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Cocoa Police Department Citizen Advisory Committee, and I now at 6 p.m. call this meeting to order. If we could all stand, please, for the national anthem,

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well,

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not for the national anthem, but for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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pledge

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allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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We need

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an invitation. Want to handle that?

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Mr. Bookhart.

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Heavenly Father, we ask your guidance. We ask your care for the public, the

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the protection and care of police officers here, all of the public servants that serve our citizens so well. We ask this from you, Lord. Amen.

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Amen.

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Please be seated. And we'll have our roll call.

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Mr. Edmonds.

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Here.

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Ms.

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Brown. Here. Mr.

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Mr. Thomas.

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And Mr. Batier. That's right.

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All righty. Excellent. I'm going to give everyone just a moment to review our February 11th minutes, and then I will entertain a motion for their approval.

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I motion to accept the minutes of February 11th.

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by saying aye. Aye. ‸ Any opposed the motion passes unanimously to accept the February 11th 2021 minutes as

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open the floor for discussion on any of the matters that are before us at this time.

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welcome

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got some swagger to him I like that ‸ so what I'll say is as to 21-07 and 21-09 I really liked that in these situations, there was some retraining and conversation about what the officer could do better moving forward and I think those moments are really important I've had a lot of those moments as an attorney when an older attorney saw me in court and pulled me to the side and just kind of corrected me and gave me suggestions and advice and I really appreciate every time that I see even even when you know someone is exonerated or even when something may be unfounded, hey, we could have handled this a little bit differently and this is why and so I think those two those two are great examples of that retraining and mentoring that has the potential to make our young up-and-coming officers better at their jobs and and build trust between law enforcement and the community

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if ‸ I had it had I'd take it off to the work that you're doing as it relates to those two

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make a motion to approve the agenda tonight's agenda we approve it did the motion for the minutes I think we need to do a motion for the tonight's agenda and then and then they um we need to elect the new chair and vice chair so it's fine if you want to do those after but I just think we need to have a um a motion for the tonight's agenda

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okay

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guess I'm confused because I know usually we approve the agenda at the next meeting for the last meeting but um

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well he's he's

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we approve you approve the minutes oh

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okay that's fine yeah

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meeting do

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I hear

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in favor please signify by saying aye aye aye any opposed The motion to which to accept tonight's agenda uh as printed uh has been approved unanimously. and yes we are a year in so I I guess it is time wait when did we when do we

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And we never really had a vice chair because that was um I don't remember the gentleman's name that was off the board shortly after the the committee began So we never really had a second person voted in the the vice chair and then yeah, a year is up. ‸ So we need to do both.

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yes sir understood uh I will entertain a motion at this time uh for chair uh as well as vice chair

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thank you sir All in favor, please signify by saying aye

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aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed? The ayes have it. um As the vice chair, I'll entertain a motion at this time

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All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? The motion passes unanimously for vice chair. all

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right

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Okay. We got it.

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we're gonna ‸ move to the first one then I guess

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Sure. we We have our housekeeping in order. um yeah um so Any

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Just a comment. uh since, uh the findings of the investigation resulted in, uh the fact that, uh the incident the

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did not occur at all. uh I recommend we approve it

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the thing about this one that that hit home for me was that um the complainant was invited to review the video with uh super supervisors at

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and refused to do ‸ so I know that if there was a matter of of urgency to me that um and I felt that I was wronged uh I would take the chief or the commander whoever up on that opportunity um and so you know I I would definitely I don't have an issue with the way this one was handled especially because um the complaint it did not follow up when given an opportunity to do so ‸ I think that's important okay

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any

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further discussion as it relates to 21-05?

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um moving on I'll entertain discussion as it relates to 21-06

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uh

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think as it pertains to 21-06 so once again

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the incident uh was unfounded. uh So it works well in in both ways.

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agreed and and I would add that again there was an opportunity for follow-up um that

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and um and that speaks to the veracity of the

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complaint in my mind. at this time I'll entertain any discussion as it relates to 21-07 from March 4th 2021

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PD because it was clear here that Officer McNamara, while the actions did not rise to the point that some serious action should be taken against him, some serious disciplinary action should be taken against him.

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because

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talk themselves into a ticket if they did not in fact earn one or do something to cause you to want to write them a ticket in the first place.

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and could be something that's very intimidating for a member of the public to hear from law enforcement. And in my opinion, to make such threats as an abuse of power and so for there to be a teachable and training moment there from this I think is important. Ultimately, there wasn't a ticket issued and there was not enough to move to the next level of discipline. and I'm fine with that when reviewing this complaint.

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agree. I think we should say

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we accept the findings on this?

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We never have voted on accepting the findings before. We just kind of comment on them. I guess if we have a A disagreement.

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Right.

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If we have a disagreement and we want to make suggestions we can and vote on that. At this time I'll entertain discussion as it relates to 21-08.

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Oh, you have something to say you can

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please.

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I'm

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fine. I have for you. My only thought was I was just wondering. What does weapons out or weapons ready mean? Or ‸ it says the officers did have weapons systems out. Yeah.

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So basically an officer can have his weapon out and it's not considered a use of force when he brings it up to the person and points it at someone that's considered a use of force because now I have a firearm pointing at you. So there's a difference of a low ready or just out and open then pointing it at the person.

