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Attendance (the roll call)
Listed present when the roll was taken: Mike Blake, Lavander Hearn, Herbert "Rip" Dyal, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss
(Checked against the ballots and the printed roll lines.)
Absences: no absence line could be read from the minutes' text, so none is stated here; the first page of the minutes is the record.
Also listed as present (staff and other roles): Anthony A. Garganese (City Attorney), Stockton Whitten (City Manager), Carie E. Shealy (City Clerk), Jack Walsh (Utilities Director), Tammy Gemmati (Administrative Services Director), Evander Collier IV (Chief of Police), Rebecca Bowman (Finance Director), Jonathan Lamm (Fire Chief), Abigail Morgan (Acting Public Works Director)
Named on at least one ballot later in the meeting: Alex Goins, Herbert "Rip" Dyal, Lavander Hearn, Lorraine Koss, Mike Blake (participation, which can differ from the roll: arrivals and departures are in the minutes' text)
Adopted actions (10)
to approve the Agenda as Amended, by moving Council Business Item VII.2 to VII.1, for the Regular meeting of August 9, 2022, as presented (moved by Mike Blake, seconded by Herbert "Rip" Dyal); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Lavander Hearn, Herbert "Rip" Dyal, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 2
to approve the Minutes for the Regular meeting of May 26, 2022, as presented (moved by Lorraine Koss, seconded by Lavander Hearn); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Lavander Hearn, Herbert "Rip" Dyal, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 2
to approve the Consent agenda (moved by Herbert "Rip" Dyal, seconded by Lavander Hearn); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Lavander Hearn, Herbert "Rip" Dyal, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 4
1. Approval of Ordinance 09-2022 on Second & Final Reading regarding updates to the Special Events Ordinance. (22-442) — to approve Ordinance No. 09-2022 on Second and Final Reading (moved by Herbert "Rip" Dyal, seconded by Lavander Hearn); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Lavander Hearn, Herbert "Rip" Dyal, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 4
1. Consider the Appointment of one of the following applicants to fulfill the unexpired term of Jeri Blanco, on the Planning & Zoning Board: — to appoint Aleck Greenwood as the Regular member on the Planning & Zoning Board (moved by Herbert "Rip" Dyal, seconded by Alex Goins); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Lavander Hearn, Herbert "Rip" Dyal, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 5
1. Consider the Appointment of one of the following applicants to fulfill the unexpired term of Jeri Blanco, on the Planning & Zoning Board: — to appoint Thomas Barton as the 2nd Alternate on the Planning & Zoning Board (moved by Lavander Hearn, seconded by Alex Goins); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Lavander Hearn, Herbert "Rip" Dyal, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 6
2. Request Council direction on the Expanded Outdoor Dining provision set to expire on August 9, 2022. (22-436) — to approve Option #2 with the stipulation of staff bringing back ideas and costs and examples of other cities who have had this issue; how the selection would be done of what types of businesses can do it; as well as safety measures (moved by Alex Goins, seconded by Herbert "Rip" Dyal); CARRIED 4-1; ayes: Lavander Hearn, Herbert "Rip" Dyal, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss; nays: Mike Blake — the draft minutes p. 7
1. Approve the Preliminary Assessment Resolution No. 2022-075 for Fire Protection, for Fiscal Year 2023. (22-430) — to Approve the Preliminary Assessment Resolution No. 2022 -075 for Fire Protection, for Fiscal Year 2023 (moved by Herbert "Rip" Dyal, seconded by Alex Goins); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Lavander Hearn, Herbert "Rip" Dyal, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 10
2. Approve the Preliminary Assessment Resolution No. 2022-076 for Stormwater Utility Services, Fiscal Year 2023. (22-434) — to Approve the Preliminary Assessment Resolution No. 2022 -076 for Stormwater Utility Services, Fiscal Year 2023 (moved by Herbert "Rip" Dyal, seconded by Lavander Hearn); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Lavander Hearn, Herbert "Rip" Dyal, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 11
to adjourn the Regular meeting of August 9, 2022 (moved by Herbert "Rip" Dyal, seconded by Lavander Hearn); CARRIED 5-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Lavander Hearn, Herbert "Rip" Dyal, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss; nays: none — the draft minutes p. 14
Motions not adopted (2)
3. Provide Direction to Staff for Funding and New Policies, if Necessary, for the Indian River Drive Septic to Sewer Conversion Areas J & K. — to approve Option #1 (moved by Herbert "Rip" Dyal, seconded by Mike Blake); DIED; ayes: Mike Blake, Herbert "Rip" Dyal; nays: Lavander Hearn, Alex Goins — the draft minutes p. 10
3. Provide Direction to Staff for Funding and New Policies, if Necessary, for the Indian River Drive Septic to Sewer Conversion Areas J & K. — to approve Option #2 (moved by Lavander Hearn, seconded by Alex Goins); DIED; ayes: Lavander Hearn, Alex Goins; nays: Mike Blake, Herbert "Rip" Dyal — the draft minutes p. 10
Motions for which no result was read from the minutes' text (1)
1. Consider the Appointment of one of the following applicants to fulfill the unexpired term of Jeri Blanco, on the Planning & Zoning Board: — to appoint Aleck Greenwood as the Regular Member and Wesley Park, as the Alternate member, for discussion (moved by Herbert "Rip" Dyal, seconded by Alex Goins); no result was read for this motion from the minutes' text — the draft minutes p. 5
Money named in the minutes' motions (what each motion did with the amount, in its own words)
$2,500 — Council: Consent agenda item 3, approved with the Consent agenda. “Approve a Budget Resolution, Amending the FY2022 Budget, BAF# 22 -120-A in the amount of $2,500.” (motion result: CARRIED; the draft minutes printed for approval in the 2022-09-27 agenda packet (490_CC_Reg_Packet_; fiscal period not recorded) (draft minutes printed in the City's agenda packet of 2022-09-27; approved as written by the City Council on 2022-09-27 according to the City's minutes)
$5,500 — Council: Consent agenda item 3, approved with the Consent agenda — authorized up to (a spending limit, not an amount spent). “Approve Change Order #2 for PO 79626 and Project Resolution authorizing the City Manager to issue the change order with a project contingency, not to exceed $5,500 for the 1219 Duke Way Rehabilitation Project.” (motion result: CARRIED; the draft minutes printed for approval in the 2022-09-27 agenda packet (490_CC_Reg_Packet_; fiscal period not recorded) (draft minutes printed in the City's agenda packet of 2022-09-27; approved as written by the City Council on 2022-09-27 according to the City's minutes)
$26,000 — Council: Consent agenda item 4, approved with the Consent agenda. “78964 with Inliner Solutions LLC, formerly Granite Inliner LLC, in the Amount of $26,000.” (motion result: CARRIED; the draft minutes printed for approval in the 2022-09-27 agenda packet (490_CC_Reg_Packet_; fiscal period not recorded) (draft minutes printed in the City's agenda packet of 2022-09-27; approved as written by the City Council on 2022-09-27 according to the City's minutes)
Draft minutes, as printed in a later agenda packet
Draft minutes printed in the City's agenda packet of 2022-09-27; approved as written by the City Council on 2022-09-27 according to the City's minutes. The City has not posted the approved minutes as a separate file.
MINUTES
City of Cocoa
Regular Meeting of The City Council
August 9, 2022
A Regular City Council Meeting was held on Tuesday, August 9, 2022, in Cocoa
City Hall, in City Council Chambers, located at 65 Stone Street, in Cocoa, Florida,
32922, as publicly noticed.
I. Opening Matters:
Mayor Blake called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
Deputy Mayor Hearn provided the invocation and Frank Sullivan led the assembly
in the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America.
The City Clerk took the roll.
PRESENT: Michael C. Blake Mayor
Lavander Hearn Deputy Mayor
Rip Dyal Councilmember
Alex Goins Councilmember
Lorraine Koss Councilmember
Anthony Garganese City Attorney
Stockton Whitten City Manager
Carie Shealy City Clerk
OTHER STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT:
Jack Walsh, Utilities Director; Tammy Gemmati, Administrative Services Director;
Charlene Neuterman, Community Se rvices Director; Evander Collier, Chief of
Police; Rebecca Bowman, Finance Director; Jonathan Lamm, Fire Chief; Mitch
Lawyer, Tech Services Supervisor; Abigail Morgan, Acting Public Works Director;
Gail Bantugan, Leisure Services Manager; and Erik Montgome ry, Helpdesk
Support Tech.
II. Approval of Agenda and Minutes:
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1. Agenda: Regular Meeting of August 9 2022. (22-443)
2. Minutes: (a) Minutes of the Budget Priorities & Goal Setting Workshop
of May 26, 2022 (22-345)
* MOTION by Mayor Blake; Seconded by Councilmember Dyal, to approve the
Agenda as Amended, by moving Council Business Item VII.2 to VII.1, for the
Regular meeting of August 9, 2022, as presented.
AYES: Blake, Hearn, Dyal, Goins, Koss
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0)
* MOTION by Councilmember Koss ; Seconded by Deputy Mayor Hearn,
to approve the Minutes for the Regular meeting of May 26, 2022, as
presented.
AYES: Blake, Hearn, Dyal, Goins, Koss
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0)
III. Awards and Presentations:
1. Proclamation: "Central Brevard Humane Society 70th Anniversary". (22-453).
(Theresa Clifton)
Mayor Blake read the proclamation into the record, recognizing the 70 th
Anniversary of the Central Brevard Humane Society. Members of the Society were
in attendance to accept the proclamation. Members spoke on behalf of the
Humane Society and Theresa Clifton spoke about the history of the society as well
as when it was founded. She thanked Cocoa and the community for their ongoing
support. The Tuxes and Tales Gala is on August 27, 2022.
IV. Delegations:
Dr. John N iland, 121 Island Place, Orchid, Florida, Solutions Environmental &
Energy LLC, spoke about fluoride in the water and studies that have been done in
regards to fluorinated water. He provided a packet of information to Council of fifty
reasons to oppose fluoride in the community.
Corey Johnson, Cocoa, advised that he promoted an even t at Marino’s in the
Village over the weekend and they hired the Cocoa Police Department as it was
an all night event. He believed it was good to have their presence there and that
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they have a good relationship with the Chief, Fire Chief, and Council memb ers.
He thanked them again.
Judd Spitzer, Vice President of The Blue Plaid Society , stated that they bring
awareness to the dangers of fentanyl and provided handouts to Council. He gave
some statistics in Brevard County and provided their website which is
BluePlaid.org.
R. Carroll Travis, Cocoa, has walked the Indian River for twen ty years and the
Lagoon has many creatures that depend on it. There is a lot to do with the recovery
of this. It is time to do whatever they can and to understand that the community is
fully supportive to do anything they can to save the Lagoon.
