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With the census data, Justin Burke is the GIS administrator for the city and is the guru for all of the data ‸ behind the scenes and responsible for the dashboard that you see up there.

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and she'll be here assisting also. And we're going to have some assistance from the East Central Florida Regional Planning Council. Not at this meeting.

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just now.

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So they'll assist in the data... Marshall please. ...in manipulating the data as you guys see fit here. So going down the agenda, first order will be the selection of the chairperson, the vice chair, and then I'll turn the meeting over to the chair, whoever that is, to take us through the rest of the agenda. And so the floor is open for nominations for the chair.

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I nominate Alton Edmund. Second.

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I move to elect Alton as chair.

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Second.

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Second. Any discussion? No discussion. All

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in favor signify by saying aye. Aye.

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And I'll turn it over to you. And to you for

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the selection of the vice chair. Thank you, sir. At this time, I'll entertain a motion for or should we vote for vice chair, correct? I think it's nomination. Oh, it's nomination. Okay. So at this time, I'll

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‸ a motion or nomination for vice chair.

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I'll nominate Ms. Wiggs.

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I second that nomination. All in favor, please

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Aye. Aye. Any opposed? The motion passes unanimously.

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Now that we have our chair and vice chair,

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of the districting commission pursuant to the

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charter.

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council recognized under the city charter that has any authority.

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that this ‸ commission

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know.

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four members of council are elected ‸ in single member districts in the mayor.

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on the city council. Each member of the council had an appointee to this to this board and you

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And your job is to take a look at the single member districts that were created back ‸ in the late 1990s and make sure that those districts have relatively equal equal population total population. So every

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vote in single member district elections. The mayor's seat of course is not affected by districts because the mayor is elected at large. So the ‸ four single member districts affect ‸ the four council members that are elected in district elections.

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And so do we how do we incorporate those projections?

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Well, you're getting into the weeds a little bit, but I

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can wait. Yeah, yeah,

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that's ‸ a very good question. And basically we're going to be looking at total population based on the 2020 census data. And ‸ there is obviously going to be some growth between now and the next census and the next district and commission.

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how you can address it when we get to the nitty gritty. But for the most part, it's going to be total. You'll see that's total population based on 2020 census ‸ is going to be your guiding light in terms of making your making your decision.

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another map, the setting forth the boundaries for each single member district. So there will be some adjustments to the boundary that are going to be required by law, ‸ because since the last census, the population has changed. Demographics have changed.

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each of the districts. They've now been a little bit out of balance.

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in each of the four districts. ‸ So, you know, your ultimate responsibility is to prepare a report to the city council. And that report's got to contain that recommended single member district map plan. Your job is to recommend one plan and one plan only. Your job is not to provide alternatives to council, but to actually prepare a report with a recommended plan.

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and calculating the total populations within the geographical boundaries of the mapped lines for each district. Your timeline is the charter requires that you file this report within 120 days of appointment. And I can't recall off the top

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in a few minutes.

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Right. So the contents of the report that you're required to file ‸ with the city council is as follows. The district shall be equal in population except deviations are permitted as a result of applying other requirements. No deviation may exceed 5% of the average population for all city council districts according to population ‸ figures from ‸ the most recent census, which is the 2020 census. That's what I meant by it's 2020 census is going to be your guiding light. Another way to talk about the 5% deviation. When you establish the total populations in each district, you take the overall population, divide it by four, and you get what you call ‸ an ideal population or target population, which is each district being equal.

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And I put that in, put an asterisk next to that. While you have a target ideal population, the law recognizes that, you know, the populations may vary in each district. It could be a maximum of 5% above the target population or 5% below the target ideal population.

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a deviation of 10% maximum. Right. If you do 5% above, 5% below. So, that's a relative safe harbor that the courts have recognized.