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Right. Maybe I missed this, but I didn't know what the original stop was for.

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they were leaving McDonald's and they just got pulled over. And as I read further,

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was a said this was a felony stop and that's why there are three officers out with.

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Yeah, this was a shots fired call ‸ and now you bring that up again. We talked about it the last time that we probably should have incorporated that call for service in this complaint because it's not there.

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and this vehicle was leaving the area of the description

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stop on this vehicle. So it's kind of hard to understand when you don't have that other report there.

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by them. But moving forward, when we have that incident of a traffic stop or some other activity regarding a different call for service, we're going to incorporate that in the paperwork moving forward.

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Much appreciated. That definitely helps me to understand because

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And

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I remember it did come up right the last time. It

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came up and there was brief discussion because I think even though we didn't have a quorum, there might have been some.

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Yes.

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We received everything and so on and so forth. No action was taken. But but

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And it helps me to understand that they were responding to a call about shots fired and and they could have believed that the inhabitants of that vehicle were armed and dangerous. So that helps me to better understand. And considering that, I think that the actions taken here were were explainable and reasonable. Assuming that it was because of shots fired and they believed had reason to believe that the inhabitants were armed and dangerous.

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actually see it? Uh,

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I don't remember. I don't remember. It's been quite a while.

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don't. Yeah, it's been a while.

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I think this might have been the one that we asked for footage on, um, to see the low ready and whether that was actually done. But,

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either. And so I think that's why we wanted more information, um, back then. Right. From what I can remember. Right.

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Well, Commander,

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let me ask you this. Uh, in, in cases of shots fired, uh, or in ‸ progress, uh, robberies or anything along those in progress lines. Uh, would it be, uh, a common practice for officers to have their weapon ready, but at the low ready?

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Yes, yes,

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just because a

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mean

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everything.

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view, seeing that going on or a person in a vehicle that is not involved. It looks like it's too much, but in reality, we're, we're thinking the person's in this car that just committed that shooting. Right? So again, we feel for the driver when it's not that person and we try to explain to them, you know, what occurred. And this is the reason why we did what we did not always comes over the best way, but we do try to explain to them the reason why they took that action.

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So if this happened today, you would have the same action, the same response.

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Yes, sir.

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Okay.

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Okay. Any further

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I, I noticed when I was reading this, that, uh, uh, there was an incident and the gentleman came to the police department to make

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complaint. And at that time, the officer didn't have his body cam on. So he didn't capture everything that happened inside the police department.

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What it says it, it recommends that the officer activates the body camera with any type of police action with a citizen. So if I was just talking to you on the side of the road as just, Hey, how you doing? That wouldn't call for that type of activation. But. A on station, if you're coming on station to file a complaint or file a report, it should be activated.

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So, yeah, another question.

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do have cameras at the police department in the lobby and certain other areas. So this incident that happened,

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Yeah. And I believe I'm reading the one where,

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from my understanding that the, uh, officer, uh,

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that I could take you to jail and, you know, you know, just like, uh,

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chairman said,

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And you said, okay, I'm going to threaten to take you to jail and just making threats in general.

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Right.

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you know disciplinary action against the officer was sustained and he was required to go to anger management training

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or retired resign shortly after this for another incident that's going to come in front of the board next time so I don't believe he actually went to that training. That was required. Maybe

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had he, he would

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is a recommendation to anger management training or something like that in terms of disciplinary, is there a time frame given on how soon they must complete that training?

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Not typically because classes or training may not be available at that time or, you know, six months down the road because it's it's like an advanced type of training that the college usually puts on

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to a specific class so it may depending on when the class is being held, it may be quicker than most or it may be months before they're they're able to get ‸ the follow-up on that.

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to add,

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So when we provide that additional training, it is our goal to get it done quickly sooner than later. That's the ultimate goal. and then once they get that training, we have that document so we can put ‸ in that file. So anything come up on the question later, we have it, but ‸ they've been provided that additional training.

[00:23:17] Speaker 6

Okay.

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So, so

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if it happens again, then we have some recourse that we've tried to rectify the problem and it didn't work

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that there were some time limits placed on when that training had to be done but I do understand you ‸ how government works and, and how these training works and and that sometimes, you know, there may be a time frame that you're up against and certain training may not be available as quickly as you might want. So I understand that any more comment as it relates to 21-09 okay hearing none I move on to citizen complaint 21-12 And entertain discussion as it relates to that op that matter.

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think this is pretty straightforward

[00:24:55] Speaker 1

Yeah, this one seems very straightforward to me. And I thought that it was beautiful how a simple apology could make a world of difference. You know, the ‸ complainant who was upset ‸ gave an apology to the officer. And the officer gave an apology in response to her as well. And she felt better about the situation. And so I love that. I love that officer's use of de-escalation methods, such as an apology to calm the person that they're dealing with. I think that's an example of some good training there, in my opinion. Any further discussion? Moving on to complaint 21-14.

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Mr. Chair, this is the one you identified the last time about the camera. They didn't have camera, and the driver located the camera at another business, showing that she wasn't at fault for the accident.

