Cocoa CRA

Cocoa Community Redevelopment Agency Meeting

Date: 2025-08-04
Status: Draft minutes and machine transcript available
Source: CivicClerk event #160

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The City's record

What the City's record shows

Draft minutes printed in the City's agenda packet of 2025-09-09, pp. 5–11; approved with amendments by the Cocoa Community Redevelopment Agency according to the draft minutes of 2025-09-09, whose own approval is recorded in later draft minutes but not yet confirmed in the City's approved minutes; the amendment text is not in these records (the approving motion: “approve the minutes for August 4, 2025 with an amendment on page 3”). The City has not posted the approved minutes. The approving motion, “to approve the minutes for August 4, 2025 with an amendment on page 3”, is in the draft minutes printed for approval in the 2025-10-28 agenda packet (2052_10_27_2025_Agenda_Full.pdf, packet pp. 6–12; minutes p. 2).

Built only from this meeting's draft minutes (1992_September_9_2025_Cocoa_CRA_Meeting_Full_Agenda.pdf, packet pp. 5–11). Page numbers are the minutes' own. Discussion is in the minutes' text; it is not summarised here.

Attendance (the roll call)

Listed present when the roll was taken: Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn, Lorraine Koss, Janne Etz, Candace Rogers
(Checked against the ballots and the printed roll lines; no independent membership list of this board is available to confirm that the roll is complete.)
Listed absent: none (the minutes record no absences)
Also listed as present (staff and other roles): Anthony A. Garganese (City Attorney), Peyton Fink (Recording Secretary)
Named on at least one ballot later in the meeting: Alex Goins, ETZ, Lavander Hearn, Lorraine Koss, Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks, ROGERS (participation, which can differ from the roll: arrivals and departures are in the minutes' text)

Adopted actions (7)

to approve the Agenda for the Regular meeting of August 4, 2025, as written (moved by Patricia Weeks, seconded by Lorraine Koss); PASSED 7-0; ayes: Mike Blake, ETZ, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn, Lorraine Koss, ROGERS, Patricia Weeks; nays: none — the draft minutes, packet pp. 5–11
to approve the Minutes for the Regular meeting of July 7, 2025, with an amendment on page 2 (moved by Patricia Weeks, seconded by ROGERS); PASSED 7-0; ayes: Mike Blake, ETZ, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn, Lorraine Koss, ROGERS, Patricia Weeks; nays: none — the draft minutes, packet pp. 5–11
to approve the FY 2026 Budget with a discussion for Budgetary Policies amended (moved by Mike Blake, seconded by Patricia Weeks); PASSED 7-0; ayes: Mike Blake, ETZ, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn, Lorraine Koss, ROGERS, Patricia Weeks; nays: none — the draft minutes, packet pp. 5–11
to items 1-6 on the budgetary policies checklist to be up for staff direction, non-budgetary misdirection, and further discussion (moved by ROGERS, seconded by Lorraine Koss); PASSED 7-0; ayes: Mike Blake, ETZ, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn, Lorraine Koss, ROGERS, Patricia Weeks; nays: none — the draft minutes, packet pp. 5–11
to later discussion on nightlife and entertainment in the Cocoa Village (moved by ROGERS, seconded by Lorraine Koss); PASSED 7-0; ayes: Mike Blake, ETZ, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn, Lorraine Koss, ROGERS, Patricia Weeks; nays: none — the draft minutes, packet pp. 5–11
to staff to bring back a list of options on how to purchase the 517 Hughlett Avenue property to address affordable housing and infield construction within the CRA (moved by Lavander Hearn, seconded by Mike Blake); PASSED 7-0; ayes: Mike Blake, ETZ, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn, Lorraine Koss, ROGERS, Patricia Weeks; nays: none — the draft minutes, packet pp. 5–11
to adjourn the Regular meeting of August 4, 2025 (moved by Patricia Weeks, seconded by Alex Goins); PASSED 7-0; ayes: Mike Blake, ETZ, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn, Lorraine Koss, ROGERS, Patricia Weeks; nays: none — the draft minutes, packet pp. 5–11

Draft minutes, as printed in a later agenda packet

Source: 1992_September_9_2025_Cocoa_CRA_Meeting_Full_Agenda.pdf, the agenda packet of the 2025-09-09 meeting, packet pp. 5–11; lines 138–418 of the City's text of that file. The packet's own page footers are left out below.

Read the draft minutes

MINUTES 
COCOA CRA 
August 4, 2025 
 
The Regular Meeting of the Cocoa Community Redevelopment Agency was held 
on Monday, August 4, 2025, in Cocoa City Hall, in City Council Chambers, 
located at 65 Stone Street, in Cocoa, Florida, 32922, as publicly noticed. 
 
I.  CALL TO ORDER: 
Chairperson BLAKE called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.   
 
INVOCATION: Agency Member Goins led the assembly in the Invocation.   
 
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE: Nick Herring led the assembly in the Pledge of 
Allegiance.   
 
Chairperson introduced the new Redevelopment Coordinator.  
 
 
 PRESENT:  Michael C. Blake  Chairperson  
Patricia Weeks  Vice Chairperson 
Alex Goins   Agency Member 
Lavander Hearn  Agency Member  
Lorraine Koss  Agency Member 
Janne Etz   Agency Member 
Candace Rogers   Agency Member 
    Anthony Garganese  City Attorney 
    Peyton Fink   Recording Secretary 
 
 ABSENT: None    
 
  
OTHER STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT: 
 


City Manager, Stockton Whitten, and Community Services Director, Charlene 
Neuterman were in attendance.  
II. Approval of Agenda and Minutes: 
Agenda: Regular Meeting held on August 4, 2025, either as written or with 
amendments. 
 
 
* MOTION by Vice Chairpersons Weeks; Seconded by Agency member Koss to 
approve the Agenda for the Regular meeting of August 4, 2025, as written.  
 
 THE VOTE ON THE MOTION WAS: 
 
 AYES: BLAKE, ETZ, GOINS, HEARN, KOSS, ROGERS, WEEKS. 
 THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY (7-0) 
 
Minutes: Regular Meeting held on July 7, 2025, either as written or with 
amendments.   
 
* MOTION by Vice Chairperson WEEKS; Seconded by Agency Member 
ROGERS to approve the Minutes for the Regular meeting of July 7, 2025, with 
an amendment on page 2.  
 
 THE VOTE ON THE MOTION WAS: 
 
 AYES: BLAKE, ETZ, GOINS, HEARN, KOSS, ROGERS, WEEKS. 
 THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY (7-0) 
III. DELEGATIONS: None  
IV. PRESENTATIONS: None 
V.  ACTION ITEMS: 
1. Staff are requesting the Agency approve the FY 2026 Budget.  
 
