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Chairperson Park? Here. Vice Chairperson Anderson? Board Member Chabot? Yep. Board Member Greenwood? Board Member Finley? Here. Board Member Wheeler?
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Present.
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Board Member Manfredi?
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Here.
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Board Member Burgess? Alternate Member Stewart? Yes.
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All right. And we have a quorum.
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right. If everyone could please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.
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pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All righty. Next, we'll move on to our request for approval of the agenda. ‸ Anybody have anything they can discuss on the agenda as presented? I'd
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like to
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make
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a motion to accept
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it. Okay, we have a motion to accept Mr. Chabot. Can
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get a second?
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I second.
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Mr. Manfredi was raising his hand. No problem. I'll let you know. So, Mr. Manfredi had a second. One small item to question. Under 4C, it has the n dot dot end. If you see this item,
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talks about the consideration of a zoning text. And then at the very end, it has n dot dot end.
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On the
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agenda? Yes, ma'am.
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Okay.
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Sorry. I
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It looked like it. It looks like
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it. So, I
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can change that.
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It's up to you.
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just want to make sure that ‸ it's all kosher.
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Okay. All right.
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So, see nothing further. All in favor of
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Any opposed? Excellent. Motion passes. All right.
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Does anybody need some more time to review the minutes before we present a motion? All right.
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May I get a second?
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Second.
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It's your choice.
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All
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right. All in favor? Aye.
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All right. Didn't hear any ‸ opposed? I didn't think so. There is no old business under Section 3, so we move on to Section 4. New business, item A, 24-628.
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All right. Good evening. Is this mic on? Can you hear me? Okay. All right. Good evening. My name is Alexis Crespo.
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am Vice President of Planning with RBI Planning and Landscape Architecture.
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that works over there, I can move.
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these aren't.
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I'm
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So I should just project my voice.
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Okay. All right. Well, we've got to pick her up on the recording, right?
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Yeah.
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give us ‸ a couple of seconds, hopefully.
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Mm-mm. Is it legally required to record?
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That was mine. ‸ You got it.
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Test test test. I don't think
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Yeah,
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yours is working.
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You'll be seeing more of me. Steve Noto has left to take a position at Orlando Health.
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large scale comprehensive ‸ plan amendment. It's a text amendment related to your mixed use future land use category. So currently the mixed use future land use category does require the entire ground floor of vertically integrated mixed use buildings to be non residential uses. So when we say vertically integrated, that's a multi story building. Typically, the bottom floor would be restaurants retail shops offices things of that nature. And then the upper stories are your residential uses within that that building. So currently the policy related to mixed use future land use does require that that entire ground floor be dedicated to those non residential uses. The text amendment we're proposing would make that a bit more flexible and still require the majority of that ground floor street frontage to be non residential, but would allow a developer to incorporate some residential units within the ground floor.
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So this is within the mixed use future land use category, which is shown in the purple on this future land use map. This is about 110 acres of the city is within this future land use category. So it's not specific to one property. It would be applicable across these 110 acres subject to the provisions of your land development code undergoing site plan review and all the requirements.
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And really where we're focusing the amendment and where we hope it, it, it takes shape is
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about a year ago that can go up to 125 units per acre. The intent was to really ignite redevelopment in cocoa village and allow for higher densities mixed use to, um, hopefully just get redevelopment moving forward at a quicker pace there and responding to the market demand for higher densities on those properties. So we, we believe that, uh, while this is applicable to the entire mixed use future land use category, this is really where this type of text amendment would be, would be used, uh, by the development community. So currently, uh, this is the text in your comprehensive plan. It's just a very simple statement that says, uh, only retail sales offices, services, and restaurants are permitted on the ground floor. Thereby prohibiting any of the ground floor, um, to be used for residential purposes. So we're proposing, um, it's, it's a lengthy, um, text change, but it, the effect of it is that 51% of that ground floor would still have to be non-residential uses, your restaurants, your office space, uh, retail, things of that nature. The remaining 49% of that ground floor street frontage could be residential. So we can dissect the language if you'd like, but that's really the, the gist of it. Just allowing again, some residential on the ground floor. Um, speaking from the, the private side of development, oftentimes to get commercial retail space leased, you need people. You need people in the area that are used that come downstairs, buy their coffee on their way to the office in
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morning, you, you do need activation by residents to really make the commercial successful. So our hope in doing this is that it will get these mixed use projects moving forward. It will get more people living in cocoa village. And then those retail spaces will become in more and more demanded and, and utilized and fully leased up. So, um, again, this would be the, it's specific to the building length of that ground floor.
