we, you know, uh would say that it was going to be demolished. I know the county parks and rec is not in uh desirous of maintaining two buildings. I can tell you that.
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about possibly, um I think I said something mad about it too in the past, about the possible uh 501c3s or non-profits come in and take over the facility. And that's the same thing that they did in Titusville as well, which was uh pretty much sell it to a non-profit I think they did it to the county for a dollar, whatever it
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facility. And the city and county has, it's your baby now.
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So just but
we would just. We would still want to do our due diligence because we would not want to hand over something that has uh environmental, uh you know, and or health conditions. And, you know, uh it would be irresponsible. So we would still do that. So
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do that analysis. Okay. uh
last Last thing um um is, um we got a lot of emails from,
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everyone has, from miss Pickle uh regarding the Airbnb uh situation in her neighborhood. um
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uh dealing with the state and what they
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but i mean i i think uh
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um I'll verify it you know tomorrow but it just uh tracking so it
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tracking so many bills and my memory is kind of foggy but uh I'd like to know what meetings by the way our fellow resident attended because we were at meetings that weren't so kind up there especially ‸ when people were talking local government was talking there but uh and that was one of the issues so I i know it's passed uh we do have it just I'm just trying to recall and I apologize I can't pull ‸ up right now whether or not they were I
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if you call there's some identical they're similar and then there were some that you know just were different and so I mean obviously they're in conference committees you know at the budget but they're still pushing through other stuff uh they've they've resurrected something there was one piece of legislation got resurrected I mean very quickly but I think it has uh that I think it's passed the house
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in terms of the full Senate but I'll follow up on that uh but uh and then also to see what changes may have changed that have had occurred since some of the uh committee meetings in the House, i know there's been I don't think there's been any changes. I think they've largely ignored any any concern for the residents and uh and
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Yeah, I think she was just tired of people
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on the weekends. ‸ That's what ‸ And
I'll follow up with, you know,
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the Airbnb, you know, whether or not who may have advised or ‸ what she would advise in terms of what she could do with terms of her selling her property. Okay.
All right, thank you. And
I'll add to that a little bit. I ‸ know that, uh I guess she had a contract on her home. That's ‸ a realtor. and uh And
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Airbnbs in the city of
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And I guess what happened was that contract went
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with the other piece of property that was doing the same thing. And if, if so,
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we as a city, I mean, what do we have in place?
but there's over
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three, almost 400 Airbnbs in the city.
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Well, no, no, there's one right across the street from City Hall. I mean, there's
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Just the proper, it's like proper, ‸ proper tree, proper location, you know, and that's not the right location in the middle of a neighborhood, you know, to have a commercial use.
And, uh just one last thing before I, I call for a motion the adjourn this meeting. now I had talked to, um
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‸ and I know that I requested a list of all the properties that had liens on them that had started and ended as well as the ones that were still running. And I wanted to know the amounts of the liens and the start dates and end dates. I didn't get that.
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‸ so on. But my, my, purpose my goal is, is that we have a lot of properties out there where the liens have stopped and, we need to give these property owners some relief. some of them are homeowners. A lot of my homeowners to where they need to be able to get these liens removed from their homes if
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can either refinance their homes or get some additional monies ‸ improve their homes. And, uh and
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of them are based on weeds and high grass and basically just cutting grass. and uh But we need to go back and look at these properties and come up with the lien forgiveness um and um and just have these folks responsible for paying just what the city's out of so these people can get going and improve their properties. Because I'm just like some of those folks out there, I'm not gonna ‸ do, I'm not gonna ‸ throw good money after bad.
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worth the liens of ‸ my property, I'm not going to invest ‸ money into that property improving it. And that's what we're seeing in our city. The chief
and I discussed, and I think you're working with the city attorney's office on an amnesty program that would allow people that are in. So it we are working on something of that nature. And
i know ‸ and I've discussed that with uh Mr. bunt and uh and we've discussed that.
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Nothing's happened yet, but i just I'm just seeing too many outsiders um buying properties in the city, buying these
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with liens on them and being able to go before the code boards and get the liens dropped um
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out of. When we could do the same thing for homeowners.
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do. I mean, i I'm a big proponent of code enforcement and so forth and so on. But then at the same time, you know, we don't know what happened and what led them to have these issues and ‸ these liens on their properties. And uh and
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homes versus some of the renters that these folks that are purchasing ‸ home are putting in these homes because they don't care who they're putting next door to you. and And that's just unfortunate. That's what we're seeing in our community. And that needs to change. But I just hope that we can move forward with this a little faster than we are because that needs to happen. So with that being said, if I can have a motion to adjourn. i
Motion to adjourn.
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aye. Aye.