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do roll call. Okay, would everyone, including myself, secure your cell phones? Please stand for invocation, ma'am and sirs.
Let us pray. Dear Gracious Heavenly Father, Lord, we thank you for this day. We thank you for this opportunity, Lord, to come together as a family and do the city's business for what's best for our communities, Lord. We pray for our men and women in uniform, Lord, as they're facing tough decisions and going overseas and fighting for our country, Lord, and the rights that we enjoy today. Thank you for all that you provide for us in your only name we pray, amen. Amen.
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stands, one nation,
under God, indivisible,
with liberty and justice
for all.
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planning special meeting of May 19th held. um I would like to add one more item to that, please. Under um Council priorities, it will be number
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Unified Communication Center. ‸ So, we will have three items under Council priorities. Chair, make a motion to amend the agenda to reflect those three requests.
Second.
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gonna ‸ call the question. All in favor by
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Yes. ‸ Okay. I'm just looking at my paper here.
Yeah.
Okay. Before we get started, as you all know, we met previously in reference of the priorities for Council, and we do have several items there. And um if you have any questions, the City Manager will discuss this for our priorities and planning meeting. Mr. City Manager, the floor is yours, sir.
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Mayor.
you want one of these
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we just we put that there um because again we always outline the topics in the um in the presentation there and so so within the presentation we actually do address unified um dispatching so there are a number of things we'll take you through the traditional uh budgetary information and mrs. Bowman will do that uh and then we'll talk about fire department overtime because that's a huge uh issue and expenditure for us in the current fiscal year and going forward there and so chief Lamb will will talk about that um and then we we do talk about the unified dispatch. I think there are some interesting things that you'll discover about unified dispatching. And then uh lastly, your council priorities. So that's that's all within
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that we're asking you for. And so the approval to purchase
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um I'll show you what those are. But this one, this one in particular is to purchase a tax certificate for a specific property uh that
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because the tax certificates actually go on sale uh June 1st. And so we needed ‸ that. um And then the school board interlocal is uh the item from Tuesday's meeting that you authorized uh me to work with the school board on. And so we'll bring that. And so,
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and I can talk about it within um within the presentation or within your priorities
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going to update you on that and probably ask for you all to take some sort of action on that, because uh as you recall, the signed fund balances was there was two million dollars to go from septic to sewer. And uh
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And so we'll talk about that when we get there. But so starting out, Mr. Mayor, um we'll do the staff presentation, go on to your priorities uh and then the other items there. And so we'll start out as we traditionally do with again, miss bowman taking you through the budgetary and revenue and the tax information. thank
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thank you, Mr. City manager, Mr. Mayor.
Yes, ma'am.
so um this part of the presentation um you've seen at the last uh budget hearing that we had. um So just a little bit about the property tax information, we are definitely seeing a lot of growth throughout
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years. As you all know, we've got a lot going on out at
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And so that is placing a pressure on the need for additional police and fire personnel to be able to support the increase in population. And if you look down at the box there on the left hand side, uh just as a reminder, our
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and the police department's budget alone is roughly 14 million dollars. uh The city manager did mention dispatch and we'll get into some numbers about them later but um they cost roughly about 1.3 million dollars um So the funding for just the police department, let alone fire, uh needs to come from other funding sources uh ‸ about a million dollars. um A lot of times people talk about all the taxes ‸ that they pay
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property taxes, they're not paying all that money to the city of
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uh Roughly about
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of every dollar goes to the city. And as a reminder, there's a large uh portion of the population that does not pay uh any property tax or very little property taxes due to the taxable values of the homes. And
Rebecca, on the on the chart on the left hand side, the 13 million is before we make
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uh about two and a half to three million dollars less. So
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is not considered in that.
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I'm demonstrating there the cost of the police department versus what your property taxes collect. And so
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would be uh the fire assessment and I'm doing a comparison with the police department. Just for demonstration purposes to show that the property taxes don't even cover one department. So
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there's a lot of unknown things with uh property taxes, as you've probably seen uh in the news. uh One proposal is to reduce the taxable value of the primary residence by 25 000 plus an additional exemption of 25 000 for anything valued over 50 000.
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approaching the budget the
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development being very conservative because, um you know, like there's a budget bill that's going to be effective January 1st of next year, which doesn't have a direct financial impact. But it does have a financial impact that it's going to take staff time to do additional reporting and steps in the budget process.
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but we don't know if opportunities will be out there for that. uh
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me, the day slips. We're seeking uh fine funding and or the CRA,
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CRA, to help with funding of that. um And so you'll find out more about that as that uh those two projects progress, but we may wind up having to fund more directly uh for the rebuilding of those two things. And then as a reminder, the Brevard County Parks Agreement a couple years ago, um where we're picking up anything over
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email where uh
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went into the project. So they had to do a change order and it costed additional money. In that instance, that was included in contingency for the project, but you never know what you're going to get into during the course of the year. So we have built money into the budget in the last few years since that agreement, excuse me, has been effective. But each year we have no idea what kind of surprises case in point, the septic issue at Stradley coming up. So uh we just estimated rough estimates, um the different scenarios that we had at one point in time.
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year uh in revenue And that is property taxes that were just homestead of properties and not all all properties because you do have um multi-family and commercial. um
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1.4 million dollars and those things are there to demonstrate that if that type of revenue went away, we would have to come up with recurring revenue to pay for our existing services, or we would have to reduce existing services. And ‸ then there was discussion about should senior citizens be provided an extra exemption. Personally, that'd be great, but I understand on my financial side, uh we need the money. um And then anything uh related to insurance. So there's a lot going on with the property taxes, and we have no idea what legislature is going to do or how the people are going to vote. um So as we do every year,
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the prior year's budget and then look at expenditures that uh we're estimating at this point in time. So, um the fire assessment, normally there's a
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increase in that. The water uh water and sewer utility and storm water um overhead allocation, indirect cost allocation, we anticipate
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that we may be having. uh But then when we look on the expenditure side, um they we have union agreements. So, those union agreements have built-in salary increases that were negotiated at the time the contracts took effect. Plus, uh paying other salary uh to to general non-union staff to stay competitive in the market so in general fund we estimate that
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for maybe up to 15 And so, we have the brokers still working on that. So, again, we're just trying to be conservative.
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that we're getting for the utilities, the city has utilities that they pay the water and sewer utility fund. uh So, our utilities are going
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And everybody knows what the fuel costs look like right now. And
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is probably a too low of an estimate at this point in time because the prices are so high so our expenses were increasing about 1.8 million dollars so um starting off just trying to look at the budget we're uh with a shortfall of about 430 000
Rebecca?
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this analysis?
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But we should be getting, um because because of the technical incident that we had, everything's gotten thrown behind. um
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uh the estimates from the property appraiser somewhere in the first week of June. So, we'll have some some numbers then
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about it. so um as the city manager alluded to, the uh fire department has a significant amount of overtime.
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and then we watch what the actual is during the course of
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we budgeted about 75 000
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overtime. um Chief can speak to you and and we'll speak to you about uh the reasons
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But it's having a significant impact. We've been trying to um fund that because we need recurring revenue to be able to pay for salaries. um We've been trying to look at cost savings from vacant positions, but he's been doing so well in this department being staffed
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those positions to pull money from.
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talk to you about the why of the overtime and and why we're in this predicament there. um And so he'll go over just the circumstances that actually cause the uh overtime.
So this
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but the most important is our contract, our union contract. We are bound uh by that contract in certain areas. And several of those areas is what influences our overtime. One of those being um how we staff our units. Most of our overtime, when you get an overtime breakdown, if you look at where we're spending overtime, it's on our lieutenants and driver's side. Anytime there's a lieutenant or a driver off, we have to backfill those positions specifically with another lieutenant or another driver. It can't be just a firefighter because there's credentialing and certification that goes along with that. So one of the biggest obstacles that we're running into is in the union contract. It will not allow us to go outside to hire in for those positions because the contract says you must have so many years in
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to be able to ride out of ‸ those positions. So we're really hamstrung and trying to uh take a bite out of that overtime and lower it.
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up with some ingenuitive ways to do that. We have started
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where we're adding what's called floater positions in order to add extra lieutenant, extra driver to each shift. That way, if a lieutenant's off, you're still able to move a lieutenant up on that shift, and you're already paying them that salary, so you don't have to pay them overtime. But one of the biggest things that we can never figure in is injuries. Injuries and accidents are what kill us, especially off the job injuries or on the job injuries. When they're out for any amount of significant time, like right now, we have two out. One that's out on a worker's comp injury, one that is out on a non-job related injury that are going to be probably out extended. um It's costing us to have to backfill both of those drivers positions with overtime at time and a half. So you add that on top of uh just
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going up, some other things. We're continuously climbing that mountain of getting to be over a million dollars. So we've been working hard with Rebecca and the city manager's office to really try and come up with some ways to combat that and bring that overtime cost down because it is not sustainable. There's not an organization that will be able to sustain that and that increase every year. So as I said, again, a lot of it we're bound by in our union contract and the union contract. So those are things that we're looking at for when the union contract opens. The city will be taking a hard look at those to negotiate those down.
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Is one of those changes possibly allowing, um I know you said it's mandated for city employees to be the driver or you can hire from ‸ outside. Is one of those possible changes, is that a conversation to hire? If a guy coming from Melbourne and he's been driving for 20 years,
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Absolutely. Absolutely. It could. I think those are all things that we have to bring back to a negotiating table though
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and all. But certainly that is uh that is a possibility. And
the reason why it's that way now it's
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Yeah, but chief, I mean, again, we would have to bring that to the negotiating table and you're negotiating across the table against the folks who are benefiting from the, uh from the overtime. so uh
so ‸ how much does the call volume gone up? oh ‸ that
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It's a little bit of everything. I mean, we've seen any
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number of residents that are moving in, the activities and stuff going on around. I know we actually increased our fire prevention budget this year because used to we only did maybe half a dozen special events, fire prevention events each year.
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and just being out in the public doing fire prevention talks, fire helmets, things of that nature. So and it's only going to get worse. I mean, you guys have all seen the proposed buildings that are coming in and all. And I say worse, i I mean that in a good way, but also in a bad way. As the population grows, so does the demand for service, whether it be EMS, fire, public works, you name it. So, you know, those are the some of the challenges that we're having. We are exploring uh several avenues of grants to see about grants.
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That's not a one-time hit. The federal government will come in and give you some money to help you get started. But at the end of that program, it's on your shoulders to ensure that you fund that. And normally, when you sign those type of grants, you say that you will continue funding those for three to five years. And if not, you lose that opportunity to ever apply for that grant again. So it's a it's a slippery slope for where we're at. But we knew, I should say we, I knew that coming when I first got here.
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right before I got here. And one of the biggest things they said was, all your development is going to go on the west side of
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years down the road. Where's all of our development gone? On that west west side of
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looking back at me like I need to show up or something. oh
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You got me scared now.
um i Are you done? oh
yeah I
have a question. I read that uh that the state passed something about unions that affected um how, uh and i I'm trying to remember exactly the the how it went, but the the and the governor, I think, has signed it. Yeah, Lauren, lauren can you
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It doesn't apply to public safety unions.
It doesn't. okay Because I said something about firefighters. So I thought that ‸ Tell them what the it is.
what what So what the it is, it's particular on labor unions now.
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the members that are active and paying dues. And so each year, of the union has to go through a recertification process. They file with the Public Employer Labor Relations Commission. And so it's really impactful right now
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of dues paying members. We have to go through an election process. Now, the new change in the legislation you read is that the uh
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had five members that voted, if four voted for and one voted against, then they continue the union. Now, with the election, they have to have over
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of the dues paying members of the people who vote uh to uh vote to have a union. So if they need to have the the majority vote now.
Okay.
Thank you.
uh Chief, currently we have three man engines, correct?
Yes, sir.
So there's a lieutenant, uh driver engineer, and most likely an EMT, correct? Firefighter, uh
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they're All of our lieutenants are paramedics. That's per the contract. Most of our uh driver operators are paramedics.
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paramedic school. And that's not a requirement to be a driver, but it is a requirement to be a company officer.
So is it possible something we could look at in the future when those uh negotiations come
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possibly having EMTs eligible to promote as a driver, or
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want to be at. Because remember, all of our units are what they call ALS, which is Advanced Life Support Services Units. So they provide the exact same care that an ambulance does, which means they have to have a paramedic on them. So, you know, Clay went through this years and years ago. We went through it kind of when I was here because we still had a couple of EMT lieutenants. The challenge we ran into was being able to have a paramedic, either driver operator or firefighter, with that EMT or that emt officer in order to maintain your ALS services. If, for whatever reason you don't have enough paramedics in your system, then
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able to run ALS or you wind up giving out more mandatory overtime or overtime into positions just for that coverage. So I think you would see if we reverse that, you would see your overtime budget actually go up because we don't have a lot of paramedics. um
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Everybody's hired and the first ones that get hired are paramedics because they need those ALS services and they need those paramedics. So they're paying premium money for paramedics right now.