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don't know if you remember that. Yes,

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yes,

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yes.

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Trying to think. It's been quite some time.

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‸ Initially, she was charged at fault for the accident because of the way that the evidence appeared. And then she was adamant she was in the right and located, I think, at ‸ that new prescription or medication placed there on the corner. Had video. And she was able to call the supervisor over to watch the video and show that she was actually in the right in the accident and everything worked out.

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Well, that's nice that it worked out that way.

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Any discussion as it relates to this matter?

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No.

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Hearing none, move on to 21-17.

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time.

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Commander. Yes, sir. On this, it seems like most of these come around from traffic stops.

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performer and is concerned for citizens.

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‸ So, he's going to be doing a lot of stops. No further.

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Hearing no further discussion as it relates to 21-17, I'll move on to 21-18 and entertain discussion as it relates to this matter.

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The only question I have on this one is, Unfounded was stricken

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with it looks like FJ initials.

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Who initials? I'm not sure those initials

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are.

[00:31:21] Speaker 6

Yes, that's actually my report and I put the wrong finding. So that's why I just initialed it next to it where I changed it.

[00:31:31] Speaker 7

Okay, good. I do have a question regarding this here. ‸ So Ms. Williams, she stated that she didn't give the officer's permission to come into her home. But he's exonerated. So on the tape does it show that her said okay well yes you're welcome to come into my house.

[00:31:51] Speaker 6

Yes, and she actually came to the police department a little while after this and was adamant that she didn't give permission and I told her because she's a it was a criminal matter and she was the state attorney's office premier witness because that was part of the crime was the burglary armed burglary. So I think what she was trying to do was help her son because it was her son or her son's friend I don't really remember and kind of trying not to get him in trouble and saying she didn't give permission to come in the house. But clearly on the body cam because we're acting off of her. She was the victim at the time. She allows them to come in and they actually find the firearm in there.

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The only issue I have with any of this is it's all exonerated or non founded and I'm not questioning any of this. It's just that we don't see anything besides words on the paper and we got to rely on that with the public.

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couple of meetings are we going to be able to watch some of the videos so we could you know have no doubt that these are unfounded and exonerated

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been presented to us if if I may.

[00:33:21] Speaker 1

Um, I think that we we discussed this before and we were told yes we can get access but um we either have to. Let them know before the meeting when we receive the stuff weeks out that we're interested in it or at the meeting we can request it for the next meeting so

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now

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we're meeting every 60 days is it possible to include the video in our packets for our next meeting

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issue we have is the the videos they may have some information on there that has to be redacted because of public records so it could be it and this is the reason why in the past we haven't done that is because

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it's an enormous amount of time to redact videos and to watch them all, replay them and redact them and send them because we have to do it in a link. So that's why I was kind of saying if there was any ones that you had an issue with individually, I can send you them either prior to if you would rather. I can't send them the forms out too far before the meetings. So

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a week or two so you guys can get a preview of the cases instead of looking at them the night of the meeting. Um, I don't think I'm going to be able to do that with videos.

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I can take this video and highlight that portion you're talking about where she says, come on in and send that out on the link. But time wise, we wouldn't be able to do it like on ‸ tonight because I have to redact the whole videos prior to because I can't just play them because some of them are public records exemptions.

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Understood. I think that we probably need to get in touch with you far enough in advance so that we can determine whether or not redacted.

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Edmonds

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has asked for certain videos and I have sent the link out. Right.

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Yeah. Well, what I'm getting at is though, if you have to

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read that

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things on a video, uh, I don't know if that's going to do anything other than cloud the issue because you're not getting any entire picture. Potentially. Yes.

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uh,

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I mean, if it was an area where, uh, a specific action was taking place, like you was to say, the officer approaches the car and says something to the driver occupant. Uh, and you could isolate that and we know what was said or ‸ the house in this particular case. Uh, I don't think there's much of a problem with that, but that would be a very short clip. I don't think that, um, viewing at all. If it's, uh, been redacted is, is, uh, beneficial to anyone. I think that's going to cloud the issues.

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And like Mr. Bookhart said, and that specific, yeah, I can send a video of just her telling the officers, yes, come on in. I don't, I want, I don't want this guy in my house and you know, that's what your, that's what your concern was. Right. ‸ So something like that, I could, I could totally do either before the meeting, if you caught it before the meeting or after the meeting, like right now, if you said, I'd like to see that where she gives them the,

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um,

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acknowledges them to come in.

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Sure. I like to see that. Okay.

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at this time, um, do we

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No, no. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'd like to, to see that as well. Just the, the request for, um, permission to enter and then the response would be great.

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Okay.

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Thank you. Okay. Um, any further

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No.

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Okay. And now I'll entertain discussion as it relates to matter

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that's the

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cover page. Commander, could you give us a little overview on this one? ‸ We're looking at different time frames in here.

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that we had in 2020? I'm sure it was included in previously,

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yes.

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So could you do that? Just kind of give us an overview of this?

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I'm

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trying to read it and trying to remember some of the. I think the family was complaining that their child was being targeted by officers because he was consistently getting pulled over for traffic.

