Code Enforcement

Code Enforcement Board Meeting

Date: 2025-01-16
Status: Draft minutes and machine transcript available
Source: CivicClerk event #69

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The City's record

What the City's record shows

Draft minutes printed in the City's agenda packet of 2025-02-20, pp. 9–12; approved by the Code Enforcement Board according to the draft minutes of 2025-02-20, whose own approval is recorded in later draft minutes but not yet confirmed in the City's approved minutes; the motion does not say whether they were amended. The City has not posted the approved minutes. The approving motion, “to approve to the minutes of January 16, 2025”, is in the draft minutes printed for approval in the 2025-04-08 agenda packet (1778_04_08_2025_City_Council_Agenda_Packet.pdf, packet pp. 273–281).

Built only from this meeting's draft minutes (1725_02_20_2025_Code_Board_Agenda_Packet.pdf, packet pp. 9–12). Page numbers are the minutes' own. Discussion is in the minutes' text; it is not summarised here.

Attendance (the roll call)

Listed present when the roll was taken: Lloyd Roberts, George Brown, Josue Otero, Dik Muller, Michael Simpson
(Checked against the ballots and the printed roll lines; no independent membership list of this board is available to confirm that the roll is complete.)
Listed absent: Gloria Weatherspoon, Sharri Scott, Melissa Acosta
Also listed as present (staff and other roles): Tom Wilkinson (Code Enforcement Manager), Micheal Mack (Code Enforcement Officer), Justin Simpson (Code Enforcement Officer), Jason Brimm (Code Enforcement Officer), Kristin Eick (Board Attorney), Darla Crowl (Recording Secretary), Evander Collier IV (Police Chief)

Adopted actions (4)

to run for Chairman (moved by Roberts); CARRIED — the draft minutes, packet pp. 9–12
to approve to the agenda of January 16, 2025 (moved by Brown, seconded by Otero); CARRIED — the draft minutes, packet pp. 9–12
to amend Staff’s recommendation and find the Owner in Non-Compliance (moved by Simpson, seconded by Otero); CARRIED — the draft minutes, packet pp. 9–12
to amend staff’s recommendation to City Council the lien reduction be in the amount of fourteen thousand dollars ($14,000.00) (moved by Roberts, seconded by Brown); CARRIED 4-1 — the draft minutes, packet pp. 9–12

Motions for which no result was read from the minutes' text (1)

to approve staff’s recommendation to City Council the lien reduction be in the amount of one thousand six hundred eighty-five dollars and sixteen cents ($1,685.16) Vote on the motion 2 Yay (Mr. Otero and Mr. Brown) 3 Nay (Mr. Roberts, Mr. Simpson and Mr. Muller) motion denied (moved by Brown, seconded by Otero); no result was read for this motion from the minutes' text — the draft minutes, packet pp. 9–12

Money named in the minutes' motions (what each motion did with the amount, in its own words)

$1,685.16 — Code Enforcement: in draft minutes not approved as written (not counted as adopted): named in a motion for which no result was read. “approve staff’s recommendation to City Council the lien reduction be in the amount of one thousand six hundred eighty-five dollars and sixteen cents ($1,685.16) Vote on the motion 2 Yay (Mr. Otero and Mr. Brown) 3 Nay (Mr. Roberts, Mr. Simpson and Mr. Muller) motion denied” (motion result: none read; the draft minutes printed for approval in the 2025-02-20 agenda packet (1725_02_20_2025_Co; fiscal period not recorded) (draft minutes printed in the City's agenda packet of 2025-02-20, pp. 9–12; approved by the Code Enforcement Board according to the draft minutes of 2025-02-20, whose own approval is recorded in later draft minutes but not yet confirmed in the City's approved minutes; the motion does not say whether they were amended)
$14,000.00 — Code Enforcement: in draft minutes not approved as written (not counted as adopted): recommended to another body (City Council decides; not a final approval). “amend staff’s recommendation to City Council the lien reduction be in the amount of fourteen thousand dollars ($14,000.00)” (motion result: CARRIED; the draft minutes printed for approval in the 2025-02-20 agenda packet (1725_02_20_2025_Co; fiscal period not recorded) (draft minutes printed in the City's agenda packet of 2025-02-20, pp. 9–12; approved by the Code Enforcement Board according to the draft minutes of 2025-02-20, whose own approval is recorded in later draft minutes but not yet confirmed in the City's approved minutes; the motion does not say whether they were amended)