V. Consent Agenda:
(A) General Consent Items:
1. Authorize the City Manager to execute the Agency Cost -Share Agreement
between the Indian River Lagoon (IRL) Council and the City of Cocoa (IRL2022 -
03) for the Dixon Blvd. at Indian River Drive Water Quality and Resiliency Project,
Design and Engineering. Approve a Resolution Amending the FY22 Budget, BAF#
22-115-A recognizing the IRL National Estuary Program (NEP) Funding Revenue
and Transferring Funds from another project to cover the increased cost. (22-373).
(Public Works Director)
2. Approve a 2nd Modification to the Clearlake Road Development Agreement and
authorize the Mayor to sign the agreement. (22-428). (Community Services
Director)
3. Approve a Budget Resolution, Amending the FY2022 Budget, BAF# 22 -120-A in
the amount of $2,500. Approve Change Order #2 for PO 79626 and Project
Resolution authorizing the City Manager to issue the change order with a project
contingency, not to exceed $5,500 for the 1219 Duke Way Rehabilitation Project.
(22-438). (Community Services Director)
4. Approve a Resolution Amending the FY23 Budget, BAF#22 -119-PT. Approve
Change Order # 2 for P.O. 78964 with Inliner Solutions LLC, formerly Granite
Inliner LLC, in the Amount of $26,000. (22-439). (Public Works Director)
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* MOTION by Councilmember Dyal; Seconded by Deputy Mayor Hearn, to
approve the Consent agenda.
AYES: Blake, Hearn, Dyal, Goins, Koss
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0)
VI. Public Hearings:
1. Approval of Ordinance 09-2022 on Second & Final Reading regarding updates to
the Special Events Ordinance. (22-442). (Asst. to the CM/PIO)
Attorney Garganese read Ordinance No. 09 -2022 into the record, by title only as
follows. He advised that this is the second and final reading of the ordinance.
ORDINANCE NO. 09-2022
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF COCOA,
BREVARD COUNTY, FLORIDA; AMENDING CHAPTER 2, ARTICLE XI. –
SPECIAL EVENTS AND PARADES; PROVIDING FOR AMENDMENTS
RELATED TO THE CLOSURE OR GATING OF PARKS, DEFINITIONS,
PERSONNEL SERVICES, REVIEWCRITERIA AND OTHER PROVISIONS;
PROVIDING FOR THEREPEAL OF PRIOR INCONSISTENT ORDINANCES
AND RESOLUTIONS, INCORPORATION INTO THE CODE, SEVERABILITY,
AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
Mayor Bla ke opened the hearing to the public. There being no response, the
public portion of the hearing was closed.
* MOTION by Councilmember Dyal ; Seconded by Deputy Mayor Hearn ,
to approve Ordinance No. 09-2022 on Second and Final Reading.
AYES: Blake, Hearn, Dyal, Goins, Koss
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0)
VII. Council Business:
1. Consider the Appointment of one of the following applicants to fulfill the unexpired
term of Jeri Blanco, on the Planning & Zoning Board: Thomas Barton, Nicholas
Boardman, Katherine Waterloo -Fridl, Wesley Park, or Aleck Greenwood (1st
Alternate). (22-459). (Administrative Services Director)
Councilmember Koss spoke on behalf of Wesley Parks who is the current Chair of
the Utilities Advisory Board. She nominated him for the position.
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Councilmember Dyal shared his experience on the Board of Adjustment stating
that he started as the First Alternate. He believed that Aleck Greenwood should
be selected as the Regular Member and was in favor of Wesley Park as well.
Deputy Mayor Hearn agreed with Councilmember Dyal in regards to Mr.
Greenwood moving up and Mr. Park being selected as an Alternate.
Councilmember Goins reminded Council that at the last meeting they moved an
Alternate to Regular Board Member and they should follow the same precedent.
Nicholas Boardman, applicant, provided a brief background of his experience and
spoke about his profession. He owns several properties in Rockledge. He
explained why he was interested in the position.
Wesley Park , applicant, spoke about his interest on this board and of his
experience on the Utilities Advisory Board. He looked forward to the opportunity
but understands the chain of command. He is the current Chair of the Utilities
Advisory Board. Mayor Blake thanked him and stated his service speaks volume.
Thomas Barton, applicant, stated that he was relatively new to Cocoa and has
been here for around eleven months. He provided a brief background of his
experience and pointed out that he served on a Planning & Zoning Board in
Pennsylvania. He likes to be involved in the community and knows that it starts
with planning and zoning.
Aleck Greenwood, current 1st Alternate to the Planning & Zoning Board, provided
his background and mentioned his family ’s history here in Cocoa. He wants to
continue the positive avenues that the City is taking and help contribute to the
process. He spoke in furtherance about his time as a Cocoa city councilmember
and on CRA boards. He is proud of how the City is growing.
* MOTION by Councilmember Dyal; Seconded by Councilmember Goins, to
appoint Aleck Greenwood as the Regular Member and Wesley Park, as the
Alternate member, for discussion.
Mr. Park was not aware that the Alternate position would be a consideration and
would like to remain as the Chair on the Utilities Advisory Board.
The MOTION WAS RESCINDED AND NEW MOTIONS WERE MADE.
* MOTION by Councilmember Dyal; Seconded by Councilmember Goins, to
appoint Aleck Greenwood as the Regular member on the Planning & Zoning
Board.
AYES: Blake, Hearn, Dyal, Goins, Koss
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THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0)
* MOTION by Deputy Mayor Hearn; Seconded by Councilmember Goins, to
appoint Thomas Barton as the 2nd Alternate on the Planning & Zoning Board.
AYES: Blake, Hearn, Dyal, Goins, Koss
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0)
Merrybeth Burgess (current 2nd Alternate) will move to the 1st Alternate position.
2. Request Council direction on the Expanded Outdoor Dining provision set to expire
on August 9, 2022. (22-436). (Community Services Director)
Mayor Blake provided the options that are being provided by staf f, which are as
follows:
1. Allow the temporary provision to expire on August 9, 2022.
2. Authorize Staff to make the Resolution into a Sidewalk Café
Ordinance to include the use of public parking spaces, sidewalk
public spaces or non-sidewalk public spaces.
Ms. Neuterman provided a detailed history of the outdoor dining resolution. She
further provided a current list of businesses that are utilizing this.
She advised that this was done during the Covid pandemic in order make more
space for these businesses. Ms. Neuterman advised that the City has received
numerous emails and phone calls both in favor of keeping the resolution as well
as letting it expire. If staff is directed to create an ordinance an item would be
brought back to them.
Patrick Evangelista, with Pub Americana, believes that the pandemic is still here.
He stated that by doing outdoor dining it also benefits the City and last year a
petition was submitted with about 99% in favor of it continuing. People come to
Cocoa Village because they do not have outdoor seating where they live . He is
aware of the parking issue but there have been numerous events without any
issues. Additionally, there have not been any security issues. He feels it would
help the City and businesses and makes the Village special.
Jason Estes, with Village Idiot Pub, thanked Council for their help during Covid but
agreed that it is not gone. He believed people feel better if they have the option to
sit outside. Having the extra area really helps and if he knew it was going to be
permanent they would invest to make it look better. He reiterated his feelings about
having the outside area.
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Aleck Greenwood , Cocoa, supports all of the restaurants in the area but the
biggest concern is parking. There is a very high need for parking and he believed
safety was also a concern, as cars are right next to where people are eating.
Councilmember Dyal likes the outside seating and felt that rent could be charged
for the spaces.
Councilmember Goins has been supportive of this with or without Covid. It is a
way for businesses to make money and there have not been any incidents. He
agreed with Councilmember Dyal and felt there needed to be an opportunity for
businesses to permit the spots. He is not against a charge for them either. He
stated that he was in support of Option #2 and only received two calls in opposition
of this.
Councilmember Koss agreed that Covi d is not gone and is still quite a threat so
the desirability of outdoor dining weighs heavily on this decision. She is in support
of it.
Deputy Mayor Hearn has heard great points from all of Council and believed this
to be a great opportunity for both businesses and the City. Additionally, there is
the potential to make some revenue to invest in parking in the Village. He is in
favor of Option #2.
Mayor Blake stressed that safety was his biggest concern and explained his
reasonings why. He further felt that parking in the Village was a prime commodity.
Lastly, he asked how they would select the businesses. He was in support of
Option #1.
* MOTION by Councilmember Goins ; Seconded by Councilmember Dyal, to
approve Option #2 with the stipulation of staff bringing back ideas and costs
and examples of other cities who have had this issue; how the selection
would be done of what types of businesses can do it; as well as safety
measures.
AYES: Hearn, Dyal, Goins, Koss
NAYES: Blake
THE MOTION CARRIED (4-1)
3. Provide Direction to Staff for Funding and New Policies, if Necessary, for the Indian
River Drive Septic to Sewer Conversion Areas J & K. (22-450). (Utilities Director)
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Councilmember Koss stepped down from the dias and submitted her Form 8B1 to
the City Clerk.
Linda Dolphin , Cocoa, provided a slide to Council and discussed costs of the
project. She presented an Option #5 for Council to consider.
Tammy Carter, 1809 Indian River Drive, Cocoa, read over the Sustainability Plan.
She explained what it entailed and felt that the estimates being provided are still
questionable. She asked why stormwater would not be included if this moves
forward. Other options needed to be considered before this is approved.
Juliette Womack, 2006 N. Indian River Drive, Cocoa, has spent a lot of time on this
and spoke on points brought up by citizens such as the inconvenience to residents
on Indian River Drive, oak trees, and utilities.
Frank Sullivan, 1705 N. Indian River Drive, Cocoa, mentioned the Lagoon and that
there was a dead manatee in front of his home because of the condition of the
Lagoon. He believed that you need to know how much this is going to cost before
you go for it. The technology is out there and they need to get something done.
Norris Park, 1117 N. Indian River Drive, Cocoa, agreed with Mr. Sullivan and felt
grants should be approved and financing should be done afterwards. If they are
not applied for by mid-September than it will be 2025 before anything will be done.
Wesley Park, 1112 Abington Street, Cocoa, knows that this is a tough decision but
the citizens are looking for their foresight on this, just like tax increases. Council
had the foresight to know that a tax increase would help in the long run. This item
does not benefit him one bit but the money will not come to Cocoa unless applied
for.
Alan Blood,1809 N. Indian River Drive, received the options and information in
regards to the options. He mentioned some of the addresses that will not receive
grant monies. He thanked Mr. Walsh for the analysis and provided his input on it.
Mr. Walsh addressed some of the comments made and that one was suggest ed
that hookup fees were waived, and he advised that was not possible. Additionally,
using a loan to fund this was not viable. He further pointed out that the analysis
provided to Council had some correct numbers but a lot of stuff was missing and
he would show them the breakdown during his presentation.
1 EXHIBIT A: Form 8B submitted by Councilmember Koss
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Mr. Walsh advised that doing the bidding first was not possible as you cannot go
out for bid without having the funding.