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violations. Lieutenant Ando did the inquiry. Checked in the system how many times we had made contact with him. And then it was the traffic stop on Mr. Johnson on August 31st, 2021. And then on September 1st. So

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officers had contact with Mr. Johnson.

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And if you look at that,

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So it's just coincidental that it's.

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I'm seeing that and that's the. So I guess the question is, in all of these different stop occasions, those

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‸ I'll say this, I guess, from

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because I've seen this happen before. I won't say with Coco PD, for example, but I've seen. I've seen suspects that are that are high priority suspects. I've seen what appears to be a greater presence put on that person so that they can be surveyed, surveilled more often and things like that. I've seen it happen. And just legally, while a person might feel like they're being harassed to have law enforcement surveilling them or appear to be telling them and waiting for them to commit a traffic infraction or something like that. Legally, there's really not much that can be done about that.

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at the time that you're pulled over, then the stop is legal. So even if even if even

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they had been following you that day, even if they had been watching you that day, if you give them a reason to pull you over and it's a valid reason, not much argument can be made later on.

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if there was harassment or not because that person was pulled over. What they thought was an extraordinary amount of times. But but I know that any simple traffic infraction, when you think that officers might be watching you, is giving them a reason to pull you over. So I mean,

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particular that raised eyebrows for me. And but I'll entertain any further discussion as it relates to it.

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Well, ‸ I think at the bottom line here, if you look at the last four lines before the conclusions, I offered to show Mr. Johnson, senior the video of both traffic stops after I explained the reasons for the stops. Mr. Johnson, senior declined to view the videos and explained that he doesn't have any issue with the officers and filled out a complaint form due to the way he felt at the time.

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Mm hmm.

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And I think, you know, the two traffic stops occurred within two days of each other. And I think at the time they felt that there was some type of targeting. And then when you put it in perspective, one reason for the stop was totally opposite of the other reason.

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So I think after the fact, it kind of felt like it wasn't being targeted. And that's why he didn't want to review the video any longer. Right.

[00:43:14] Speaker 1

And and had had it had it went further and said that both times he was pulled over for a simple traffic infraction.

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car then

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I might have thought more of it because I've seen that. But in this situation, it's like it was two independent traffic stops. No ticket. You let go. It is what it is.

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no longer. So

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We're good on this one. ‸ I just wanted to. Look at the very last one that was Mr. Greenwood. Greenwood. Yes. This is going back to one of our first meetings, isn't it?

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Yes. So again, because we haven't had a quorum, Mr. Greenwood asked the. He asked me to bring his paperwork forward to the committee to review. So it's been in the agenda several times, but unfortunately we haven't had a quorum.

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Okay. And just to make things simpler here, if you don't mind, would you surmise this for us again?

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amount to anything.

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Well, he's he's present. So I think if he wants to come up and address the reason why

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Absolutely. We welcome that.

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Thank you, Chairman Board.

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I'm going to be very simple and to the point because I don't want you all to spend any more time than absolutely necessary. I'd be more than happy to add additional information. I'm glad to see that there is more training going on for the police officers as well as body cameras, because if that was being done when this particular incident happened, I wouldn't be in front of you. As a taxpayer, I called for the police to come and remove a lady, a woman that was basically trying to be a squatter. And during that transition, she was there begging the boyfriend that was moving with his mother out of the unit. And as they were moving out, of course, I removed the front door. That's important why I brought that up.

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was to prevent from getting all scratched. But what transpired was this girl that was being basically broke up with was there with her two dogs and she was trying to plead with the son to please change his mind and for them to stay in the area and not move anywhere. So basically, she was there to talk to him. She had two dogs.

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And then she started yelling and causing other problems. So I went ahead and called the police. When the police showed up, I told him the scenario. In the meantime, I'm renovating two other properties on this property.

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they were wide open. And again, the door, the front door was open. This woman had two dogs. One of them, we couldn't find it.

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she started stating that I took the dog. And I didn't. What happened was that I found out later after I was, yes, arrested, was one of the dogs ran into one of the other units that was being renovated by two of the other guys. I did not know this, but

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The minute they saw the police show up when I called them, they ran. They took the keys, locked the room unit up and left because they were afraid they're going to be arrested. So while I'm talking to the officers, which are very, two very young police officers, not on the force very long.

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but he tended to believe this lady that I took the dog because we

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the whole time. This dog was locked in one of these units. So because of that, they believed her, even though she had no ID. She had a warrant out for her arrest. She verbally stated the numbers of her driver's license when they were there. Nothing was ‸ verified. After I was arrested, the people left the unit. They called to have the water and the power turned off when they left. The woman that was there that was a squatter, I guess you could call her that, that refused to leave, said she had nowhere to go and whatever. The police that were there made it a point to find another door, makeshift it where the missing front door was because

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for them to be able to have better access for their furniture. And

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Again, no water, no power. When I got released the next day from the ‸ jailhouse, I realized she was still there. So I had to go to the building department and say, wait a minute, she never should have been allowed to spend the night because the power, the water was, and that's against health regulations.