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to go get their medic. gotcha It does. And
we we just sponsored three last year through the city, through paramedic school. And we sponsored another three this year um to go through paramedic school that were EMTs, some of the younger firefighters, because they see that in order to promote up, they're going to have to have that eventually. So um
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through the division approval with the medical director, did very well. So, you know, being able to grow those in-house is probably the best bet we have rather than trying to hire them from the outside. Because you don't see a lot of paramedics applying unless it's with a large department with a lot of money. I
certainly understand the difficulty of the situation. um All sides, departments
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sure having to deal with this overtime issue. So I know it's complicated.
So no quick fix?
No, ma'am, there's not. I mean, we, the contract opens up uh this next year. So we'll be starting to go to the table on that to come up with some solutions. um None of them will be overnight resolutions, I'm sure, and it will be a challenge. um But, like I said, ‸ we're trying to put things in place now to start knocking some of that down. um Because it is not sustainable. It just, there's no way we're going to be able to keep that up without something, you know, giving at some point. So we're trying to do our best to get that under control. um We've got top of the line equipment, top of the line stations, you name it. um
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that can say their primary and their secondary apparatus are 10 years old or less. I mean, I don't know any other department. In fact,
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because they didn't have anything to move into to help their community. So, you know, I think we're blessed on that side of it. But again, that's not a reoccurring cost like over time
Well, my question then would be,
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that this has, we have to have, I'm just.
Yeah, they do not.
just recall the uh the conversations going back to the the uh building a new station, and this was before I was on council,
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because I remember it because there was, you know, ‸ the people in the Michigan Avenue area was really upset that the fire station was leaving. so um
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the growth going down 524 but it sounds like it's not enough or because it's extending because
it's extending
and that would be like when we're preserved and
the population all that out there
yeah yeah we're way out there
yeah if you look if you look at the growth and all the charts and the stuff that we have that's getting ready to be built or been approved by council that's exactly where all the growth is and one station in that area is not going to be able to keep up with the demand and call volume so and it's right on track for the station relocation study so we're looking to next year have an updated relocation study done for another station just to see if it's moved at all compared because that was well over 10 years ago when they had that one done
any other questions okay so um as we've been discussing we do have three union contracts uh two union contracts to negotiate this year and three next year. uh So LIUNA, the firefighters and PBA rank and file do have salary increases
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starting negotiations with the PBA lieutenants and the fire district chiefs. And then
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um So as we've been talking, um there is definitely a need for public safety because of the population growing. The chief was just talking about additional stations. Last fiscal year, we did build in one police officer position,
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firefighter position that we did fund, but we froze because the city manager's plan is to start building up and adding positions and holding that money so that we have the recurring revenue because you would need 12 people to run a fire station. So
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cost of that would be very significant for the city to try and come up with that kind of recurring revenue in just one year. So the plan is to uh start setting money aside and planning for that future growth. um And
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next year to do another ‸ station study.
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out west and a lot of that
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Is there any way to do a joint fire station with the county for to service that area uh versus just having
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be? I mean, I know you guys do an inter agreement but do a joint so that there are firefighters for for both that would cover both at the same station. I'm just wouldn't that save money?
it It would. But a lot of times what you see in those is you see disparity amongst the crews for two reasons. One, uh because one department's getting paid more than another. Then one department has better equipment than the other. Then you have infighting and you wind up ‸ having the situation and it's not very tenable. um So, I mean, can it be done? Has
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And I think if you would talk to any fire chief that's living through it now or ever done it, they will tell you if they had the option, they would never do it again. um It's just it's very hard to manage.
No, I don't know unless you ask.
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So the next part of the presentation is the unified dispatch discussion. And a lot of folks don't understand exactly how a 911 call happens and how it's dispatched there.
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Remember that there was House Bill 1427, which was mandating unified 911 dispatching. That didn't happen this year, but I can almost certainly guarantee you that it will happen next year at some point in the ‸ future. And ‸ so I think the city is well served to get ahead of the curve on that. And so what I just passed out to you are a number of things that I'll cover. So this is the sort of state of unified dispatching in Brevard County. And when ‸ we say dispatching, ‸ it's simply the 911 call comes into a call center. And there are personnels that actually dispatch to you the services.
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time that you get your services. The services are medical, fire, and law enforcement.
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almost primarily the entire county, is under unified dispatching, i.e. there's one agency that's responsible for the dispatching of their 911 calls there.
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unified dispatching for fire. And I say functions because I include and included in that is a is a Canaveral Port Authority. And so you can see the 15 there.
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agencies that are under the ‸ unified dispatching. Um, the, the Rockledge is a hybrid when it comes to dispatching, unified dispatching.
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then Palm Bay is a hybrid when it comes to unified dispatching. And so
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Titusville and Cocoa are really the only cities that are still, uh, not under the unified dispatching, uh, uh, service there. Titusville actually have, has their, uh, servers linked on the police side so that they can share information. And so talk a little bit about how a 911 call comes in and is dispatched for medical, uh, calls there. And so this is a medical
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medical? Is this fire or is this police?
And so right now, current state is for a medical call. You call from your house, you have a medical emergency, it goes over to the
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Center in the police station. That call has to be transferred over to the Unified Dispatching or the Unified
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Center there. So we are currently, if you will, doing a two-step
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‸ from the house or my daughter calls in from the house.
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Rockledge and then the emergency medical services are dispatched to the patient. Obviously there's a delay, there's an extra step, there's time in that in that transfer process.
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I guarantee you that most members of the community don't know that medical services is dispatched out of the unit of the UCC. So for a 911 call for fire is a little bit more complicated. So the call comes in, it comes in to the COCO dispatch center. The COCO dispatchers dispatch fire the fire department. So fire department is dispatched but the transfer still has to occur and has to go over to unified dispatch because with a fire call, there's a requirement to dispatch county EMS. Again recall that EMS is unified through the county. So the county is the provider of emergency medical services. So ‸ that again is a two-step process where yes our fire department is dispatched but the call also has to go over to the unified communications center so that they can dispatch county EMS and county fire. Chief you want to explain why I think the EMS is self-explanatory. You want to explain why county fire also rolls?
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to keep our ISO rating low and to meet the NFPA requirements, we depend on Brevard County to send us that extra unit. So that's why you will always see a Brevard County truck traveling to a fire with us. But then the NFPA standard and the state statutes also require an EMS transport unit to be on scene. Not only in the event that there may be victims that need to be transported right away, but also for the firefighters that are operating on the fire grounds. If uh if any of you saw the news over in the last couple of days, they had that very large explosion in Maine that hurt 11 firefighters, killed one. um That's why. That's why you have an EMS truck there. So you can get medical attention to those people and get them transported right away. So we have to have that relationship with the county and being dispatched with their units coming with us, which still, as you can see, is a transfer, which causes a delay and even their response to us and getting them to our scenes.
‸ in the two instances, you see that the calls are having to
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system. And then in this instance, part of the call is is dispatched out of the unified system.
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more streamlined. And so sort of
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to the police uh officers uh
officers
that are um on duty that night. um Under the unified, there are no call transfers. Under the unified, there the dispatchers ultimately will be um emergency medical uh certified, uh and they'll be certified in law enforcement. Currently, we don't have any dispatchers that are that are
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um so So in the unified dispatching world, you can see it's much more streamlined. There are no transfers that uh that uh that have to occur. And those services are are um dispatched concurrently.
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biggest advantage and what people should be focused on is, regardless of who dispatches, it is the the efficiency, the speed of the service to the patient, to the victim. And so
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unified, you eliminate that extra step, which actually, in cases of stroke, heart attack, or any of those things, seconds could save your life. And so so that's the the major um advantage of of that
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work on this, um on looking at this issue. And so this is her presentation. I'm just jumping in. and but But if you can take this slide, Mary. Sure.
Good evening, everyone, Mayor, Council, men and women. ‸ Sorry. So the advantages of moving to unified, the faster emergency medical response is a major improvement. When Coco PD transfers that call, they require that reinitiation and add delay to the call for emerge emergency medical. At the um unified, sorry, at the unified communication center, it's a single intake with no handoff, if they are emergency medical certified.
fit of ‸ being emergency medical certified is is that they're trained um to to ask certain questions, to take you through a medical protocol prior to the first responders getting there.
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things that you should or shouldn't be doing that, again, could potentially um save your life.
Yep. And as Stockton showed you in the last slide, that immediate dispatch of EMS fire and PD, it happens seamlessly or simon simultaneously. Medical instructions are started immediately from the dispatcher.
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even gets there. This is a life safety upgrade, especially for cardiac trauma falls. So as also as we mentioned, the dual certification dispatch advantages. Moving to Unified, there's an opportunity for career advancement and to have to take these the training for dual certification. it As we showed, it reduces the handoffs and failure points. It eliminates that transfer delay, miscommunication risks, and duplicate call processing. Simultaneous multi-agency dispatch and it's seamless delivery. And
so Mary, go ahead ‸ talk about the financial impacts. So we have
significant financial impacts as well. The shared infrastructure, uh cost avoidance, the unified already absorbs the major system costs.
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the um telephony
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infrastructure and redundant systems.
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There's no need to re um also no need for uh
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consoles, maintain them, maintain the dispatch systems,
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a lot of uh obviously dispatching is about, it's a service, it's about the people, but the people are providing that service
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technology associated with the function, with the service that has to be upgraded um periodically. And so when we say you can reduce the time and streamline the time to provide the service to the patient, to the citizens, to the visitors, to the businesses, that's the major benefit of going to the unified system. The yearly cost savings are, again, a significant additional benefit or byproduct of the unified system.
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$74 million. These are annual, obviously,
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Million dollars going to the federal government.
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function, the charge to us would be $200,000 a year. And so we go from the $1.5 to $200,000 a year. And explain the bullet points that are below the UCC, Mary.
‸ Okay. So the UCC costs for cloud, you know, data storage in the cloud so that it's not on the premises, right? Easy to recover, easy to back up. And the facility and equipment maintenance is approximately $200,000 a year ongoing for us.
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So we will be in the county cloud, of our county cloud. And with that, we get data sharing with all the ‸ cities, surrounding cities. And all of that gives us more intel and more information. Not only that, we get enterprise reporting. That's been something we've really been needing. And we're looking forward to that. Besides ‸ whether we do it or not. What's
enterprise
reporting?
So data archive, data sharing, like I said. And then state-of-the-art facility equipment and training that's available for our folks.
‸ Mary, tell them what the enterprise reporting is.
So enterprise reporting would be taking the data from multi-cities ‸ and pulling that together to report on all kinds of different trends and past data, future data, to predict things and to get metrics on exactly what type of timing we have for calls. Is that what you mean?
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I hope I wasn't jumping ahead. I was going to ask about the current positions that we have. There's spots for every last one of our employees.
Yeah, you're jumping ahead. Okay. That's good. I mean, again, there's a human side of this. And so let's address that.
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You have one supervisor. You have five employees that are still under probation. So ‸ is that less than a year or less than six months?
It's a year of probation to Dispatch.
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You have two employees that have less than two years of service. And ‸ then you have three employees with 20-plus years of service.
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‸ So in terms of
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by the transition. So I want to talk about
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happens to them.
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letter from the sheriff that's addressed to me. And you can see that's signed by the sheriff. And then gave you the charter again to show you who's under unified.
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says there. And so let me just walk you through that because, again, significantly, ‸ it's a real significant, life-changing issue for the employees. And so the existing City of Cocoa Dispatch employees would be offered ‸ uninterrupted employment opportunities with the ‸ unified dispatching center. ‸ They would not be required to undergo the comprehensive or the full traditional new hire background. They would become members of the classified civil service system after one year. And Rebecca, we
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It's a law
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And it essentially says that anyone that's being hired needs to go through a fair process for hiring employees. And that you can't be hired because you know someone who goes back to President Garfield back in 1883. ‸ And
so when people say, you know, we have civil service protection, that's exactly what this is.
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Those are all sort of standard benefits that are offered to employees. Most importantly, or just as important as all of the things that are here, they would remain in the Florida retirement system. So they are not having to start over. So where you are now is where you would be when you come over. Their existing accrued annual and sick leave balances with the city of Cocoa would be transferred to
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And so you wouldn't lose those. If you have however many hours you can have stacked up here, let's just say 200 hours of annual, you could bring that over without having to cash it out or without having to lose it. I.e. again, you're not starting over.
