Okay, well let us bow our heads and set our intention to have a productive meeting conducted with civility for the best interests of every Cocoa citizen and the desire to make our special city the best it can be. And with that in mind, I'd like to offer a poem for inspiration. I think that I shall never see a poem lovely as a tree. A tree whose hungry mouth is pressed against the sweet earth's flowing breast. A tree that looks at God all day and lifts her leafy arms to pray. A tree that may in summer wear a nest of robins in her hair. Upon whose bosom snow has lain, who intimately lives with rain. Poems are made by fools like me, but only God can make a tree.
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for
all.
Thank you, ma'am. Madam Clerk, roll call, please.
Mayor Williams.
Present.
Deputy Mayor Warner. Here.
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Here.
Council Member Goins. Here.
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Here. City Attorney Garganese. Here.
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Here.
Thank you.
Okay. First of all, I just wanted to recognize a couple of our ‸ Port Authority members that are here. Mr. Wayne Justice and Mr. Bob Harvey
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here today. So, just wanted to recognize them. And, of course, our former Councilman, Alex Greenwood. But, anyway, we're going to move on
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our agenda, ‸ approve our agenda, item number one for
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I would like to amend the agenda. I'd make a motion to amend the agenda and approve it. The amendment would be to change the order so that item 7-3 becomes item 7-1. And the others are moved consecutively down so that the current 7-1 becomes 7-2 and the current 7-2 becomes 7-3. I think that would make for a better discussion.
Now, you want it 7-...
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You want it 7-3 to be 7-1.
Yes.
And then one move to two and two move to three.
Second.
Okay. We got to...
I
need to also make...
Well,
I think you've done.
‸ Okay.
Also, in the amend awards, number five, the track team had a schedule conflict today. Okay. Okay.
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everybody. So I'd like to table that to the next meeting. Okay.
Okay. So I amend my motion to include... I'm sorry. Postponing that.
Okay.
We
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from Deputy Mayor Warner. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? It passes unanimously. Okay.
We
can move on to our minutes from
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Motion to approve. We
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I have an amendment. I would like to make a change to the minutes and a comment. Just a comment that I know the minutes are really difficult to do. I've done them in my lifetime. It's one of the most challenging things you can do. But they're really
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of folks in terms of recording the official record. So I don't ‸ mean to seem to make minor changes. I just want you to know. I think they're really important. I think we're getting caught up on them, right? Because we have a new person that's going to be helping us. The change that I'd like to make was on page 10, paragraph 3, and it was in reference to the domestic abuse program report. And it stated, I think it was the second sentence, that last year they had received 301 calls. That actually did not refer to calls. They get 2,000 calls. It referred to the number of women that are sheltered. So it was significant in that, and this is how I would like it replaced, so that it would read, on average, 260 women per year are sheltered. Last year that increased to 301. And with that change, I would move to approve the minutes.
We got a motion approved.
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Second.
Okay. We
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All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? It passes unanimously. Okay. We're going to move on to awards and presentation.
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Elected Municipal Officials.
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Yes,
there's a ‸ four.
Okay.
So, this rehearse from the Florida League of Cities.
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Father, hi.
Thank you. Well,
I could have went down and he could have stayed up there. Well, congratulations.
Thank you very much.
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to go to their first emo soon. ‸ I hope you all enjoy it as much as I've always enjoyed going. It's about the only real learning experience
that there is out there for
public
officials.
You just, you can't beat it. It's ‸ like a year of college in two days.
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of
good information. That's for sure.
All
right. Okay. We're going to move on to item number two
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awards and presentation, which is a proclamation for National Safe Boating Week. I'm going to read that real quick. Whereas the recreational boating season approaches its maximum activity and Florida leads the nation in registered vessels with approximately
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million and with over 22 million boaters using and enjoying Florida's beautiful waterways annually. Whereas approximately 650 boaters die each year and Florida leads the nation in the annual number of boating accidents and deaths. With
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swimmers, and with
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accidents, having no formal boating education.
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kicking off
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the boating community about wearing life jackets taking about safe boating courses, having their boats receive a safety examination for the required equipment ‸ and promoting other safe boating practices. And whereas Brevard County has a multitude of organizations involved in helping to educate the public, including the U.S. Coast Guard and
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and the Brevard County Sheriff Office, Agriculture and Marine Unit, who all emphasize getting a vessel safety check, displaying
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safety seal, always wearing a life jacket, and attending the classroom version of about boating safety to obtain their Florida boating license. And whereas
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Squadron has less than 1.9% fatality rate.
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organizations offer educational opportunities to the public, not only during safe boating week, but throughout the year using methods including, but not limited to, vessel inspection, safe boating classes, hands in training,
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fire extinguisher seminars, education exhibits, and marina opening and boating shows, classroom participation, and in the water life jacket demonstrations. Now therefore, our Mayor Jack Williams, Jr., on behalf of the City
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do by support the
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through 25th, 2019,
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I don't know if the gentleman is here.
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I guess he didn't make it, so we'll make sure we give ‸ that to him. And we're going to move on to item number three in our awards and presentation, which is a proclamation,
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And this is whereas ‸ every day 100 Americans are killed by gun violence, and on an average there are nearly 13,000 gun homicides every year. And whereas Americans are 25 times more likely to be killed with guns than people in other high income countries. And whereas protecting public safety in the communities, they serve as Mayor's highest responsibilities. And whereas support for the Second Amendment rights of law ‸ abiding citizen goes hand in hand with keeping guns away from people with dangerous histories.
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most familiar with the local criminal activity, and how they address it, and are best positioned to understand how to keep their citizens ‸ safe. And
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in President Obama's second inauguration parade, was ‸ tragically shot and killed just weeks later,
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short, and the countless survivors who are injured by shootings every day, a national coalition of
organization
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has designated June the 7th, 2019, the first Friday in June, as the fifth National Gun Violence Awareness Day. And whereas the idea was
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wearing orange. They chose the color because hunters wear orange to announce themselves to other hunters when out in the woods, and orange is a color that symbolizes the value of human life. And whereas anyone can join this campaign by pledging to wear orange on June the 7th, the first Friday on June ‸ 2019,
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the 7th, 2019, Americans will raise awareness about gun violence and honor the lives of gun violence victims and survivors. And whereas we renew our commitment to reduce gun violence and pledge to do all we can to keep firearms out of the wrong hands and encourage responsible gun ownership to help keep our children safe. Now, therefore, I'm Mayor Jake Williams, Jr. on behalf of the City
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in June,
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move on to item number four, which is update on the Port Canaveral. And we have the Commissioner Wayne Justice.
I
just want to do a little introduction. First of all, I don't know how many of you have found it confusing, but we have a lot of different districts.
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districts.
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as mentioned earlier.
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1. The District 4 that I live in, 3 and probably parts of 2, are represented by Commissioner Wayne Justice. He is, he has been in office since 2014.
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Academy,
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Naval War College graduate. He spent 37 years in the Coast Guard with 15 of those assigned in Florida.
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rescue patrols.
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So we're very fortunate to have you as our Commissioner. Yes, we are.
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good
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This
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and I'll talk about them.
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a couple of history slides here, just to kind of get you up where we're at here. This is 1950, we
were
nothing but a beach. They cut a hole
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Yes, he was. He's in that picture, I'm sure.
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Our, we were pretty Spartan in the day. Wow. Those are our offices back then. Wow. Obviously, we're doing, we're doing a whole lot better now. Just a couple of points, you know, we used to be fishing oil, and now we've expanded significantly.
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We are elected, which is not the norm in ports, and ‸ most importantly, we ‸ can tax. ‸ We have not levied taxes since 1986, so we generate revenue off of our business ‸ model there. What we look like
right now,
I want to specifically point out, just to understand, you know, we're a cruise port. ‸ That's cruise and parking there. Our other business lines are solid and growing, but obviously we're a cruise port. The bottom line in the red is what really matters.
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our revenues. So things are going just fine out there. Cruise, cargo, recreation, and real estate.
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on. That's unique. Again, a lot of ports don't have the recreation and entertainment side that we do. Most importantly, we're a deep water port.
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Three years ago, we completed ‸ a widening and deepening dredging. We're blessed in Canaveral with benign sand in our port, so it's pretty easy to dredge once you get your permitting. Just move the sand out, and ‸ it works out pretty ‸ well.
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‸ Up until now, ‸ it's one of the nicest terminals probably you're going to find anywhere newest, and works well enough that we are blessed with having the second largest cruise ship in the world tying up there. It's a three-year-old Harmony.
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was
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sister ship down in Miami. But every Sunday, 6,500 people get off. 6,500 people get back on. ‸ Just one ship. Wow.
Our
cruise operation is going so well that we
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another terminal. In the center there is Christine Duffy, who's the chairman of the board of, she's the CEO of Carnival Cruise Lines, and we are building this as we speak. It's down by the boat ramps on the southeast side, Terminal 3, and we're hard at work at it. It's a $160 million project. It's one of the top five largest projects in the greater Orlando area under construction right now. There's the waterfront. There's the terminal in this parking garage. All ‸ into construction right now. Waterside ops are actually getting close to completion, and we're well underway on the shore side. Let's be ready by next spring, summerish.
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and home boarded in this terminal. It's got a roller coaster on it.
You
know, the cruise ships are unbelievable these days. Most importantly and uniquely, this cruise ship is going to be powered by LNG, liquefied natural gas. We will be the first cruise terminal in the United States that will home port and fuel ‸ a cruise ship powered by liquefied natural gas. It's a big step. Up in Jacksonville, there's cargo ships. Jacksonville, there's every UPS trucks use LNG.
I
mean, they've got it produced and stored and transferred up there. But cruise ships will be, this will be the first cruise ship powered by it, and we're working to be able to bunker them and give them the fuel. So that's a very important step. LNG is cleaner. It's cheaper. Cleaner and cheaper and made in the United States. So it's got the right things we want to do.
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There's a 2 million gallon storage tank and those trucks shipping around.
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got, we go ahead and we voted for it and signed it. The, um, Disney came to us and they said, oh, by the way, we've got two new ships coming and we need to put them somewhere and we like you guys. And we said, yes, thank you very much. We like you as well. And, um, we're going to spend, we, we okayed
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which is the middle, uh, the middle terminal there over Disney ties up.
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Plus they need more room over the ones to the left. So
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going to upgrade the terminals. And then two years from now, two brand new Disney ships will be pulling into the port, replacing the ones that are there. And Carnival is a 25 year contract. This is a 20 year contract with Disney. This is, ‸ we're moving forward. It's looking ahead. Um, between the two of them, I, I don't even want to begin to talk about the potential, uh, revenues or impacts to this region, but it is substantial. It's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. And, uh, and it, of course, it affects, affects a whole lot of people. So plus it opens up doors for other opportunities. Uh, and so there's Disney. And, uh, uh, so that, that's pretty, it's really good news for the area today. Uh, six ship day. Up there. We're having, we had another one coming. Uh, and a day like that 45,000 people will get off the ships and 45,000 will get back on them. So, uh, as you can, you can imagine all the food and fuel and supplies and all ‸ stuff that goes with it. Uh, and all the hotels and transportation, it's all,
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I'll say it again. There's no walls around that port.
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you know,
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compete for this business
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uh, you know, the community is, has, has the opportunities.
And if you don't feel that way, please let us know.
All
right.
Uh,
shifting cargo, uh, cargo, uh, is,
is
again, growing steadily. We've got a fuel farm there that provides all of the, uh, aviation fuel for the international flights at Orlando airport. It also provides all the gasoline for our county. Okay.
Uh,
a whole lot of fuel coming in and going out of there. And it actually, these days, it's actually only at half, half capacity. Um, I've lost the,
no,
I haven't. Over here, we've got,
uh,
that's an aggregate business. Those are small rocks. Those small rocks go by conveyor belt, go into a big pile, go out in a truck. The I-4 project is ‸ built
but
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that aggregate right there. That ship's been coming in for a long time. It's going to keep coming in for a long time because the I-4 is never going to be done. True.
Very true.
It's, it's a wonderful business model. Yes, it is. Job security. We have, uh, we've got containers, uh, down here. We've got, this is a, this, these are frozen warehouses. We've got a, one of the largest on the East coast, uh, frozen projects, products that come in and get distributed, uh, turned over. Automobiles come in.
We,
uh, that's a new business line for us, automobiles this year.
Uh,
or last, last, last year, really. Uh, ‸ nice, clean, easy business. And so, uh, the cargo cargo is, is good and steady. One of, one of the ones that's pretty interesting, I think my next slide has it. Uh, okay, that's, that's a picture of it. And just recently, that's an 800 foot cargo tanker that came in full of gas. And, and helps fill up the tanks there. Uh, Morton Salt. Morton Salt,
in
the last two years has doubled in size of production here. Why is that? Because we like rock salt in our food now. Okay. I'm sorry, sea salt. We like sea salt. So, they now produce sea salt there. Uh, America's great. ‸ You know,
I
mean, salt is salt, guys, to be honest.
Isn't Morton one of the oldest? They were there in
the
70s. Yes,
they've been there. But, but it's always industrial salt. Until now.
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Wow. All
right. Um, we, we have the largest, this is, this is new for us. It's the tallest, uh, mobile harbor crane in the nation. Um, we, the cranes we have are old and used. And, and we needed,
uh, some
more,
uh,
plus we needed a tall crane for a reason. Uh, I'll get to that. Uh, so we've, uh, we've invested in that. A lot of wheels, 104 wheels on that thing.
You
can take it anywhere just about as long as you don't have a roof. It's pretty tall. Uh, a little side point, uh, before I, I,
move
on here. I wanted to make a point. This is a data point for our economy. Okay. Two years ago, we were, we were bringing in 44. Let
me
get this right.