Mr. Walsh provided a presentation2, stating that this was the third time it has been
shown. He moved through the presenta tion and reviewed the project costs in
detail. He showed a summary of the range of costs that would be paid by
homeowners, grant monies, or a combination of both.
Discussion was held on properties and the potential costs at some of the more
cumbersome properties. There are a lot of unknowns.
Lastly, he advised that the funding still needed would be $1,825,865 which is
based on the high side of the cost estimate.
Mr. Walsh advised there are still the same challenges that have been presented in
previous meetings. It needs to be decided who is going to pay for the overages
and if a mandatory ordinance is going to be done that it needs to be decided how
that would be enforced. There is a lot here at stake and every house has
challenges of some sort.
Deputy Mayor Hearn knows the importance of this but felt it was frustrating. He is
confused as to why this was submitted in the first place if it was not feasible. In
response, Mr. Walsh explained that it was automatic and the City did not have a
say in it. The County identified J & K and others along Indian River Drive.
City Manager Whitten stated that these were created by the Tetra Tech Study that
were initiated by the County. This was not initiated by the City.
Councilmember Dyal shared that there were some homeowners for this and some
who were against it. Some have the funds to get a lawyer and while it is being
fought the project cannot move forward. He has seen oak trees die because a
machine gets too close. This project has way too many unknowns but knows it
needs to be done.
Councilmember Goins asked Mr. Walsh about the borings and if the majority could
be bored instead of excavated. Mr. Walsh felt it was a mixture. One house had
two septic systems because they had a guest house in t he back which makes it
even more cumbersome. He agreed there are a lot of unknowns. Mr. Walsh
further shared that one of the properties had a house in the back that was lower
than the house in front of it.
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Councilmember Goins talked about financing and stated that the County has
money in contingency for overages. He believed that as a City, help needed to be
requested from them.
Further discussion was held on the item.
* MOTION by Councilmember Dyal; Seconded by Mayor Blake, to approve
Option #1.
AYES: Blake, Dyal
NAYES: Hearn, Goins
THE MOTION DIED.
* MOTION by Deputy Mayor Hearn ; Seconded by Councilmember Goins, to
approve Option #2.
AYES: Hearn, Goins
NAYS: Blake, Dyal
THE MOTION DIED.
VIII. City Business:
1. Approve the Preliminary Assessment Resolution No. 2022-075 for Fire Protection,
for Fiscal Year 2023. (22-430). (Finance Director)
Ms. Bowman spoke on behalf of the item. It was determined by the City’s
consultants that a 3 percent increase was required for this upcoming year. There
will be two hearings on this.
* MOTION by Councilmember Dyal; Seconded by Councilmember Goins, to
Approve the Preliminary Assessment Resolution No. 2022 -075 for Fire
Protection, for Fiscal Year 2023.
AYES: Blake, Hearn, Dyal, Goins, Koss
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0)
2. Approve the Preliminary Assessment Resolution No. 2022-076 for Stormwater
Utility Services, Fiscal Year 2023. (22-434). (Finance Director)
Ms. Bowman spoke on behalf of the item. it was determined by the City’s
consultants that a 4 ½ percent increase was necessary for FY 2023.
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* MOTION by Councilmember Dyal ; Seconded by Deputy Mayor Hearn,
to Approve the Preliminary Assessment Resolution No. 2022 -076 for
Stormwater Utility Services, Fiscal Year 2023.
AYES: Blake, Hearn, Dyal, Goins, Koss
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0)
IX. Informational Agenda:
None.
X. Reports:
Mr. Norris Park, Chairman of the City’s Fire Pension Board, submitted a financial
report to the City Clerk today. He announced that at the end of June they had lost
$3.3 million but had gotten back $2 million at the end of July. They diversified and
all is going well. They appreciate the support from staff and Council. He advised
he had been elected to the Board of Directors for the Florida Public Pension
Trustees Association and looked forward to representing the City. Mayor Blake
thanked him for his leadership and membership.
Deputy Mayor Hearn thanked him for his continued service and dedication as a
fellow firefighter.
Mayor Blake asked if a homeowner was on septic if they could petition privately as
a homeowner to apply for the advance septic enhancement. Mr. Walsh explained
what would have to be done for them to do so.
Chief Collier provided crime statistics and spoke about community engagement
activities through the Police Department. He stated that twelve Chief’s Walk’s
have been done and he mentioned the benefits of those. There is one coming up
in District 1 at Ixora and Polaris Street. Crime is down 8.3%.
Additionally, a Swearing In Ceremony was held the other day for a new officer who
is a graduate of Cocoa High School.
Mayor Blake read a travel announcement into the record for the Florida League of
Cities Annual Conference, August 10-14, 2022, as follows:
“I, along with Deputy Mayor Hearn and Councilmember Goins will be traveling to
the Florida League of Cities Annual Conference beginning on Wednesday, August
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10th. They will be returning on Saturday, August 13 th and I will be returning on
Sunday, August 14th.
We will be staying at the Diplomat Beach Resort in Hollywood, Florida and the
estimated cost of the trip for all three of us, including registration, hotel
reservations, mileage, parking and per diem will be around $5,085 dollars. This is
budgeted under Council’s travel and per diem account.”
Mayor Blake attended the SCLC Dinner on Monday night and he reminded all that
school starts tomorrow. He asked that everyone be mindful and take their time as
children will be on the streets. He congratulated Deputy Mayor Hearn for receiving
a scholarship from SCLC.
Deputy Mayor Hearn thanked him for the acknowledgement as well as SCLC for
selecting him.
Deputy Mayor Hearn attended the community events with Councilmember Goins
and he thanked the Police and Fire Departments for their participation. He thanked
the Chief for the walks he does.
He echoed the Mayor’s sentiments on being careful with kids going back to school.
In closing, he advised that Endeavor has a lot of kids that walk to school so he will
be starting trash pick-up events back soon. He will keep staff informed.
Councilmember Koss shared that she is a member of the Economic Development
Commission Board and they are moving forward to try to attract businesses to the
Space Coast. There will be a new branding initiative called Mission Space Coast
and that this branding would be more than a logo3.
She was excited about this and noted that the City would be involved to help the
idea spread and to be accepted.
Councilmember Koss sta ted that there are no septic fields in many of the yards
associated with Project J & K. This is 2022 and the Lagoon s its on a regime shift
which is big and hard to reverse. She is not sure what some of her neighbors will
do and she understands how difficult this has been. It is important, yet
inconvenient, but there is no way around it. She appreciates the effort put into this.
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Councilmember Dyal spoke about his attendance at the PAL Awards where the
Chief gave out certificates. He further mentioned that he drove the antique fire
truck to Councilmember Goins’ community event.
Councilmember Dyal added that with Project J & K there are too many unknowns.
Councilmember Goins asked Mayor Blake if he would consider doing Reports at
the beginning of the meeting when there is a larger crowd, because many times
people have left by the time Reports start and they do not get to hear important
things.
Mayor Blake voiced his concerns in regards to moving Reports and stated that i f
you are doing good people are going to recognize it. He will keep an open mind
to it.
Councilmember Goins asked for a consensus from Council to direct the City
Manager and staff to request additional funding for Project J & K.
Deputy Mayor Hearn stated definitely. Councilmember Koss stated that Jack just
does not want to do it, it is a hard project.
Mayor Blake asked Councilmember Koss what she said and she stated it was a
hard project and she does not think we want to do it. Her comment was reiterated
and Mayor Blake stated that was disrespectful.
City Manager Whitten clarified that Councilmember Goins was asking staff to go
to the County to request additional dollars towards the project from their
contingency funds.
Further discussion was held on this request.
* CONSENSUS BY MAYOR BLAKE, DEPUTY MAYOR HEARN,
COUNCILMEMBER DYAL, AND COUNCILMEMBER GOINS FOR STAFF TO
REQUEST ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR PROJECT J & K FROM THE COUNTY.
Mayor Blake apologized to Mr. Walsh again.
Councilmember Goins pointed out that the weight room at Cocoa High was
receiving a makeover and thanked everyone involved with that.
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He spoke about his back to school event and thanked everyone involved. The
community really came together.
He invi ted all men to Emma Jewel Charter Academy at 7:55 a.m. tomorrow
morning to welcome students as they arrive at school. He said it is a neat thing to
be a part of.
In closing, Mayor Blake reminded all to buy local, spend local, and stay local.
XI. Adjournment:
* MOTION by Councilmember Dyal ; Seconded by Deputy Mayor Hearn,
to adjourn the Regular meeting of August 9, 2022.
AYES: Blake, Hearn, Dyal, Goins, Koss
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY (5-0)
The meeting adjourned at 8:39 p.m.
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Michael C. Blake, Mayor
ATTEST:
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Carie Shealy, City Clerk
Agenda (the City's wording)
The City's agenda for this meeting is on file (CC_Reg_Packet_08_09_2022), but its item list has not been read reliably by machine yet, so no outline is shown.
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You just slide the end up and then everything underneath takes place. Then item number 7-1 regarding outdoor seating will become item number 7-2. Also, if anyone has turned in the card to speak under item number 7-2, please pick one person to speak on behalf of everyone, if from the same organization or if comments are alike. All email comments have been received and printed. And here they are, right here, and will be included into the records. So I've made a
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cocoa to BHS to operate an animal shelter. BHS continues to operate the main shelter, low cost wellness clinic, heavenly falls chapel at this location. Say that three times. BHS is
leading advocate for homeless, displaced, and abandoned animals. Okay. They believe in the no kill movement dedicated to speaking for those who cannot speak for themselves.
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We say thank you to your organization and staff because what? Teamwork is what? Dreamwork. And you all make the dream come to reality. So we thank you for being the voice and
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to go. And that is why we have such deep devotion and dedication to the leaders of Cocoa because they saw the flight of the homeless animals. And back then there
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And at that time it was a pretty tough road to go if you were an animal and you were lost or homeless. So between them and the Orange Grove and the lumber mills and the tobacco farmers, that's what put the Humane Society on the map. And we have operated without taxpayer dollars. We're only in existence because of the community support.
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And I'm sure that your fire chief can attest to our need for a new facility. So we are working on raising about $2 million to rebuild our shelter. It's 60 years
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funds who would like to help us out. We would love to have that. But we're definitely 70 years strong and very grateful to the community for all of your support.
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delegation. Please be mindful that you have three minutes to elaborate, expound, communicate on this particular item. And we will start first on the list.
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Years ago, the state of New Hampshire passed a law that when their water reports went out to the people in their communities that were fluoridated, that there had to be a warning put on those reports. And one of the primary reasons they did that was for people in their community that had chronic kidney disease. And there are over 20 million people in the United States today that do have chronic kidney disease.
it's a drug. And that when we drink the water, I'm not sure, your kidneys filter out the majority of the fluoride that you drink. A little over 50% of the fluoride that you drink is filtered out of your body by your kidneys. And when your kidneys aren't working well, your body retains much, much more fluoride than the average person.