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have to be compact, contiguous territory, and the boundary lines shall show street boundaries insofar as practical or possible or other boundaries available. That should not be that big of ‸ an issue ‸ when you look at the maps ‸ and the areas where, you know, adjustments need to possibly be made. Just keep in mind, you know, the adjustments, ‸ ultimately each district's got to be compact. You can't have these serpentine, can't redraw all the lines and have these serpentine districts. They ‸ probably wouldn't withstand constitutional scrutiny. So,

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you know, and there have been some annexations around the edges of the city since then, I don't think this will be that big of an issue for you all to deal with since the maps have been established for quite a while. The

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shall be based upon the principles of equal and effective representation as required by the Constitution. That goes back to my previous statement that, you

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residents need to be fairly represented because ‸ each resident is allowed ‸ to vote for their district council member and the mayor at large. So, you want to have those populations in each district relatively equal. So, you know, everybody has a fair opportunity, you know, not only to vote for a district council member of their choice, but also if they intend to run for city council, they have a relatively equal opportunity based on, you know, equal populations of each district, right? It would not be, you

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just general rules of fairness. If you think about it, you have one district where you have 100 people in one district and 10,000 in another, right? You know, the person who's, they get 10,000 people voting for one member on the council versus 100 people voting for one member to serve on the city council.

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populations in the districts.

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Districts shall comply with applicable provisions of the Voting Rights Act and any applicable court orders.

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federal consent decree order relative to the single member districts since 1999. And that does come into play. So, ‸ once you file your report, the council has to adopt a redistricting ordinance at least 120 days before the next city council election, which means what you do here is going to affect the next city council election in November of 2022. If the council fails to accept or reject the report of this commission, the report of this commission,

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That goes back to my prior comment. You cannot propose alternatives. You need to propose one map and one map only. Because it may go into effect ‸ if, hypothetically, the city council fails to accept or reject it in a timely manner. Now, when it comes to the council's ability to reject the map, the council is limited by charter to reject it for specific reasons. And that is if the map or the report that you filed doesn't comply with the requirements of the city charter or ‸ doesn't comply with other local, state, or federal law. So,

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this ‸ commission were to go out on a limb and ‸ blatantly propose a map that violates ‸ constitutional principles or other principles of law, the city council would have the authority to reject that map. But, you know, for all intents and purposes, if ‸ this commission does its job, and I have no doubt it will, and proposes a map that does comply with all the requirements of law, then, you know, council will have to act accordingly. And the maps, incumbent council members will continue to hold

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district boundaries. So, in other words, you know, this commission could not approve a map boundary that, you know, shortens the term of an existing council member and sends them out of office because they're no longer residing in the district they were previously elected.

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So, that's not the purpose of this

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commission.

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You can still run

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Yeah. Okay, thank you. But if the incumbents, if the incumbent from the specific district, the new district line, puts that incumbent outside of that district, they would have to run in the new district in which they reside, not in their current district.

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Awesome. Correct. They would be able to fulfill the remaining balance of their term. And then we'd have to sort out, you know, the district election under the new map.

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serve the remaining balance of their term. And then if they wanted to run again, they'd have to be in a district, right? They'd have to meet the district requirements and be domiciled within the district.

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So if, hypothetically, somebody was now in a new district and running for a new seat, does that reset the clock for term limits?

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I'd have to look at the charter on that.

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kind of outside the scope of this. But ‸ the charter addresses consecutive full terms.

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terms on the city council, regardless of the district that you live in.

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charter says. So, you know, there are districting principles. I mean, you just don't draw lines wherever or, you know, ‸ there are traditional districting principles that the courts have recognized that ‸ come into play.

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But, you know, like the compactness of districts, you know, maintaining communities of interest is important. Like, you know, ‸ for example, communities of interest. I mean, ‸ what comes immediately to my mind are subdivisions. So subdivisions, you have people residing within a specific subdivided community with declarations, a homeowners association. You know, that's a community of interest. You don't put your voting district line right down the middle of that subdivision and say, unless there was absolute compelling reasons to do so, and say, this part of the subdivision, you're in district two. The other part of the subdivision is in district three.

