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also Councilman Rick Donalds here. Excellent.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair. Happy New

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revise version A3 of the map. ‸ You all decided at that meeting that you were going to use as the base map A3, and so you see A3 on the left and

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And what you asked for with regards to the

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between districts.

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Manager, if I may interrupt?

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Yes, sir.

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So here's the little button there. Let's see. You got it, sir? Okay. So going to A4-1 and just put that one up. And again, changes are always bracketed in red, and so you can see the changes from one district to the ‸ next. The demographic information and the population information is always at the bottom of the map in the legend.

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blocks that were changed. Again,

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moved between districts in this map. So you'll see the population associated with those blocks, and you'll see the demographics associated with those blocks. And again, going back to the bottom of the screen, you'll see the population and demographic comparison. Now we'll throw up that spreadsheet that you guys are probably used to seeing now and show you the demographic comparison based on the

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different

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So again, current version is the districts as they exist today with the population and the demographics. This is, of course, percentage of African American and black. You'll see that A4 in District 1 goes from the 4257 to the 4273. And I'll let you read on down and tell me, Mr. Chair, when you want me to move on to the next racial category. Yeah,

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you still in?

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Sounds like Mr.

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Bovair.

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Yeah, can you hear us?

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We're on.

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It might be muted on his end. Okay.

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Are you still there?

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I see that. I'm straight.

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No.

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here.

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I just got to get them to unmute.

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now I can hear you.

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The host would like you to unmute your microphone.

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star six to unmute.

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can't hear the city manager.

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Mr.

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can you hear us now? Can you hear us now?

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‸ We can

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hear him.

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them muting us or not.

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Who mutes?

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Planning council. Planning council. Okay.

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Okay.

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Star six.

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You are unmuted.

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Can you hear us now, Mr.

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Yes, I can.

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All right. Perfect. All right. So, again, Mr. Chair, let me know when you want us to move on. Again, that's showing you the

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You may proceed, Mr. City Manager.

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‸ If we go on to the next category, which is percentage of white, again, and I won't go over those. You can ‸ read those for yourself.

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So, if you move on to the next category, percentage of Asian.

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you see those percentages there. Now, if

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the population numbers against the ideal numbers, I want to highlight those. Rob, can you just drill down to the legend ‸ on the population section? And so, you can see, based on those changes ‸ for District 1,

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‸ which, again, exceeds the charter requirement. You can see

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And I'll give you an opportunity, Mr. Chair, to digest that.

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If I may, in terms of the deviation percentage, because that number seems huge, I just want to make sure that that's not an issue specifically, what we're talking about.

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Hey,

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Marshall, can you explain the deviation column, percentage column?

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Yes, I can. Once you the deviation is the deviation from the ideal, which is the average of the population of all the districts. And so, that number comes out to be, if

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take all the population, 4751. So, that's the number that you're deviating from. So, each district will have a percentage of whether it's closer or not to 4751.

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Thank you, sir.

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I don't know that the deviation is maybe just statistical and doesn't mean anything other than a statistical sort of data point. Again, focusing on the percentage of ideal, which is what the where the charter sort of guides you. So, you can see that District 1 is not within the limits that are prescribed by the charter.

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Wait, just to me. Can I ask you a question?

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I'm sorry.

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Yeah, thank you. I think it is not a standard deviation. That is an actual population deviation from the ideal to this suggested position. So, that's a number of people.

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Got it.

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Got it. Okay. Got it. Not standard deviation.

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And so, our deal, as long as we're within that 10% margin, I believe, then we are proper in terms of our constitutional requirement. Yeah.

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And we have that. The ‸ charter says plus or minus 5%.

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So, this is

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not in compliance. Oh.

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Okay. Okay.

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This was an adjustment that we asked for. ‸ This was a jumping off point. And we were going to make final adjustments in this meeting to bring it within compliance. So, I think that we're at least at a good starting point because that means that we need to change 0.43% to bring District 1 within compliance. Correct? That's correct.

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Okay.

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regardless of whether they were in compliance with the charter. Now, there is a map where he did what you asked, and he attempted to meet the requirements of the charter.

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Or if you guys just

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Just a moment, please. ‸ Madam Vice Chair.

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that is in complete compliance with the requirements and sent that on to staff, a comprehensive that really was in line with all of the discussions that we had

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had

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on the District 1, District 2 border.

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Okay. Is

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that legal for us to look at it at this

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point?

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would have to make that map. Remember, we talked about from the first meeting, the direction to staff to the East Central Florida Planning Council was going to come by motion of this commission.

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Correct. Okay.

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But we could make a motion to look at them.

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Chair.

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Please.

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I understand from our city manager there is an alternative that puts us in compliance that they have already prepared.

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something?

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That is correct.

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it is because we would have to do another motion. They would have to put the maps together that you generated. I don't think ‸ that we would have the ability to do that right now. But I would be willing to hear you out in terms of how your suggestions are different from what we have here to bring us, bring our numbers a little higher. And then I'd ‸ love to look at the map that is proposed by staff that would bring us within compliance as well.

