Monday.
Okay.
And also, he
was an explorer. Even though he did not touch what we call physical USA, ‸ United States, but he did travel in the Western Hemisphere in the Caribbean, Central America and South America. So, I'd
like
to call this regular order meeting held today, October the 10th, 6 p.m. Location, beautiful downtown
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Got a little reverb here. Yeah, I hear you. Stone Street,
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We'd like to have invocation by the Honorable Randy Alonzo. I'm asking him to give us two prayers tonight.
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And then he will do our traditional invocation. And then the
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play soccer.
Okay. So, without further ado, Pastor, would you
lead
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us, sir?
Yes. Let's pray. Father God, we come to you with grateful hearts for your presence in this room tonight. We thank you ‸ that we have you to lean upon through the Holy Spirit and the power of the dedication and sacrifice of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
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helpful for the good of the citizenship of the city of Cocoa and all who love it and want to live well and productively here. Father, we pray that you would guide our leaders. May your hand be upon them. Give them favor. Give them uncommon wisdom in their decision making.
Yes. And,
Father, we honor you tonight. And we thank you for this great country we live in. And we look forward to your continued blessing upon this land. We ask it all in the power of Jesus' name. Amen. Amen.
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are suffering right now, who have lost loved ones, those who have loved ones who are in a hostage situation. We do pray, Father, that as Israel defends itself and does its best to keep its people safe around its borders and within its country, that you would give them the kind of uncommon wisdom they need to execute matters ‸ properly. Father, we honor you and our hearts ‸ are very heavy over difficulties like this anywhere in the world, but our attention tonight goes to them because it is happening as we speak. And so we pray for grace upon the land and the people and all who support it worldwide and speak out against the horrors that have been occurring. And so, Father, we just come humbly before you and ask for your help. ‸ We trust you as the sovereign God that you are in this matter. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen.
Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Pastor. Please join me in the pledge.
Thank you.
I pledge
my allegiance.
To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you very much. You may be seated.
Proceeding on
with tonight's meeting, may we do roll call, please? Madam Clerk.
Yes, sir. Yes,
ma'am.
Mayor Blake.
President, ma'am.
Deputy Mayor Hearn.
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Goins. Here. Councilmember Koss. Here.
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Yeah, he's over there with the city manager.
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Yes. Thank you very much, sirs. Okay.
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10th, 2023. I would like to make a
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with an amendment to add a consent item to approve a resolution amending the fiscal year 2024 budget to roll over the budgeted Provost Park project from fiscal year 2023. And to
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a vacancy in seat number
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I need a second. Second. Thank you very much, Deputy Mayor. I have a second on the floor.
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All in favor for saying aye. Aye. ‸ Any nays?
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Proceeding on to manage regular meeting of August 22, 2023.
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Motion to approve. We have a motion on the floor by Deputy Mayor Hearn. Second.
Go ahead.
Second by the chair. Just going to call for a
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Aye. Any nays?
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Proceeding on the proclamation for Customer Service Week.
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As well as you have one.
Or
do I have a...
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You
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Okay. Okay. Well, ma'am and sirs, would y'all please stand in recognition of our Customer Service Week council. Whereas Customer Service is an essential service provided to all of our citizens, utility and customers. Whereas the United States Congress proclaimed Customer Service Week, a ‸ nationally recognized event with the goal of emphasizing the importance of customer satisfaction and the value ‸ of the worker customer service team provides. The City of Cocoa would like to celebrate the importance and commitment of customer service and of the people who serve and support customer services on a daily basis.
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which encompasses over 90 plus thousand utility accounts, utility customer service, a division of finance,
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valued and appreciated group of dedicated professionals serving the community with pride. Whereas the City of Cocoa deserves to express
its
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sincere thanks and appreciation for the excellent service provided by the employees of the City of Cocoa and wishes to acknowledge the quality service provided by employees to the public, ‸ internally to their fellow co-workers.
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we can provide an opportunity to generate even stronger commitment to customer services excellence through motivation and teamwork to continue throughout the year. Now therefore,
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the Mississippi River, the Great City of Cocoa, of Florida, do hereby proclaim October the 2nd through October the 6th as Customer Service Week. I have raised my right hand and
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day. Please let's give our customer services a round of applause.
I
thank you
for standing
and
adopting them.
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So kudos to our customers, our services providers. Thank you very much.
You
may be seated. Please ma'am. Please sir. Okay. Now proceeding on with delegations. Under delegations,
you
have three minutes to expound on your particular item, 180 seconds. First on the list will be Pastor Randy Alonzo. Would you come forward please sir?
Good evening. Good evening. Thank you Mayor.