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10-year employee and that and that and you were able to get 30 hours of annual leave each year, you would have that
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and again, they would receive the 192 annual, the 120, the 60. That all seems pretty standard. They have a tuition reimbursement, which is 5,200 annually. And then they have the educational incentive pay. I don't know if our tuition reimbursement is $5,200 annually.
I don't know.
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I just don't know that that ours is as high as that.
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our tuition reimbursement agreements, they could
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obviously subject to a review. Obviously, if you're a dispatcher and you're going to get a degree in art, that probably wouldn't happen.
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port their deferred compensation because again, they have another a different provider than we ‸ do.
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center would actually receive a sign on bonus as though they're literally our new employees. But again, they're accruing and maintaining the pay and the benefits that they have over here. So they would actually give the employees sign on bonuses. Make
more money now transferring over. Go ahead, sir.
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I just looked up our new policy right now. It's $1,500 per fiscal year, our tuition reimbursement.
So it's $1,500 for us and it's $5,200 for them.
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$2,500. If you're a dual certified, because again, the goal in a unified dispatching center is for the dispatchers to be EMD and police certified. And so if you have
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You can see the
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And I think their rates are, their pay rates are obviously higher than ours. And so ‸ you can see on the chart there, you can see that a
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Dual is $50,000 to $76,000.
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I specifically asked, how successful are you in funding your step plan? So there is each year an automatic step up
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pay based on the step plan. You come over, and you come into the step plan based on your years of service here. And so ‸ if you have 20 years of service, and their step plan says that at 20 years of service, you should be at step 14, you come in at step 14. And then there's additional assignment pay if you're a training officer, if you're a lead worker. There are additional, again, as ‸ I think we've mentioned, ‸ additional financial, or we talked about the salary for dual discipline dispatchers. There's also additional incentive pay for having those dual certifications. Uniforms at no cost. And then they do work 12-hour shifts with the ability, based on seniority, to bid shifts on an annual basis. I think that's pretty standard in fire departments there. And so you can see that in terms of the human resources aspect of this, that really the ‸ dispatchers would go over, and the financial circumstances could actually, or probably actually better. Again, same retirement plan, a step plan, incentives, pay for certifications, tuition reimbursement.
Question. And then I'll come to you. And we'll just go around the desk if anyone has anything they would like to say.
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or even Mrs.
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Thank you, sir. If we decided to do, ‸ incorporate the UCC, my question is, how will this affect our ratings on insurance?
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Let me understand.
It will actually enhance us because of the redundancy that the Sheriff's Office has in place for dispatching and all at the UCC. Plus, on top of that, it will lower our call times and allow us to capture more of what we call our hot points, fire out, arrived on scene, things like that, where we're not capturing that information, so we're not able to report that
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us lower our insurance rating from a 3 to a 2. We were a tenth of a point from a 2 five years ago. So these things will help enhance that.
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of our grading is on our communications center for ISO.
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So coming from this background, obviously I have a lot of insight on how this work.
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Unfortunately, you know,
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to consider. So there may be rumors that get out that that means there's going to be a county takeover of our fire police. Has that been considered by staff? How do you minimize that? That's
that's I mean, this is about dispatching. And as you can see, that's why I went back to these charts. You can see that actually that there are calls right now that are out of ‸ unified dispatching. And so this is this is about really, I mean, if you look at this chart, you know,
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prior to that bill being
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but you don't have any ability to negotiate anything and so and so this is about dispatching.
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has a desire to have one police force and one fire for a county that is 72 miles long. It's just just the ‸ just seems to be impractical, you know, and so and so, you know, we've talked about what this is. This is unified dispatching that is, again, already occurring in the in the county and will probably be mandated through some legislation in the future.
So, like I say, I certainly understand what's going on. Just looking from the outside, looking in the citizens, they may not understand this process. So I'm just hoping that we're considering a way to inform the citizens on what's going on. And so they don't get worried. Yeah.
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yeah, you know. Yeah. I mean, right now. And you know this, I know I'm preaching to the choir, but but, you know, medical call. Medical call comes into Cocoa Dispatch and has to be transferred to to UCC. ‸ And so, you know,
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know? You know, and I think most don't know that it happens this way. And
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reminded today that, you know, on a fire call that EMS has the role. And then because of required levels of service county roles to most people don't know that, you know. And so obviously, you know, based upon the council's direction to proceed forward, you know, we'd have to we'd have to educate, you know, we got to, you know, I've talked to the supervisor. Dispatcher about this, but ‸ we got to educate them, you know, and so. So, yeah, we'd have to do some education. This is not
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I have a question. Right now, the dispatch people are working out of the police station. Where is the new unified? Where do they going to have to drive to for that?
‸ Right. Right now, they're actually working out of
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yes, they've been there. They've been there since February 18th.
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the UCC.
Yeah. OK. I was just curious to see, you know, what commute, you know, how is that going to affect them? I mean, to me, this makes so much sense.
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the people, you know, they're not having to drive from here to Palm Bay. Yeah. And because that would offset some of their.
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the corner. As the mayor likes to say,
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was just going to say, I definitely support this based on the efficiencies. And, you know, our first concern is always, you know, providing the fastest ‸ service we can.
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And so along with the savings, I don't think it'll be a hard sell at all.
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The only thing I had, I know City Manager just said that he spoke to the supervisor, so that would be my only question. And I don't know if you can share that or not, but their thought process on even though financially it may benefit them,
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at the end of the day the bottom line is your household
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to county?
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Yeah, you know, and I,
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I've spoken with Kathy. I know how she feels about it. You know, it's,
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And so you work someplace for 32 years
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and, and that change comes. And so, you know, all of the concerns that she presented to us, we
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with,
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Unified Center.
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And let me give you let me give you one example. It was, well, if if they're dispatching, we take a lot of non-emergency calls, i.e water main breaks how are they going to handle that well you give them instructions to call this number. The dispatchers over there call this number for water main breaks. And so those are addressed there. And so and so I'm satisfied that every concern that was raised can be addressed over there. It's just a matter of the instructions that are um that are given to the Unified Dispatch. Administrative ‸ calls,
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serving, all of those sort of things are addressed because it's just, it's the 21st century. And so
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terms correct, but it's instructions in the module.
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because it's it's change, you know. um And and let me let me just, while we're here, let me just say this. And so uh the technological incident, February 16th, um we were, um i won't say, well, we we've been dispatching out of Unified since February 18th. lifesaver for for for for the city
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uh they stepped up and so so that that that there's a there's a whole lot more uh positive cooperation between the city and our services and and the Brevard County Sheriff's Office and people know.
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synergy that's there with all the technology savings. We literally don't have to buy space. We don't have to buy servers there. We don't have to buy the upgrades. um and And most of the concerns um can be simply addressed by instructions ‸ there. And so and so again, you know there's a level of comfort working at a place for a certain period of time. And then uh things change. Like there are uniform requirements.
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that they're going to have to get used to. But I think the promise from the sheriff's office is that all 11 uh people ‸ will be considered. um And again, when you look at pay and benefits, um I think this is as good as you all, we all. we can we can do for those employees under a unified system that we know is coming, either mandatory or we have the ability right now to jump on voluntarily. so
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know, that's what I have written down. You're absolutely right. All 11. This is a rarity when all 11 can still maintain their, you know, JS job security. Plus the conditions and the requirements and there's an enhancement too as well for them. And that's the beautiful thing about it because it, my thing is being proactive instead of reactive. And this is a great time, a great opportunity, as you all stated, a substantial savings.
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Motion to approve.
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we need to me here from the esquire what were you saying? esquire Yes, ma'am. I got your motion.
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the authority to to go and negotiate the transition of dispatching services to the unified communications uh center and ‸ unified dispatching uh through the Brevard County Sheriff's Office. And so I will bring back to you, there's uh ‸ interlocal and then there's another agreement. What's the other agreement,
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What is it? yeah So
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back and put in front of you. And so you're giving me permission to go and work on uh transitioning this uh function from uh the city of
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And then once all that's worked out, you'll have a date. Yeah.
And so, and so again,
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Okay.
We have a motion on the floor that reflects the comments of the city manager.
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Okay. Before I call the question, I must hear from the public if I'm not mistaken, because you all taught me that last time. So, so, so before I call the question, is there anyone in the audience that would like to address this particular item for the UCC? okay Come forward, state your name for us, please.
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just have one question. My one question is,
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is the backup for the Unified um if something happens there that is similar to what
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about what
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is cloud-based And so, and so, you know, people think the cloud is actually the cloud. you know So, so, so the ability to have what happened disrupt that is, is, uh ‸ you know, it can't happen because, but because again, their systems ‸ are in the cloud, if you will. Thank you, sir. And I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to be, you know, evasive, but, but again, their systems are in the cloud and less likely to have happen
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they're, they're required, just like the city was to have what's called the coop plan, a continuity of operations plan. We're all required to have those. And the sheriff's office has one. Those are not forward-facing documents, obviously, but the sheriff. That was part of our coop plan. Their coop plan is different than ours. So they have a coop plan that addresses instances of if this happened, where would you go? What's your plan say? So those are all part of that system that they have. Thank you.
Chief.
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All in favor of saying aye. Aye.
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ayes have unanimously.
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Mitch, we need to go back to the other presentation.
Yes, sir.
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Can you
sit, ma'am?
Yes, sir.
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Mitch, we're on ‸ that code of conduct slide.
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So, again, as we roll into your listing of priorities and have you all have your discussion on priorities for the next fiscal year budget, I will remind the council that I just need direction of what the council's priorities are. And so I always throw this at you because, again, your code of conduct says you guys will act collectively. If you give me an individual list, that really doesn't give me much direction in terms of developing the budget. Let me, before you all talk about your priorities, let me talk about the latest news that we got on Stradley. And so
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So four septic systems.
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‸ That was a question.
Yes. So it was the football and softball concessions and the maintenance building.
So three of the four failed.
So that's right. That's correct.
And so three of the four failed. And so you have an immediate need. Because, remember, you assigned out two million for the septic to sewer, which was going to take some time. And so you have an immediate need of,
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Yes. So the quotes came in. And for
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is much less than previously estimated. So
32, let's just round up to 50.
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No. It's just, it's the standard septic. So you spend 50, you've addressed the sanitary needs at the park. And so do you spend 50 and that takes care of your immediate needs, I guess, midterm, short term, maybe long term needs,
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And you don't have to answer that tonight. But I do need permission to proceed with the replacement of the septic systems, even if you guys come back and say, no, we still want to pursue sewer.
Okay.
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So can I ask one question, if I may, sir? We said three of the four. I'm just looking at that fourth one. How bad of a condition or? Right.
You might as well go ahead and do ‸ them all.
Absolutely.
Okay.
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Thank you.
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that makes it, what you're pushing that up
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So ‸ another question that I have, because the drain fields are so old, especially on the football side, that drain field is probably definitely a failure.
No.
It's not?
No. It says drain field passed wet tests. So they're good.
So when they say, well, I don't want to get into the detail, but.
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and pumped it to the. You probably don't know
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maybe later on. I want to know what they did.
Okay.
Because I just. It's been there for a very long time.
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also the county had done some upgrades for the for the motors as well. So ‸ it does say the pump motors are working and in good condition.
Okay. All right. So the next thing I'll have is if that football field is failing, season is going to start. I guess the next conversation would be, are we providing, which I'm assuming we are.
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best thing for out there.
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And so what does that look like for us dealing with? They have no septic. They're going
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Yeah. We, we, we'd have to look at that, work that out with, with the county.
Okay.
You know how that goes. So,
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can't use the bathrooms, these are bathrooms also, right?
These
are, these are, yeah. So if you can't use the bathrooms, obviously we're going to have to provide something.
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our part. And so we're, we're going to be on the hook to provide the, uh, those services.
Okay. I'd rather have something comfortable.
Well, they, they, look,
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I was, you know, and they
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Absolutely.
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So we'd have to look at that.
Okay.
Yep.
Yeah. Because once upon a time, we had a concert down here.
We
let them,
you,
yeah.
Yeah.
They had
the kind of, uh, I think a couple had air conditioning.
Yep.
They do.
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‸ Right.
Right.
Restaurant
facility. Absolutely.
They're, they're nice. Okay. Oh, that was it.
Okay. So my question is, um, so the failure, is that what was causing the issues, uh,
with
the backup? And so ‸ that is fixed. Is that not a long-term solution? Well,
it
is as
long-term
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as septics last.
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So
did we, uh, re obtain a, uh, quote for us, uh, advanced. ‸ We don't have points for how much that would cost.
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It's nice.
Then they're, they're not required to do advanced septic,
you know,
because it's not getting to the river,
you know, to the lagoon. So it has no bearing on the efficiency and life out there.
Well, yeah. So there's no, no real environmental, uh, concern here. And these are used seasonally. And so it just makes more, you know, cost effective, you know.