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But we can't actually pull the map up that you suggested because it has not been.

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Okay. So I have drawn versions and I could hand out copies if staff would make copies and then we could look at it that way.

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That has not been approved for us to actually, I mean, discussion is one thing, but the, you know, the actual.

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So having a visual aid in front of me to aid in the discussion would be helpful. I guess if staff can make a copy of that visual aid, then we can go ahead and talk about the staff's recommendation while they do that. Is that acceptable?

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Okay. And what I'd like to say about that is that visual aid or no, with all due respect,

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appropriate people. So we could look at it and it would be interesting to talk about. But the reality of the calendar is that

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to review and vote on before we have to close this activity out. That's why I submitted

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it to staff over the weekend so they

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have time to validate

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it.

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continue, please. So I would suggest that rather than, and you know, it's often been said the perfect is the enemy of the good, we have at least two maps, A3 and B3, which are compliant and meet all the requirements that we've been asked to meet.

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yet, but we could continue adding different iterations from now until forever. I think that ‸ we have to make a move to decide and move on. That's my input. So

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if I may, because we cannot get the visual aids reviewed by consent, then I think it's best at this time to call it to a vote. And at that point, whatever is decided is what we will do and we will move forward in that manner. ‸ Okay.

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I want to speak.

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Sure.

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I have prepared something that moved from A3, which was our plan today. We were going to continue discussing the border of D1 and D2 and then look at D2, D4. And

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time. And this approach allows growth room for D2, makes neighborhoods whole, very much takes into all of the concerns about the consent decree and making those neighborhoods whole and making the border ‸ districts intuitive, natural for citizens and voters so that it's not an arcane or obscure division between districts. These were many goals that we talked about. I have done that. I have put the time against it. I'm very frustrated about being obstructed by procedural means when we could take a look at this. I want the time that I ‸ put into this honored.

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I think that it's prudent of you to take that time and I appreciate you making that effort.

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after the last meeting. I think the only issue was that the issues of concern did not come before council to a vote. Well, this commission to a vote while we're in the meeting.

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mandate to take action. One member of this commission cannot instruct the city staff to take action without a vote and outside of the public being apprised of that action. And as a result, that would have been a sunshine violation. For

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staff to prepare?

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To make a request for staff to take action that was not in a public forum for consideration by the public. I think that would have been a sunshine violation. And so I think it was prudent of staff not to take action because that was via email between the commission and the city staff. But the public was not able to be a part of that discussion and exchange and have input in it.

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Except that the request was to make it available for the public so that we could have a deliberation in public.

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Okay.

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This more.

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And, you know, piggybacking on what you were saying about the Sunshine Law, I chose not to read the reply because that was a violation of the Sunshine Law. Whatever we do here on this commission, we must be authentic

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what we're doing.

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what we're supposed to

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equity, which means we all need to discuss it before it moves forward. And anything that we have requested, I feel, has always been responded to by city staff. They have done everything that we've asked them to do in regards to providing us with these maps. We asked for these maps. We

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on getting the map. And so we have been within our power to do the things that we need to do in regards to the key ingredients for what our commission is all about and why it was formed.

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We have tools that we've been provided with, the dashboard, the mini maps.

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And what we cannot find ourselves doing is things that are against the law.

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is the public input, but we must not fall within a political arena where things are done unfairly.

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diligence so that all the members of this group is heard, but also we're doing it ethically.

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partisan environment.

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Yes, I was

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before. We went through this and we did it once and we viewed vote maps, A and B. We asked you to make the changes. The staff completed what we asked them for and now they're making a presentation. I don't think this should be prolonged any longer. So I agree with Mr. Green 100%. Thank you.

[00:19:51] Speaker 1

Thank you, Mr.

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Mr. Green. ‸ Yes, Mr. Chair, since you brought up the issue of the email that was circulated prior to this meeting, I'd just like to speak to that briefly. ‸ When I first read that, I was a little bit concerned because

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I'm not saying that anything was done out of intent, but I think that the result was that it was not an accurate representation of some of the things we've done. But out of respect for provisions of the Sunshine Law, I chose not to respond to that outside of the bounds of a public meeting. It's one thing to be able to send a message of what your intent is and what your ideas are, but we know that we're not allowed to solicit or receive any feedback from any other members. That's where the violation comes in. ‸ And for the record, some members yourself did indeed request certain materials from staff, but those were individual requests and they weren't voted on by the commission at large. So I don't know that those would be appropriate to act on.

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what is a narrow scope of this group as laid out by the city charter. I'm saying this now, and I want to bring it up because I want to make sure ‸ that there's no chance that silence on this issue on my part is construed in any way to be in agreement with the contents. I strongly disagree with what you had written. I don't think that this commission voted to have the city do an in-depth analysis of census blocks. The simple motion was to ask state and federal officials to review census blocks before the next census. What was in that email represented a large expansion of that, and I don't believe that to be true, and I can't remain silent and suggest that I agree through silence. That's what I had to say about that. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Green.