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when it comes to voting for city council members. So you don't do those sorts of things. They're very much frowned upon. So we look, you

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you all look at, you know, school attendance zones for boundaries, geographical boundaries like the river. You're looking at streets. I mean, those are all fair game in terms of drawing lines.

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minority populations in compliance with the Voting Rights Act. That is, that is an issue in COCO because of the, of the federal consent, ‸ consent decree. That

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prior to that, you

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mayor. But all five of them were voted at large, meaning they ran at large elections where every, every resident ‸ had an ability to, to vote for a count, for the election for each council seat. As a result of this case, the city council approved the settlement, which was ultimately upheld by the, by the court to divide the city into four single member districts. And the mayor's seat would continue to be at large.

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As a result of that, the charter was changed to create that single member district voting rights, you know, procedure and scheme. The original map was approved by the, by the, by the council and the, the plaintiffs in the court. And it went in, it went into effect. And I think the first election was in, in ‸ 2000, I believe, under the, under the new voting scheme. Now, um, the consent

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boundaries may be adjusted to account for shifts of, shifts of growth in population, provide an equal opportunity to African Americans to participate in the political process. And elect their candidates of choice in accordance with the voting, voting rights act is afforded. So that's a, that's a principle under the consent decree and under voting rights act, uh, law that, um, we always, we need to keep in consideration when you're, when you're making your decision. Um, let's see if the, I think that was kind of it on the, on the, on the voting rights. Um, do you have any, any specific questions on your basic responsibilities?

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In order to assist us with complying with the consent decree, um,

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um, specific minority communities?

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when I was

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demographic, but I didn't see anything that pointed or pinpointed specific minority communities. So that we could draw those lines and consider that.

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the last time this was done, um, yeah, the maps are provided. You will have also the demographic rep, you know, demographic legend. So you will see not only the total population, but you'll see it broken up demographically by district. This, I don't think this board, um, is intended to do that. This board is just, I think, intended,

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but the, the, the basic message that you need to get from the 2020 census redistricting dashboard is. Those are the existing boundaries of the single member districts. And based on the 2020 raw data of total population in each district, you can see up on the top represented in different colors, the total population for each district.

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Uh, the most populated

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When you do the deviation on all of this, and I'm not sure if it, yeah, there it is.

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It needs the, the districts need to be rebalanced.

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that's the first primary message that you, that you get from looking at the dashboard, that there is work to be done to modify the boundaries, to make the total population of each, each district as, as equal as, as possible and practical. And,

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show you what the demographics look like. Um, but it's not in a legend form yet. And it's kind of more of an interactive screen here.

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to follow up on that question if I may. Mm-hmm. Sure. So, it's my understanding that Mr. Burke would be capable based on the data provided in the census of creating a heat map based on ethnicity so that we were able to see the distribution of various populations across the districts. And that we could zoom into a very fine level of granularity if we wanted to.

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Yes, sir.

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And so, I think that we are requesting that we be able to do that.

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Is, uh, in a workshop type situation if we would say what happens if we move this line here or there?

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seeing here on this map, uh, the little sections within the map are actually the census blocks. Uh, I believe you have to move an entire block at a time, uh, into the new district.

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Like if you wanted to move a block from, uh, district one to district two, we could move that on the fly live and then refresh the dashboard and it'll recalculate the numbers for you. Excellent. Thank you. Mm-hmm.

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And just to reemphasize that point is that when you draw lines, not only, when you follow those traditional districting principles, which I mentioned like streets and geographical boundaries, you know, you're limited to capturing census blocks.

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know, a compilation of census, of census blocks to the maximum extent possible.

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That's the smallest denomination that the census bureau in terms of population and demographics provides.

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And I think the attorney just hit it there.

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Justin, the, the demographics are, are going to be as granular. The smallest you can get is the census track in terms of breaking out the demographics.