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called the police. They finally got her off the property. And so I thought that this was the end of it because the state attorney's office who saw and read this dismissed it. They dropped the case. However, I didn't realize that if I didn't pursue ‸ this, it would still be in the records of the city of Coco. So I'm asking for an administrative expungement for this because I really feel it was done incorrectly. It was a false arrest in my opinion. They found the dog in one of the units while I wasn't even on the property. That

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‸ And since that, I thought it was not going to be an issue because of the state attorney's office had dropped it. It turns out that the funds I

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to develop property, these are private investors. And that doesn't look good. And that's caused me not to be able to borrow funds because of that that was

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what I expressed. There's more involved that I can share, but I think you've got the gruxt of it. I can provide more information if you like. But that's the purpose of me being here today. Thank you, sir.

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Mr. Greenwood, I have a question for you. The apartment that the animal was found in, was that a vacant apartment? Yes,

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sir. It was the opposite side. It wasn't ready for rent. I was renovating it to make it rentable. It needed painting and upgrading, things like that. And

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There were two apartments I was doing that with. But when they finally found the dog, it was in one of these apartments that I was renovating.

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And is that where the woman in question said the dog was? ‸ No, ‸ she didn't know where the dog was. They

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kept asking me, what did I do with the dog? I said, I don't know anything about a dog or a missing dog. I had nothing to do with it.

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They all signed notarized, certified notarized copies stating that they did not see me

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copies. I provided to the police department after I got out because when I was there and it was happening, I ‸ wasn't able to get that information till I came out and they were not approached with that information. Two of the people left.

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keys, they locked up the unit and left. They did not know the dog was in there.

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So, um, first and foremost, I'll say that this committee doesn't have the power to, um, to grant an administrative expunge expunction.

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called the police and that

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that you took her dog. I called the police in the beginning and

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when she saw them there, then she called. Got it. Well, I was wanting her to be removed

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from the property. Understood. Well, there's, there's a, uh, in the report, there's an independent witness, um, who also claimed that they saw you take that. That's

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dog. That's correct. And I can respond to that. Well, well, I think, um, the way that it was presented to us initially, it seemed the way that you framed it, it seemed as if it was your word against one other person's word and the officers took that person's word over yours. Mm

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hmm.

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From the police report, it looks like there is another independent witness that also, um, validated the claims of the alleged victim.

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I can't say perhaps I wasn't there. I don't work for ‸ department.

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jail. But, uh, but that, that may have been the justification. Uh, you may respond.

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what that situation was, she had a girlfriend there for support, mental support. And I'm not surprised that the girlfriend would support whatever her statements are. Nobody saw me pick up the dog. Nobody saw me place a dog in a unit.

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to that effect. And basically, when it got to that level, no matter what I said, it wasn't enough. And I was going to go to jail. Uh, there was no input. I didn't think of asking for a supervisor there.

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education and the training that you all are doing now, I wouldn't be before you right now.

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Like, for example, allowing the woman to live there when there was no power or water. That's against code.

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I can see

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that. Uh,

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familiar with it, but isn't there a process for, uh, removing squatters?

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Yeah, there's a civil process that you can go through to deal with that. Yes.

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Right. So if somebody is in there, uh, and says, you know, I don't really want to leave. I'm staying there. Uh, the police ordinarily wouldn't be able to remove them unless they had some sort of documentation. I would assume that says that the process has been completed and that person has no right to be there.

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Correct. So if a person is saying that they live there and they can prove that they've been there, then they're going to have to civilly, uh, evict them from that property. We don't, we don't get involved in that. It's a civil process.

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‸ Correct me if I'm wrong, but at the end of the civil process, if there's an eviction, doesn't the sheriff's office and a lance for their, uh,

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civil processing unit. Correct.

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Yes. Um, what is the process for administrative expungement?

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I met Mr. Greenwood about this case pretty much maybe a month or so after I got here and gave him some direction how to get that case expunged that has to go through the courts. And so I advised him he should get an attorney and kind of ‸ work that direction through a judge to get that expunged.

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complaint and it was an internal investigation. Uh, there's a different rule that applies to when those records can be removed. Is that not correct?

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This was

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just, this was an arrest

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that he didn't agree with. He met with the previous chief as well.

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bit further to. So if, if there was a situation where we believe that

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officer made an illegal arrest. My police department, we're going to take step through the course to get that corrected. And this was not a situation.

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goal here is to get his record expunged.

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So, like I explained to him previously, he has to go through the courts to get that done. But what I'm also adding is the fact that if I determined that our officer made an illegal arrest, then I would have taken steps as the police chief through the court system to get his that expunged removed.

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Yes, Mr. Greenwood you had a result. Yes, I can respond to both those points.

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She was there begging to mend things with her boyfriend that happened to be at the unit that he's moving out of where him and his mom occupied. She never had any mail there. She never had any clothes there. All she had was

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clothes on her and the two dogs and the police officers made it a point to remove the mattress that was put to the street to put in the unit for her to sleep on overnight. Now she wasn't a squatter where it means that she was there. I approached her. I told her she needs to leave. You don't rent here.

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know, that wasn't the situation. The situation was she was there harassing this boyfriend and she refused to leave. But that's the information she gave to the police officers that they didn't know whether to believe her or not. So they decided to take her position rather than what I'm here telling you actually happened. As far as the court going through the court,

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Maybe I should have been more careful ‸ by using that word.