Director Neuterman began by discussing the action item and giving details 
regarding what it entails. After the budgetary information was given, the 
Chairperson voiced his concerns about hurricanes and what would happen if we 
were to be hit by a storm that causes damage that we are not expecting. He wants 
to make sure there is a reserved fund. Director Neuterman replied to this by 


explaining that in such an incident a lot of funding would actually come from the 
general fund not through the CRA because it would be a FEMA expense. She also 
stated that future projects would be budgeted accordingly based on the fiscal year 
we are in. Agency member Rogers then asked if FEMA would assist with future 
funding. Director Neuterman responded by sharing that though there have been 
discussions regarding different funding, there is no guarantee for anything at this 
point. 
 
Agency Member Rogers has six items she would like to discuss which includes the 
following: 1. Transit Micro Shuttle (two 8 passenger golf carts) in conjunction with 
S.C.A.T., 2. Pump Out through the Clean Vessel Act, 3. Dock the C.O.P.D. marine 
boat at Lee Wenner Park, 4. Strategic Monitored Camera through the Safe 
Program Grant, 5. Add a lock and tow system in LWP, and 6.Request the city 
council a moratorium on parking variances and bars for months. She starts off by 
making a motion for discussion which is seconded by Agency Member Koss. 
Agency Member Rogers begins reading off each item on the checklist (Which will 
be attached to these minutes). After all of the items on the list have been 
discussed, Chairperson Blake opens the floor up to the board members so they 
can ask questions. The first to ask a question is Vice Chairperson Weeks who 
wants clarification from Agency Member Rogers about what items from the list she 
wants addressed. Agency member Rogers responds by going through the items 
on her list again in detail. There is a conversation between Agency member 
Rogers, Agency member Etz, and Vice Chairperson Weeks regarding item five 
and how it affects people who are employed in the village that work after hours. 
After much discussion Agency member Rogers clarifies item five and states that 
exceptions can be made for people whether they are employees or even 
commercial fisherman, she wants the lock and tow system to apply towards the 
individuals who camp and sit in parking spaces. The Vice chairperson is in favor 
of some items on this list and against others. She feels that item 6 in particular can 
be harmful to businesses. Which she explains to Agency member Goins by stating 
that business owner waivers are given out so if someone new comes in and sees 
that they will not receive parking, they may choose not to do business here. The 
Vice Chairperson and Agency Member Etz then discussed parking within the 
Cocoa Village and how it is impacted by the layout of the area. Vice Chairperson 
Weeks still believes that this would affect businesses by not having a variance to 
parking and it will make the City look unfriendly. She would like to see the CRA 
and/or the city acquire some of the empty spots to improve parking as it could 
prove beneficial.  
  
Agency Member Rogers does not believe that the current laws regarding parking 
represent us, and her reasoning for looking into the mortarium was to take another 
look at space and zoning laws in case they need to be updated. Vice Chairperson 
Weeks pointed out that these changes take time, she then reiterated that this item 
will scare off businesses. Agency Member Rogers then shared a story about 
someone in the village who came in and asked for waivers as well as variances 
but there ended up being some issues, they got approved for a lot of what they 


were requesting but there was an issue as they could only serve wine or beer if 
they had a special event. So, they came back to appeal, which was costly for them. 
Due to a situation like this occurring, Agency Member Rogers believes this is 
something that needs to be addressed.  
 
The City Manager then addressed the items on the list provided by Agency 
Member Rogers and explained that there are multiple items that can be removed 
because they are either not attainable at the moment, or they are already taking 
place. He is also unsure of whether or not S.C.A.T. would work with us on item 
one.  
 
Agency Member Goins wonders if we could just take S.C.A.T. off and buy the golf 
carts. To which Chairperson Blake interjects by stating that he would vote no right 
now as a whole. He would like to hear more from staff and come back to 
collaborate with Director Neuterman and the City Manager. Agency Member Goins 
notes that there may be benefits to being in conjunction with S.C.A.T. but wonders 
what is in it for them. He then gave an example of another city with a similar idea, 
but they used QR to charge for rides. He also wonders where it would be stored, 
who would drive it, and how much would it cost without S.C.A.T. being involved. 
Agency Member Rogers replied by saying that she understands his concerns, but 
she believes this would be a good way to ease into micro transportation. She says 
we could use a QR code, but overall, this could make it easier for people who don’t 
want to look for a parking spot, or for people who do not want to walk miles around 
the village. Agency Member Goins stated that he does like the idea and goes on 
to mention that we need to begin having conversations on nightlife as it is growing 
within the village. He then asks the City Manager about his thoughts of having a 
conversation regarding where we are going with nightlife. The City Manager 
expressed his concern with being careful about what projects we choose to invest 
in during this time. He does not believe we will get anything from S.C.A.T. He 
believes that nightlife is a good discussion to have, and reports can be brought 
back to the board to take a deeper look at these issues. Agency Member Goins 
then asks if we can add a nightlife CRA meeting to the item.   
 
Agency Member Hearn shares his perspective on nightlife, and he gave some 
ideas based on how other places deal with it. He noted that he travels frequently, 
and he sees a lot of cities using landscaping to block out some of the bad parts of 
nightlife such as excessive noise. This is also a way to improve some of the 
greenery around the Village. He also shared an item on his wish list which is to 
look at rolling over leftover funds from this year to look at purchasing the 517 
Avenue property for a project.  
 
Agency Member Koss wondered if the signage for the lock in tow system would be 
purchased by the CRA, which Director Neuterman answered by pointing out that 
the signage is something that Public Works would be responsible for. Agency 
Member Koss and the City Manager then began to discuss item five on the list, 
with the City Manager stating that there really are not a whole lot of public places 


for parking so he does not know why this would not be a private matter. He goes 
on to say that we do close the gate to Lee Wenner Park and there are signs for no 
overnight parking but there are always bad actors who do not follow the rules. 
Agency Members Koss and Rogers have a discussion on what the motion should 
be, and Agency Member Rogers begins going through the list and seeing what 
items are still up for further discussion. It is decided that item six on the budget 
priority list will change to address the conversation on entertainment.  
 
