As we come before you tonight, we are thankful and truly humbled by the magnitude of responsibility that you have afforded to us. We thank you for the many blessings that you have bestowed upon us, the individual blessings as well as the collective ones. We ask that you lead us and guide us along our way here tonight during these processions. We ask that you take care of us, our citizens, and those who are coming before us. We ask these things in your name. Amen.
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I
pledge allegiance to ‸ the United States of America,
and
to the
republic for
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which it stands, one nation,
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Mayor Parrish? Here. Deputy Mayor Blanco? Here.
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Here. Councilman Warner? Here. Councilman Whipple? Here.
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Here. City Manager Tannett? Here.
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Thank you.
Very good.
I'd
like to make
a motion that we have any changes to the agenda.
I think the proclamation is...
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I'd like to make a motion that we approve the agenda for the regular meeting of May 22nd, and the minutes are not available. All those in favor?
Aye.
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No,
I
just...
I ‸ didn't read it ahead of time.
This is Don's part. I appreciate that. Yeah. Like automatic pilot.
Yeah.
‸ Is there a second?
I'll second.
Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay.
Very good.
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Okay.
So we'll move the presentations, Mr. Whipple. Yes. I'm going to ask Mr. Mayor if you'll join me, along
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And that award, I'm very proud to
present to him.
He wasn't there because of the meeting that
we
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had downtown at the Civic Center. But I was very proud to receive this recognition on behalf of our city and on behalf of our city manager. And it reads as follows.
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the defense and protection of municipal home rule, the Florida League of Cities presents.
And
it's 2018
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Let's give him a round of ‸ applause. I'm going
to
hand this over to the mayor so that he can present it to him.
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Home rule means that we govern our municipality with the elected officials that you have voted for. We have
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we can and know what's best for us.
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well as our municipality. I'm very proud of what he did and
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tribute to the dedication that we have of employees who are dedicated to do the right thing for our community. So let's give him another round of applause.
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Let me just add a little bit to that.
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run for office and go right to state and not ever serve on the local side. Local is more important because you're closer to the people, like one of tonight's issues, obviously. ‸ So ‸ in my mind, you always want to elect somebody that's from the local government that's moving up.
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It's the second year, sir. Second year. I think last year he did about the same thing.
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cities. And he gets asked to come up and defend an issue. The last few years have been pretty tough. But he did a great job. And we, I guess we won. Right, Brenda, pretty much?
Most of it.
Most of it. But
the fight is not over.
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Yeah. And what it is is some state legislators want to basically take control of the counties and cities. And their claim is they created us and they can control
this
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And,
you know, so just that's the ‸ fight. So, ‸ okay.
We'll move forward. Go
to the proclamation. Chief? Yes, sir.
Proclamation for Law Enforcement Appreciation Week. Whereas from the beginning of the nation, law enforcement officers have played an important role in safeguarding the rights and freedoms, which are guaranteed by the Constitution and in protecting the lives and property of our citizens.
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those law enforcement officers who have lost their lives in a line of duty for the safety and protection of others.
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safety and wellness a top priority and the IACP's Center for Officer Safety and Wellness promotes the importance of individual, agency, family, and community safety and wellness awareness. And whereas it is important that all citizens know and understand the problems, duties, and responsibilities of their police department and that the members of the police department recognize their duty to serve the people by safeguarding life and property, by protecting them against violence or disorder,
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And therefore, now therefore,
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Constitution and the laws of the United States does hereby proclaim May 13th through May 19th as Law Enforcement Appreciation Week.
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as Law Enforcement Appreciation Week with the appropriate ceremonies in which all of the people may join in commemorating police officers, past and present, who by their faithful and loyal devotion to their responsibilities, have rendered and dedicated their service to the communities and in doing so have established themselves an enviable and enduring reputation for preserving the rights and the security of all citizens.
Very good, Chief. Thank you. Thank you.
All right. So we're going
to
move to delegations.
I'm going to call the first speaker. We have three minutes, and it's Pat Chambers. She's on her way. Donna Kettner.
Good evening. My name is Donna Kettner. I've been before all of you once before. I have a business here ‸ in the downtown area over 30 years now. I am a resident of this village. I live on [address]. I'm going to try to make it short and sweet, even though
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time to do it. So therefore, I'm hoping that we can continue as a community and discuss the future of the downtown ‸ area. There is a plan for a hotel to be built in the downtown area, somewhere between. I'm not even going
to
go into how high it's going to be.
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downtown.
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folks know how many for rent signs are in the downtown at this area right now? Between the north and the south? Anybody know?
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You're right. There's 30. And that's not counting the upstairs of all the buildings that are here for offices and space to be rented.
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everybody thinks we're going forward. I'm sorry, but this is not a destination. St. Augustine is a destination. Key West is
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destination. Naples is
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destination.
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to offer and why they need to have a seven-story hotel. We, in a two-block area of retail and restaurants, are a day destination. I have customers from Orlando, from Vero Beach, from south of there, from Miami. I have had a continuous clientele that comes back to my store, but they're not staying here. It's a day trip. And I am not for the hotel. And my fear is, number one, is it going ‸ to be booked all week? And then I put some more thought into it. Well, maybe if it's not booked all week, because it would be a one-night stay. And I did a study with all the hotels in Cocoa Beach, but I don't have the time with three minutes. But I'd like to discuss it longer and in full length. Then I said, okay, how can we fill up that parking garage? Well, I went to that meeting, and I didn't know about that meeting. It was just by chance that I knew about it,
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with. We're not going to gain 100 parking spaces. And I did a lot more studies. I don't have the time on three minutes. But I hope you, as our council, who live in this city, want to keep it at least charming.
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on putting it. And don't give the land away for free. That's our city
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dollars. Go put it up where the smoke shop is. Go put it where ‸ the trailer park used to be.
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And if you talk about uniting north and south, there's 10 hairdressing salons and a pirate store up there. Okay? We're a small little town. Cherish it. Make it grow in the right direction. There's three other businesses ready to leave that I know of that are putting their businesses up for sale. Talk to people who have worked their bones to make a living down here and to make it a better place to come to. Don't give it away to somebody who's not going to be looking at it from their front porch. I am going to look at that eight-story monstrous thing that's not going to be fitting in with our small downtown here. Please, I beg of you to give this lots of thought and don't give it away. It's ‸ unnecessary.
I appreciate it.
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Thank you.
Thank you. Okay. Brad Whitmore?
Okay.
Good evening, everyone. Brad Whitmore, representing the historic Cocoa Village Association by virtue of Bobby's at Parkside Boutique. I live at [address]. Here, as I say, on behalf of the HCVA, and I'm going to talk about the waterfront, but
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I've got an interesting situation that I just want you all to be aware of. As you know, I write annually for the Waterway Guide publication
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So, obviously, what was
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longer applicable. I'm going to have to update it with something. I'm going to be coming up with what happened to us, what our current state is, and what the future is going to hold. There's still some gaps in that. I told Matt that whatever I came up with, I was
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for it's a reasonable thing to put out for this next edition that's coming out until we have something built for
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So, I just wanted you to be aware of that. And other than that, I know there's a tremendous amount going on regarding the waterfront. I can just tell from conversations and what I'm seeing,
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before. And it's what we deserve.
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Waterway. And it looks like we're heading that way. And I just want to emphasize strongly the idea that through the HCVA and other interested parties, we want to help. We want to be part of it. We want to add expertise. We want to do ‸ legwork to make it happen. And we look forward to helping the city get to where it wants to go to turn us into the crown jewel that we deserve to be. And that's my waterfront for
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Donna spoke eloquently about the hotel issue. There's two sides to that story. She brings up some good points. There's others.
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hearing. I don't think it's a slam dunk in either direction. There's reasons to do it and reasons not to do it. And I'm sure you'll be looking into it with an open mind. And we have to acknowledge that the world is changing. Retail is changing. That's a fact. The point she brings up about rent signs, we never
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seen that before.
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disappear. Spaces would disappear, and now it's a whole new ballgame. Something's changed. How do you adapt to change? Do you let it play out and go ‸ down a way? Or do you change and do something else to revitalize and bring up?
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Thank you very much.
Thank you. Thank you. Also, did Pat Chambers, did she come in?
She's coming.
If it's not too late, I'll let her speak.
She
did too. Okay.
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Let's go to consent.
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Second.
Okay. All in favor? Aye.
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All right.
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authorizing submission of that plan to HUD, and then authorizing the mayor to sign all subsequent paperwork. But first, we have Nancy Bunt, who's our deputy community services director, conduct the final hearing.
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$56,655 for our home allocation. The nice thing was that it actually increased this year.
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For a total of $178,889 for CDBG, $71,828 for home. And I just want to quickly go over the programs and services that the city will be funding through these federal grants. Community Services Council, $7,680.
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Salvation Army, $6,473. Demolition and Clearance, $50,000. Housing and Repairs, $66,279. Fair Housing Education and Outreach, $1,000.
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housing construction. So tonight, staff is requesting Council hold the second and final public hearing on the proposed FY 2018-2019 Action Plan, approve the plan for submission to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, and authorize the mayor to sign all subsequent certifications and agreements.
Very good.
Thank you.
Do you want to talk to the public hearing? Yeah,
we'll
do
that. I'm going
to
close it to Council, bring this out to the public. Anybody like to speak on this public hearing? ‸ Crickets. Okay, I'll close it to the public, bring it back to Council. What would you like to do?
