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Mr. Chair. Last week you all directed us to go back and modify versions of maps A, 2, and B. And your direction was to modify those to show District 3 at the minus 5% of the ideal population number. And so we've done that. You

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You wanted the demographics within the red squares. And for the audience, the red squares will highlight the changes from district to district, what's moved from district to district. So you wanted the demographics, you wanted the census blocks, numbers, and you

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to keep communities intact. And so Marshall, with the East Central Florida Regional Planning Council, took those directives, and you now have, and I think Charlene's going to pass out the maps. So you will have, I think, are we giving the 2010 Charlene? So you'll have, Mr. Chair, you recall that you asked for the 2010 numbers. We're going to give you a map that I think Marshall created off of census data. We're not sure at the moment if this is what

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City Council so we're still researching that and we'll give you those numbers with hopefully the demographics that we've been displaying on the on the other maps there. But you can see by district the numbers there those numbers total up to in

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and today again as we all are aware we're at 19,005 residents

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That is to be revised or updated as we as we find the map that was finally approved by the City Council so so you have that

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about you also asked for annexations over the last 10 years and I think you asked for developments that are ongoing that are in the queue so so Charlene is also able to talk about those also. so if we

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is district

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as close

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that's what you're looking at

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possible to that with non-Hispanic and Hispanic categories ‸ and no splitting of neighborhoods and so if you look at the last one two three four columns in the

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versus non-Hispanic statistics there

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I'm going to walk you through the details of this map and so if you look at

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Ie it's 4755 ideal is 4751

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and so that is minus 0.74 of ideal if you look at district 3 it is 4554 ideal ideal 4751

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there in a second here and so district 4 is 4980 ideal is 4751 so

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4.81 above the ideal number and then I won't go down the racial categories but you can see those and then you can see the Hispanic categories there and so Marshall do you want to tell them why you couldn't

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uh yes uh thank you very much and uh good morning commission members um ‸ the reason why we can't get any higher than 4.15 negative 4.15 percent is it's that large block in the middle of district 3 which

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prevents

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slicing it up any further. And as you recall, part of the contract of this in the actual ordinance is we have to keep them compact. And by making compact means you can't go willy-nilly and just add blocks that are not actually aggregated together and close together. So on the A3 map, you can see we kept the community up there.

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had 659 population.

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the block that is in the lower left of the, right in the lower left of District 4, that adds another 49 people and then that pops

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as close to possible you got we got to negative 4.15% and then

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where it shows you the percentage compared to the current she's going to update that where I forgot to actually update that so so we'll show you where a three and B three are relative to the to the racial categories from from current. you know, he has the percentages on them on the on the maps here, but we we gave you that little matrix, which made it a little easier for you to compare it to current there. And so we'll

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Rob even with the scribbles on it

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we'll

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have to put that on the screen

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just sort of flip over

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in

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your hard copy the next page so just as you've asked Marshall was giving you a break out of of ‸ the red box changes. And so this is a red box for ‸ District

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that change. And so you'll see within the red box for District

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you have the block numbers. You, of course, have the population. You have race. And then you have language again we're calling Hispanic versus non Hispanic language

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box move. Perfect. District, so

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is that same breakout for District

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which is in green, and District

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which is in yellow. Again, the red box changes. Those are the changes, again, that highlight ‸ the move from one district to another, and

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neighborhoods there so this is just sort of the the drill down on the a three map and ‸ I think I said this, is the we're calling neighborhoods for the property appraisers platted subdivision. So we're going by the property appraisers definition of a neighborhood. And so that's the sort of overview map

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if you have questions

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‸ hearing none

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it please

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Thank you. Uh,

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Mr. City Manager, you may proceed. Okay. And so we're going to go

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to, uh, B3, which is again the modification of B. And so you're going sort of down, down two tracks. You know, you had a, you had an A2 that's been modified by A3 and then you had a B, which is being modified by a B3.

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for A and then we'll compare B3 to, uh, to A3. So, so again, B3,

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um,

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Justin, can you, or Rob, can you put that B3 up on the screen for the audience?

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So B3, the one that we have in front of us is the proposed one that you want to change, right? Well, you, you guys directed us.

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The

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one that's up there now where it shows 49, which is up the Hooper Road.

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are? Yeah,

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that's, that's the Hooper Road, Range Road area.

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from the city. I mean, from the county.

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Yeah, no Travis. ‸ Yeah. The, the redistricting wouldn't, wouldn't affect the, uh, the park ownership issue.

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Thank you very much. Yeah.