Draft minutes, as printed in a later agenda packet

Source: 1725_02_20_2025_Code_Board_Agenda_Packet.pdf, the agenda packet of the 2025-02-20 meeting, packet pp. 9–12; lines 225–369 of the City's text of that file. The packet's own page footers are left out below.

Read the draft minutes

Meeting Minutes
January 16, 2025
A meeting of the Code Enforcement Board of the City of Cocoa was held on Thursday, January
16, 2025, in the Council Chambers at 65 Stone Street, Cocoa, as publicly noticed.
OPENING MATTERS:
Chairman Roberts called the meeting to order at 6:00 P.M. The Board Secretary called the roll.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Lloyd Roberts Chairman
George Brown Jr. Vice Chairman
Josue Otero Board Member
Dik Muller Board Member
Michael Simpson Board Member
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Gloria Weatherspoon 1rst Alternate-excused
Sharri Scott Board Member-excused
Melissa Acosta Board Member-excused
OTHERS PRESENT:
Tom Wilkinson Code Enforcement Manager
Micheal Mack Code Enforcement Officer
Justin Simpson Code Enforcement Officer
Jason Brimm Code Enforcement Officer
Kristin Eick Board Attorney
Darla Crowl Recording Secretary
Evander Collier IV Police Chief
The Board Secretary swore in all Staff members giving testimony.
NEW BUSINESS:
1. Election of Code Enforcement Board Chairman
Motion by Mr. Roberts to run for Chairman. Vote on the motion carried unanimously.
2. Election of Code Enforcement Vice Chairman
Vote for Vice Chair was voted on to be moved to the February 20, 2025 Code Board
Meeting. Vote on the motion (3) Yay-Mr. Simpson, Mr. Roberts, Mr. Muller (2) Nay-Mr.
Otero, Mr. Brown.

Code Enforcement Board
Agenda
January 16, 2025
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APPROVAL OF AGENDA AND MINUTES:
1.Approval of Agenda: January 16, 2025
Motion by Vice Chair. Brown, seconded by Mr. Otero, to approve to the agenda of January 16,
2025. Vote on the motion carried unanimously.
2.Approval of Meeting Minutes: November 21, 2024.
Vote on the motion carried unanimously. To approve the minutes of the November 21, 2024
meeting.
3. Submit to the record of all documents & notices for all cases on the Agenda.

CASES:
1. CE-24-279 – 1112 Ohio Street
Tabled.
NON-COMPLIANCE:
2. CE-24-152 – 1302 Japonica
Code Enforcement Officer Micheal Mack provided an overview of the Case history and
presented exhibits for the Board’s review. Officer Mack testified that the Property Owner is in
violation of Accessory Structures Ch 6 Sec. 6-1001 (g), Exterior Structure Sec. 6-1003 (a),
twenty-five dollars ($25.00) Exterior Structure (Walls), Sec. 6-1003 (f) and twenty-five
dollars ($25.00) Permit Required, App. A Art. XV Sec. 2 (a) of the City of Cocoa Code. Officer
Mack stated a Notice of Hearing was sent on January 6, 2025, and property owner remains in
violation.
Attorney Eick explained to the Board Members when violations are in compliance prior to the
Code Board they will not be fined. The only violations that can receive a fine would be the
violations still in noncompliance. More discussion amongst the Board members and Attorney
Eick asked Officer Mack to verify that no permits have been pulled. Officer Mack responded that
she was correct that no permits have been pulled. More discussion amongst the Board members
and staff.
Motion by Mr. Simpson seconded by Mr. Otero, amend Staff’s recommendation and find the
Owner in Non-Compliance. Vote on the motion carried unanimously.
3. CE-23-172 – 518 S Kentucky Ave
Tabled.