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your great leadership in the City of Cocoa. We do appreciate and we pray for you all the time that we would continue to be a great city to come and live in and prosper in. Let me give you a quick one minute history lesson. On October 7th
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Beit Shemesh,
Israel
and Mayor Blake the proclamation and the dedication of an official sister city relationship. So that's been 16 years now that we have been in partnership and friendship with ‸ this city, Beit Shemesh of 150,000 people. And of course tonight we want you to know that sister city relationship is moving forward. We have a meeting this Sunday, of course, with the events that have just happened. We are really working on how we're going to support and help the people who are there. To give you logistics about that, Beit Shemesh is only 15 miles from the Gaza Strip. They literally can see it from
they're
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up in the Judean hills and they're 10 miles west of Jerusalem. Our friends
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friends, ‸ which you know, Mayor. Mayor went to Israel with me in 2009, if you didn't know that. And he met all of the city leaders there. Many of them are still there, particularly Mayor Malka.
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the tragedy that they're dealing with. We have a long-standing relationship for which we are extremely
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for supporting us, making friendship with people in Beit Shemesh, Israel.
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of Israel along the villages and the cities right on that border and massacred over 1,000 people to count so far. And there are 200 hostages to include Americans who now have been taken back into ‸ the Gaza Strip. And to watch some of the footage is just too much for the average person because there was no discretion whatsoever in the terrorist actions.
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of Islam, but it is radical Islam. And I say that because Israel is a country of 10 million people. 7 million of them are Israeli Jews.
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live in a democratic society.
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them serve in the military.
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It's causing havoc as of right now. And it's heart wrenching. And I know you know that, but I'm here to speak ‸ on behalf of that. And Mayor, yesterday you said, well, what can COCO do? Well, your support and prayer, number one. And ‸ number two, your statements that say we align ourselves. I'm thankful for President Biden's statements this afternoon. Because as America goes, so goes Israel. As Israel goes, so goes America. We're our two best friends in the world. Absolutely. And we're democratic societies. So I'm pretty passionate about that. I'm heartbroken. I feel like my family is being massacred.
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I just came back three weeks ago from my 34th trip.
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out of Jerusalem that shows unconditional love through benevolent acts of kindness to the Jewish people. They are already on the Gaza Strip providing assistance with food and practical needs, ambulance help, bomb shelters. We do all of that. And so I wanted to come tonight in the spirit of that to thank all of you for thinking about it, praying for it and supporting it and being bold about it and letting people know where our hearts align with that. If you want to help more than
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It's very easy to do. And I assure you that any donation anybody would make will go to the front lines like tomorrow.
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this. So we're in crisis mode. And again, we are excited about growing the sister city relationship. It will take a new tone for the next few months, obviously. But we're grateful for a city that said we'll stand with you and we'll support that. So mayor council, everyone, thank you for the many years that you've given us so far.
Thank you very much. I stand with you in solidarity and support of our sister city.
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versa. I have mad love and respect for Israel. We've been there.
Yeah.
And I'm thankful for that.
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like for you to reiterate again the opportunity for if someone would like to make a donation, where can they make that donation? Yeah, that's
bridges for peace, one word, dot com. I say that because I've been working with them for 25 years. They move quickly. They're in position and it's happening right now. And so any ‸ kind of support that way is going to help people who are really suffering right now.
And the money
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It's the actual money
and goods. It's whatever, whatever the village, whatever
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the border. We
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build their community center. We put bomb shelters there. If I can just give you context real quickly. Yes. The proximity of this is like
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30 police officers.
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Saturday morning. And it happened from a bunch of people three miles away. So this is how horrific it is. As you know, it's a small place, but the intense fighting is smaller than Brevard County. And so you can imagine what people are dealing with and the trauma that goes around that.
Before we step away, I think you have some individuals with you. Yes. Can you identify those individuals? Yes.
Kathy and Teresa have been past presidents of the Sister City relationship.
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were founders along with myself and
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And
then this young lady,
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She is coming on to the board of directors this weekend to serve in the Sister City community. She's been to Israel herself. And we're excited for young people who want to help out.
Fantastic. I thank you. I embrace you with open arms and love you immensely. One last thing. Even though we may come from different tribes, we belong to one race, and that is the human race, because we're all God's children. So I thank you for taking on this leadership capacity and the staff here too as well. And welcome aboard, Phoebe.
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and stewardship.
Amen. And scholarship.
Yes.
Tonight at 7 o'clock, the group will be leaving shortly for a prayer vigil at Temple Beth Shalom in Melbourne to join our Jewish friends there.
Fantastic.
Thank you, thank you.
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Much love. Always. Much love. Much love. Let's give them a round of applause, please. Okay, proceeding on to the next card, Mrs. Bernice Cox.
Good evening, staff. Good evening, council.
Good evening.
I'm here pertaining to Aurora Street, a street I've been a resident for 57 years, and District 1 is my
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signs on each side of the street.
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The whole size of the streets are blocked with cars.
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time to be writing citations. He was short staffed in the beginning, and I've noticed he's hired about seven, eight people and a lieutenant.
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all night writing tickets. And I don't know who's responsible for those parking, no parking
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there because they have nowhere to park.