[00:22:00] Speaker 9

I would like to clarify our intention on that, especially the census blocks. We found some that just are, we've acknowledged that the way that the census blocks are structured impede our work in getting rational districts because they're very irregular.

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Others are seven and five. And

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999. ‸ I agree with you that those census blocks are not rational and don't make sense. I also agree with you that ‸ we discussed that at our last meeting. Whether they're rational or not, they are what they are, and that's the mandate that we have. And whether we discussed it or not does not constitute this body having voted to sanction and call for a full analysis on the part of the city. So what I'm disagreeing with, not the concept that the blocks are not appropriate or that they don't work for our favor. What I am disagreeing with is the implication in email that this body voted for something that we did not vote for.

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So I'd like to clarify maybe what ‸ are we voting for because in... Well,

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the clarification comes from the recording of the meeting, and you can start at minute 49 and listen from there, and you'll know exactly what we voted on.

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At this time, I think that we have hashed out these issues enough. And

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or not to consider

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Is that a motion that I'm hearing from you, Madam Vice Chair?

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Yes.

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I will second simply to allow the motion to get to a vote. All in favor, please signify by saying aye.

[00:24:17] Speaker 9

Aye. Aye.

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Any opposed?

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No. No.

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Nay. The motion would fail three to two. And...

[00:24:33] Speaker 9

Could I make one comment?

[00:24:35] Speaker 1

You absolutely may.

[00:24:36] Speaker 9

This... By not looking at this, we are walking away from an option that is in compliance and that satisfies many of the goals we have discussed. And I'm very disappointed that we won't give even a time-limited look at it. Say five minutes, ten minutes. Just to give it eyes on. I'm disappointed. And

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I understand. And

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I think my issue specifically is the fact that any visual representation that has been developed would need to be... We need to go through city staff and through the... What is the ‸ name of the organization that is putting our...

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Any recommendation that's made would need to go through the East Central Florida Planning Council as well as staff in order for us to be able to take those recommendations and put numbers to those recommendations of the... Of the populations of the

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And all of these different factors would not be able to be considered in that specific suggestion. And as a result, we would either have to push it back and have another meeting to consider those things. And

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by the 10th. We simply don't have enough time unless we have another meeting this week to do so. And so, had this suggestion been made earlier,

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But because of the time constraints and because of the fact that we have proper channels that we have to go through in order to get the numbers for those suggestions, I simply could not vote in favor. At this time, I would like to review the suggestion by staff of a map that would be a modification of A4 that would be in compliance.

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Yes,

[00:26:49] Speaker 2

Mr. Chairman, and just to clarify, the city engaged an independent third party, which is the

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to be the caretaker of the database and to make any changes to maps based on the direction of this commission. And so, staff is not, other than passing along your directions, your requests to, again, that independent third party who does this sort of thing for other cities in the Central Florida region. We've simply been the pass-through. There are no

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And so, just wanted to make that clarification. And then, again, at the very first meeting, we talked about your process for giving staff direction

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We've shown you that that doesn't comply with the charter. And the charter says, pretty much requires those four things. And you can read those. And you

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can read those. Again,

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we've talked extensively about the plus and minus 5%, the compact, contiguous nature of the districts. And then, those last two bullet points, equal and effective representation as required by the Constitution. And then, the districts shall comply with the Voting Act and any applicable court orders. And so, that's what the charter requires. And so, Marshall, as a professional, has simply taken what you directed and said, ‸ okay, now let me give you something that meets those charter requirements. And that is A-4-2. Yes,

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sir.

[00:29:04] Speaker 2

So, if we can go to A-4-2.

[00:29:14] Speaker 1

Understood. We can, yeah.

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We'll give you hard copies. I apologize. We'll give you, it'll probably be

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side.

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I think it was 4.3% of the ideal. This brings it back in line to a negative 2.23% of the ideal. And so you can see that. ‸ And again, the changes, if you compare map to map, you can see the changes are right there in between districts 1 and 2, I think it is.

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The

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Again, for purposes of bringing district 1 back into compliance with the charter requirement of plus or minus 5%.

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thank you. Thank you, Mr. City Manager. I would like to say for the record that

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would include new blocks.

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It would include new blocks that were objected to specifically. Thank you for joining us, Mr. Mayor. It would include additional blocks that were specifically objected to by Ms. Kathy Hamilton-Brown that did come last week to the meeting.

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moving further north and including the blocks that we talked about that could potentially be problematic. And so I would ‸ be in favor of approving as it relates to the border between district 1 and district 2 as suggested

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I understand that there is yet to be discussion as it relates to the border between district 2 and district 4. But I will vote to approve as it relates to the border between district 1 and district 2.

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[00:32:45] Speaker 5

Second.

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All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye.

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2.

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I'm still looking. No problem. I'm still looking, okay? I'm sorry. A-1 and A-2. You're looking at A-4-2.

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Yes, ma'am. That version.