Code Enforcement Board
Agenda
January 16, 2025
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Lien Reductions:
1. CE-20-1252 – 1203 Alamanda Lane
The Code Enforcement Board held a public hearing on February 18, 2021, at which time the Board
found the owner, SAI PROPERTY INVESTMENT INC in violation of the following:
XXII.Permit Required App A Art. XV Sec 2 (a) XXVIII.Rental Business Tax, Ch 6 Sec. 6-2003
The Code Enforcement Board provided the owner sufficient time to correct said violation. Therefore,
consistent with the Code Enforcement Board’s Order a Non-Compliance Hearing was held on June
18, 2021.
The lien ran at $25.00 per day from May 21st, 2021 until compliance was achieved on May 23, 2024
Code records show onsite inspections were conducted by Officers Steven Murdick, Augusto
Gonzalez and Myself. The case was closed leaving a fine of $27,450.00. The current owner, is
requesting that the lien be reduced to $1000.00.
Staff utilized the following factors in making its recommendation to reduce the lien:
•Whether the current owner owned the property at the time the violation(s) occurred; No
•Applicant resides at the property: NO
•The number of violations related to the subject lien; Two
•Number of Inspections performed: 11
• Property Taxes: Taxes are paid through 2024
• Other Liens: Records show no outstanding liens on the property. No water liens
• Property Inspection: The property was inspected this morning, January 16, 2025
and was in-compliance before the Code Board Hearing. An inspection will also
occur prior to the Council Meeting

The current market value of the subject property; the current market value is $147,350 according the
Brevard County Property Appraiser as a Single-Family Residence.
Staff submits their cost sheet and the in the total amount of $1,685.16

Staff’s recommendation is that the fine/lien be reduced to $1,685.16 which is the cost of staff to
prosecute this case. This reduction is based on the gravity of the violations, the length of time it took
the property to come into compliance, and the total amount of the City’s Cost.
Chairman Roberts asked Manager Wilkinson the date the case started to when it came into
compliance to stop the lien. The case started in October of 2020, found in violation in May of
2021. The fines accumulated for 3 years with 2 violations. Attorney Spira stated he was there to
answer any questions about the property. Chairman Roberts wanted to know why the property
owner did not try and take care of the violations sooner. Attorney Spira stated that the property

Code Enforcement Board
Agenda
January 16, 2025
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owner had problems finding contactors during Covid19 to do the work and finish the work. More
discussion amongst the Board members, property attorney and staff.
Property attorney representative: Steve Spira, Spira Law Group.
Motion by Vice Chair Brown, seconded by Mr. Otero to approve staff’s recommendation to City
Council the lien reduction be in the amount of one thousand six hundred eighty-five dollars and
sixteen cents ($1,685.16) Vote on the motion 2 Yay (Mr. Otero and Mr. Brown) 3 Nay (Mr.
Roberts, Mr. Simpson and Mr. Muller) motion denied.
Motion by Chairman Roberts, seconded by Vice Chair Brown, to amend staff’s recommendation
to City Council the lien reduction be in the amount of fourteen thousand dollars ($14,000.00).
Vote on the motion carried 4-1- Nay (Mr. Brown) motion past.
2. CE-09-0102 – 1112 Myrtle Lane
Tabled.
NEW BUSINESS
None
Other Business:
None
ABATEMENT APPEALS:
None
Manager Announcements:
None
NEXT MEETING:
The next regular meeting of the Code Enforcement Board will be held on February 20, 2025.
ADJOURNMENT:
There being no further business the meeting adjourned at 6:58 PM.
Approved on this ______ day of ___________________, 2025.
______________________________
Lloyd Roberts, Chairman
______________________________
Darla Crowl, Recording Secretary

Agenda (the City's wording)

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An item without a time link may still have been discussed; the link is only added when the automatic match is strong.

