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I guess the, the,

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Mr. Chair, the, the first thing, um, before we get to the presentation is just to go over the timeline again and, and we looked at that again.

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is February 9th, 2022.

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question that, uh, Charlene and I discussed is whether or not there needs to be two readings of the report that they give to the council. So, so, so if there are two readings, then that date, I think still is the completion date, um, for the first reading would be the council meeting of January 11th. The second reading would be January 25th. And so I don't know, Anthony, if they, if it requires two readings of a report, it's not an ordinance or anything like that. But, but again, um,

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can advise you on that if he, if he's, uh, ready to now or sometime in the future there. But the, the due date is, uh, ‸ February 9th. So, um, Mr. Mr. Chairman and members of the commission, we, we've given you three maps, um, and we'll put those on the screen as we discuss those. And we'll, we'll again, tag team this between myself and,

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McHugh.

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Okay. So we're trying to get Tara McHugh and Marshall Flynn. And they're with the East Central Florida Regional Planning Council. And they're doing the, uh, technical work on, uh, the maps there.

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so they're, they're drawing the lines there. They're,

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they're

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moving, uh, the census tracks.

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of city staff and a third party

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has the expertise and has done this and other, uh, jurisdictions. So, so that's why we have them on

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um, developed in consultation, uh, with the, uh, East Central Florida Regional Planning Council.

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so hopefully we'll have them on the line pretty soon.

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we've seen that a number of you have

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into the dashboard with prayer requests from the last meeting. So let's just go to the current map.

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This is the current.

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Okay. You make the map, the map bigger.

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Yes.

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And so in front of you, you, you have current map, you have a version a and you have a version B.

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to the map that's in front of you. And, and so you'll see the district lines, the current map.

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this is obviously based on, uh, the current population, but there's, these are the existing maps. Obviously no changes, but the census data, uh, is, um, is,

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populated within the maps there. And so you'll see, we talked about this last time. Um, we don't have this to put on the screen, do we? The maps with the, um, with the, with the numbers on the bottom of them. So, so, so, so

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if, if just to explain the map that you, that you're the hard copy that you have in front of you, obviously you see all the districts, you see the district boundaries and the legend. You'll see, uh,

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you'll see, uh, the

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district, you'll see the population of the district, you'll see the ideal, uh, population number. And again, that number is 4751. You'll see the deviation, uh, to that number is the, uh, third column.

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percentage of the ideal, i.e. where you are, uh, against above or below the, the 4751. And you can see just, just, um, just going down the districts there, percentage of ideal,

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district one is a negative, uh, 12.27 against the 4751. District two is, uh, 5.13 above district three is 9.71 above. And then district four is 2.57 below. Um, the next column gives you the number of homes. Uh,

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racial breakout, the number of whites. It gives you the percentage of the total of whites. Uh, again, by district gives you number of blacks.

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So if we go to the version 8,

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obviously have to have a jumping off point for your discussion of changes to the current map. And so what we try to do here, what the maps present are the maps, these two maps show ‸ or make the least amount of moves, i.e. the least amount of changes in census tracts and census blocks. And so that's statistically, that's sort of the first criteria that ‸ we use, you know, what's the simplest, what are the simplest moves to make, what are the easiest moves to make, again, with the least amount of moves by ‸ the census

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and blocks there. Secondly, based on the census, the thought was to preserve and maintain the current demographics within each district.

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to version A map, you can see that it's pretty close to the same demographics of the current map there. And just let me, by way of example, for ‸ District 1,

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42.71. So you can see that there is only a .50 shift there. And so, again, those were the sort of the basis for jumping off and giving you discussion maps as a sort of first matter of consideration. So, so you have A, version A, which again, the, if you're looking at your hard copies and now it's on the screen, you'll see the, the areas that are, that are circled or bracketed by the, by the red drawings. Those are, those are the areas that have ‸ moved from one district to another district. And I don't know on the, on your dashboard, Justin, if they, if they care to, if we can zero in on those, but if you want us to, we'll try to get there.