And there are literally dozens and dozens and dozens of studies worldwide about that. But two PhD doctors just finished up a study, one from Beth Israel Hospital and the other from Harvard Public School. And they came to the same conclusion. They looked at a bunch of evidence. But what they came to was that the ‸ damage that we're doing to these people ‸ most likely is much worse than we had thought for the last 20 years. So I have given everybody on the council a copy of 50 reasons to oppose fluoridation in your community. And I hope you'll take the time to read it. Thank you very much.
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[00:14:53]▶ PlaySpeaker 13 (introduced as “Corey Johnson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
‸ Good evening, Mayor. Everybody on the council. My name is Corey Johnson. If you guys know me already, but I'm here speaking as a promoter in the city.
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It's a karaoke night, probably one of the most exciting nights I've probably seen in the city for a while. People really come out there and dreams are made.
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marshal, the citizens, the council. ‸ If I'm going to be doing events in a downtown area because relationships are important and I want to have a relationship with everybody except the medical examiner's office. And other than that, thank you guys for hearing me out and guys have a good meeting.
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We're a 501c3 that's dedicated to bringing awareness and education to the public about fentanyl, illicit fentanyl. Our founder and my best friend, Susie Pereira, lost her son just nine months ago to fentanyl poisoning. And so we're working on a number of different events here in our community to bring awareness. In fact, we have an event and there's some information that I've provided to the council. We're hosting the Central Florida Fentanyl Summit on August 21st at the Cocoa Beach Country Club at 1pm in support of the National Fentanyl Prevention and Awareness Day. Please join us and learn more about poisoning and how to protect our community from this murder drug.
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to promote this event. Some stuff about fentanyl, in case you were not aware. ‸ Last year, over 5,100 people died in the state of Florida. And we are number one
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fentanyl deaths in the state of Florida. And 108,000 Americans died last year of fentanyl. Let's see. I also want to call attention to a note, effort here in the county called FACE. The Fentanyl Awareness Campaign effort's a major initiative under the Brevard Opioid Misuse Task Force. FACE is working to develop print materials and informational posters, which will be available for distribution around the county to educate and warn people about this deadly chemical. They also are having ‸ a recovery fest on September 24th. And there's also information provided about that.
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I thank you for bringing this event forward. The young man that came before you, he works at the Brevard Medical Examiner Office, so he picks up so many bodies that overdose from fentanyl. Our fire department knows all too well about how many Narcans they use on a weekly and monthly basis. So we really, really appreciate you bringing awareness to it.
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Thank you, Mr. Mayor. ‸ I speak quietly because I'm speaking for those who have no voice. I've been walking the Indian River for about 20 years, and the voices of the manatees and the dolphins and the seagrass have grown very indistinct. We all know that, and there's tremendous support for doing whatever we can to support the recovery of this wonderful and precious resource that we all share with these creatures of God.
It's time to do whatever we can do, and to understand that our community is fully supportive of anything that we need to do that can save our lagoon. And so I simply speak on behalf of these creatures and of those who will come expecting to see nature's beauty in the future, walking the river, and be blessed as I have been.
Sounds like a great opportunity that is being presented to you to join other communities and to accept the extra budgetary resources that are available to us. I thank you very much for giving me an opportunity to speak on behalf of the voiceless ones. Thank you, sir.
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personnel services, review criteria and other provisions, providing for the repeal of prior and consistent ordinances and resolutions, incorporation into the code severability and an effective date.
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item. There haven't been any changes since first reading. It's an update to the City's longstanding special events ordinance. I'd be happy to answer any questions. Mayor.
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council and open it to the public. Please come forward and expound. You have 180 seconds on ordinance number 092022, the second and final reading for this particular item.
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It's the first alternate. Administrative Services. Okay, okay. We will proceed in this order after I hear from Administrative Services. ‸ Okay, alright. Let the light shine. Alright. We will proceed in this order after
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Zoning Board at the moment that was vacated by Jerry Blanco. This, we're looking, the vacancy was advertised as we do with all of our board vacancies. We received several applications as this is a popular board. And so we provided you copies of their applications and then the agenda item had a summary of each candidate. So, so we're looking for a motion to, um, to recommend a candidate to fill this vacancy through November.
Okay. Is there a traditional protocol that's been established? And it's not always necessary, but the first alternate is next in line. It's an upward progression of the chain of commands. Is that a, an established precedent that's been?
can't for sure if it's a precedent. The first alternate did express interest in serving as a regular member on the board and, and, um, he's in the audience as well. Okay. So also, um, I saw Wesley Park in the audience.
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Uh, formerly my constituent, but now living in District 2. And also the, uh, chair of the Utilities Advisory Committee, where he, he has been serving for several years. And I would like to nominate him for this position to the Planning and Zoning Board.
Before you nominate, can I ask a particular favor? Uh, ask a favor, please, ma'am. Please, sir. Let me hear from everyone. Then I will open up the floor for nominations. I do like to hear from the public. And I do have cards.
This is something we've already established before we give them the opportunity to come forward and state their cause and their support and their concerns. Okay. Can we fundamentally agree on that?
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The, uh, when I was on the Board of Adjustments a long, long time ago, I started out as first alternate. In the second meeting, I became a full staff. We didn't have the meetings back then. That's what the alternates do, is to pull forward. Uh, Alex Green was the first alternate. And whoever we picked tonight should go ahead and be the alternate. And I think that's the way it should be, because that's how it worked for me. And then the third meeting, Mr. Ford made me chairman of the Board of Adjustments. And
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Also, I'm in favor of Mr. Parks being nominated as an alternate. And I'd just like to say to all the nominees, you guys have some great resumes. ‸ And I hope you continue to show interest in the city.
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anybody. ‸ I believe everyone that's on, that applied are worthy and qualified. But I think we already started this ball rolling. So, I think we need to stay with what we established at the last meeting. So, that's my opinion. Thank you.
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Nick, would you come to the podium? I'll give everyone the opportunity. We'll just keep it simple. Did anyone else come out of the audience and submit a card? Wes, did you submit a card, sir? Not to this item, but I would like to speak. Okay. I'll give you the opportunity to expound. The young man was a fine haircut similar to mine. And that would be, I think that is you, Mr. Barton?
Okay. You will follow Wes. And then after our brother Nate, Wes, Mr. Barton, and Mr. Greenwood. We will proceed in that order. Please come forward, sir. And state your name for us, please.
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two young employees. A bit about my experience, work experience. I've worked in the staffing industry for a number of years in different capacities. Most recently as a director of operations for a local veteran-owned company. I also worked as a launch engineer with SpaceX for eight years on the Dragon 1 vehicle.
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And I feel like I've been blessed. And therefore I saw this position and I felt duty-bound to give some of my time and skills back to the city. I thought this opportunity would enable me to expand my horizons and add an interesting dimension to my life.
And also some personal growth by developing my public speaking skills. So in return I would have promised to relish the task of reviewing various types of development related applications. As required I will provide recommendations to the board including zoning of properties to determine best current and future land
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appreciate your time and thank you for the kind words earlier. I appreciate that, too. My service has been to the country and to this city. It will continue to be so no matter what the decision is. When I'm not here in the council, during the meetings I watch them at home with my children and try to teach them what's going on with our city and to be interested and continue to be active. ‸ My leadership skills have grown over years.
I've always been chosen for that. That's just the way it's turned out for me. I seek leadership since being a sergeant in the Marine Corps. I just navigate towards that.
And as that has taken place, it happens quarterly. So I was looking for a board that maybe has more active involvement with the community and to be able to add my knowledge and my understanding of the community in another place. But I also do understand chain of command with my previous experience. So I respect others who have come before me and put in their time and need to progress in their own skills and life sets. I look forward to the opportunity, either with this position or for another, to become more active with the city and continue to progress with my activities here. So thank you.
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Thank you, Wes. Now, one question. Depending on how this scenario rose, rises rather, excuse me, shall you maintain, if you become an alternate, you can't serve
So I would rather you, if not selected, whatever the case may be, however the chips may fall, I want to say thank you, regardless. Because this speaks volumes about your commitment and dedication, but not only just your country, but the community. And I'm thankful. And I'm glad that your family can see it for themselves, and that
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civil service. I was council member, school board director. And then ‸ I also spent some time when I lived out in Meridian, Idaho for 10 years on city council, zoning board. In Pennsylvania, I've done,
and the states. I've done this, I'm 56 years old. I've done this since I was 16 and been elected, appointed various different times. I'm a ‸ community person ‸ for the people, invited people. And within the city council, planning, zoning, this is where it starts for the residents and the taxpayers. I'd like to ‸ also think too that from my previous knowledge in Pennsylvania and in Idaho, maybe there's some knowledge I have there that could help and benefit the city of Cocoa, Brevard County. Also, just as you ‸ said, Mr. Mayor, a couple of times, knowledge is power.
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I followed down, getting bugged. Retirement is beautiful when you can move and retire, but I'm always a community person, and I want to get very community-oriented and active with my community that I'm in now. Thank you.
Mayor, council, thank you for letting me come up. Real quick background, and I'm going to be covering a lot of years, and I'm going ‸ to let everybody end up realizing how old I am. I moved with my family here in 1970. My family was here earlier than that. We started out in a little boxcar restaurant called the Dixie Diner. From that time, they needed me to help them because they wanted to build the first condo in Coco, and
I got my licensed builder's license for the state of Florida for that purpose. I'm also a licensed real estate ‸ representative. ‸ I'm just interested in continuing the positive avenues that this city is taking, including all the projects that were finally coming to fruition. This is an excellent opportunity to finalize what Coco
I still would like to be contributory to that process, because I feel that a lot of people are going to be surprised in a matter of a short time period, and I really support some of the subjects that were brought up with parking, that the city manager really supports the pocket parking idea instead of spending a lot of money for one big garage, a parking garage. And I'd ‸ like to continue the cause, and now I can show my age. When I was on the city council, I was asked by the council then to go create a downtown CRA board, which was the
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Then I was asked to go back again, and this time I asked for two more, and people were telling me it isn't going to happen. So when I came back to the council and ‸ said, hey, we're the first city that's got three CRA boards. So the Diamond
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The US1 has been finished, but the Diamond Square at the recent meeting, I was pleasantly surprised the income that they're making every year. I'm so happy to see that now it's on a roll that you can really start seeing some changes like it's already done. So I'd like the consideration so I can continue what this board has been so successfully doing to the point that we're at, and I'm proud of how we're growing. Thank you.
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made a statement about serving on two. So being an alternate, is that ‸ still considered as service on two boards? That's my question. It is, correct? So ‸ we can't do this motion.
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Option number one, allow the temporary provision to expire on August ‸ 9th, 2022. Option number two, authorize staff to make the resolution into a sidewalk cafe ordinance to include the use of public parking spaces, sidewalk public spaces, or non-sidewalk public spaces.