I. Opening Matters

1. Call to Order
2. Invocation
3. Pledge of Allegiance
4. Roll Call

II. Approval of Agenda and Minutes

1. Agenda: Regular Meeting of January 16, 2025.
2. Minutes: Regular Meeting of November 21, 2024.

III. Cases

IV. Non-Compliance

V. Lien Reductions

VI. New Business

VII. Other Business

VIII. Abatement Appeals

IX. Manager Announcements

X. Next Meeting Date

XI. Adjournment

Transcript Partial transcript

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I'm

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to call this meeting to order this code enforcement meeting January 16, 2025. We'll start off with our call to order.

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voting. um We have to vote for our chairman and vice chair. So we'll start off with cheer first. um

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Aye. Aye. Aye. it's unanimous So chair. and Vote pass unanimously and vote for vice chair. I'm

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going for re-election. All

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in favor of Mr. Brown. Say aye.

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not 100 sure on this, if I want to run for vice. yeah so i can just ask. Yes, sir. Okay. I'd like to i'd like to uh run for vice chairman.

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do is you would open the floor for nominations. And if there's more than one nomination, then you would vote on those individuals in the order, you know, in like alphabetical order or whatever. And the person who receives the majority would be elected. So, um since we have two, then that that's what I would suggest is you take them in order.

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So we have uh two that are running now. So, and I apologize for not asking up front.

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just, because I know before we had, we wrote it, but we're doing that we're

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Yeah, i think the I think that will work for for for purposes of the c thing Yeah. I

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just want to make sure that we are doing things by the book.

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I didn't know how there

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was because last time they did it on a piece of

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Right. So that's why that's why I was asking.

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Well, there's no secret ballots anyway. You would have to put your name on it. um But if you would like to do it by writing it down on a piece of paper, that's fine too. Or you can just do a verbal, um you know, ‸ a verbal motion.

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And then we would count the votes. So. I

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have a comment. ‸ No questions Before that. um

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give a an option?

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Sure. the the The board can do either one. ‸ But if you're going to use, if you're going to write it down on a sheet of paper, you do have to write your name,

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All right. I'm sorry, ‸ One question was, uh and should we continue the vote even though we have some people missing from the board?

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um That is up to the board. I mean, if you would like to postpone until um next month, I believe that's fine as long as, um you know, the chair is willing to serve right now. And I assume you are, because you you're you're actually the chair. So, um

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if you'd like to postpone the vice chair the next meeting um

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then it's sort of like the same thing as this month. I mean, hoping that everybody will show up. Right. So, let's go ahead and

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continue. To the will of the board, what would you like to continue to next month? A vote to continue next month. All in favor of next month, say aye. Aye. If that's what you want, i

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go with it.

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‸ so. Yeah,

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cuz it'll

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be the same thing if what if people don't show up next month. Okay. So,

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the vote for next month is three

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to two. For the vice

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chair.

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did that.

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oh yeah, no, it's just a question. i just I was just asking if it was logical to do that. But then again, it doesn't matter because we don't know what the next month is going to bring.

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All right. All right. So next we'll go with the approval for the agenda for tonight. There'll be some modifications. You know, we have such a huge, huge agenda, you know. Item number one has been tabled. on Item number two, which is non-compliance yeah We're

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cited. um Number one has been removed. And item number three has been removed. That will be accessory structures and exterior structures.

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the other two still remaining two and four.

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lien reductions, item number two has been tabled.

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With those modifications, I'll take a vote to approve the agenda.

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Make a motion to approve the agenda.

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Second.

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I have a motion on the floor by Mr. Brown second by Mr. Otero and Mr. Mueller all

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We have the approval of the meeting minutes for November 21st 2024 there any

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that means it all in favor of approving the November meeting minutes, say aye. ‸ Motion passed unanimously. ‸ all right, we'll have the

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of the document packet and I know it's rip is big so you know waiting for it to be

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I'm

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sorry Mr. chair waiting

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for the documents to be submitted

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asking for to submit the

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oh I'm sorry yes ‸ ask for a permit submittal of the documents to

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the

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All right. So done. So with that being said, we are on to our cases, a big caseload here. item number two, before we go there question we have, usually

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running together the reason for that I'm

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sorry I

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one through whatever and then non-compliance starts one through whatever. That's why he's asking oh

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if you would like me to do that I can we can definitely do that I'm please

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because It's not an issue right now. Okay.