Is that
fair?
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All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Very good.
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Okay. For the next item, the city manager is going to present a brief summary of the project. I just wanted to read the item.
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commit up to $3.7 million to support the project, and then direct the city attorney to draft an interlocal agreement with the Diamond Square CRA to memorialize the city's financial contribution to the new center project and commitments to fund pool improvements or construction, prioritize other park improvements, and fund a feasibility study for repurposing the existing center.
Mayor, members of council, community. Okay. I just want to start off with the current condition for Dr. Jolie Smith Center. As many of you know, it was built in 1963. It's just under 6,000 feet.
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It has an indoor outdoor basketball court, a gymnasium. There's a limited office meeting space.
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also ‸ outdoor basketball court. Okay. Essentially, the center is outdated, functionally obsolescent, and some of the existing conditions that exist. While currently encapsulated, there's asbestos, lead-based paint. In other words, if it's not disturbed, then those issues do not present a problem. But once you make changes and or you disturb, like the roofing or the paint, then you have to abate those environmental conditions. So the restrooms do not meet the ADA requirements. There's plumbing issues. The gym floor needs to be replaced. One of the two AC units is extremely old. There is no heat. The gas system has been shut off due to an undetermined location of a leak. And then as it relates to the outside facilities, the pool and the deck needs to be resurfaced. The restrooms do not meet ADA requirements. The lobby needs to be renovated.
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And the ceiling
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the pump room needs to be replaced. It was emphasized to us by the Brevard County Parks and Recreation staff that these issues do not represent an all-inclusive list of issues that need to be addressed.
These
are some of
the
more pertinent ones. Like I heard subsequently that the basketball court might need to be refinished or redone, the outdoor one.
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nearly two and a half times larger than the current facility. The center would serve more as a neighborhood community center versus the largely recreational center that we have today. We would offer multi-programmed services for seniors and youth in terms of seniors during the daytime, youth in the evening, the afternoons, post-school programming, as well as the design to include a public health clinic.
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‸ We have had conversations, but nothing's been materialized until the center.
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of the Diamond Square redevelopment area and subsequently relocated.
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or three days a week to provide, you know, health care services.
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that do not have insurance. You know, it's ‸ something that we ‸ identified that was very important ‸ to the community. Larger, more modern, multi-purpose recreational facilities in terms of ‸ the recreational court to be, you know, not just for basketball, but for other uses. You know, sufficient, you know, bleacher space, a larger capacity for community meeting spaces or space, as well as providing office space, an office for our PAL officer, Police Athletic League.
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run a lot of our PAL programs, you know, working out of the Jolie Smith Center. We also have a city partner, ‸ Alliance Neighbor Restoration, that runs programs. And ‸ the county also runs some programs out of there, but there would be more, better management space for the Brevard County Parks and Recreation staff. This is an exterior design of the facility,
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regardless of where the location was. But this is what the, generally what the facility would ‸ look like and we would operate off of. As you can see, it's
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the higher roof because of the fact that we have, this actually is situated as if it was on Washington at the bottom of the picture,
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You know,
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and those facilities, and then the meeting rooms,
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or the audience's left would be an exterior entrance for the health clinic. So the Dr. Jolie Smith Community Center and Provost Park. In 1998, the Diamond Square Community Redevelopment Plan, which was the original redevelopment plan, they did emphasize the need for some additional recreational opportunities to upgrade to both the Dr. Jolie Smith Park and the Provost Park locations. In 2014, the Diamond Square Community Redevelopment Plan, that would be update, that council did approve,
the
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the board, the Diamond Square CRA board approved, and then city council approved it by resolution, specifically 2014-042,
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It was submitted to the county to be put on the agenda, and it was agended,
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But in that 2014 Diamond Square Redevelopment Plan update,
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participated in
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process, and many of you know, that the center needs to be upgraded in order to construct it, as well as potentially Provost Park programming, which could be tied into the community center. It is consistent with the city's 2016 strategic plan. Actually, there's two issues, not just the community development, in terms of the redevelopment of the city's core. And just to remind council, the strategic issue, the question as it relates to that is, how will the city raise the quality of life for all its residents, especially those most vulnerable and disadvantaged? ‸ Obviously, the center at either location would be located in one of the most underserved and disadvantaged areas of the city and bring needed ‸ programs and services to assist the community,
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And I'm going to, there's a list later that in the Diamond Square Redevelopment Planning effort identified what those ‸ services were. Additionally, the center would also address the issue of crime awareness and prevention, as the expansion of youth programming activity is
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and the Police Department Community Relations Unit, which would, you know, help to continue to strengthen those relations and provide more opportunities for programming. So this is a timeline of what's occurred, you know, since the 2014 redevelopment plan update in May. As I mentioned, we submitted formally after some discussions a letter to the county requesting approval.
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they are created by the city council for the delegated powers from the Brevard County Commission, so
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And they've not done that yet, and I'll follow up with things.
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specifically looking at foundation funding, as well as the individual was an expert and had worked for the city before in terms of Section 108 Loan Guarantee Program by leveraging our CDBG dollars
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know, securing additional funds or securing funds to help fund the center. We
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It was a regional park, you know. It's obviously connected to the, as we know, to the
Wickham Park,
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with the Eastern Florida State College and the area as a whole.
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it's a much larger ‸ facility, but a much larger piece of land. The city did, through the Florida Department of Economic Opportunity, apply and get the project deemed eligible for the Community Contribution Tax Credit Program, and we've subsequently renewed it.
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but we've subsequently had it, you know, again designated, ‸ you know, for each year.
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and we kind of advised that we need to wait until the budget workshops. After the budget was adopted, we did send a formal letter to the chairman of the Brevard County Board of County Commissioners and requesting ‸ that they take up the item. And as many members of council know, around that same time, shortly thereafter, several members that were elected to the county commission were expressing concerns about the efficacy,
the
propriety of CRAs in general, and the fact that money from the CRAs, you know, that would normally go to the county. And as I think we all know, ‸ those are taxes that are generated within the redevelopment area, And that is a strategic partnership between the city and the county foregoing those tax revenues in the area they were generated to facilitate redevelopment. So that's a larger policy issue, but we're still waiting for that. In 2016, the city did identify the project as one of its legislative priorities,
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The city also amended its HUD action plan based on the existing site at Dr. Julie Smith Park.
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we had
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to do a finding of no significant impact related to environmental issues, which was completed for the existing site.
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we spent roughly about $30,000 on those functions. We have made presentations
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as well as business leaders, in an effort to try to solicit, you know, contributions. One, to
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that they were aware of the project, the business community and some of the community leaders, but also to try to solicit corporations or, you know, businesses to contribute to the center of which they would be eligible for that community contribution tax credit program. Even today, we're meeting with the
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and we discussed it with them as a potential, you know, partner, because we know that they have a philanthropic organization, and it's something that we'll follow up on. In 2017, we again, I think it was actually our number one priority, we asked for funding from the state legislature, legislature, and we provided some data as related to, you know, the cost of juvenile incarceration and some of the other issues we present in terms of all the issues that would be important, you know, that the legislature in certain areas have identified. And, again, no consideration. Very frustrating, but not even no consideration of the matter. We worked with the
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and we also did the preliminary design for the neighborhood community center based on the existing site of
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In 2018, ‸ if you recall, we had a joint meeting with the city council, the Diamond Square CRA on the center location after, you know, some members of council as well as some members of the community expressed, you know, based, you know, hearing from some members of the community, at least council, that, you know, was there an alternate location that was more centrally located, and many, you know, had mentioned Provost
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off of
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and in relatively close proximity to the existing location. So, based on that meeting,
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for staff to hold a community meeting, and
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I know many of you were at that meeting. So, what we essentially, the purpose of the meeting, you know, was to provide information to city council, which you have in your agenda packet, and I'm detailing here for members of the public, public, for the purposes of making, you know, city council making that decision on the preferred location.
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as well as Provost Park. I'll show you those concepts in a moment, As well as relevant community data related to the ‸ services that were identified in the Diamond Square Redevelopment Plan update.
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back. The reason why we identified, I shared the 1998 Redevelopment Plan, because even though the county has not adopted, or approved the Redevelopment Plan update, the plan, you know, so we have to operate under the ‸ 1998 plan,
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and entirely consistent with expenditures for the Redevelopment Plan and
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the Community Redevelopment Act. I think it's important to know. So, ‸ there was a community conversation. Generally speaking,
‸ it
was more so public comment was, you know, it was solicited and ‸ anybody that had an, wanted to ask questions was allowed to. Meeting ended after there appeared there was no additional comments that were ‸ individuals that wanted to offer their public comment. We also, at that meeting, handed out a HUD community survey.
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got a slide on it, and then we collected that data. So, I know everybody knows this, but for those that may not, here's the location of the existing, the Diamond Square Redevelopment Boundaries. Here's King Street, and running through the heart of it. And here's Fisk. So, obviously, we have Perlis Park, and
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today.
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There's the basketball court. There's the pool. There's a tot lot. And then there's also a baseball field. And so, based on that site, we worked with one of our continuing service architects,
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know, RZK architects, and they developed a site plan. And they had the benefit of working with the county
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because we wanted to, it's like, well, what's good for here, good for here.