Yes. So at the December 14th council meeting council approved extending the expiration date of the expanded outdoor dining options for the local restaurants that are currently improved to tonight August 9th 2022. During the pandemic the city allowed for outdoor dining in support of the local restaurants who were struggling during the pandemic. and several restaurants took advantage of the opportunity.
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public spaces at your discretion. So to ‸ give you a little background, as far as ‸ the original resolution, like I said, would help increase the spacing between tables during COVID. During the pandemic, restaurants were at a capacity. They could not seat ‸ full capacity inside the restaurant, so we were able to provide this option. It was an effort to keep these establishments from closing. Today, August 9th, all the mandates for the COVID have expired, and the need for increased spacing is not as urgent as it was prior to
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Today, two establishments here in the Village are utilizing public parking for this increased services. That is the Village Idiot Pub. They currently utilize three parking spaces, and Pub Americana utilizes three public parking spaces. And we have received numerous emails today and telephone calls, both in favor of letting it expire and in favor of making it a permanent option.
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permanent sidewalk cafe ordinance. We will come back with recommendations on the use of public parking or not, the use of the ‸ sidewalk areas. And we would make the cleaning of that sidewalk cafe. The sidewalks would be much more stringent on the businesses to clean their areas, to take some of that load off of the public works staff who are working to try to maintain some of those areas. ‸ If there's any questions, I'll answer those for you.
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Thank you. I'm here to speak to, hopefully, if we can make this permanent. COVID is still with us, whether we like it or not. I know, according to CDC, I was looking on the website today,
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It's still a threat, even after we've all been vaccinated and boosted. I was vaccinated, boosted, stayed safe for two years. I got it in May. Thank God, you know, everything worked out okay. But it's still a threat out there, as you can see with people wearing masks around. Besides the health benefits, there are also business and financial benefits towards the city.
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supporters and signatures from customers, residents of the community. And almost 99% of them were in favor of making this a permanent thing. Some comments were about ‸ beautification of the city. Some comments were that they were actually coming from outside neighborhoods to our village. Because places like Vieira don't have the same outside seating. And they came here. And ‸ it is good for the restaurants, but it's also good to bring the additional business to the village. They're not just going to be sitting in the restaurants after the restaurants. They've got to go walking through the stores, walk through the other businesses down here, and it helps everybody.
missing these six parking spots. There were also security concerns or about cars possibly hitting and interfering with the seats and the barriers around the outdoor seating. Nothing, thank God, has happened there as well. And everything has been safe. I
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contacted me about cleaning the outside of the area for myself. And we have no problem taking care of that. I think that this would help the city and would help businesses in the city, if we can continue this, because it makes our village special.
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own the Village Idiot Pub. First of all, I want to thank all you guys for the help during COVID. It was awful, and you guys stepped up and answered questions I had and my family had, and we really appreciate that. That's not forgotten. But like Patrick said, it's still not gone. Not only,
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So if they can sit outside, a lot of people still feel good about it. They still feel okay, because now I'm outside. And we didn't, before this, we didn't have really that opportunity. We had very little space. We put in a new space, the garage door,
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that helps a little bit. But they really use that area a lot. And it's really meant a lot to us having that area ‸ there. So the problem we've had, we're going to make it look a lot better if I knew it was permanent. I can put, you know, money into it. A lot more money, make it look nicer. But if I don't know that it might be gone in a month or so, it's very hard for me to take six grand, ten grand, and put it in that, which is what it's going to take to make that what we want it to be and be able to make what we want to be out of it to be, you know, beautiful. And if there is a problem
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changes the game for us. Even, you know, through all this, we learned how important it would be to have an outside area. So if we could have that, it's a really big game changer for us. And I appreciate your time. Thank you.
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I like the outside seating. The one thing is there are six parking spots and I had an idea. The individuals who have those parking spots from the city make this permit,
because we have a new Brazilian hamburger place who's going up and he might want to rent that parking spot in front of his building so he can have some outside dining there too. And there's restaurants later on
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probably going to open different spots. They're going to want to have the same thing. So let's make it fair for all. If you've got a restaurant and you want to have outside parking in the parking spot in front of you, we should let them do that. But they need to rent it so we can go ahead and take that money to find other parking areas to pay for stuff ‸ that needs to be done. I'm like I say,
Been the village idiot since day one. And I think it's a good idea. It's fun to sit out there in a nice cool evening and relax a little bit. The safety issue when people say, well, somebody's going to hit Club Americana. Well, back in the day where Forest Avenue met with the other road right there by the old dial service station, everything called the Triangle Bar.
And they finally got them to shut it down because they had a serious septic system issue. But they never had anybody get hit. I kind of ventured that when I was younger.
Day Parade when I was driving the fire truck around, the response I got from Club Americana. And I think it's a great thing. We need to keep it up because ‸ outside dining is very important to a lot of people, especially if they have pets. I mean, they can bring their pets and sit outside. Now,
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doesn't look out of place to me. We talk about safety. We haven't had any incidents. And I really don't want to discuss incidents that hasn't happened because we can speculate on any of that at any moment. But I agree with Councilman Dial about opening up the opportunity. I think
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We had a period that people can sign up for it. I think we can do that again, open that opportunity up for other businesses in a permit situation where they have to permit those spots. I like the idea that Ms. Neuterman said about doing the pressure washing, things of that nature, to make that a part of that permit. Also, I'm not against the charging for those spots. I think that came up today from one individual called me ‸ and was talking about the amount of money those spots bring. I don't know what that looks like as far as what other cities may have done.
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they may have to pay their fair share on those parking stalls, whatever that is. I'm not sure what that may be, but I think that's what staff could look into if this number two passes the day, and that's what I'm in support of. You know,
I've had two calls that was against it. So I can't naturally go against this. It just really wouldn't make sense for me personally. So I'm for the number two.
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Yeah, someone said earlier, COVID is not gone. It may not be the deadly threat that it was, but for vulnerable populations, it's still quite a threat. And so the desirability of the outdoor dining weighs heavily on this decision.
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that it, sir? Thank you kindly, sir. Four simple things that I would like to talk about, talk about, excuse me. First is safety, quite naturally close to the roads. And I do have concerns about that
Sometimes young drivers that are inebriated and may want to get on their motorcycle or their vehicle and have that roaring acceleration about themselves. So that's first and foremost to me. Safety, safety, safety. I will always opt out to safety. Second thing, parking. And
So are you going to deny them? Because there are a couple of businesses that do not have a parking lot or a parking slot, rather, excuse me, in front of their business.
And the other concern that I do have is, yes, it's great to have the foot patrol ‸ there. You know, what would be the process of selecting if you make it a permanent mandate in reference of the sidewalk cafe ordinance? How do you select one
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But you get the picture. So to me, I personally support option number one. So that being said, I'm not going to prolong this issue. What are the wishes of council? Mr. Golds?
Oh, put that pressure on me, huh? I'll make the motion for ‸ number two with the stipulation of staff bringing back ideas or costs or evaluate other cities that have had
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same issue in their downtown areas. And also to the mayor's point, you know, bring back also to us, you know, how do we do the selection, right? Is it only for like you have a tutoring company that's upstairs that doesn't have parking in the front? So we have to make a stipulation on what businesses are allowed to do it. And it looks like to me it's only going to be a select few anyway. We had it open before for I think two or three months. Am I wrong about that, Charlene?
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All in favor. Say aye. Aye. Aye. Nay. Nay. Has the record reflect? 4-1. Great job. Move forward. On to the next item. Item number three. Thank you very much. Good luck. Provide direction to staff for funding and new policies if necessary for the
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‸ We have several cards. I received several phone calls and we have a PowerPoint presentation. Can we do the audience first? Because this is our third or fourth time with this. And there's a PowerPoint presentation. So I'm asking Council, let's do the public first. So once we hear from them, then we can make a decision. Are we in
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[01:10:18]▶ PlaySpeaker 4 (introduced as “Linda Dolphin” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
live at [address] and I prepared three slides today that will hopefully get you to vote yes on this project. The first one shows the low estimate funding needs that Jack came up with. It shows a 2.8 for the individual homeowner hookup and a 6.8 for the main line for a total of 9.6. We currently know we have about 10.2 if we had 100% participation. That is 5.1 of sorrel money with which we really assume we can get the 5.1 in grant money. So in this particular case, if we get a lot of participation, we're totally covered if we're at the low estimate. In
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[01:11:04]▶ PlaySpeaker 4 (introduced as “Linda Dolphin” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
‸ we could lose 10 homeowners not hooking up here and still be 100% funded for this project.
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Oh, thank you. High estimate funding. I'm going really fast because there's a lot of information here. On this particular one, now we're up to 11.2 in high estimate funding. We know for a fact that, you know, we have 10.2, so we're a million dollars short. How do we get that other 500,000? We could apply for a state revolving fund loan with the lowest interest rates available for wastewater grants for particularly for the city of Cocoa
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[01:11:46]▶ PlaySpeaker 4 (introduced as “Linda Dolphin” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
So basically we can secure up to $10.7 million of grant money for a loan of 500,000, which would cost Cocoa taxpayers $13,000 a year for 20 years at the 0.2%, you know, $26,000, $30,000 a year for 20 years at a higher interest rate. But these loans are available. The state is pushing them because they want to protect the river. Next slide. So then what I'm asking you guys to consider is not any of these four options that you've been presented with or will be presented with tonight because I think they all have problems. Option one is, you know, kind of like a panacea. Oh, you guys can just do nothing and then, hallelujah, the lagoon will be protected because everybody's going to apply for advanced septic. I believe that is not the case.
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[01:12:34]▶ PlaySpeaker 4 (introduced as “Linda Dolphin” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice
That would mean you would have, you
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know,
[01:12:37]▶ PlaySpeaker 4 (introduced as “Linda Dolphin” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
eight homeowners applying for, ‸ or four homeowners applying for septic on the river. Option two, mandate hookups that include Indian River Circle people, which I don't understand that one.
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[01:12:53]▶ PlaySpeaker 4 (introduced as “Linda Dolphin” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
amounts from $12,25 to $12,000. Option three, move forward with a project without a mandate. That's a no-brainer. Won't happen. We'll get no funding. Option four, delay decisions and move forward. We've been doing that for years. Option five, what I'm suggesting you do is go out for a bid today for this project. There's nothing stopping you. Go out for a bid and also apply for funding at the same time so you know what your resources are going to be.
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[01:13:58]▶ PlaySpeaker 27 (introduced as “Tammy Carter” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
Hello. I'm Tammy Carter. I'm getting pretty used to being up here now. Seems like anyway, 1809 Indian River Drive, Cocoa, Florida. As I was continuing to dig, like I said, I'm digging a lot on this one. I found the sustainability plan today and was looking at it.
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[01:14:21]▶ PlaySpeaker 27 (introduced as “Tammy Carter” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
lush nature with tree canopies and intact wetlands. Our understanding of the beauty and the value has increased as we have learned their central role in clean water and air preserving our climate. ‸ So she had a, she talked about all the money, but remember, those are only estimates.