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Yeah. Uh, so this is, this is B3 again, which is a modification of B from last week. Again, with the direction from the commission here was to, to, uh, bring district three to the, to the, uh, less than 5% of ‸ ideal, um, with no splitting of neighborhoods. And we've given you again, the non Hispanic and Hispanic, uh, breakout. And so that's, that's sort of the base map there. And then I'll walk you through the details of the red boxes. And again, for the audience, just wherever you see the sort of red, uh, outlines. Those are the, uh, census blocks that were in a district, uh,

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different district than what we're showing here. That's moved from one district to the, uh, to another district. So, so B3, uh, detail one, as I'm, as I'm calling it,

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the breakout of, uh, that box that affects, uh, district four. Um, and you can see again, uh, same as the a map. It gives you the block numbers, gives you the population, gives you the race, gives you a language.

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table at the bottom.

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at the bottom. And then we'll show you the matrix

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that will

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compare, uh, your

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So, uh, detail two is, um, again, the breakout of, uh, district four. And that's, uh, kind of green. That's that square, um, that, uh, uh, this above air just mentioned. That's a square, uh, on the left hand side of the screen, if you're facing the screen.

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I'll call that blue. Um, and then,

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And so giving you, um,

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detail, the breakout of block numbers, population, race, language for those, uh, those ‸ two changes.

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and ‸ again, Mr. Chair. So just to remind you that D four,

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because you just couldn't fit them all on one map.

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Understood.

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So, so splitting that, um, D three. Is the breakout of, I think this is all district one. If I'm looking correctly, my notes are correct.

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um, for district one, uh, which is again in green block numbers, population, race, and language.

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Excuse me. Question.

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Yes, please.

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Uh,

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across

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the detail in the matrix.

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There is no population. Yeah. Marshall, you want to explain that one?

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Uh, yes. Uh,

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coming,

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coming from the census data, that is probably because it's all commercial and there's no population that's, uh, residential. So ‸ actually makes no difference whether you include that block or not.

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Yeah, it's coming up.

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Okay.

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Any further questions? Please, Mr. City manager. So, Rob, can we split the screen with A3 and B3? Yeah.

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Question while we're waiting? Sure.

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Are

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those also because it's commercial or some other explanation?

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1065 and 1060. Marshall, did you hear that?

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I did. Yes. Whenever you see a zero, there's a bunch of them. For instance, just ‸ for reference, most of

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Expressway are all zero because ‸ it's all commercial. Now, this one small block that has, I think, 17 residential population, but where the census counts

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that means there's no actual residential population. So, that's true for any blocks where you see zero across the board. That's not a mistake.

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Question,

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Mr. Chair.

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Please. Marshall,

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could you just clarify?

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Is that a case where all of those are strictly commercial or are some of those blocks possibly residential but there's no development in them?

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That's a good question. As far as the census survey goes, they basically will ask, you know, the residential population if there's any people there. So, the answer to that is really it's commercial or vacant commercial. But as far as if it's residential and it's not actually people there, at the time of the census survey, if there was nobody there, yes, that's possible. It's a zero. A case in point is on the far western part of the city limits, there is a small area where that was not included because there wasn't any population there. But now houses are starting to be built there. So, that probably will, in the next American Community Survey, which is, you know,

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the actual population will be included. But

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you have to wait for the next, you know, the next one for that to show up.

[00:19:27] Speaker 8

So, the implication for that is that for today's exercise, it doesn't matter why those are zero. They are zero and that's what we're going to work with. But just for future considerations, as we imagine what the potential growth is and we try to skew towards the lower end of the acceptable range for those places where we see potential growth, it may be an indicator of potential future growth when we have undeveloped residential land.

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Yes, that's partially true. If there's an overlay for land use or future land use, it shows that commercial could be mixed use, then that is ‸ truly the case where you could have a residential population and a mixed use designation. But if it's ‸ commercial,

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never change. So, ‸ that's incumbent upon the actual land use.

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this in the audience here or at home, ‸ but again, you can probably see it better on their hard copies there,

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Again, just looking at things that are encased by the red outlines there and so you can see how ‸ that version, those versions ‸ differ in terms of changes from one district to the next. And I think we have, do we have that

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matrix ready? I need to go in and pull

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that up real quick. Okay,

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yeah,

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You want to go back to the map and Charlene can talk about annexations. Yeah. That'll give you a little bit more time.

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back up that A3 map and then kind of zoom in a little bit and she can show you where the annexations

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think as we

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there have only been two since 2010, but I don't know that I have a pointer here,

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So I gave you a worksheet that has our active residential projects,

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So I'll note the annexations

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that included residential units. In District 2, we had 50 residential units added,

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‸ west of Clear Lake Road, that is Oak Meadows, and that was annexed, and so that's 50 units there. Additionally, the Cape Canaveral Heights subdivision, which is in District 3 up in that area of 524, is 43 units that was annexed in the last 10 years. Those are the only two residential annexations that we have had. All other annexations were vacant or commercial properties that were annexed,

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Additionally, you have a list of our residential certificate of occupancy numbers that have happened since April 1st of 2020, which is after the census numbers were taken. District 1 and District 3 were the two districts that have added the ‸ residential occupancy in ‸ since ‸ that year and a half, and that's 67 units in District 1, which is primarily Lakeside Palms and Fern Meadows, and District 3 of 88, which is Adamson Creek and the other subdivision right off of Grissom Parkway

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528,

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Thank you. And then the top spreadsheet that you have is the list of COCO's active residential projects that we have that are either in progress of construction or will be in the progress of construction by district. So you can see there are 373 units that are proposed for District 1 over the next few years. COCO Grand Apartments are nearing completion, so you will see those probably sometime around April being completed and starts renting. Lakeside Palms West is in the early stages of development. The cottages at COCO Village is nearing completion, so you will see those becoming fully open

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In District 2, the Riverwalk subdivision, which is US 1 and Indian River Drive, there's 25 units. They have not begun construction on that.