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consistent with what other communities were receiving, all of the differences.
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one to a large degree. So, you have a site that exists today, and it shows this diagram, obviously, the existing Dr. Julie Smith Center. It's the pool, basketball courts, and then how
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the pavilions. There is ‸ retention up in the left-hand corner. And then right next to the parking lot and the retention area, ‸ there is a lot there that the city does not own. However, there are code enforcement liens that currently exist on that lot. But it's, as you can see, it's not required at this point in time or anything, because there's existing parking at this site and the center, as was one of the proposed ideas in terms of locations in the redevelopment plan update was at the corner of Stone and Washington. So, here you have the aerial provost park. You have the pavilion in the middle, and that was built through federal funds,
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You have some basketball courts and tennis courts, which are not used much for community action. A lot of residents expressed concern regarding the condition of some of the facilities there. Again, this park is also maintained by Broad County Parks and Rec.
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field. And then to the west of this, you have the SCAT, the public transit system. And one of the
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And back in February, I think it was February 23rd, myself, the assistant city manager, and our community services director, Karen Hamilton, we met with the county at SCAT, and they are currently in the process of planning to relocate SCAT, you know, to basically take that existing parking area
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currently up front where employees park,
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520, because I think this is in context, because some of the people
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the concerns, is that would push the buses and have a ‸ circulation where the buses would load and unload on their property. Once they reloaded, put the ‸ parking
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that. So, just by way of information. It was one of the issues that was brought up at the meeting. So this is the site location, conceptual site plan for Provost Park. Again, retaining the soccer field, also the pavilion and the restrooms, and then adding parking, providing, you know, kind of a drive-through, the site centered, you know, at least, or rather,
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with a dry retention area, the basketball courts, another smaller, flexible-use sports field. It does have a fountain and a splash pad, and I think there were a couple comments that a pool was necessary, and I think it's important to note, and I know a number of members,
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but at the joint city council meeting and Diamond Square CRA meeting, that issue was discussed. We even talked about the gold medalist, Rowdy Gaines, who works with the YMCA, and how he's presented before us, and the city acknowledges that, you know, they're generally due to, you know, not due to, but in poor and or minority communities, high incident rate of drowning, so a pool versus, and this shows a splash pad, the conceptual, a pool would be necessary, many residents, you know, and attendees thought. And we don't disagree. You know, this was the concept, but this was after, you know, well, does it fit? And then for the purposes of presenting to the joint meeting between the council and the CRA board. So we didn't want to spend a lot of money on it, because we didn't know if anybody wanted to pursue it or not. So we did just some data analysis, some site consideration, and in terms of walking distance,
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but the darker colors, not yellow, represent a five-minute walk. On the left, you have the Dr. Julie Smith Center.
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you have 520 going right to the middle. So you see it covers north and south of 520, you know, going up into the, past Peachtree and going all
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So, and we based this on, you know, we looked at what some of the, the ‸ neighborhood park center should be accessible according to the American Planning Association,
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So then we looked at the, we presented the, what were the, the proposed community activities for the center as expressed as a result of the, the redevelopment plan update, which really went through all of 13 and came into 14 before it was finalized and approved by the CRA board. There was meetings, you
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and they identified the activities. We did
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was there any additional? But I think the general consensus based on, you know, comments and stuff like, well, we have the activities, they've already been identified.
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and then job training. So then we looked at the
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based on the 2010 census and S3 community profile forecast and the American Community Survey for 2016. And
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data, you know, looking at the two locations. But either way you see that there are substantial issues, you know, from whether it be jobs in terms of job training. Although, I
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you see the three asterisks there. I think that largely number of the 6.6% unemployment, you know, in the polygon related to the tenant walk for Julie Smith Park, Dr. Julie Smith Park or Provost Park at 7.6%.
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rate. That doesn't include unemployment rates. And then you see, you know, just generally the percentages. But again, for healthcare services, 67.6% was the forecast, you know, through S3, which is used in community data and kind of presents a profile. So those are generally the numbers there. ‸ Okay. So
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A survey was provided to all the attendees. There was about 119 attendees, maybe more, some that signed in. But ‸ we
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It was something that's required by HUD, you know, in terms of, you know, although the board and the council had requested this meeting. But it also,
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and get a Section 108 loan guarantee, we needed to have citizen participation. But at the end of the
day,
the first and foremost, you know, while it's last, it's ‸ not last in here because, you know, you requested that we have a meeting to document citizen opinion and location ‸ preference for the city council. So let me move over the results of that. So
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103 respondents indicated they
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21 respondents did not provide a complete street ‸ address. In other words, they might have listed just Stone Street rather than saying what ‸ specific address on Stone Street. Eight respondents indicated they
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And then 10 respondents didn't provide an address at all. The preference of those indicating that they resided in, excuse me, that they resided in Cocoa were 88 expressed at the new Dr. Joey Smith Center, it remained at the existing site. Five, you know, relocated,
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And 10 had no preference. I haven't asked there. It's not a significant number in terms of the overall. But five surveys recommended and a couple people expressed, you know, the idea of, you know, why can't you do something at both, you know, at both parks, renovations. ‸ So what are the steps? What are the
path
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to achieving the Dr.
Julie
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Smith, the new Dr.
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Smith Community Center? And because I think as we've discussed before in the budget workshops,
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Some of these construction projects, they kind of, they go up about 7%. And so it could quickly prolong, could make a, you know, become unattainable.
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So tonight we're here to have the, you know, for requested action in terms of the preferred site. Based on that, we would have to go out to get the projects valued at over $2 million. We would have to go out for an RFQ, you know, to get a, do site design engineering in accordance
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So that would happen this year, you know,
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October 1st of 18. So these are by calendar
year,
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so 18 going into 19. 19, we would issue an RFQ for construction.
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So the funding, the new center, you know, you know, the total estimated project cost is 4.675 million. That includes the money that would be required for the design, the final engineering, you know, the engineering documents for building and permitting. Currently in the 2017 CAFR, out of the assigned fund balance, there's a designated amount of $2.7 million,
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Dr. Jolie Smith Center.
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CRA and Council meeting would require, and here, would require commitment
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so for a total of $3.7 million.
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So you know, I know Nancy just came up and did the funding for the CDBG this year.
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weren't able to get the project, you know, moving forward more quickly in terms of, we had to amend the action plan,
we would
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have to do that again, which is, that's something that
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be done very quickly, and these surveys help us do that, as well as the, you know, we'd have public hearings for next year. So, but we would pledge our future CDBG revenues, you know, to help retire the debt service.
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it was about three, four years ago, we are a grandfathered
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community, meaning communities typically our size do not receive a direct CDBG allocation. They typically compete or, you know, work through the state's small cities CDBG program. So if changes were to happen, and that's why I say the city would still be responsible, because you have to have a pledge that you're going to pick
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The community contribution tax credit program, and I did provide some information in your, in your, in the agenda item. Again, ‸ somebody makes a contribution, let's say they make a corporation makes a $100,000 contribution, they'd receive a tax credit, $50,000 against their corporate tax, tax liability in the state of Florida. This is a limited funded program. While overall, overall there was $24.5
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only $3.5 million is set aside for community development projects. And speaking with the,
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within 10 days, that amount was gone this year. After July 1st, ‸ the fiscal year starts, within 10 days that amount was gone. So I put that up there because as an indicator on the agenda item, or we indicate
in the
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agenda item, is that we could still,
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or today, I think it was yesterday,
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be eligible to work to solicit corporate contributions during the construction of the project, because I realize you're being asked to take in, you know,
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happen. The Diamond Square Redevelopment Agency, you know, we haven't seen the numbers yet. We won't get the, the, the numbers from the property appraisers, probably until,
you know,
early June. And then their numbers come in a little bit later. But last year, if I recall correctly, about $154, $160,000. They're not, and the fact that the county has yet to take up the issue of whether or not they want to, part of the plan update, is to extend the life of Redevelopment Agency for 25 years, which would enable them to accomplish a number of projects, of which I think council deserves some credit, in that you've taken up a number of the projects. You, you know, partnered with and put out substantial funds
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the Leon and Jewel Columns Museum for African American Culture and History,
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Some of it's grant funded, but we've applied for it and we've just received another grant to help us get the project. And it's, ‸ there's a match to it.
to
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get the site on the National Historic Registry, which will then enable us to apply for additional funds for, you know, for curation and museum operations and
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And we actually have budgeted, you have budgeted $25,000 this year, and we are working on, for, you know, the, the display cases, you know, the pedestals, you know, to display artifacts and the things of importance, the, you know, the TV for the purposes of running programs, maybe seating, you know, so you could have, like, you know, lecture series if somebody wants to come in and discuss it.
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then, so, so we're trying to, we're using that $25,000 you authorized for this year to purchase, you know, items to help move that museum along. Then, yes, sir.
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and then there's a match of about $28,000. I will tell you,
it
is,
the,
we, it's a, if
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recall correctly, it's a three-year grant because it's a lengthy process to get a site designated. And we are going to ‸ procure the services because we don't have anybody that has a historic preservation background.
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think it's critical because it will open up the opportunity to get more funding in the future.
Okay.