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be there. She didn't live there. She wasn't a tenant. She was visiting this boyfriend. ‸ And now, you know, the rest of the story, the court situation, the civil thing. I had no idea, but I had a misdemeanor of not having my registration with me on a car when I got pulled over for ‸ traffic stop.

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it's a misdemeanor that I've been charged.

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I'm not allowed to do it ‸ through the court system of asking for an expungement. And that's why it wasn't offered to me.

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I've been trying to correct it like was mentioned with the previous police chief. But I really feel that we this police department now is the first time I've ever seen it being professionally handled with class training education. I've never seen it before, like to the level that it is now. So I really feel that this I wouldn't be in front of you. Like I said in the beginning, if there was body cameras there and the training going on, these are both very young police officers. And they just handled it wrong. They believed the wrong person when I had called saying we

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this lady off the property.

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understand your concerns. Mr. Greenwood and I'm sorry that you're having issues with investors as a result of this. I wish that that that there was more we could do here. But ‸ it's

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important that I presented it

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‸ in

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the circumstances that's here because it never was a board like this. I mean, that's another advantage for things to be done properly that we didn't used to do before.

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example of not to let another taxpayer like myself. Go through something like this, which probably won't because you've got the body cameras and you've got the education and all that the rest of it, I really feel was done for political reasons. And that's another subject. But I appreciate you letting me present it and then I'll just go back and get copies of the results of what the meeting was about.

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We appreciate you expressing your concerns.

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It's important for citizens to be able to do

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and the education going on back then.

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you, Mr. Greenwood. Thank you very much.

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for you, ma'am.

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Darlin.

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what is the process for recording and storage of the recordings of these meetings? How is that being done? I had a ‸ citizen from the public ask me about that, the accessibility and or recording of these meetings.

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Okay. So.

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[01:02:38] Speaker 1

Yes. Okay. And there are also recorded copies that they can ask city staff for?

[01:02:44] Speaker 5

I believe so. I believe they can.

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I don't believe it's being streamed. ‸ It's just being recorded. It's being recorded. Yes. Audio. Audio. Yes.

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Just audio.

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thought the public was supposed to like

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the city council ‸ mean. I thought the public was supposed to have access to these meetings and be able to follow it live.

[01:03:04] Speaker 6

No, it's not being streamed. It just has to be recorded. So it's not as it's definitely not being done like a council meeting. Huh?

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‸ Maybe it's being ‸ video if you're, I don't know who operates the cameras on what view is what camera view, but I just know it's just recorded.

[01:03:26] Speaker 1

So it's recorded, but it's not live.

[01:03:28] Speaker 6

No.

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Okay. So, um, and do, no, that's a question for the city attorney, not for you. Um, I think council may have to, I don't know who, who decided that that's the way that it would be done. But I know citizens of the public have reached out to me wanting to see these meetings as they're happening and they have access to other meetings, but for whatever reason have had trouble accessing these.

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they're able to stream it for other meetings. I don't know why this one would not be streamed or these meetings would not be streamed. Do we have to question

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for the clerk?

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can

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‸ ask the clerk. ‸ Okay.

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I don't believe anything was addressed in the ordinance, uh, relative to that. So ‸ my recommendation to you would be to get with the city attorney and see if, uh, that's feasible for us. Um,

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‸ yeah. Uh,

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some follow up from you via email ‸ once that's done and what the answer is?

[01:04:37] Speaker 6

Yes.

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can send up a follow up email and give you exactly what's being done and then what options are, you know, if it's a council approval or something like that on how to move forward.

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Thank you, sir. Much appreciated. Um,

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at this time, I think we've discussed all of our matters. Is there any more, um, input from the public, any more public comment before I entertain a motion for adjournment? Okay. Could you please step to the podium and say your name and address?

[01:05:10] Speaker 11

Good evening.

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Good evening.

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‸ Perfect.

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[01:05:18] Speaker 11

Um, first time here. Well, to this time of meeting, I did come to the council meeting the other night. Um, I wanted to better prepare myself for tonight. Just to get an idea of what's going on, you know, how these procedures go, what, what is it all about and so forth. And I too was looking all over the place, trying to find, um, prior meetings for, for this committee. It is a committee, correct? Yes, ma'am.

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[01:05:49] Speaker 11

So, um, I couldn't find it either. So I'm going to be really interested in, in your information there. Uh,

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So I brought my own just in case so that I can review things.

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It

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was February of last year that we met last, we had several meetings that were scheduled. Let me backtrack. It was February of last year when we met last, this board or committee was only authorized to meet quarterly until recently when the council took action to allow us to meet more often. And so now we will meet every two months or every 60 days. Um, I believe that that has been signed, correct? Um, and so now we'll meet every 60 days, but back then we were only authorized to meet once a quarter. We had our first quarterly meeting in February and then we had quorum issues for the two other meetings that were scheduled for last year.

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year.

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scheduled for January and we had quorum issues. And so that meeting was pushed back. Well, no, we didn't have quorum issues. There were other issues going on. And so as a result, this meeting was pushed back, um, till today. Um, there was another issue and then there was a quorum issue. And so we got this date. So there were two issues.