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40,000 tons. This year we're bringing in 400,000 tons of lumber. Okay. Okay. All that lumber comes off the ship. We store it wherever we can. We don't, we hardly have room for it gets trucked away is into construction
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And the next chip comes in. Uh, it's just a, an interesting data point as far as how our economy is going. Uh, I, I just took this picture today. Numbers piled trucks are lined up and it just, away it goes. Okay. Uh, a little teaser here. I'm not going to talk about the recreational side of it too much, but, uh, this, this area right over ‸ here is bound, uh, hopefully bound for, uh, an aquarium. Okay. The, uh, Brevard Zoo is interested. We've worked out in a, an acceptable leasing arrangement for us and them. And they're, uh, in a capital improvement project to get some, get some money up to be able to build the aquarium.
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Um, so as, as our
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community rallies around that, I think that's a wonderful opportunity. It's not just a tourist thing and there's environmental, I
mean,
there's a research thing. There's an educational thing and, and it's in a great location.
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that needs some help. So cross your fingers on that one.
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around for a long time, but now it's pretty exciting. Rockets take off. They land on barges. We bring them back into our port and everybody gets to look at them. Okay. And, and now they get craned off.
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It
costs a lot of money. And we said, Hey, we need, we get in the new crane. We're going to make sure it's tall enough to pick up the Falcon nine. So that's what we did.
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rockets off, which everybody saves money. Let me see. They save money. We make money. So it's all good. Um, ‸ just quick point about commercial space. If you look on there and this is, this is not really a good slide, but it's, it makes a point. Uh, right there is the Falcon nine. Over here is the new Glenn rocket. It's, it's a whole lot bigger.
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And it's all coming. I mean, it's, it's almost here. Uh, blue origin instead of landing on a barge, they're going to land on a 660 foot ship.
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So guess what? ‸ Rebuilt them a place to go. All right. Um, or they're going to go somewhere else. So, uh, that star up there is now this.
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be multi-purpose. But a sight to be seen is when a 700 foot ship comes in with a huge rocket and we have to get it off and move it somewhere.
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I want to make some points. We, we, we continue to work and, you know, it's, we're not an island. I mean, this whole anonymous, so we all know there's state money, there's federal money. Uh, we work pretty hard at that. And we've got, uh, we're going to work, we're going to work to get that 401 drawbridge raised.
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by press project. It doesn't affect cocoa, but it affects the beaches.
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working really well. We're,
uh,
pretty excited about the opportunities that's, that's provided us. I'm going to just wrap up again.
Uh,
you know, we're, we're a
port.
We're North report district. We're a, a county, but we're a central Florida region and we're really a national asset. And we look at it from all those levels and make sure that we're attending to our business with it, with a strategic way of doing it.
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And with that, I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you all and I'll take any questions. You can have anything. Thank you
‸ very much. Thank you.
Just a commissioner. Um, ‸ I think I understand the LNG, the liquid natural gas that's coming from Jacksonville, right? And no, it's not.
It will not be. So is it.
It's
like natural gas, which is compressed natural gas.
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so what we're, what shell oil is doing shell out of Jacksonville is they're building a barge. The liquefied natural gas barge. It's going to get the natural, the LNG in from Georgia. Okay. The quantities of LNG are in Georgia and in Texas, Louisiana. Okay. The state of Florida uses natural gas, produces some, but we're still getting into that. Now down the road, we're hoping, we're hoping to be able to produce it.
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pipeline.
Yeah. That
is,
that would have nothing to do with this. Okay. It's here. So that's. If, if, if we ever were to produce natural gas here, the pipeline would come in through the
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that's down the road. Right now it's going to be
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‸ Thank you. My pleasure.
Thank you, sir. Thank you. Enjoy it. Great job.
Thank
you.
If I can get this off, I'll be all set. Okay. I can't.
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We're
going
to move into our, our delegations here. Up first, we got Kathy. I can't even pronounce your last name. I'll just call you Kathy. You can state your name and address and we're
just.
Hold on.
I've got to end his
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Kathy's with our, she's with our sister city program.
Okay. Hello.
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Mayor. Council members.
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With a little update.
Um,
as you know, the sister city program.
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Our program has been building relationships based on culture, art, education, business, and travel exchanges, creating lifelong ‸ friendships that provide prosperity and peace through citizen diplomacy. So we're about building relationships. That's the main thing that we are. So, um, this was one, uh, well, actually quite a few relationships. I built, I'm not sure what the year is. You'll see, uh, in there, mayor Williams, you're in that picture. Um, back when mayor Blake was the mayor and those were that, that was the mayor and the
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Coco. All right. So talking about building relationships in 2008, we sent this man, um, Mayor Blake over to Israel. And this is his infamous on the camel photo, um, that he will never be able to live down. And, but that wasn't all he did when he was in Israel. He did something else that was kind of interesting that started a long term relationship for us.
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1,250 students. And he was on a work project there and they worked in the library. They built, um,
some,
did some beautifying things, built some gardens, uh, for the, the children were going to, children, the students were going to use later. We started a pretty great relationship with that high school. The
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Now, fast forward, uh, 10 years.
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principal block. Her goal was to know every student by name. She stood at the front door, greeted them by name in the morning. Pretty great. Okay. Fast forward 10 years.
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Guess who becomes mayor?
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all those people she greeted, they all became voters and, um, that was pretty smart on her part. So, um, so she is now our, our, our counterpart or your counterpart,
um,
mayor Williams. So there's her size. We were talking about size, right? For t-shirts. She's not a very big woman. Okay. Um, so anyway, uh, we had a representative lat, uh,
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And, uh, she did bring gifts and you have
this
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one of those gifts right there, right?
Uh,
mayor, uh, she brought a, um, it was a picture that shows all of the current
archaeological
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digs
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It is mentioned in the Bible. Um, it has, um,
uh,
lots of digs, including one of the biggest ones in the state of Israel right now, dating back to the time of King Hezekiah. So that's happening in our, um, sister city. So that's our gift from our sister city, from mayor block to our mayor. We also gave gifts back,
uh,
‸ memory book of pictures of things we've been doing. What I'd like to do now is just read from the letter that was addressed to mayor Blake.
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I'd like to introduce myself and make your acquaintance over the past 15 years. There's been a warm relationship between residents of our two communities. Our cities have enjoyed welcoming and hosting groups of high school students and adults for mutual visits, tours, and cruises. During my service as director of the largest high school in the city, I welcome groups from the cocoa area,
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One of your predecessors, mayor Mike Blake also enjoyed a week with us touring and visiting People from your community and from
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to support educational projects in our elementary and secondary schools. And we hope
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we'll be able to send a delegation of grade 10 and 11 high school students to participate with their peers from the space coast
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Space Camp. We consider these projects a means to break down barriers and prejudices and to bring people together from different cultural backgrounds. It's important for us to continue these joint projects. I sincerely hope you'll be able
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And
look, I will be honored to welcome you and show you your accomplishments of our communities working together. So that's an open invitation to all of you, I think. So, you have the original letter to that? Yes, ma'am. And we just wanted to update all of Council and everybody at City that this is an ongoing, thriving relationship that we've got between the two cities with exciting projects coming up. And I'll be back in a month to tell you about this next project coming up and ‸ then in another month for other exciting things.
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close this out for you. Oh, he took it off. Okay.
Thanks.
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Good evening and thank you for allowing me to speak. Tonight there will be further consideration to the promenade redesign. I am not here to tell you what I would like, but rather to stress that we do have a waterfront master plan that reflected the elements most desired by the majority of citizens. These were gleaned from the three workshops, numerous meetings with staff, and many emails to the city. This was a plan of many and not one individual.
The
plan should be flexible as unforeseen obstacles may occur. However, the spirit of the plan should be kept intact. Elements should be resilient, sustainable, and be made with the best materials that can be afforded. The process of executing the plan seems to be what is the underlying issue. One element that was supported by the residents was to have a waterfront advisory committee. This would be designed to solicit, consolidate, and
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This would allow those that serve to consult in those areas of expertise that will be needed as we progress.
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to oversee the waterfront
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accessible, viable, environmental, and sustainable. Over 200 residents supported this idea, signed the petition, which was presented to Council and the CRA. In my opinion, this would be utilizing assets within our community and would result in a better product that is supported by the residents. There is also concern that placing the Civic Center at Lee Winter Park would be unsuitable due to the rising waters. This is a valid point and should be taken under consideration. Since the proposed center is the same design ‸ as in New Smyrna Beach and occupies a very similar site,
I
reached out to the city manager that referred ‸ me to the capital expense manager. We had a very informative ‸ and productive conversation. What I would like to address is the issue of flooding.
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flood zone AE, which required a minimum flood floor elevation of seven feet. The building was designed to be two feet greater than this requirement and was built with a finished floor elevation of nine feet. Parking was discussed as they too have many events and heavily used park activities. By code, their building only required to provide 59 parking spaces. The decision was made to keep the existing number of parking spaces, 70 plus, above the requirement, including an additional handicapped space since this location
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multiple purposes. It would seem that our 124 plus or minus spaces for public parking and 23 trailer boat spaces, plus or minus, may be adequate. If the feasibility and geophysical tests indicate that Lee Winter Park site is suitable, please take this additional information under consideration when thinking about moving the civic center out of its proposed site.
Thank you,
ma'am.
Thank you.
Thank
you.
Next up, we have Mr. Bob Harvey.
Good evening, Bob Harvey, [address], Cocoa. Thank you.
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and I'm here to respond to that letter and address any concerns you may have. What I'm handed to the clerk is our response to that specific letter against
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that you received, and
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has lived in
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acres since her home was built in 1953. first a few points about back rap
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a 501c3 non-profit whose purpose is to revitalize the
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Acres community in the city of Cocoa. For those
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neighborhood in the heart of
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by the city itself for increased support. It is a historic
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to revitalize and restore
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removal of absentee landlords and repairing or tearing down abandoned buildings before helping would-be owners find mortgage funding to buy their own homes. In the near future, we will break ground on our first new construction home. ‸ hasn't been done in 75 years. Our goal is to change
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Acres from primarily run down rental properties with absentee landlords to a neighborhood of owner occupied housing where neighbors feel more comfortable interacting with each other. One example of our success is a Hispanic family of four who were paying
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a month for rent, but now own their own home for a mortgage payment of only
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per month. Another example is an African-American single father of five who, rather than paying
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a month in rent, now owns the very same house for a mortgage payment of just
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a month. back rap has never received any money from the City of Cocoa. In fact,
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they were spending to clean up abandoned properties.
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from the City of Cocoa. We follow the rules just like homeowners and other citizens. back rap operates primarily in donations and sweat by board members and volunteers, and our Executive Director, Mr. Larry Sinclair, who is not paid, has never taken money from back rap and in fact has donated considerable time and funds of his own
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community, many people talk a good game and say they'll help, but sadly, few of them actually step up to help. Our members and supporters are stepping up, and
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dealing hangouts to owner occupied housing. We installed security cameras, automatic sensor lighting, and work with the City of Cocoa Police to dramatically reduce crime. We've also worked with the American Red Cross to install more than 100 smoke alarms and supported neighborhood community Thanksgiving dinners and annual Christmas gift giving to neighborhood children. Finally, in the last 12 months, we helped prepare install 23 new roofs on different homes. Why someone would want to disparage a non-profit charity that is a documented record of doing good things for our neighbors right here in our own city is beyond me. Nonetheless, I'm here to offer my time to address any concerns you have as the chairman of the board. It's my hope that you will consider the source when receiving such letters and will come directly to us to seek our side of this story. Again, I'll make myself available at your convenience anytime you'd like if you'd like to discuss
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Thank you.
All right. Thank you.
Thanks, Bob. Okay.
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I guess we're having more cards for delegation, so we're gonna uh move on to our consent agenda. ‸ Motion to approve the consent agenda is written. We ‸ get a motion to approve our consent agenda from Councilman
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Second. Second from Councilman
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Opposed? It passes unanimously. Okay. We're going on to our public hearings. um ‸ mr City Attorney?
uh Community Service Director on on this. Okay. Thank you. It's about the CDBG and Home Action Plan.
Okay. So you don't have to read this one ‸ Okay. I got you.
I hope
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mayor
I just want to announce that the city received 177 490
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are our federal funds that come from the u.s department of housing and urban development i just want to quickly go over the um the
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Army,
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Repayment of the Section
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the u.s department of housing ‸ Urban Development that we did receive the Section 108 loan
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For the home program our housing assistance program is
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council hold the second and final public hearing to approve the city of
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FY 2019 2020 CDBG and Home action plan authorized submission of the plan to the u.s department of housing urban development and authorize the mayor to sign all subsequent certifications and agreements. Thank
you ma'am. At this time I'm going to close it to the council and open to the public because this is a public hearing so if there's any comments from the public this is your time. seeing
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I'm going to close it to the public, reopen it to the council. What is the wishes of the council?
Motion to approve.
We get a motion from ‸ councilwoman
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Second. Second from Deputy Mayor Warner. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? It passes unanimously. unanimously Item number two. Mayor,
this is asking that council approve the fourth modification to the
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binding development agreement between the city of
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and dr Horton,
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the city manager to execute the same provided that a revised performance bond and a form approved by the city attorney is first received. Based on some of the discussions with dr Horton, they and the residents in the phase
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they believe that the residents would prefer certain amenities over the ones that were proposed in the past. So, mostly it's going to be fishing lakes and tracks FG and E in phase
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and phase
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track D. We're going to add an observation deck to track E phase
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and then in phase
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tracked M a larger
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lot a larger covered pavilion bike racks grills and trash receptacles. Staff is asking that you approve the fourth modification to the great binding development
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this
time I'm going to close it to the council and open it up to the public for public comments. This is a public hearing. Anyone have any questions or any concerns? Come forward. This is your opportunity. At this time I'm going
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Motion to
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was really just a little confused what's changing because on these, uh the tables that you have here, is what we have in brown, is that what's changing? So they're
uh correct. When we originally started working on the fourth modification, we also went into Phase 1C, but
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and so we'll be coming back for a fifth modification. This initially occurred because there's a boardwalk, a proposed boardwalk in the wetlands, and the cost of that is very expensive for dr Horton, and they, in talking with the HOA, they they have thought that it would be better for them ‸ to provide different amenities, but for right now
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overall is the, is uh for the overall PUD, which would include all phases. So they'll, they're going to come back and
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because that's, they kind of like overlap some of these amenities between the phases, they're going to like right in
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middle and overlap. okay
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sir any more comments yeah well it's a representative for dr horton here as well
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do you have any any questions
okay okay
well we got a motion from um councilman bovair a second from um councilwoman cost all in favor signify by saying aye aye Aye. Opposed? It passes unanimously. Okay. We're moving on to item number three. ‸ this is
staff asking for approval of a large-scale site plan consistent with
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along with associated parking and stormwater retention at the site, commonly
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has a short presentation for you.