Chairperson Blake then asks for direction from City Attorney Garganese. Who 
states that procedurally this discussion might be an issue and suggest that the 
board addresses the agenda item (The Budget) and the wish list for comeback 
items should be a separate motion. Since the wish list is amended to the original 
motion to approve the budget, he suggests that they break it apart. Chairperson 
Blake makes motion to approve the action item which is seconded by Vice 
Chairperson Weeks. Agency Member Rogers then makes a motion that items 1-6 
on the checklist will be up for staff direction, non-budgetary misdirection, and 
further discussion. This motion is seconded by Agency Member Koss. Items 3-6 
are administrative, and this will include a discussion on entertainment. The motion 
passes unanimously (7-0). After the vote, Agency Member Etz commented that as 
far as the micro transportation issue, she does not know anyone who does not 
think this is a good idea. The Agency Member goes on to state that the moratorium 
needs to be really looked at. She ends her comments by agreeing with Agency 
Member Hearn’s statement on the landscaping and stating that it is something she 
would like to look into. 
 
Agency Member Hearns makes a motion for staff to bring back a list of options on 
how to purchase the 517 Hughlett Avenue property to address affordable housing 
and infield construction within the CRA. Chairperson Blake seconds this for 
discussion. Agency Member Goins asks if the City Manager could make an offer 
for the property, which the City Manager responds to by stating that the property 
costs close to $1 million, but he can ask the owner for the price again. The property 
is 1.63 acres; it was purchased for $635,000 in 2022. Agency Member Hearn 
would like to hear about negotiating options for the property as well as any creative 
tools that are available to potentially make the purchase happen. 
 
The City Manager also weighed in on the discussion of micro transportation by 
sharing that he and Director Neuterman have looked at options for moving people 
around the village so there is no problem with looking at the golf carts, but again 
staffing will be an issue. Staff reports will be brought back for either CRA or Council 
discussion. Information regarding what is open in the village after a certain period, 
what the codes currently allow, and the noise ordinance will be provided as well.   
 
* MOTION by Chairperson Blake; Seconded by Vice Chairperson Weeks 
approve the FY 2026 Budget with a discussion for Budgetary Policies 
amended. 
 


 AYES: BLAKE, ETZ, GOINS, HEARN, KOSS, ROGERS, WEEKS.  
 NAYS: None 
 THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY (7-0) 
* MOTION by Agency Member ROGERS; Seconded by Agency Member KOSS 
for items 1-6 on the budgetary policies checklist to be up for staff direction, 
non-budgetary misdirection, and further discussion. 
 AYES: BLAKE, ETZ, GOINS, HEARN, KOSS, ROGERS, WEEKS. 
 NAYS: None 
 THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY (7-0) 
* MOTION by Agency Member ROGERS; Seconded by Agency Member KOSS 
for a later discussion on nightlife and entertainment in the Cocoa Village. 
 AYES: BLAKE, ETZ, GOINS, HEARN, KOSS, ROGERS, WEEKS. 
 NAYS: None 
 THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY (7-0) 
* MOTION by Agency Member HEARN; Seconded by Chairperson BLAKE for 
staff to bring back a list of options on how to purchase the 517 Hughlett 
Avenue property to address affordable housing and infield construction 
within the CRA.  
 AYES: BLAKE, ETZ, GOINS, HEARN, KOSS, ROGERS, WEEKS. 
 NAYS: None 
 THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY (7-0) 
VI.  ATTORNEY REPORT: None  
VII.   UPDATES AND STAFF REPORTS: 
- Director Neuterman shared that registration for the FRA Conference is now open 
and asked for a show of hands of who is available to attend. the Agency members 
who would like to attend are Blake, Weeks, and Rogers.  
- Director Neuterman also shared an update on Lee Winter Park. Lights are in and 
several light heads are going in tomorrow. Lights will all be installed by the end of 
this week. She is anticipating a final walkthrough with the contractors on August 
19th. It will be ready to open at the end of the month/early September. We cannot 


have a reopen ceremony just yet because we do not have the docks ready, so a 
reopen ceremony may happen at a different time. Businesses will be notified once 
we have a firm date.          
VIII.  NEXT MEETING DATE: 
Monday, September 8, 2025, at 6:00 pm in the Council Chambers located in Cocoa 
City Hall, 65 Stone Street, Cocoa, Florida.  
 
IX.  ADJOURNMENT: 
 
* MOTION by Vice Chairperson WEEKS; Seconded by Agency Member GOINS 
to adjourn the Regular meeting of August 4, 2025. 
 AYES: BLAKE, ETZ, GOINS, HEARN, KOSS, ROGERS, WEEKS. 
 THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY (7-0) 
 The meeting adjourned at 7:05 p.m. 
 ________________________________ 
       Michael C. Blake, Chairperson 
 Respectfully Submitted by:  
  ______________________________ 
 Peyton Fink, Recording Secretary

Agenda (the City's wording)

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I. CALL TO ORDER

1. Invocation
2. Pledge of Allegiance
3. Roll Call

II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA AND MINUTES

1. Agenda: Regular Meeting of August 4, 2025.
2. Minutes: Regular Meeting of July 7, 2025.

III. DELEGATIONS

IV. PRESENTATIONS

V. ACTION ITEMS

1. Approve the Proposed Budget for FY 2026

VI. ATTORNEY’S REPORT

VII. UPDATES AND STAFF REPORTS

VIII. NEXT MEETING DATE- September 8, 2025 at 6:00 P.M.

IX. ADJOURNMENT

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Hey, Paisano. What's up, City? Paisano? Okay, you're the last four letters

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All right. Let me get my glasses out, man. That would help immensely.

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Doesn't your watch have to come on?

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Agency. It is August the 4th, 2025. Location 65th Stone Street. Beautiful downtown Cocoa, Florida. Home of the state champions, Super Bowl champions, and any other champion that you can think of. ‸ All righty. We would like to have

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Please come to the podium. After that, we will

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that order. We have a newbie on the team, Peyton Fink. Mike Fink. You're going to learn something about that, young man. I'll talk to you later about that. Mr. Herring, sir.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Hoorah! May we do ‸ invocation, please? Remain standing.

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Thank you for another day of life, health, and strength. Thank you for allowing us to be in this meeting that we make sound

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Bless all of our homes as we are here tonight and away from our homes. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen.

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Amen. We have a new kid on the block. He is greener than a shamrock. But it's a pleasure

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Thank you.

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Yes, sir. Mr. Peyton Fink. He is a redevelopment coordinator. So if you wouldn't mind, young man, please give us roll call, sir.

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Chairperson Blake. Present, sir. Vice Chairperson Weeks.

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Okay. Do we have quorum, young man? Yes. Okay. Very good, sir. Very well. I'm very proud to hear that.

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Hey, hey, come on, man. It's just like first day for teachers, man.

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2025. What are the wishes of the agency? Move to approve. ‸ Motion on

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Second.