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way that they did. We had quorum issues. We had notice issues. Um, we had certain key figures that needed to be here that were out for whatever reason. Um, and then we had, uh, rescheduled the meetings as a result.

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Okay.

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Yes, ma'am.

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Thank you.

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of the things that, that I noticed just sitting here tonight is, um, you guys have information that appears that you're looking at these cases. Is it provided to us? I didn't see anything in the agenda online other than, you know, some numbers and so forth. So the public doesn't know.

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So I want, I recall in our first year, um, having this committee, um, in action that I made a request or the board made a request about that. That's one. There's, uh, these are public records, um, and they're closed cases. So I believe that they're accessible to the public. Um, I'm not sure how the public goes about requesting them. Um, ‸ there was a suggestion from this committee that copies be made available to the public. But I think that one of the issues is that we haven't had a lot of public input or attendance for these meetings. And so it would be wasteful to make 20 copies of all of these documents or whatever, when we have maybe a handful of people that show up.

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possible for the public to be able to see what

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What we're going through, uh, because we're going through.

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that are available upon public request.

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I could be misspeaking, but everything that we're reviewing are things that you could as a taxpayer request from the police department and receive yourself. So there's no reason why you can't see these things. The only question has been, how do we make them available to the public and do so without waste? Considering that we may only have a handful of people that show up and of the people that have showed up. No one has ever really asked for copies of anything until now. So most people don't seem to be concerned about receiving copies of what we're reviewing either. Well,

[01:09:56] Speaker 3

possibly, uh, uh, it might make it easier for the attending public who doesn't have, uh, a dog in the fight, so to speak.

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Uh,

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finally signed off on these ‸ investigations that to keep it simple, but at least you'd know what overall the issue is without having to provide, uh, lots of documentation.

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[01:11:21] Speaker 1

Then that will give access to the public if they want to have access to them. Is that something that's possible? I'd like to make a suggestion. Yes, sir.

[01:11:31] Speaker 9

Because we can give either we can ‸ your board can give a brief synopsis of the case to the public

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going into it.

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You have a complaint on the officer who the citizen alleges was rude to him. It was investigated and ‸ he found to be in violation and he ‸ received whatever discipline and training. And then you can go into it because now the public have an idea of what the complaint is about by just one line.

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three or four pages, but it's all just stating, you know, ‸ the details of what happened.

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them a brief one or two liner. This is the meat of it. This was the disposition. Then now you're opening for discussion.

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I don't have an issue ‸ with restructuring our process to allow for the department to give a brief synopsis as to each matter. Would that satisfy ‸ to be able to have the department summarize what we're discussing before we open it to discussion? Sure.

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you.

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Okay.

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Somebody has to prepare the information for all of you. Correct. Somebody is going in and they're they're typing up the agenda to put it online. Right. Why not just throw some hyperlinks in there. So we're not wasting paper and ink. It's expensive. And, you know, it just needs to be something perhaps like you suggested, just so that we have an overview, at least of what is going on. And the reason why I'm interested in this, you know, I don't know of any of these complaints. I have nothing to do with them or anything like that. But let's face it, folks,

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last couple of years, we have seen so much publicity on on our law enforcement. And they've you know, so many have been portrayed very poorly. We know that there are some problems in some places, but I don't believe that it's to the degree that has been portrayed by a lot of the media and stuff. And and then there, you know, obviously there's there's places where this does need to be handled.

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can see how it's being handled. I think that's that's all that it's about, you know, just I'm not trying to. To to bash anybody or anything like that.

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through, what our citizens are going through in relation to law enforcement. And, you know, sometimes a view from back here instead of being right in it, sometimes that helps.

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and see how we may be able to improve things or on the flip side of it, put everybody at ease that everything is being handled properly.

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‸ It's much appreciated that you took time out of your schedule to be here because we value attendance of the public and being a part of these proceedings. And we're glad to see you. I wish I wish that we had. One of the things that I suggested for council is for the city council meetings, for example, all of the meetings are put on the calendar a year in advance so that people can go ahead and put city council meetings on their calendar and things like that.

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to meet because we we find out the date less than a month before our meetings and the public finds out, you know, maybe probably after we find out.

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But in terms of your suggestion, I know that we can definitely include a synopsis moving forward. And is it a possibility to to add a link or something to the website for the synopsis, the brief synopsis to be included before the meeting

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again?

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link has to be also a hard copy for people who don't have the link. So we would again be printing unknown. I'm pretty sure that's the that's the ‸ would the clerk ‸ say

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again, I, I, uh,

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to confirm your comments, chief. Uh, my recommendation is that we get a synopsis before we start the actual discussion. Yeah,

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and that's, that's why I was just looking at how the agenda was lined up where you have. On your first page, you have the date, the case, the end result, just figuring out a way to put like a box on each case ‸ and just put like a one or two line synopsis. And then you could have that.

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the meat potatoes of the case is about. Or the chair, you

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chair can just read the brief synopsis of each.

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the synopsis. Um, uh,

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yeah, so, so the synopsis would be like straight to the points.

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it, it is the allegation of, uh, inappropriate, uh, professional, unprofessional conduct. What it amounts to without going into detail. He said this, he said that, then he said this, you know, it all amounts to one, uh, possible violation on our end. You know, and then we'll, like I say, summarize that put what the disposition is. Let the board discuss it. ‸ Then we'll be prepared to answer any questions.