Technology
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up with me. There it goes.
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applicant requesting approval of this large-scale site plan. um It's in your exhibit A in your site, in your agendas.
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known as the
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we're intending to build a community center with parking and detention on the northern parcel of ‸ property, where the current basketball or baseball field is located. Generally, the property for anyone who isn't familiar with it, it's the southwest corner of Stone Street in Washington. There's an aerial currently the property has
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pool and outside basketball court in the middle, and existing community center at the south side. this screen shows you the the five parcels involved. At this magnification, that the parking appears completely black. i have The next side zooms in further, but I want to show you all of the properties involved. so this is the proposed building. It's on an angle facing the corner. there would be retention up here right at the corner, an entrance off of Stone Street that is a one-way drop-off pickup area exiting onto Washington. There's handicap parking out in front here. This is a covered entry exit area for the building. There's a bicycle parking kind of on corners, sidewalks that connect with the rest of the site. Additional there's retention here, here, and across the parking area. ‸ As you can see, there's an entrance off of Stone Street with trash receptacle,
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And then moving down to the south side, that parking extends down with additional, and it ties in to the existing parking down here to the south. Existing pool, basketball court, existing community center. And this, which is existing parking, is the proposed playground area ‸ of relocation eric the building for anybody that wasn't kind of already aware. The largest room, obviously, is the gym with bleachers. There's offices. The entrances is here in this side. There's a multi-purpose room with a kitchen off of that and restrooms, general building ‸ maintenance facilities, offices for the
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and then another multi-purpose room on the other side of the entry. So, in consistency with our code, all site plans must meet
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reviewed the site plan, determined that there were some criteria related to ‸ code that have not been completely satisfied.
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all of the site plan. so staff is recommending these inconsistencies with the code be satisfied as a condition of final approval with, as I said, the exception of parking.
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of those spaces but add back in 49, which is an increase of 25 spaces. So we would have, instead of 47 parking spaces on the site, we would go up to 75.
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The code requires a community center to provide one space for every 300 square feet of gross floor area. but the swimming pool, ‸ requirement is one space for every 40 square feet of swimming pool surface area. And there is no requirement listed for outdoor basketball courts. So when we add in the new building to the existing site uses, we have 52 spaces for this new building, 11 for the existing, 80 for the pool, for a total of 143 required by code. uh ‸ staff's belief that the number of spaces required for the pool is perhaps a little non-realistic, and that itemizing the uses in that fashion is also probably not a practical method of calculating. uh Visitors to the site are most likely going to use more than one facility before they, you know, depart. So somebody that drives to go to the, um an event maybe at the center would also perhaps go on to use the basketball court or the playground. In addition, because the community center is located in the midst of a residential neighborhood, many of those users will come to the site on foot or by bicycle.
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which provides a standard for a recreational community center. It's defined as a standalone building incorporating, as you ‸ see, a number of different but related uses. The standard for this is three spaces for every
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square feet of gross floor area, which gives a revised total required of only 85 spaces.
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The studies used, used buildings that are about twice the size of our community center. And
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more auto dependent locations than what we have. So
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to council to approve a waiver in conjunction with this site plan of the required parking spaces from the 143 required by code to 75 provided by the site plan is being both more realistic of the number of spaces needed as well as
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Review of concurrency management found that there's adequate facilities. The consistency with the comprehensive plan housing element has a policy related to providing recreation spaces and the recreation and open space element has one objective and two policies related. The proposed site plan was heard at the May 1st, 2019 Planning and Zoning Board meeting. The Planning and Zoning Board recommended approval with conditions and suggestions for consideration by the council. The motion is approval of the site plan for the Dr. joe lee Smith Community Center as depicted on exhibit a with following conditions recommended by staff and consideration of the parking alternatives that follow as suggested by the Planning and Zoning Board. The planning. ‸ Criteria was a change of the reference from small-scale site plan to large-scale cycling. in your agenda you have a number of
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the parking alternatives were three of them were mentioned at the meeting potentially removing facilities specifically the outdoor basketball court considering the altering the flow of traffic on barbara jenkins and stone streets or potentially washington avenue in order to provide on street parking and potentially acquiring adjacent vacant lots
What's
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alternative to what? You're saying if we have to approve the going to the 140 parking spaces, that would be
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Dublin
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required ‸ we're providing 75 you can as a council wave parking requirements that's uh you know part of council's uh options the board wanted i hate to speak for them but the board was essentially saying they would like you to consider if you haven't already some other alternatives and these were the ones that they talked about in the meeting um
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of those if not all but i'm i don't want to speak to all our departments.
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members of council, um you know, the
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at the
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Butler Community Center and then scaled it down to a neighborhood center. And I'm sitting here looking at Walter Butler and you clearly have to drive to get to Walter Butler and
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the fact that the ITE doesn't really recognize a
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community center where you have a lot of pedestrian activity versus, I mean, that's what we want to encourage people to walk and to ride their bike and participate in outdoor activities. So I don't think, uh I think it's a reasonable uh accommodation and recognition of the the the type of center and the uses and activities contemplated. uh So I would just add that,
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you know, if there's any wondering why small scale, large scale. Essentially, under if this pro if this was not city involving city property and this was a private entity developing this property. uh ‸ and it was private property. It would not require the P and Z or council approval. It's because of the fact that it involves city property. There's ‸ provision put ‸ the code many years ago that if you develop ‸ development related to city property, it must be considered go through that planning and zoning board recommendation and then come to city council. And that goes back to around the same time
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was developed. So that's it's the only reason why, because it essentially is a small scale based on the square footage, but it just follows the large scale process.
And if there's ever a need for additional parking, I know that we have some vacant lots over there. I don't know they'll be available then but, but, you know, it's something that we could maybe look into. But yeah, let's see where you're going. But anyway, I'm
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I got a question. Previously at another CDBG, we
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And over here, we're talking about removing facilities outdoor basketball and all that. What's the 65 000 for if we're going to be doing it over here?
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know
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one?
The CDBG funds were using current funds,
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have to be for sticks and bricks. So the CDBG funds would actually be for the construction. Yeah,
but this is going to happen
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it with the construction of the new place, right?
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Yes. Okay, I got it. Thank
you. it is ‸ the 75, is that um added to the existing parking
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that we have with just 75 total? That
was 75, well, there's 49 now. Right. And then with the redesign, the total site will have 75. Can
you go back to that parking um area?
‸ Go back one more
they show
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the whole overall site. There. So the additional parking is obviously, ‸ because of the shaded area, shows up darker, but you see the existing parking being retained.
Yeah, there were maybe six or so parking spaces up here originally. There's about 23 across here, and I think there's something close to 18 down here. um We're adding all of this, and we would lose this and the few that were up here. And there's four parking spaces over here being added.
And all that's handicap up top anyway. Yeah,
there's four handicap here and two more over here. So there's a total of six. And then actually there's one
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a few. yeah
I'll wait. Okay, at this time I'm going
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it is open for uh public comment. If anyone's like to come in and come up and uh just fill out a card afterward.
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My name is George L. Brown, Jr. I live at [address]
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And one of my main concerns ‸ that if they do anything there, it does not change any of my zoning. That would
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just hoping that it doesn't happen. And my other question was, are we going away with the ballpark and all? The baseball field itself? yeah Yeah. It'll be gone. It'll all be gone. The baseball field itself, yes. Well, that's that's the actual park. They play football and baseball and everything. That'll all be gone. ‸ No, this. No,
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about problems. Yeah,
‸ the building is placed in the corner where the baseball field, basically where home base is. Imagine that going into the ‸ whole area is gone.
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So we're going to lose a nice ballpark. Yes.
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It is really, it's like Yankee Stadium. It's beautiful. But it's not used that much. It's too bad.
Yeah. ‸ but you're gonna you're
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have the outside courts and you're also gonna ‸ the pool is gonna ‸ still be there. um so It's too
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bad they didn't purchase some of the property across the street, get rid of some of that stuff, and put the center over there and kept a ballpark. ‸ But that ain't gonna ‸ happen. I know there's a lot of money involved. wait
Well, just ‸ the council's aware, Mr. Brown, we actually attempted to acquire additional lands that were not, that are contiguous to this and offer to exchange properties with a property owner, but they were not willing to do that.
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No dice.
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That doesn't make any sense.
that's
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yeah
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This use uh based on a former amendment to the uh to the zoning code is ‸ an approved use and it will not affect your property. There is an existing recreational use there now and it doesn't affect the use of your property. So, this has no bearing or no impact on that. If anything, it probably will bring value to your property in terms of having a community center and having
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wanted to put in a racetrack
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on my property. I
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‸ Just kidding. Just kidding. I'll be there.
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but uh okay, I guess that's my main concern and the other thing is, please continue to go on with our beautiful hotel plans in the downtown area. ‸ I would love to see that. Thank you, george Thank you,
um Next
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And I'm a little concerned about the uh multi-purpose rooms. If there is a special function uh going on, uh depending on the occupancy, of those spaces, uh they could eat up most of the parking and then leave none for people who might want to come and avail themselves of other other things. uh Do we know what the occupancy of those two spaces is? it's assembly Well,
and it's contemplated to be kind of a, you know, youth and senior programming for activities. uh So you you envision the senior program activities occurring during the day. And some of the youth activities occurring in the, you know, after school. uh So
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we don't envision that to be a uh an issue. We're trying to accommodate the use of both. So
you won't, you won't have an assembly
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Somebody ‸ somebody
could,
you know.
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be about six square feet per person. Do you know what the square footage of either of those spaces is?
Not the individual rooms. I have the buildings a whole. but
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two rooms, which could very easily be 50 cars. So that, that's my only concern is that if one of those, even one of them is on, they would be using most of the parking if it were an assembly occupancy situation where they had chairs and a speaker or show of some kind or that sort of thing. So I, I think you ought to proceed with caution on this parking. I think it's, it's going to be over stressed at times.
Thank you.
Thank you, sir.
Anyone else like to speak on this item? Yes, ma'am. and
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afterwards if you don't mind? We can state your name and address and then
‸ Good evening, mayor.
Good evening.
councilman's
How you doing? My
name is Stephanie carter gallon
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wash and the mechanic shop there. I'm concerned about the utilization of the building, number one. And my second concern is
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And we have a pool. That's my concern. I'm thinking if we utilize the building that we put, um because to me the activities,
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after school activities, that don't seem to work in the
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it. I think if we put something in there like um
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where people can utilize it to go pay to go and get help. Community Action Team can be placed in there.
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have? any kind of something that helps the community that draw the older people there, the younger people there that need help. I think that's what that's
‸ All the offices on the left side, that is designed. We worked with the Community Action Team and that is designed for their purpose to occupy and provide services to the residents.
Okay. Just one services though? Just account Well,
the Community Action Team is kind of, a
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I'm familiar
with
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I'm familiar, but I think you it could be utilized with multiple services out of there. yeah of
course yeah right
all of All of the services
that the Action Team provide will be, they will be relocating there. So that's why there's eight offices, but they actually had asked us to partner because they can also utilize that multi-purpose room. They need were very short on space and so they could help hold classes and different things in that multi-purpose room. Also, uh with the the county's uh parks and recreation, they'll be holding like summer uh summer camp and
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will
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also be able to, but but other non-profits will be able to rent out and utilize the multi-purpose room. You'll also, with the full kitchen,
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my second concern was the three con retention ponds. I'm concerned ‸ Do you
want to respond to that? yes i think
three is a little too much.
well
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they're dry retention areas. uh
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If we had eliminated those, we would have had to get more areas somewhere else for stormwater retention, and we're already short for parking. We've required the the one parcel just on the uh west side for additional stormwater retention. So they're not ponds, they're not going to be wet, except right after a storm, they will have you know six inches or so of water and then you know it'll soak in and there won't be ‸ standing water there.
oh okay. They're
not
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like... So
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retain our stormwater runoff.
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in the same location. basketball
court, playground, and
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oh okay.
‸ Yeah. they uh So the
playground is
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going to move down down in here. This is the parking area right next to the existing community center.
‸ So
the playground would be relocated right here. So the pool stays, the outside basketball, ‸ existing, ‸ those are all staying, and then this becomes a
background i'm I'm kind of piggybacking on Mr. Brown there. I like the playground better than a basketball. Thank you.
Okay.
Thank you,
ma'am. Any ‸ others? Did... um I had a question about the... um
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for any additional comments. The question
I had was
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Did the county um step up and um i guess allocate that money for that extra square footage that that we needed for the building?
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that was a conversation at one time.
Similar to what you just approved earlier,
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versus they were out of time to do a substantial amendment because in order to move on to the next year, we have to close in our federal system. So they didn't have the time to do that. But they have committed to funding 175 000 in October 1st.
Deputy Mayor Warner.