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Follow.

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by the, by the red, uh, outlines, you can see the number of, uh, of changes there.

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version B, you can see the number of

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And then just to make the same comparison, you'll see on the current map, and I'm going to just use district one, uh, percentage of black on ‸ the current map, it's 43.21. On the version A,

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was 42.71. And then on version B, it's a 43.11. Um,

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And so this matrix may be a little easier to see. You can see them all together, particularly, uh, as we talk about African American black percentages. And so you can see, um, the changes there and you can see them all those, uh, ‸ that racial, uh,

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category within all of the districts, how it's changed between the different versions there. So this may, this is less graphic, but probably a little easier to read when, when taken together across all districts.

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changed current map to version A to version B. And that's the very, uh, simple presentation.

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don't know if the attorney has something for you, but that's, uh, that's the, the, uh, presentation that, uh, we have for you today, Mr. Chairman.

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Chairman. Okay. So we can expect

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something about whether one or two readings are required at the next meeting? Oh, I can answer that question if you would like

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this point. That

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would be great.

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Um, yeah, the, the obligation that this commission has is to file a report within 120 days, um, of, of the appointment. So this commission only needs to file a report. That report needs to contain a map and the descriptions of the district boundaries in the form of an ordinance.

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The city council, on the other hand, once

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uh, report slash ordinance that, um, this commission files with the city council.

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um, are there any encumbrances that we need to think about on their 120 day timeframe, like election or anything like that, that would,

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that would be problematic? Right. No, that's, it's already factored into the, the time schedule that's set forth in the charter. This commission

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120 days of your appointment, which is by February 9th, your report needs to be filed with the city council.

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um,

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city council?

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11th, January 25th, and then February 8th.

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February 9th deadline. Yes.

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Thank you.

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Does that conclude your presentation or are we bringing in some, uh,

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I didn't want to disrupt the meeting while dialing. So if you want me to bring in the economic development, uh, council, we can dial them in.

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uh,

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Mr. City

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you come down Michigan to range road. Is that including the cocoa conservation area all the way up the Hooper drive, which is the end of the city line?

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you come down the curve. It's Michigan turns into range road. You just

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There's only some

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That's where I'm confused as far as

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the last meeting that as you guys have those, these type of questions, it's kind of sort of real time.

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Okay. That's fine. Give

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us a couple seconds.

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Let's find out next meeting.

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Yes. There we

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go.

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So we just didn't have the right driver.

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That's very possible.

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I'm sorry.

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that. I'm

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just kidding. ‸ That's it.

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That's Hoover Drive? Yeah, so

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it's

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Hoover.

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it. Hoover

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Gray. Mr. Riggs found it. It is Hoover Drive.

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Yeah, it's on there.

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Yeah.

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Thank you. That's what I wanted to find out. Thank you. Yeah.

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So we can

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just have them take a five minute break and we can dial in.

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Thank you.

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We're ready

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for them to dial in. Just, you can just give us a five minute pause or two minute pause and we'll dial them in.

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yeah. And so, and so again it is, the maps are created...

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Thank you.

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Good morning. Good morning, commissioners.

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So, so again, Tara McHugh

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Tara and Marshall, we are current map, version A map, and version B maps.

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I think we're ready, Mr. Chair.

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Sure. Madam Vice Chair

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has a question just before we have the brief.

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Yes. I'd like to make sure that I'm understanding the percentage of total in the other columns.

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wondering if you can speak to that. It's very different between version A and version B. I'm wondering if you can give us a little advance on what drives that.

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percent total of other is all the other races that are, for instance, Hawaiian Islanders and American Indians and all kinds of different ones that are a small ‸ percentage. And basically what it is is the number is the total population minus the other races that we have listed.

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So that's what you have left over. So that becomes the total. Why they're different is I believe that

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I don't know, but the numbers are the raw numbers. So when you actually see the raw numbers, that is ‸ what comes out of the census.