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[01:14:44]▶ PlaySpeaker 27 (introduced as “Tammy Carter” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
but there's a lot of, you know, questions and things that, you know, might not be in. And, you know, the labor. And I tell you, after seeing the cost of manholes, these guys have got nothing on the Navy and the Army with their hammers. That, you know,
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[01:15:00]▶ PlaySpeaker 27 (introduced as “Tammy Carter” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
know, but the bottom line is that even if we go forward, you know, then one of my questions, you know, you're bringing up the stormwater tonight further down the river. And we all know stormwater is the number one. If we are serious about this, why aren't we combining the stormwater? Because between my house and there's like five drains there, all open to US 1. Why isn't it included in this? You know, if we're going to dig up the road,
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[01:15:30]▶ PlaySpeaker 27 (introduced as “Tammy Carter” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
you put
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[01:15:30]▶ PlaySpeaker 27 (introduced as “Tammy Carter” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
or something down? So it's one of these things. It's just, it's still for the
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bank for the bug
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[01:15:35]▶ PlaySpeaker 27 (introduced as “Tammy Carter” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
doesn't seem to be there. Because basically at the best case estimate, which is 36 pounds per house for 92 houses, that means
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[01:15:43]▶ PlaySpeaker 27 (introduced as “Tammy Carter” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
3,000 pounds, like 3,300 pounds a year for this.
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[01:15:49]▶ PlaySpeaker 27 (introduced as “Tammy Carter” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
And I could still contend, and I'm going to work with the soil, I believe that is incorrect. ‸ I really believe the truer estimate is closer to 1,300 pounds for that amount of money. So I still think the science is out, and I think we need to consider rounding some more options into this before we do it. Thank you very much.
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I live at [address]. I've been spending a lot of time trying to figure out what I was going to say to you, if I was going to talk about the money, but that's not my area. That's the city's area to decide whether they want to spend the money.
that citizens brought up at the last meeting. So inconvenience to the residents of Indian River Drive. When you choose to live on Indian River Drive, every day proves to be an inconvenience, whether it be moving trucks, delivery trucks, landscape trucks, marathons, weekends, cyclists, tourists driving 10 miles an hour down the road, and there's someone coming the other way, so you've got to drive 10 miles behind them. If residents think that the installation of a sewer system is an inconvenience, then they have never had a septic system fail at the most inopportune time. The other item that was brought up was the oak trees. I love trees. I would do anything to save them. How do we know that this is going to damage the trees? Is anyone an arborist? Well, I hired an arborist, a certified arborist, to come out and look at the 200-year-old live oak that sits in
He told me it was healthy, that boring or drilling or cutting the road to put a sewer in will not have an ill effect on the tree. The power on the docks on the east side of the road. ‸ I'm assuming that the city uses utility service location services.
Of course. Stuff like that happens all the time. And lastly, I would like to ask if there's any nay votes tonight on this project going forward that you expand on why you would want a nay vote.
Mr. Mayor, Council, thank you for listening to us. You know, this isn't the first time we've been up here, but I wish I'd have called you all about 10 days ago. You could have come up in front of my yard and smelled what a 300-pound dead manatee smells like on the shore. And then you could have seen about 50, 75 buzzards cleaning it up. ‸ Took them about three days, but they did get rid of it. But it's an indication of what's wrong with the river. And the gentleman who came up here before passionately speaking about the lagoon, I can just say conduce to him, because we all remember that, that had been here for a while and would like to go back to it. I want to thank
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the five bullet points, how you were going to address ‸ this project. I would just say that it seems more practical to take number two, which is grants, and switch with number three, which is bids.
much money you're going to need. And there does seem to be, there's lots of people that have come up with good indications of money out there to be ‸ asked for. We've all paid into it. We need to collect it back. So
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much concrete where they came up through with the power. Technology's out there. We need to tap into it. So I certainly hope for your consideration in this. ‸ We need to get something done to it. I think it'd be an embarrassment for the city of Cocoa ‸ with the shoreline that you have in the city limits to not do every effort you could to try to help in what you could do to restore the river.
If you knew what your costs were, then you could apply for your funding. And it doesn't mean you have to take the bids at whatever you get to indicate what it's going to cost. But just go after it and try and then go after the funding. Because if you go after the funding first, you don't know how much you need. That would be my recommendation.
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Norris Park, [address] I've spoke to you before about this. And so I'm going to change the topic a little bit. ‸ I think it's important what Mr. Sullivan has said and what it was brought to you before with the five options that you had there. Let's get forward and get the grants approved and worry about the financing afterwards. Because I can tell you that all this money that everybody's speaking about is either going to be covered 100%, 70%, or 80%. But you can't answer that right now because you haven't applied for the grants. The grants need to be applied for.
forward and approve the motion to get a grant, all the grants that are out there available. That money's not always going to be there. We have an opportunity now to get those grants. When that goes away, it goes away, and then it
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anybody else. I understand your position. It's a tough position. But we need to get this going with the grant money because it'll soon go away. And if we don't get it, we won't have the opportunity to do what we need to do for the environment as well as the
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I haven't spoken before. I've been mostly just I'm a good listener. And so as I hear these things, I know that you all ‸ made tough decisions in the past, decisions that others didn't agree with. I sure was not happy on my side of the screen when I saw ‸ the increase in taxes last year, but you all had the foresight to know that that was going to help our community. So I think that's what we're asking for tonight, is the foresight. Tomorrow's school starts, later our leagues and our sports start. ‸ I believe that everyone up here is some form of a leader outside of this council. And you have to tell those kids, those people in your charge, to do the tough things, make tough choices. I think it's exactly what you're being asked to ‸ this evening.
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‸ it's tough to say that it would not improve the river in some form beyond doing nothing. So I hope you all gentlemen make the tough choice again, as you did. And again, not appease everyone, but do the right thing.
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[01:25:57]▶ PlaySpeaker 30 (introduced as “Alan Blood” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
Good evening. My name is Alan Blood, [address], Cocoa, Florida. I requested to receive from Mr. Walsh his worksheets on how he came up with the costs to the citizens for them to hook up. He had five scenarios. One of them was for septic tanks that were
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[01:26:19]▶ PlaySpeaker 30 (introduced as “Alan Blood” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
The other four scenarios were two in the backyards, then one best case condition, and one worst case condition. From the grant money,
[01:26:32]▶ PlaySpeaker 30 (introduced as “Alan Blood” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
understand, and analysis was done on that, it was, ‸ you're going to get so many pounds of nutrients, nitrogen, whatever, removed ‸ if you're within 55 yards of the shoreline. My house, the front
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[01:26:58]▶ PlaySpeaker 30 (introduced as “Alan Blood” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
And we were told that the houses behind us wouldn't qualify for grant money because they're too far away. They're subject to consider too far away for ‸ they don't contribute
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‸ Is that true? So there won't be any grant money for them. So those people are going to be as much or more out of pocket than we are. And because they don't qualify, it's not going to be as much reduction. You know, there's a normal obstacles, FPL
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[01:27:58]▶ PlaySpeaker 30 (introduced as “Alan Blood” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice
there's buried power to the dock, there's water going to the dock, and if you can find somebody who can sell where a PVC pipe is buried five or six feet below the ground,
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[01:28:21]▶ PlaySpeaker 30 (introduced as “Alan Blood” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice
Now, it doesn't exist even yet, and I've been out of it for 10 years. So everything else there. But, like I said, thank Mr. Walsh for the analysis, but as a retired electrical engineer, I'm used to looking at numbers and writing specifications and contracts for the government.
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[01:28:41]▶ PlaySpeaker 30 (introduced as “Alan Blood” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice
has road fill, road base slash fill, and I assume that is for filling in the hole in the road for connection to the sewer pipe, or is that just fill dirt for...
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[01:29:04]▶ PlaySpeaker 30 (introduced as “Alan Blood” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
it's 350 a yard. Secondly, I know I'm going to go over here a little bit, but out of your analysis, you took the impact fees out and put them all at the bottom so it doesn't show what the homeowner is going to end up paying.
[01:29:21]▶ PlaySpeaker 30 (introduced as “Alan Blood” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice
for a $1,750 impact fee plus any boring fees that might come up, and you only have boring fees on one of the scenarios, the worst-case one, but in the worst-case one, you reduce the amount of... What was it?
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[01:30:02]▶ PlaySpeaker 30 (introduced as “Alan Blood” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
during construction.
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[01:30:16]▶ PlaySpeaker 30 (introduced as “Alan Blood” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
number one polluter, and that's not being addressed. If you're going to dig a hole because you're probably going to have to dig through so much coquina, why not put in the second pipe? And why you got the hole there? Why not run natural gas too all out to us so we
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[01:30:27]▶ PlaySpeaker 30 (introduced as “Alan Blood” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
get off lower our load on the grid,
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We don't waive our fees for ourselves or for anybody else. ‸ So those fees, especially if you want to keep qualifying for bonding, which we do, we don't do that. So that's not possible. One person, the first person who got up who had the presentation suggested using an SRF loan to pay for the difference on one of the analysis that they did. I wouldn't recommend that we do that. That is burdening the utility for this particular project. And I know that the goal is to try to get this so that it doesn't cost the utilities or the citizens any money.
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had some of the numbers correct, but there was a lot of stuff missing. In the original slides over the last two council meetings that I had showed you all, I also included the cost of engineering for the design as well as the cost of construction engineering inspection that's required during the construction. That was not included in what was presented.
‸ where I show you how I kind of put all the numbers together. Very similar to what that person had ‸ done and then tried to break it out as to where the funding would come from. So ‸ in respect to, I think, Mr. Frank Sullivan asked about or was hoping that we could do the bidding first. I'm sorry, ‸ that's just not possible. We can't go out to bid for a project unless we have funding for it. And quite honestly, if any contractor, anybody thought that we were trying to bid something without the money to actually do it, they wouldn't bother bidding it.
get a bid and you're lucky to hold that quantity or that cost for a week or two before they have to come back and give you another change. I think that's starting to slow down a little bit, but certainly the pricing ‸ on some of the construction materials is not slowing down. I'm still seeing things going crazy right now. Mr. Blood was talking about the distance related to the Indian River Drive. I believe it's the distance to the lot, not necessarily to the location of the septic system.
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removal is less. And therefore, because they have to come up with a metric on how to distribute money fairly, you know, as a committee across the county, they're using that nitrogen ‸ removal as a basis for reimbursement. So just a little clear on that. I've shown this presentation. This will be the third time. I'm not going to linger too much. I think I'm just going to kind of skip to the end because I think that's where all the, that's where the money stuff is at the very end. ‸ If you want to go back and look at the advantage, disadvantages stuff, we can do that later. So I'm just going to kind of go very quickly through here. So these are just the summaries of what each of those three options that we're now considering really contained. And then the advantages and disadvantages. So again, we can come back to these later. I think we've, we've talked about them. If you've been, been here at the previous meetings.