[00:33:05] Speaker 9

Okay. If we approve this now, it gives us less wiggle room for adjustments.

[00:33:10] Speaker 1

Excuse me?

[00:33:12] Speaker 9

Approving this now gives us less trade space.

[00:33:16] Speaker 1

As it relates to the border between district 1 and 2, yes, it would.

[00:33:20] Speaker 9

And then also D2 and D4 because it binds in some of the trade space.

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I agree to an extent. I think that as it relates to district 2 and 4, I don't think the borders between 1 and 2 would affect the northern border of district 2 because there's so much space in between.

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So I'm not sure how the border between district 1 and 2 would affect the decisions made as it relates to the borders between version of district 2 and 4.

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move, you just can't move that anymore.

[00:34:09] Speaker 3

Okay.

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Well,

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could

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I?

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Sure. You've called a vote and we have gone halfway through a vote and we are discussing and there was no opportunity for discussion prior to the vote being called. So I just want to know where we are process-wise.

[00:34:27] Speaker 1

Okay. And I do ‸ apologize. I started discussion, but I did not open the floor for discussion for everyone else.

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to discussion as it relates to the border between districts 1 and 2. My goal and my intention is to resolve the border between district 1 and 2 and then move up to resolve the border between 2 and 4. And I believe that that would complete our discussion such that we would have a finalized map to submit to council ‸ because in our last meeting, my understanding was those two borders were the only standing issues to be resolved before we can make a final vote of approval. And so my goal is to work one step at a time to resolve each of those issues so that we can reach a point of finality in this meeting.

[00:35:26] Speaker 3

May I address all of those issues in just one packet, Mr. Chair?

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Yes,

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sir. As I see it right now, we have three maps before us, version A3, version B3, and version A4.2, each of which meets the requirements that are set forth in our charging.

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that end.

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see in A4.2. If I understood correctly, you said that that was contrary to the input that we got from public last week, the only public input we've had in all of these meetings, by the way. So taking the one piece of public input and disregarding that just leaves me a little bit uncomfortable. Honestly, any one of these three choices I could support in the end, they all have their pluses and minuses. My favorite of these is B3, and I will tell you why.

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and put it on the screen next to 4.2?

[00:36:52] Speaker 3

‸ If

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I could just

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have a moment,

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please.

[00:36:54] Speaker 3

Absolutely.

[00:36:56] Speaker 8

And can I ask, Mr. Green, is that what you want to compare it to?

[00:37:00] Speaker 3

That would be a fine comparison to start. Okay. Because it seems like there's some energy around A4.2.

[00:37:08] Speaker 11

Okay.

[00:37:10] Speaker 3

But when comparing those two, and we look at, I'll call it the key way of the yellow section.

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Okay.

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There we go.

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Okay. So focusing in on that, what I'll call the key way of the yellow section, which dips down into District 1, and that's where we see the differences between the two proposals. We see the 188 block, which has had some public concern.

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I could understand, I could make a case to say we shouldn't change that. When you go up into, on the A3, the one to the left, the 415 block, which conveys from District 2 to District 1, that puts a neighborhood more together when you're talking about the section around Broadmoor Acres.

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I'm sorry. B3. My mistake.

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That does put Broadmoor Acres more intact. What I particularly like about this is moving to the northern end of District 2, where we have the area outlined on B3 of

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‸ which is the case on both the A3 and the A4.2. Madam Vice Chair had spoken earlier about the need to unify the neighborhood along Dixon, and B3 does a better job of that. It takes neighborhoods on both sides of Dixon along Pineda and Fisk and brings some of those neighborhoods together where there's quite a bit of commonality. So I just like the idea of doing that. So all things in total, even though the numbers do not bring us as far as we could possibly go towards the

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that we were seeking, the numbers are only in the tens difference on a population of over 19,000. So it's really a de minimis change in numbers. I think that B3 does the best to preserve and expand our neighborhoods, and

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of bodies, and

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voting places.

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‸ I

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appreciate that concept, but I want to make sure that I state clearly that 340 neighborhood, that is actually dividing it in half from the neighborhood above it.

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intact. And so we've ‸ looked at breaking that neighborhood up in a couple ways, and it just doesn't make sense. That is Cocoa Hills. ‸ But I appreciate that you appreciate the concept.

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Well, no matter what we do, one neighborhood versus another will be adversely impacted.

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on which one is the better of the two. I don't have a hard feeling about it one way or the other.

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Cocoa Hills together.

[00:41:23] Speaker 1

Public input, Mr. Blake.

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‸ So, Mr. Chairman, thank you for your acknowledgement as I entered this room. Can we get a laser light? Is that what we're supposed to get a laser light so we can see the adjustments? I mean, I'm looking at the maps, but I'm just trying to comprehend exactly when you're talking about dividing the community right down the middle

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That's all. So, that's what I'm asking for. Thank you. No

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problem, sir. I believe that we were talking about this 340 block up here in map B3.

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And I believe that Madam Vice Chair, Ms. Riggs, pointed out that this community in 340 is actually, it extends further west, this 340.