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I understand what you're saying, sir, but just to ‸ kind of understand, to help me better understand,

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much lower. So even if we're subtracting these other populations from the total population, it still shouldn't result in a thousand less people, right? It should be the same number of other people just redistributed into different districts, correct?

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Correct. However, for each district, the other number is what is left over. So I'm looking at A and I'm going to look at B. Yeah, I see what you mean. 1,200. Yeah, okay. So that is not right. That can't be right for B.

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The numbers are much lower than would be expected based upon the current map as well as the version B map.

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You know,

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this, this A, this version A is the one that was done today, which was an older version of A that was re-updated. Okay. So

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For instance, ‸ yeah, I've got 1165 for District 2 in the A2 version. Now I know you probably don't have the A2 version in front of you. So this is really just an addition or a subtraction error on this one. Okay.

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So could you give us those numbers so that we can pencil them in for the other category? We have four categories. So in the top number for District 1, what should other be?

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Other should be 902.

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Okay.

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Thank you, sir. For District 3, what should the number be?

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622.

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4, sir?

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Mr. Chair, can I ask questions?

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Absolutely, Mr.

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this is all under other, the 111 to 622 and then in District 4, the 106 to 865, they don't affect any of the other percentages, numbers and percentages.

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The other numbers of percentages are always as they are. The other ‸ is really a created column because there is no other that exists like that. So basically in the census you have like about five more rows of races that are very small percentages. So this just takes care of them in one lump. So no, it does not affect white, black or Asian.

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Yeah, and the percentage of the totals for that, for the other changes obviously also because 902 of the 416, 19 Marshall is 1.95 as opposed to 2. So your percentage total column was wrong also, right?

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Correct. I will read those off.

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Okay.

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District 2 is 24.99.

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District 3 is 12.82.

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What did you say again on that one?

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to B and they don't look strange.

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think I'm good sir. Thank you.

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What was your question sir?

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Yes, my question is uh regarding the two categories Asian and other. You've explained that the other is just a conglomeration of those other categories that appear in the census. uh From having looked at the data, uh I get the the feeling that the

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So I wonder what your decision point was when you selected Asian over Hispanic and wouldn't we get a better representation if we had a Hispanic column and then put the Asian population in with the all others?

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had a

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uh at the staff level uh about two weeks ago about this and the the Hispanic

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So, you know, when we're comparing apples to apples, we wanted to be comparing races. And so Hispanic is a language thing. So Hispanic, think of

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And that's how the census counts them. It's how it's what they speak. So

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calculations. It is just all the other races. Okay,

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that makes sense. Thank you. thank you they do have Yeah, I saw that. but this Yeah, it is... i

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um I'm wondering if um if there's a concern that a group that self-identifies would ‸ would like to be observed or... And is that is that what you're pointing to in the question perhaps and that we

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i i can I can make a suggestion. Other other maps could be ‸ Just show uh Hispanic and non-Hispanic as kind of like a shaded overlay perhaps or something. um But

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really the same as a race breakout.

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reasonable so i think How difficult would it be to add that shaded area for Hispanic and non-Hispanic? Just for reference. For reference. I

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could probably have that in two days.

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Excellent. Our next meeting won't be for a week. So that's more than uh ‸ You have more than enough time. um I guess mrs Mr. City Manager can see to it that that's done. Is that okay? Yes,

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sir. uh And I i do have another question for Marshall.

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Yes, sir. uh Is it possible for miss more to ask her question? oh

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‸ Well, your question may be the same one that I have. um In regards to how we look at this in a census way, I understand what you did

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because you do have an inclusive uh group here in regards to how they identify themselves. So on the census themselves, when they uh checked, they checked that they were Hispanic or just Hispanic speaking. Are you?

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It's my understanding, but

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know, training. But uh

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say Caucasian, black or Asian or whatever. And then you, uh it does a question that says, are you Hispanic? Do you speak Spanish? Is that your main language? And then they they break down languages even further than that. So uh some other languages are actually mentioned in the census as well.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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I'm good, Mr. Chair. Okay.