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few years. And then in District 3, you will see the largest number of active projects that we have. There's 1,801 total units in District 3 that are either at construction or in the process of planning. So those numbers we will see.

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quickly. The Integra Preserve Apartments are moving quickly. The Quail Ridge Apartments are in construction. And Adamson Creek is in construction as well. So the arbors,

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shores, and lakes at Cocoa Groves are in the early stages and don't expect them to be in development within the next 12 months. But that's what you'll see. 2,199 is the total number of units active as of yesterday.

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that's what we expect to be fully, within the next five years, fully open.

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Thank you.

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So you can see there's a lot going on within the city of Cocoa.

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think we have them. Are we ready? Matrix.

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Can I just... One question, please, for Charlene. Yes, sir. I thought I recall that there was some kind of development proposed and maybe it didn't move forward off of Plucky Bomb.

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Okay. So it's on the Rockledge side of that line. Well, there's

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that's Lakeside Palms.

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Okay. Thank you. So they've started on west.

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So Lakeside Palms, west is

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starting development of that.

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Somewhat.

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It does.

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That's a major change.

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‸ However, you cannot

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forecast

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Only what you have today. That's what we have to work

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cannot forget. Our ethic is to deal ‸ with the numbers that we have today. And that's the most important thing. Thank you.

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Ms. Moore, could you repeat that with the microphone? I'm not sure if your microphone ‸ is on so that we can capture it. Okay.

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know, this is a lot to look at and realize that this is going to happen for the future. And I was reiterating that we're really ‸ supposed to deal with the numbers we have today.

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So we need to really look at what we have as our numbers today and work with that.

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So,

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Chair, and for the audience, this was the percentage

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of

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African American black racial categories ‸ in the various versions. The current is, ‸ as we sit here today with the census data,

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and this is again by

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district.

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so you can see African American black district one was the 43.21.

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the 7.17. District four, 27.07. You can see how that changed with A. Again, A was the least amount of census block or track changes.

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You can see those relative percentages from those two versions. The ‸ versions that you

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with the goal being District three at minus five percent of ideal. Those are the A3 and B3 versions. You can see if you compare that, compare those with the current District one goes from the 43 to the 42 in A3 to the 43

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B3.

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‸ And then you can see four there.

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All right.

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Thank you, sir. Misagree?

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I'm wondering if we have the information at hand, the difference between the 2010 and the 2020 of the population breakdown of the city as a whole.

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Yeah. We ‸ gave

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we want to give you the map that was approved by the council and accepted ‸ as the new district map. So, we're still searching for that. And I'm sure we'll be able to give you that information when we find that.

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did you cover everything you needed?

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Yes, I did.

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are you guys good?

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Yes, yes, we are.

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I think that's it in terms of our presentation, Mr. Chair. Thank you,

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Mr. City Manager.

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you had a drawing and some discussion.

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Yes.

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‸ Please proceed.

[00:33:23] Speaker 7

Yeah. So, I'll start with it. I took an existing district map. And with the idea that I don't remember who had raised it last time, but the idea that basically the districts, in order to grow, move either up north or west. And that's sort of the pattern. And so, I looked at the map and just tried to approach it logically with that in mind. And how do you create sort of regular-looking districts so that from a logical point of view, you know, that's the most sort of normal thing that you could do. And so, I would like to see what those numbers look like if we ‸ approach the district in that way. And I'm happy ‸ to show you the pencil lines on this. But what I'd like to see is that staff work up the numbers for this so that we can see what it looks like if you approach the districts kind of up and over.

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Okay. I'm happy

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to show and entertain any questions.

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So,

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Yes. Because I'd like to say, I think it would be worth it for us to see. I have no idea how the numbers will shake out on it. I didn't approach it from that point. I approached it from a logical perspective.

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Okay. Yeah.

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‸ Let me understand what you're asking. You're asking to do another look at population growth?

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looking at?

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[00:34:55] Speaker 7

Yeah. So, here, go ahead and take a look.

[00:34:57] Speaker 4

No, I don't want to look. I want you to explain to me.

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a visual perspective. Is

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microphone on? It is.

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need to speak into the microphone, please.