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North.

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It extends further north. I apologize.

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by including this 340 in District 2.

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Correct.

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And we toiled with this quite a bit. I think the issue was that we established from the very beginning is that District 1 doesn't have space to grow other than north. Since West Cocoa is not included in District 1 and since it borders Rockledge to the south, the only way that District 1 can

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And unfortunately, in the purported maps,

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275 block.

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Cocoa Hills neighborhood would be divided in some way. And unfortunately, because of the way that the ‸ voting blocks are formed, it's not much we can do, or it appears to be, not much that can be done based off of the options presented to us and the resources that we have to change that potential division of the Cocoa Hills neighborhood.

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to better keep Cocoa Hills together while keeping us compliant. But we have voted as a commission not to consider those changes because we don't have the time and resources to do so and still be compliant with our January the 10th deadline that we're facing. ‸ Have I made sense to you, Mr. Blake?

[00:44:37] Speaker 12

Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman.

[00:44:38] Speaker 1

Thank you so much. I appreciate that. And thank

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you for the visual aid.

[00:44:42] Speaker 1

No problem at all, sir. Yes, sir.

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[00:44:45] Speaker 3

Mr. Chair, if I could, just to piggyback on what you said, I'm not sure that it's accurate to say that the only place District 1 has to grow is ‸ by annexing some of the District 2 space to the north. We know, for instance, that we have 373 units that have been approved and are being built out on King Street in this area. So 373 units translates into probably 700 more residents or something like that. Yes, sir. We know that we have

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some point in the next decade will have some number of residential units which will translate into more people. And we know that there will probably be some kind of activity within Cocoa Village over the next decade which will translate into more people. So there is growth potential. And that doesn't even include some of the infill we have in some of our ‸ disadvantaged neighborhoods where people will infill some of those vacant properties and presumably update and improve some of the older properties that could bring more population. So there is potential for growth in District 1.

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the numbers that we have in front of us which is from the last census, not what we think the next census will tell us.

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in mind that there is future growth and we should at least keep that in the back of our heads when we ‸ do this. So this potential, if any of our current districts are constrained by future growth and you look at where the potential for development is and the potential for more building, District 2 is the one that's constrained. ‸ District 2's only growth will come from annexation. And we can't predict whether that will happen.

[00:46:54] Speaker 1

Thank you, sir. I believe that we did talk about that in the beginning. And I think the issue I wanted to consider more, I wanted to consider the development more, but I was shot down on that one.

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with what we have. Unfortunately, as our city attorney has pointed out, we can't predict the future, but we can do the best we can to make those adjustments. And I think we have made those adjustments, especially considering District 3, where we're looking at 1,800 potential units. Well, 1,800 units that have been approved already that could mean an extra 3,000 residents in District 3.

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District 3. But I do agree with you that District 2 is the one that is the most constrained.

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the proposal as it relates to ‸ these maps, and one of the reasons why I am in favor of the version 4.2, is because 4.2, while just a little bit, is allowing for more of District 2 to remain intact and a higher number for District 2 than would be in District A3 if approved. So we would have a little bit more population in District 2 between versions A4,

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2,

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and A3 if approved.

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But also with that 415 neighborhood that I've received feedback from the community about, we would be leaving that more intact by leaving it alone and just bringing in the area that I didn't want to bring in, but that would be most reasonable to bring in since it is further south and closer to what is already incorporated within District 1.

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made and what it does to the small but actual increase for the population in District 2, I think I've changed my mind.

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B3

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and I would find any of those options acceptable for a final.

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Yes, sir. Ms. Moore, you have some feedback?

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Okay, Madam Vice Chair, please.

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to make sure that we are, there is, there is a possibility of expanding further from the 415 block and the 188 block to give District 1 its maximum size there. It would require giving the College ‸ Manor neighborhood to District 2 and giving all of the Cocoa Hills neighborhood west of Fisk to District 4, but it is possible these numbers work out.

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They give more growth opportunity to both 1 and 2.

[00:50:33] Speaker 8

I have a comment.

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Please.

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Okay, looking at what we've been discussing here, I think I, too, can favor A4.2, which puts us in complete compliance with what we need to do. And it is a shame that we will be, you know, rearranging a few of the neighborhoods. There's ‸ nothing we can really do about that. But there is. Time will tell in regards to, you know, future growth. Ten years from now, they'll be talking about that.

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heart, but also know that we're doing the best we can in regards to making sure we meet the requirement that we have here for us to do today.

[00:51:25] Speaker 1

Thank you, Ms. Moore. Madam Vice Chair, do you have more?

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District 4, and keep Cocoa Hills east, sorry, west of Fisk intact?

[00:51:53] Speaker 1

It appears at this time that a vote may have already been made about whether or not that expansion is something that this commission will ‸ consider.

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I will entertain that motion and give the commission an opportunity to vote on it at this time.

[00:52:20] Speaker 9

Yes, I believe I am making a new motion.

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Okay. Okay. And could you please explain that motion?