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But

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when we get into when we have like 10, 15 cases, as

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far as numbering on the agenda, you're asking to start from the top. ‸ Please. Yes.

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All right. Thank you very much. now now moving on, non-compliance cases,

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for the record my name is Michael Mack code enforcement officer Based upon the photo evidence and testimony presented at this hearing, the code enforcement officer finds the subject property was found in violation of the code board's order I would like to enter the physical and electronic code enforcement case file into the record. that's now finally photo

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the exterior structure section 6-1003 F folder number two depicts January from on the date of

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inspection shows violation

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a For case number 24-152, staff is requesting that the board find the the property not in compliance with the

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following

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violations listed below of the board the board's

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be imposed of 25 per day per violation be recorded by the city

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6-1003 F and permit required there will be

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Mr. Mack, Mr. Wilkinson.

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Yes, sir.

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On this slide, we have exterior structures,

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section 6-1003 F but we

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that so what we should have if I'm not mistaken by what I'm looking at is

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would agree sir

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okay so I would suggest that because we moved at the the board moved at the beginning of the meeting to approve the agenda as modified with

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add F back in and remove

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now the question is which is correct?

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the correct answer would be A

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that A should be removed

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just by my my standards because

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saying C was always a safe answer

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so yes it was

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was a just pick it so on this the way I read it is A for many the exterior of A should

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be removed

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F should be added

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okay

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now

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‸ now this case is under non-compliance, so we shouldn't even be talking about a $25

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they're either in compliance or

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noncompliant.

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So that's, again, a reason why it should be separated to where the regular cases and then non-compliance, and

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we've had, we have a mistake on both sides here.

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mr. chairman I referenced the $20 the $25 fine per violation because that's what was in the board's order

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because at this point if we're

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we shouldn't even talk about that it's either compliant or non-compliant

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okay

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when a certain When a certain violation is corrected, they stop at that date, and then each one that's still going gets fined.

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so technically it's not non-compliance

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violations

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may I ask a question please just to clarify so for the officers so accessory structures

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your testimonies those are in compliance correct

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compliance and 61001 G is in compliance Okay.

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Those are in compliance, so there would be no fine imposed for those because they they came into compliance within the time ordered by the board. yes so what I think their staff is trying to present to the board is that there will be potentially two violations that will that were are in non-compliance and there will be a $25 a day fine imposed for those two. correct And they're just trying to inform the board of that. It's not imposing any new fines or changing the board's order from pre from the previous hearing

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Okay. So now just from ‸ board standpoint, is anybody else thoroughly confused? because again I understand what they're saying but that's not the way it had been before

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um it's I think it's just been

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and that was it It wouldn't be, it wouldn't be that we are, are, what is it? What is the word? I forgot the word just doing it separately right you see ‸ I'm saying it was just like you in non-compliance compliance and that's just that was it for the whole thing and not just does that I mean like like like you in compliance or you non-compliance and that was it or just you know we

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think I understand so yes the with and recall that we have talked about before that with new cases that have come out

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of violation are prepared and we are making recommendations on fines for each individual violation and so um when a non-compliance case comes back to you, you do need to determine each violation individually whether or not they have come into compliance. You are not saying you're just in non-compliance for you know for all of them. you're You're determining that for each violation individually.

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so essentially this is just my thought and maybe I'm thinking too far so if it's if it's done like this we're gonna ‸ have a almost a separate case for each violation. When you look at it, because now instead of, okay, they had four violations and usually they're supposed

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they had to have all these violations completed by the date. So now they have they complete two and still have two left. So now we're still now they're being separated. Correct. correct

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correct

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the two previous corrected if I'm not mistaken were uh

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no actually I didn't do an inspection until today and when I went out to do the

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corrected as of today

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can I ask the attorney a question please if we uh you have ‸ on the order they're finding the fact for the August hearing we had four violations So if they, uh for the compliance here and you had

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comply, wouldn't we keep the same case file and have the same order? Just ratifying that these two came in compliance at this date and

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if the board so chooses to do so. Right.