Yeah, just a
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unless it was for, like, a District
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meeting or some meeting, that the city was doing, the parking is not usually heavily utilized because everybody seems to be coming from the neighborhood, especially the kids, and it's usually full of kids. And I know we're we're trying to make some amenities for seniors now, but I know a lot of those seniors also don't drive. So have we done any studies about the current parking situation there? I mean, is it other than when we have an event over there, a big event, is it a problem now? Do we know? Or the chief?
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not aware of any issues that we currently ‸ have? ‸ Okay.
Do we know if there's is or will be a bus stop right there, close by? I'm
given
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understand ‸ there is one already on 520, so the next street up. Okay, so just a block yeah
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longer drive, and if they're going to be using public transportation, and some of the kids I'm sure would use public ‸ transportation to get there, that kind of gives me a little less heartburn about the parking. So... Okay.
And that also is the requirement of the action team. They needed to be within a certain distance of a bus stop.
Do we know how much parking they're going to utilize for their staff? Are they
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Eight. Okay. All right. Thank you.
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smith Center didn't have a parking issue because it was already old and antiquated. So a lot of a lot of AAU of
the new
basketball tournaments and other things like that may turn, you know, and say we can't use it because it's just it's just too small. But I just know uh with this new building,
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places. um So i'm i mean I'm questioning that, um the parking issue. I don't think it should be a major problem, but I know eventually what's going to happen. If it if it does ever fill up, you're going to have people parking on the side of the road. Well,
you know, Mr.
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we have um Mr. Brown who has that whole block right there next to the
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Center.
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property and charging a fee, probably. I mean, if that was my lot, I would probably do that. right right I
mean, i I like what we have. I think that we we have um with additional parking spots, I think that's adequate for now. But I think I know that if we need to look at additional properties, there's some available land there to do that. But I think we need to move on this. This has been like a lot of
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projects. It's just kind of dragging along. And I know that a lot of folks are ready to move on this. And like I said, if we have a parking issue, we can look for some additional parking. there
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street parking over there, is there?
Yeah. Yes. On
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Stone where there's a pedestrian, a bike pet lane. I would add to, for council, and I think the chief can
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in the
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we transport the kids to the various tournaments. So you're not really, you know, it's not every kid ish parent showing up and, you know, we're taking the kids to the tournaments when we're going down to Palm Bay or
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They
do the same when they come here?
‸ correct.
Okay.
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additional parking, of the action? What has changed the cost of construction? For ministry? Is that is that contract already locked in for 75 or 140? Is ‸ already done for 75 right now?
Yes. The GMP right now is based on this plan, the guaranteed maximum price. So, you know, but parking somewhere else would be an extra cost. Yeah. That's not in the budget right now.
Okay.
‸ What's the total budget for it,
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to 4.6 million ‸ i
just didn't want to take away anything else that we have there right now Yeah. Like I said, there's additional land there. If we need to acquire some for whatever reason, then.
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would love that.
Yes, he would.
But anyway, what is the wishes of the council?
Motion to approve. We
got a motion from Deputy Mayor Warner.
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saying aye. Aye. Opposed? It passes unanimously. Thank you all. And now we're going to move on to council business. uh First item up is provide city manager ‸ city attorney directions on the Waterfront Advisory Committee.
Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of council, actually,
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uh in terms of the request for the genesis genesis for the uh for the Waterfront Advisory Committee. uh They actually, uh the the residency appeared before the council back in July. At that time, there was no directive as the CRA was in the middle of uh of updating their plan. They had received direction for to update their plan in June related to the Waterfront Master Plan and the other, and then the update. uh So then in November, uh Mr. Green appeared before the CRA and they
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Actually,
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And then on March 13th, the CRA voted in favor of creating a Waterfront Advisory Committee. uh So we've worked the attorney plus staff has continued to continue
to look
at it. And there's really a couple issues that we need to get some uh guidance and direction from council with regard to the you know essentially the, I guess, you know, the scope. uh the The frequency of meetings board compositions. um The direction in terms of participation and involvement. And then uh so I can go over specifically one scope. uh Essentially, you know, when we met with Mr. Green also, you know,
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Is ‸ so ‸ the committee would be tasked with reviewing projects related to the waterfront and recreational amenities activities and opportunities uh envision you know the committee uh being involved in the uh earlier in the planning and design process. uh Both based on public input and then in presentations and or uh by the consultants to staff and the committee
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formulating a recommendation to the the COCO CRA. And we also would say that the city, you know, I know a couple weeks ago we had a stormwater workshop uh on somewhere master plan and there are projects proposed that would impact the waterfront and recreational opportunities and amenities. So we would suggest that they would be involved and engaged in any city or
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CRA plan or project uh involving or ‸ that could impact the waterfront.
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CRA and or the City Council. Because they would be subject to the Sunshine Laws as good as making those formal recommendations. uh The meetings, they could be done in Mr. Green, I think uh uh I attached my note I know you received them as well,
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his notes to our our meeting. uh It could be quarterly and then schedule as needed special meetings, you know, based on projects that are, you know, scheduled to be implemented. And reviewing, you know, those as if to say like if plans come up and
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And we've had a public workshop, the consultant submits plans to staff for review.
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advisory committee. And they could, you know, receive that input and then provide, you know, their uh feedback. And and so we can kind of get down to where they are providing a formal recommendation to either
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this the CRA or City Council. uh In terms of the composition, uh and this is, you know, we put a a recommendation here and it's just a recommendation and suggestion uh for discussion and direction. uh Potentially uh seven members, um you know, five being appointed by City Council, whether it be by individual council appointees uh
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committee. uh the community police community relations advisory
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a since you are. uh this committee would be making a formal recommendation. We think the CRA should have some, you know, kind of skin in
the
game appointing members. And the reason why we say there should be, I mean, kind of both bodies you know appointing is because I think it was a statement made and I think it's very apropos and we, I think we repeated a lot that historic Cocoa Village is just not Cocoa Village, you know, we're residents and our businesses. It's the downtown for the entire city. It's every, it's the every resident in the city, you know, claims Cocoa Village as their downtown. It's where all the ‸ our major civic ‸ and, uh commercial institutions are and so it's been cultural. So it just want to point that out. It's something that was raised and we think it's a valid point. uh In terms of eligibility by for board members, we think
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they should kind of generally meet similar CRA board member requirements. um ‸ especially in light of pending legislation that might be you know signed into law by the governor. uh If they're making a recommendation. uh Again, um
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I think we need to talk about the involvement of the members. You know, and I think it merits a discussion. When you're a committee member, how do you participate in the public workshops that maybe are, you know, held for projects and then subsequently, purchase you know, put on your committee hat. Because
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there's something to Sunshine Law or whatever, ‸ you know, committee board, whatever they might be, is that we would think like you all do when you attend a public workshop, you kind of refrain at that point in time. uh And you participate, you listen, you hear what's happening and then you bring that back with you. And that's what we think they should be, you know, your guidance would be to them as well. Versus uh because uh it'd be very difficult for somebody to take off their hat, you know, in the public workshop or in the and then to come into the committee meeting. It's like we kind of want to again they're making a formal recommendation to either the CRA or the council. So with that, we're just seeking uh the city attorney myself for staff direction, you know, in terms of creating a resolution uh for the purposes of creating
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i agree with the city manager over the uh participating in workshops and then going back as a formal committee i think it kind of i think as long as they get really good instruction and have really good guidelines it can work really well i like the idea of
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um because even though this body
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is the um
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of that body who ‸ should also get a say in and who's on this advisory committee since they are also going to be advising the um the downtown rda so i think we have a lot of good knowledge in this community especially about waterfronts and and construction and a lot of people that are involved in the uh the downtown, a lot of people who use the waterfront on a daily basis. And if we need a committee to give them a voice and an opportunity, I have no objection to that.
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Would you all like to hear from the the two individuals that submitted cards first and then we can kind of go from there? And then I'll
give
you the opportunity to come back if you want to. And uh first we have uh
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And then I i think Linda
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oh okay okay okay. I'm at Green 104
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you for the opportunity here to talk about this. uh
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and where we are. uh I think from what I'm hearing that this is getting a little bit more complicated than we really need it to be. uh To Deputy Mayor Warner's comments about the expertise and so forth that we have in the community. uh And specific waterfront uh knowledge based skill sets and all that sort of thing. uh
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have that specific uh kind of expertise in many cases. So what we're really proposing is not so much a deliberative body or a board that is decision making or making formal recommendations. I think what more we're looking for is a group of people with the expertise that's required that is absent from staff. ‸ That could augment staff and work side by side with staff when something comes up, for instance, you know yourself that when you see something that's fairly technical but you don't have a lot of background. You look at it and you hear the presentation and you don't even know what questions to ask to get you to where you need to go.
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know what questions to ask and help to ask the questions and help to be an intermediary between staff and uh public staff and people who are proposing to do something. Staff and consultants, whatever, and help guide a productive discussion, uh help develop a good plan and let staff based on that information be the ones to make the recommendations of this committee council, whatever you want to call it
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making decisions theoretically would be outside of the scope of the sunshine law and the benefit to the city is that that allows this kind of activity to be nimble to be called in on short notice to say we have a meeting coming up next Tuesday to discuss this that or the other thing and what members can you provide that have that expertise that can help us sort through that sit in with staff let staff hear it let staff make the decisions let staff make the recommendations to
counsel let counsel
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go and move forward so I think we're making it more complicated than we really need to. uh We're not looking for this to be burdensome on city staff we're looking for it to be a way to leverage what's in the community to be help to be a resource and uh I think that there's a way to structure that
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who's advocating this to have further meetings uh with
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or anybody else that you deem important to work out some of these details and to do it sooner rather than later because you know the last time we talked was January and here we are in May so. uh If I would ask uh council to give direction the direction I would ask is to uh let's get together and work on this so that we can come up with a quicker resolution. Thank you.
Thank you.
Okay. So
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‸ So you're you are
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reading this correctly that would obviate the need to uh apply sunshine law restrictions. uh ‸ because the The staff would then be able to. uh Well this council this this group would then be able to curate what we're hearing from public. uh You know gather information filter information curate information put it in terms of something that the. uh experts in whatever particular field uh you know if we're talking about something that has to do with. uh
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for instance and
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and that would mean that the council that the staff wouldn't have to go out and find research the research would be there. The resource would be there if we're talking about what's the best way for boaters to access and use a
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We would have boaters who could tell you this is how we do it, this is what we need, this works for us and that doesn't.
So basically you're saying
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because coming to council would involve sunshine issues. and uh So basically you take that expertise, you sit down with the staff, you guys would talk about it. and then
Yeah, i I ‸ just want to be cautious, you know, is, you know, many times when we're designing these projects, you ‸ like take the promenade or something to the effect, you know, uh that engineer is signing and sealing those documents or they're making a professional recommendation. So we just got to be, I don't want to, we're not going to be supplanting, or it would be augmenting the existing process that we have in terms of that has worked well. I mean, I could go over the the timeline, I mean, i I know there's some of this is born out of
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and my apologies, but
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city or the CRA moving in a rapid fashion, you know,
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Irma. I mean, it happened in September of 2017. uh In November, we, after spending a month or so, six weeks of working on recovery, got together and said, we're
getting
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the waterfront, you know, we engaged ISS. uh We also brought, uh worked on bringing in uh water for our consultant to kind of reimagine, revisit the waterfront and
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there's public workshops held uh two between January and February. Then there was a general workshop for uh presentation before the the CRA by the consultant uh at the April 2018 meeting and staff from that point began meeting with Army Corps of Engineers.
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that plan that uh in terms of the damage to the waterfront, uh really to the shoreline,
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slips, the promenade, uh as well, since the CRA already had projects contemplated and were in permitting, you know, or at least for in design. uh So, then April and June staffs meeting and in June also the
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CRA then approved the actual water for master plan update and directed staff because keep in mind some of the projects that were contemplated in that we're not in the prior CRA plan. So, until a project is actually ‸ a c-ra plan, you know, ‸ capital project, you cannot expend funds on that. So, we had to wait for that process to catch up and
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took longer than we anticipated uh because we didn't use the consultants. We did staff, a lot of that. And uh and that I think we adopted that in October, the the second meeting in October. And then uh early November, we held the first public workshop on the promenade. We already had, it well, actually, it was promenade, T-Docs, and the day slips, and of which the promenade generated most of the discussion. I did not attend, but I know Matt and other staff did, uh you know, in my absence. So, i I just want to,
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but I think the comments that were made at the CRA meeting by members, that making sure that it's representative of the entire city, recognize that the historical village in the waterfront doesn't just belong to the, those that, about the waterfront and or live in or uh reside or do business in Cocoa Village, but in the entire city. That would just be one of the things ‸ I think we should make sure that we're accommodating. And we can,
you're talking, this group ‸ be self-appointed.
That's, that's, that would be a concern. And then the other, I guess,
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going back to that, you, I get that there's expertise out there, but we just, you know, when you're submitting documents, you know, we have, you know, it's like, when you're submitting plans and or
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know,
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I mean,
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in their respective areas. And uh it just, uh but yes, I don't disagree. There are times like we had to bring in somebody for the hotel to help us frame the issue related to the hotel and the discussion on height and the perception or the reality versus perception and then have that community discussion. What is appropriate? What's not appropriate? And it resulted in something I think that was different than others thought.
I have a question, Mr. Mayor. What I'm hearing Mr. Green say and what I'm hearing, maybe Mrs. Cost has a better understanding when she served on that board and
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I mean, ‸ the utilities advisory board deals mainly with staff. I don't ever remember the utilities advisory board coming in here in front of the council and giving. I mean, any recommendation they have always comes through staff, but they deal with staff. So what I'm hearing is yet
they're not able to develop their ideas because they live under sunshine. So yeah,
but but because they do make recommendations to the council as they're as they're written as their rules are written. But if this was a group that was going to deal with staff like the utilities advisory board does, but they're not making
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the staff level, and
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Law?
that I ‸ just ‸ question, I think the attorney and needs to probably will get to me. Again, I think the very meritorious, ‸ because yes, I mean,
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a kayak
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so I kind of, oh yeah, there are some things like, you know, I know what I would like, and there's other people that bring other expertise to the table that maybe the the end users, and maybe all of staff doesn't have all those, and I think that's kind of where he's going when you go back and you look at, you know, boaters, recreational users, merchants,
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and safety entities such as, you know, water safety, public safety. We've had several people come in ‸ that reside in our community that bring that that expertise as well.