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You have any more questions or input?

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this. And, um, I'm here to help you guys as, as a citizen in any way that I can. You know, I've invested a lot of money over there and, um,

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That's all any of us want, right? We just want to be left in peace to, to just be right.

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together and figure out whatever we need to figure out. So,

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well, we appreciate you being here with us and, uh, for stepping forward and, uh, giving us your ideas on how to make an improvement. Thank you.

[01:19:22] Speaker 11

Thank you.

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to read sometimes. And, um, ‸ I like for us to not only discuss the, the various cases that we have, but also take a look at some of those other bullet points that we should kind of be having a dialogue about in, in relation to improving our relationship with the community. And

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the police department and the community, whatever suggestions you have to help continue to bridge those gaps and foster those positive, good relations with the community.

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what we can do better as it relates to the community.

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just take a look at those things so that we can talk about just more than just the cases involving our officers, but other opportunities in a positive light of what we can do.

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Um, and I would love that, you know, I actually, with the last chief back in 2020, um, after everything happened with George Floyd, I had a conversation with the last chief about two programs that I wanted to put together. And,

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uh,

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a few other people were willing to partner with me on it. We had two programs that we were looking to put together. One was called spades and fades. I know it's a goofy name, but, um, but basically we were going to work with community partners to rent out a barbershop and engage in barbershop talk with law enforcement and people in the community. Um, the chief appeared to be on

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Um, but I have made suggestions and I've been willing to put my own money forward to have opportunities for law enforcement and the public to get together and have real conversations. Because I think one of the ways that we bridge the gap is to sit down and have conversations.

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I agree. And I'm open to that.

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So I'm open to all the ideas. Um, you know, we got some other things we're doing on our end.

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Okay. A couple of people know about it that we're going to be doing to try to increase our relationship with the community, but we'll open to things like that. So, you know, I like to at the next meeting,

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least, you know, let's talk about some ideas like that, that we can kind of put it together and let's move forward and ‸ start taking action on that. That would be great.

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So I appreciate it. Of course, I look forward to it. I give you my card, uh, because I love ‸ number. Okay. You

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my number. Well, let's talk. Call me. Um,

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love to have a conversation.

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Any further discussion from the command staff? Um,

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I would just like to point out,

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saying. And the next one we're having is, um, April 13th at flying J. So from 8 to 930, we're going to be out there. Chief

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the next one we're having is April 13th at flying J.

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just having that dialogue. So we'd like everybody to come out and, uh, have some free coffee and donuts.

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I don't know if y'all ‸ aware, but since I've been here, I started doing these, uh, chief walks. Yes, sir.

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That's how that young lady over there met me on one of my walks and I challenged her to

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council meeting? She came to this one. So I think that's, that goes a long way.

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mean, so we're at this sending a message.

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but also know about all the city government because we

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working together. So, uh, I challenge any of you to come out to our walks. We do two

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I don't walk that far.

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So

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you don't have to worry about ‸ getting too much of a hard workout, but, uh, we'd like to have you come out anytime.

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Yes, sir.

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That'd be great. I

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think, um, could, could the email, the. Info be emailed to us about the coffee with the cop and the, the next walks coming up.

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I'd love to participate.

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Yeah. If you don't mind, Chris, send it to everyone on the committee.

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And we'll start doing that moving forward. So you have aware of the different community things we do.

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If you want to come, you can come.

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Yes, sir.

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that's just a small taste of what we do.

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think it was auxiliary office or something that just recently opened up and you guys are having an open house or something opening grand opening for it. I forget what it was.

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Okay. The substation station.

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community engagement

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center.

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unit. Matter of fact, uh, officer Hathaway, he works in that unit along with about five other individuals. And, um, they have an office over there as well as code enforcement. And then we have a section for the community to use.

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So I didn't find out about it on social media until the day before, and I already had something scheduled. So if we could get emails, not only are we interested persons because we're volunteering our time, but we are people that have the ability to get the word out to help to get more people involved as well.

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I

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now.

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as well as, um, someone that works with our cocoa tiger football club, boosters,

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Rick fundraiser, you name it. Uh, and, uh,

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public and can get people out. So please let us know.

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So

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I'd love to spread the word.

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We'll move forward. Put y'all, put you in a loop. Thank you. Okay. I

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want to say something before we leave. Um, I just want to thank, um,

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Chief Collier for allowing his officers to come to, um, Sun Tree,

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to, uh,

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um, our first African American reading chain. And so the kids enjoyed it. And I sent each one of his officers a thank you card with their picture on it. So thank you, chief.

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Yes, sir. Shameless plug. I was there too. I would have been there, but I

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had a scheduling conflict. I got to go out of town that

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Mm-hmm. But, but

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And I appreciate that. It's always nice to be able to work in the community alongside our public service.

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Any further input from the committee? Hearing none at this time, I'll entertain a motion for adjournment.

[01:27:27] Speaker 4

Motion to adjourn.

[01:27:28] Speaker 1

Do I hear a second?

[01:27:29] Speaker 4

I'll second.

[01:27:30] Speaker 1

All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye.

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