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street for the cars.
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with a red stripe, but on the side of it. And he flies down that street every day about five o'clock. And when he gets to that speed bump, he'll go airborne. And I think he lives over on Virginia and Rockledge.
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Chief,
thanks for your help and your guys for working 12 hour shifts for so long.
We
appreciate you. I do anyway. Okay.
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Code enforcement. I'm sorry.
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So when they came out to look at the trees, they said it was to the sidewalk. And I got. They all over the water meter in my yard, all the yards, except the one next door, the owner of that house, she cut hers had hers cut down. But those are city oak trees
and the street looked
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terrible. The whole district looked terrible. Because if you don't say something, you don't. Nothing happens. And I just want to advise the city of this. I'm sure I've talked with the the guy that's over grants about this. The African American, the abandoned African American cemetery grant money would be available very soon. I gave him the phone number to call in the young lady's name. And there's also an ‸ email. You just have to fill out the application.
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I know we've got one and not in the direct city of Cocoa, but it's in ‸ Cocoa. And it's it's really abandoned. They applied once in 2004 and they were denied.
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I see why. But churches own both cemeteries.
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and get them to file a grant application. ‸ It's not an application. You just file for the money, you know, and they got so much for black historic cemeteries. Thank you.
Thank you very much, ma'am. I know for a fact that we as a council when we attend. Tallahassee, we talk to state representative.
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And I.
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to as well, in conjunction with the rest of us.
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last three days, because a lot of people are complaining about the parking on the side. So they're not necessarily parking all the way off the road, which they're not supposed to be parking it anyway. But the main thing is they have a lot of the tow truck company is parking out there.
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School buses can't get by. Two cars cannot go by each other at the same time.
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people and violations on the owner as well. So I've talked to the owner myself in
New York.
Yes. And he's, you know, most of those guys don't
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that. ‸ We also talked about him purchasing that right away, but I don't know if we even want to entertain that. So it's three or four cars per apartment right now, maybe five cars per apartment. It's nowhere for in the park.
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they're there. We have signs on the side of the road
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They don't care about that. They just don't have nowhere to go. So maybe get some ideas on that.
Thank you. Because as you know,
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not everyone had the kids would not live in there. Not everyone owned the car, but the rules have changed immensely. And you're right, sir. And ma'am parking is a very valuable commodity.
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Most of them like efficiencies. Some of them efficiencies too.
Okay. Next will be Miss Donna Kettner.
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Good evening.
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My name is Donna Kettner.
I
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live at [address]. And being that we're on the subject of parking, what a great item that is. Because 41 years of having a business in Cocoa Village, it is non-existent. It doesn't exist in our downtown. It is a major problem.
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lot. Okay? There is no parking. I live here. If I don't walk to work and I need my car for taking my garbage to a dumpster, I have to park and pay. I have a few things. I mean, ‸ this puts a knot in my stomach.
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But I care so much of the village that I'm here.
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the American Bank building. We also have in existence ordinances to protect the inner circle of the village.
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They even protect the integrity in New York City. ‸ Chelsea is thriving.
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hustle and bustling. But it's businesses. It's small businesses. And I don't want to see an apartment building eight stories high, smack in the middle of town. Now, it's one thing when you're on the Outer Banks. It's not an eyesore against all the heights of what's existing there already. So I have major concerns about that. And I think it's going to really hurt the village long term. And I'll give you a couple of reasons. ‸ Number one, there is no projection of where are we going to have a parking garage that's close enough to the village for tourism to come to our town and visit it.
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a...I don't want to go on and on because I only have a short time to say it. But 41 years I survived on tourism. The waterway, if I didn't have that 41 years ago, forget it. I would have been out of business. So you can get customers through the waterways. But you have to provide them. There's not a town.
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They provide parking. You have to have that in order to survive a business in the downtown. It's very, very important for the growth of this town. We've come a long way. Please, don't take what's unique of our downtown that gives people a reason to come here. You have great restaurants. You have boutiques. You've got new businesses coming in. Please. It's heart-sickening to me to think that there's going to be an eight-story building put where there should be. And businesses. Let me see. If you're going to sell out to the developers who want major tax cuts for 10 to 20 or more years, while our taxes are going up, you're going to give the developers that want to come in major tax cuts. I think that's wrong.
Okay. Could you wrap it up for me?
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‸ Yep. I'm going to wrap it up.
Thank
you. And I think that we're unique enough where we don't have to give our land away for a million dollars.
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It was bought by the people of the community. The taxpayers paid for this building and that building. Let somebody come in with some savvy and make it happen. Don't give things away. ‸ We're a special downtown. We can attract other people to come to our town. Thank you.
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excuse me.
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I live at [address]. I'm in agreement with
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building. My question is, number one, ‸ apparently the property has already been purchased. Is that correct? So the properties
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that property, they did it under the law of which stands right now on the height variance. Is that correct? So if we don't pass this height variance, they are. Did they buy this property with the intention of knowing that you guys were going to slam dunk? Just raising the height level.