So, and then the other,
the other
is, you know, if you've been on Stone Street, you know, they're already ‸ staging equipment and
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And that's, you know, about,
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So I think the city's partnering with the Diamond Square Redevelopment Agency to effectuate or to, you know, to help implement their plan, recognizing the limited resources they have. And it's the right thing to do in the sense that it's our most impoverished and it's the highest percentage of underserved and disadvantaged residents in our community.
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I
mean, I mean,
like,
take the regional stormwater facility.
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just besides having a walking trail around there, that accommodates the stormwater runoff for the Dollar General
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which
helped
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make those projects possible.
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in.
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lots.
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comment was made that, well, you know, we're going to not, there is a restriction that we provide. Those lots have to be developed with low and moderate income housing. So that's in the agreement with us and
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So that's kind of, the funding is $4.675 million,
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to provide
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with some of the other investments that you've made in a department
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and legislation. So the requested city action is to approve a preferred site location for the new ‸ Dr. Jolie-Smith Center and commit up to $3.7 million to support the project. Secondly, direct the city attorney to draft a new local agreement with the Diamond Square CRA to memorialize the city's financial contribution to the new Dr. Jolie-Smith Center project and the Diamond Square CRA's commitment to fund pool improvements if it's at the existing site
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Prioritize and fund park improvements from a non-selected site. And then one of the concerns that was raised at the meeting was, what are we going to do with the existing center? Can something be done with it?
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existing center. So with that, Mayor, Members, ‸ Council, I will certainly entertain any questions that you may have.
A couple questions.
The
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Diamond Square, did they ever vote on that? Well,
you had the joint meeting.
Well,
I
know that, but nothing really, we all talked.
We
didn't do, I guess. Oh, you know.
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Okay, you don't have to.
Okay.
I
came back to the fact that the city council is paying for it, so the city council, you're taking community input, and their input was there as well. Yeah.
It's possible for us to leave the center as it sits today and do some work
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the building and move the building to Provost or move it to the front of Washington and Stone.
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So really our decision is to go vertical at Provost
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you were being, you were asking you.
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Well, that comes ‸ back to the Diamond Square Redevelopment Agency since they will have some funding for the next five years. Unless the county commission reauthorizes or updates their plan, which
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25 years, and they can undertake other projects.
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project of the issues at the Brevard County Parks and the rec identified.
And
in the agenda item I talked about, if you expand that building, you know, you have basketball courts, You're really kind of taking out a whole wall. It's not just like doing that, adding a room to a house.
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lead-based paint. You'd have to bring,
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the code as
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relation to mechanical electrical plumbing, ‸ which would include the AC units. ‸ There's a lot there. So, And then if you do try to expand it, you know, it butts right up against the parking. And even if you just double decide. It doesn't
make any sense to expand to the old building. I'm just saying, are we going to leave the old building? We would
leave the old building. I mean, our recommendation to the Diamond Square is that they fund, ‸ that's part of the ILA, is they fund, you know, one of
the
projects. because can it be repurposed?
Yeah, but
I
mean, nobody's saying it, But if we do build a new gymnasium and classrooms and wherever else the amenities and pool and all
these stuff at the provost,
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it's not going to be
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You know, I'm back.
Exactly.
So, I'm just saying, I mean, I'm not trying to score points here. So we can leave the old site just
renovated a little bit, right? Renovated? I don't know what,
I
mean, it's my understanding of talking with our capital projects manager and understanding the issues that are presented. Yeah. We don't even know what the cost would be to try to just go in there and renovate it. Okay.
I'll say a couple things before we get going.
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Brenda. I have questions, so
let's go ahead. finish your, you might have the same ones I have.
Yeah, I just, I just want the audience to know, I went to school
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I lived over here, okay, in the mid-70s and There's one thing I knew growing up and going over to
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drive,
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now it's, yeah, yeah, right there. So, one thing I learned is that our neighborhood, because it's connected everywhere where we live in the city, our neighborhood needed some work and I just want everybody to know when I was elected, it took two or three years for everybody to listen, I guess, but I was demanding that we do something
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to build a new center. I do understand the last meeting I went to at the Moore Center that everybody was more, you know, it's a historical site, if you understand that. You know, now we're going to go to, you
know,
it's a building that was built in 1963, same age as me, it's old. You know, we can continue this, you know, we can do some work to it and keep it, it probably sounds like the right thing to do, but really, as a city, we need to bring maybe a new building to the other site. because I tell you,
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And it doesn't mean we have to build a building on Provost, But it does mean,
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and it's back to business,
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The drug trade that really ruined us, I mean,
it's
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set this end of all the work, all the great work we've done in the district with Peach Tree,
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all the streets
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but my point is, consider, whatever we do tonight,
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you know,
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you know, ‸ it weighs heavy. Now, again, I don't
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looking the way it does. And whatever we decide we do, we do, but we must keep that as a park and a beautiful park. That's our gateway to the south, But anybody that lives in the neighborhood knows that
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had people from all over the county and Orlando.
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the county maintains it. Yeah, no, well,
well,
‸ we want to And that's what we don't want to go back to. Right.
Right. ‸ Yeah,
their excuses is the tax. Yeah, okay, I got you. Brenda, go ahead.
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the fact that we've had an agreement with the county for all these years. We have an MSTU so that our residents pay a special tax to provide funding for the county to maintain our parks. and
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We've had issues with them. If you look at what the county does at the parks that they manage for us versus what we do with our own parks, there's a world of difference And it has nothing to do with what neighborhoods our parks are ‸ in. It has to do with the county is maintaining facilities that
they don't do a good job. They
don't do a good job. They don't maintain anything. ‸ I have a problem
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Good point.
I would like to address this as a whole. If we're going to continue to partner with the county to manage our
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then we need to demand better service from the county because we pay for it and we don't get what we pay for. We've never gotten what we paid for. We used to have a parks and rec advisory board in the city of Cocoa when years ago
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was mayor, part of their job was to look at our parks and evaluate what was going on. I was on that board. That should help. And at that time it was decided that in those days, which
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been 20 years ago, it would have taken
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just to get the city up to speed to be able to manage our own parks. So it wasn't financially feasible for us to do that.
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that time and say to the county, we're going to continue this arrangement, then we need to get better service from you. Their excuse was, oh, well, you know,
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You know, you need to give us extra money. We already give you extra money. You know,
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We pay taxes to get this done. If it's not enough, then let's look at changing the MSTU. Let's let the people decide if they want to pay more for recreation in the city of Cocoa. But until I have an idea what can be done with the current
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to continue to serve that community, I have a hard time making a decision where to put a new building. because if the current building could be renovated and can still be of use to the neighborhood, then I would like to build a new building over at
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from your statistics, there's a huge population over in that neighborhood that isn't being served at all. So we can serve two neighborhoods with the same amount of money. That's my opinion. I don't have a park in my neighborhood,
but, you
know, I love the park
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I'm
going
to go over there. That serves the community. But you know what? The children who live in that neighborhood, what they've got, they've got a basketball court, an outdoor basketball court. A center at Provost Park would be close enough that those children along that
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could also enjoy something where Jolie Smith is a little bit far for them right now. We've got to do something about the current situation at Provost Park, like the mayor said. There's no reason we can't form a partnership with
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make sure that any children in our city who want to get over to Provost Park to any facility we build over there, since the SCAT station is going to be right next door, There's no reason why we can't work out a deal where we can provide bus transportation for those children to go to that center over there from all over the city. I wouldn't let my children walk across
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but I might let them get on a bus with an older sibling or an older child from the neighborhood and go over there. I just think we can serve more of our community with this amount of money, and to me that is my job. My job is to do the most I can do for my community with the money that the people give us to work with. Yep, that's right. And to build another
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Smith currently sits leaves a huge amount of people on the west side of 520
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There's
no reason why we can't do both with the same amount of money, and that's just my opinion. My job is to do the most for the most people in
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we have to work with, and in my opinion, renovating the current
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bringing it up to code, and then doing something at
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but I don't really feel comfortable making a decision until I have a feasibility study that tells me what
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Center to make it viable. Okay. That's my job. Can I just
respond? The city attorney, the assistant city manager, and I have met with the county regarding the parks service agreement and
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to ‸ bring forward a new agreement. ‸ I don't
want you all to think I'm putting the blame on staff. It's
i just want
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anybody... We have
not stepped up and talked to our county commissioners and demanded better service out of our county commissioners. You all at the staff level, I realize ‸ you work with the county staff, but we have some power to deal with the county commission. Our residents have some power to deal with the county commission because they're up for reelection here. So it's us that
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to demand that our county provide better service if they're collecting our tax money. I'm done.
Mr. Booker.
Yes. Thank you, Councilwoman Warner, for your comments, and I echo those sentiments in regards to
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I do have a
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heard from many of my constituents in regards to them being left out on the west side of this boulevard,
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And that is one of the things that we're planning, or was planning, to highlight with the new location of the Dr. Jolie Smith Center. Now, I've heard this hot-button issue from both sides and all sides,
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been said and done and blamed placed for a shouldn't lie. So, having said that, we've had people to come to our meetings with specific agendas because of what we call
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My question to you is,
is
the Jolie Smith Center on the historic site register?
No, sir, and I don't believe it would qualify.
It doesn't qualify for a historic site?
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Okay.
My point is this. When we use the verbiage historic site, we need to be truthful in how we use that. Because if it's not a historic site, then we shouldn't label it as an historic site.