I'm basically, I'm trying to see if we can have a long-term solution here and avoid
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line. So, yeah, what's, what's the,
Abby, do you know what the life of a septic system is?
It's 30 years.
There you go.
So maybe that's something we should consider too. Uh,
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explore that.
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if we were to run a line out to that park, what does that mean for that neighborhood? That's right there. That's currently all those houses are on septic. Are they mandated by the state to at some point hook up to it?
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I don't think they're in the, that's not in the BMAP, so.
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and also
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believe, unincorporated, correct?
Yeah, if you, if you, yeah, most of that is unincorporated and if you're not in the BMAP, then you're not required to go to, um, sewer.
Okay.
Um, my question, uh, uh, timeline, uh, maybe I missed it. So how long, I mean, it sounds like you're not having to replace the drain field, just the tanks, which is not a lengthy process. I've had that happen many times on homes that were, that were, had to be replaced before they could close. So what timeline are we looking at to get those tanks replaced, especially if the
motors work and
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all that? I mean, that's just part of the system that's having to be replaced.
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But,
uh,
I do expect that it would be a, uh, you know, not, not a, not a lengthy project.
Yeah, it should be quick.
Yeah,
it should be.
Yeah, because Friday we've got graduation and so those, we're going to have to have something out there if the bathrooms can't be used now. Well, that's, that's, that's. ‸ I thought, oh, I thought you meant over on the, okay. No, so this is Stradley. Okay.
Okay. Yeah,
‸ I
think, ‸ I think when I said games, that might have been you all. So when I said games, I mean the youth football games.
I got you.
I got you.
I
apologize.
So, yeah, I mean, if, if all it's going to take is 75, uh, to replace those tanks, let's do it and get it over with and done and be good. Um, and that's part for, I mean,
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but for right now, it's one of those where it's going to fix it for now and for 30 years.
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by then.
So,
Abby, I do 75 for four. Okay. Is that a good number? Yes. Okay.
And Mr. Witten, just for clarification, the funding for doing the septic tanks is coming out of the 2 million that was in a signed fund balance or separately?
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Thank
you.
Okay.
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Thank you.
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put, so we're in there. The 2 million was a pretty good estimate. Yes, in my
conversation with the utilities director, he felt that that was
a
somewhat reasonable
cost.
See,
you know, the issue with the conventional septic system is it's not designed for a sporting event. I mean, even in my own septic system, I have to be careful not to do too many loads of laundry in one day. I mean, they're very sensitive to that. They're also sensitive to rain inundation. You get a rain bomb over there and we know that area doesn't drain that well anyway. So, those are going to ‸ continue to be issues and whether it even has a 30-year lifespan will be questionable under those conditions.
But,
what is the motor? You said there was a motor?
Like a
grinder. A pump? Correct.
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Mm-hmm. What does that do? A grinder motor. Oh, okay.
To pump out
your stuff. That's a form of advanced, isn't it?
No.
No?
‸ It
doesn't have any treatment. It doesn't have any treatment for the pollutants.
Yeah.
‸ So, we have to do the short-term. We have to have some sort of facility in the short-term.
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and we hope that there isn't a big flooding event. I mean, they basically,
they're, you know, they're not going to work after a flooding event.
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Maintenance. Well, I mean, it would be really nice to get the advanced for, not the advanced, to get the sewage. Because we have been approached,
at
least, Linda Graham and ‸ her assistant in the planning department with the county, have talked about how they could get that area on sewer. In fact, they were looking at using some of their funds to do that. I think they were thinking more of the properties that are on the east side of Clear Lake because those are probably in the B map.
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We have a sewage system. You know, we have annexations. Obviously, it's not an area that is going to bring in a lot of revenues right now. But with a train station just a mile up the road, that could be an area of prime development.
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to be for us. So, I'm just throwing that out there. The long term. Well, I guess on the one side you have, you put 75k into it now. Is that what you estimated?
‸ Yes.
So, 75k into it right now. Problem solved. ‸ You can use the rest of that 2 million for whatever we're going to use it for. But, ‸ you're probably going to have an incident within the next couple of decades. A rain bomb or, you know, they have such a crowd there that the system backs up again. You know, long term solution. I'd really want to know what the county has in mind for sewering that area because they were looking at that. And you haven't heard anything in regard to that.
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Services. And I think they're talking mostly about grants.
‸ The
ability to go out and ask for grants. And so, but again, yeah, we, I
mean,
we've not heard anything from the county with regards to sewer.
I
don't think they're even considering that.
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I just can't be thinking.
To me, the bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. Yeah. So, so I would say, and if y'all will not make the motion, I will make the motion.
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but I'm looking at really for the next 30 years to see how that area will grow and develop. And what other additional opportunities. So, I'm going to just stick with the $75,000 and I need a second to invest in that area.
I'll second with a quick question.
Go ahead, sir.
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What would we do with those funds? Would it just roll over back in the general fund or are you going to hold that for a future project?
Yeah, ‸ that's a five person discussion. You know, the remainder,
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You guys now have an opportunity to reassign ‸ the difference.
Your discretion. I'm okay with, well, this is just my recommendation. I'm okay with at least keeping a million set aside for this project for any future opportunities in case there's some grant opportunity opportunities that come available.
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‸ Can I ask a question too? Sure. That's a perfect question. Yeah. And I too would like to see the sewer put in, but I feel like right now septic we have to do. I don't know that advanced septic would handle it any better with ‸ this situation than ‸ regular septic would. Because right now we don't have to replace an entire system.
If
you go to advance, you've got to run electric. You've got to have all that stuff out there that you don't have to have just replacing these tanks. So if we just replace the tanks now and then continue to look at possibly doing sewer down the road, that would be my thing too. But as far as the current motion, I think that that's the wisest thing for us to do.
Okay. Can I just say, and I'll vote for it too, if ‸ that is a consensus. But I do want the notes to reflect, you know, the opportunities for the long term and annexation, that sort of thing.
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at $75,000.
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Total $75,000.
Yeah. Oh, so then I just take a hundred, just
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Yeah. That
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enhance that area. If we're all saying the same thing, that's what I'm with. Yes. ‸ Okay. I'm glad for the point of clarification. I was just thinking $75,000 per tank because of the size of volume. Yeah. I would say allocate the remaining bonds for the future investment of that area. That's what I would like. Yes. Yes, ma'am. That's my motion.
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Okay. Okay. So I'm
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the rec partners and or the city to make sure these septic tanks are pumped out properly in the proper time. ‸ They don't really get the schedules to county and or city to say, hey, look, this week we have a huge game. It's going to be 2,000 people out here. And if that tank hasn't been pumped out in eight months, regardless of what we put in there,
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have issues.
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‸ I
will say that I have been told repeatedly over the years that if a tank is operating properly, it should never, ever have to be pumped because the bacteria in there, when you pump it, you pull out all the good bacteria that is working. That's why a septic tank works. So it's not something that you want to pump out if you don't have to.
Unfortunately, that's true if you're using it in a home.
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every day, normal walking people, ‸ it's a lot different than what we
yeah
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But I'm sure that these are tanks designed more for that line, too. I'm just saying it's worth making sure that they actually have to be before we kill all the good bacteria.
Ms. Morgan, can you elaborate on any of that, what we're talking about now? Because we have to take baseball, softball, and football, put it all on that.
‸ So the idea is to have these conversations with the vendor and take their recommendation for ‸ future maintenance.
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is a specific performance standard, but ‸ we have performance standards in the agreement that the parks and rec staff is supposed to be abiding by. Now, I ‸ don't recall ‸ if it says once a year the septics are pumped out, but we'll look at those again. And so we, because we got to make sure we're holding them to the letter of those agreements there.
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cleaning bathrooms and cutting the grass. I don't know if, if a septic pump outs were one of the performance standards. ‸ You don't remember seeing that. Okay.
Okay.
I
just wanted to throw that out there.
I want to take this. Okay. We have a motion on the floor.
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Ma'am. Sorry. Thank you, ma'am. Chair, I'd like
to
close this portion. The council over to the public.
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Calling once. Calling twice. Chair returning to council. Chair's going to call the question. All in favor, but saying aye.
Aye.
Any nays? Ayes have it unanimously. Who seconded?
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quite a
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young fellow. Okay. City.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And so what we did at the last meeting, you all either submitted or articulated your individual priorities.
And
so we just threw them on the slide here for your further discussion or direction to mean in terms of the council prioritizing these or some other priorities. But ultimately what I'm asking is, is that as we go away and build the budget, I need a council priority direction.
And Mr. City Manager, the other item on the agenda is the high school donation.
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what Laura sent to you.
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we talked about signing out a certain amount of money to pursue acquisition of certain parcels.
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that is at the ‸ end of Dixon, as you head west on Dixon. And again, we're in negotiations with D.R. Horton for the bigger piece across the right away for a donation of that. And so just thought for future park possibilities, it'd be nice to get this piece. This piece is delinquent and it's a payment of property taxes. And so June 1st, there's a tax certificate sale that's occurring on this.
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simply to authorize staff to ‸ acquire the tax certificate on this particular parcel.
So...
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Well, you're just paying the property taxes.
Oh,
okay. Did you...
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But
there's also a rumor there's a city truck in there somewhere because it was so wet at one point.
Yeah. Correct.
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Okay, I need to hear from the audience. We do have a motion on the floor by a councilor.
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So I can make sure we got an input. Okay. Chair, I'd like
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close my portion of the council. Please come forward and state your name for us for this particular item.
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West on Dixon Boulevard.
How
big is that parcel? Yes.
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One across is five acres and this is a little over one.
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I don't know. Yes, ma'am. Going once. Going twice. Chair, I'd like to close the portion of the project and return to the council. We have a motion on the floor. Any discussion?
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Aye. Aye. It's added unanimously. And
so, Mr. Mayor,
let
me, this is not an overnight thing. And so, so the tax certificates are sold to pay off the current year property taxes. And you don't get to a tax deed sale until probably, I guess you can call it two years. Yeah.
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So, but again, for, for a long range, uh, planning of, of a park site, I think, I think this is a great, uh, great start, um, especially with the D. R. Horton property. That'll come back to the council.
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us to convey that. So that's, there's that, uh, talk to you about various other parcels. This is the, this is the, the, one of the two parcels
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And I think, um,
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activity that can be generated in that park.
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there. So that
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Uh, that's Kentucky. And then the park is just north of that. And then this is the second lot.
Yes. So
this is that second
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And so, so again, uh, with the designation of the dollars, I think what you gave me was permission to just go simply pursue the acquisition. Of, of, um, of those parcels. Obviously any sales contract, any deal would be, uh, brought back to the council. And then, um, this is a parcel that is right adjacent to, uh, Stradley Park. And I think Mrs. Morgan wants to acquire this for, is this stormwater?
Correct. Right.
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And so those, those are the property acquisition pursuits.
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I did it good this time.
No 747 in
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event at provost to kind of give us a snapshot on what this regional
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really can do. Um, but it's limited because of the parking. And so we probably
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We had girls flag football going. Uh, we had a 22 team, uh, three on three basketball tournament going. Um, ‸ we had also the, um, the Hispanic, uh, soccer league going at the same time. And so, um, it created a lot of traffic, which was great, but it did cause that was just, just one of the photos of one of
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And so, um, it was a great turnout. This group here, they're from satellite beach. Um, great turnout by the bar that we had.
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that's the north side of provost.
Uh,
so this was all like the parking. So you got people parking all over the place.
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Um, and ‸ so on the other side is where the, this, the rugby side. So
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the west side of provost park, where the rugby field is.
Um,
you only could go, but so far, cause the ditch down on the end and another gate, um, where people parking and vacant lots, they weren't supposed to be there, but nowhere else to park. Uh, this was two or two of the other teams that, uh, my team is on the, on the right hand side.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And we lost in the championship triple overtime. Uh, just, just some old photos. Uh, this was
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basketball tournament. Like I said, 22 teams came out, uh, for that. Um, so I believe, um, this is a great opportunity to, to provide some more parking for, for this park. It has some great potential. We've done an awesome job,
um,
pouring in dollars to this park. We have the new pedestrian park, uh, crossing that the F dot is doing right now. Um,
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Remember what it was six or seven years ago. It was not this. Um, and so I think it's a great opportunity for, for us to, uh, make this investment on, on some more parking. Uh, yes, both are for sale and the city manager has been in conversation with them for maybe a week or two.
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Two different owners. They look the same, but it's not. That's a commercial piece on the front. And people,
we don't want them to know that we're trying to buy it because then they want to, I think it's all.
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Both combined are, uh, over an acre. So, so it gives us, uh, yeah, some space to add a number of, uh, a number of, hopefully a number of, uh, parking slots there and council on weeks. They're always asking too much.