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when the height restriction is where it is right now? Unless they knew you guys were going to change it. That's all I have to say.
Thank you very much. Okay. Do we have any other cards in the audience?
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Seeing none. This concludes this portion of delegations and we will proceed on to the consent agenda item.
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Motion approved. We have a motion
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Second.
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All in favor by saying aye.
Aye.
Any nays?
i said
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unanimously.
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Conduct a public hearing to accept the assessment of Fair Housing AFH and analyst. Excuse me. Analysis and report and hold a public
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CDBG and home investment partnership. Grant programs. This is to
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Okay. Seeing that it's no ordinance.
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Ma'am.
Thank you Mr. Mayor. Yes ma'am.
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I'm sorry.
Jointly fund this AFH to collect and analyze recent data and community input on the Fair Housing challenges facing the county. The AFH combines data analysis and information gathered through the comprehensive community engagement process to identify the fair housing issues across the county and outline goals and actions to address them. The following goals were identified ‸ as a target objective for the next five years. Number one, increase first time home ownership opportunities for households earning less than 90% AMI. Number two, support the rehabilitation and preservation of affordable housing units for lower income homeowners. Number three, improve the CDBG and home grant application procedures. And number four, enhance partnerships with local agencies to increase participation and funding opportunities for affordable housing.
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September 24th for the AFFH plan.
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part of the public review period. Each agency,
uh,
Brevard County, Melbourne, Palm Bay, and Titusville and Cocoa are presenting their plans to their governing bodies for approval with the final hearing at Brevard County. After all cities have held their hearing. So staff is requesting acceptance of the AFH analysis
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affirmatively furthering
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Thank you.
I'm
available for questions. If you have any.
Council, do
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I'm
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that children closes portion to council and over to the public. Please come forward and state your name and your address for us, please. And you have three minutes to expound, elaborate, discuss this. ‸ Going once. Going twice.
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council.
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make a motion to approve.
Second.
We have a second on the floor by councilman Goins. Chair's going to call the question. All in favor of saying aye. Aye.
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it ‸ unanimously. Uh, proceeding on to item number two.
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have to recuse myself from this particular item. Um, item number six dash two. It's on a second and final reading. I will be in the room. Um, needless to say, you see three council members are here and it will take a unanimous vote. If I'm not mistaken, if it comes forward. So I will pardon myself and surrender the gavel to deputy mayor.
All
right. All
right. So at this time we're going to, uh, adopt
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to expand a very limited geographic area by which vertical mixed use projects may be built at 125
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land located at
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Uh,
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an ordinance of the city council of the city of
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adopting a large scale comprehensive plan text amendment amending a policy in the future lane use element authorizing the city council to approve by development agreement. Residential densities of up to 125 dwelling units per acre related to vertical mixed use projects expanding the very limited geographical area to which the policy applies.
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which is more particularly described here in by partial information and map.
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this designated mixed use future land use on the future land use map and which is designated south end S E sub district with. A commercial mixed use large CL building type on the cocoa waterfront overlay district regulating plan requiring a development agreement by the city council to approve such projects on such properties under certain terms and conditions.
deemed
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necessary and acceptable to the city council for the repeal of ‸ prior and consistent ordinances and resolutions incorporation into the
comprehensive plan severability
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And an effective date and legal status status of the plan amendment. As you know, the deputy mayor, this is second and final reading the adoption hearing for this proposed comprehensive plan amendment and a public hearing item.
All right staff, would you like to elaborate?
I'm going to defer comments to the city manager to discuss this item.
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This is our again as we've all noted the second reading of the ordinance there.
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Is that better? So we're here today on the second reading as you guys remember we've been out before
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and the market brought back to something with a far less density.
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and it's 25 units per acre. That's roughly 108 units. If you do the math on what's proposed that's a that's a somewhere north of 500 units.
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you ultimately is by approving this comprehensive plan text amendment because there is no in between in terms of the the the comp plan ‸ future land use amendment there. And so it's very important that that you look at it in that respect. Maybe the current is something that the market won't bring us and we've actually have a history of what that product was. And so that that if you if you will if you consider it this way that's the floor and perhaps the 125 is the ceiling. But there's no way for the market to actually bring you the part of the product that the market will bear unless you approve this comp plan amendment. And so just wanted to to to to make that point.
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a ceiling and a floor, but ultimately the ‸ market dictates the product that is going to fall in between those two.
Uh, any staff? Okay. Councilwoman
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okay. Let's see. I feel it's kind of Groundhog Day.
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here before. We keep coming back.