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call the question. All in favor by saying aye.

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Aye. Aye.

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Aye's have it unanimously. Proceeding on to minutes. Regular meeting of the COCO CRA held Monday, July 7, 2025. What are the wishes of the agency? Move to approve. We have a motion on the floor by Vice Chairperson or Vice Chair Lady or Woman Weeks. And I'm looking for a second. Second. Second by agency member...

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Rogers.

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Okay, without the red light. Okay, agency member Rogers. Thank you, ma'am.

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All in favor by saying aye.

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Aye.

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All right. And

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have it unanimously. Okay, proceeding on

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delegations. Do

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No, sir. No cards.

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Fantastic. Our only item for tonight, ‸ action item. Approve the proposed budget for 2026.

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you, Mrs.

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first, and then I will hear from one of our agency members.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So tonight, you're going to approve the proposed budget for the fiscal year 2026, which consists of the following. We have a projected revenue of $2,107,836. Of that, about $95,000 will be for salaries. Operating expenses is currently budgeted at $1,698,438. $1,5 million of that is reserved

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contingency for the potential fine grant award that we are expecting to receive in September. ‸ And so once we get that, we will actually book it into the actual expenditure account that it's going to go into. We, of course, have

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And then

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is $150,000. The contingency line item does have $132,000 that can be utilized for projects that meet the CRA plan goals. And any additional funds that are not utilized in FY25 will be moved to fund balance to be made available for any new projects that could be approved in fiscal year 26.

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2026.

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Okay. Now, you alluded to make sure that I comprehend you correctly and understood you correctly, Mrs. Noodleman.

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Potentially in the contingency line item that has not been utilized for any of the other projects that are currently in there that we can be used, that can be used for any of the CRA plan goals and objectives.

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Now, I'm just being honest and I'm being a realist. I know we're at one of the pinnacle points right now during hurricane season. And we've all dealt with the repercussions of various storms to travel up and down our waterways, the Indian River.

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the norm happens ‸ to us like we experienced a year or so ago, two years ago, when the docks were decimated by the storm and the pitch of

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I'm just trying to make sure we have a

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a lot of that would be funded through the general funds, not through the CRA for any damage that is incurred.

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FEMA for any kind of damage that was incurred. And then any future projects would be budgeted accordingly based on the fiscal year ‸ that we're in. So the 132 would not be able to be set aside for potential hurricane damage in that respect. It would have to be an actual project that is in the CRA plan.

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Who beans, ma'am. Thank you for the point of clarifications. Um, is there any questions for Mrs. Noodle? I just have one. Yes, ma'am.

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be doing in the future?

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beyond, I mean, I don't think we've asked for that. Have we?

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We are in negotiations with FEMA for a lot of different, um, funding ‸ right now. And there's no guarantee for anything at this point, but there, there has been discussions on mitigation ‸ aspects on how to do that.

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Good. Okay.

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Okay.

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Um,

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I know this is a public item. Do I need to hear from the public? Nick, do you want to say anything?

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I'm good.

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Okay. Wood.

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I'm fine.

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Okay. Madam, uh, agency member Rogers, ma'am. The floor is yours. Yes. Thank you.

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Back in August of 24, we were asked for budget priorities, and so I want to track back to that and like to make a motion with some discussion. I

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Thank you.

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Actually, the top two would have been transit micro shuttle where we can either get two, eight

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on the pre-owned market. But Bartow did theirs and they spent

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for it.

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county transportation. So ours would be SCAT. So if we could, and I believe we may be working on that already, but I wanted to make sure that it's in the record, that we are going for that. Because if we have that, that will help relieve some of the issues we have with the lack of parking because all our parking right now is going to be on the perimeter. So when they say it's, you know, 94, which that's not good, it's actually 104 because of the feel like and the humidity. So if we could get that out, we've got time.

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We can shuttle people. I think they'll stay here longer knowing that they don't have to walk and keep walking. So I think it's a really a big plus plus and we can make a big deal out of it. Number two, this is also a very simple things just filling out the Clean Vessel Act for the pump out. We have

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sewer line in place, so it's not going to be expensive. It's all budget, very easy budget here. uh The docks, whenever they get in place,

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over there to the park. We need their presence there. I think it would help. um The monitored cameras, I don't think any of the cameras we have are monitored at some point in time. um I would like to have the strategically have some of those being monitored because just watching after the fact doesn't really do us any good. And

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but be as it may. Then number five is just a

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system.

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30 when they're closing down their businesses. But anything beyond that, I say you lock it.

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two years and not having anybody towed out of there tells you that we need something that can be enforced. And that would be enforceable. And I think that uh that would be not at our cost. I think that's a private situation. um

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have a moratorium on parking variances and for bars in the next six months or so till we can look at our entertainment ordinances To try to control what's going on here at night. So that is all. And if anybody would like to discuss. oh

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‸ did you ‸ that was a motion to. Yeah, the

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motion was to. this in this year's

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budget.

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Yeah, the first two because those are the only two that really. Okay,

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and I'll second that. Okay. Okay,

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we have lights on.

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want one and two. Those are the two.

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all six of those?

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Have to have money.

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what cameras if any are monitored, but there is a grant program for that. So maybe we could strategically pick out the cameras that are pointed out to the parking lot or wherever. uh The lock and toe system. I think that is actually done by a private.

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Where are you talking about the lot You said parking in there.

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what area.

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beyond like the 12 30 at night or 1 a.m nobody should be in there because uh people have already closed up basically i think

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that that they're along the side there.

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That's what I wondered if we

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would adjust for that timing. But beyond that, if you're just sitting there camping.

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we have camping going on in the streets, ‸ I just want to bring that up. um we need to address that also. So camping, whether it's in the park or on the street really needs to be that loophole needs to be tied up.

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Okay. uh i I just want a clarification on that because I, when you said that I'm going, what's the time, you know, and ‸ my thought it was the people who work at Ryan or

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don't

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No, I know but the but you

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don't want them

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Right, but then I don't want that happening to employees.

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your fishermen? Remember we didn't take all theirs so we have to keep them in mind too as ‸ well. ‸ Because they may do commercialization during the night.

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They're commercially fishing?

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Yes ma'am.

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‸ we can adjust for everything.

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Right. Well I'm just asking you to take that in consideration.

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I'm not trying to impinge on anybody's uh enjoyment of the park or their um the

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park Right. They parked the vehicles there. I mean I've been there. You know

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But there's like a trailer or something. You know

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there and park and get on the boat and ride with somebody else. That happens too. Yep.