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You can walk around on foot. But, uh,

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is a much larger aggregation.

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Okay. So you can go to the block within the track in terms of the demographics. ‸ Just wanted to make, make that more.

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So a, a good example of that is census track 626 is primarily diamond square CRA area.

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The entire diamond square CRA is one census tract. Uh,

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then there's blocks within that census tract. So that's how you can adjust that. Now, diamond square CRA obviously involves more than one census tract now, but 626 takes up the majority of the diamond square CRA. So that's how we can identify the tracks versus the blocks.

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smaller, smaller blocks of each tract.

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Um, this

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What, what the term limits are under the charter?

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The term limits and how it's affected by, um,

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affects term limits, please.

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Okay.

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Mr. City Manager, who will be, uh, presenting as it relates to, um,

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item number three in the agenda?

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Um, that'll, that'll be

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And we sort of gotten into that discussion. So, so we'll mix three and four together if you don't mind, cause I think we can do it all from, from the same, uh, chart that you have on the screen there.

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‸ All about efficiency.

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All right.

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Um, what in terms of what your, ‸ what you, you, well, the, this, this commission, um, within 120 days of appointment must vote on a report. Um, and which is basically a new voting map, um, that gets presented to the city council.

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Oh, yeah. Each, yeah. Each of you have the same voting privilege privilege.

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Yeah. Just because the mayor, the mayor is

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large and he had an

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appointment, right? Um, that, that, that, that appointee, which is you have all the same voting rights and privileges as anybody else. Yes. On this commission. ‸ Got it.

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Charlene, I, I'm going to jump in. So if you want me to start, I can start there. The, uh, the, the overview of the, uh, existing single member districts and

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‸ If you look at your map, um, and, and you refer back to the, uh, dashboard, you know, what we are based on the, uh, the census data is, uh, ‸ total city population of

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Um, and looking at the, the dashboard, you can, you can see how that is, uh, divided.

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46, uh, 29 and four. And then, uh,

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and you can see the demographics, uh, by, by district, you know, again, those are all of the census blocks that, and that,

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make up that, uh, district there.

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the pie chart, uh, ‸ the district pie charts. And then you can see, uh, on this, uh, dashboard how the demographics of the district compares to the larger pie of the city. And so that, that, uh, you know, just for, uh, you know, just really statistical reference. So you can see how ‸ representative, uh, how closely your district or the districts mirror the, uh, demographics of the city. And so, you know, when you look at

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um, based on those numbers and if you just simply divided the 19,000,

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an ideal, um,

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population number of 4751 and, uh, ‸ .25,

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but just 4751. And so the districts are, um,

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um, an ideal population for the four districts would be that 4751. Obviously

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and, uh, there's

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um, on that ideal, uh, ‸ 4751. So, so that range, and you'll see has it on the dashboard there, that, that target population range is the 4513 to the 4989.

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or minus, uh, five of the ideal 4751.

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right now. And you can kind of see, just doing the math in your head, where, um, we need to get to in terms of moving, like for instance, on District 1, uh, to get to the 4751, you can see how far we need to go, uh, from that 4168. And

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Um, somebody do math on that real quick. So, so you can see District 1 is, um, under, uh, District 2 is a little bit over,

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over, but over, um, ‸ and then District 4 is just a little bit under. So you can see how the numbers need to move on the map. You can see, um, on the layout and how contiguous they are, uh, one to the other there. And so that, that has a bearing on, on, um, how you, how you, uh, draw the maps there also. Um,

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Um,

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on the, the bottom left-hand corner of the screen, there's the population 2020 where it shows, uh, basically the percentage of, uh, increase or decrease of the, from the previous, um, census.

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Obviously in District 2 and District 3, there's been ‸ substantial growth ‸ of population in those areas. So, the, the goals that we have here are to, as Stockton said, is to get within that range so that we have the 5% difference between the two.