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before, I have a lot less heartburn over this location because it's on the outskirts of the city. But let me
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right up front that I know we'll have people that say, well this is development versus anti-development. And or this is we need to get this moving versus sitting still doing nothing. And that's not at all what this is about. Everybody here wants development. Everybody here wants to get it going. The question is, and it's a nuance, and we're all smart enough to have the discussion and consider the options. It's eight stories versus five stories. You have a development going on in Rockledge that will be limited to the, that is the 25 units per acre. It's limited to that density. On the other side of it, you have the consent degree area that is single family homes for the most part, right? So here we're proposing that it could potentially go up to eight stories.
Now,
this was as, as Mr. Witness explains, the staff initiative. This started a year ago and it started with the Bank of America property. The whole idea that we changed the density and even tonight we'll be changing the zoning. So that's why this keeps coming back.
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This is what I would call zoning creep. Because in that original proposal, this goes back a year. And this was after the developer had come to us and asked for a tax abatement for 10 years and was denied that.
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going to be Bank of America, Chase Bank and the hotel.
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next project coming up and And it reads, this is a tax amendment to expand the very limited geographic area. Now the Bank of America property, we're not discussing that right at the moment, but here's where the creep comes in. I ‸ talked with the developer when they presented us with the conceptual plans because the whole side of Harrison had no windows. And I said,
well,
why don't you have any windows there? And ‸ he honestly replied, well, we expect that Harrison Avenue will be going up to a similar height. And of course, that's ‸ the way this thing happens. Now the difference between eight stories and five
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per acre. It's also scale. Scale impacts walkability. It impacts character. It impacts a neighborhood sense of itself, even the community. In this case, again, it's on the outskirts, so it doesn't bother me so much that it's tall, but it's still out of scale.
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Or there was three stories that they're going to. It's in here somewhere. But it was 25 units per acre, the same as we have currently have. As you dig through this agenda item, the thing that's probably most concerning, and we've talked about this before too, because there is a real drive to increase, to generate tax revenues. I attended the Gilmore community meeting last night. And there's a lot of problems in this park area, a lot of need.
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in fact, I think we really do do quite a bit, in terms of services for homeless and low income. But even so, the need is
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So I understand my fellow council members in this drive, you know, to increase.
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question, ‸ the more money, the better. The point that I have tried to make every
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In this case, we really have an issue because as you read through the agenda item, there are two pieces of our comp plan that are being compromised. If this were to be developed and everything else and the other property Bank of America were developed to its fullest. And those are ‸ wastewater level of service and in transportation level of service. Now, the project in Rockledge, I believe, is 300 units, 400 units.
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math of that, Florida State math, hopefully. It's
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Yeah, so, and it's ‸ 1.5 cars per unit. So it starts to give you an idea of how many vehicles we're talking about. The Bank of America, that conceptual application, I ‸ think, ‸ was 245. So you start to get an idea of, you know, the increasing density in traffic.
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is a problem as well. So, in fact, the agenda item reads that if a project were developed at the very maximum density allowed, the threshold capacity allowed by the sewer master plan and capital facility plan will likely be exceeded for
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So, ‸ there are times and there are development where density does not necessarily serve your bottom line. Now, I know, again, I'll say I will be labeled the naysayer when in fact there are naysayers for five stories and there are naysayers for eight stories. There's a ‸ nuance here. We're all smart enough to weigh it. We're
all smart enough to weigh it.
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First of all, the wastewater policy under our comprehensive plan policy 4.1.1.4 All expansions and other improvements of residential institutional office commercial and industrial uses that increase the demand of public infrastructure and require permitting shall comply with the adopted levels of service.
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This
is under future land use policy 1.1.4.5 The city shall protect and buffer residential areas in the cocoa downtown redevelopment area from uses of high density or intensity.
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right now for five stories and we can look for offers. There's nothing stopping us from getting this going. In fact, you know some of the feedback has been that developers are not going that high-rise route now, given some of the things that happened in South Florida, We're given what happened in south florida So the other thing that this does and it did for the bank of america future land use change as well, was it gives staff, it gives
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sole discretion in regard to negotiating the development agreement. My concern is that we have I have not seen discretion When we get and you know, maybe it's happening and I just don't see it because we you know We don't get any of these applications until they're dropped here I'm not seeing that kind of discretion Now I know you can do taller buildings you can tear them you could do the architecture But um We have the opportunity to put this out there now We had a proposal on it when we had it out the last time The creep I want the creep to stop I want to make sure that we still have a village when it's all done And I'll just stop there
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‸ Yeah
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Are you what are you willing to change your vote?
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Do we have a chance to do a
negotiation in this? Do we have any way we can take it down from eight stories from that level of density?
That my only concern is So ‸ we talk about the rock
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um is is another seven, maybe eight more acres, right? And so,
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business is here to make a profit So so them using uh four acres you said it yourself um That being outside of the village is really not a major concern in some aspects because it's not necessarily in the middle So so and I think
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and so
I don't understand the argument when it is outside of I definitely understand it when it's inside.