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Okay. Now I got a question. If we decided to make this move, which I'll be in support of, um, I'm just thinking across the street on that west side, where the road is inside of the gate,
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Is that several acres too as well? Yeah,
the west side that that's 15 acres.
Yeah. So, so, so to me, that will be, um, inclusive for additional parking for future reference. Yes, I want to say yes, sir.
Well, if you recall,
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uh,
city manager brought up, um, possibility of a mini pitch on that side of the road.
I
mean, that was last year.
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Mm-hmm. Yes, sir. Well, the west is the, would be multi-purpose fields. Multi-purpose
fields, right.
Right. So the west, the west, I think in the future of the west, I wish we had a picture of it. The west could be multi-purpose fields.
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parking. Yeah, do parking. That's, is that Jackson?
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it.
So I think you, you have enough to actually do parking inside the gate, for lack of a better way, to, uh, and still do two more two-purpose fields because, you know, again, it is, uh, it is, uh, 15 acres over on that side.
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Y'all know, there were dudes in us, we always
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because they would have never, and I think even everyone has, even, uh, they've ever gone. And all council members, let me
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there. And a lot of people don't, do not think that we're, that part will prevail. They think that in a few years it's gonna ‸ go from,
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That's a lot. Because we're gonna ‸ make sure that this
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is properly maintained and is properly, uh, scrutinized and used quality discernment to protect and preserve. And we can all, I like the demographics, the diversity of the demographics of that.
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God's children participate there. And it's imperative that we maintain that level of integrity. So we have to be futuristically speaking so that we protect and preserve that community but also the park. So all of our kids, because we're cleaning our park up ladies and gentlemen. Continue to silence the crannies. Why? Because they do not define who we are. We must continue to
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That's why I believe in this park. And it's gonna spread to the other parks. Rest assured. Rest assured. Now, um, let me ask one more additional question. With the park. With, I mean, I just would like for that west side to have a strategic, nice game plan. So within the next year or so, ‸ year and a half, at the max. Because we can get ‸ them all over and running. And
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be a revenue services. All I want to make sure are Cocoa Dollars stand Cocoa.
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Lacrosse, soccer,
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is, so just kind of
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the youth side of it. There's nowhere else to go that has three to four fields to play on. Only the other one is midnight
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the next one is
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So, this could be an income generator down the road if City Cocoa
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the park back over. I think at one time people like myself wouldn't want to rent
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facility at the time because it was ‸ such a bad shape. But now people are seeing what we just did. My phone
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last year about the possibilities and what it could look like. So I just wanted to mention that.
I think it was a great idea, sir.
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mean, again, the demographics, you know, it's cross-sectional. I
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I think it's in favor. It could be a rare, right, a generator for revenue. And I just
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to try to keep our dollars open.
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That's all. But yes, I concur.
I concur. So do we know what the park is bringing in?
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mean,
is there a proposition
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‸ And now that goes
back into a general fund.
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I mean, they got the rec partner and, and, and again, so the, the county isn't making much off of it.
The
county will ‸ tell you that they're, they take, they take in, they put in more in the city of Cocoa than they collect through the special taxing district. But, but the whole, the
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They're always looking for, um, preliminary rounds, um, playing surfaces, you know? And so, and so, you know, if you, if you set this up where you have two multipurpose fields,
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got to have facilities also. You got to have, remember we just talked about bathrooms and things like that. And so you got to have the fields and the facilities so that you become a sports complex.
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acres of property. Now there are a whole lot of trees on it.
But,
um, so. So, so, but again, as you look towards the future, I mean, you know, um, provost
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council. All I needed was the tax, uh, certificate.
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interlocal?
Yes, sir. Okay.
And so recall that on, I think it was last Tuesday, um, you did the assigning of fund balances and you did 150 towards athletic improvements at, uh, ‸ Cocoa High. Uh, this is the interlocal agreement that, uh, that affects the, uh,
uh,
the, uh, 150 are actually puts in place the, the agreement and the mechanism to get the 150 to, uh, the school board for ‸ those improvements. It's the same, um, form and, and, and format as the previous interlocal where you contributed for the track, I think that was. And so that's just a markup of the previous agreement.
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Um, and it's the 150, um, towards the, uh, construction of athletic improvements at the, at the high school. Um, we, we specifically talk, I think about the scoreboard, um, in here. And so your dollars would go towards the stadium scoreboard. As I understand it, they want to do much more than the scoreboard. So it's the scoreboard. It's the, um, the pole vault pit. It is, um,
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And I can't remember off the top of my head all the other improvements there.
Beautiful.
Um,
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this contribution going towards the scoreboard. It's the
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And so, and so in section four, 4.1 talks about your contributions. Um, 4.2 talks about, you know, them giving you credit for your contributions in terms
of
publicity.
Uh,
and then 4.3 talks about the school board's contributions. And it says, uh, I'll just read it for the public. It says the school board acknowledges that the intent of this interlocal, uh, is to cooperatively invest in the athletic improvements to the benefit of cocoa residents, businesses, and students. As such, the school board intends to share in the cost of the athletic improvements. The school board will pay the difference between the city's contribution of 150 and the total cost of athletic improvements. And obviously the school board will plan, design, and manage the project. And so this is the agreement for your consideration and approval.
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And Sue was actually the one who actually just simply marked up the agreement.
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the scoreboard. And again, those things listed, uh, and I just can't remember off the top of my head.
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Um, I'm re I'm reading an email from her.
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know we've been ready to be there,
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Friday? Graduation.
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the concrete or leading into the, um, locker room.
Yeah.
I think you all were there. I know you were there.
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So my thing is, is that, um, continue to, you know, collaborate, communicate, so we can get the fullest cooperation from them.
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um,
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Um, and I know we will do the right thing.
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know they will do the right thing.
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I'm a firm believer in that.
So, so,
so
Mr. Mayor, let me, let me give you what she gave me in terms of the video scoreboard. Um, and so the actual scoreboard itself, the equipment and install is $231,965.
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The sound system, um, is $12,000. And she says, she lists that as estimated cost to schools, additional costs.
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So that totals $271,674. And then she said the pole vault pit costs are estimated at $30,000. So,
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improvements that they're looking at.
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She said that this is an estimate from a recently priced project. She anticipates needing similar electrical upgrades. And so I think it's the same as at Viero.
It's
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Nobody else.
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And so there's a few things I would like ‸ for a county
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So there's a few things ‸ I got this example from the satellite. Satellite came to the table with dollars. School board came to the table with dollars. Community partners came to the table with dollars. And
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of that it made the track for example because the citizens came
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the track for walking
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exercise.
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so it gives um if you're going to take the citizens the dollars it'll allow them to have the opportunity. It could be a certain amount of hours or I don't know what that looks like.
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But that way it makes a true public private partnership. The next thing is um allow nonprofits
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least two or three events per year to waive fees for them to have access to the facility.
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It could
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whatever that
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and use a facility again some more buy-in because there's not many cities that are doing what we are doing. And so we are taking citizens money to do this which is great. But school board we're going to do this allow that to happen allow nonprofits to have to take advantage of this opportunity, and then allow citizens to possibly use it for walking out
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school or whatever the case may be. Just the same way that satellite um allowed their citizens to use it.
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school board.
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events. It could be three four different nonprofits that come in and use the facility for make
it
available for maybe four four per year. Uh ‸ the next one would be allow uh community members to use it for walking running exercise.
Um
I don't know the hours that satellite high allows public to come in but I'm assuming it's not doing school hours. It's probably out the hours um but they do allow that opportunity on Saturdays on weekends to for the citizens to use it. So that's my two acts.
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That's that skin in the game. They're coming to the table. We're coming to the table and allow allow the community to benefit from this opportunity as well.
I don't know that you need to identify the number of
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events but just that you know it be available could potentially schedule a non-profit.
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it takes that away from them so they don't try to pick and choose. So if they if they if we tell them five that's five non-profits they must hit. Or
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But maybe we give them that number.
I have some concerns about that. Okay. Okay. That's the reason why. Just yesterday what took place at San Diego? The shooting. Correct. I'm looking at safety and security because being accessible that's why they limit the number of people coming onto your school property. Accessibility. That's my concern. You're going to have to provide if you open it up to the public then you're going to have to provide security and safety. I think it's different when we do provost park compared to a school because the school is going to have reservations about that.
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mean I mean it's just
Satellite does it. Satellite high school doing it right now.
Just because they do doesn't mean it's right. What I'm saying is satellite field is not like our field.
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to the school. Cocoa high school is actually in a better situation because it's across the street from the high school.
But you're still responsible because see ask Principal Stewart what would be her response.
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going to be happy she's getting this money.
‸ But yeah but there's stipulations to it.
I
mean accessibility. That's what I'm saying to you. If they have a special event there that's one thing. But to mandate them to be forced them to have that open it to the public. I think it's going to need collaboration from not only just from the city of Cocoa and your non-profits but it's going to take cooperation from
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can't just walk onto the campus. Just think about the entrance. That's why you get all these metal detectors right now. You go to any one of
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They have metal detectors. I'm just saying don't force them on that. I think in the future maybe we can sit down and have that conversation.
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any facility. I think it will be well that way.
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They don't allow you to walk home publicly.
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accessible to that park. And it's safety first. Safety first and foremost because you want to protect the
interest.
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Just like ‸ you were at Provost Park this weekend. I mean thank God we had our police presence there. You're
going
to have to need security there. I
mean
that's the reason why I'm just saying before we just jump out there and make that command.
Let's have that conversation with any principal.
With any school because when you come into the heart of the school. Safety is first and foremost. Churches, synagogues, temples, mosques. I'm just saying. That's why ‸ even at my university we had concerns. And you know what took place at. South Carolina State what took place at. Florida State. So that's the thing I'm saying to you is that we have to be mindful.
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But first and foremost is safety, safety, safety.
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to their track for public use. Right
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pull in their campus right now. And they have a rotating gate where you go in, you walk in, you use the facility. And ‸ again it may not be doing school hours but when those hours are over the public has access to those fields. So ‸ I don't know. I understand where you're coming from though. Absolutely. But I don't agree with especially when you can have access to other schools.
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So what's happening right now.
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But it's happening currently.
I
just want you to know that.
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Let's be honest. Location, location, location.
We got a safe community.
I said we didn't have a safe community. I said location, location, location.
I
don't
agree with you Mayor.
Oh okay.
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And they got an
open track.
They
use it.
They have an open track.
I agree with you.
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School.
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That's my only point. We,
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the
same breath of
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Security, safety, security, safety. And I don't want to be the first. And we don't know. I would like
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survey from Satellite Beach High School. Just to see what they've encountered. I agree with
you. How
do they manipulate the system so that they can provide that avenue of accessibility. Okay. But I think that should be a caveat that we will negotiate potentially in the future.
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I
don't know. You do. But right ‸ now, you're one person. That's fine.
So
I just, ‸ I'm rolling with the 150. I think all of us in agreement. I'm pretty sure it's going to be unanimous across the board. I just won't.
I
think that's fine.
We've come to the table more than any other city in Brevard County with less dollars in our budget. And we are ‸ committing ourselves constantly to Cocoa High School because we love those kids. We love the faculty. We're going to, but the school board has ‸ much more responsibility for a property that they own than we do. All I'm asking is for access for our citizens because the money is coming from them, not us.
We do have a track that's open. That's driver's ed code where the JB players practice at.
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a track there where they can just be isolated and walk around that track. Just like Kennedy Middle School has a track there. And that's all I'm saying. It doesn't have to be in the stadium. I'm just asking that we just give the opportunity to hear and
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And if she's okay with it and she has a protocol and a game plan, then I'll be on board. But I haven't heard from her. I have not yet heard from her. I would like to hear from her because she is the one that is responsible for that school.
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They're
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And that is the reason why
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Sir? You know I do my due diligence all the time.
I know, but I'm just saying, give her input. She's not here to
elaborate.
Okay. That's all I'm saying.
So you can have the conversation.
I'm going
to
have it at night. I definitely, I'm in support of it. Um, when we lost Kennedy track, that was one of my places I used to go.
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a lot of green space and our recreational areas for our citizens. Um, Um, I think that would be a great idea to have access. I know I hear from a lot of people. They want more public access to some of our facilities throughout the city. Um, how we go about that conversation, speaking with Ms. Stewart, I can't see why she wouldn't be in support of it, uh, especially with what we're bringing to the table. But I think it's imperative that we have ‸ public access, access to that, uh, stadium.
Um,
if she's more receptive to the track feel across, um,
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I mean, if she says that it will be better, uh, for her, then I think I ‸ might be more inclined, but I just would like to hear from her.
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I just
don't know how safe that track is because it's, uh, it's very dated. Um, ‸ I don't know how
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it. ‸ Give her the
opportunity to tell us, sir. That's all I'm saying. Can I?