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you wouldn't have separate cases for each violation. You would just have you'd ratify the order and the order would be recorded in the clerk's office.

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Right. But you're determining for each violation that was cited, you are determining whether they have come into compliance or not. And

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if there are two violations out of the four that have come into compliance, then there's no fine imposed for those. And

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because

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been cured it's cured, it's

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cured now

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They reverted and now one of the previous violations that was cured is now no longer cured. Are we gonna ‸ open that back up? It's kind of like a wormhole.

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That would, in my experience, sir, we would have to start a completely new case. And

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mm-hmm but if and correct me if I'm wrong

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no that's correct

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so if for example if one of these ones we complied this this evening we'd have to start a whole new case send, give them a notice of violation, give them time to correct, then bring it back in front of the board, possibly as a repeat or just a regular case.

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So again, we could have the same case with two different case numbers.

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on the regular agenda I'm just am I crazy

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but they would be a repeat for us it would start the fine would start the day that the the violation started.

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But still we're, we still essentially have the same address with two different cases in two different areas.

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violations that are listed under one case number is that I don't know if that helps

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no because he ‸ would have a open up a new case number because it will be now it will be under that it I'm sorry to interrupt

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sir that's if the ones you comply tonight later on next week or next month they have the same type of violations then it would be a new case brought from the board but it'd be the same violation has that happened yes

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saying

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mr chairman

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okay all right

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just make sure I wasn't crazy okay ‸ so moving on so now what we need to do is make a motion to

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amend the agenda

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Can we make a motion to amend the agenda to take one off without reopening the other? ‸ because again my thing my thought process again like I said before we have to be spot on spot

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spot

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on because

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we are the face of the city at this point. So these clerical errors errors that we're having, um

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it's

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it's kind of redundant now.

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I'd

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just like to see us in a better light

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don't know what the fix is. I'm just, because we had these, we had errors last month when we

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a difference on the on the motion.

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You have something, Chief?

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Mr. Chair, I just want to interject right quick so I can make sure that

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we're

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all on the same page. So so you if you have an individual that have say, four violations, they go out and check, they fix two. When they put it on the agenda for your review when it comes up, technically, in my opinion,

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not fixed. So it should be on the agenda, and I just want to make sure you're on the same page, as non-compliant. They can still update the board if you want to make any other changes,

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That's the way it's always been in past.

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Right, right. And I agree. I just want to make sure you're on the same page. Yes, ‸ But she...

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No.

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in compliance are in compliance, and the two that are not are in non-compliance. You would make the differentiation there. Okay, so... Not just say they're all in non-compliance Okay.

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So as far as the gender purposes, you would have two sections, kind of what he was talking about, where you have compliance with the two. And in the non-compliance area, you have the same address.

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think what's getting

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confusing is that when we when we label on the agenda non-compliance cases, really they're

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We have to determine whether or not

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person has come into compliance within the time ordered by the board. So when, when, even though on the agenda it's labeled as non-compliance it doesn't necessarily mean that all of these that are listed here are in non-compliance It means it really

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hearings, which is what we're doing. We're determining whether or not the, the violations were corrected within the time previously ordered by the board.

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Okay. And

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maybe that's the confusion is that right now they're all labeled as non-compliance

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Right. Because we just want to make sure we understand so I can make sure moving forward that we, we present,

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So I'm pretty clear now as far as what the expectations are and we can make those corrections.

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complicated. What if they go and fix one of the violations after we make the motion and it's fixed?

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the next

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I mean, these are taken care of

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and

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I don't think that makes much difference. Just vote it

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what you said,

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Yes, sir. So, essentially, it looks like we were just, because the way it's been separated before, it seems like we're getting away from even separating it and then everything is just running into each other. It's like pouring colors together.