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I've been living in this community for six decades and a half plus. I attended after school programs at the Jolie Smith Center. So, I am a part of this community, an intricate part of it. And I feel, as an elected official, what the Councilwoman Warner said makes good sense to me, that we need to place that facility where it would be better utilized in a location to where all of the children will have equal access to it. And not just because it was built in a location where it was predominantly minorities. And if you guys would please respect... Would you please respect... Hold down
for a minute, please.
...the conversation that we're having. And this is some of the things that we run into when we have predetermined decisions made by people who don't even qualify to come before Council.
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new facility. You guys open the door and I'm coming in. We have people who come before Council who've been shunned by their own people. And now they're trying to speak on behalf of the people. We don't need that.
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bidding. Take a look at what has happened in the United States of America. We have Donald Trump as our president, But the popular vote was Hillary Clinton, but Trump is the president.
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When you have
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elected officials, you're doing the wrong thing. Church and
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this facility stays where it is. ‸ may not be the right thing for all concerned.
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We've taken a look at the statistics as to where best to place this facility. Just like we have these new fire stations going in, we had an issue with people coming to us saying that, why are you closing down the fire station in the black neighborhood? Wasn't the case. The best place, the best place for that facility was to serve the entire community in the location that was chosen for all
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I'm for keeping it where it is, but I'm more for replacing it and putting it where it's best used,
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That is where I'd love to see it go. So having said that, Mr. Mayor, I believe that we need to do the right thing for all of the citizens of this community. We're going to do that.
We're going to do
that.
Okay.
Just answer ‸ questions.
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I think he had the lead.
He had to go? He's gone. Okay. Eugene Peoples.
I
agree with what he's saying.
It
was a great slide.
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I agree with you. You had a great slide.
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But that
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It's like he was saying. You know, renovating the stuff and the money, it's bad off where it's at.
And
the things that you said I disagree with also. But, you know, we can only do this.
So
I'm going
to
keep it simple. But I would really like to sit down and have a one-on-one with a couple of you in here. Is that possible?
Really?
Okay.
Eugene, a quick question.
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Yeah, leave the wheel here. But we build a new one. A new, another one. Over at Purvis.
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No. Okay. Thank you. Yes, sir. I know your family. ‸ All right.
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I'm here on behalf of my
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I was at the last City Hall meeting that was held on May 9th. And I'm just going to alliterate on the comments and concerns that I expressed. And I totally disagree with ‸ Councilman. I believe that I have every right to be standing up here. Let me just say, since you saw me last, my opinion has not changed. I am still against the relocation of the Jolie Smith Center. And I am for rebuilding at the current location, which is the Diamond Square community. There's space. Why move it? And just like Councilwoman said, vice versa, those children over there in the Diamond Square community have to go across the street if
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Okay. Okay. It's going to
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And I know everybody wants to see a nice big
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That's nice, right? But if it's back there in the
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Look what we built. Okay. Provost Park is not Disneyland. It is terrible over there. And I know you talked about
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That's just talk right now. You can't promise us that. It is drugs. It is violence. And it's one ‸ of the worst places right now in Cocoa. So that is my biggest concern. My grandmother is going to be moving over there. And with her, she's going to be bringing three small children. Anyways, my last thought I'm going to leave with you because my minute is it. It is a 1989 film called Field of Dreams. And I'm pretty sure most of you are old enough to remember it. It was a quote in there that says, ‸ if you build it, they will come. Thank you.
Thank you.
All right.
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Good evening.
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I am in total favor of the Jolie Smith Center being rebuilt brand new in its current location, just as you stipulated in the 2014 Diamond Square plan that was approved by the Diamond Square board and the city council. The community center should be accessible so that children and seniors can walk to that location and have all the perfect amenities that you outlined in that plan. That center has served the surrounding community for years. People have come from across US 1, from Fisk North, where the 800 apartments are, all the way down to Jolie Smith Center. It doesn't change. The location is not going to stop crime if you put it in Provost Park. It's not going to stop the crime. The center should remain where it is in the best interest of the community, particularly Diamond Square. But if you want to say the broader community, that's fine, because the folks on the other side of US 1 are going to have to cross over US 1, cross over four lanes of traffic to get to a new center. The children and seniors cannot walk across four lanes of traffic. And they deserve a new center. If you feel like Jolie Smith is run down, build the new center right where it is. Bless the people who have been there for years as seniors, the children. And the community should come first before development. People's lives mean more than just concrete and buildings going up over and over again while people's lives are just being pushed apart. Families are being torn apart. We've heard from mothers who say that Jolie Smith is a central location where their children can go while they're working at night.
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The city manager talked about the surveys that were presented.
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The people want the building rebuilt, the new building in its current location. And that's what they ask you to do. It's not difficult.
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in ‸ 528
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West Cocoa area. That can be possible. There's so many ways you can work this out. But what would remain and what would be the most benefit is to keep the new building in its current location.
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It's historic to us in the black community and ‸ in the surrounding communities. History is not just concrete
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assessing what's made of a building. History is from the heart. History is what's been lived out in people's lives. So it is and will always remain the historic Jolie Smith Center.
Very good. Thank you.
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Hello.
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I
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I personally think Jolie Smith should stay where it's at. It should be renovated. It should have never got ran down like it was if it had been properly kept up and maintained. I also think that Provost should be built up. The kids deserve to be built up.
And
since y'all throw drugs in it, let's take it down.
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Because I saw it happen to my mother. My mother had raised judges. Judge Pound. I can go there with you. And a few more. And I saw what they did to her. But they patted her on the back. We was the first one
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Okay? So let's go there. ‸ You know your black history? You know what happened to Martin Luther King?
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The white man paid them to kill him. Okay? Now you sitting here saying that you feel like Jolie Smith is not historic. How could you even say that? Jolie Smith ‸ is historic to the black community. That's all the kids know. Just like all they know is Provost. You know what? Our black boys get targeted. They're walking across the street. They get stopped because their pants are sagging. Next thing you know they're arrested because they're saying, listen, you know what?
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How could you get arrested?
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So guess what? They're tagged.
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because they can't go get a job.
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a week to ask the black community to help me. Okay? You're right. It is our fault because a lot of the mothers, like you said, shown me wouldn't help. Okay? And look what it's come to. But now you know what? Now we're learning to fight back. But I'm letting you know y'all can't keep taking from us and think we're not going to stand up and fight back. So you got to stop and you got to start compromising with us because this is our community. Y'all have kept us at bay.
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might know you, Stone Street, and y'all have closed it all off. But now we got 90-year-old women, 88-year-old women that cannot cross those streets.
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Thank you, Mrs. McCormick.
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for the record, please. My
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Center. Good evening to our city council and our mayor. It would be in the best interest of the children and seniors in the community to rebuild the new center at its current location. The new center would continue to provide services to the people who live in Diamond Square. ‸ The center is currently used. removing this historic landmark would negatively impact the residents and property owners there. Thank you very much. Thank
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good evening
Good evening.
Name and address for the record, please.
Linda Graham, [address], Cocoa, Florida. I have actually passed out some information that I will be going over, and I want to read, Councilman Whipple, I too have done my homework, so I didn't come unprepared. And I'm reading to you from the plan. If you turn to page 21, I want to read what it says. And this is a plan that we worked long and hard on.
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my time. And I spent an enormous amount of time working on this plan.
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trusted you, Mayor Parrish. I trusted you, Mr. Whipple, Councilman Whipple, and I
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We moved forth on this plan. Why was it good then, and now it's not? This is what this says.
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type of services that have been identified, a significantly upgraded facility, or a new community center which served many purposes. And I'm not going to read the whole thing, but it was in that location. What happened? What changed? You approved ‸ it. The Diamond Square Board approved it. And then it moved to the county. Are you telling me, because it kind of concerns me, if you're telling me that you approved something, and then years later you come back and say, that's not a good idea. I totally agree that something needs to happen at Provost Park, but I totally, totally agree that what we decided on in all
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Whipple, you blessed it.
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you blessed it. We need to go forth with it. We were assured. Now, I trusted you. I trusted you. When
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that's not at all what we agreed on. That's not user-friendly to me. It was supposed to be the community center.
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it is for fundraising purposes. Do you remember that? And ‸ you told me that it would change back. The name would change back. That's in a recorded meeting, a Diamond Square meeting. And you assured me after that meeting that the name would change back.
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At the meeting the other night, you said, put your email addresses ‸ down. We'll notify you when the next meeting takes place. I trusted you. And that didn't happen. We were not notified.
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notify us. ‸ And I would like to ask for a couple of extra minutes, please.
‸ No, I can't do it by law. By law, I can't.
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Could I please have a few minutes?
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Attorney? Yes. If the council agrees,
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What's the law on this?
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Well, we have certain policies that establish a certain time period. If the council unanimously wants to afford additional time, you can do that. Okay. Council?
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Okay. Over time? Okay. Over. Good. Good work. The other thing
is that you have a citizen participation plan that you are a part of. The Section 108 plan, when you apply for that funding, you have to include ‸ the community's input. This plan does not say you have to live in the city of Cocoa in order to participate. I'm not sure if you took other people out of the numbers, but I'm telling you, if you submit an application to HUD, and you have to include the community input, and those meetings that you had are not the meetings that can be listed in that Section 108 loan, because you have not published that for the people to see. So you would have to have another meeting, a community meeting, to address the concerns. And if you send it up showing that the community was not in favor of it, and you send it up anyway, trust me, HUD is not going to look favorably at that. And you need to understand that. The kitchen, and I want to say something that was mentioned at a meeting that I attended. I said, the new center that you're proposing does not have a kitchen.