That's a
rubberized track we have at Copa High School. That's why they put all those tarps on the floor. I mean, on the, on the track during that time. Yes,
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Just give the opportunity to elaborate. If she's on board with it, then I'm, I'm in favor of it. But give her the opportunity to, um, elaborate on this. But if you put a mandate on her, then, you know, it's forcing her to do it. And I don't think that's straight ahead.
But go ahead. Yeah, can, I was just gonna ‸ say, I understand your concern about safety because with a stadium, there's so many places where somebody could get in there and hide, uh, for, you know, and then school's in session and you've got somebody there that, when you've got an event, you've got people there who are keeping track of who is coming and going, and they're checking after when it's just wide open. It's not just a track. It's, it's an entire stadium. And there's, there's so many places there that for me, um, that I would be concerned about the safety aspect. Yeah, it would be great to have the track open, but
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with, and you know, the bathrooms, I mean, there's all that,
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all those areas up underneath the stands. And, uh, I don't know,
I,
it just would bother me that,
um,
that then the school kids come in, and, and they're there, and you've got people who are, um, hiding out to do harm. And that's why they don't let anybody into school anymore, because they can hide out in there. And, uh, I just think of my, you know, my granddaughter at the school there, and
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And, um, and the art,
I
mean, there are groups that are there early and doing things at the field. Um, and it, it would not have been checked over properly, uh, probably after it's closed to the public. I just, there's a concern there. Yes, it would be great to have it open, but there are, it is a different animal at a stadium than it is just a track at the other places. So that's my, that's my concern.
Can I just make a comment? Um, well, last Christmas, so my grandson is in track. He's going to play track for North Carolina State next year.
Good.
Um, so when they're visiting, he needs a place to, and of course it was all locked up. And, you know, that and people that like to walk, it's just, it's an opportunity. It's an asset. It's, it's a resource. It's something that increases the quality of life in Cocoa,
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So I know
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you know, whatever security concerns, I'm sure like locking up bathrooms and that sort of thing. Same thing we do in our parks.
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into public places. Um, but if, you know, we can work this out to her satisfaction, I would, it would be really nice to have that available.
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the conversation.
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we approve this now,
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We can't. Right. So I think we all in agreement that it's going to be, we're going to, we're going to approve this, the dollar amount for sure. So if we cannot amend the contract, if we approve it now, we have to table it. We, we all.
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I mean, if it, you could, if it wasn't signed essentially, but you know.
I'm not saying amended, but why not later on start the conversation and then do a whole different additional agreement to allow.
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like to see done and, uh, versus strong arm. I don't
think it's strong arm. I think, I think, look, I'm texting her now. So what I'm saying is we don't know until we ask. Right. So
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this conversation with her as well. So he's more comfortable with it. And so I don't have a problem with that at all. But if we approve it now, then we, I do want to make it
contingent
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because I do know how much money we have put at, put out for Cocoa High School. I do know that.
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I know we are, but I think that has to be a caveat to this.
I don't think you go to a dealership by car. And then after you have the agreement, you ask for upgrades and tent.
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Yes, you do.
And ‸ I'm going to be honest with you, y'all. The security and the safety of it.
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That's out in the open. We got public sidewalks that go from right there
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all the way going west to Range Road.
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Please, let's secure this first and foremost. Don't, don't because of your wanting to have contingencies deny the kids from the opportunity. I
know you're going to spin. Yes,
right, man. But you spin it in your way.
You
spin it. You spin it the wrong
way.
That's a fact.
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You're doing it. That's not right. It
is. Well, that's what I believe in. That's what I'm
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But that's not right. Because I just,
I just, but I just said that across the board, we all know we're going to approve the $150,000. Then
chair lady make a motion to approve
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And I need to say.
With, with, with, with conversation with the amendment.
No, we can't amend. We can, futuristically speaking, yes. Because then she may want you to use the, the track, if that's available, across the street, west of the, excuse me, east of the gymnasium. There's a track right there and there's a driver's head course right there to his window. What would be the
incentive
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come back to the
table?
It's the only, it's the
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Because that council at that time forced the hand of our current, of that, of that past city manager.
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You're not, you, you know what I'm getting at. I'm not, I'm not arguing that point. I think you got to understand what you're trying to do. But that's not, you know that's not what I'm saying. I
know.
You know, you know we're going to pass that. You know we're going to pass $150,000. I know you know that in your heart.
Let's go ahead and vote. ‸ Well,
if we're not going to agree on the public access, at least agree to the non-profits being able to benefit from this particular, the $240,000 that we are now putting towards the stadium.
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‸ If I would walk away from the conversation about the public access,
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based on us allocating over $240,000 to Cocoa High School.
Which they would require security.
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access.
So you want them to be able to have a whole event.
Absolutely.
They
can't do that now?
Yeah, but they're getting charged.
So
what I'm saying, we're coming to the table with.
Oh, I see. So right now they're being charged.
You
want them to be able
to
have
free access, five non-profits, whoever that may be, to be allowed to use the facility at no cost based on the money that we're bringing to the table.
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Non-profits
do that.
They pay for it.
They pay for their own security. You just said
free
of charge.
So free for the venue, just for the venue.
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Okay.
Now if they have to get policing, that's different.
Okay.
At least, at least the venue cost will be taken care of. I
got you.
We got, we can't just push money out on the table and then not have anything come back to the citizens. That doesn't make any sense to me. You got to make it make sense.
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not come to the table with.
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That's all, that's all, that's the only thing I'm asking. I will walk away from the public access. No problem. But at least have some negotiation on that part.
And
I will walk away from the first part.
If we don't get the revenue from that
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Because wouldn't that be the county?
Correct. Yeah, but we also are, are the entity that's coming to the table with $150,000 to another property that we don't own?
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You know, that child could be good, that child could be bad. All I'm just saying, don't put the stipulation on it. Give them the opportunity. If
we don't do it now, it's not going to happen. What?
Well,
let
me say it this way. Charity starts at home first. I trust the decision of our principal and our school board members.
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Because they got to approve it themselves.
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Yes, they have to approve it, sir. It has to be approved by the school board commissioners. Dr. Brandell has to submit that request to the school board members.
I agree with you, but you know like I know, the fact that we're coming to the table with $150,000 to a property that they own, them allowing five non-profits, five events to be for a free venue that might only cost them $5,000 and they're getting ‸ $150,000 upgrade from the city. You telling me that they won't make that exchange?
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Quick statement. What do we stand to lose by putting that stipulation in agreement if the school board doesn't agree to it, they just don't agree and it comes back? And then at that time the council could amend to say, you know, take those stipulations out.
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putting those, putting that in agreement.
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I'm
just saying still give the principal the opportunity.
But you, if you don't do it now, then the opportunity is being lost because you're approving the contract right now.
The principal has the final say so in reference of what's feasible for the school.
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The school
board has a vote on the contract. She's not here. Go ahead. We have a motion
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We've exhausted this conversation. I think
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exhausted every avenue. I have a motion on the floor that we have this contract with the Copa High School in reference of ‸ $150,000.
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And
that's without any amendments, correct? Correct.
Not amendments, but again, we can go to, we can then ask if.
They're not going to come back.
In your
case, and
I hear what you're saying with the five, you know, five nonprofits to be able to not be charged.
That's
right.
That,
that is a reasonable ask of the school board. Um, you know, again,
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revisit. They
won't.
Well, I can hear, ‸ but they may.
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you wanted to go.
Okay.
That's the problem.
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we'd like to close this portion
to council over to the public. This is crazy. It's okay to be crazy.
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I, I understand both sides when it comes to public access to the park. Um, I think the concern I have is really accessibility. Um, ‸ because when, when there are football games, don't people park at the school in the gates? So if the park is open after hours or whatnot, where are people going to park and how is that going to be worked out? That's the thing I worry about. So if it's open to the public, where are people, how is it going to be organized for people to actually gain access unless it's just going to be for the people in that neighborhood that are walking ‸ distance from it? So that's my concern. I think the public should have access, but how do you make that happen considering parking and other issues in the area? That's my question.
Normally at a football game, as you already know, that's why they have police officers there. Yes, sir. Um, and that's a large volume of people. And then we have the principal there and her staff,
and
the custodial staff, teachers, etc, etc. We have the people there.
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Yes, sir.
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We have a motion on the floor by
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Chair's going to call the portion. I'll be figured by saying
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Let the record reflect there is two yes, three no. The three dissenting votes is councilman Goins,
um,
Deputy Mayor Goins,
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amendment to the contract to allow five, I
will
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take it down, four,
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Just the facility usage, not anything additional, not police, not fire, not security, not just the venue alone. Second. Yes, just, just. So,
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and then
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Is that what you're telling me?
I mean right now, currently anybody can come, you can rent the facility at any high school in
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I can go rent a high school in Atlanta, Georgia right
now.
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So you
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it to another location?
They're gonna
buy here,
they're
gonna
shop.
Doesn't matter man, but they're gonna take your dollars elsewhere. We're gonna take the dollars elsewhere. And we've dealt with an issue like this once before here
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And we know the outcome of that.
And we know what to do. I give you this example. If somebody from Orlando decides, because Cocoa has a great track facility, they decide to
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And they are taking money
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for police officers,
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Then
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all the people that are participating in the event. They stay in that hotel, which we're gonna ‸ have soon. They're gonna ‸ be getting gas, they're gonna ‸ be getting food. They're gonna be, money still is gonna ‸ be coming back to the city.
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into that part of it. When
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So
even though, ‸ when you rent the facility, the money's going to the county anyway. It doesn't come to the city of Cocoa.
It's
going to
the school board.
But the school's inside
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the ‸ Cocoa, you gotta pay for the lights,
you
gotta pay for security. Absolutely. You're gonna pay for that. Yeah, but
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what
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No, no, I
said
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just the venue.
Do you use the track?
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Was
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there
a
second? Yeah, a second. Yeah, you get motion of
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table,
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I understand. Okay, so, so in other words, the school is going to incur
costs
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and that individual who may have a non-profit organization that's
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get that dollars and take it elsewhere. How is the school benefiting from it?
Just, just
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Okay,
I got you. Okay.
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Cocoa. That's the benefit. The other benefit is, in majority of the
events
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that I'm talking about, where just say for example, they have a, I think like you, you was a part of one of the events that they did in the basketball tournament.
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Kids versus the cops or kids versus whatever. They may have to get an officer. Now that money goes to the city of
Cocoa.
So I'm saying, venue only, and they separate the charges. The venue may cost $500 or $800. They still have to pay for janitors, lights, et cetera. But the venue itself,
the
money that goes to the county,
that, that
portion is
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All I'm asking for. And I know it's not going to be, if I said four, even a full day at a football field, 10 hours, it's still only going to cost you less than $1,500 to rent
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that it's not important to me really, if it's four or five times or whatever, this starts the conversation. It also acknowledges that we are, you know, we're guardians of our citizens' ‸ tax dollars. And that, you know, this being their facility as well, that we'd like it to be accessible. And maybe they come back to us and they say, no way, can't do it.
Right.
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And this motion is to approve the original agreement, but
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Okay.
Thank you.
Okay.
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We don't have any additional presentations. If the Council wants to give me some priorities as I go, as we go into budget development, we'll take those at this time, but as far as the presentation, I think we got through everything we wanted to present.
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No, I need for the Council to give me their priorities. And so, and so.
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So I got a question.
And I do too.
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I
mean, would you like for us to do our same district priorities. Would you like for us to make a motion every time ‸ each district is finished on that particular, those items on our district?
Yeah. However you guys want to get to it.
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listings, then. I mean,
I
just don't know how ‸ and so what's one and what's number 10 in terms of priorities?
Well, can I say, now, some of these really aren't even that expensive or they're maybe already
included.
One of the priorities I would like may be a part of the stormwater plan or, you know,
we
haven't, we don't have, you gave me a list the other day, particularly after the development that we approved on Dixon and Indian River Drive. There is a scheduled, we actually have scheduled to upgrade the embankment there. I'm assuming that's what it's for. Embankment stabilization. Is that for the Dixon and Indian River Drive?
No, it is not. It is for the areas south of that. It's even further south of the curve. Mm-hmm. So you're talking
about on the bluff
word
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That's correct.
Okay. So do we have any plans for stabilizing and hardening that area that we know is flooding every year? And now it's going to have that development on it?
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Yeah. Uh, no, not at this time.
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bank and then the lagoon is level with it. So building it out like we did the other area that, you know, the development. Um, you have no plans to do that?
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So
is this the appropriate place to talk about stormwater?
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What you have is the... I
guess public...
Capital
plan, right?
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‸ Ten year. The
ten year, that's right. It's the ten year. So it's a plan. I mean, again, year one may be funded, but that's just
a
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capital plan. So those are all plans. I wouldn't say you can ‸ consider any of that funded in there. That's an expression of needs, I think.