[00:35:11] Speaker 7

From a visual perspective and

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would say, Ah, they took a very straightforward approach toward ‸ districting.

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Understood.

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[00:35:25] Speaker 4

So, you're talking about a visual and not based on population?

[00:35:31] Speaker 7

That's right. Because when you go to the dashboard to do this manually is, you know, I would have been ‸ happy to do that, but not manually. But I think that we should look at what the numbers show us by comparison.

[00:35:49] Speaker 4

In a visual way.

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to ask our attorney, okay, what is our goal here? Our goal here is to take a look at the population. ‸ Look at the breakup of the, of that population and work the numbers according to, you know, the objective, which we were given in the beginning of trying to get close to that, that number of

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51. The ideal.

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So, I'm trying to understand

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C, you know, because

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C to me

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has to be numerical. So, I'm just trying to make sure that we stay on task here in regards to that. It has to be numerical.

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Right. Absolutely. That's, I'm saying that it's staff really that has the capability to give us the numbers to taking an approach like this. Which would, which would very easily pass the common sense test. If you were just looking at this map in this district, except for one thing, which is a small point, which is

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And I wonder why we have that.

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just odd. So, ‸ it might be something else that we consider is that we make them one, two, three, four.

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Well, we're just changing the numbers.

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that part. That's.

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[00:37:40] Speaker 1

I think that Madam Vice Chair was about to make her presentation before you asked the question. I would like to give her an opportunity to speak. Even if you disagree, that's fine. We can vote on that later if it's something we disagree with. But everyone should have an opportunity to speak.

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But we as a group have not decided that we wanted to see that yet.

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looking at.

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should have decided as a

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So ‸ I'm not in favor of taking another look at another proposal until we all say that this is something we actually want to do as a group. And ‸ it looks like it was moved on before we as a group had a discussion about it.

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She's making a proposal that we can vote on later. But what I

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speak. And so I will give her an opportunity to speak.

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I understand. And if we

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want to vote it down, then we can vote it down. That's not a problem. Madam Vice Chair, you may proceed.

[00:38:53] Speaker 7

Thank you. Yeah, I propose that this is something important for us to look at so that we can understand and put A and B in perspective. And that it's a ‸ reasonable question to go out a little further and then ‸ look back.

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And so I would like us to consider, I would like us to ask to look at it, see it.

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don't agree.

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Okay, understood. Do you want to stand and maybe hold it up? Sure.

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I'm not sure. I don't know what's on it. I haven't seen it, so I don't know what the proposition is either.

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It's

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[00:40:03] Speaker 7

Okay. As I said, the basic concept is just ‸ to go ‸ up and over with the district. So we're looking at district one. We're going up a bit and out. And that's obviously county. But ‸ that's the intention that it would be moving. That's your district one. District two goes ‸ up a little bit here. Pulls in that neighborhood. That is definitely an intact neighborhood when you're walking around.

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Then district four. Obviously, we have this kind of out of order.

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Follows

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this is similar to what the staff recommendation is showing with this neighborhood.

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So it's kind of ‸ a very straightforward approach to that move of up and out. ‸ And ‸ they should be. They're not wildly uneven. Okay.

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[00:41:39] Speaker 1

is to make the districts more block-like and less amorphic. And I don't know if that's something that the board would agree with or not. But I think, do you have any more to your presentation?

[00:41:56] Speaker 7

Just to say that when you see a typical picture of gerrymandering, they're strangely drawn. And so I would like us to consider what does it look like if we have a very regularly drawn.

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it?

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Understood.

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Yeah.

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Mr. Green, you had something?

[00:42:18] Speaker 8

Yes, Mr. Chair, if I can speak to that a little bit. And I wonder if staff could put the overall map up on the screen so that I can reference that.

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[00:42:32] Speaker 8

Any of them. The one on the top left there is fine from the dashboard.

[00:42:36] Speaker 1

I think that's the current map.

[00:42:37] Speaker 8

Yeah. That's okay. ‸ For my purposes, that'll work. And ‸ I understand very clearly what the vice chair is getting at because these things do look odd. And I share your comment that trying to glean the answers from the dashboard is not an easy thing.

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And I've actually spent some time this week trying to do just that. And although it's difficult, it can be done. Now, if you look up here where we're talking about straightening out some of those lines, to me, when you get down here, it would make an awful lot of sense if you could have a continuous line right across US 1 and tie this together. But what I found when I tried to do some of that stuff is there's your problem. This is one big block at

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[00:43:33] Speaker 8

Yeah. You can't split it. You have to include it. It's part of what we have to do. Right. We have a zero here. You know, you can annex that zero to make your line look better, but it doesn't change anything in the end. So it would be nice and it would look better to be able to pencil in some of those lines.

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impractical to be able to straighten those lines and still have the numbers work.

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things on a neighborhood-to-neighborhood basis is I did probably what staff did.