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pointer, if I could.

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you bring District and also these two right there. See those two next to each other?

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enough so that District 2 can take this entire neighborhood and have growth opportunity there. Then

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the neighborhood, that Fisk. And so that becomes part of, it is mostly District 4 now, so it's just this. We're talking about changing it

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But for this map, then the numbers work out so that this is part of District 4. District 2 essentially goes from here over a more natural kind of boundary, and then it extends in here, giving it growth potential again. The numbers work out favorably. It allows everyone to grow.

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of District 1 Northwest, District 2 Northwest, in an effort to allow more growth

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2. At this time, I will second the motion to allow that motion to get to a vote. And at this time, all in favor, please signify by... Oh, ‸ I'm sorry. Discussion. I apologize. Mr. Green, thank you.

[00:54:49] Speaker 3

‸ I would say, Mr. Chair, that just for a casual look and without delving into the dashboard, my recollection of what I've seen on the dashboard just tells my gut that those numbers will not work. But even if they would, the only way we would know that is to task ‸ the ‸ people who are doing our work here to develop yet another map for us to talk about at yet another meeting. And I believe that we already voted that we won't do that.

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I was asked to serve on this. I have given time. We've all given time.

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But ‸ I feel it is vital for our future that we see this through, even though it is difficult and even though we are asking, even though it might be harder than we anticipated, we are unlocking possibilities that make more sense for our future.

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Mr. City Manager gave us a slide a little bit earlier with bullet points of all the things that we are required to meet in our deliberations. The one requirement that he did not put ‸ on the slide, but which is there and looming large, is timeline and deadline.

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from the day we started. This information has to be presented to Council so the Council has enough time to approve or deny so that we have enough time before the next set of elections so that people can plan for it. We are faced with the reality of that timeline and that deadline,

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to, and as much as we can come up with a better product, we can't meet that requirement. And again, I said it before that we cannot let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We have good options in front of us. Maybe not the best options that we could hope for, but we have good options, and it's our job to pick one.

[00:57:08] Speaker 1

Any further discussion? Ms. Moore?

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I agree with Mr. Green ‸ that we have several options that's been given to us, and we do have to pick the best one at this time that will move the needle on to completion of this task. And I think we have done the best we can do as of what we've been given to look at and what has been provided to us for consideration.

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myself and knowing ‸ how districting is formed and how important a mission it is. I hear the fever of our vice chair and her desires, but I also must agree that while we cannot make a perfect map, we can do the best we can with what we have and move forward and giving the council a best representation of the citizens of Cocoa.

[00:58:18] Speaker 1

Thank you, Ms. Moore.

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My last comment is

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that...

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you as it relates to this motion that is on the table?

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well as a committee and I'm honored to be serving on it. and I agree 100% with Ms. Moore and Mr. Green on their opinion. Thank you.

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Final word,

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Yes. the numbers actually do, in fact, work out, and I've ‸ studied them carefully ‸ and have provided them. so we are... ‸ It is not true that they don't work. They have been provided.

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refusing to look at an option that could be not perfect but a better option

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and I want that on the record.

[00:59:20] Speaker 1

Thank you. Mm-hmm. At this time there's a motion on the floor. I will provide a second just so that it gets a proper vote. All in favor, please signify by ‸ saying aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Nay. Uh, the motion fails, uh,

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[00:59:44] Speaker 1

Um, at this time it appears just based on the discussion um, that our duty and our task while it has been uh, not the easiest task, um, is near an end. Um, from the discussion it appears that, um, that at least three of the five members of this commission uh, seem to be in agreement with version A 4.2 um, which is a version that I am um, and I make no, uh,

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with, um, being a proponent for that version and, and I've, um, outlined the reasons why already. Um, and so

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process and to provide uh,

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with a, um, a recommendation that is constitutional, um, that meets each and every requirement, um, placed before us and, um, and that, um, in the best way, uh, we could with the constraints that we have and the, uh, resources that we have, um, provides for the, um, ‸ integrity of our communities, um, when it, when it relates to and as it relates to, um, race, as it relates to, um, um, Spanish and non-Spanish speakers, um, as well as, as it relates to, um, the integrity of certain communities and keeping those communities together.

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floor for discussion before I make a motion. I will open the floor for discussion once more.

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a version in front of us, uh,

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Um, uh, is there any discussion further, um, as it relates to whether this map is appropriate or not?

[01:02:09] Speaker 9

Yes.

[01:02:10] Speaker 1

Please.

[01:02:11] Speaker 9

Um,

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west of Fisk, um, by changing some of the blocks in what is numbered 659, which is north, the north section of District 4.

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Is it possible to, uh, bring that on the screen so that we have a visual representation of what it is that is being discussed? Um, uh, I

[01:02:43] Speaker 9

think it's on our screen now on the right side.

[01:02:45] Speaker 1

Okay.

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Okay. Okay. So if you looked at the 275,

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okay,

[01:02:51] Speaker 9

um, by there, there are a series of blocks that you can pull out of the 659 block.