Okay. And so the Dixon and Indian River Drive is not a need or just hasn't been identified, I guess?
Well, I think... This
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all up to.
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Yeah, I think it is.
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much... What ‸ do you do in terms ‸ of the flooding? Remember the project that was the raising of the road? Mm-hmm.
Um,
and so... And so that right there is just a simple stabilization of the roadway, right? Wouldn't be the shoreline. Is it the roadway or shoreline? They actually have to.
The project for the elevation of the roadway...
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of the one that she
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That's correct. It is
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Mm-hmm.
Yeah. And so when we talk about the roadway, Abby, I mean, when you talk about mitigating flooding in that area, that's a significant project that, again, once was... ‸ What the consideration was the raising of the road, but absent that, you don't have any project that's seawall, etc.
That's correct. Would
they
rip the...
Does a
baffle box help? I know we discussed
a
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baffle box or something like that in that area at one point. Does that not give us any benefit?
Um,
they decided it wouldn't give us benefit. That's correct. That's
correct.
Because it is so... The water is so high that the baffle box wouldn't actually be filtering anything.
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have to line up or be in line with the J&K project? I'm sure you wouldn't want to start tearing up the road and doing construction and you have the J&K project. There's
already sewer there.
Okay. Oh yeah, in that location. Gotcha.
‸ Yeah, let me... ‸ What issue
does that
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I mean, it splits.
It's in his, but people in my district use it. Of course,
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drives down that road and uses Dixon
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Well,
here's what we'll do. I mean,
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I mean, she can put a project in the 10-year capital plan that talks about mitigating flooding in that area, raising of the road, seawalls. You can put that in the plan, it's going to be millions of dollars. ‸ But again, it can go in the plan because you never know what funding is going to come down the pipe years from now.
You
know, so that's ‸ capital project planning that you're not going to fund next year.
Okay, so...
But
it should be in
the capital plan.
Yeah, do you have an opportunity to do that or is that another conversation or... ‸ The issue is ‸ the flooding has been getting worse. The water issues have been getting worse. There's better progression. And, you know, right now we have a drought, so things look pretty good. But I don't know how we can see that the road is impassable anywhere from three days to three weeks every year and not acknowledge that, you know, it takes some mitigation. Which backflow devices...
Yeah, I think we have acknowledged that.
I
don't... I don't... We don't deny that when... When storm ‸ events, uh... Um... Rain events, that that road floods.
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um... To the 10-year capital plan.
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you know, and...
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That that that doesn't...
I
mean, again... So that's, I don't say easy enough because Abby's doing the work and whatever consultants, but... But again...
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budget to do that.
So
you're saying it needs to be in the 10-year plan, not in the council priority for next year. Is that what I'm hearing? I just want to make sure I'm
yeah because
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Because it does
need to be addressed.
When
we say priorities for next year, you're saying stuff I'm going to look to find funding for. Gotcha. Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, and so I was just looking at these,
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We know that at least breaks it up a little bit. We know that... Or makes it a little higher even. Um, and then the backflow devices that I provided you.
Yeah, Abby, Abby, you want to talk about the riffraff and... ‸ What that does to the... I mean, it... The water still is coming...
Mm-hmm.
A-shore.
Yes. It's just not
washing out the shoreline. Now talk about
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So... So... In order for those... In order for those, uh, duck bill valves to actually be effective, Uh, you would need to ‸ delineate, uh, you know, the area or, and the number of outfalls where you would need to install those. Uh, so that you don't have a situation where you just install four and you have a surcharge happening at another location and you have the flooding issue that is not being addressed.
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I mean, I see where the flooding is every year. So, you know, we know it's those four or five houses on the south side of Dixon that take the brunt of it. And now it's escalated so that there are a couple houses on the north side as well. So it's a pretty specific area, the low-lying elevation. But obviously this isn't
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Yeah.
So I'm glad to hear that we're looking into that at least.
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There is,
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Uh, ‸ Washington.
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But if
they say it's such a long street, a lot of people are, if they put that and they think they're right or left turn.
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Um, and
the
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next thing, the question I have, this is probably from
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So I know the ship fund is certain. Yes, sir.
Um,
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that
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help?
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Uh, it's, it's part of the city's contribution if we, if we so, uh, deem it necessary.
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But if we do, we just have to notate it in our files.
I know we're not where it used to be. And so in this,
is
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kind of going a lot, even though we cleaned it up a lot. I'm just, the attorney department,
uh,
did a good job of that. Because we don't have a lot of funds in there.
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157,000 this year and next year it's 155,000, I believe. We haven't received the final amount yet for 27, but I believe it's 155.
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we don't receive a lot of funds. A lot of homes in our communities. We always talk about property
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Boynton.
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is going more than likely has a project as well.
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The only way to do that is we've got a paint program front and diamond square. Uh, and I think the next thing is to have more funds inside of the, uh, repairs,
you know, about the state program that they came up with, which is why I think there's less than the ship funds where, uh, and, um, I sent it out to a lot of my, uh, homeowners that I knew needed repairs.
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do. The money went quick, but there was millions of dollars in that. And, uh, I tried to
think of the name of the program. ‸ My brain's
checked out, but that's why I think we got less locally because there is a state program for that, for hardening your home. Uh, ‸ you can, and I have people who got that money
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to fix up their homes. So that's why there is a state program for that very thing. And they are putting more in it, millions more into it.
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So per the governor. So just so you know, there is another program.
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a very strict program as far as applying for it. Yeah. And it's, it's not easy to get the funds. So you have to qualify for it with certain, there's certain criteria for those programs.
Yeah. But I know people who, who followed the thing and, and got it and
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uh, and
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that. So just so you know that there is a state program for that very thing. Okay. Um,
what would, what would a council be against adding any funds inside of the repair program?
I
guess that's my question. Deputy Mayor, my only
question I need to ask the attorney actually is because the ship program is a mortgage at the end of the rehab. It's anywhere between five and 20, depending on the dollar amount, the city would be also enlisting a mortgage with that. And, and as long as that's something that the city can do, um, on top of the ship dollars,
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I don't know
that he, I don't know that, I mean that,
that,
I didn't hear him say that. Right. But I mean, are you saying that again, they, it couldn't be a, it
could be a grant.
We
would have to identify it as a grant,
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but they would have to have criteria such as staying in the home for a period of time.
So
currently
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years, they have to pay.
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given general fund dollars,
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uh,
against the
ship. Okay. That is correct. I got ‸ that's okay for conversation. ‸ Okay.
Yeah.
They're gonna be, they're gonna be. Mad about that.
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in there. So I got that for Barbara Jenkins, got the South Carolina, the scholarship.
I
was talking about that the last meeting. Um, and the, the only thing, this is not a, um, anything dealing with the budget, but a conversation that I've been having probably for
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year or two ‸ dealing with the diamond square and some of the inconsistencies dealing with, uh, multi family, um, lots and some of the areas where inside of diamond square, you have, um, 19 to 20 multi family, uh, units. And currently right now that that's, it's not allowable, especially from the nonconforming ‸ lots. And so, um, I don't know if that's a proper conversation for today, but I, I really, if we don't have it, and then it's just gonna ‸ keep, you know, not being where I think, I think it should be.
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diamond square currently.
Yeah.
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I got you. But,
but,
but, you know, remember we do have the, uh,
uh,
down the corridor, we do have the same inconsistencies between
comp
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um, and, uh, zoning that we have on, uh, on the four corners and also within diamond square, we have a lot of inconsistencies, um,
on
the, on the zoning and the zoning code there.
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to actually, I think that would go towards doing some sort of the same process for.
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a zoning, more of a planning, more of a visioning, um, process that we need to go through. And, and Kristen is a planning expert too. And so she could talk, she could talk about that, but that's, yeah, that, that requires a lot of meetings and some vision.
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square,
um,
‸ CRA in on that discussion. And so, um, yeah,
could that be something that we add to the, the,
uh,
diamond square board meeting?
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staff. And I think, I think what you want is, is some sort of, um,
because
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I forget what most of, I mean, Kristen, you know, off the top of your head, what most of the zoning allows over in diamond square. And we talked about, I just can't remember it off the top of my head.
Yeah.
I
think it's mostly RU-17.
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No.
Multifamily,
no. What about duplexes?
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Okay.
So that, that's where the problem lies. That's the process. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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got so many lots that the new houses is getting built now, um, that they're only using the, you know, the front 30, 40% of their lots. And they have, uh, you know, maybe 80 feet behind the house of just grass. And a lot of, a lot of developers are asking that question. Hey, look, we could, we could bring multiple more families in the community if we are, we would be allowed to, um, have duplexes and
or
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triplexes to match what's already there now.
And those would be where people own, not rent. Own. Which is again, a good starting point for folks. Yeah. Well, I
just, I see it in Palm Bay.
Yep. That's what, that's what's going on. It's a, it's a need. That's why the townhouses in my district, I'm so happy about. So what,
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Okay.
And let's just say this is the street and ‸ you have, ‸ I mean, you can only use so much of the lot.
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saying
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Yeah,
right. Right.
I don't know how multifamily
helps you in that.
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probably be more probable than it would be a lot that has a house next to it. But some of these lots, um, like for example, it's like, it's a lot on a Wilson street and, and Barbara Jenkins, where that lot is, you know, almost 110 by, by 80. And, but that, that
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And next to it is another 60 feet, 70 feet that could have possibly been used to bring another family in as a duplex. So that, that's where it is, it is a lot of inconsistencies.
And even
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‸ So, yeah, you turn it that way and you have duplexes.
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So,
yeah. Yeah. So that's, that's why I brought that up.
Mayor, can I be just excused for a few minutes?
But I'm good. That's all I had. And okay, what I gave, do I need to do anything? ‸ I don't want to not do it right.
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a motion for speed humps.
I
don't need to make it, I don't need to do that. Well, I mean, the, the, the,
you guys have a speed hump policy. Right. And then you can exempt yourselves from your policy. Okay. And I'm assuming that's what you're asking. Absolutely. ‸ Right. And so, so I would, I don't even want that power. I'm not,
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The rest of the council, you guys have to make a motion to actually exempt yourself from the speed hump policy to install two speed humps on Barbara Jenkins. Okay.
Where on Barbara
Jenkins?
Um, one in between Fisk and Blake. The other one in between Blake and Washington. What do
you
mean?
Fisk?
Fisk.
Yep.
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Fisk and Blake down Barbara Jenkins.
And
then one on the corner.
There
you go.
Well, it could be in, ‸ well, she'll, she'll determine where that is. Yeah, I'll let, I'll let, the hell of that ‸ part. But one in between Fisk and Blake and then the other in between Blake and Washington Street. Wherever the engineer says it to go.
You know,
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and people are not going to be happy,
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Well, he's a.
No, no,
no. It's a, it's a true.
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But on Blake, there are the kind that he wanted.
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Yeah, I ‸ get you.
The
speed cushion. There you go. Totally different than a speed home.
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is it called? Speed cushion. To put two speed cushions on Barbara Jenkins, one in between Fisk and Blake, the other one in between Blake and Washington Street.
That's
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corner of Blake, he's talking
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Oh, no, not, not right there. Before the, before the, in between the stop signs.
So, you've got stop signs and now you're going to put.
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If there's a stop sign.
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be another one.
Oh,
I'm sorry.
That
makes
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Right. I just, you, you can't speed hump everybody to death. Whether it's a speed table or whatever, it's just, to me, it's going overboard.
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‸ There is a school. And a church. Two of them. Trust me. And we have a citizen that lives on that street that's in the room too as well. If you would like to have them speak as well. He would love to speak because he's an attorney.
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public comment anyway, correct? Right.
There was not a second yet.
I think I almost got one. Almost. He getting close. Okay.
Going once.
Going
twice.
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Oh, you're
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Sorry.
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In the second.
But
did you get the motion?
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Okay.
‸ You
want to get input from the engineer as well? Okay.
All
right. All right. We have a.
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the second
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What's the motion?
The motion is to add two speed cushions at
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Okay. Is that part?
Yes, ma'am.
Okay. Open the floor for discussion. From the council to the public. Esquire.
They
already called your name. Thank you, sir.
You know why I'm here. So this is the reason why I put my public comment card up. Just very briefly. I'm the
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I live on [address].
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Um, and I watch the traffic pattern change once the Dollar General was built. And so there are a lot of people that come to the Diamond Square District that maybe don't live there and that aren't aware of how many children, school-aged children, are in the area to come and patronize the store. I don't have a problem with the store.
I
like to walk down there and patronize it myself. But, um, it's caused traffic to come in going 50, 60 miles per hour. And there are a
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that bike, and that ride their scooters on that street that are in danger as a result of the change in traffic patterns due to some of the building in the area. So, I would really appreciate it if you would consider just two speed humps or cushions or whatever you call them. Um,
uh,
on that street. Because of the Dollar General, it is very necessary. Thank you.