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And I will say my husband who plays drums at the village playhouse parked in the wrong spot one time and boom he got you know he came out from his you know the late performance and his vehicle was was towed. um So you got to be careful about that kind of

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them under the gun but the radar

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parking there. And I understand there are some negotiations. So we'll just leave it like that. Well anyway

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Well no they

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just sleeping. They had their fire

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care of. Not necessarily automatically

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pay because those guys do not. I mean you have to pay. And it's cash in the middle of the night. So it's not a fun thing to deal with. yeah So I would not be in favor of of that particular piece. I i do like. a number of order. Point of boredom so That's okay. No no. Quite all right. uh I i do like the golf cart thing um and um your your pump out thing it sounds like a lovely idea. um And uh

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um And i somebody else will have to explain whether or not the cameras are monitored or whatever. um I'm against a parking moratorium because any um on variances and that stuff because we're going to put ourselves where nobody wants to put businesses or even come to us to try and put uh businesses in again. But that's my personal opinion. So anyway, that's

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moratorium of parking.

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because uh

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come in and put a business, we've given we've given waivers to a lot of a lot of companies or a lot of businesses. And we do have empty spots. And if somebody wants to uh come in and they uh know right out of the gate that they are that they have no chance, you're going to really limit. ‸ I mean, anything from a shopping, from a store to anything, nobody's going to want to come in if they are not going to get some sort of a variance. Because there's no parking, parking lots that go with any of the properties that are sitting there vacant. So who's going to come in there with a business? Their employees won't have a place to park? Nothing. So we're we're shooting ourselves in the foot by doing

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you want to give a variance to a business coming in, what just a opening or somebody building? because there's There's certain, there's in the in the central business district, there's certain allowances already. Because my

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store? it's I'm like way the hell back in the corner. and Unless we put parking on the roof or in the courtyard. right So you have ‸ already,

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right but

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it's but it's not a variance for me. it's It's the way the central business district is laid out. I'm just curious if you're talking about a business just coming into an empty building or if someone that's

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building. For me, it's it's more the empty building sitting there that you're not. Nobody wants to, unless they know that they aren't going to have. uh Why would you come in or even attempt to come in if you're not, if you're going to have to make some allowance or that they aren't going to get a variance for parking. I don't know if there's already one in place for all of those.

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‸ certain amount of

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the streets.

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but it's the main the main area of streets, uh Delanoi and Brevard and Oleander. And and the those businesses are not required, like a business over on Clear Lake or a business on

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they're not required to have X number of parking spaces per square foot because of the way the village is laid out. Right. um I think that

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if somebody's going to come in and build and you're going to tell them, okay, you don't have to put in parking for that too,

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already there. That doesn't work for me.

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Well, ‸ depends again on what they're, I would want to see their plan and see what's what, but to put a moratorium,

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Yeah. Yeah. And it's gonna ‸ you know, I think long term that that would hurt us. Every time they put in a moratorium on something, anybody who's thinking of coming in and building something's gonna ‸ go, well, they're not business friendly. I'm going elsewhere.

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I just like to see the city and or the CRA be able to acquire some of the empty spots to make parking before we

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worry

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about other businesses building next to parking. I i just think that parking in general benefits everybody as opposed to a specific business. Yeah.

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well and And I have made suggestions on some of the places, but

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issue.

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The compromise from the hotel will help us, ‸ the 500 000 will help us find some places to squeeze in. It's not much. When you

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have a zoning,

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of business. maybe based off their square footage. I mean, what I'm saying is you're trying to do something that isn't allowed already. The only reason I'm thinking about doing a moratorium is to re-look at our zoning, rules that we have or laws right right now, uh and seeing how things have changed. In the village, um everything from empty parking lots, whether private or public. Security at night. There's a lot of things that if you look at our, um our laws that we have right now, they don't really address it. And so a law is only as good as what you want it to achieve. So

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so on and so forth, then that's what you may have to then update and do. I know that when the beer garden came in, those were all supposed to be

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Well

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now they all have walls and doors.

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It's open and it was supposed to and So things changed and

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there was never any parking. That went that was a variance.

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to They didn't have to have parking to put

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But ‸ you see how long it takes the process from somebody even looking at the property to do something? Look how long we've waited for hotels, for all of this stuff. right You start putting more of this and we are just gonna ‸ scare them off.

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Perhaps instead of declaring a moratorium, just let's make a promise to ourselves that we'll look into what we've got and how things have changed and what we need.

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I thought that's what we did with everyone that comes. That we look at it, each one. That's standard policy. that's that's it Yeah, that's city stuff. i'm just i'm

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well, but here's what I'm saying. We had an incident where somebody came in and asked for waivers and variances and so on and so forth. And then the neighborhood got very upset because it violated what they thought was their neighborhood peace and quiet and so on and so forth.

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asking. I don't know which one you're talking

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it was

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and They wanted waivers. uh They wanted variances. and They thought that the empty 603 lot where the hotel was was an empty lot that they could park on.

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and

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They didn't really have any idea of what they were asking for. And the neighbors were very upset. uh They didn't want it. um So, long end of it was that they had, they got approved

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a lot of it, but the main thing was ‸ they could only serve beer and wine

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So then they had to come back and appeal. And that was a very costly thing for them.

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to be taken lightly. And so I think that if we have that going on, we should really look at our ordinances. You don't have to do a moratorium, but

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at it and see, is it matching up with what the intent of where we want to go in the future? Otherwise, why would you have somebody coming in and doing that? All these codes and waivers and so on and so forth.

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But

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but i think I think, go ahead. I know you'll finish Yeah,

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can I hear from this? You finish i finished. Okay. Can I hear from you, city manager or

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Charlene?

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on You got six of them on here. the The cameras I'm going to take off for you.

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The mic.

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Yeah, you got, you have six items on here. So I always feel like I'm the the Grinch.

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let's We bring you the cameras as we uh as we uh bring them online there. I can tell you that uh

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at a Riverfront Park. I can tell you how many people are actually still at the uh splash pad at Riverfront Park. And that's just me as the city manager. uh So so have no fear that the cameras are are uh they're monitored. So so so so take that take that off there. and i you can You can look with me if you want to. but i get that on my I can get that on my

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real time

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yeah so So that one is uh ‸ easy enough. um

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I don't know where you would dock the marine boat at at Lee Winter. Because our our day slips are down right now. And ‸ the

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are down right now.

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stuff there. And so, so so that's easy enough.

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um That's not a really a cost to that. That is, the police department will actually weigh in on where they think it's best to to dock the boat there. So, so we can

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can take that one off. um

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that's three off

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The lock and toe is a private company. Right. So that's not,

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say no overnight parking, and then it would be the towing company would be responsible for for doing that.