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Right. I believe that the city can pull up a version that would show the actual voting

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blocks. ‸ Okay.

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And so that's what I was asking for.

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actual voting blocks so that I can have an idea of what you're proposing in a, uh, so that we can have an idea of what you're proposing in a visual format. And so what you're suggesting now is, um, certain blocks, um, individual blocks, um, from version

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be modified.

[01:03:40] Speaker 9

Correct.

[01:03:41] Speaker 1

Okay. Um,

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moment, the numbers will be on the screen.

[01:03:46] Speaker 9

And actually, if we can go up to the north section and start there. The north, yeah, there we go. Okay. ‸ If you take the, um, 72 86 21 21 71 I believe.

[01:04:24] Speaker 1

So you're talking about in district four.

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Now in district four. Yes.

[01:04:30] Speaker 1

‸ Okay. So under in the current map, what you're suggesting would be in that

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uh, block on a version

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Correct.

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Yep. So if you do have the

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pointer please.

[01:04:45] Speaker 9

Yep.

[01:04:48] Speaker 1

Thank you. All right. So we're talking about 72, 86, and what else?

[01:05:00] Speaker 9

71 above.

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71?

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21 and 21.

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Okay. In this small block.

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Okay.

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of the whole 659 block.

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Yeah. And that would enable

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to stay intact.

[01:05:37] Speaker 1

And so you would want to leave Cocoa Hills in district three

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together? District four.

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I can use

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pointer.

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It's up in the 659 block though, right? Yeah. So we need to go back up.

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No, no, these, I want you to see how these, these are in the map now.

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Okay. So

[01:06:12] Speaker 9

‸ I'm saying that these stay here.

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Okay.

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In D4. That way you have this, this line stays. This 33 should go over into, into district two. So this keeps Cocoa Hills intact, this, this neighborhood or, or much more intact. This is a natural dividing line that people experience.

[01:06:44] Speaker 1

Okay. So your suggestion is for 102, 33, 36, 40, 47, and 50 to shift down into district two.

[01:06:52] Speaker 9

Nope, to stay in D4.

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To stay in D4.

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‸ Which is a change from our A4 map.

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[01:07:01] Speaker 1

Okay. So what map is this?

[01:07:03] Speaker 9

This is the original districts.

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This is the original districts.

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total?

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Two,

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three, four, five. And this one switches. So that's six there. That's why it's hard to do this without a visual aid because we have multiple maps. But this is Cocoa Hills. It should stay in Cocoa Hills in D4. If you're going to break up Cocoa Hills, at least break it up in the most natural place there is. And give this to

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Okay.

[01:07:50] Speaker 9

‸ That shift combined with the shift above keeps the numbers in their ideal ranges.

[01:07:58] Speaker 1

Okay. So

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will entertain a motion.

[01:08:04] Speaker 3 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

I'm not through with discussion, Mr. Chair. I'm sorry. Please. I apologize. Once again. Back to discussion. I'd like to refocus a little bit on the basis of what we're trying to do here. And these maps that we're drawing, let's not forget that they serve one purpose and one purpose only. And that is of the four city council persons who will be elected, they will be elected from one of these four districts. It doesn't affect anybody's vote for mayor. It doesn't affect anybody's vote for any county, state, or federal office.

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lives in each district. Okay.

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boundaries are drawn, every citizen in every district will have the same opportunity to vote for mayor who is the only representative that represents the whole city. The district map we are replacing, the old one, the 2010, met all the requirements for the past decade except the outsized growth in population that new development caused in district three. That's the only thing that's changed. Some neighborhoods were split. That's inevitable. There's no practical way to keep every neighborhood together. We don't have any evidence that the splitting of neighborhoods for this purpose has disadvantaged every community and any community because every citizen in every district has the ear of their council person and in my experience although I live in just one of the four districts I have never had any problem picking up a phone or sending an email to any council person in any district and being heard and having my ideas ‸ either advocated or not but I've had representation so even though we're splitting some of these neighborhoods and that's an unfortunate thing the practical effect of that is virtually nothing.

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district or that district. ‸ It's just not there and we're affecting I think I said up front maybe 100 people one way or the other when we move these in a city that has a population of over 19,000. So what we're doing now is we're over complicating what is a relatively simple exercise.

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[01:10:46] Speaker 3 + overlapping voice

I personally am not comfortable looking at a different alternative that doesn't have the same presentation the same graphics the same numbers at the bottom so that I can do a valid side-by-side comparison. We can do some quick math on paper or in our heads and say that looks right but none of that has been validated by people who have the official access to these things and make official maps. So based on that I am making a motion and my motion is that this group accept map A4.2 and submit it to the city council.

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‸ Got two seconds. Motion.

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accept A4.2

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A4.2 over the objection of Madam Vice Chair who would like to consider additional voting block shifting. Is that correct?

[01:12:07] Speaker 3

That is correct, sir.

[01:12:08] Speaker 1

Yes. There has been a motion. There has been a proper second. All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Mr.