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where we know we have to, ‸ we have a ways to go to get down towards the lower end of that 5% flex. And I think they did getting well over 4%. I think they did about the best they could about that. So then it becomes a ripple effect. It's almost a waterfall. So you reduce D3 the only way you can, which is to add to D4. And then when you add the requisite number of population to D4,

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[00:44:53] Speaker 8

because there's no place else to move it. There's nothing else contiguous. So this one grows beyond our limits. And now you have to move some down here. So looking at both A and B, they both accomplished those goals, although in an imperfect way for aesthetics, for the way the map looks. Because you do have those constraints.

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have that big block that you have to deal with. You have zero blocks where you would like to have some people that you can move around, but you just can't. So that being said, although I share your desire to have it look better, the practical matter, and driven by the arithmetic of it, is it just doesn't work. So the numbers that staff came up with, especially with regards to D3, are almost identical to the numbers that I came up with when I hand-hacked some of this data. ‸ What I didn't have the opportunity to do was to look at it in terms of what it does to population distribution.

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that staff is proposing as far as which neighborhoods remain contiguous and which neighborhoods don't. And the swing in numbers is relatively small. My feeling is that we're in very good shape when it comes to 3 and 4. And then when we look at some of the differences between 1 and 2 with a few blocks ‸ difference between the A presentation and the B presentation,

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[00:46:45] Speaker 8

is most representative of our contiguous areas of common interest in neighborhoods. Because they split neighborhoods in different ways. And we just really need to take a hard look at that impact. But the numbers and the way the blocks are laid out, and it's unfortunate. I mean, if this

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was subdivided in a different way,

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would give us an awful lot of flexibility that we're just not going to have. We just need to take a hard look at the red boxes that we see in the detail between the A and the B version and decide whether one or the other or some other hybrid of those best serves us for contiguous neighborhoods that have common interest.

[00:47:31] Speaker 1

Thank you,

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Ms. Moore, did you have any follow-up on that? But I know that you did take specific issue with the assertion.

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[00:47:44] Speaker 4

Mr. Green did give the logical reason why ‸ we need to really kind of look at A and B and come up with the best solutions that's been presented to us.

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and working with what we have and the numbers that we have. In reality, we're not talking about a big shift here. We're talking about, what, 1%, 2% changes in some cases, not even. So I think between the A and B, we can come up with, this group can come up with a solution between A and B.

[00:48:28] Speaker 1

Understood. So I think that there's been enough presented on both sides to bring this to a vote, whether we want to consider a version C that would propose more block-like structured districts, as opposed ‸ to be reviewed alongside versions, the modified versions of both A and B that have already been presented by the city. I'll entertain a motion at this time.

[00:49:03] Speaker 7

I move that we consider a block-like approach so as to demonstrate why not. It will likely show the numbers that require us to maintain

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So I'll say this.

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[00:49:33] Speaker 1 + overlapping voice

I agree with you that I think straight blocks would make viewing these maps less confusing. It would probably make it easier for council people that have to run and walk these streets and campaign to have their districts more block-like and more closely tied together. But

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it's pretty difficult, just based on these large blocks that can't really be split up, to make it more

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So I think that... There

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wasn't a second.

[00:50:15] Speaker 1

Yeah, I don't think there would be enough to move forward with the proposal. But I do appreciate you,

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Madam

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Vice Chair, for making the proposal. And that is what we're here for, to participate in meaningful discussion, to see how we can best achieve the objectives. Mr. Green?

[00:50:32] Speaker 8

And one comment to your concern about going through this exercise for the sake of explaining why not, so that we can defend against future challenges and so forth. I think that we've aired that out enough through discussion that will appear in the official minutes and the recording of this meeting that we have everything we need in the future to show why we did what we did.

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look at versions A3

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as well as

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B3 so that we can discuss maybe which of those versions is more suitable for a baseline moving forward, If we can agree on one of those versions being a suitable baseline for further conversations moving forward.

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Yeah, B3. It looks like it's pretty well divided.

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Okay.

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[00:52:31] Speaker 6

I think it's great, and I think it's going to, you know, that's my feeling.

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Okay.

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And the reason

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is because when we talked about the numbers and the development that's to come and what we have now to work with, we know that Districts 3 and 4 are right now the fastest growing districts. And when we look at A3, we have erred on the plus side for District 1 to compensate for the fact that District 3 is going to have somewhere over 1,000 new residential units.

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will be in District 3 in the next one to five years. And so when we talked about taking 3 down to minus 5 or near minus 5, I think that version A3 was the one that did the best job of bringing District 1 up and bringing District 3 down so that we can better equalize those districts. The only question for me is, you know, taking a closer look at...

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So,

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For the record.

[00:54:37] Speaker 6

Thank

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you, sir.

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I

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think... I like your A3, but I think they're cutting out the part where we go in

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the

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little square on District 3 on Range Road. You see that little square on Range Road?

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Yes.