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variances, ‸ remember we've talked parking variances uh with the hotel, and so we do, I think agency member Weeks said this, we do we do kind of view those on a case-by-case basis. I

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I think I sent to you guys an article where there are some cities, more than a number of cities, that are actually doing away with parking requirements. And so, and so but that's a policy uh matter for for either the

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uh or the city council.

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Pump out station. You know, wouldn't, the timing of the pump out station, the timing, the cost, when you get a fully functioning

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can come back into that discussion. um um and ‸ then ‸ on the, on the golf carts,

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Wood.

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You know, um Just who drives

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I don't know that SCAT would participate in that at all. um certainly golf carts there. um so yeah, those are my comments, Mr. Chairman.

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Yes, sir. Thank you. So what are we down to now? Our vice chairperson weeks, ma'am. We have what, two, two left? The top two? Yep. Is that the top two?

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No, no. Top two was pump out and he just said that's for later. And so it's the, the golf carts.

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conjunction with SCAT.

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to do, is we control that. Right.

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Exactly. Yep. So

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would buy the golf carts. Yeah, well that's what ‸ my next question is probably going to be.

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for the live Right, that's what I'm just telling you.

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‸ that's That's.

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I'd rather be economically sound in reference of, you know, we can

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get an agreement. That's

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why it goes with

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But for me

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right now to make

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concrete effort, I would be voting no on the motion. I'm just being honest

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one and two? Well, I'm just saying as a whole because I want to

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because ‸ as we look at the future, the future is going to change. Why? Because now we're getting ready to have more foot patrol in the downtown area. Yes, I want to be progressive and assertive, but then again, I want to maintain

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ambiance of a a healthy environment so that people do want to stay, pray, and work in the downtown area. As we develop the north by northwest area so that it's

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new horizon. But to me right now, I don't want to make a hardcore decision. I'm not kicking the can down the road, but

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I really want to see,

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because there's something that I might be missing as an entrepreneur that uh I'm listening to a

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I'm listening to Nick. I'm gonna ‸ get my legal advice from Anthony Garganese, and then I'm here from the city manager and staff. So, I mean, I like the concept. Don't get me wrong, ma'am. I'm just not ready to make a decision right now. That's the only thing I'm saying to you. That's my assessment because she makes some very, very valid points there, meaning uh vice chair, agency member ‸ Weeks. So, that's, i I mean, I want that business. I promote that business. I endorse that business with open arms. I mean, Councilman

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agency member

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you're an entrepreneur too as well. So, I know you comprehend it to the fullest. and and And I think, you know, just like agency member X, you guys have a lot of skin in the game. A lot of skin in

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So, that's the reason why I'm just telling you up front, my answer would be no. Come back and collaborate with uh Mrs. uh Noodleman, the city manager, because this is my first time hearing about it. And before, you know, haste makes waste. And I'm not, I'm not

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decision on this. Now, this

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is only Michael's assessment. There are six other opinions. That's all I'm saying.

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Okay. council uh

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an agency member her and Then agency member

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I'm

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just gonna ‸ make an assumption. uh Agency member Rogers, I think, I understand why you want to do the conjunction with

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because it take maybe some of the liability and also some of the expenses away. But I i guess, but my question would be for you know with SCAT probably, what's the what's in it what would be in it for for them to partner with us just to have golf carts and just inside of

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Village? That would be my question. What if we don't like I went to Tampa and they have this um entertainment village in Tampa and we got on a golf cart. It was probably eight to

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people, but

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think it was like five bucks to go maybe a mile or so. And they took the people. So

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if SCAT chooses to do something like this. And then on the flip side, if SCAT is not a part of this, um ‸ the cost on the carts, who drives the carts, ‸ that's leisure services. um And also

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I think

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maybe come up with a, if that's an

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idea,

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and I think it's a great idea, where are the carts, or where they park And are they

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do we have like a shed or some sort of a garage for them or something to keep them out of the weather? um

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Yeah. So ‸ those are a few of the, just for number one. Okay.

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Well, I understand that. And that was part of uh our plan going forward is to start looking at micro transportation in our uh plans going forward. So this would be a way to ease into it, see what happens. I think the county could learn a lot from ‸ this. And if it is successful, then we can start expanding it. There's different, I say golf cart but there's so many different types of vehicles. um

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like to keep it small so we can kind of see where we're going with it, how it's working, how it's moving people, especially during the art, festivals. We could maybe go further out and utilize, uh maybe the county's employees for the library. That it's usually vacant or even the parking lot. Like

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just to make it visible and make it where people ‸ want to come down here and not say, I don't want to be driving around looking for a parking space, or I don't want to walk 300 and something steps

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And I will, because I know I can get on a cart and go from one end to the other. Instead of saying I'm just too tired, I don't want to do that and leave.

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got some pluses to it. It puts us in going into what we ‸ said we would like to do with maybe micro transportation, no parking lots. I

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So I just i like i like the idea. I just had just some just a few questions on it. And the next one I had, I know, um so the bottom one dealing with the variances and people coming in for waivers. um and Also, I heard about where the village is going. I think we all, we all the nightlife conversation, um all these different things. if If we do not have these tough discussions, um we're going to be headed for a world of trouble because it's a lot of, um I don't know about

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And I think a lot of times the emails are coming because of, um it could be a lot of lack of knowledge, lack of understanding on what the rules are. um And and and also we we really haven't had that uh

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is is, it's moving down here. I don't think it's bad. um because I come down here quite a bit, you know, so

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but, but I still believe that having this conversation is worthy. So, um what ‸ city manager as far as ‸ that part, I know, I know i

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um what's your thoughts on having some sort of a conversation, um regarding where we're going as far as nightlife? Yeah,

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I'm, I'm, I'm, ‸ fine with all of it. I think, ‸ let me, let me just be candid. I mean, in in the day and age of Doge, ‸ you guys have to be careful about, uh the initiatives, the projects that you pick. um we, we just complied with the state's request to give them our budget information, which

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21st.

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um and so, uh

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you. So you're not

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it. I'm telling you stuff that I know from 23 years over there with the county. The county is actually,

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talking about uh safety improvement to roads that they did or didn't want us to make. And they'd allow us to make it if we took over the maintenance of the roads, you know. And so and so so they're squeezing down, too. But we can bring your reports on all of this.