We'd like to get reimbursed for that. It qualifies. We also have an estimated cost, and I'm just using a percentage, of about $200,000 for that 18 plus months of construction, engineering inspection. That's required to clear DEP and to do the normal things that we normally do.
because of the importance of this project. So these numbers here on the right that are in bold, that was, if you look at the top, it's net cost to be funded. It's net of putting the design and the cost estimate of engineering in the future on top of the 6.7 and the 8.3. Okay.
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Jack, could you repeat that? How much extra money are you looking to fund these
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[01:36:15]▶ PlaySpeaker 4 (introduced as “Linda Dolphin” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
of, you know, three or four things? I'll show you.
last slide. I was trying to keep the integrity of this slide and just update the new numbers for the cost estimate. But the purpose of that was kind of to show, you know, what was remaining in terms of funding.
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of construction, we need 1.7 and 3.3 to cover those initial costs, you know what I mean, from the range. But I'll explain it a little bit further. So ‸ this is the summary of what Mr. Blood was talking about.
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I was on there. So that is a bit of a traffic problem. But what I ‸ really noticed, I did it kind of a desktop. I looked ‸ at predominantly the depth and width of all the lots along the 92 that were there. They
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I really just didn't have the time to do 92 cost estimates. I'm sorry, that's just not possible. ‸ But I saw at least four houses where we had some significant costs at the ‸ extreme end of,
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system and everything else. So I saw that there was ‸ like the 50 and the 20 were kind of, they were kind of what I would call middling, meaning they're not easy, but they were a lot less harder than some of the more extreme ones. ‸ They're deep and they're long, but they're generally wide open, grass in the front, some big trees. You know, we could probably selectively create a path where we could get the service line maybe to go in those areas. And then the 18 that are actually at the ‸ least cost were actually representative generally of the lots that were at the very north end because they were so ‸ short in distance.
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but I would imagine the drain field is up there. And so it might be just connecting that drain field directly to the service. But again, all unknowns, I don't know at this point. So I'm doing the best I could with
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So here's some typical houses. You can see how far back some of these houses are, but fairly wide open. ‸ So those are more simpler, but still ‸ some dollars to be able to put a service line in on grade by a plumber has to go all the way back that far and ‸ drain all the way back to the street. Some of them had smaller obstacles like walls and ‸ pools and things of that nature. This particular house that I visited had ‸ a very, had a lot of old growth trees running up along the side of the driveway. Then you pinch in against the house on the opposite ‸ side. The pool essentially had about a two foot setback on that side from what I could tell. And it was one of those really old school pools that was like 10 feet deep. So if we would have to try to sneak a service line four or five feet deep to go by on that side, very difficult to ‸ accomplish.
was so huge. So real challenges there. These are the houses that are up on the north end of Indian River Drive with the houses below the level of the street. So create different challenges, although they're a little shallower.
So this is my attempt to try to quantify kind of where we are with funding. And this was assuming a 50-50 funding, which we kind of talked about maybe petitioning
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$605,000 that I'm adding to that number that I pointed out in that previous slide that you had seen. So $405,000 of that has already been spent on design. The other $200,000 is for what I would call engineering inspection services for the construction of that project.
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So, again, just trying to use some round numbers. I added engineering bidding and inspection because the biggest challenge with adding, because this is something that we didn't consider ‸ really up until just the last few weeks, which was getting involved with the citizens' actual service line on private property. So if we're going to be doing that, that means that in order to be good stewards and to do the job that the city and the citizens would expect, that that engineering, construction, and inspection needs oversight ‸ on their property all the way. And, in fact, more so probably than we do on our normal projects.
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So it just depends on the complexity of the project. ‸ But ‸ I kind of threw some hours at it in the back of my head, did it back a napkin. I thought that that would cover maybe what we were doing. And, again, that's just an estimate. If
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time we met. That doesn't change. And then our costs, or at least our maximum costs, could be as much as $12 million. That number keeps going up because ‸ my original number for homeowners was about 2.4. And I think I was using an average of 27,000 times 92 lots.
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I thought applied roughly in those areas. And then I added 92 times, $1,750 at the end to make sure I included that. And that got me to the $2.95 million for potential
for homeowners. So anyway, so ‸ that's kind of the ‸ financial summary. But ‸ as I sit here today, you still have the same challenges that were voiced in the last meeting and the previous meeting. So if council wishes to pursue this ‸ type of initiative, I still think to be prudent, even if we can get grant money to cover it.
Great. But you still need to decide, if you don't, who's going to pay for the overages? Does the utility pay for it? Okay. That's fine. That's what you all need to decide.
describe or at least ask staff to come up with the enforcement policy as to how we're going to enforce it and under what conditions. Are we going to just write them letters? Are we going to lean their property? Or are we actually going to try to seek any reimbursements that we are then held responsible to give back to the county, which essentially, as I had previously told you,
I can also tell you just professionally, just walking up and down and driving up and down Indian River Drive for a couple of days and really trying to pay attention to what's going on, every single house has challenges. I mean, they look simple from the street. And maybe there's a ‸ bunch in there
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There's going to be all kinds of things that are going on that are going to make that challenging. And it's going to make it very challenging to bid that properly so that we can control costs. So I can't just, I couldn't just give a contractor a card
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I mean, I guess we would just have to go through and do some kind of a 92 cost estimates and try to locate the septic system. So at least we know whether they're in the front and the back and get some rough distances and ‸ some ideas on landscaping. ‸ But even that would need additional oversight if you're going to run into more of a time and material type execution as opposed to a lump sum bid. All those things have to be taken into account when I get involved with dealing with homeowners and their private costs.
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is an extreme important issue, but it's very frustrating. Very frustrating. I'm confused as to why did we submit this project in the first place if we didn't think it was feasible.
That was automatic. We didn't have any choice in that. ‸ The county approached us when they were doing the Indian River Lagoon study. They asked us to give us all their GIS and
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and down Indian River Drive for areas where they thought septic could be converted to sewer and that they would provide funding to try to ‸ achieve that water quality change.
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those. So, ‸ you know, again, you know, ‸ the city didn't say we want to do septic to sewer. The septic to sewer projects for all of the cities and the unincorporated areas were identified in the Tetra Tech study.
It just seemed, I think we would have saved a lot of headache if there was collaboration during this time with Tetra Tech. It's frustrating. Like I said, this project is of great importance and, ‸ you know, personally, I believe we need to get it done. It's the how. And that's where we're at. So, I'll end my comment there.
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Throughout this process, everybody talked about cost of materials ‸ going up and all that. One thing that has not been brought up, and from my background, I have a good question to ask. There's going to be some homeowners that are totally against us. And those homeowners, where they live at, probably have a financial means to get a lawyer and sue to stop it. So, that could be tied up in court for a year, two years, because some of the stuff we know going on right now takes time in the court systems. So,
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But this project has way too many unknowns. And when there's going to be homeowners that are going to sue to stop it, that are going to be forced to go on this, and
courts. So, you're looking two or three years, and the cost goes up. So, my estimate of $18 million, I think, is still there. I really do. Because I was taught how to
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front. What I couldn't see, you know, because I couldn't go on everybody's property, but I tried to observe was what was going on in the back. A lot of people have pools. Actually, the one house that I showed you with that really large, had two septic systems because they had a guest house, a big one in the back. So, now you've got two septic tanks to remove, two septic tanks to fill up, two service lines to join, and then bring in a common service line and off the property. So, I think there's more than one, certainly, that are like that because as I drove, you know, again, a couple of times I went up and down, I saw several that had properties in other buildings in the back that looked like it was certainly on that same lot. So, I think some of them can be bored, yeah, but ‸ boring is, expensive.
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distance, exactly where everything is going and what's in your way. But I ‸ don't know that a bore, I mean, it's going to punch a hole through the root system
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other concern that I did have on one of the properties was the ‸ house in the back was lower than the house on top of the property, which is, you know, when you start looking at the grade in the street and carrying a constant grade back, well, you're going uphill, so it's making the dig deep or the
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I've been bugging Courtney Barker all day today with financial questions dealing with the contingency funds. From my understanding, as of today, they have over $20 million inside their contingency. Just set up for the overages or possible overages that some of the projects may possibly have. And she definitely didn't want to assure me of any guarantees, but there has been zero projects that was turned away for septic to sewer. So, I couldn't imagine for a project that Brevard County has said that this is the number one priority for our county to turn down any household that may have overages of whatever the amount is.
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they knew that inflation and all these other things would more than likely come into fruition. So, I know ‸ there's a lot of speculation. We don't know.
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City. So, even though we can pass an ordinance, we know there could be people who will sue and tie us up in court and then county will come knocking 12 months later after the project's complete and says, you got 10 lots or 5 lots or 2 lots and, you know, here's your invoice and please permit a check.
Yeah, I think we kind of tiptoe the line there a little bit. I mean, our current ordinance, the way it states, is that the kind of the little caveat that we have in the city talks about a functioning septic. Meaning, if people
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septic fails. They go to the Department of Health and say, I need a new septic system. They generally will call us and say, do you have sewer at this location? If we say, absolutely. No, we don't have anything there. They'll go ahead and grant the new, the new permit and they can go ahead and get a contractor to do the work.
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based on the, again, it's based on the map and the distance to the Indian River Lagoon, but the folks along Indian River Drive, certainly the 92 lots plus, there's like, I think there's nine or seven or eight or nine lots at the very north end just before we get to the county enclave there on Indian River Drive that are not being served by this project because I couldn't get the gravity to go that far.
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be straightforward with you. I'm not going to gamble over $1.8 million on the system. And to legally know that I'm going to be tied up. To me, I think it's great. I wish I could do it. But the reality of it
being caught up in the system. Legal system, but also charging people who do not benefit from this and they're away from the system. So they're going to tell me at the early stage, Michael, I'll go after the city because I'm paying for someone's enhancements and I don't benefit from it. And that's the bottom line. And the city's head of the county. So what are the wishes of council?
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Thank you, ‸ Mr. Mayor. This is also a routine process that we go through. We, again, contract with a consultant to review the needs of the stormwater system. The consultants have determined and verified that there's a 4.5% increase required for fiscal year 23. Again, we'll be having a second hearing on this at the next council meeting, and I can answer any questions if you have any questions.
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All in favor say aye. Aye. Any nays? Ayes have it unanimously. Proceeding on to advisory boards and committee. Mr. Park, Mr. Norris Park, please come forward. ‸ Good evening.
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us financial questions, which is great. I would like to say at the end of March 2022, we had $27 million in our fund. At the end of June, we had $23.3 million. We lost $3.3 million.