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Thank you, sir. um At this time, I'd like to open the floor for uh

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uh and I'd like to point the discussion just a little bit as to uh the thoughts of the commission on these three maps, current population versus version A2.

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to reflect version A2. So we'd like to be specific with that, as well as version B. um Thoughts, discussion, um

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think, go ahead ‸ Okay,

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first I want to say thank you for giving us a head start

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how to look at this. um Because it really kind of breaks down uh the fairness of what we are trying to do. uh And that is to, you know, make sure that um households, being a white, black, Asian, or other, are represented. um I think we really have to, I mean, I know we have to pay attention to, you know, uh as uh Don had mentioned, we want to look at the roads, the, you know, the housing associated with those uh particular blocks.

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um That's what I would like to do. I would like to try and see, you know, based on the discussions we've had thus far. Let's overlay that onto, you know, black, white, Asian, other.

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‸ Any other input? Madam Vice Chair,

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I think that we had discussed trying to keep neighborhoods that have, then this is what I think you're speaking to, that have a sense of neighborhood intact. um

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Hills is broken up. And I have walked all of those streets, and that's a neighborhood. um So that is, that's definitely breaking that up. um So it's just north of Dixon. Yeah.

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Okay. So that's another consideration of thought. Yeah. um Mr. City Manager, is there any information that's available um to, uh that that explains the uh explosion of, well, I don't want to be presumptive. First and foremost, um I would imagine that the numbers were closer to equal when the last commission uh made their decisions and their suggestions in

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I imagine that the numbers were more even when they did what they did. Do we have the ability to see what the breakdown was uh in the districts then? Do we have those? Do we have that available? Yeah.

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you Are you saying, I just want to make sure I understand. So you we would

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hold

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on charlie we go back in time, look at what they proposed and what was adopted in 2011 and

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Not as to the demographics. I'm just curious about the raw numbers. For example, District

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4168, so on and so forth. okay I'm curious about the raw numbers because the question that I have in my mind ‸ is uh whether we can think about or consider the factors that led to the numbers being defunct in the first place. um For example, I would imagine that in 2011, when the commission met, that they didn't propose something that led to the numbers looking like this. I would imagine that the numbers were closer together when they made their decision and then something happened in between then and now to cause those numbers to change.

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disproportionate to this point because I think that that that

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a considering those factors um should be something that we do when we decide on whatever we decide uh to propose to council. Because, for example, if there is explosive growth going on in District

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that is going to continue happening because of some trends that are occurring, then it doesn't make sense to accept a proposal that would that would cause District

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to still be the lowest. ‸ because when we meet again, well, not when we meet, but

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occurred

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account for the factors that led to the numbers being uh disproportionate in the first place. uh Is there a way or is

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uh to help us to understand what growth patterns led to what happened? Are you

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go back to 2010, show you the census uh numbers by district. And then what you're asking is how how has it grown from 2010 until the 20 census? um I'm not sure how we're we're going to get there. uh You know, that's that's that's population growth. You know, you can, I guess we can tell you what developments have happened on the on the city side that have been approved and ‸ number of of uh housing units and things like that. But but to to go back and say the census was in in 2010, it was just by way of example in District

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in 2010, there was a population of 4 000 and maybe in

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there was a population of 3 000 and now, you know,

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is obviously growing the most. And your question is, well, what are the trends over that 10-year period? um I'm not sure how we would get there. If we can get there, we can do some thinking about that. Okay. And you tell me if I got your your sentiment. Yes,

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sir, you do. And the reason why I ask is because if we can look at um the approval of certain developments that led to this growth to happen in this way, maybe then we can look at what development we have on the table now that could lead to the numbers changing moving forward and consider that in our decision. Does that make sense?