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um Because, again, the the parking variances are have been on a case-by-case basis or as the projects come up

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uh And so, you know, the nightlife, all of those are are uh good discussions. um We can tell you what's permissible in code right now. And so we can have all of those discussions there. I think, obviously, uh as opposed to a sort of in the moment discussion of it, we

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bring you the reports back. And then you guys can take a a deeper look at all of these issues, if you

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about We don't have a whole lot of businesses that stay open to

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o'clock,

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um But if we choose not to have the conversation, what happens

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And so i just I'm pretty sure everybody probably seen a lot of it, too. Yeah, just be just be in front of it. Again,

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we can't please everybody you know at the end of the day. but But I think not having a conversation is also not good, either. so um I don't know if that's a just a CRA meeting where we make that a topic and probably the community will come where we don't have to add add a night nightlife meeting. But maybe maybe a CRA meeting where we just, hey, this is a nightlife CRA meeting. and that's the ‸ And that's the item. We talk about it. We vent whatever we need to do. And yeah, because yeah but that's that's really all I had on that. so but

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um But I think it's a lot of just a lot of questions on what's next

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drove the conversation right to what i my points that I wanted to make. um i Since we were just on that conversation recently, I harp in on that. I think in regards to the nightlife, um something that this board of committee could think about is ways to coexist with the nightlife. um i'm I think I'm still in that age group where I enjoy the nightlife a lot more than maybe others. You called us old?

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And some of the things I've been seeing in some of the downtown areas, I travel, Ocala. um I was recently, uh oh where was I recently?

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nightlife uh utilizing landscaping. They plant more trees. They have uh to kind of block out some of the sounds from traveling throughout the area. So I think if we can look at it, a way that we can improve some of the green, um the greenery in the in the village to uh kind of naturally block out some noise and and other nuisance from that uh aspect,

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would be helpful. And that's all I'm going to say on that topic. I'm sure we're going to have future conversations. But I just want to put that on

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my wish

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is, uh one of the items on my wish list, as uh the city manager spoke of, Doge and all that, uh we know our CDAs are under scrutiny scrutiny recently. um So we want to be very cautious of what, how we utilize our funds and knowing that our consent decree,

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pushes us to, support infield housing and affordable housing. I would like for us to look at, you know, maybe rolling over any leftover funds from this year to support the purchase of the 517

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if I'm correct,

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um you know, of course we want more foot, foot traffic here, but we want people to, oh yeah to be able to, live here as well, to enjoy some of the sceneries. uh that we're offering in the village. um so I think that would be a good use of our funds. um I know when we see luck we see money in the pot, you know we want to spend it, but if there's some kind of way we can be ‸ conservative and uh support such an important uh goal of ours, so that's it.

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Thank you very much, uh

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we talked about the strategic, not the cameras, about the lock and toe system. You said there was signage, but that was not something that the CRA would be purchasing or? Public

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Works provides those signs.

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So, okay, so that's that's a minor thing. So that's kind of uh

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is number five still up for play? Or is number five another ‸ future discussion item?

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If you, what's number five? It's just

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Just

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so people aren't sleeping overnight, parking lot, camping.

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but.

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Yeah, yeah, the, the, so we, we have this lot.

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which closes at, uh at dust. We do,

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for the businesses there. So that, that closes

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that does

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uh we're going

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have the West Oleander parking lot. And so we don't have very many public places, uh for parking.

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associated with, are we saying if you park on the street, we're going to put a time limit on that and, and we're going to lock and toe with.

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it's just, it's ‸ Lee Winter

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actually do close the gate at Lee Winter Park, certain, certain time of night.

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So we don't have people overnight there?

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No, I mean, they're, obviously they're always bad actors, but, but, but we do have the no overnight parking signs, I think, in there now. um and so let me just check with the,

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that's in force the

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police department where we are.

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We do, we do have a motion in a second on the floor. And given all this discussion, we,

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about getting reports back on several items. Can we make a motion amend your motion to that effect?

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Okay to get reports on them instead of make them budget items. oh

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yeah um so I make a motion that the uh items that we have discussed, uh

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we start uh having investigations on what that would look like, like for like number one. Number two, that's just uh filing for a grant. So you might just, that would be a scheduling. um Administrative for the police department, do they want to bring the boats over after the,

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and

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I did not know we already had some monitor cameras to take that off. And the other

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can look into and see if if it's manageable. So

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if you're modifying your amendment would it be for reports on one and two just to make sure that we give this direction and these conversations happen?

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Yeah.

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So it would be to give reports on

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uh maybe having a discussion on uh entertainment in the village as to how we want to handle that through ordinances or? Because we have parking lots that are private and

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can we, if you want to articulate an amendment? Okay. Well, if you can articulate the amendment, I would second.

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Okay. I

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just wanted to know if that, that would include the, uh the item I spoke on, on

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517 uh property,

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and mine's now just in discussions. oh

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okay. Gotcha. So,

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uh for the

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just

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well I've changed six to make that. okay Well, wouldn't this need

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to come back as further discussion as well? ‸ Okay. Let me ask

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do you

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amendment.

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You

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have that amendment? Well, Mr. Mayor. It was, okay, what was ‸ The motion to, um let me

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me, so it's... ‸ got

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a motion and a second on the floor already, so we should vote on that eliminated but I'm here from You ask why I got a condition because I know you're going to lead us in the correct direction. And

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I think procedurally, I think we might have an issue. i mean I mean, you've endeavored to have this discussion for about 40 minutes regarding non-budget related items, asking for information and to come back. But the original motion, I thought, was to approve the budget with all these other discussion items. So I think um you got to treat both of those separately. So my recommendation is that you address the item, the agenda item, which is the budget, um separately. And then the wish list of comeback items would be a separate motion. But right now,

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you have you have that wish list as an amended amendment to the original motion to approve the budget.

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And

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motion, will have trouble with this

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the budget item stated.

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We're going to call the question. Do you have that, Mr. uh Fink, sir? Did you say yes, Mr. Fink? Yep. Thank you, sir. our chairs gonna ‸ call. And we have a second by

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just gonna ‸ call the question. All in favor of saying aye. Aye. Any nays? ayes have it unanimously. Now we're going to come back to you, Mrs. Rogers, about your request, about your non-budgeting items for discussion with staff and agency. Is that my, God bless you, ma'am. Is that the correct interpretation?

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Yes.

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Okay. Go ahead and make your motion so the uh agency member calls can second. Okay.

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I wish to make a motion that the items one through six that have been submitted will be up for staff direction, non-budgetary, this direction. And further discussion. And further discussion. There

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you go. I was waiting on that

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But we needed to come back as with options. And if it's feasible.