[01:12:15] Speaker 14 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

Chair. Aye. I'm sorry. ‸ You need to open that up to public inputs. You're voting on the final recommendation for

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the city

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council.

[01:12:25] Speaker 1

Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. City Attorney, for keeping me on point. At this time, before we make a final vote, or before we make what could be a final vote, I'd like to open ‸ the floor to the public for discussion as it relates to the potential approval of version A4.2, which could be over the objection, which I believe will be over the objection of Madam Vice Chair ‸ Jennifer Riggs. I will call you by your proper name for the record. Any discussion from the public? Yes, sir. Please come forward, state your first and last name as well as your address.

[01:13:12] Speaker 15

Thanks, Robert.

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2203 Salem Drive,

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Thank you, sir. You may proceed.

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There was really only one public comment on this whole thing?

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Oh, me? On the second. Well, as to, as there was a comment in the last meeting, and then your comment makes

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[01:13:36] Speaker 15

Sense of community. Homeowners Association really does seem like consideration should be to keep communities together. Whether you're mandated to do that or not makes common sense, but we know where common sense falls in the law. We all do

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We all don't park on 524 against the no parking signs, but that's my comment.

[01:14:17] Speaker 1 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

Thank you. Thank you, sir. Mr. Whipple, please come forward. Could you please state your, although I said your name, your first and last name is what your address?

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Whipple Jr., 1201 Count Street,

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From what I've observed here today and past meetings, I totally agree with Mrs. Moore, Mr. Green,

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in regards to what we need to do to go forward in a positive way for the citizens. I believe that due diligence in regards to taking a look at the information, staying within the 5% up or down in each one of the communities or districts is the right thing for us to do. To come up with and devise new

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proposals

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outside of the committee's input is not the right thing for this committee to do. You've gone over and over again in regards to what this committee's requirements are to make the recommendations to council.

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As Mr. Green once said today, that each one of the district leaders will come from the district, no matter how the lines are drawn. I have concerns going forward to make sure that we adhere to past legislations and mandates to the city in regards to the consent consent decree, which I've heard nothing about, ‸ representation for district one on council, and all of these things that you're perusing has potential to change what has been mandated by the lawsuit that the city lost years ago. council.

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mandated by law for this city to adhere to is covered, we have ten more years of what we decide here to do today. today. So, those are my comments, and I'm prayerful that you guys will make the right decision, and I agree with the

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is the right thing to do at this time.

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Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Whipple.

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Um, the consent decree was discussed in great detail in our first meeting, and Mr. City Manager did, um, provide that information, as well as its impact on our decisions and the relevance of it. Um, and also,

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incorrect. According to Mr. City Attorney, um, as long as our decision is constitutional, council must either approve it, or it will be, it will go into effect if they don't approve it within a lot of time. So, ‸ they don't have, um, the opportunity to reject what we propose as long as it is within the law and constitutional. Um, we do have the final say.

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There has been public, uh, input. And there has been a proper second.

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Sure.

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Just a moment, please. I'm trying to, okay. We got the noise figured out.

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that was made, and I guess that question is, uh, directed to, uh,

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Yeah. Uh, ‸ question is directed to our attorney.

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I, based on, based on the census data, um, that we've received in the current demographic makeup of, of the districts,

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diluted in any significant way, um, in district one, um, which was the, you know, the focus of the, the lawsuit many, many years ago. So, so, you know, from a, from a natural progression demographically and the map

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two, um, you know, I don't, I don't personally believe there's, you know, some boat dilution of the African American community. So it would be consistent with, with the consent decree.

[01:19:52] Speaker 1

Thank you, Mr. City Attorney. Um,

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just wanted to get that on record.

[01:19:57] Speaker 1

Thank you, Ms. Moore.

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appreciate that.

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Please. Quick.

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One, um, the proposals that I have worked through absolutely kept in mind the consent decree and attempt to honor that and honor the history of those neighborhoods as well as our look future. Um, and I would also like to, to say that from the earliest point possible, I have tried to introduce to this commission committee committee, the idea of allowing the districts to expand westward and to take an eye to growth in the future. I brought in this map. That was a start.

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brought many times.

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we have been constrained by, no disrespect to staff, but by, by staff proposals and have been bound by them and not been able to have a broader discussion, not been willing to or not been able. I'm not sure which it ‸ is, but, but it, but that aside, it's been a pleasure working with you. So.

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The

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pleasure is

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all mine. I appreciate your advocacy. Um,

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point of clarity, but nonetheless, um, it has been a pleasure and I appreciate your zealous advocacy, uh, on behalf of your district. You have gone above and beyond,

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Um, at this time, uh, we have a motion as well as a second to approve, uh, the proposed Cocoa district version 8.42.

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[01:21:39] Speaker 1

Um, all in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed?

[01:21:45] Speaker 9

Nay. Aye.

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At this time, I'll entertain a motion for, uh, adjournment. Motion to adjourn. I second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Unanimous.

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City Redistricting Meeting 01/04/2022

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