[00:37:40] Speaker 2 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

Yeah. And and I think we talked a little bit about that the last time. Do you do you draw your districts based on the census data that's in now or do is it a combination of census data and predictive growth? And that was a throwing

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last meeting or not. Maybe we even talked

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there the when you when you establish the

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the districts will evolve over time. As I understand, the

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may

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grow more in population in the next 10 years based on a crystal ball analysis

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So does this commission consider that growth or potential growth in drawing the district boundaries? I think that's what you're talking about.

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Mr. City Manager, so not

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what I mean. And the reason why is because we're not talking about ‸ crystal ball made up analysis. When we look at District

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District

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is bordered by rock ledge So the extent to which District

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is likely to grow is limited by geographical boundaries because we can't move into rock ledge Whereas District

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that is more subject to annexation, um that has more open land mass that can be built upon and populated. And that is being developed and ‸ has more space for development. And so i I'm not talking about a crystal ball analysis. I'm talking about looking at actual factors um that we have. room for development, actual development that is occurring, um to think about future trends and the possibility for growth. um I

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definitely don't want to make guesses based on some crystal ball.

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um crystal ball analysis is a metaphor for trying to project. um So what I'm understanding is based on reasonable factors which you mentioned, such as annexation, available vacant land. Yes,

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sir.

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‸ You know, the the Commission may want to consider projecting population growth in in, say, District

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And

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Chairman, ‸ has a high likelihood of of adding population. um I mean, frankly,

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homes on the drawing board out there near I-95

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And

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So let let me let me give you some guidance on the legal requirements. Yes, sir. you are The Commission is obligated to draw the district boundary lines based on the 2020 census, not projections.

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With that said, um you know, and and and under the not only this 2020 census,

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population. That's a charter requirement. Frankly,

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constitutional requirement. ‸ if you want this Commission's work to be presumed to be constitutional and done in good faith using traditional district boundaries, I would highly encourage you to

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want that. You want that imprimatur on top of your work product. So when you want to consider potential projections in balancing the population totals for each district, my recommendation to you would be balance those populations

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if you wanted to um slightly add, you know, on the positive side, more population in District

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because of the constraints you mentioned, Mr. Chairman, and provide a lower population in District

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based on reasonable projections, as long as you're within that

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I think you can consider those projections. That would be my advice. is that like I don't know if I was clear on that.

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Very clear. Okay. Much appreciated. ‸ Madam Vice Chair, I have Mr. Green with a question. Right. And then

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um

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and it goes along with what City Attorney is saying, and that is, uh you know, this is by nature uh

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the reason we're a

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backward looking uh process. And uh the reason we do it every 10 years is because of these inevitable changes that take place. And uh we can uh take a very clear-eyed look at it and know that what we come up with today, which is very closely aligned with the most recent population, will not be aligned 10 years from now when we do this again, which is why

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I think we might be well advised to ‸ consider some of the things we know and look at uh those districts that we anticipate the most

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uh and bolster some of the other districts so that as we go year by year by year to our next 10 year goal, those numbers stay more closely aligned, although they never will be fully aligned. And uh with regard to what we know has been approved and what we know is being built, it's true that

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uh I disagree with you slightly about District

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uh

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in

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that we know that there is a significant uh development under construction now out on King Street, out on 520, an apartment development which will add a lot of bedrooms and a lot of people to go with it. uh

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uh We have development along uh Clear Lake uh where there's a neighborhood going in.

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uh So District

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has potential for growth as well. uh Obviously the largest potential growth for growth is District

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I think followed by District

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District

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and District

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are pretty well built out. uh District

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also has some room for annexation along King Street if uh anybody expresses an interest in doing that. Now when we look at the undeveloped land in District

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let's not forget that a lot of that land by zoning is commercial. So we won't get a lot of residential development in there above and beyond what we're already doing.

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open spaces filling in. So my recommendation would be

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and bump up

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and

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a little bit if we can.