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again, we want to activate the street with some non-residential in order to have that mixed use environment. So it's very specific to the frontage of the building. And then there's some, some detailed language, um, that was worked out for the purposes of this policy. Pedestrian vehicle driveways, ingress and egress corridors can be subtracted from the building length on, on each street prior to calculating the required percentage of that building. Uh, so that just removes some of those extra areas as being part of that 51% calculation to,
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really make it based upon activated, um, habitable areas of the building. So I, it continues on non-commercial uses, other, otherwise permitted by the underlying zoning district parking to serve the vertical mixed use or general public may occur on the remaining of the street on the remainder of the street frontage or within the interior of the building. So we, uh, provide a detailed analysis in your staff report. We do think this will be a favorable change,
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uh,
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hence it being staff initiated. We think this again will help activate redevelopment downtown or cocoa village rather. Um, ‸ there's no change to density or intensity where we're allowing different mix of uses on that ground floor, but this in no way will increase the number of units that can go in this future land use category or increase the intensity that can go in the future land use category. So they'll in effect, we know impact on, on public services and facilities. We think this will be consistent with a comprehensive plan as well as the state's comprehensive plan. Um, will not negatively impact compatibility with the surrounding neighborhood and will really help effectuate the idea of bringing housing and employment and goods and services closer together within these mixed use projects. So with that, we are requesting your recommendation of approval for this text amendment.
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Um,
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the past years, um, to again, activate redevelopment. This, uh, would be transmitted ‸ to the state department of commerce. It will be reviewed by the state before any final adoption by your city council. So there is a thorough vetting process of these types of changes as well. And I'm happy to answer any questions
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you may
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All right. Thank you. Does the board have any questions? Yes.
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Is there a new comprehensive plan available? And if not, when will it be available?
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Are you referring to the comprehensive plan on the city's website? There's some sections outdated based on recent amendments. Is that what you're referring to?
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I'll ask staff to.
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I'm sorry. What was the question, sir? Sorry, I was not. He says, is there a new comprehensive
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He asked if there's a new comprehensive plan.
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talking about the ear update.
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we'll undergo an era update, um, starting fairly soon and due to the state by, uh, October of next year.
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Any other questions?
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you. Okay. Let's make sure. ‸ All right. Mr.
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be restrictions on the residents of what they can have outside next to a business as far, for instance, I'm cooking ribs on a grill, uh, right next to a business. I, I just think that would be a little awkward.
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so these projects would not only have to go through a final site plan approval where staff would evaluate the details once we get that level of detail on a plan set. So we could, we would analyze for compatibility with how the residential, um, units are interfacing with the commercial uses. Um, something that's also required for these higher density mixed use project is a developers agreement. So you would also see those kinds of details of how, um, the building would lay out and how those uses would play out, uh, through the developers agreement that would come before you as well. Once we get a project that's utilizing this, this change.
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know, uh, any type of housing in a smaller area like that, there's not enough storage. So people tend to put stuff outside. So
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just food for thought, be ahead of the game instead of behind it.
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Yep. Thank you.
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Any other questions for the staff?
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how many, um, on the, I think there's seven parcels. Is that correct?
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How many, um,
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buildings of, uh, say seven or eight stories are expected in those places?
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I am, I am not sure. I don't know if staff has.