I'm just thinking if
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that component of being a body recommending to council and just left it at the staff level, we can still follow the same rules like we do with Utilities Advisory and make appointments and all that stuff, but just the staff would never come to us and say this is what this board recommends
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everything would be filtered through the staff and it would actually be the staff's recommendations that we would hear after the staff dealt with this group in this committee. I just, I understand their concern having sat on boards and committees that, you know, following the law and it doesn't give you an opportunity to call your neighbor and go, Hey, I just thought of this. What do you think? And and have that interaction. I, a lot of times get stuff up here where I'm depending on staff or I'm busy looking for people in the community that can explain stuff to me that I don't understand because
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engineers, they cannot always explain stuff in a way that that resonates with me. So
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list of people in the community that had an expertise that I could pick up the phone and call before I have to make a decision that I could deal with directly, not through the staff and say, Hey, Ed, you know, I have a question about this. Can you help me find the answer to this? You know, I would really appreciate that personally. So,
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of these experts that are willing to answer council questions individually and directly. That
that's the spirit of what we're suggesting that, you know,
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out and find out, you know, who who can we get this time. You know, when when you get uh what you think is getting very close to a finished product, that would be the time to have another seat at the table for this type of person to look at it. And
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we're going to do here. What are we missing? You know from your perspective, what did what questions didn't we ask? What don't we understand about this? What are your concerns about what would prevent this from working so that when you go with your recommendation and or when you go to the public workshop or you go to uh you know whatever venue it is, you have a more finished product that's more ready for prime time that is less likely to get kicked back or questioned or uh reworked at later stages. You know you get that you get that into the ground floor, you get it in early, uh you get those questions answered and you come out with a better product to present uh at board, at that council, at uh at workshops or whatever. This
is a discussion that can go on for hours so. Let me let Councilwoman
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say what she has to say and ‸ we're going to
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the attorney and get his take on it. The
reason I asked that the agenda be rearranged that we do this first was I realized first of all I kind of thought we had given direction. I thought we were full steam ahead and I remember specifically uh noting that you know we needed representation from the community as well as we needed a lagoon advocate.
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of the next agenda item which I feel you know we're being forced into it's urgent to make a decision when I don't think it's had as much uh as many eyes on it as many and as much public um opinion on it as I would have liked. So you know I I don't know I'm a little jealous because I mean
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a background, a master's in environmental management, 30 years in water, in the water environment and to get anybody to listen to me ‸ at all, but if you can get somebody to listen to you. I feel like there is a lot of sometimes it feels like passive resistance so
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have responsibility as well. Like I should have really been on it more after I thought I gave we gave direction at the CRA
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have come up in the last couple of months, but um that was one of the reasons I talked about the minutes earlier. I'm just really going to stay on top. If anybody gets up ‸ one of these beatings, I'm going to make sure that with there's some follow-up one way or another.
but um
Anyway, that's all.
Just remember, it's two different hats. so
okay
but um Thank you there, Mr. Green. and uh Mr. City Attorney, would you like to throw
in there ‸ I could go ahead and throw my two cents in. um i
mean
the agenda I guess the agenda item was set up in a way that I guess we presumed that we were talking about establishing some committee that would make a recommendation.
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I think it's different. um We always have to be careful with the Sunshine Law. ‸ the
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going to create some group that's going to be responsible for holding meetings and they're part of the decision making process,
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of the time, it's going to be subject to the Sunshine Law unless they ‸ fit through the eye of a needle and they purely act as a fact-finding group
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Green say is maybe slightly different in that what the city is trying, they need is a uh like a water, called lack of ‸ better term,
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have certain types of ex expertise, will volunteer their services ‸ to provide input at the staff level to try to create a better product um and help you know help the city with with specific matters regarding the waterfront. really kind of like but um we did something like that if you recall I don't know ‸ they're trying to work.
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one of a kind set of rules for docking and regulations for the for the waterfront?
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And he provided a wealth of expertise and frankly, the product that we created, that ordinance, wouldn't be half as good without his advice. But he volunteered his his time.
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He reviewed draft ordinances to say, does this make sense ‸ from a docking standpoint? And he helped create a much better product that the council ultimately adopted. That kind of approach, that's not subject to the Sunshine Law. So if somebody wants to volunteer their expertise and you want to use it as part of the process, and maybe you create a volunteer program.
That's that's exactly the way we're envisioning this.
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uh that
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volunteer to come in and, you know, work for the city on a volunteer basis and do the sort of thing. You have interns that you bring in, unpaid interns who, you know, admittedly the reason they do that is somewhat different. They're not providing expertise, they're gaining expertise, but it's still the same thing. It's outside people who are coming in and participating in a quasi staff situation on a voluntary basis. The civic program, v cops uh you know, if you want to talk about that, these are people who volunteer to come in and fulfill a function, you know, and and that's what we're talking about. We're talking about a group of people who will volunteer to come in and fulfill a function that augments staff. We
get we got ‸ you. Mr. City Manager,
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maybe you and mr green and if you sit down
and if you all could please turn your lights on because we're like
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the city attorney and get me and get with mr green just i think we have a better understanding and It's uh so and I was relying more on the recent letter where it talked about some formal recommendations that maybe that's where we went a little bit mistray
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I just I think we've got something here We're all on the same page now and I just think this is something between the city manager and mr Green and the city attorney
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program where it's a volunteer program And somebody in the city hall has a list of these volunteers And I know at one time carrie had a volunteer
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to ‸ the clerk's office
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help out You know augment her staff and what they did in the
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So,
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the better for all of us
Thank you. Thank you guys. So
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a beating of the minds and
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good to me
let's see
Yeah, make a motion we table
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until further notice
we've got a motion from councilman bovair
I'll second that
second from deputy mayor warner all in favor signify by saying aye aye aye opposed It passes unanimously
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Okay, item number two requests um Council direction for the final design and concept of the promenade and Overlook project uh
mr
Public Works Director.
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the uh April 24th meeting, uh direction from Council to bring some other concepts for the promenade back. We have tomville with Infrastructure Solutions who will provide a an overview of some different options. And after that, I'd like to turn it over to the city manager and then uh open it up to Council after that. ‸ Thank you, sir. With no further ado, uh Mr. vill Okay.
um I
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okay Okay.
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to have to invest some money in our sound systems
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for the delay. at the last or April 24th ‸ council meeting
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following the discussion and public comment council requested that
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of the stainless steel cable railing. In addition, following that meeting, several members of the public reached out to city staff offering further comment ‸ recommendations, some very good comments, some really thoughtful input. ‸ So, to assist city in considering these comments, making decisions about the promenade. We also prepared a concept with the cast stone balustrades in place of the stainless steel cable railing because that was a. Some input received.
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comment. So those were the sign wall. The concept of putting
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in front of the seawall Replacing the two square overlooks with a single arc shaped overlook in place of the two squares. Stressing the need to reflect the design cues from the park. And it's always been our intent to reflect those design cues. But when we. Updated these renderings. Spent a little more time on the detail of them to make sure that was communicated a little more strongly.
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window views through the parks. So. As I go through this i'll address some of those comments and at the end I'll address the rest of them just to give you some additional thought for your consideration. So. The knee wall concept. The concept was to construct an 18 inch high concrete wall along the water's edge in place of the 42 inch high ‸ The key design issue in doing this is that the Florida building code requires a guard a railing 42 inches high along any open-sided walking surface. When there's when they're within 36 inches of the edge of a drop-off that would drop 30 inches or more.
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So I didn't just rely on my own. I met with Val Perez the city building official He's the ultimate interpreter of the building code in the city of
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surface is located within 36 inches of that drop off. So to satisfy that building code requirement in the knee wall concept we included a 36 inch wide landscape strip to provide a separation from walking surface to that knee wall and the drop off below. And just so you know the drop off right now that paver walking surface is about 16 inches higher than the top of the bulk uh sea wall
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water surface and about two and a half to three feet to the sea bottom along the wall. So that was a key ‸ design issue that we were addressing in our concept. So the knee wall concept you can see here. There's ‸ The. Large concept you can see through both overlooks that were. Proposed with a planning
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in front we kept that middle sign, but we will discuss this later in the presentation and then you can see there are two other views one down the walkway and then one looking out. Over the platform. ‸ and i've got close-ups of both of those so this is a view looking down the walkway. What we did you have your knee wall. Architecturally it mimics the ‸ entrance signs to riverfront park. And then in front of that you see a three foot wide landscape area that you would have and then you could have walking surface
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landscaped area and the existing paver ribbon curb on it, we showed it as sod. You could certainly put concrete in, but I know there was a strong emphasis about more. Green space in here, so we showed it as sod you could easily change that. on the overlooks we did based on conversations at the left at that last meeting. Kept the stainless steel. Cable railing on the overlooks because
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where people would be walking right up to the. Edge of the Edge
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those. planting beds and of the overlooks. We just showed representative planning in there. The plant type would be finalized or in final design. ‸ The second option was to construct uh ‸ 42 inch cast stone balustrade railing in place of the stainless steel railing. So cast stone balustrades, you can see one to the right that's actually from Memorial Park in Jacksonville. They're a very strong architectural feature historic style architectural feature.
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railings. These are cast out of a special mix of cement. They have reinforcing within them. One issue with the balustrades Memorial Park is a is a old park. ‸ constructed in the 1920s. So their balustrades do not meet current code. Current code of the building code. The space in between the balustrades has to be small enough that you cannot pass a four inch sphere through them. So you'll see that a little different when you see our examples. In addition, Jacksonville's balustrades, the historic ones were 36 inches high. But again, code requires them to be 42 inches high. now So here's some uh renderings of the balustrade wall. In this rendering, uh same three views from the water looking down at the entirety of the promenade. And then looking down the promenade walkway. And then uh another view of the overlooks. In this option, we use the
balustrade
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since you were using them on the overlooks as well. And then here's a another close-up picture of them.
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The one thing they do because they have to be so close together is you don't get. You have more of an obstruction to your view of the water. And the other thing that will happen is if you do get water coming up onto ‸ the park. They do restrict the water. So you have a bigger surface area that's going to absorb the force of the water. On the balustrades.
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uh We went ahead and just as I said, we were updating some of the design features just to add a little more detail to better communicate that we're matching the design cues of the park.
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steel railing. Again, it's a stainless steel cable railing, 42 inches high,
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along the walkway, the existing
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walkway. Here's another view looking over the overlooks. Okay. The sign wall was a topic of discussion last time, and there will need to be a decision made as to whether to have the sign wall or not. There was some discussion whether uh you wanted it or not. This is a view from the sea wall or I'm sorry, the water side with the knee wall option. So it gives you a closer up look of the knee wall option from the sea.
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The area between the existing walkway and the sign can be landscaped There could be modifications to it. If you decide that's what you want. on it So just trying to give you a comparison of the different options. This is the view down the existing walkway of all three options. The top option being the knee wall. Second option being the stainless steel railing and the third option being the cast stone balustrades. and then this is another comparison view and this is approximating the ‸ view angle you would have sitting in a bench along the existing walkway one of the existing benches so you can see the top with the balustrades bottom left corner being the stainless steel cable railing and in bottom right corner being the knee wall
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because it's there's a change in the railing cost for each of these options but there's also other changes in in the promenade so to give you the best information to make decisions by we've estimated the construction
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railing at about 890,000. Those are the estimated contracted construction costs.
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I also wanted to just raise for your information the maintenance compared to your previous wood dock what you would expect. The stainless steel cable railing and the cast stone balustrade railing you will have slightly more maintenance because you're going to be maintaining these landscape beds more often. Stainless steel cable railing you're never painting about every five years you're taking a solvent and wiping it down ‸ and that should be it. The cast stone balustrade railing I would expect every five years or so you may go through and pressure wash the railing but you would not be painting that railing. I mean you can but we would not recommend that you would use a balustrade that would require painting or any of that kind of maintenance. The knee wall would require the highest maintenance. A little bit higher than the other two. And that comes from one you've got this long linear landscape bed the whole length that you'd be maintaining. And then the knee wall would have matching the rest of the park a stucco type finish on it so that you would have to periodically paint that wall. So that those would be some of the major issues where you would have a little bit more maintenance cost. So the additional public comment and recommendations as I said we received some ‸ excellent comment and some really thoughtful input. One issue was the idea of putting riprap in front of the seawall. You can do that. You can do it at any time. Nothing in this project will keep you from doing it in the future. It will require permitting by the St. Johns River Water Management District and the Army Corps of Engineers because you're now putting fill into the lagoon.