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there's a kitchen out under the pavilion. And my comment was, do ‸ you expect the citizens to have a repass after a funeral service, go under a pavilion and cook, and then take the food up to a building? Surely, surely, surely. That's not what you're proposing. That's not fair. And I want you to think about that. I have volunteered in this community for over 20-some years. Anybody that knows me knows that I lift the city of
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I am so highly disappointed right now.
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I know the processes. And what you're proposing, it's not right. You know, if you say that you want to improve Provost Park, that's one thing.
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But don't knock what we spent all that time working on. Don't knock that. It was okay then. It should be okay now. You know, you talk about crime. When you close, Provost, what happened to the crime? It moved to the Jolie Smith Center. And I'm telling you, I don't live in that area. But like I said in another meeting, my grandchildren do. And it saddens me to even think that you would take that away from them. It saddens me to ‸ think that. That you feel it's better to move it. And I feel like, honestly, it's for self-serving purposes. And that bothers me. I will support you to the end on anything that you do if you do it right.
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And I will not support you at all if that's what you do. I will not.
Thank you, Ms. Brown.
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How you doing? Name and address for the record, please.
Hello.
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I was going to address items. However,
the young lady addressed them for me. But I will address you, Mr. Whipple. Qualify. Qualify the person.
Young lady that just
came up here. Answered that question for you. Because if she wasn't, I would have. I have researched this.
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After moving around the country with
lucent
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technology. And for your history lesson, Mr. Whipple, I was the
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I worked there after work. Just so the center, so the pool would stay open until twilight. So I left Kennedy Space Center from NASA to sit there for those kids. I have taught many
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They're not kids anymore.
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Okay. I'm going to bring in family. Nancy and James Brightman were along with Rudy Stone,
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Richard Blake. Sylvester Weaver. Dr. Jolie Smith.
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And others were tirelessly to get that center built. I was young, true enough, 17, 18 years old. But my uncle taught me to look out for my community. That's the reason I volunteered to be a lifeguard. And went through certification for that. So that's the history.
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Have you applied for it? If not, it's not going to be an historic site. But these people and myself, it's a historic site.
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So if you want an historic Mr. Whipple, let me know. I'll help apply for it. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments. Thank you.
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Jewel Collins.
Good evening.
I'm
Jewel Collins. Past Councilwoman. Past Deputy Mayor. And I also serve on the Diamond Square presently at this time. I just want to... Those words that have been said before me, I don't need to go and repeat them because you heard them, but the community has said. We've ‸ been in several meetings before. And most of them, the last one we had, I think
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that they do not want the Jolie Smith Center moved. Also, ‸ in my speech, I said that I have parents
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And these were the words that I have heard from parents. They said that they would take their children to school, but they didn't get
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out of work, off work. So I don't need to repeat. You heard everything that I said the last time, and I still stand on those grounds. I, for one, does not want to see the Jolie Smith Center move. I live in Provost Park, and
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That's the place that I feel that you need to work on. But removing Jolie Smith Center out there, that's not going to change those people that like to come out there and they do most anything. I know there's a lot of drinking and a lot of other things going on out there because I live out there, and I know I've seen it. I don't want to see Jolie Smith Center move.
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if you want to do something with the Jolie Smith Center, is to ‸ renovate it. ‸ And I've heard some of the people that said that they would like to see you maybe expand it.
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I would go for, that you would leave it at the center, leave the center where it is, and to enlarge it if ‸ you have that money. So ‸ anyway, I think I've said enough, and you've ‸ heard what I've said,
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Thank you. Jewel. Jewel, thank you.
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Reverend Oliver W. Wells.
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My concern today is
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and along with staff, you have an opportunity to invest in a community. And it's not, it should never be either or. It should be and. Your investment is very important in this community. It's important to me that we recognize, and I need to reiterate, it's already been said. You've got a number of people that ‸ showed up on May 9th in order to let you know what their voice was. And they made that absolutely clear at that time. I know Councilman Whipple,
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I didn't see any of the others that are here at that meeting. But that meeting is very important. Because it really was the voice of the community. This room, I was sitting there just thinking about this. This room is deceptive in the way that it's built. The way that this room is built, we are, the people are in, in these chairs. But you all, as city officials, sit in these chairs. And it would make you think that the balance of power, the balance of power is in the front of the room. The balance of power is back here. And this is really important because when you've taken time to have a meeting,
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in order to make this come about. Now, it's interesting to me that, and I'm going to quickly close.
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with the building of it. We need to see it built right where the people want it, right there in the former place, or in the present place,
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Doesn't need to be moved. Now, I am in favor of work that needs to be done at Provost. You must do that. But right now, while the money has been allocated, don't change this. Don't change this. Because the plan has already been made. I think it's important that you follow through for the trust of the community.
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You are not. You work at, you serve, let me just say this, at the community's
discretion.
All right.
Very good.
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Good evening. Pamela Shell Hooks. 723 Carissa Avenue, Cocoa, Florida. My first concern as an educator for 27 years with Brevard Public Schools, I have a problem with, Mr. Councilman, with all due respect, but the way that you lean back, because posture and everything, it says a lot. So thank you. Thank you kindly, because I know I have your attention. I
have a question.
A product of Poinsett Elementary School and Poinsett Middle School. May 9th meeting at the Civic Center.
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If that is the label that you have given us concerned citizens, then ‸ let the record reflect that the troublemakers are here again tonight for the same purpose that we were here for at the meeting May 9th. It has also been stated, Councilman Whipple, that behind closed doors, you said you don't care what the community wants. If that statement is true, and I say if because sometimes people have a tendency of saying things that may not be true, but if you made that statement, I don't want you to get too comfortable behind closed doors because there's always a crack or a leak behind that door and information will get out.
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I need to ask the council if you are ready for any possible litigation or if you are ready for any violation,
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because it requires that you get the input of the community and it's not just input and then shoved under the rug.
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and ‸ you need to listen to us because it's our children that will access the Jolie Smith Center. Your children will not go to those centers, so it is not up to you to make the decision. It is up to the community and you need to hear us.
Thank
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Nate Hooks.
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Good evening. Good evening. We have, as a community, attended several meetings, and each of those meetings, the community spoke lively that we want the new facility built
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It may not be registered on the register in Tallahassee, but for us, it's a historic site. Now, also, we've had four additional meetings in addition to the May 9th.
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in saying, we want a new facility built at Jolie Smith Center. Okay? And let me give you three reasons. There are multiple, but three.
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estate property of the homeowners that lives around the present site to decline in value if it's moved.
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safely to Jolie Smith Center. They would have to walk farther and across four lanes of heavy traffic highway, 5th Boulevard, to get to the center if it was built there. That would create an undue hardship and fear on the parents wondering if their kids is going to dash across four lanes of highway and going in four lanes coming back home. So why would we subject our kids to that? We should not. ‸ Thirdly, relocating to provost will expose our kids in getting hit by cars and killed. And I know as concerned elected officials, you don't want that. I would not. Now, traffic safety is very important. And I know my time is about gone, but 20 seconds if you will.
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Jones. In 2017, there was 19 accidents between 520 and Rosa Jones on 5th. In 2018 already, we've had four accidents from
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Now, that's just those accidents. But other accidents that we term as impact
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Now, don't forget
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These are additional accidents that is exposing our kids to harm and possible death if the center is moved to that location. I thank you for your time.
Thank
you. May God bless.
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The
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petitions
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people. Petition signatures that the community undertook, along with two letters, supporting the building of the new facility being built there on the present site. 239 signatures, including many in the Virginia Park and Pine
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Thank
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Yes, sir. Alex Greenwood. This is the final one. Alex.
Hello. Mayor, council. I'll be very quick.
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The proper decorum that was presented here to me is passion. What I see these adults were
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Now their kids are going. This is an important situation that I think we need to continue with what the majority that I saw at the end of the meeting. They all stood up. They said it very clearly and the meeting was over. And that meant they're wanting
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made better, and building a
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I wrote on my survey, a lot of people saw what I wrote. and what I wrote on the survey was,
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I'm always about that. Bottom line. I feel that you should build a new facility there like the public has stated. The majority. Okay. But we cannot ignore provost. I've heard that from every person here.
Every person.
So, let's do ‸ a facility that supports the new facility
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Something that maybe
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have that could potentially have it in another location. The other good thing is, is now you don't have a division. You have a lot of people on the other side of this
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So, it supports the idea of having something for both areas. And you get the upgrades,
you
eliminate possibly the continuation of the drugs, and then you're supporting what's here. That's it.
Okay. Thank you.
Very good. You're right, Alec. Very passionate. And I appreciate everybody. Staying with this. And it's true. We did as a city.
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We
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And putting a new building on it. And making our neighborhood the best it can be. I hope you agree. ‸ It's actually overwhelming. You know, this isn't the only intel we get. ‸ People calling us all the time. But. As a community, let's be mindful of provost what we need to do there. And that's going to be a future decision. But let's. Let me. Let me share the. Info here.
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I just. I just.
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I did have a child who went to
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But. She's now 40 years old. So. I don't have a. A dog in this fight, so to speak.