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Everything's going well with the plan. I just want to let you know that ‸ we appreciate the support that we get from staff as well as the council. We do have a good fund. Ten years ago, that fund was $11 million, and now we're sitting at $25.3 million today. So we are sustaining what we said we do, and we are providing a retirement for those that have served this city. ‸ I'm very proud to say that we're able to do that.
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to step up and help him and his family for the future because the city of Cocoa backed him all the way until he could no longer be employed, and then he came to us, and
obligations by the state law that said he was permanently disabled. So those are the tough ones. We hate to see that happen, but we're glad that we're there as a fund to be able to do so, and those firefighters that are injured, we know that they're going to be there for them, and we had a few deaths, and we certainly have
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Florida Public Pension Trustees Association, FPPTA. I want to let you know that in June ‸ this past couple of months ago, we had our annual meeting, and I was nominated and elected to the Board of Directors for the State of Florida Public Pension, and so thank you. It's a new challenge. I thank you for that. It's a new challenge. I look forward to representing the city of Cocoa when I go to Tallahassee in December.
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I'm getting up in age. I've been on this Board for about 27 years. That might be my last term, but I certainly appreciate the opportunity, and I certainly will take any questions that anyone has of us.
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quick, Mr. Walsh, let me digress a little bit. If the homeowners on septic system, can they petition individually or privately as a homeowner to apply for the advanced septic system enhancement?
it also talks about withdrawing. It's just I've talked to them how to do it. It's a simple letter. Once they receive it and process it, they would release them.
remember, ‸ they also talked about, Anthony talked about ‸ septic dollars are different than ‸ the advanced septic is different funding than the septic to sewer.
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You notice that Mr. Smith is out. Abby is sitting in for him. Mitch is sitting in for Mr. Beach. Mrs. Singer is out. She's away at a conference. And Mrs. Essing is away at a conference also. So
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Mr. Mayor and counsel. So I just want to just kind of give like a status report where we are mid-year as it relates to crime and our community engagement activities. I just want to kind of talk a little bit briefly about ‸ my chief's walks.
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But, but anyway, so, so with the walks, so when I brought the walks here, so basically the walks are designed for the police department to where we can bridge the gap with the community. So it's solely the police and the community figuring out what their issues are. We make sure we address that because it just, it just makes for a better relationship. And so I just kind of want to just kind of remind the public about that and the fact that anybody, they're welcome to come to our walks at any time is for everybody in the public. So that's why we kind of put it in these forms so that they are aware of our walks. ‸ We like doing the walks. We like when the different community members come and walk with us because it just helps continue to bridge that gap between us and the police department.
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We will be standing at the Diplomat Beach Resort in Hollywood, Florida. And ‸ the estimated cost of all three of us, including registration, hotel reservations, mileage, parking per diem, will be around $5,085. This is budgeted under council's travel per diem account. So I want to read that officially into the records. Thank you very much. At the Space Coast League of Cities, real quick. As it was stated, school starts tomorrow, so please. And I'm doing it, James Brown. Please, please, please, please, please. Take your time going to and from your destination. Leave home early because the kids will be on the streets. It is day one.
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right. Yes, big thank you to Space Coast League of Cities for selecting me for a scholarship. While I am the recipient, I think this is a great win for the City of Cocoa as I will in return the knowledge that I'm gaining from my education I will utilize in the City of Cocoa. So a big thank you to Space Coast League of Cities Scholarship Committee.
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to give a big thanks to the Fire Department as well as the Police Department. ‸ They've been great partners in all the community events that's been going on and I just want to keep shedding light on the efforts of your walks. They are working.
It's positive. We're seeing where people at one point in time, they shied away from law enforcement and now they're happy to see law enforcement around. They know it's positive for the most part when they're in the area and that's a good thing and that's all I have. Kids go back to school so be careful driving to work in the morning.
Last thing, we know school is starting back. In my district, we have the school Endeavor. There's a lot of kids that walk and you know it may not be deliberate deliberate, deliberate, but we know that trash finds its way and litter finds its way on the ground so I will be starting up another community trash pickup.
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and we are, the ‸ commission itself ‸ is really moving forward trying to attract businesses to the Space Coast area And a part of that is recently introduced, and you'll be hearing much more about this, branding exercise. to be mission Space Coast because as we know businesses are not attracted just by writing them checks. It's not just one thing, it's a number of things. So we've been working on the certified production technicians making ourselves manufacturing ready, but also where the branding comes in and where it's important is that it's more than just a logo. It's not like a corporate branding. It's really more of an emotional awareness or recognition that ‸ resonates with outside audiences and stakeholders to see why we are different and why people should live, work and invest here. And so I'm excited about this and I think we're going to be involved in that.
and decide your brand. It's the type of thing where you need to and permeate this throughout the ecosystem so that everyone starts to think and feel those same, that same emotional connection to that brand and then it can spread, it can go viral. So they're going to be conducting a number of just groups, focus groups, developing that more and ‸ then getting it out there in a big way.
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which is big and hard to reverse. So I don't know what several of my neighbors are going to do. I hear threats they're just going to walk away but anyway, I understand, I appreciate how difficult this has been and it's important to stand up for the right thing especially when that right thing is so darn inconvenient because it really is. It's inconvenient for me, it'd be horrible but there's just no way around it. So anyway, I appreciate all the efforts you put into it tonight and I know what to say.
The Powell's had their commitments of graduations for their students and Chief Collier was there giving all the certificates out and all the kids were smiling bigger than he was. It was, yeah, they were, they were smiling.
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I'd ‸ gone for it. I think there's too many, way too many gray areas. Somebody wanted it, why I explained it. I just, there's too many factors to get the actual bid, to get the actual stuff. And it's just, it's a government complicated system. But we don't have all the numbers and that's why I was fearing about it's going to come back to the taxpayers or out to the dial plan or to the water system. And I did vote to clean up that lagoon. And it's going to take years to get it cleaned up. We had a hurricane go through a few years back that busted one of our pipes.
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we need to open that inlet back up and see what it does. That'd be the best experiment. That'd be the less intrusive way of hurting anybody. But he just had to build a bridge over the inlet for the Space Center.
that side of the beach. And see what happens. That'd be the cheapest thing that could be done. To watch. There's your experiment. Because the water coming from the old Dutch Inlet would go down the
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certain species will die. They won't. They're there. They got the salt gene in them. They'll be fine. I had a friend of mine that was taking blue crab, small bells. He's a crabber. Put
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And in the winter months, when the price was so big, he was selling six pound blue crabs. So I've seen, I've witnessed it personally. And I've been in that river all my life. I've caught every species of fish in that river many, many times.
I understand we've got to fix the problem. And there's a lot of problems that have to be fixed. But we've got to go ahead and, like I said, do it right. So we don't waste any money.
I have two questions. The first question, this is for the mayor on this one. As far as reports, when we have a big crowd, I think that the citizens deserve to hear a lot of the good things that we have going on in the city.
having the percentage of crime being down, having some reports being given at the beginning. Just to, because right now, like when the issue that they came for is done, they're gone. And a lot of people are not watching right now either. Would you consider that being an option that we can either request that during our, you
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There was no issues Friday or Sunday. And it was all positive. So, so that's my concern sometimes because of the sensitivity of certain items here. And if they watch it on television or they look at it on Granicus, are we still on Granicus? ‸ Or even on YouTube?
Most of us do. If not, they know how to obtain Wi-Fi. You know, the kids are more savvy than what we feel. But I'll keep that open. I'm not going to close my mind to it.
Okay. Okay. All right. And the only reason I brought it up, because like I said, people, they come for item three. And when item three is done, 60 people leave. And sometimes they don't, ‸ I'm pretty sure when they go home, they go get something to eat. They're not watching this again.
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So the second thing is I want to get a consensus from council. We just had this J&K conversation. We didn't get anything accomplished today. But would y'all consider directing the city manager and staff to
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I agree. I'm not saying you disagree with that at all. I just don't want my question to get left behind based on that confusion. ‸ I'm asking for consensus from the four members that are allowed to vote on this for directing city manager and staff to request additional funding for the J&K project. That's my question.
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And so we've not asked that. I'm not sure that many cities have asked that. ‸ But we're just simply saying whatever we have projected the deficit to be at this current moment, go ask for that amount of the county from their contingency
funds. Right. Because ‸ she said this to me multiple times today, over and over again, people have not asked the question. ‸ It's pretty much everyone is accepting
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we receive 10.2 for the additional funding? No one has asked that. So that's why I'm just, I want to give starting a city manager an opportunity and staff to go ask the question. If they deny, ‸ they deny it. But from what she was saying over and over again, the money is there for ‸ septic to sewer.
invested, I just enhanced my system. Why should I continue, you know, I just enhanced my system. I just paid several thousands of dollars. Because why should, if it's working perfectly, if it's not broke, why should I continue to move forward?
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Yes, sir. The first thing is really something that happened a few weeks ago dealing with Cocoa High School. Mr. Beach was not here today. I sent him some photos, but
But between Jennifer Jenkins, James Folston, ESPN, and Academy Sports, something great happened as far as giving the Cocoa High School $75,000 brand new weight room. That was a huge impact for a lot of the students, for sure, because the weight room hasn't been touched in, man, some 30, 40 years from what Mr. Folston has told ‸ me. So give kudos to Jennifer Jenkins on the school board for working very hard for our students. And also just for relationships, you know, because it wouldn't have gotten done if Mr. Folston wouldn't have made that phone call to me. So I appreciate him for that. The second thing, back to school for the city of Cocoa, we appreciate all the police department, Brevard Federation of Teachers, and all the staff that was working ‸ the event. We had several events that happened the last week or so to help back to school. A lot of people are hurting in the city and surrounding cities.
You know, these kids want drawers. They cost $400. So it was very important for all the events to take place. It wasn't a competition ‸ of who's getting supplies and who not get.
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It was just a, it was a beautiful thing. And it just shows how when the community come together and stop backbiting each other and going through all the different foolishness that happens in our community. When we all come together, I know we can do some powerful things together. So I just, so that's, that's, that's one of the things I really, really felt this weekend with just a lot of love. And not a lot of the other stuff that sometimes happens. Oh yeah.
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it's just, you know, PD and everybody just stepped up. And again, that's just, that's just what we do in Coco. And I just, that's why I made the statement earlier about sometimes bringing the reports early. Because again, when, when you say Coco, sometimes people have this negative connotation. But we're doing some good things in the city. ‸ Tomorrow morning at 7 55,
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A lot of men are not in households. So, so Thomas Cole wants to invite all the men, whoever is available, 7 55 in the morning to greet the students as they come in. And we did a few years ago before COVID. And it was a beautiful sight. And the kids' eyes just light up
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so speaking, speaking, speaking of NAACP, you group, they threw it out there on social media for people to bring deodorant, hygiene products. Everybody took advantage of it. And sometimes people don't want to, you know, say that they need help. But everyone, all the bags were gone. So that
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The senior citizens came out. Oh yeah. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. And young and old. That was the beautiful thing about it. It was love in the air all the way.
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