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Well, I mean,
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you get to the seven or eight stories through a development agreement. And so, um, we're working on one project now that, uh, that would have a development agreement in place.
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hall, uh, site is another one. Um, and then the,
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again, that's out for RFP. So, so I guess to answer your question, I would say two. Two at the moment. Yes.
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And is it my understanding that those buildings can have 125 apartments in them and dwelling
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units? Well, it's 125 units per acre. Again, you get there via a development agreement there.
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if the hotel site would be 125. You remember?
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hotel wouldn't have residential units. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
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be 125, actually two of the three that I mentioned there, the, uh, the site on Brevard and then the site that's on Florida.
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Okay.
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And, and
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that, that type of, um, increase in population would not stress the sewer system and the water system and the schools and so forth. Yeah.
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There's an evaluation of all of that, that has to take place.
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If, uh, in all candor, the, the analysis showed that if you did four, um, at that, uh, at that density four ‸ sites,
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then
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that fourth site may have an issue and may need to, uh, to, um, um, um, have a lift. Station or have some extension of capacity in place.
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Okay.
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Thank you.
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All right. No further questions for staff. So we'll open this up to the public and we have a card for Mr. Herring. All right. Fair enough. It's not this one.
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Just want
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make sure. All right.
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Bring it back to
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the board. I have a couple items because, as I always do. No, um, small clerical. Okay.
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the
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at the end should be in front of category and not. And
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it
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just, it's not consistent with the rest of the whereas statements. I understand why you guys do it.
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three,
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it says, um, for significant work, live and recreation options.
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significant work, life and recreation options. Yeah. I didn't know if the use of live was intentional or not. ‸ Little things. That's all I have. So if I ‸ get a motion on, uh, whether we'd like to approve or. Or disapprove, postpone or anything on this ordinance. I'll make
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the motion
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to approve. All right. Motion to approve. Mr. Chabot with the changes, maybe that I suggested or. Absolutely. All right. Excellent.
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I'll second it.
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Second from Mr. Stewart. All right. Any further discussion? Um, I like it. Uh, all in favor. All right. All right. I don't see any opposed. So the
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have it. Moving on to our second item,
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uh, under
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postpone. So we need to have a motion to postpone this item to a specific date.
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Uh, to the next, uh, planning and zoning board meeting, which would be December 4th.
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Correct. December 4th. Yeah. So, um, I'll do it.
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until December 4th, 2024.
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All right. Any further discussion? All in favor on this item?
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Aye.
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Any opposed? None heard. Excellent. Thank you all for working on that.
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Yeah.
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Moving down the line on item 4 C.
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The purpose of this ordinance is to update the tree preservation and replacement requirements with specific guidelines for
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overseen by the appropriate boards in the city council. First change we add into the tree definition by including palm trees and palm trees should only be recognized as trees if they meet a minimum trunk diameter of 12 inches and grow to at least 15 feet in height. We also proposing changes to the tree replacement standards palm trees
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removed must be replaced when the trunk diameter has 12 inches or more measure a breast height and can grow to at least 15 feet or greater.
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can make up to no more than 35% of the total requirement replace replacement inches.
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the preservation credits for trees preserve.
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The amendment grants three additional replacement credits for each tree
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in a public conservation area dedicated to or conveying to the city as part of a development project.
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and a half.
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One and a half acres that correct
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yeah one and a half acre. One and
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half acre to one acre and the minimum width has been raised from 75 feet to 125 feet.
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the city council. Other base light tree planting requirements still apply and has not been changed.
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article 13 section 22 landscaping requirements and tree preservation are transferred from the board of adjustments to the planning zoning board and consequently the tree board. The planning ‸ zoning board may now grant a waiver based on a competent
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evidence aligned with the appendix a zoning article 17 section 8 c1. This changes
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waivers authority for property use within the planning zoning board while reserving decisions to arbor mitigation fund contributions for the city council. So if the waiver is related to asking to waive the ‸ need for them to pay or to contribute to the war arbor mitigation fund that actually will go to the city council and not the planning zoning board. So this
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related to sustainable development in urban beautification by refining landscape and tree preservation standards. This ordinance will enhance compliance with local zoning codes.