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On a personal level. I don't have an investment. In where
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center goes. But I do have an investment in my community. Because like Mrs. Collins, I have spent the majority of my life. Giving my time to
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And I do think it's important. That we continue to
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there.
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of our community. Whether it be on the west side of Fisk. And I understand Mr.
Hooks' concern
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my children crossing Fisk Boulevard either. But if I lived in Virginia Park, I wouldn't want my children crossing
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So we have parents on both sides of the road who are in the same predicament. No matter where the center goes, there are parents whose children are going to be at risk. So we need to solve that problem no matter where the center goes. We have children that
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get to a community center on their own.
But
I don't feel that doing for one part of the community means we can't do anything for the other part of the community.
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do with
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So I don't know if
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I don't know.
The current building is sitting there. In this plan we have, we have no intention of tearing the current building down.
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study to see what could be done with the current building.
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have the old building there. I would like to know what we can do with that building before we have a definite plan of the building that
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I want to know what we can do with that old building.
Do
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new building we build at Joe Lee Smith that we hadn't planned to do because
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community wants the Joe Lee Smith Center built at the current location. That is fine with me. You all have spoken.
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Even though I have heard from a lot of people who would like to see it moved to Provost Park, these 239 are more than I have heard from about moving it to Provost Park. The people have spoken. As far as I'm concerned,
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But
I want to know before we have a definite plan, I want to know for my staff, I want that feasibility study done, and I want to know what's going to happen to that current building. Are we going to tear it down? Are we going to renovate it before we take any steps to
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And I agree. We
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It is not usable, according to some of the county staff. ‸ We not only need
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swimming pool that is usable for the children in that neighborhood that need to learn how to swim, because
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in the state of Florida. So we need the pool to stay there. We need the center there. But I'm not comfortable. I will vote
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vote on a final plan until I know what we're going
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Okay.
Doug? Yeah, I'm the same way as Brenda. I think, you know, if
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to get a feasible study before we spend $4 million on the building and
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Park,
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So I think before we vote on where we should locate that new center, we should do a feasible study and let us know what's
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If we can remodel that and redo it, then we can
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want to stand.
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Yeah, I want to make it clear to the audience and attendance tonight and listening ‸ at home that I attended that meeting on May 9th, and I went there with an open mind, and I wanted to hear firsthand what the residents wanted. That center has been there for many years, and I know it served the community, and it served it well. And what I heard that night overwhelmingly was that the community wants to keep the center where it's at. So I heard some arguments that were in favor of moving it, and I did hear a couple of remarks made about, well, can't we do improvements to
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And so I'm not opposed to that either. I think we do need to address Provost. Yeah, and at some point we do need to put some city money into ‸ fixing that park up as well.
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to see firsthand the condition of the pool, first of all. It's deplorable. And you still swim in it, and that is unacceptable. I will. The basketball court, I didn't see any real issue with that. It's an outdoor court, but it looked like it was still pretty usable. But, you know, that center is beyond its useful
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It's what we call end of
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as far as usability, feasibility. It's just it needs to be replaced. And so, you know, we are public servants. We're up here, and we are listening to our constituents. We're listening to the voices of the people that we serve. And so what I said earlier, what I heard that night was overwhelmingly that the residents are in favor of leaving the center right where it's at. And we rebuild a new center.
Thank
you. Mr.
Whipple.
Yes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. This issue is extremely touching to all of us and important to our community as a whole. Earlier, I stated that I would prefer that the facility be placed in Provost Park. And there was a couple of questions that were asked of the city manager. That if we place that facility in Provost Park, could we allow the
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to remain where it is?
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because the following the meeting, it was location. Again, staff have been moving forward all the way up until, you know, recently.
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brought, well, I don't mean, has anybody looked at relocating?
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because we spent money to go to the existing site. So we never, I mean,
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can tell you, to go back to, I mean, the county, city contributes taxpayers $650,000 for the District 4 Rec Fund. $256,000 of that is spent on programming and operating and maintenance expenses for Jolie Smith Center.
Okay. Okay. My reason for asking that question is that I heard something tonight in regards to building the new facility at the Provost Park location and renovating the current Jolie Smith Center. What's the possibility of that?
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this is a Diamond Square redevelopment project that the city is taking on. And that they would, whatever site's not selected, you know, prioritize and program their funds to the non-selected site, but also to undertake that feasibility study. Because one member of the public at the community meeting mentioned about what could be done with the existing center. We don't know the full condition. We gave a list of what we do know. So we don't know if it can be repurposed.
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the word, end of useful life.
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keep it there or move it at this point prior to the feasibility study?
I think the intent ‸ behind the feasibility study was as a result of comments made at the public meeting was, you know, build the center and then determine if that existing building, because there was a resident that was, well, what are we going to do with the existing one? So it was like, well, build the center because you're still going to need the existing center while the other one's being built.
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or anything.
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earned or whatever.
But,
right. It's kind of hard
to do that inspection now because if you start messing with, see it, you could open up that. Let's
bring this together real quick because we, this is very important and it's taxpayer money. Okay. But, you know,
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If it looks like it needs to be poured down, we'll tear it down. Okay. But, um, it's obvious it needs to stay on that site. Um, as far as, again, Provost Park, it drives me crazy. That'll be a future decision on how we're going to handle that unrelated to this. So, okay.
All right. Now
on this premise, Brenda, go ahead. I just had
a, um, a quick question from the city manager. Did the diamond square RDA, did they see this presentation and did they vote on it at all?
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Or was the only meeting that they had was the joint meeting with council?
That's correct.
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Right.
Okay. So the diamond square RDA never had a diamond square meeting where this presentation was discussed and they had discussion or anything on it. Okay.
But just want to follow up on one item. There's two requested actions. One, the site, and then two is in
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local agreement. And that would, I think the original
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when we discussed it, or when we looked at it,
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demolish it and make it green space, but somebody brought it up, you know, so we're like, well, maybe let's do a feasibility study, see if it could be repurposed for some other use. But it certainly outlived its use ‸ in ‸ the existing facilities.
Okay. So let's see. We were elected to be decision makers.
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How do we get going?
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Or?
I'm in favor of the recommended motion.
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what I've heard from my fellow council members and the mayor is that the majority of the citizens would like to keep the facility in the current site. I have no qualms about doing that. The good thing about this whole process is that the facility will be rebuilt.
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Going forward, we do have an issue with the Cobo Park area. And listening to the citizens and hearing what they've actually said as far as the majority is concerned, I will go along
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I will vote to keep it where it is as well.
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So, having said that, yes, I will go along with the desires of the majority of the community.
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Before we make a motion and vote, I would like to make one comment because I did hear some parents at our May 9th meeting, because
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who live
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expressed some concern. So what I'm going to ask is that those of you who live
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parents that live on the west side and would like their children to be able
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and do your best to help them get their children there safely, whether it's, you know, working to get a crosswalk and a crossing light or something near the fire station or some way to get these kids across the street. I think as a community, we have a responsibility to make sure as many children as possible can utilize this facility. We will work on getting the
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bus ‸ at the SCAT station there and ride over to Jolie
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but we also, you made an effort to come out tonight and hear your, let your voices be heard. Don't let it stop now. Let's
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parents on both sides of the street get the benefit of this new facility. Anyway, with that, unless Mr.
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would like to, I would like to make a motion that we approve the agenda item with the new
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to be located on the current site.
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clarify that, ‸ does that include...
Staff recommendation.
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With
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current site as the proposed site.
And the interlocal agreement. I'm confused
here. Where exactly is it going to be? Look, I know it's going to be
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going to be more towards Washington Street?
Okay, John. Yeah, Stone Street. I'm sorry.
It's
going to
be Stone and Washington, right?
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Okay. Okay, with that
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Folks,
‸ let's just be thankful that we have the money to improve our neighborhoods. And I'm happy as heck. All right. Man. All right. We have a motion.
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All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries 5-0. Thank
you.
Very good. Now, John, do we have to vote on something on that or not?
No, that was the light, the site, and then the interlocal agreement. Thank you for coming out. We appreciate it.
Okay. Yeah, we did something.
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Just put it out there.
Yeah.
All right. Hey,
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You ready?
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council will approve for the police department to enter into a three-year contract with SteriCycle for biohazardous waste. Could we have your
attention, please? The meeting is not over.
And to authorize city manager and city attorney to finalize and execute all required contracts.
Hey, Rip, the meeting's not
over.
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Motion to approve. Second.
All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Thanks, Chief. Number two?
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to enter into a multi-year contract with Axon Enterprises by means of a sole source for unlimited batteries and cartridges for tasers
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to authorize the city manager to execute and sign the contract.
Motion to approve with discussion. Chief, the next time you come up with a project like that, you might want to change the wording in that agenda item just a little bit.
Go ahead.
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I'm sorry.
Motion to approve. Second.
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‸ Aye. That's why she's making that remark. She's opposed.
I've been
tased. She's been
tased.
I
know you've been tased. Ouch.
Me and the mayor, we've both been tased.
Oh, yeah.
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Okay, Matt.
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Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll
be
happy.
Thank
you,
Mr. Mayor.