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that that's only 44 volts

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different,

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but I feel that that should be included into District 4 because the fact

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Well... It's

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only a difference of 44

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votes.

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So, I don't have a specific issue with the inclusion of that 49-person block into District 4.

[00:55:37] Speaker 5

Yeah.

[00:55:38] Speaker 1

I just really like the map

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for. And so,

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[00:55:57] Speaker 4

We're comparing.

[00:55:58] Speaker 1

Okay.

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The conversation.

[00:56:00] Speaker 1

If it's possible, just based off of

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and my observations, you know, if it's possible, I'm perfectly fine with a a new baseline map that we can use for further discussions that includes that 49...

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block into District 4 while also maintaining District 1 at the 47-55 number. If there's a way to make that happen,

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[00:56:46] Speaker 7

Just clarification.

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So,

[00:56:47] Speaker 7

you're saying take A3 and put the 49 from D3 into District 4?

[00:56:52] Speaker 1

Yes. Basically. I mean, there may be some more movement that has to be done by the staff in order to make the numbers work by doing that. So, it may be some give somewhere else. But I think Mr.

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is feeling strongly about that block and I don't know as much about District 4 as he does. And so, since he's

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representative, I assume that as an advocate for that district that he knows what he's talking about when he believes that the integrity of that community would be best protected by including that neighborhood. But yes, that is the proposition.

[00:57:38] Speaker 9

Mr. Chairman,

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as

[00:57:39] Speaker 9

a clarification, that 49, that does not include all of Hooper Road. That includes the southern portion of Hooper Road. So, the northern portion of Hooper Road would still be in District 3.

[00:57:52] Speaker 2

Just drill down on that. So,

[00:57:55] Speaker 9

when you include that street, it splits the street in half. So, anybody who lives on the north side of Hooper Road will be still in District 3.

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No, that's the bottom line is Range Road. But his question is ‸ all of it. And Hooper.

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and put that in District 4. That way, District 3

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is not down there at all because I think in Michigan,

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of Michigan anyhow,

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that while

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at it.

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Drill into that square. Let me move over to the map. Just put one map up and drill into

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of the 49 box. So, the top line of that box is Hooper Road.

[00:58:56] Speaker 2

But if you continue west.

[00:58:58] Speaker 9

If you continue west, Hooper Road does go into D3.

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Okay. It continues west. It is city.

[00:59:05] Speaker 9

Yes, it is city still.

[00:59:07] Speaker 2

Yeah.

[00:59:12] Speaker 9

So, it technically splits that neighborhood.

[00:59:19] Speaker 2

He's going to do a road overlay.

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think. Yeah.

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Just so we can clarify.

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positive 5% for District 4 and District 3. So, we would have to maneuver some numbers.

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Yeah.

[00:59:45] Speaker 7

I have a question.

[00:59:48] Speaker 1

‸ Okay. Madam Vice Chair, you have a question?

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I do.

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and tipping over, I am ‸ curious in north of Michigan and west of block 659. I'm not seeing streets there

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But I believe there are.

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Oh, you're talking about left of 659, that block for District 4?

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Correct. Are

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there... I think that's

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he can go do that. Okay.

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I guess

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I'm wondering if it's equivalent in size to that.

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Left, is there a block left of 659

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Can you do the road? No, let's do one thing.

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Okay. So, what we're looking now at is that block, that 49-member block and how Hooper Road is split if we include that block.

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But if we go east, Hooper Road would be subsumed into District 4. is splitting that street potentially causing

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neighborhood split? That's the question. Don, what are your thoughts?

[01:01:45] Speaker 4

Chair, I don't think we're going to have a situation where we don't split some neighborhoods.

[01:01:50] Speaker 1

Right.

[01:01:50] Speaker 4

So, we really have to kind of look at the logic of the numbers. I keep going back to the numbers. We've got to look at the logic of the numbers and make a consideration based on the logic of the numbers. So, in some cases, we're not going to all agree on a neighborhood or another neighborhood. But, how does this really help to get us to our ultimate goal? That's, I mean, we're still in the city. There's still,

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maybe, based on what was and what is, there's a change there. But, some of these changes are necessary. Some of these changes, you know, the ones that we're looking at are necessary changes based on the logic of the numbers.

[01:02:34] Speaker 1

As is, A3 and B3, if we do nothing to them, logically, the numbers work. Right now, the question is about the neighborhoods and how these numbers affect neighborhoods Because the numbers work and the numbers can be played with if we need to move things around.

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maps don't separate a neighborhood to the point that we cause an issue with the integrity of some of these communities. And so, I understand that there's going to be some splits, but I think what we're trying to accomplish now, since we have two maps that give us good numbers,

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communities. So, I'm with you 100%,

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making that, you know, that we're on the same page in some regards, but, um, I'm, I'm,

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what

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I'm trying to understand from Mr.