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may not agree with that either, but I can understand the argument um so I If you're not willing to change uh your vote, I know we got to take it to the public as well
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so I maybe can hold my um Um, speaking to what we're doing. I just hold it until we finish
is the
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just a couple of points there. Um, we don't we don't have a whole lot of development agreements out there um, we have done them Obviously you can place certain requirements of the developers in the development agreement for example Rockledge is requiring the developer to actually upgrade the water and sewer mains for that project. And so You know that can be done within development agreements there. My whole point earlier point is is that you You you you don't get to um You know,
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between five and eight stories um In a development agreement, you can cap it uh in the RFP uh that's out there. And so there are a number of ways
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You know, that's
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You know and perhaps they actually capped the number of units
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the market control the number of units there, because If you do the math on 13
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have 292. It's actually 325 units there. And
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the developer. And so again, the point I'm i'm stressing is, is that We've been there. We we had The one proposal when we know what that proposal ‸ was
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That sort of in between in between what we have now and in between uh, the 125 units per acre I was told by a developer that
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in the middle of that, you know, you're you're because um, they're looking at a return on investment and so Again, that's the point I want
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impress upon the council There are limits that can be placed issuance of an RFP that caps it or ask for a certain number of stories, of certain density um as well as development agreements.
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on something with less density that has something says we're going to put in the development agreement or whatever?
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Well, I mean, actually
I actually did so
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What would get you to the ‸ Yes.
uh uh when you talk about scale, you always, you don't want to go
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can't do that.
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the council and open it up to the public. Got a couple cards here. And
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Olives and Grapes. Olives and Grapes has been in the business, uh here in the village for almost 17 years. Tales has been here for eight. Over this time period, I have looked at vacant lots. They're still vacant. 16 years and they're still vacant. That's not growing any revenue. I'll tell you what I see.
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move forward, which you did. We're at the second reading. Please move forward. that's particular light is on the, what is that, the south end.
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and there's nothing over there. As I told you the last time,
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several times a day. I see the towers over here. I see the towers over there. But the biggest thing I see is
there's
this huge gap when I come over that bridge. And the only thing I'm looking at is the Bell South Tower with, I don't know, how many things we can put on that tower to pick up a cell phone or pick up an emergency signal.
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that empty lot is bringing me
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nothing.
Nobody's buying anything from that empty lot at either one of my stores. Nothing. nothing Please, let the builders do what they need to do. Give them the leeway that they need to build. I just came back from Atlanta. I toured Atlanta. I toured five different areas, okay, outside of there.
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of a beautiful, old, historic Atlanta area outside. I walked in thinking that it was a place of business, not realizing it was the prettiest Hilton I'd ever opened the doors to, right in the middle.
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Everything around it was low. Absolutely gorgeous. People on the streets, people shopping. Come visit the village. We're empty. The lights are empty. I'll speak to the next one in a minute, but empty. ‸ Do something. Please build. Give these builders what they need. You're not getting revenue off that empty light. Thank
you. Next up, Mr. Richard Davis.
Thank you. Good evening. I appreciate uh your time here. um I actually am from Rockledge, but I'm the senior warden at St. Mark's Episcopal Church and Academy, and uh it's been around since 1878.
um
I really appreciate everything that's
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um It's really a vibrant spray space right now for gathering, for fellowship, see families, a lot of positive public things going on there. um
um
I love the idea of more potential parishioners coming in, moving into the neighborhood. that That's not bad. And uh our school could use more children. That'd be great. um um
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my concern would be the area can't manage it. uh
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i really can't picture in my mind 243 vehicles never mind 1.5 times 243 vehicles driving
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versus going to large. And I'm talking mainly about the uh Bank of America site. uh The other site, I
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that that are allowed in there. But there's really no buffer area for an eight story building,
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visitors. i I see people now jockeying for parking spots, the few that may exist. um I think people might say, you know, beautiful place, I loved it, but I'm not going down there because it's too much of a hassle now. So I'm concerned about over developing in that area. And it may negatively affect the charm at eight stories. i think we need to consider the aesthetics and the public safety issues, of the infrastructure. I'm not suggesting that the property should languish. I think five stories could benefit the community and a developer. i honestly But but that's it. i
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thank you
next
up,
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for allowing me to speak. There's some statements that were made in reference to this particular piece of property, the
bank of america property and
they're it's also being included with the Bank of America property. bottom line you're talking about 25 million
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for each of these two properties. And it is all about profit. There's also studies made that if anybody is going to spend that kind of money, they won't get the funds to build it if the information is
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opinions. Everybody has an opinion whether something's too high. Councilman
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stated it. It's all about profit. And that's exactly what it is. You cut that profit down, you'll have less people interested in developing here, period. We've just had a tax increase because of the self-proclaimed naysayer that does not want development anything other than three or five stories. This building we're in is five stories, 20 feet per floor.