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workshop we had talked about doing is a is this something that they think we need to get us along the same page

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yeah

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that perhaps, perhaps maybe

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a little bit before the next meeting or something to kind of go through this and and walk through it again

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I mean

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prefer.

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I'm going back to this case now so we have to motion to remove item number two and reopen item number three.

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motion

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to approve

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have a motion on the floor with the second all in favor say I

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Mr. chair may I ask one question yes ma'am for the code enforcement officer just is it your testimony on the permit required a violation so that'd be number four that no permit was applied for I don't think he heard me That's okay. My question was

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that no permit was applied for?

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Yeah, as of this morning around 10 30 I looked in the citizen serve and there was no permit in the system for that a conversion of it from... ‸ for that, for that conversion right there, and that was a, area. It was a window. So they closed it in. But as of this morning, Approximately, 10 30 in the citizen serve system, there was not a permit pulled for that.

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Thank you.

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‸ anyone here for the property? is there anyone here for the property? No, there was no one here for the property. Okay. So, ‸ just want to be clear. So we're treating this as ‸ regular case,

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do you mean by that?

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not they have come into compliance within the time period that you the board previously ordered

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And

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we only find in

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the, um number three exterior structure and number four permit required to be ‸ found in non-compliance. Correct.

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okay

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sir all right throw with it uh in

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number three exterior structure uh walls and number four permit required

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found in compliance

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second have a motion on the floor with

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the

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second all in favor say aye aye those opposed motion passes unanimously

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Hey, lean reduction still in the section by itself.

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Hey.

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All right. So we're at our lean reductions. We have

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the Board found the property owner in violation for a permit required and for a business tax license.

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therefore consistent with the Code Enforcement Board order of non-compliance was hold on June 18th of 2021.

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May 23rd of 2024. Code records on site selections were conducted by officers Murdoch and Augusto. The case live in a

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the lien

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on January 16th, 2025, was in

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compliance.

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The inspection will also recur to the City Council prior if this reduction is approved by the Board. The current market value

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Going back, so they were

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found in

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violation in May 2021, correct? Correct. And it, everything was corrected in May 2023?

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uh 2024

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I'm sorry.

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Okay, I'm sorry, 2024. So,

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it. um when they were first found in violation, when they were first notified that they were in violation to the time that it came to the board, can you give me that time frame?

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Notice the violation was sent. Which notice the from the initial date of the case, sir? Yes, sir.

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‸ October

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and they were that's when the first property was first notified so October 2020

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and they stayed in violation

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fines accumulating for three years and how many

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violations again please

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they were a permit required and for ‸ rental business tax license

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according to according

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for the property sir

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okay what can you tell us sir

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just here to answer any questions that I can here on behalf of the petitioner and answer whatever I

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can you tell me what the violations had two violations was there was

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there

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a rental property I believe it yes it is a rental property and your your client owned the property at that time

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believe so yes so what I'm trying to get to is your client on this property at that time. They had two violations. They have multiple properties in which they had to had to do maintenance on those properties and had to get business tax receipts for those properties what was going on that they didn't take care of this property and I asked that question for specifically and I'm gonna put it just plain plain as I can be it's ‸ in the area where we would normally call the hood so is there a reason why your client did not give attention to this

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not that I'm aware of your honor

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as you look through the time frame, it was

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so we're in the middle of COVID. And he just referenced to me he's that he had problems with contractors that didn't complete the work, then problem finding people that he could rely on to complete work that's that's the information that I have

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that I present ‸ issue with this because that's my neighborhood. to To have a running business and for it to take this long to get that taken care of, then they send you here to ask

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spend

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sir

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you stand here yeah but

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you're uh sir we are we would be agreeable to the recommendation of this

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no I and I'm saying I'm not you know I know that the original petition probably said a thousand you know I know that

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the

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recommendation was 1685 I wouldn't argue ‸ for the thousand

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uh Does anyone have any questions? Yes. Yes,

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sir. um This picture is present. Are they using that swimming pool for a fence no

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there's a gate there they just used it to prop it up I look behind it there was no no debris anything like that. It's just prop up against the gate on the fence. Okay.