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So the staff. Recommends that the planning zoning board recommends approval. Over zoning tax amendment to appendix a article. 13 section
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standards and procedures related to waivers of this
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Thank you. Does anybody have questions for staff?
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I do at this time. Thank you for that presentation. I do have a, just a general question in regards to the centralization that was referenced. Regarding the authority of the existing PNZ board, AKA tree board in conjunction with how that's going to
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Uh, with their council and their ability to. Is it to be an oversight?
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this time?
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That's where we're going to distinguish the types of waiver. You know, we have to see what is the waiver request. What is the applicant trying to request or the developers requesting if our, if is the request is based on landscape requirements that, you know,
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section also
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So covers as things that they have ‸ provide, not as specifically to tree, but landscape in general, then that will come to the planning zoning board. But if it's something that is related with their tree, you know,
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they have to, when we have, when we receive the site plan application and it goes through review process, they have to go, you know, the landscape plans have to be revised and they have to, um, meet certain criteria, you know, with the species. There are preserved per code and any for some reason they, you know, they saw everything that is related with the tree replacement and those credits. So we recognize that kind of associated with the Arbor mitigation fund.
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not for by the planning zoning board. So we as a staff, we're going to be able to differentiate the type of waiver.
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requesting. So if there is any kind of financial association that at the end it is related to our bird mitigation fund contribution that it would be automatically going to
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So we would
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Clarity.
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doesn't necessarily mean that.
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wrong in the process because it is a new
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process, you know,
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new procedure for
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us.
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waiver should be
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by the tree board, you know, not board of adjustments. Um, and also when
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related to, you know, uh, uh, uh, receiving, uh, financial contribution from a developer, you know, then we believe the city council should oversee that in, uh, ‸ you know, board of adjustments.
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thank goodness for time and tenure now, I guess, um, when we were initiating this, the new, um, I guess we'd say provisions towards the mitigation fund
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meaning you ‸ have X number of trees and all this other good stuff that you guys do such an efficient job of letting, you know, the layman like myself know. With these contributions, I understand that you gave a sizing requirement of 12 inches in diameter, chest high and all these nice things. But at the end of the game, how does that contribute to the offset? So the same as like how we look at ‸ old tree, for example, how there has to be a certain number of, of offset of plants to substantiate the removal and, and, and the density of how many we're supposed to have. Do we count these the same way these now palm trees?
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That's why we actually change it in the code.
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public works, they recognize the center palm trees should not be considered or counted towards. That, um, when we do the whole evaluation. Um, so that's why we're trying to change. But if you look at the section of the code, there is a table, there's, you know, other trees. They're also part of the, that we should be taking consideration and included. So this is just one tiny section of, of a more complex
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I wanted to make sure Alex had full representation. ‸ Yeah. Yeah.
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Okay. And I'm not sure, but Kristen, she probably can add to it a little.
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Yeah. Maybe to simplify it. If, um, if you were to, so if, if a palm tree is removed, that is, uh, less than 12 inches, you don't have to replace it. That is part of what this, this code change is, is, um, providing for if it's over 12 inches. So
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a palm tree. We've said that you still have to replace it with one tree that could be a different species, um, instead of having to replace it with, for example, multiple trees.
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with quite as many trees as say another type of species. So that's, that's what we've provided for here.
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Thank you.
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Mm hmm.
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All right. Do you have any other questions for staff on this item? All right. And just
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I see some new people out there, I'll close it to the board and open it up to the public.
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Just want to make sure. I wouldn't see one.
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You can speak on it.
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Thank
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Good evening.
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Good evening.
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Um, first of all, let me say thank you for that we have increased the area that can be traded. I appreciated that from the last time so that it's more protective in terms of what can actually be exchanged.