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stories high on the river. This is not a newfound deal. My family built the first condos here and the same concerns there on River Road is what I'm hearing now. It's fear. People are afraid of change. ‸ And the thing that needs to be really further stressed, not only does the people that have the funds that are interested in developing here, we have a staff here. The staff, we're talking about at least 10 that have put this paperwork together to have it presented before the board. If you have never owned a business or know what it takes to pay for the costs of running a business, you should not be this against what other people feel the funds are there and is supported, including the staff in this room. That is ignoring what they're licensed for. And
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she's not licensed, never had a business. This is an example that I'm using that all this fear that's being brought up has no foundation to it. Now, when the people come before us that are wanting to develop this property, it's going to be publicly discussed, just like we did with the hotel. We've let them know what we want
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and all that. Those are the things that will be discussed publicly. And that's based on facts, not opinions. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. Next up, Pat Chambers.
I would just like to agree with Councilwoman. It's not so much, it's the creep issue. It's that you're going to let this happen, and then because that happened, you're going to let this happen, and because this happened, you're going to let that happen. So, if you think about profit, I own my own business. I've been in business for 20 years. I know bigger is not always better. My statement is that
the developers aren't going to make any money.
I don't care. I live here. This is where my home is.
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I agree. Three to five stories. I'm good with that. But
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It's going to
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I care about where I live and how I live.
Thank you. Thank you. Okay, at this time, we're
going
to close it from the public. i
like
Can you fill out a card for me, ma'am? um You can do it afterwards. That's fine.
um
‸ Again, I live here. I work here. I live on [address]. How much traffic is going to go down my street? I'm already thinking I want speed bumps because you're talking. How many cars
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490 cars, more going down Derby Street. Okay? Because I live here. I do care. I sleep here. I wake up here. I go to work in the morning. I am concerned, not for the developers. I'm concerned for our community community and what makes us unique and thrive as a downtown area. If you want to be like Miami, move to Miami. You want to move to Tampa? You can have every high rise you want looking at it.
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You have Florida
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came here. You sold all those people in those condos the charm of the village. You can live here. You can walk into town. You can have dinner. You can shop and you can go home. And it's not a big city. They didn't move here for it to become a big city. They came here to have quality of life. That's why they moved here. Because
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knew them coming in on boats 41 years ago telling them that this was going to be built. It's a great place to live. Come. Come to the community. It's a great place to live.
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didn't want to live in a big city anymore. I want to know a question. The city owns that property, right? How much did the city pay for that property that is only going to make it happen?
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Florida Avenue off
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You're going to sell it to a developer. What was the dollar? But what was that land bought for?
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get somebody to make that happen. I sold my building for more than that. And I did it because the city promised me I wasn't going to get flooded out.
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because the city didn't live up to its
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I couldn't deal with the flooding anymore. But my customers begged me to stay. That's why I'm still here. Because they said, this is the only place to shop. Please don't leave. i can't i'm begging you to know do not sell out to these developers you're not going to be
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you can get people that care to live here to develop here this thing that it's got to be a skyscraper in a little village what's charming um it's wrong it's just really wrong and i'm i'm speaking from my heart and we pray for this meeting that you and you and you and everybody that is here cares about where we live and what it becomes thank you very much
thank you okay at this time i'm going to close up from the public open it back
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we have uh three people on the dais uh it doesn't seem like
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uh based on
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um so to me uh the best option on the table right now is to table it uh
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meeting as well um that will help the item um again we may not agree on certain things but just because we don't agree doesn't mean we don't care
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be clear we have a difference of opinion of course that's just that's part of that's part of how we live our lives and ‸ experiences that we have
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so i'll make i make a motion to table this item
uh okay
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we gonna ‸ vote on it? uh okay yeah, because I wanted to ask. I didn't get an answer to my question before.
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into ‸ well, maybe we can't. maybe I
just want to point out.
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I just wanted to point out that this property is already designated CL large commercial mixed use. So eight stories is already permitted. This ordinance is just about the density and the density would have to be established through a negotiated development agreement if this ordinance passes. So this ordinance is really not about the height Well, but if you
change
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125 units, then you know that it can be. So I mean, this whole thing about density and height, they're definitely connected. There
is some ‸ Is there? yeah I
just
wanted to point out that this, unlike the next ordinance, right ‸ this property, the owned by the city, currently has the CL large
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So at this current time, even if this item was voted down, a developer could come in and build that eight stories.
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there are serious density limitations of 25 dwelling units per acre. Right. That, of course, it ‸ could impact the height, um depending on you know the building, uh the acreage of the developable lot. So they can go.
So could we set the density at less than 125? So could we set it at half of that?
But by if this ordinance were passed by a development agreement, this ordinance simply incorporates the south section designation under the waterfront master plan as eligible for an existing 125 maximum density. So we would not be able to play around with the the the 125 density because that's not what this ordinance does. It would have to, that would require another comp plan amendment.