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They can put additional permit requirements on it or things like that. I don't see any reason why you would not get those permits they may put some requirements on you but it is an additional process you have to go through for it. Some other design considerations there's always been about the prominent the discussion of getting close to the water and people needing to interact with the water if we put riprap in front of. the seawall it will push the water level further away
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I'm over the sea bottom. The second thing and it's just something to be aware of riprap on the edge like that floating debris just has a habit of getting caught up in that riprap on the end it just lands on it sticks there so it would require a periodic cleaning of that. And then lastly, if you put riprap in front of the seawall there are a handful of stormwater outlet pipes. So that come through the seawall at different locations
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pipe and then you're into a much. More complicated project so you would have these small openings and riprap wrap you know like three foot four foot openings in the riprap to allow that stormwater to come out. The second item was the concept of an arc shaped overlook in place of the two square overlook something ‸ more centralized in the vicinity of the fountain you can do it. There's nothing prohibiting that that would require some additional permitting And the footprint change would raise that level of permitting. Right now we're going back ‸ replacing existing gazebos in the exact same footprint. We're upgrading the materials to something more resilient. So as far as getting permits, it's it's more it's just easier and then I'm not sure how that would affect your fema funding to change from replacing structures damage to a new structure but
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doing floating day slips so that they're more resilient. And out they are not in the exact same footprint so I had to go through a couple of extra steps with army corps and
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So it's just a consideration. Again, you can get it permitted. um It will
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and then lastly there were some comments regarding the
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and window views through the parks. So um
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step. What we're trying to determine right now is the extent and the location of the
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area and the new wall railings. As far as shade trees, they can be done at at any time. We don't recommend the placement of trees between the existing pavers in the back of the seawall. one of them is visual but the other thing is planting trees in there and and beginning root growth in the area of that old seawall is just not something I would encourage at this time You can place shade trees on the other side on the west side of that existing pavers to provide shade for the benches or anything that can be done
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limit when we've always talked about reconstruction of the promenade was the existing paper walkway. So
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the start was not to disturb or replace or impact that existing paper walkway.
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and then we'll. let You guys come and after she.
hi everybody
I'm Linda dolphin 2100 North Indian River Drive and just had some questions based upon on some concerns about. um FEMA maybe not paying for the knee wall the knee wall is my favorite design. I think it opens it up. I think it's beautiful. And we had you know my husband and I were discussing some opportunities to overcome some. Concerns that we're hearing behind the scenes. So maybe we should come back if they're if the council or city staff is going to say that the knee wall isn't feasible. That's what we're hearing. So rather than discuss it in advance. um if it is feasible, I'm for it. If you're if there's reasons that FEMA's not going to fund it, which we saw in some of the information, then why don't we get that out in the open first? Thank
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‸ is technically feasible to be constructed. There's no question about it.
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I know there were discussions with FEMA, but I think Matt.
Assistant City Manager. uh
Yes, Mr. Mayor. Actually, uh you know ever since Hurricane Irma, going back probably a year and a half now, city staffs had weekly meetings with FEMA. And uh one thing that you know we've learned with this uh hurricane and and others is that you know there's no commitment to anything until you receive the money. They have numerous checklists that different groups that we don't even see go through to validate if the project is meritorious for FEMA reimbursement.
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I think it's important that, you know, we keep in mind that these are replacement projects. The
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that's actually, there were contemplated extensions with that at the time of the hurricane. This particular project, what what we're talking about, is essentially rebuilding an amenity that was lost. And what what we had previously was a wooden boardwalk with wooden railing. And uh the desire was to bring that back onto the seawall to make it more resilient. And uh working with FEMA, working with uh certain design elements to make sure that that could happen, uh as well as within the constraints of the timelines that we have for the various grants with FEMA and FIND.
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estimates updated for each of these uh particular options. I can say right off the bat that there isn't a single option that isn't feasible for the city. Essentially, if you exclude uh in the the itemized costs, the individual pieces that were not present with the the wooden walkway, if you exclude those costs, you know,
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um and
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uh with the rep that was here on site. uh Of course, that's just in that's the best estimate they can provide us at this time, and that's not including any mitigation or anything else.
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the city should consider with these projects, uh the first option with the stainless steel uh cable railing, uh the city's general
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now
to add back in those planter beds, the sign wall, landscaping irrigation, those items that weren't previously present, uh either the CRA or the general fund would have to fund those additional pieces, and that's approximately
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Second option, the
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uh the general fund
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the general fund in addition to bringing those amenities
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the third option the uh knee wall option, um excluding the items that were uh not present in the previous uh project, uh the city's general fund
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CRA or the general
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and some of the other amenities that weren't previously present. And so that's those are the best numbers we have to work off of. I think uh based on what the city has budgeted and what we have available for grant funding, uh we believe that to be feasible uh financially for the city uh for each of the three options. um Again, those those numbers may change. uh FEMA did indicate that, uh you know, the knee wall design uh ‸ well, particularly the knee wall design, is not something that they would uh move towards their mitigation program. uh We're actually unsure of what that amount would be from mitigation. uh They have certain thresholds, but each project is taken individually and assessed by their team, and then a percentage is allocated based on the uh design of the project. And, but they they did, we do have uh documentation from FEMA that that option would not be eligible for under their mitigation program in addition to their reimbursement program. Can
I ask why?
Yes, because uh the the specific statement uh from their mitigation folks was that they've observed many impacts from hurricanes up and down the u.s coast and the survivability of those structures hasn't been good. uh The steel railing uh systems have been good and that is what they are recommending. I do believe, Tom, do you have some images from uh Hurricane Irma, I think from Jacksonville on the
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from the waterfront master plan? uh so those enhancements were you know it would be something that the cra would have to make a decision on uh similar to ‸ they did with the the tdoc to the boardwalk so uh so it's if they don't because i don't think they were contemplating that they were contemplating the in the war for mass plan update the uh railing but so we would still have to go back to the cra as well just just to clarify that we're not trying to push an expense off on the cra This project emanates and began with the redevelopment agency doing the public workshops and concluding in the redevelopment plan.
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you would not expect newly constructed to respond this way, however. They don't pass water through the same way, so you would expect some damage or they're more susceptible to damage as far as the knee wall. We would do everything we could to design it to withstand those kind of forces. One of the things I've had a conversation with
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a lot of times those walls are constructed of a block. They're filled. They're filled block. the reinforced concrete filled block. We would not do that. We have to construct the retaining wall anyway because we have to raise the grade about 16 inches above where it sits now. So as part of a cast in place concrete retaining ‸ wall, we would cast in place the knee wall. So it would be reinforced concrete and so I think it would be much better withstanding impacts like that. Now you'll have a ‸ precast top on it typically connected to it and you could suffer some damage like that but I ‸ more I would be more concerned about the peers and those would be the biggest things that we would focus on in the design and actually the knee wall. The peers we have to be very careful about how we
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Well yeah. So what is the fate of the nine lanterns and the five mature Bismarck trees. The ones that Bismarck trees that are on what would they be on the south end.
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Close to St.
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that actually held the ground
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pretty tight so they didn't have the erosion during the storm. Are those those are goners right
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trees. The Bismarck trees. Between the walkway.
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relocated.
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and they can be, as mature as they are, they can be relocated. That has to be an expense.
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And the lanterns? ‸ The lanterns can all be relocated.
One thing to consider with the Bismarcks ‸ is typically when you replant a tree, they'll bring usually a spade in, and there are structures back there for the tieback for that bulkhead wall. So we would have to consider what structures are under the ground there before we tried that. They are pretty large trees.
Yeah, they're probably really hard to move, I would imagine. But they did hold in the ground. You didn't have erosion on that side.
Any other comments? I
do have a couple questions, Mr. Mayor.
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On the knee wall, we get a hurricane and water washes over the knee wall. Are there cut-throughs to allow that water to go back out, or is that water just stuck?
We'll have to allow drainage back through the wall in the design for that, drainage from the system. Okay.
So on the construction of the knee wall, if I'm standing on the knee wall, because we're fooling ourselves if we think people aren't going to stand on the knee wall,
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on that knee wall and I fall, how far is my drop before I hit water?
From the top of the knee wall, you would drop about seven feet. Okay. Seven feet before you hit water.
Okay, and then the water I'm hitting is about three foot deep?
About three foot deep.
Okay. And it's river bottom there, it's not rock?
It is river bottom there. That, you know, we had discussion at the last meeting, because I know there are people who refer to it as a knee wall, a sitting wall, those things. It can't be a sitting wall. There can't be anything to encourage people onto those walls.
You
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I know, and ‸ it's a real concern.
Well, that's the purpose of putting the plan, is there, right? Yeah.
We end up replacing,
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‸ people have no compunction about standing in the middle ‸ of planting beds to watch the fireworks or when they're celebrating or when there's a concert, people will stand on top of the plants. That's just what they do. So they're not going to stop from standing on the knee wall if they've had a little bit to drink and they're trying to see a concert or they're trying to watch the fireworks. That's, I mean, we have knee walls all over the state and it happens all the time. But my concern is the water flow, when water washes over that, where it's going to go, is it going to cause erosion ‸ of the rest of the infrastructure along there? I just, I don't want to see that happen. And I also, I mean, I thought the whole concept when we started this was to, you know, get the public closer to the water because we all know we have a,
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And to me personally, the easiest way to get people interested in what happens to the lagoon is to get them up close so they can see what's going on in the lagoon, that they can look down and see the trash,
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over and see unless they go out on one of these little outcroppings. So you're kind of, to me, taking away the whole concept of getting, getting the public closer to the water. But I don't, the balustrade is the only one I have an objection to because
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through that balustrade. So I, you know, that to me, that's out. It's beautiful, but I can't see the water. So that totally cuts me off from the water. Unless I walk right up to it and look over, I'm not going to see the water. So, and at 42 inches, it's already to my chin. So that's ‸ an issue for me. I had the same problem in New York.
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I wasn't tall enough. So children are not going to be satisfied without climbing up and jumping over to see because they're not going to be ‸ able to see the water either. And you're right, it's got to be close enough together. They can't stick their little heads through it. So, I mean, you just, to me, that just takes out the total view. So the other two ‸ I'm fine with.
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just, I just don't like the idea of moving the public back basically six feet from the water.
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stand on top of the water and actually see the water. I could look through ‸ and see the water underneath. I felt like I was closer to the river. This just removes me from the river. I might as well go down to McFarland Park and see the river there or at the end of Dixon Boulevard. Oh, no, the city owns property there. We're allowed to go.
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It's beautiful.
I
love the way it looks. But just removing the ability to get close to the water and is my biggest concern. But that's all I have to say. Thank you, Mr.
Mayor.
Okay. Yeah.
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That's what we call us.
Yeah. Boy. Boy. I'll tell you the, I guess it's the stainless, ‸ what is the fencing called? Stainless? Stainless
steel cable ramp. Yeah,
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stainless, the cable. Okay. I'm absolutely okay with the steam, with the cable, with the T-Docs and in ‸ all the places where it really serves a great function. The promenade is such a different story. The promenade is like the heart of the village. It's like, it's the place that you can just stroll, you can feel the wind, you can enjoy the water.
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it doesn't have barbed wire on, but if it did, it could easily, you know, be a prison fence. And I know it's really popular because I've been visiting, I've been doing day trips, and I know they're doing it all over the place.
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Depression. ‸ They're beautiful. This does not strike me as beautiful.
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Do you think that there is a way ‸ to use that concept but make it look better? Like maybe with some wrought iron or some cutout design or maybe some fancier poles or a fancier railing or something to still use the cable?
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do just the plain ugly poles. If those had a better design or, you know, or the railing was a nicer design and it doesn't look so ulitarian and prison-ish and,
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‸ I mean, it's just on the promenade.
‸ I can tell you in our design, there are other railings you can use, stainless steel railings you can use that have different architectural shape. They become more substantial and a bigger visual impact when you're looking at them. This was an attempt to make it as minimal as possible. We discussed wrought iron all the way back at that November meeting. There are a lot of very ornate wrought iron. Wrought iron on the edge of the river is going to require a tremendous amount of maintenance. It's going to constantly have to be ‸ painted and touched up.
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316 stainless steel.
But is there any reason why they can't be... have some design elements to them?
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lack of visual obstruction.
Like I said, I'm short. I like the lack of visual obstruction, but I don't like the fact that it's ugly.
Right. You know, if ‸ that's what... you know, you don't want that, but you want a different kind of railing, we just have to... we would have to go back and work with people who identify...
‸ I think ‸ we're looking too much into this. ‸ I'm looking at these three designs right here. Let me tell you something, compared to what we have right now and what we've had, you know, I think these are excellent designs. And ‸ I understand we all have our own personal feelings about what ‸ we think it should look like. But then
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got to remember there's a cost associated with it too. ‸ That's, you know... So we need to just kind of be cautious here and just... I mean, we... we might want what we want, but... what we have is not, you know... just got to consider ‸ there's a cost associated with... ‸ some of the things that our hearts desire.
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of funding for FEMA. Number one for the reimbursement, essentially for what you had previously. They'll look at the cost of what you had previously. What does it take to put that back today? And so they typically do 75% of that. Then if you take and make an effort to mitigate a future disaster, they look at, well, what is the value of that structure? What level are you building it to to be resilient to a storm of this level that occurs, you know, every 10 years or whatever it is.
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Does it get you to that 50 years over three category, three storms, whatever it is? They have a formula where they look at this and they... they ‸ put these concepts in and then ‸ it's determined, you know, a percent allocation on how much they can give you under the mitigation program.
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‸ is the shoreline restoration. There was a level of mitigation done with that project as well. You can see there's more substantial rock and much more of it.
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figure back from FEMA as to what they will reimburse. So, you know, this is the best knowledge we have today on what we could receive in funding. Now, we, you know, keep in mind that last April when we secured the find hurricane restoration grant, you know, that 427,000 was for the T-DOC day slips as well as the promenade. So there are some additional grant dollars there that would minimize ‸ the expense that the general fund would have. So, you know, that's while there is some expense to the general fund or CRA, you know, we ‸ do believe that the, you know, ‸ each of these projects would be financially feasible by the city.
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nothing else?
It can be powder coated. Yeah. That becomes something you would have to maintain into the future.
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this is time, this is time sensitive. So, you know, we, we need to make a decision. I just.
‸ Mr. Mayor Council. I think Matt has articulated the fact that any of the options presented are financially feasible.
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‸ and others and we just look at and I provided a ‸ added to the agenda and provided a ‸ fairly aggressive timeline going forward. ‸ And I say that predicated on the fact that we've been working with FEMA and this project has been under design since. I mean, I know first came out was T-Docs boat slips
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shoreline T-Docs boat slips and then the promenade.
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this. So we have been working on it for a while.