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also that
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no longer. It would no longer be in the
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I think it's more appropriate in the
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the tree board.
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expert. ‸ My master's degree is in environmental management from Duke University. I studied these issues for a long time, not trees specifically, but worked the last 10 years of my career in stormwater management in using green infrastructure to complement gray to manage stormwater.
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Biologically, they are different. They have different root systems, but they do have ecosystem services that they provide us quite similarly to those that even oak trees do. And there are certain species of birds in particular that flock to those trees and not others as well as the seeds that they produce make them attractors of pollinators.
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correct size of the tree should be in order for us to save it.
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I understand we want to have reasonable tree ordinance so that we can, you know, attract this development. We want it to be fair.
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And the reason I say that is after having spoken with Sally Scalera, who is the county horticulturist tree
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a neighbor of mine, there are certain palm trees that don't even reach 12 inches in diameter. But they attract, you know, certain specific species. So I'm just and ‸ I'm searching for it and I'll continue to search for it. The scientific basis to that our ordinance should be written on. So that is I just I wanted to put that on your radar screen. So I think it's important trees do everything for us. You know, they generate the air we breathe. They give a stormwater protection.
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we have along Indian River Drive. They break this the energy of storms. They are the species
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going to be there when we get that big one. Because the oak trees might not be. But the palm trees will. So, you know, it's unfortunate. Maybe we should call it the tree and palm ordinance.
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voice. And. And hope that we can. You know, find something that really serves all purposes. So thank you.
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Uh, like to speak from the public on this item. All right, then I will close it to the public and bring it back to the board. And, uh, anybody have anything else you need to add to this? You ready? All right, go for it.
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want to bring to ‸ attention that every project, every site, I plan. Uh, that we
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for a new project. Uh,
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you know, like, it's just one of the requirements like the landscape plans, drainage reports and other, other types of reports and environmental report.
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law. So I just want to point it out that that's assessment. It is done before a land is clear.
[00:36:07] Speaker 2
Thank you. Thank you. Just really quick as a quick rebuttal, um, to what councilman cross brought to us here today. Do appreciate you giving fear and unbiased representation towards that. But we will note that there is a stark difference between a fibrous nature of a palm tree that is very rapid growing versus that of an oak tree that is not. So with the 12 inch in diameter, there are species naturally that we know that are more shrub based under which are very herbivores like to live in.
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it. The scope is more towards the mitigation factor of how we're doing these offsets with developers and how we're allocating tree for tree versus tree on a bush or what we define as a tree. So, whether the definition is 12 inches, um, or less, or, or whether it, it substantiates, as we said, uh, ‸ tree and palm, I think the net results.
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result is still trying to move in my vague opinion is still trying to move us in a greater definition to make sure that the trees are still being put back and still being mitigated, um, within the city.
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I give everyone the chance before I start going. So here we, yes, ma'am.
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There is something just to be clear reading this. We're really only saying that we're granting waivers as the tree board. Basically, I mean, I know I see all this information, but the tree replacement, the guidelines here on page two are still pretty clear, um, for tree removal, replacing them. I mean, that's still in place. It just seems like we just added the palm tree to kind of put that with the rest of the trees.
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That's the way I'm reading it. That we're responsible for granting waivers.
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Yeah.
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I think we're doing, we're really doing, um, three, three or four things here.
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said there, it is the credit. Uh, it's the, the replacement factor for palms and what size of palms. And so they're, they're there. We believe some cities that don't require you to mitigate palms at all. And so as, as was said, palms are, are not trees. And so again, to, to have a balance ordinance, uh, we've lived with the current ordinance for a year. And we know that, that again, um, to, to balance development and the mission and the goals and objectives of the city with regards to the tree ordinance that we needed to come back and address, uh, palms and, and the, the, the, the extent to which we were requiring replacement of an essence shrubs or things that were not trees.