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into place last year sometime, is just the maximum. The density is limited by a negotiated development agreement based on a specific project. And that project has to be mixed use. It just can't be a standalone. It can't be a standalone, um um you know, multi-family project.
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a mixed use component.
Okay. And so I I'm still not, I'm sure I'm not sure what the options are. I guess we have. We have a motion on the table, but The We have no ability to change the density Except through an agreement and we have no way the development agreement And we have no way to to
incorporate
our wishes to decrease the density in this amendment change. ‸ This
ordinance would only establish a maximum density for
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can limit the, the, ‸ actual density that occurs based on a specific project Because the project's in the CRA there needs to be an rfp that gets published, which states the intent of the, of the city council. So there would be an opportunity there to, um state your wishes regarding, you know, density of a project.
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when the projects come in, no density is, is permitted until a development agreement is adopted by the council. So the council has another opportunity, um to, to limit the density and establish the density. And I think the mayor,
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the points. I mean, again, you don't get to the density except for, uh and through a development agreement. So you, you have ‸ the RFP, um which can set parameters you, and then you have the development agreement there. And so those are your control points, you know, obviously those require a vote of, of, uh of the CRA and those require a vote of a council. But, but again, those are the control points. um you know, the market probably
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but you do have those control points as the attorney has said via the RFP and, and the, developers agreement. That's the only way you could possibly get to
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is through a development agreement.
right Because
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not entitled ‸ to the 125. It has to be established by the City Council by development agreement on a project specific basis. And
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is because, you know, we have uh been inclined. uh
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on it if we had stuck with
see
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where it's at right now, the density, the the zoning, the comp plan as it stands now. It could have been out there on the street. The proposal we had before met that zoning.
Well, I think ‸ We've
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that Rockledge is doing just fine at this density. Well,
I know we we spoke with developers and I think this is one of the issues that came up. And this was what we directed staff to
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and we, uh
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we and and
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We, we, we had a proposal. Absolutely. We had a proposal. um from a developer who had not built anything, even on that small scale. And so you have developers that are in the marketplace that build much bigger products, uh that have been in the business for, uh decades that did not bid on this. And so when you say we had a proposal, we absolutely did have a proposal. We didn't have a proposal from those folks who are out there building products and doing projects every day.
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but probably is a product of density. You know, whether or not they can reach, they can achieve their desired return on investment based on the density. But the, again, the project that we receive and the proposal that was accepted by the city was from a developer who had no experience building a project on that scale.
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that's twice the size of of um of a of our five acres and again they have a development agreement that actually requires certain things of the developer. I think that is um you know again we we talk about the water and sewer they're requiring the developer to to supply that capacity increase and so um you know much much bigger scale much uh larger footprint to to uh to achieve the density on. But again we don't know what the market is going to bring us until you actually put it out to the market. The only way that you can figure out what the sweet spot is in between the 25 units per acre and the 125 units per acre is to put it out there through an RFP and um and and place certain controls if you will within the RFP and within the development agreement.
so so as stated uh the original concern from what I'm hearing correct me if I'm wrong it was the height um at the current current zone ‸ they can go up to
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density. um
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um So now that we got that out the way uh attorney city managers stated we have multiple uh means of controls um to uh have a developer uh develop a product that's. in agreeance with council and the citizens of uh Coco. um So with that being said I mean I think I think we got some of those nuances ‸ out the way. uh Would you be willing to vote yes on that. ‸ Or do you feel comfortable at that point.
the
I just just remind you. I'm just ready to see some development. Yeah.
I just the the density thing. um Is because we're changing. We're changing it in the future land use. Right. We had to do. Then we change the zoning.
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The regulating plan controls the regulating
plan That's what comes next.
That's already been approved.
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that's owned by the city. But the density has not.
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But this is the max. and And to remind you what that property was before,
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And
no doubt. if it we If we have put this out, we could already have it out there and getting bids on it.
So I mean, so let's put it out and vote yes on it. I
mean i made
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i I think people want to see that property develop. They want to see some good products. As
I do.
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so
But we have the controls. Correct. Multiple means of controls. We
have the controls right now. We can put it out there and we have the controls. at 25 and 30 units.
We've done that. um ‸ As stated by Miss
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uh It's been what, 16 years, she said? And
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no one's come forth. Obviously there was a reason
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it. And of course,
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All right. So it looked like she's not budging. So
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is taken care of in the future. uh So I make a motion table.
Okay. I'm okay. I'll second that. um
well Let's vote. be
done with it I'll second that. um
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aye Any nays?
Nay.
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nay to table it and then make it and then vote no on on the item, then it still doesn't pass.
Okay. So I vote with
you.
Thank you. All right. We appreciate you.
The table. ‸ it. We're going to table this item. uh Thank you everybody for speaking passionately and being hard on this issue.
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a one minute break? uh
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we're going to take a one minute break, bring the mayor back in, and
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So we can turn it on? I
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