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okay okay

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i

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just want to point out quick quick math fact if you look at an anticipated thousand extra people in district

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okay So higher ‸ So it's

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more ‸ it's more than

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that Yeah. okay

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okay So

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that's how much we're going to be out of whack right as soon as we do it. okay

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So

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end, yeah that's the best we can do. yep

[00:46:31] Speaker 10

And then I guess we would just want to be noting that we were aware of it and we...

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any further discussion as to version A2 and version B? um Well, uh as as we've already discussed, it you know, we're seeing some development coming. We understand that

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has been growing more than the other districts and the numbers show it. um So I like the idea of

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I think

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under for District

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is problematic because it's already far, far, far under. um but um But I think for the most part, I think for the most part, we're on the same page. uh We just need to, uh I guess, cross cross tease and that as and figure out how

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No,

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I was just thinking, uh well, I was

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my mic is ‸ not working. uh Did you press the button? I did.

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Okay. You

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know, the larger the districts grow, they're going to

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moving District

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more towards the, I don't know if you want to say the northeast or northwest.

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be clear

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further ‸ 524. Because of the growth on 524.

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So I think that, like you say, you want, you know, District

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‸ don't have any room to grow. But what they're going to do is they're

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probably down to, you know, Clear Lake. And then they'll move District

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over, and

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And I think eventually it's bound to balance only because there won't be any room left to build. uh

[00:48:58] Speaker 6

Yes, sir. I think you have a great point.

[00:49:01] Speaker 1

I think our job,

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because we're understanding the shift, the shift northward, um I think our job is really to do our best to protect the integrity of these communities as we shift northward. Because we see it, um but we want to do as little damage to the sense of community that has been developed in these districts and as little damage to the uh demographic representation of the populations they're in as we shift northward. um Because that that appears to be the clear pattern. And so um it seems that at least two of us are on board with um the idea of erring

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District

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um is Is there a motion that can be made in terms of um a presentation for our next meeting of maps that reflect that um for our next meeting?

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let me

[00:50:18] Speaker 6

let me just ask, uh probably

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less in the way of guidance, but more in terms of questions. Yes,

[00:50:24] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

sir. So

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so as you look at uh what we're now calling A2, and and Marshall, just to be clear, we're calling the version a A2 because of the changes to the other categories there.

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you are you indicating that the sort of the jumping off point i.e changes to be made to further maps we're going to use a2 as that base map

[00:51:01] Speaker 5

huh Yeah, version A.

[00:51:04] Speaker 12

Current. I just want to make sure we're not, when we look at...

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okay Go ahead. um

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asking, Mr. Stockton. When we look at A2, are we still looking at the exact uh changes that you have on this version A in regards to, you know, how we move the population and the communities? Yeah,

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we we just simply corrected the map.

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as... for those on the screen? Okay.

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[00:51:46] Speaker 12 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

mentioned before. Maybe if we can look at these communities uh in both on both maps. I mean, I think we're... I think the guidance that we've been given as an initial

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us a good road map to start with in

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within those particular squares of movement. I'm hoping that I'm reading this correctly in regard to, like, District

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We're talking about moving. I'm not sure what that street would be.

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inclusion for District

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‸ The

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square of the District

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uh On the other side of Dixon is for District

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I only see one square. And

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I don't see anything in District

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because That's that Well, Version B says that, that we're taking away some from

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There's not really any taken away. Am I correct or am I wrong on that?

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Yeah, in

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and B, they're taken away from

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see

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now

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around Michigan. Yes, ‸ I see that now. Yes, ‸ Okay, that community. So, because I'm looking at the current

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[00:53:11] Speaker 12 + overlapping voice

right. So, uh can you know, I really would like to see, you know, what communities are being affected um so that we can look at the demographics of of those particular communities and try and see if we're breaking up uh communities, uh what what's inclusive in that community for us um race is concerned. Okay. and um And then we can kind of have better conversations. I know we're just looking at plus and minus right now, but it would give us some uh some meat to deal with in regards to exactly who we're talking about and what communities we're talking about.