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this block of 49,

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um, and how that community is affected by the exclusion of 49. Because if you feel strongly about it, I don't have an issue with it, I just want to better understand why we, uh, or why the push is to include it,

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in including it.

[01:04:06] Speaker 8

Mr. Chair, I agree very much with what you have to say. Uh, I wonder if staff could put the side by side back up for us. Yes, please.

[01:04:18] Speaker 1

Am I making sense?

[01:04:19] Speaker 8

Yes, absolutely. Both of you, I think very much so. Uh, I personally would be happy, uh, with either of these maps as they stand because I think that they meet every requirement that has been laid out.

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Uh,

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the only question I have is, and, and, for the most part, I think they preserve neighborhoods, neighborhood integrity, and they put people, uh, with common interest together. Uh, But when it gets down to choosing between these two maps, I would be interested to know, uh, and whether either staff or members of this commission who have knowledge of their neighborhoods, could highlight for us,

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This right in here, there are some small differences, and I wonder, uh, if, if there's a way to highlight the difference between this and that, uh, for us, uh, how this differs from this with regard to what it does to neighborhoods, uh, how this differs from this with regard to what it does to neighborhoods. So there's really three different areas where these maps are significantly different,

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Uh, I wonder if there's a way to get insight as to, uh, what happens to those neighborhoods and what the commonalities and differences are in those three areas and if there's a way for us to highlight and examine that.

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Well,

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can we not, um, can we not look at the, the, the, the graph and compare that to what we have here at

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uh, percentages-wise?

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us the numbers and what the community, who's in those, why those were chosen to, to create the numbers that we're looking at.

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Uh, Let's look at those and see, okay, in District 1, uh, let's see, we got 43, 42, right? I mean, you know, as far as, uh, white, uh, black, other Asian, Let's look at those numbers for a quick minute. We're not talking that much of a big deviation, so we're, you can kind of lay the communities based on that, who's in those communities, because, uh, it's been, it's been broken out for us. Right. So we can, we can kind of look at that. Let's look at that for a minute, too, while we're considering the blocks themselves because, what did that make happen? You see what I mean? What did it make happen in District 1 from, from, from A to B?

[01:07:14] Speaker 1

For one, in District 1, um, because I, I live in this district, um, when we look at, uh, map A3, and the reason why the black population drops just a little bit between A3 and B3, um, is because over there on the right, that 136 block,

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um,

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that neighborhood is, um, a, uh,

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wealthier and, uh, less minority, uh, a less black neighborhood.

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we're talking about houses closer to the water, um, houses of greater value and communities with much less minority population. And so when, when we add that 136 block over there, um, that is how that's affecting the black number just a little bit. You see it's 42.57 over there and 43.11 over here. So it's a slight difference, but it's because you're adding a community that is, um, that has a, uh, lower population of black people And that's how it's changing the black number just a little bit. Um, And while it does change that number a little bit, I like that we're putting it over that 47.51 deviation that we talked about.

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map if that makes sense.

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So we're talking a very small, um, variation of percentages here.

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Okay.

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Almost identical.

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identical.

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So where you see the 275, when you walk in that area, that feels the same. It's just what, what's, it's splitting that, um, that vertical line is splitting that neighborhood.

[01:09:40] Speaker 8

Uh, you mean here,

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down the middle

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of 340.

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You

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see

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what a

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three is. There's a line where the three is ‸ in 340. That line splits down the middle for 275. You see, we're, you mind,

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‸ the whole point.

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So here, in 340, this line right here cuts off this portion to make that 275 right there. So it cuts off at this line right here in the middle. And so you have this side that remains to make the 275 while cutting out this side right here.

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Yeah, I see that. And what she's saying

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is that this is a, a community that will be split up by doing that.

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Okay,

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good.

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I was looking at just going to each one.

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Sorry.

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No problem. I mean, because we need to discuss as we, as we talk along,

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we

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need to, everybody needs to give some

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feedback.

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like, ‸ you know,

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if we had the, ‸ on Range Road, number 49 that's over there, probably a good idea.

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So you're going

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lose some more,

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four. That goes up

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the

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Hoover, That's given the whole section of,

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that

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the district core. There's only 49 homes out there.

[01:11:07] Speaker 1

So, so, so,

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what

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it sounds like, what it sounds like is being proposed, if I may, once more, please, what it sounds like is being proposed is that, is that Mr.

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is fine with A3 if it includes this 49 block.

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to be okay with A3 if it includes that 340 block, if that is uncompromised.

[01:11:41] Speaker 6

Yeah.

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Is that,

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well, that neighborhood,

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that 340 and that 275 is, is continuous with the neighborhood just to the left of it.

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You know,

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there's the answer. If you move the 49 over there,

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[01:12:31] Speaker 8

Well, so if we were to move

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we would have to find at least one block somewhere in district three that would move back.

[01:12:42] Speaker 1

So, remember, remember the proposition is for district

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[01:12:49] Speaker 8

Yes, but that doesn't reduce district three at all.