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the dashboard on the top left-hand corner where the map is, and you can, if Rob could enlarge that, the map so that we can, if we pull it out, yeah. If it wants to cooperate.

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It's not. It should.

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There it goes. And if we just go into the areas, we can show you how the, the actual movement will work by block as we need to, to move an area. So, um, ‸ we'll take these two districts right here. This is 3 and 4 together. Uh, the blue and the pink. And that particular square in the middle right there where the 49 is, if we change that to, uh, another district, which would be District 4, um, you'll see how we, we change the colors, but it also will change the population demographics.

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with you in order to get to the calculation totals that we need to get to. And then we're going to look at the demographics as well in order to, to meet the goals that we need to meet, uh, through this entire exercise.

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essence, it probably isn't going to be a one and done move a couple of blocks. I, I, we anticipate that we can probably get this fairly easily with about five or six adjustments. We have been working this process ourselves.

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and in order to demonstrate it with you. Um, and two, to kind of crunch the numbers at the same time in order to get to that variance that we need to get to. So, so this tool right here will be something that we'll be using at each of the subsequent meetings as we move forward with, with you as members to, to get to that goal.

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the range that we need to get into. And then also the demographic numbers that we can, uh, to meet the consent decree, uh, goals as well.

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and, and get through this process in order to, to meet the numbers. And, and hopefully we can do this in one or two meetings

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The, where we need to get in,

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Anthony had asked earlier about the 120 day mark. We need to be able to have a report to council at the January 26th council meeting. So we're about just under 60 days out from that. And, and we can work through that with several meetings in order to get an agenda ready for the January 26th meeting.

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report somewhere around January 15th or 16th in order to prepare the agenda and be able to present it to council. So

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on the timing issue, I'm sorry,

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just jump in there, but I think it's worth noting.

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So, you know, is that the U S census data was late. It was very late. And, you know, state legislatures all over the country are scrambling now trying to create their, their district. maps for congressional districts.

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these numbers was not possible until late September, I believe.

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about the first week in October where we actually created the dashboard.

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And it was impossible to even have this first meeting to even talk about this because you didn't have the census data. So I

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to make that point.

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adjustments and, and those are adjustments of census

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not blocks, right?

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Census blocks. Those are

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blocks. So,

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to that ideal number of 47 51, we would only have to make five or six adjustments of census blocks, i.e. moving five or six census blocks from one district to the next district or another district to get to that number there. Now, because we're still learning

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the demographic profiles of change within the census, we got to do some work to tell you, well, how does that change the racial makeup of the districts there? But, but if you, if you, if this was an exercise just on, on getting to the 47 51, that's pretty easy because again, it's just simple math and moving five or six census blocks there.

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a jumping off point, Mr. Chairman. And

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commission's direction will be, okay, give us the, the, as a jumping off point, the map that has the least number of moves and let's see how that shakes out demographically.

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how that is affected or not affected by that. So, so that, that may be sort of at the next meeting, the first map that you want to see.

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But, but, but again, just to make that clarification that it was, it's really simple to get to the numbers there.

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other part of it is, well, okay, how have the demographics been affected?

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Yes, sir.

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was going to say that, uh, I'll just, I'll just say this first. It doesn't look like we're going to require a wholesale, uh, rewrite of district lines. It looks like it's more tweaks and adjustments than anything else to get to where we need to go to. And there are any number of ways to do that. And we match up the numbers and then, uh, a quality check goes back to make sure that it meets all the requirements. So that, that's what I see. I'm wondering if this tool is something that can be available to, uh, commission members to use between meetings so that we can, uh, work out some things in our own minds and, and look at some proposals and possibilities.

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Well,

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do you,

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do you, do

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want me to answer? Yes. Yeah. I, I, I know I probably couldn't use it. You know, just,

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planning council staff to, to do a quality check on us and we do a quality check on them. So, um, you know, I don't know how hard or easy the tool is used. I don't know whether or not you want to just, you want to send those, um, to staff in terms of, hey, move this census track, move this census track. Uh, that's a scenario that I want to present back to the commission at the next meeting. But we do need to talk a little bit about how that process is going to roll up there. Justin there, or Rob, you, you may want to talk about how easy or hard the tool is to use.