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uh, the area that can be donated, um, for credits there. That was, that was changed from, uh, one half acre to, um, one acre. And so that's a second change there. For instance, you, if you're going to give us, uh,
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dedicate to us or convey to us, uh, land, um, and get credit for that, then it has to be an acre as opposed to the smaller one half acre. So that's a, that's a, another change. And then the appeal, uh, process is the, uh, is the third change.
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[00:40:23] Speaker 7
currently, if there's a granting of waiver from the code that goes to the BOA that would under this, uh, change would go to the P and Z. If it has a monetary, uh, effect, then that would go directly to the city council. And so I think those are the three changes.
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Okay. Before I ask for a motion, uh, on the ordinance itself, please.
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Thank you.
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That will be filled in.
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I got you. Thank you. Just double checking.
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[00:41:08] Speaker 3
Um, on the second page, um, under section 22 B, under the definition of tree, um, it does say that towards the end of what we added. So this is not just what was existing.
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uh, it says it, I believe it should be is.
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Mm-hmm.
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Okay. And that is,
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And ‸ then the
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I believe we need to strike through the, it says waiver and it says, except as
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Okay. Okay.
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That's it. Clarically.
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Thank you.
[00:42:11] Speaker 3
All right. Thank you. So if I could get a motion to, uh, approve or deny, uh, if approved, please, with the changes to the ordinance as requested,
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I'll make a motion. We approve with, uh, the amendment, uh, with the correction to the ordinance, excuse me. Okay. That was, uh, stated in conjunction with the line item correction that you listed throughout.
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All right. I have a motion by Mr. Wheeler.
[00:42:36] Speaker 5
I second it.
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Second by Ms. Stewart. Any further discussion? All in favor?
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Aye.
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Any opposed? All right. ‸ Motion passes. Thank you. On to our last
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[00:43:06] Speaker 11
This proposal involves a land development. Code tax amendment to appendix a article. Five of the code of ordinances. We aim to establish a clear definition for transportation terminal as distinct zoning ‸ designation. This amendment differentiates transportation terminal from truck parking facilities to clarify permitted uses. The
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as a principal permitted use. And as a special reception in the CG district
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in PUDs. So just to give a overall, um, so all we're doing is just adding a definition in our code.
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that will affect actually ‸ affect this definition that are actually included. So we have.
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for areas close to transportation facilities that support local industrial activities.
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And on reducing unnecessary industrial traffic in those zones.
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or areas.
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that
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are not as a
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um, industrial impact. So we try to with this definition, try to, um, clarify and minimize the impact
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transportation impact that can cause, um,
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to serve as a major commercial center intended to meet communities commercial needs is permitted uses
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restrictions are designated to protect nearby residential and non commercial areas from potential conflicts into minimize ‸ traffic disruptions on surrounding roads. And also we have as a special exception for PUDs. So special exception ‸ PUDs allow flexibility for unique uses. There aren't typically permitted provided they meet specific conditions aligned with zoning
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So the staff recommends the definition for transportation terminal and that's what we,
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concluded that would be the best definition that transportation terminal includes both passenger transportation terminals and freight transportation terminals.
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Transportation terminals are
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facilities where passengers
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are assembled and dispersed during transportation. It must include facilities buildings and equipment used for the transportation or movement of people or goods passenger transportation facilities allow passengers to access modes of transportation such as buses, ferries or trains, for example, and include a salary services such as ticketing food
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services. Freight transportation terminal shall include facilities such as births loading base, freight yard storage facilities and warehouses to move and disperse goods.
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is anticipated to assist and attain the following city goals and appears to be consistent with the following side ‸ policies of the comprehensive plan. So for the future land use
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for 1.1 objective 1.1 5 as well as for the transportation elements. We also, um,
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as you can see. So staff concludes that the proposed changes will align with the goal
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So staff recommends that the planning zoning board recommends approval to the city council regarding the proposed land development code amendment to appendix a article 5 of the zoning
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So staff
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define transportation terminals as permitted use of applicable to properties locating
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M1 cumulative zoning district and as a special exception using CG general commercial district and commercial mixed use in PUDs.