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raised by Madam Vice Chair earlier that a particular community in Coco

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um they've been

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pretty

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much broken down for us that those things have changed very little with the two proposed versions.

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look closer at what is being broken up, the actual communities and the integrity of those communities,

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next meeting. um I think

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motion as it relates to what seems to be an agreement between us to

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on the low side for District

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at the minus

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And so that um the staff can present to us maps, um which could be a modified version of Version A or B,

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which we want to use as our um as our um

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guess, model that will be modified for us to look at more moving forward. And so I think the question right now is, of these two maps that have been presented to us, which one is most acceptable for further discussion? A or B, or do we want to give have them present to us

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[00:55:42] Speaker 9

Mr. Chair, I would like to move that we request staff to present modified maps that take into consideration uh District

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being closer

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necessary to achieve that mathematical goal

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And so that takes into account Mrs. Moore's concerns as well.

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However,

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um I believe that Madam Vice Chair might have um been thinking about a modification of that motion to include both versions A2 and version B. Is that what you were thinking? Because I saw you shaking your head.

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Additionally, and I think that it might help us in the next version of the map that we receive, that we zoom in on these um inscribed, red inscribed areas and include the the census block number. um

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Yeah.

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Okay. If

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that's possible.

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So, the I believe, are you okay with modifying the motion to include all of those concerns? So, I believe that the motion before us today

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that reflect a low end

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and

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that are being changed from one district to another. Is that correct?

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With census block numbers.

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With census block numbers.

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[00:57:36] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice

opposed? The motion that is that is uh offered by Mr. Green and seconded by Vice Chair has been approved unanimously. And so we anticipate seeing two maps um

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uh ‸ I'm clear. ‸ Yes, ‸ Any further discussion? Yes,

[00:58:03] Speaker 9 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

Mr. Chair. Yes,

[00:58:04] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

Mr. Green.

[00:58:04] Speaker 9 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

I would just like to submit to ‸ fellow commission members that although the ideal thing is to be able to go out and walk neighborhoods and get a feel for it and all that, we all have our own constraints. I personally find it very helpful to use a tool like Google Maps or uh you know uh some of those things to look at neighborhoods from the air, see where the parks are, see where the churches are, see where the schools are. And it helps me visually make sense of some of those neighborhoods. uh So I would just offer to fellow members that that's something I'll be doing as homework for myself between now and the next meeting, and it might be a good thing for all of us to do.

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Agreed. uh Am I hearing any further discussion? um

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because the further discussion, I think, should be as to these new proposed maps that we are to see in our next meeting in a week from today. um At this time, unless there's more discussion from the staff, I'll entertain a motion for...

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i

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have I'm sorry.

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‸ That's all

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Does anyone in staff here have a brief history of the annexation so that we can

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two years or...?

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years.

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Okay, I think

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is there anything underway

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surrounded districts,

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[01:00:00] Speaker 2 + overlapping voice

don't think we've talked about anything at the council. level

[01:00:02] Speaker 10 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

Okay.

[01:00:03] Speaker 2

Okay. So

[01:00:04] Speaker 10

we can... So that means that we can be assured from staff that there are no current annexation discussions underway. ‸ Well,

[01:00:11] Speaker 2 + overlapping voice

I don't... Then we get back into, you know, crystal balls and predictive sort of things, you know?

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and things like that, you know? So... Yeah,

[01:00:27] Speaker 10

that's that's all I want to hear is we have no discussions on annexations underway ‸ right now.

[01:00:32] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices

Okay. And

[01:00:34] Speaker 10

if that's not the case, I just... I want to know... We just want to know.

[01:00:39] Speaker 6

Okay. So I i guess at our next meeting, we will be expecting um versions of A2 and version B that comport to the motion. um Some information about annexation as well as

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about, but I don't know if... it is Okay, some information about that. and um And that sounds like about it.

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[01:01:14] Speaker 6

All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. aye Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously.

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City Redistricting Meeting 12/07/2021

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