[01:12:52] Speaker 1

Oh, that, I thought we were reducing four.

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No, if you move the 49, if you move the 49 to the other map, now your salmon color,

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goes, we're taking away from three. Got it. Yeah. Understood. So, what about this 23 block? Is that not enough?

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No. Is that

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too small?

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[01:13:12] Speaker 1

Ah, I see.

[01:13:14] Speaker 8

That's why we're a prisoner of the numbers. Ha ha.

[01:13:16] Speaker 4 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

We're a prisoner to the numbers. I mean, no matter what, we, we really have to look at where are we falling in the basis of, you know, meeting our goal here.

[01:13:25] Speaker 1

Okay. So, it looks like we're at about 1215 and,

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[01:13:34] Speaker 1

Um, based on the discussion that we've had, um, can we request a proposal that could try to crush these numbers to make those three things happen?

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Right.

[01:13:53] Speaker 4

In regards to what it means when it shifts, uh, it's going to shift. It's going to, and I understand, um, I really understand what Don is saying, but also can hear, you know, the logic of the numbers, um, which Mr. Green and myself and probably all of us are trying to make sure we're, um, adhering to. So

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I think we got what we have in front of us ‸ to really kind of decide on,

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uh,

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which one is the best way to go. Uh, because I mean, no matter what, we've got to look at the bottom line here in regards to how this breaks out, you know, our population as well as, you know, uh, ethnic groups and try to have a, you know, like I said, I don't think we're going to get away with not splitting somebody's neighborhood.

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[01:14:50] Speaker 4

that's unfortunate. It's very unfortunate, but it happened in 2010, I'm sure. And it will happen again in 2020.

[01:14:58] Speaker 1 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

It will. Uh,

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the next census rather. And so, can we, I appreciate the fact that these diagrams have been, um, suggested to us as a way to look at what, what we have here, uh, as, as versions. And, and I appreciate the fact that you laid out each one block wise, you know,

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uh, and looking at each section. Um, um, but I, I,

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kind of think we've reached our goal in between one of the two, either one, we choose, we've reached our goal. And it's just us making a decision on which one is it going to be.

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[01:15:40] Speaker 1

I don't disagree with you that either one or two reaches the goal. Um, uh, that is,

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uh, certainly factual.

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commission that would like to meet that goal with a few changes if possible.

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it better, I'm for that. But obviously, um, it's up to a vote. Um, and so, um, we can either consider, uh,

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or we

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block,

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and keeps district one above 47 51. at this time, I will entertain a motion.

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Road.

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[01:17:40] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

So is that the square? Yes. Yes sir. Or you have

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an expanded square.

[01:17:47] Speaker 1

Yeah.

[01:17:48] Speaker 4 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

‸ Is it the square as is? Yeah.

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It's the square as is.

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Correct.

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[01:18:03] Speaker 1

And some will have to be taken from elsewhere. So I'm hearing a motion to accept A3, but including the block with the 49 members in it.

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[01:18:25] Speaker 7

And I'd like an opportunity to just study this. Like I'm concerned that that 49 is like its nature. That neighborhood is rural, like the rest of D3.

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[01:18:42] Speaker 7

but I don't want to jump the gun.

[01:18:43] Speaker 1

That's fine. Well, Mr. Bovair has made a motion. I'm waiting on a second. And if you don't agree, you can vote it down.

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[01:19:05] Speaker 1

So it sounds like the motion at this time fails. And so I guess our homework would be to consider at this time, since there's no proposition for any other map to be considered. I guess our homework is to consider which, whether we want A3 or B3 for the next meeting.

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a motion that we accept version B3.

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I

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can second that motion.

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All in favor, please signify by saying aye.

[01:19:44] Speaker 6

Aye.

[01:19:45] Speaker 1 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

Any opposed? I oppose that I like A3. What was that?

[01:19:53] Speaker 7

I oppose also.

[01:19:54] Speaker 1

So it's two opposed.

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[01:19:56] Speaker 1

Opposed. So there's three opposed. The motion does not pass. I move to accept version A3. Do I hear a second? I don't hear a second on that either.

[01:20:11] Speaker 8

‸ Mr. Chair, I have a motion.

[01:20:12] Speaker 1

Yes, sir.

[01:20:13] Speaker 8

My motion is that we consider either A3 or B3 acceptable and that we defer further action to the next meeting where we can discuss the merits or downside of each motion so that we can make a better decision.

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That

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is fair.

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vote on it. Second.

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[01:20:44] Speaker 1

Okay. We make a motion to maintain the status quo.

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[01:20:50] Speaker 1

All in favor, please signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

[01:20:52] Speaker 1 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

None opposed. Motion passed unanimously. This time I'll entertain a motion for adjournment.

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All in favor.

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Aye. Aye.

[01:21:02] Speaker 1

We are adjourned.

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