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You're talking about Hewlett? Correct. Because we don't even know. Okay. Sir, let me do this. And then you can make your motion. Gotcha. Okay. all

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is that fair enough? Sound good. Okay, sir. All right,

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by agency member uh Rogers, Candace Rogers, and um

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items number one? Right? Give me your item so you can get it down.

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uh The other is administrative, so we can just pass that.

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those two items. And a further discussion of entertainment.

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Okay,

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got your light on. Agency member calls. Okay, agency member calls. There you go. Now,

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Do you want to talk on that, Vice Chair?

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but Now that that's been clarified that those others were taken out, that's all I wanted.

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Okay. All right. Are we together? Yes.

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It's a wonderful ‸ thing when the plan goes as designated.

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All in favor saying aye. Aye. Aye. Any nays? i ‸ have it unanimously. I got a light on.

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hey hey the floor is yours sir i'm sorry okay oh i i i is yours on that item

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yes but it but it it doesn't affect the vote

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you know

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me i like to express my opinion i don't have

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a problem with that

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apologize that's fine but okay

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i just still have a couple

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ma'am and then i will come to agency member okay

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i just wanted to say that as far as the micro transportation issue i don't know anybody that doesn't think it's a good idea particularly and not just us but out there in in the village land just especially because we're looking at parking that's further out and further out and um so i appreciate that we're going to get some additional information back on that that we can talk about um the other thing about the the moratorium on parking perhaps not necessarily because that's kind of a council issue not necessarily a moratorium but when you say you're going to look at it case by case, really look at it and don't just rubber stamp it. You know, a lot of times

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don't even, don't even. just down

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there tighten up

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And then the, the, what ‸ agency member Hearn said about the landscaping to mitigate some of the nightlife issues. I really like that and I don't think anybody doesn't like more landscaping either. So that's another thing that I'd really like to look into. And that was it.

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All right. I would like to make a motion uh for the staff to bring back to this agency a list of options on how we can purchase the 517

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the purpose of addressing affordable housing as well and field construction within uh the CRA. I'll

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You gotta

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have a million dollars. Yep.

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That's what they want

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now.

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‸ I've had, it clearly

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I've

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had, I had the conversation with Mr. Luther about a year ago and his asking price was close to a million dollars.

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You, you guys have the property that's on the corner there.

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So you got orange. You got 203 orange that we're going to put an RFP out on. So you own that. And then that's the property that's south of there. I did have the conversation with Mr. Luther about what he wanted for that. And he wanted close to a million dollars. And so, so I'll go back and I'll ask uh what's his sales price there, but I'm pretty sure it's going to be, you know, probably even more than that now. how

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is that block

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‸ Go ahead and finish. sir Is that it,

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uh that lot. And then, and then let me, let me just say on the micro, uh transit stuff there,

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to look at the um the uh beep which is the autonomous vehicles. We've had a meeting with the uh company out of Jacksonville. uh Through the TPO, we've talked about the mobility on demand. And so and so we've looked at a number of of those types of uh uh products that could move people around the village there. So certainly don't have a problem uh looking at the uh looking at the the golf cart shuttle set up there. Again, that's going to be, you know, there's a purchase price associated with the golf carts, but that's going to be a staffing issue. I can tell you that right off the bat there. And so again, we'll bring back uh staff reports for for for either CRA discussion or for council discussion on on all of the things listed here. Some are just easy to tick off there. And then

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entertainment. We're going to tell you what's open in the village after a certain period, what's your, what's your, um what's your, uh code codes currently allow. And then, you know, big part of that is going to be the noise ordinance there. So, so that's, that's easy enough to do. um and so I'll tell you in a couple of seconds here with the size of that, uh that

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Okay. um as he researched that information,

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you want to say something? No, sir. ‸ Okay. Okay. Agency member her, you made a motion and I second. Now I'm gonna ‸ ask a question. You just want us to negotiate it. Is that, um bring back information? Negotiate.

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And if

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any other creative tools in the basket to make that happen, um I would like those options presented to us as well.

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okay. And I told you i was seconded and we're having this discussion. that doesn't mean that we have

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on it. You just wanted to come back with information, fact finding. Correct. Does everyone comprehend that?

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Just gonna ‸ call the question. All in favor ‸ saying aye. Aye. any nays eyes have it unanimously all right i think

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1.63 acres i wonder what is the front side the hewlett side because i i'm going to speed across the front

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mean my realtor can't pull it out of this guy?

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sir. mr city manager any reports um

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no sir but but just so that that's a total ‸ 1.63 acres uh vb vlb land holdings purchased it for 635 000

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you have updates and staff reports, ma'am?

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I have two things. So so the on October 14th through the 17th is the Florida Redevelopment Association Conference. Registration opens this month. I need a uh confirmation from agency members that would like to attend so I can register you for the conference. I need a

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West Palm Beach.

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man you know

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registration is already filling up. And the hotels are almost full. And

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we did not want to stay in

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‸ i

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thought you wanted to say ‸ Well, that's a better spot.

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So that's also a council meeting on the 14th, so I guess that decision will be made later.

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Yes. Is

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yeah October 1st ‸ It starts the Wednesday. So Wednesday would be the the classes and the tours and everything else, but obviously Tuesday after council, you would have to go down to check into your hotel. Just making

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a short agenda. That's all. Short meeting. Simple.

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Anyway, you you see what happened how to book, ma'am.

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That's right.

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Yes, ma'am. Okay, any, go ahead, ma'am. I'm sorry.

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The other update I have is

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of the light heads are going in tomorrow. The lights will all be installed by the end of the week. We are anticipating a final walk through with the contractor on August 19th. And uh assuming the punch list will be cleared, we'll be ready to open by the end of

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that. and And, you know, we reopened. We don't have the t docs and we don't have the the docs there. so So I think that'll come at some point in time.

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okay Go ahead, ma'am.

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Yeah, have uh the businesses been notified or will we notify them when that's going to happen? So I've

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had

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several businesses along that strip ask me.

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Once we have a firm date, we have to go through the punch list first. We can't give a date a confirmation yet until we have

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and

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Remember our target has always been September. So I think i think we updated the website uh last week yes with that uh with that information.

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So Florida Gas is taken care of?

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All right, sir.

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Yeah, everybody who is who is running fiber or something in the park, they're done. Okay.

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Okay, uh ‸ Come on. Come on back. Okay. you good. ‸ All right. Any other staff reports? No

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other staff reports, sir. I

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thank you all for your competency and your commitment. I thank the agency members here as well and individuals

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most of all, cooperation moving

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For September the 8th at 6 p.m

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have a motion on the floor by uh vice chair lady agency member. ‸ weeks. And

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question. All in favor. saying hi.

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