I
have a question. Don't we have speed bumps?
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There's three on Blake and there's two on Washington. Washington is, how long about, I don't know how far.
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Yep. On Washington Street is...
Just
to say, I don't know any neighborhood that doesn't want them.
I agree. ‸ But the problem is you can just overdo with them. I mean, to me, you just cannot keep trying to control everybody by putting
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You
just... There's a thing called police and speeders and all that that needs to be handled and not just throwing speed humps out there everywhere. My two cents on it. I
agree.
I agree with you.
I got you. You know?
‸ Yep.
Yep. Only, my only, um, revolting to that is that I'd rather be proactive than reactive. If something happens and we don't do it.
You can say that in every neighborhood. We have people who run, who drive right past the school buses with the, with the things out everywhere, all over the place. You know, you can't... I got
you.
Anyway, that's just my two cents on it.
We're gonna call the question. All in favor of the speed cushions on the designated slide, say aye. Aye. Nay. Nay.
Aye.
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We ain't there yet. Hold on.
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Oh man, don't look at him. I'll leave him
there.
Aye.
He's sweating.
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Thanks for next year. I
know,
I
know, on, on,
on,
on Barbara Jenkins for a fact, um,
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So, I would say yes. Thank you sir.
Just
stay right there. Now,
I
do not want to saturate, um, ‸ I think that's enough. Yes sir. We'll come back to
the table before.
Every time he says no more and then he goes again. God bless you.
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Be good.
Okay.
District 2.
Alright, so, District 2. Um, a lot of my priorities, somehow we've already been able to cross it off the list.
Council member.
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So,
the park near Dixon, uh, staff has already taken a look at that. So, we can go ahead and, uh, not worry about that at this moment. However,
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council received, uh, this initiative that I've been working on.
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Um, we talked about this probably a year or two ago. Um, I know a council had agreed to it, but, uh, when I went back and look, we never made a motion to move forward on it.
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packets. What I'm proposing is allocation of $12,000.
Uh,
the grant would operate as a, uh, 50-50 matching grant,
uh,
provide up to $3,000 per applicant. Uh, and those funds would be allocated for, uh, beautification of a home. Um, it's only for exterior, uh, either landscaping or either landscaping or exterior paint.
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as well, but it can't be the sole improvement on the property because you're looking for something to really, um, uh, show. Uh, you want to really bring up the neighborhood, uh, increase, uh, property values. Yes. This has been one of the biggest complaints that I've been hearing from D2 citizens. Uh, they want the community to look a lot better. And this is one of the ways that, um, I did some research and I figured we can help assist in that. Um, some more of the criteria is you have to be the homeowner. Uh, you have to be occupying the home as your primary residence, no rental properties. Uh, ‸ the property, uh, a way that we can fact check and make sure that these citizens are the homeowner and living in there. They would have to show their homestead exemption status. Uh, it would only be for single family homes, no duplexes or apartments.
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2000. I think those that pretty much provides for our most, most of our houses that's in need. Um, you can't have any outstanding property taxes, uh, owed, uh, mortgages, uh, no cocoa utility bills, uh, this overdue as well as no active liens or unresolved code enforcement violations. Uh,
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be towards homeowners 60 or older, uh, priority given to the
community.
Those that could demonstrate a financial need. As far as how we would pick these, uh, recipients, I would like to give that authority to the city manager who designate, would designate the proper staffing to review the applications. Um, ‸ and then once there is a list, uh, a list compiled that he would present it to the council for our final approval.
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out of some of the funds that was left over from the Juni Rios project.
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So we got to utilize that money, uh, and do it and, you know, use it for a great cause.
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So, you know,
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but I'm, I'm hoping that's not a big ask. Um, it is for a good cause. Uh, you guys ‸ been to my town hall meeting and that was one of the things that, you know, some of the citizens was harping on.
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Uh, so, uh, I invite council to chime in. If you think it's something that can make this initiative better, uh, so we can approve it, make sure that it's running efficient. Um, and it does what it's supposed to do. I welcome those comments.
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Um, so you grab your microphone.
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of fund balance and fund balances for one time, um, costs. So if you want to do the program one time, one year, um, I can review the fund balance policy that's approved by city council. Um, otherwise we need recurring revenue to support an ongoing program.
So my last two bulletins, I stated that,
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And then the next bulletin each year after that, um, obviously we would have to identify another funding source. I didn't know whether that's general refund or, you know, I was hoping you would give us best recommendation for that. So it can be a reoccurring, uh, thing. Uh,
what did, what did
you do?
Would it, would it be possible to do it as a,
um,
you know, do it the first year and just kind of evaluate the results and the interest?
And,
you know,
because
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you're looking at, you know, maybe the 3000 is too much or not enough. I don't know, but, um,
absolutely. I'm open to it. That's why I, um,
open
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it up to the council
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this was just a starting point for the conversation, but that is a great idea. This, like you say,
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or it may be too much. ‸ So I'm open to that.
And we may not
be
satisfied with the results or we could really.
Ms. Charlene. Yes,
sir.
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It includes the pressure washing of the house prior to painting, which the paint company does that. And then they provide the paint and the supplies and it's up to the homeowner to paint the house themselves within a year.
No, is, is the diamond squares grant? Is it a matching grant or it's just.
No.
So one of the reasons I put matching,
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I felt like it kind of, uh, it,
it.
It kind of, uh, gives the homeowner. They have to put some skin in the game as well.
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uh, following through with this. So, um,
well, we, we do the same. I mean, we don't actually pay the money to the, the property owner. We pay the paint company for the ‸ paint itself and the skin in the game for the property owner is them actually painting their house. Yeah. They have to do the work. So that's the difference in, in that, um, program. And if they don't fulfill that painting within that year's time, then they could be forced to pay that money back to
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Um, that way, you know, the funds can be spreaded out as much as possible. We can reach as many people, uh, that's in need of this. Um, like
I
say, if they don't use the whole, uh, they don't utilize the whole grant, that money could fall back and someone else could use it.
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I don't think
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do that with, um, ‸ the square.
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No, they just have to live in the district.
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Well, I
put
it
as a, they
can get priority for it. They can show like, they have more of a need for it.
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senior citizens, they get hit with code violations or threatened with code violations. Um, but they don't have the money necessarily.
Um,
but you put in here unresolved code enforcement violations. So if they get violated, if they have code
violations, we don't give them the grants. They have to, they have to remedy that before.
Well,
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a lot of times they'll come and talk to me before they actually issue a fine. So that would put that
homeowner
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in a desperate situation where
they need to come
before
us and
that's what you grant.
So
we can't
get
that code enforcement,
uh, over the
finance.
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All right. So I'm done right now.
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If you get a violation and it doesn't turn into a,
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Right.
Whether
they, if they come to the code board and say, Hey, look, I don't have the funds to paint my house. And that's when the program kick in for that interview. Right.
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Correct.
You go with that. Okay.
So what I would do, um, for this, I would like to make a motion for the city manager to take this information here. Um, maybe polish it up a little more and bring it back before us, um, for a final approval, if that's possible. Okay.
I
think,
go ahead and put a mic to you.
Sure. Go ahead.
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The council is discussing, I guess that's
a motion
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council is
going to do.
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So based off the information that I submitted and the comments, you made a suggestion,
right?
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direct the city manager to, uh, take that information, bring it back for us in a more polished form for final approval.
Um,
I know if we don't make a motion, it's not going to go anywhere.
We,
we're just talking.
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I'm going
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leave.
To look at
his
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beautification grant information and return to council with.
suggestions.
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Okay. We have a second back.
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All
in favor, saying aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any names?
Okay. ‸ Three. Uh, yes. Um, a couple of
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this year. That was not on next year.
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Uh, one thing, um, that I wanted to bring up is the sign that is next to the fire station in district three, uh, the information sign.
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It's never on, uh, there. You can't read it. Something needs to be done with that sign because we just put your side or putting your sign over there.
Digital.
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You can't. Something needs to be done to fix that sign. So I would like to bring that up.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
The one right next door to the fire station on the.
Yeah.
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because
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we have mixed match kind of companies that did the digital signs. Uh huh. So she's working on that.
Because
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it's
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You can't see it.
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I can't do anything about the size of the sign.
Okay. So it's going to make it bigger. And stand up where you can see it better.
because
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right now I know it's not even working, but even still, you can't read it because it's so far back from the road.
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Yeah. It's, it's so small. It's, it's so far back and you, there's just no way to see the thing. Something in, if it's supposed to be giving out information about stuff where that's happening. And cocoa, nobody's going to know because it, you can't read it. It's too small.
Yeah.
Well, I understand, but it's still too small. I mean, your sign is going to be much bigger than what this one is and how, where it's at. So I would appreciate that.
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I, I know, uh, that
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um, all the bus stops that we have. I mean, you see them stopping constantly and, and you hate to see people standing out there in the rain. Um,
and we
need to look a little more at,
uh,
especially with the price of gas, more and more people are taking the, uh, buses. So we need to kind of look at maybe more bus shelters around the city and the bus stops, because especially the transfer stations. I mean, you'll see four or five people standing there in the pouring rain and I hate to see them with the little kids and everything else. So, um, that's something I would like to see, um, addressed ‸ as well. And, um,
can I say something? ‸ Yes,
sir.
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about the homeless first and foremost.
Mm-hmm.
As you already know, we have other municipalities that bring the homeless to our city. Just drop them off and leave. Let's be honest. Mm-hmm. As long as the home,
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directly
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And she called.
There
was a gentleman that constantly stayed there. We, we had the opportunity to address that concern. She thanked us for it. Um, and I'm just, just trying to make sure that they don't become permanent fixtures there.
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Well, I'm not thinking of with a bench, just a small sort of covered thing. Not necessarily. You think that they would.
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you can't lay down. Yeah.
Well, that you can't lay down, but I just, some sort of a cover there so that they've got something to stand under out of the rain.
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there, but somewhere they can stand.
because
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I mean, we're coming into the rainy season, so I'm just showing it out there.
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homeless to camp out underneath it? ‸ Some way, shape or form. I don't know what you can. I, I just would like to see if we could look into there's
got to be because
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you see bus shelters in other cities and there aren't homeless camped under it. So there's
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be a way to do it that, um, would work. I'm just saying, can we at least explore that,
uh,
something along that line? I don't know. Um,
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there in the pouring rain and you know, nothing. So I would just like to see that if possible, if there's anything that can be done. Um, again, I don't want to encourage the homeless to camp out underneath either. I, I know that that's an issue and you're right. They have the benches that you can't lay down on.
But they still do.
I know. I know. They, so I know. I, that's why I said not benches. Just some sort of a little covering of some kind that they can get in out of the rain. Uh, the people who are standing there.
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And, um, we talked about that. Uh, I want, I'm going down my list.
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The Cocoa conservation area that is not off the table. I still want to see us do some, a new entrance there. I know we talked about it with, um, uh, with the widening of 524. I know we're getting extra property, but there's got to be a way to do a second entrance because the people in Cocoa Bay, um, you know, that gate it's, it's been closed. Nobody knows it's back there. We need to get something out. Uh,
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needing a new entrance. And I'd like to see it off 524. Again, we looked into doing a bridge over the water. Um,
and
so,
um,
that for me is another priority. So I will stop with that.
‸ Okay.
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I mean, I know I've got priorities up there.
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Cambridge elementary school neighborhood, has lots of little kids and no park. Um, Ashley, uh, Ingram was here to, uh, advocate for that. Um, I know we're getting property on Dixon.
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Certainly not for young children. It's not walkable. So, um, looking at the, at least at the suggestions that she made so that we can, um, respond to her. Um, and then having some sort of plan. Um, even if we're not able to put up a new park, we at least have some sort of plan, um, for that neighborhood. And then, as I mentioned earlier,
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a high priority. And I'd really like us to, uh, do what we can there. Uh, that's all.
I have a quick question. Uh,
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Morgan gave me the folder with all of the different equipment that doesn't need to come before council. We already approved the amount. We just have to figure out what's going to go in there. Correct. Is that correct?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I just wanted to make sure I didn't want to overlook this and, and so, okay, great. Thank you. I'll be, we'll, we'll talk. Thank
you.
It
was capped at 300.
Yeah.
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No, I know that. Yep. Yep.
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Yeah.
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Yes, sir.
I
just want to say thank
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uh,
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uh,
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uh,
Mayor Blake
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Uh,
thank you.
I'm
saying.
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I
apologize.
No harm. No harm. No harm. Alright. ‸ Anything else for the betterment of this? You've been in quite a lengthy period of time.
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Thank you for your patience and professionalism.
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before
a second.
Second.
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Thank
you.