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and approve a multi-year agreement with Vertex Consulting Inc. to purchase the 5-9 Cloud Contact Center platform utilizing a previously approved sole source resolution and to authorize a city manager to finalize all terms and execute all required contracts. You all may recall with approval of the new phone system that's already been implemented. This was also included with it. After approval, staff and review of the contract prior to signature noticed a few items as far as cost that weren't initially disclosed. And so we went back to the vendor, renegotiated, and that's why you have the item back before you.
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Aye. Any opposed? Very good.
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Anybody in the audience from an advisory board or committee like to speak? Okay. Ed, you're up. You're quiet.
Yes, Mayor. Just one report. Stone Street, the contractor, has begun work. He's working from the railroad tracks back to the west. He's already mobilized.
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the construction that's going to be going on on Stone Street?
No, sir, I haven't heard.
Mr. Whipple, if I could provide an update to that.
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that festival.
Okay. I just wanted to make sure that what we were doing on Stone Street for the upgrades, that
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Okay. Thank you. Okay.
‸ Is that it?
I have
nothing to report.
Okay. ‸ We're requiring something at some point.
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Just
one thing I want to remind everybody, tomorrow from 3 to 6, I know we've been talking about Provost Park.
We'll
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be out at Provost Park with Parks and Rec.
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It's also the reopening of Provost Park. There'll be all kinds of different things going on, bounce houses, as
well
as snow cones and
popcorn
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So please come out and support that event. Please.
Okay. And the hours is-
It's from 3 p.m. to 6 p.m.
Okay. Thanks.
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I'd just like to thank Councilman Whipple for mentioning Lieutenant Jamie Moore and his family.
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But his funeral, if anybody's interested,
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If you'd like more information, I can get it for you. Also, we started running on a new fire station number three today. So I'd just like to let you know that-
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That completes, you know, a big part of the project, which was to move our stations out and cover more of our area. Yeah. And provide better response to all our citizens. ‸ So it's a big, big opportunity to be out there now and have all that done. We will be moving in new fire station number two on the 30th. So
that'll
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complete all our moves. And we'll do that
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‸ Right. Just want to make sure we get there this time. Ahead of time. So thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
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Nothing to report tonight.
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Nothing to report. I hope everyone has a happy Memorial Day.
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Thank
you.
Super attorney. Wow. Um.
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Mr. City Manager.
‸ I know all council is aware, but just we have a number of members of the public in attendance.
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the center for public safety management will be holding the council workshop on the study of the police department.
Okay.
It's six o'clock.
And
then also the last thing,
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It's Memorial Day. We attribute to all those who have ‸ given the ultimate sacrifice in defense of our nation. And there's a parade. The parade is from
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And then the event begins at the stage presentation, unless it rains. We're making contingency plans to move it in.
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It would be at 630.
Wow. Thank you.
Thank
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That's
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All right. Mr. Webble.
Yes. Thank you, Mr.
Webble.
Mayor. First, I'd like to thank your fellow council members for being here tonight and speaking what was on your heart to do in regards to the very touching issue for Provost Park. And I echo your sentiments in regards to going forward. I also would like to say that Martin Luther King, Jr., he had a phrase that he said that the ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in times of comfort and convenience, but where he stands in moments of controversy and challenge. Our community has been challenged. We have came together on one accord to do what
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So I applaud those who came out and gave their honest opinion about what we need to do going forward. Although when I started, I had a preference of the proposed site, I realized that placing that facility at the proposed site against the will of the people would not be the right thing at this moment. So, therefore, I echo the sentiments of council. We had a unanimous vote to place it where it is. I will probably be off council when it comes into fruition. But
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And I will make sure that we get our bang for the buck that we place.
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something that we all can utilize and go forward with in a positive way. So, having said that, ‸ I encourage everyone to continue to work together, whether I'm here or whether someone else is here in this position. Because it's not like sometimes
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are, where you live, what your color is.
I'm going
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to coin the phrase that our former mayor Mike Blake says,
we're
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all God's children. We are but one race and that's the human race. So, going forward, let us not be divided. Let us work together across the
tracks
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to get the job done for us all. So, that's all I have, Mr. Mayor.
Thank you.
Very good.
Very good.
Ms. Warner?
Just a couple things, Mr. Mayor. I had the opportunity to go down to Melbourne Square Mall over the weekend for Superheroes Day. And our police department was represented. It's something they do every year down at Melbourne Square Mall where all the police departments bring out their best toys. And everybody shows off their best stuff, you know. So, yeah, their biggest trucks and their most fancy toys and stuff. So, we always participate in that. So,
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And the thing that was getting the most attention, other than Copper, who we all know always gets attention, was Officer Matt Rush's son, who was actually running the show down there. And
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But he was making sure everybody tried on the vest and the gas mask and the helmets and all the SWAT gear. And he was passing out the little stickers to all the kids. So, I would just like to say thank you to Officer Rush for bringing such a great
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that. Never seen a six-year-old that could put on a SWAT vest in about 15 seconds, but he's really good. And our other officers who participated, some of them I know were on
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us well. It was a lot of fun. I do not expect to see any agenda items coming up anytime soon to buy any of the toys that some of the other departments have though,
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toys they had.
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Anyway, thank you to all of our officers who participated and represented
us
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I just got a couple ‸ things. I'm glad that ‸ we were able to vote and ‸ the wish of the constituents. ‸ We had the petition that was signed by 239 people or whatever. You know, and I'm hoping that in the future we can do something with Provost Park to get somebody on the other side of the city here something to do. But I'm happy that we're going to move forward with the Julie Center up in the area that it's at. And I thank everyone for participating this evening. And that's about all I have to say. Thank you very much. And have a great Memorial Day weekend. And don't forget to remember our veterans. Thank you.
Great. Thank you. Thank
you.
Sure.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, that night at the Civic Center when we
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I think that the message that I got ‸ loud and clear was the passion that the members of the community felt that night for keeping the center where it's at. And so, you know, I had to vote true to my conscience and to my heart to keep the center where it's at. Because, you know, you could just feel the passion in the room for what the community wanted. And so, I applaud the community for your passion to turn out that night. We had over 100 people in that room.
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So, thank you all for coming the night that we had the public meeting. Thank
you. I
also had the pleasure of attending Cocoa High School's 2018 graduation. This past Friday night,
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in hosting us.
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of attending the graduation that night. We had a beautiful weather. The clouds didn't burst open and drench us all. So, we were blessed.
Yeah, it
was
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And then the following day, Saturday, ‸ May 19th, I also
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And Mr. Principal Cole and Mrs. Cole, I can't say enough, what a wonderful job they're doing at that school. And for the community as well. ‸ So, I really enjoyed the graduation service. They do a little thing with the rose.
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but it's the most beautiful, touching part of the graduation ceremony that you'll ever experience. So, I just wanted to thank them again for the invitation of that also. And
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Thank you all for coming tonight though and for voicing your opinions.
You know, again, working together, everybody said it pretty well. The citizens said it best. This is what it's all about. You know, we're not living in Russia. You know, we're living in a... Not yet. Not yet.
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Don't say that. You know, it always takes one to do these things.
You
know what
I
mean? But this is how it's supposed to work. It's
a good democratic.
And all of our hope it worked out all right. Right? Yep. Yep. And I'm excited. This is something else over there. So, but we have to go through the process to get there.
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So, and for everybody. So, thank you, thank you, thank you. Also, let's go back again on Mr. City Manager. Provost Park, obviously, we need to come up with some kind of action plan to give you that corporate word of how we can change the environment over there.
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some kind of action plan that we can look at in the coming months. That'd be great. And, you know, again, hearing from Donna earlier about the 30 vacancy signs. Is there anything that community development can, Karen, what's your take on vacancy signs? You know, like things are going backwards. Rentals are, you know, are increasing for commercial.
Well,
I
think it was Mr. Whitmore that said something during the delegation remarks about the changing face of retail. How spaces are being utilized.
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to share these comments that I heard tonight with Larry Lalo, who's an economic development manager. And we'll, you know, work with the city manager, share ‸ some potential ideas.
I know you have a lot of experience. But,
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It's an early indicator, maybe a year from now, ‸ like, ugh! You know? So, maybe, if we, you know, again, another action plan
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what we can do to, you know, get all the vacancies in the city. You know? I
think you and I probably have a little bit more fear than most people because we remember what it was like when the whole town was done.
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So, you hear that there's vacancies is a little... Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, that's the same feeling I get from back then. Yeah. True. Awesome. Awesome. True. Thank you.
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Hey, man. How
you
doing?
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That's
a
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deputy mayor at Greenwood. Love all ‸ this history. It's good stuff. Yeah. Okay. Karen, thank you. Anything else? No? Oh, good. Okay.
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You know, he uses it. So, we need to do that for at least understanding. We all know Amazon's ‸ coming in.
You
know that, so. Okay. Last thing is I have good news. I don't have good news. I have great news. You ready? I retire in a week.
There you go.
Mm-hmm. You can only imagine what's going to happen after that. So, keep imagining. Mike, you know, Mike knows it. I retire from my job.
Yeah,
yeah. So,
it
just means another job. That's all. You know? Things are good.
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month and a half, whatever it is. It's too much. This is what happens, you know? And then, you know, mayor for six. You know? I'm joking. That's it. That's all I have. Thank you, everybody, for participating. And we're going to shut her down for the night.
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All
in favor? Aye. Thank you.
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That's all I have to say. He knew.
‸ He
set you up.
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