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What this tool is, it is a, an actual dashboard. So it's presenting the data as we have it programmed in to the GIS system. So you can't make changes to it.

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onto the map, you can drill down to each census block. Like if we look at this census block right here, you see it has 49 in it.

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So that's the total population of that particular block. So

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No, they won't be able to move the lines, but they'll be able to look at what's in each block.

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And

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then you can also see in here, if you look over here, the demographics of each block, you can get an idea of how you're affecting the demographics overall. What we can do, any changes to the boundary lines, we'll need to make on, on our end,

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and then we can represent that map to you. Okay. On the dashboard so you can see it.

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And again, Mr. Chair,

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you, you guys got to talk about how you want that to roll up because you, at each meeting, if you got five members and, you know, you could have a lot of different scenarios there. So, and we can, we can run just as many as you, as you guys can present, care to present. So, so each member, you know, wants to say, well, we'll move this census block here, and then that's presented to the, the entire commission.

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You, you may want to say, have all of those changes in by a certain period of time so that we can get it out in advance of the meeting, so that the commission can have an opportunity to review those. But again, that's left to your discussion and your, your prerogative on that.

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I, for one, would like to have dashboard access so I could, you know, come to a meeting and be ready to discuss some things.

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Okay. Um, it seems like our timeline is relatively short. We're talking about, between now and January 15th, we're talking about maybe a month and a half.

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And really, you're talking about a month if you incorporate the holidays. Right, right.

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And that's one of the things that you, Mr. Chairman, have to decide on how many meetings you want to do.

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be determined so that we can move forward with scheduling this and planning all of the activities.

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make the dashboard available to you. Um,

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that's the best way I could probably explain. It's not click and drag, but the dashboard is easily made available to you.

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what our perspectives will be.

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That's correct.

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Okay.

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So. That's the way I feel too. Yeah. So

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we should

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bring it back to the next meeting and say, well, I think this is what we should do with district four and three and move it over this way or whatever.

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But the ability to point and click is going to tell us exactly what it's going to tell us the demographics, it's going to tell us what else.

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It's going to tell you the block number, which will be important if we to know which block number we're moving. Right.

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because

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to move this square in district two to district one, we need to know the block number so that we can identify it and move it accordingly.

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And it makes it real clear when you're discussing it with the rest of the members of the commission, you know, ‸ we're talking about moving block is that 150?

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Whatever that particular

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block is 2002, I believe.

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Yeah. Okay. So whatever the four digit.

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It's the four digit behind the the 6 2 3 0 1

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And we do have the demographic data for that block. So you can see here it gives a total population. You know, the racial profile ‸ and number of residents within that block. And then we have all data down here, which is everything.

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So you have that all available to you as well.

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It's just again, you know, you can you can click and and it'll give you the information. Just can't click and drag a block to another council district.

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Yes. In order to ensure that we do not inadvertently create some preference for voting behaviors. I'd like to also request that we have an overlay layer of voting data.

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Lori Scott's department.

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Yeah. What do you mean by voting data?

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‸ Exact data are you looking for like who voted? ‸ Party registration

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and who voted perhaps in the last two to three elections.

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Anthony.

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Yeah.

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My reaction to that would be it's irrelevant to the task at hand. The how a person votes, whether they vote and the party registration is not a relevant factor in determining, you know, constitutionally acceptable ‸ districts. So it's not from a legal exercise. It's not. It's not useful. I mean, for other purposes, I guess. You know, I ‸ leave that to the person who would analyze that type of stuff, but it's for purposes of doing your job. I don't think that's that's a relevant factor.