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And

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we have no other issues with it presently correct no

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sir

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um I just want to let the board know and the attorney said it too um unfortunately those dates were ‸ doing covid and some people had some hard time trying to find labor and

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I agree I understand and uh I can't say I sympathize with them because I had

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twice um and so the city were sympathetic to people also simply the city gave people grace lots of grace

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anything

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I have one question um so do do you know if the property was being rented out at the time of at at this time or was it vacant the whole time that the whole time that that that uh this this this has been running I've got it has been running for I don't have that information unfortunately so wait I'm sorry I'm sorry one more question

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and

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that was just that they needed permits and and renters Business tax license.

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Business tax license, correct.

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they're paying their attorney. They could at least sit in the maintenance guy or somebody that did some kind of work that actually knows something about the property because they just said the attorney and the attorney has nothing besides he's here representing them.

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But okay so this is this is today so ‸ did does somebody is somebody renting a property now?

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unfortunately

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I would imagine that it is rented at this time so

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I'd

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have to I'd

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have to confirm that I'm asking because like the this it's it's a a lien that's been going and then they've been making money I follow off of it from this property and and just now coming into compliance and it's not that work I mean because it's just like if ‸ I'm not mistaken and I'm I'm a truck driver so like you just go and apply for your license right? And

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So it that in this time in that time frame,

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two to three years, they didn't have nobody in the property the whole time, and now you have somebody in there so

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and now you ask I mean now they're coming for a lien reduction but you know I mean to me and not against you but to me and I'm just gonna voice myself you've been making probably

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a month for the last two years, or they have, and now you coming in coming in saying, hey, we want to lean asking for a

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think it's a little presumptuous as to the amount of the rent and whether or not it was taken in I don't know that I don't have the answer to that right right you may have the answer to that because you have the water bills so you may know if there were tenants there or not I I don't right

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but I'm just just hypothetical no I that somebody's been living there and then because

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done followed followed this time because it could have went another year before they applied for their license I mean you know just get this permits required that they needed so I I'm just that's that's my voice that's all

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‸ yes sir

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How far

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that?

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They're charging at least $1,000 for rent.

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That does not make any difference in this case whatsoever. Okay, yes sir.

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It's been done before

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do it now.

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nothing to do with this case.

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With

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that said, are you

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seconding?

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I want to say something before you do

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it.

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‸ Thank you for coming. I understand what you're saying. But I also, because of COVID, doing that time period, and I totally understand they're still making money. I'm going to second Mr. Brown's motion.

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Thank you. I have a motion on the floor with a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Those opposed? Nay.

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Nay.

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That motion is dead. I'll make a motion. In this case, I'd like to make a motion for 14,000 even.

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Second.

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I have a motion on the floor with a second. All in favor say aye.

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Aye.

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‸ Those opposed?

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there a reason that that number was ‸ thrown out for ‸ the motion? Just so I

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can understand. Three years. Because it could have been 27. So the motion passes.

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So who is the second?

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I'm sorry, say again?

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Mr. Brown was the second.

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Once it's been, ‸ because once the motion is made and it's seconded, it's before the board at that point.

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The

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motion passes unanimously.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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He just didn't second it. So it's four to one. I mean, I'm sorry. But ‸ he seconded it. He did second it. Thank you.

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seconded

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it.

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Yeah.

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Okay. And then when was the vote taken?

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We voted. It was voted. It was voted. And everybody said aye.

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So you

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did vote.

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I voted wrong. And I rescinded on that. You can amend your. We're amending stuff all the time and stuff.

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So the attorney says that's in record.

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And that would go before the city council. Yes, sir.

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Yes, sir.

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Okay.

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So still have a chance to see what they say. All right.

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Most different. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. So our next meeting will be February 20th. We will also have our vote for the vice chair.

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Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead, sir.

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Yes, sir.

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vice chair nominations. Okay. Please. And thank you.

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All right. All

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right. So

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if there's nothing else, I make a motion to adjourn the meeting.

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Motion on the floor with a second. All in favor say ‸ aye. Aye.

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