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Lucy, would you mind going back to the definition page
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really quickly? Yeah.
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Okay. So we did, and I just want to bring it to the board's attention, we did add another sentence to,
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sentence to the definition which says that facilities used primarily for short-term or long-term parking of vehicles shall not be considered transportation terminals. And that
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the the problem that we have had um with the term transportation terminal in the code without it being defined. um That is, those are the types of applications that the city has has been approached about, is just simply parking of trucks or parking of vehicles. So we wanted to make sure that there was a definition in place that explained what was meant by, or what what the city believes is intended by the term transportation terminal.
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Thank you. Does anyone have
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any questions for staff
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on the board? All right. Close it to the board and open up to the public. Anybody from the public like to speak on this item?
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the, close it to the public. Open it back up to the board. Anybody have any recommendations or further discussion on the item before we make a motion for approval or disapproval, whatever, whatever the board feels is appropriate?
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‸ straightforward. Sounds
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good.
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the amendment to add the definition for transportation terminals. All
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right. The motion was made by mrs Stewart. ‸ second. Second by Mr. Manfredi. ‸ Any further discussion on this item? Excellent. uh so you know, for the discussion? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? All right. Thank you. That motion passes unanimously. All right. We move on to item five. Our tree board. There's nothing in this item. ‸ Does ‸ anybody have anything like to discuss for the tree board? Okay. ‸ I
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think we did
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[00:50:31] Speaker 3
All right. So for other business, I'll say uh ‸ Marine Corps birthdays on Sunday. All right. Veterans Day is the next day after that. We have Thanksgiving coming up. So thank you to staff, council, and everyone. Thank you for the ‸ board ‸ what you guys do. uh ‸ just want to make sure I put that out there. ‸ Congratulations to our new and current mayor, Mr. Michael
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all right. So we'll go on to item seven. Next meeting is uh the first Wednesday ‸ December, December 4th at 6 p.m city hall same place
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please I
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got a question.
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Yes, sir.
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because I'm still somewhat of a rookie at this. What's the difference between planning and zoning and board of adjustment? i good
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question.
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I got, and I just, the reason being,
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beer, too. um And
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you like it.
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And I like, but they don't have a beer license yet, and I, quit I happen to say I was on the plan and zoning board, and I didn't understand everything. So, what's the difference between, what's the board of adjustment and the planning and so Help me out here, because, because
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[00:52:06] Speaker 8
um Well, the ‸ difference is simply that the, the city council has created two different boards to hear different types of land use approvals. So,
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usually site plan approvals and rezoning comprehensive plan. um you're tasked, uh with, with reviewing the comprehensive plan, but for, uh variances, um most waivers, other than what we were discussing tonight about trees. So variances waivers,
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Those are heard by the
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[00:52:49] Speaker 8
um responsibilities under the city code. um that, that's the simple answer. All
[00:52:56] Speaker 4
right. Thank you. I just couldn't answer that question of, of, of a new business. And I felt, um a little stupid, to be quite honest. And, uh and
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[00:53:10] Speaker 4
I just would like to see them succeed.
[00:53:12] Speaker 7
So let me, let me, I don't want to belabor or delay the meeting, but their,
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[00:53:22] Speaker 7
issue or is that?
[00:53:23] Speaker 10 + overlapping voice
That is just as a, as a response to your question about that specific business, that would be an example of, um a type of application, um or request that would go through the board of adjustment. They, they required a special exception for the use of sale of beer and wine. So that did go before the board of adjustment and it was approved. So they are approved for their beer and wine sales and service. um
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And as soon as we get that from the state, we will issue their their business license to sell beer and wine as well as the cigars.
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Okay. So they're waiting on the state for their alcohol
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‸ That's correct. okay
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bit and I just want to be right on the, right on the mark there instead of giving the
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hands
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up
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make
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Stewart.
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Sorry. I've got another.