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I just want to. We think and now. ‸ With find, I
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But keep in mind the T-Doc as you prove that the previous meeting ‸ T-Doc and the boat
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And that was about exactly what we wanted that Larry and Matt presented before
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the promenade.
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Yeah. And so we have to look at that, but it's the timing that gives me most concern me the opportunity to lose, you know, if we're not substantially underway and moving towards completion, I do have concerns.
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mean, yes, FEMA says we can apply for the extension, but we've seen some instances across the country where it's not been. I
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mean, you can talk to our finance folks from from Hurricane Matthew. We still received everything back for return and earn. We talked about shorelines already done. But ‸ if we give
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to on one of these one. And again, you know, while staff may individually have their own idea of what their preference, like every member of the public has an individual preference. You give it whatever it is,
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a consensus. You're looking about three months to do the remaining final design engineering and bid specification. ‸ Package and concurrent with that process finalizing permitting. I did ask Tom, say, Tom, I need to tune in. Can I get you down to two and a half months? You know, give me two weeks, you know, then do challenging my staff for our staff to look at the RFP process because, you know, it's got to go out. It's going to be up there in the ‸ bid package
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has to be advertised. It's going to be out on the market, you know, for 30 days and ‸ come back. Staff's got to review rank, bring it to council. And then
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the ‸ recommendation of the staff on the contractor.
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So I
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we do that in six weeks?
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eight weeks. And then, okay, maybe we got a month there because I'm getting to the big one. Then the post selection at the end of the day, we get the contractor selected, you know, on that night. That don't mean they go to work the next day.
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make sure a certificate of insurance,
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probably ‸ the final negotiation of the contracts to make sure that we're tightened up on and the city's interests are being protected
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project for which, you know, you are voting and ‸ desire. And then maybe there might be some, although in this case, probably in this particular project, very minimal, but value engineering.
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And it brought some of the prices down and made us able to be able to accommodate that, you know, the Brevard Community Action Team more and some other amenities. But this project is probably limited on savings from a value engineering standpoint. And then you get the contractor ‸ mobilizing, you know, their subs and everybody and getting everything together. And so that's about, you know, post city contract, you know, activities about two months. And that leaves maybe four months or if we can get Tom to give us two weeks and staff to give us two weeks in terms of
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that would give us, you know, five months. But it all together, I mean, and that would bring
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down to 10 months. Our deadlines are, as we indicated in the staff agenda, the
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deadlines for the projects are December 31st 2019. And
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Now we can apply and seek that reimburse or that extension. But that if we don't receive that, that $200,000, which is $203,000, which I believe is ‸ the worst case scenario, rises significantly by not getting any reimbursement. You know, for so I just that's why I want to caution that ‸ whatever whatever whatever one you like, that's fine. It just we we need to try to come to so we can get I can get Tom to do it in two and a half months and get staff geared up to roll it out and get it done in six weeks to bring it back to you for the purpose of getting it out there. So we can go to FEMA in good faith and say we are under construction. Here's where we are, you know, and ‸ say it is more than 10 months because the four months is a very aggressive construction time schedule, even though you even have five months to be quite honest.
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We have public comment anyway? I don't
think you did. Yeah,
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got a card fill out, yeah, you got a. No, I got them up there already. But anyway,
so I just want to.
Well,
I just in terms of the urgency, nothing I'm really saying is new. I've ‸ made several of these comments all along and I can't talk directly to him.
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know, slow process. So I'm sorry we're up against the wall.
Excuse me.
But
on the other hand, I mean, sometimes I don't think I'm hurt or I don't know. Do other people feel that way or people in the audience? So anyway, that's another issue.
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I think Walter wants to speak too.
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of the council can move in whatever direction. I want to. My vote would be for the stainless steel option for the reasons I cited before.
It
puts the public closer to the water, which I feel is important. But in the meantime, after this moves forward, I am going to hope that some of those experts in our community that Ed Green and I just talked about. Can figure out a way to make these posts in here look a little more pleasing and allow for some design in this railing as opposed to just this plane. If nothing else, if those posts just had
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if they had cutouts of sailboats or something, anything would make them look better than they look now. But I think it's really important and the most important aspect for me other than the maintenance of the plants and the safety is to get the public as close to the water as possible. And this is the only design that does that. So that would be the direction I would choose to go in.
Thank you, ma'am. Mr. Roslin, you.
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And then Mr. Greenwood.
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You never stop people from moving in a direction or a path and that landscape will be just trampled.
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Another thing with ‸ the rails, first I love the knee wall, but you're right.
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That's my three cents. Thank you, sir.
Mr. Greenwood.
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She has a very good question when it involves some of the funding she made a question I couldn't answer and it was a
very good idea.
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myself the points it's brought up that Brenda had mentioned she's right there's a chance that we could spend a little more time to alter the columns that are there as you've suggested. But overall you've got an unobstructed view of the water and then the area is an observation area that if you like people getting closer to the water area right between the two columns are you're right on top of it. And that's the only place I see the stainless steel railing is that correct.
The wall up what
you see you get the best of the both worlds there as far as the money goes we can be creative. I don't want I hope the city doesn't pick something that you're going to regret because once you pick this
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going to be there for 50 years or more.
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how to answer but let
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‸ So
the
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one thing that can be done with the seawall ‸ or to ensure that that frontage is protected at the time they do the construction on this. They can also do an inspection of that wall. Maybe dig down a little bit further
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Really look at it and see what the condition is and if at that time any repairs need to be made they could do. The other thing.
There's no way that we could get the mitigation dollars in another manner.
Well it would have to be related to this project but the one thing that I offer counsel and ‸ I'll share is like we just had a stormwater master plan meeting. And I know that's going to be finalized but one of the concepts that was presented that many people seem to like the ideas of like building a retention system. It did from in
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of Riverfront Park in the lagoon. And so you wouldn't want to put that the dollars in there for the riprap until ‸ you know because then you kind of what do you ‸ go back and remove that
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you just put money in.
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tell you you there's stories just Google it six seven years after the fact they come in and audit and then they ask for the money back from the city. That's happened in numerous cities in Daytona I think Deltona. So we're trying to make sure that we are completely compliant with what they want us to do.
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the road
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going to come up with you know a couple hundred thousand dollars. So and I think the stormwater component I mean it could be something if it's if that is feasible and we know that that's a I don't know if Tom's aware of it. Okay it's it's you know the idea of creating that ‸ multi-chambered you know stormwater which is pretty innovative and would actually give more access to the waterfront. But yeah
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and I think one of the things that Tom emphasized say that design doesn't work. You could potentially come back after the fact and look at adding it because it's going to be the city's cost or the anyway.
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the fact like maybe once the other projects vetted because it's pretty innovative and we require some you know.
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any of ‸ the late fees that are paid by water bills but money
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this. Well
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well the point being is the utility enterprise fund is responsible for maintaining the utilities. And in the bond covenants the city recently updated the respond covenants and we have gone to a more I think.
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legally but politically defensible you know return on investment and it's reflected in the bond covenants. And to we would not be able to take out additional funds other than what's allowed what's that can it be loaned to ‸ the utility it just bar it just borrowed 43 million dollars to undertake five years of capital improvements. And we are endeavoring to try to get their reserves up to the full six months which we think is the best practice.
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give up to six months so I would not recommend I don't think the. I would not recommend the utility lend money to the city.
Tom the designs here are beautiful wish we could have seen them when you were first here but they'll look great. And then meanwhile seems to be most popular. Thank you. Thank you.
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Just
wanted to ask because it is cement from the promenade to the seawall is there any way to keep the trees. This marks to build around them or ‸ that just really an impossibility.
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as we get out there and look at it. Just in general that we
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in there where we're starting to get root growth and everything behind an old wall like that it's going to seek every crack in the wall it's going to seek any crack.
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no I know those are those are older established trees so we can look at those and see if we can keep them but in general no I would not plant new trees in front of there and the plan was to.
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And it also just I want to. ‸ To
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on ‸ the border of the west side to provide sufficient lighting for. So those
nine lanterns are going to because those are like 2000 each. Yes.
They
would be relocated. We would do a lighting layout along there. You have some lights on the west side so we may not need to relocate all nine there but they could be relocated elsewhere to where you need them in the park. I would say on the concrete surface you have in that example. If there was a strong desire to make some of those areas that are concrete sod instead. That that could be done
too
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as a way to limit it but the idea of the concrete again was. To allow people. And allow accessible access. Accessible ‸ access to the
waterfront
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So that was done.
Okay we need to get moving on this. We've ‸ got the deputy mayor's. She wanted conception one right.
Yeah.
And then what about the wall.
‸ Well
are you
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talking about the sign wall. Yeah the sign.
The sign wall.
‸ I
don't like I'm sorry I don't like
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and there's a festival or a special event going on and somebody takes a picture. And they have a lot of followers and gets tagged in Twitter Facebook and they see all this activity on the waterfront and you cannot buy that free advertising that says. Coco because we do have a lot of invest festivals and events. This ‸ one I really. I'm we and it was Ed's idea to put it on the bridge. But I think he showed displaying and so it's it's like hey that's Coco's Park. That's good
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I get maybe it's not necessary but on the outside. I really think anything we can do to promote with somebody takes a picture from that from the Indian River. They know that that's Coco.
And there's a lot of pictures taken from the river during concerts. Yeah I see them. ‸ Yeah.
One thing I would just add on that sign too. We just put that up that lettering that style from other things within the city sorry. But we could do whatever you want or not to this fine. I
can live with it.
‸ Totally up to you all.
I can live with
it. Okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I
think you should put welcome to Coco or something like that.
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With ‸ American flag on both sides. We.
That's
something we can. Yeah.
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You don't want to over design the brand.
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Right next to the Red Sox right.
Okay. Let's let's move on and councilwoman. Councilwoman Cox.
Anthony. Ah. Well I'm in favor of the new wall.
Okay. What about the. As
far as you know that's where I really wish we had had the outlook in the center.
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Okay the advertising okay.
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like to listen to a lot of citizens and I have way more people wanting the
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I always visit Cocoa Village, especially when I'm stressed out during the day. I take a lot of walks out there, so I don't mind
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I like it
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I think the pictures and those things inside and out would possibly be good, you know, for a welcome sign. People weddings and so many different prom nights or whatever the case may be, I think that advertising would do good for us. So I'm in favor of the knee wall.
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‸ Good evening.
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I have tails at the Barkery. It's past my bedtime like yours.
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And so as a person that has two businesses here and spends a lot of time in the village, you've done an excellent job and I wouldn't want yours. Okay. And Ed, ‸ you know, I don't want yours. So all I want to say is, is I truly understand the funding, John, because we need to move on with this project because we'll lose that funding 40 years in DOD. Money goes away guys.
It
changes colors quickly and we're on the verge of hurricane season and then we'll just get pushed behind.
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is no lighting.
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For 10 years, you've heard me talk about lighting.
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There is no lighting.
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chief is smiling. He knows. There is no lighting. That's my favorite subject around here. So please, when you go to do this design, let's get better lighting. Let's look at doing lighting on the ground. Let's use a lot of solar. Let's really think big.
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I gave a presentation two years ago to the city. Nothing's been done about it. Please, when you look at this, look at that kind of lighting. It's beautiful. It's hurricane proof. They've had it down there for 10 years or close to it. Okay. The next one is the design. I've toured a lot. I've seen a lot of these walls. That
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Absolutely not. Okay. I totally agree with you. Wouldn't want to do it. The other one, I'm sorry guys. Go back to your picture that you show from the water. So when you come over the bridge and you're in a million dollar boat or billion dollar boat.
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the other one. That one.
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like
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Okay. One more. One more. Go back. That one. Okay. You're coming over the bridge. Does that look inviting to anybody in this room?
No.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Very
cool.
It doesn't look inviting. Now, why would I want to be stuck on that bridge and look down there and see that?
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It's not inviting. Okay. So my point is as you move forward ‸ for the knee wall. Okay. Or a version of the knee wall.
I
think Councilman Brenda said it earlier. Let's use a wall.
I
know. So let's use the wall that we can design. Look out there.
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Okay. I went to Dubai. Same kind of wall. Okay. They all have these same requirements. Okay. So we have safety. So let's look at it. It doesn't need to look like the prison wall. Okay. It can have a rail.
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determine this, but we're going to live with it and we want it to be beautiful. We want to be that spot when you come over the bridge. Okay. Thank you.
Mr. Mayor staff doesn't disagree.
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is like the one thing when you're looking at this image, you're not seeing the context of the park in the background with the band shell that adds with the other elements that already exist in the park.
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You had
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Okay. I don't have a
direct one. That's fine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And
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well,
the
railing,
that's what the, they can see,
‸ right.
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Yeah.
Yeah. So I make a motion.
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Yeah. Let's look at me.
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up.
Thank you.
And, uh, whatever we do, except that we're going to have to live with for a while. ‸ So, uh, I'm just going to call it the new wall.
Okay. Okay. Okay.
But does that, does that, that's not the concept
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Uh, we actually in that picture moved the lights. Opposite.
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that cocoa portion.
Oh,
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the sign? On the sign itself.
We
didn't design the
light I got your how to sign up
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to say. I
got you. And then do the lighting.
Yeah.
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like it. But anyway, we got,
uh,
all right. Well,
the
directions is, uh, three of us for the, the knee wall.
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that we go, what was that option three? The
knee wall option. The
knee wall option. Um, and also that we, it seemed that we had some consensus on the signage. Although I don't know about the welcome just
‸ because.
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Okay. So, um, uh, my motion is that we go with the knee wall with the cocoa sign.
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water. No.
No, the
balance
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the
balustrade
was.
‸ Yeah. Second. Yeah.
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We got a second from councilman going all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. ‸ Opposed.
No.