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I would feel more comfortable if we assure ourselves that we are not creating some distorted preference or imbalance. And so that is my purpose and asking for this. Mr. Chair.

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Mr. Green. Mr.

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Yes, sir.

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One is that we are drawing districts that will be used strictly for voting for representatives to nonpartisan ‸ elections. So since we're selecting people in a nonpartisan election, what party affiliation any of the voters have shouldn't have any bearing on it. And, you know, that's just outside of the bounds of what we're trying to do. I think that the other thing is that our mandate is to find representation for populations, not for voting blocks. Every person, whether they are a voter, a citizen, a child, whether they can or can't vote for some other reason, whether they're disenfranchised, they still deserve representation. So we're not drawing districts for voters.

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any ‸ demographics regarding voting history, party affiliation, any of that. If that's something that an individual member is interested in knowing, it's very easy to do. I've done it myself when I've looked at the results of elections and what possibilities are and what probabilities are. All that information is out there. And Laurie Scott has all that stuff and you can pull it right off her website and you can develop it for yourself and then see. But I don't think that as a commission, we should be going down that road.

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answered some of the concerns that I have as well.

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Because our goal and objective here is population. Yes. So I just want to make sure that we stand in that realm of our responsibility. Follow up? Yes,

[00:51:58] Speaker 3

‸ please. I completely agree with ‸ the intention that we should be looking at population. And I hold that because we know the information is out there and because members may want to do that or may be influenced, it is our responsibility corporately as a body to be aware, be informed by that information and ensure that we're not inadvertently doing something. So that is, I still hold that we need that information to make sure that we haven't done something distorting.

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And my response to that would be that I know that I will personally be looking at that. I've already been looking at that. That's part of what I do and I know that's part of what you do.

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see any of that going on, then we'll wave the flag and call people on it.

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I can commit to you that ‸ in a spiritual way.

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But what I do think that we, that it is necessary for Mr. Burke to provide that data and that we see it and we know it, done, check, it's transparent, clear, all systems go.

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to entertain a motion so that

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we

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can request that it be included. If a majority does not, then it's excluded and we move on from it.

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motion at this time, Vice Chair?

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I move that we include voter history data as a check against inadvertent preference toward voting behaviors.

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Second. All in favor, please say ‸ aye. Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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am, I'm very much on the fence, um, because I understand both perspectives.

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the purpose for which we are here. This is about population, um, and fairness. Um, but at the same time, uh, I don't see how that additional information could, uh, could hurt us being able to make an informed decision. Um, and so in the abundance of caution, because there are two other members that are interested in including this information, I would vote aye as well.

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we can't legally, uh, include that information.

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Yeah, I guess I just need to ‸ drill down, like, inadvertent preferences and purposes, okay?

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you want to review, but when it comes to doing the maps, there's, there's certain information that you need to review. And you need to be cautious about drawing lines for, you know, inadvertently improper motives. For example,

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um,

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the floor, the U.S. Supreme Court has made it clear that, you know, when you use race as a predominant purpose in drawing district lines, it's unconstitutional. Okay? So, you can ask whatever data you want, but as you bring data into the decision-making process, they could impact whether or not, you know, this board is applying the appropriate, uh, criteria and requirements to draw the district lines. It could bring in questions of improper

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unlawful motives. So, I would caution the board about the information that you want to see for purposes of drawing the lines.

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on it. Uh, this information is available. And

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particular, could be making decisions based upon it without us being able to hear and consider it together. I would rather, um, that conversation, if it's relevant, to happen in this room on public record with all of us present so that we can determine whether it's appropriate or whether it's not. And if someone's making that decision outside of this recorded public space, then I think it's more problematic.

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And so that's why I voted to support being able to use that information and to discuss it openly so that we can determine whether that discussion is appropriate or not. Uh,

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because,

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uh, as chair, I think that, um, part of my duty is to, um, steer the conversation to ensure that,

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uh,

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we are making the appropriate considerations. And that is my intention.

[00:56:50] Speaker 6

Mr. Chair.

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Yes, Mr. Green.

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Points well taken. And, um, based on, it looks like the, the commission is going to vote to have the, the information available. Uh, now my question would be, uh, what's the appropriate timing to have that? And, uh, I would suggest that possibly to allay

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as to whether that information is used improperly to draw lines, rather than have that information upfront and use it as ‸ part of the deliberation to hold that information until the end and use it as a check at the, uh, so that after we've, uh, uh, gotten pretty close to where we think we want to be, that would be the time to bring that data in and just, uh, check and see if there's any red flag there that indicates that maybe some bias has been inadvertently applied.

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Madam Vice Chair, since it was your motion, do you think that's an appropriate compromise?

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I do.

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Um, uh, Mr. City Manager, I'm sorry, I've overlooked you more than once.

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the, the voting on the motion there, but, but again, I just need clarification because the motion was to, to ask the supervisor of elections for, uh, voting history data. I don't know exactly what that is. Give me, give me, I don't know. I mean, just to simply ask her for the voting history

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and I believe it was voter registration data that was requested.

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I, I believe that we said participation voting in the past two or two, at least two elections. Okay. And then we said, I believe we should look at, um, ethnicity and we should look at party registration.

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in terms of the

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last two or three elections and their

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party affiliation, is that appropriate? And that information would be available. Um, let's say at our last meeting. For a, uh, final check and balance consideration before we make a final decision as to the recommendation. That we would put in our report.

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Okay.

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Uh, Mr. City Manager, is there any more as to items three and four?

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You dispense with that, uh, that motion. You

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got to. Well, I,

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I believe that there was a vote. The vote was three to two.

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but there was a stipulation or an agreement, a modification of that motion to include that information only in the final meeting at the end as a final check and balance. So we don't need that information until the very end for the last meeting.

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I think we do.

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I think, I think, I think that they, they need to vote on the amended motion, right?

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Um,

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that would include, uh, the voting data as it relates to

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the last

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being made available at the final meeting before our final vote and presentation of our report, all in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? The motion passes unanimously. Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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Oh, my question was, um, is your presentation complete as it relates to, uh, items three and four? Yes.

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sir. I think we're, we're good on those.

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Thank you.

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Um, at this time, I think I'll open the floor for discussion as it

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make that. decision alone because, um, everyone here has obligations that they might want to consider, um,

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what the next meeting should be. And on top of that, the city and the availability of meeting space is also a barrier as well.

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Uh,

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I'll entertain the discussion at this moment.

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What I would like to see is that we have a steady rhythm so that staff is able to anticipate a pattern of our behavior and that we have reading time. So maybe I would suggest something like weekly and see how we do.

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late morning works for me.

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Uh,

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What,

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days?

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That is a Wednesday and a Thursday.

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That's Wednesday and Thursday next week.

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Yes. Okay.

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We said like Tuesdays.

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Tuesdays

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would

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be. I

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can, I can do Tuesday the 7th. Uh, we can do, we can do, uh, any issue with Tuesdays at

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over the 21st and go to the 28th?

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Do the 21st and skip the 28th. Miss Moore has a conflict on the 21st specifically.

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Okay.

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Yes, ma'am. Okay. Pretty much do the 21st.

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Okay. So,

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uh, we'll be looking at Tuesday the 7th, 14th and 28th. 11 a.m.

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Well,

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that's, that's an agenda to put it on the agenda, on the advanced agenda. But yeah, that, that's a, that's a, your soft deadline, yes sir. Okay.

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So,

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And if we need an additional meeting at that time, we can vote on whether the 11th is appropriate, whether we need to have another meeting on the 11th.

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At this time I'll entertain a motion to accept that suggested schedule.

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Motion to accept the, uh, schedule for the next meetings.

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I second that motion. All in favor please signify by saying hi. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously.

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Motion

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to

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City Redistricting Meeting 11/30/2021

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