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Okay. We're going to move on to our next item was a point of council liaison. The police community relations advisory committee administrative services. But first I'm going to make a comment. I don't think that we necessarily need a, uh, the liaison for this committee. Uh, I just, I think if the council wants to attend these meetings whenever they have them, they're more than welcome. But that's just my suggestion.
Yeah. Cause
it's not a board. But anyway, it's not a board. All right. You can go ahead.
Okay.
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just my suggestion that we don't even have a liaison for this board.
Yeah.
So I just know that from experience, we've had a tendency, you know, with certain boards. And I know I've done it myself where you interject yourself into the, the, the committee meeting. And, and, uh, but I think this is one of those committees where council need to just kind of step back and observe and just listen. And then just kind of go from there.
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So then I'll make a motion that we do not appoint a liaison to, to this advisory board.
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Any comments or no comments? Okay. Um, all in favor signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed? It passes unanimously. Okay. We're going to move on to city business. Um, with the final ranking of, uh, section of our bid for, uh, Q 19-12-CLC. Assistant City Manager.
Yes, Mr. Mayor. ‸ This, uh, item is to approve the final ranking and
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the city manager to negotiate and execute a contract not to exceed the fiscal year 2019 budgeted amount. Uh,
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Thank you, sir.
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Second. Second from Deputy Mayor Warner. All in favor signify by saying aye. ‸ Opposed?
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Um,
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making emergency single source purchase of, uh, train 30-ton, uh, roof, uh, HVAC system. Um, public works director.
Yes, Mayor and Council. Um, as you said, this is to approve a resolution approving the, uh, waiving the competitive bid process to purchase a replacement, uh, HVAC unit. Um, it's on the utilities building. Uh, ‸ the cost ‸ of repairing the existing unit exceeded almost 75% of the,
uh,
the cost to replace, uh, staff felt it more, uh, prudent to replace the unit. Uh, they have a long lead time. So, uh, the item has been ordered and we are, uh, requesting council's approval for the way in which it was purchased in, in the emergency. Thank you, sir.
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I
just have a quick question. Ed, the,
the
current unit that we're replacing, how old is that unit?
As old as
a
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building, about 12 years old?
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Nine years old.
‸ Thank you. That's it. Motion to approve.
We get a motion from Deputy Mayor Warner. Second.
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All in favor signify by saying ‸ aye. Aye. Opposed?
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Um, number, item number three,
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to 26 56 North Indian River Drive. Um, community, um, service director. Thank
you.
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Um,
is requesting removal of an oak tree. It's located in the right
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in front of his property at 26 56 North Indian River Drive. Uh, Mr.
shive
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initially contacted the city's public works department about the tree in November of 2018. He stated that the tree
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a dead limb hanging over the roadway, uh, and he feared, uh, that it might fall and, uh, hurt someone. And at that time, public works removed the dead limb, um,
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box, uh, on your map. It's on,
uh,
as
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Uh,
so we have a photo here from the tree with the limb, uh, before it was removed. And then, uh, this photo shows, uh, the tree limb portions that were taken down. You can see some, um, kind of voids in the centers of the, uh,
uh,
trunks there. So in January of this year,
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Mr. Scheib, uh, submitted an application for the removal of the tree, citing
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uh, beyond the limb that was removed. In February, he mailed,
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Uh,
public works staff has stated that the tree appeared, uh, healthy, but they have no objection to Mr.
Shiver moving
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the tree, provided it was at his expense. Uh, he has stated that he's willing to pay for the removal of the tree. This is a photo of the tree, um, and you can see there's a, um, short area of, uh, of level ground, and then the, the lot drops off considerably. Um, it's his intent to build a house on the, on that property. Uh, that photo was, uh, looking up into the branches. It's, uh, it's a little hard to see the, the bark I was trying to capture there. So when we come to, uh, tree removal permits, there's two questions. One is,
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So in terms of our code, because the tree, uh, is in the right of way, um, the tree removal permit is required. And because that tree is an oak tree in the right of way, the tree board, uh, should make a recommendation to the council, uh, regarding removal. Um, in terms of the code for that, um, this section of code has to do with emergency rule, uh, removal of hazardous trees, um, to, um,
mitigate
imminent threats.
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staff's finding that the, uh, uh, tree in question doesn't pose an imminent threat to the public at this time that the limb that was overhanging the
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um, was a threat. However, that's been resolved. Um, and therefore removal of the rest of the tree will require approval of the council. You know, in terms of criteria for removal, um, a letter requesting that the tree removal, uh, is to be forwarded to the city. And the enforcement official then has the option of granting permission, um, if it meets certain ‸ guidelines, um, if it's
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tree is not
the trunk is closer than seven and a half feet, uh,
to
the foundation of a structure. If it's within 10 feet of a structure, it has a, an aggressive root system. Or, um, if the trees are to be replaced elsewhere, either on the property or on another property, in accordance with the replacement code. Staff's finding is that, um, the hazardous tree, uh, means, well, sorry, let me skip ‸ that, um, that, uh, um,
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arborist or a certified ISA arborist, um, demonstrating the tree to be hazardous. However,
uh,
he has stated that limbs frequently fall from the tree and several tree trimming companies have informed him that the tree is unhealthy and needs to be removed. Regarding replacement as a condition of granting a tree removal permit applicant is required to relocate or replace the trees, uh, with a equal number of trees, uh, of diameter, uh, at, uh, breast height.
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The option would be one tree at 40 inches or, um, since a tree is defined as a minimum of four inches, um, then, uh, that might,
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And whenever possible,
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a native species where possible. In addition, because the tree in question is an oak tree, uh, specifically in the public right-of-way,
uh,
the tree board's recommendation, uh, to council is to include a location and species of replacement tree.
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as an, in this case, oak tree, and have recommended a location at the corner of Manor Drive and Beverly Road. Um, not, I've added this in, but, um, this, I apologize if it wasn't in your original, uh, presentation.
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at their April 9th meeting, um, by Mr.
cost
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the board member, um, to answer, uh, the question of why Manor Drive and Beverly Road. Um, he had provided these photos.
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Uh, this one taken in 2016, and then this one taken in 2019.
Um,
so, at the, uh, the proposed permit was, uh, requested, uh, was heard, uh, by the city of Cocoa Tree Board, which is also the planning board, um, at the May 1st planning and zoning board meeting, and they recommended approval, uh, with those conditions. So the motion before you is approval of this removal permit for an oak tree in the right-of-way, adjacent to 2656 North Indian Road Drive,
for the
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replacement tree species and location determined by the tree board, uh, to be, uh, an oak tree and planted at the corner of Manor Drive and Beverly Road. And, uh,
John,
do you want me to address the other letter?
Yes, uh,
I,
another, there was the question out there regarding whether this, the city looked at it. Uh, we did ask, uh, because, uh, uh, and, uh, Mr. Dolphin sent an email today regarding, uh, the same issue, uh, in terms of, uh, the arborist, uh, looking at it, because there's no arborist report submitted with the application, uh, to remove the tree. And we did ask,
uh,
while not currently serving in the position that required him to be the city arborist before, uh,
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And, um, he looked at it and at the end
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Uh, he does some, I mean,
I
summarize it's a mature oak tree with some defects. Um, does note that, you know, efficient rooting space and uneven crown,
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but this tree appears otherwise to be healthy, but with signs of decline. There is some hazards and he does identify, you know, some of those hazards in terms that, that related to this tree.
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tree, if it was to fall, would have an impact, you know,
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provided and it was done on a short order notice, not a full in-depth, you know, report.
Thank you, sir. Thank you, ma'am. We got a, a member of cards here,
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I'm gonna go ahead and, these individuals come up and speak real quick.
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up here.
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in that neighborhood. And, um, my husband and I walked down to really take a good look at that tree. And, it,
it
is in line with the many beautiful trees that line Meridian Street, that line McFarland, and
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The only thing is
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the next big oak, and a little bit to the south on that side of the road. So, it, it's, holds a place there. It continues the line of oaks down River Road that we so much appreciate, that brings tourists, bicyclists from Cocoa Village, everything that makes our community special. It is, um, it has a character, it has a grandeur, and, uh, so we who live in the area, and those who visit, uh, take it pretty seriously, and we're hopeful that the concerns for our trees, and for our ‸ oak trees, um, are really upheld by the regulations that it's not just window dressing, that we can have a, a, a voice. When you take down a tree like this, you hurt the entire community, the sense of our properties, and this tree gives shade, it fills in the line there, and it's quite distinctive. So, there would have to be a really, really good reason, if any ordinance had held its salt, it was worth its salt, that, to take a tree like this down, because it's very valuable to all of us in the community and in Cocoa. So, what could be a reason to take it down? Well, we, we looked at the issue of, uh, the potential, potential developer, uh, having a drive. He has room for a drive. The tree is not in the middle of the property. Uh, it,
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and, and there's plenty of room, so it couldn't be that. Is it a dangerous tree? Well, um, every tree down on the river road, every oak has at times lost branches, and so far, I mean, they've
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an ISA arborist to be a threat. Uh, the, the man who, who, who, uh, was not an ISA arborist, he said it's, it's gonna ‸ fall. I mean,
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He is not an ISA arborist.
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And, uh, finally, the, the, the final point is, this developer has no plan at, at present. He hasn't submitted a plan. He's promising that it will be maybe a year and a half, two years, three years. You
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one chance. When it comes down, there's no bringing it back. I will not see it's like in my lifetime here. You can't replace it with a bunch of little saplings.
Thank
you. So there's always time to take it down. Yeah. Let's wait until he gives a plan until there's, let's think about it. All right.
Thank you.
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Um,
I'm healthy with some signs of decline. So somebody cut me down.
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but you
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You gotta be an ISA expert. You have to have ‸ another certification as, uh, a risk assessment. So I've been certified for over 20 years and I don't make tree assessments because I don't have,
uh,
last time I was trained was 15 years ago.
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you should, you need to amend it so that it's an ISA arborist with the credentials of a, um, assessment, risk assessment. Anyway, I don't expect to take much time, but, uh,
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so I could speak for both of us.
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the urban ‸ forest and what gives an individual or a city the right to remove or mutilate trees without proper procedure or qualifications.
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and saleability of our properties. Like Judy said, these trees affect the whole community, not only monetarily in value, but also emotionally and, and our physical health. You know, I'll get to that point. Citizens and municipalities should be confident that companies and individuals dealing with trees are qualified.
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‸ mislead citizens by claiming they are licensed and they are arborist. And this is, this is very bad because there is no licensing for tree companies in Brevard County or the state of Florida. You can go right to down to get a, uh, a business tax for $30 and call yourself an arborist.
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Like I said, I have over 40 years of experience in horticulture and 20 years as certified arborist.
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but I don't do risk assessment. And no one should unless you have the proper credentials. Okay, okay, here we go. Okay, this is not an issue of just one tree. It is a matter of culture and a matter of perception. We all perceive the world from different views. Let's try something, if you will. Let's do a little experiment, okay? Okay, let's imagine that you are designers, right? And I'm gonna ‸ give you a design project, an assignment, ‸ and see if this can alter your perception of reality. Okay, I want you to design something that uses solar energy, something that makes oxygen to sustain our lives, removes carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, changes nitrogen so it can be used to support life, distills water for rain and drinking, ‸ makes complex sugars and food and fuels many life forms, creates microclimates, houses organisms that reduce diseases such as malaria,
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West Nile virus, yellow fever, and encephalitis. And then I want you to throw in something like, it changes colors with seasons and it self-replicates. Okay, see if you can design something like that. Well, we don't have to. This has already been designed. It's a tree or trees. This is literally beyond the capacity of our intellect to fully understand, literally.
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It is a miracle.
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It is our moral responsibility to protect these beautiful beings. That's it.
Thank you, sir. Thank you. Next up,
we
have Barbara Kinsey.
I guess I would like
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Okay. Dennis Charles. May I make
the
same request?
I think they want me.
Okay. Linda Dolphin.
Thanks. First of all, hi.
Hi, I'm Linda Dolphin, [address], and I wanted to turn in
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tree report that I had done by a certified arborist, as well as a type of arborist that Walt recommends, because when I went to him to see if he would actually evaluate the tree for me, he said, no, I can't do that type of work. So this is a person that does that type of work all the time, has some testing done, and I'm going to turn it in for your review. But in order, just to be quick, I wanted to kind of let the audience know what was in that report. So we've certified his abilities. So I'm going to skip my first two paragraphs to make this quicker. So, but this is basically the following points in that report. First of all, at the tree board meeting, they couldn't even determine that the tree was a live oak.
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old. Simon Stratford administered a chlorophyll fluorescence test to 20 leaves after ‸ inspecting the tree and concluded that the tree is healthy. So now we have three arborists saying that the tree is healthy, despite what the tree trimmer and the lot owner said.
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these ants came out of one of the limbs that was cut off. So Simon says, evidence of ant colonization does not necessarily indicate the onset of the structural failure of the tree's canopy. He says this tree should have no greater ‸ likelihood of limb loss than any other of the similar oaks on the street.
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of this tree in the future after the house is built than if it were removed today. It is important to the continued health of the tree to cordon off the surrounding area, however, around the tree during construction, leaving only the roadway, which currently is serving access to the lower area of the property.
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which has been sitting out there for months. I would think that would be against code ‸ enforcement, but we have to get that equipment off. We have to carton off around the tree. We have to make sure that no further limbs are actually taken off. He also recommends pavers in lieu of impervious materials once the building is up. The tree should then be tested again after construction to see that it's continuing to remain in good health. And then he can do further tests for you if you need. He says they're not necessary. He can do a test that will determine that the core of the tree is not hollow. And
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and if for some reason you're unwilling to take this report today, he's willing to come here next week and speak before you if you'll invite him. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Okay, Mr. Charles.
Thank
you. Good evening. I'm Dennis Childs. I'm actually Linda's husband. And I echo what she just said. And this particular
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is also an assessment, is qualified in the assessment end of things as well. So one of the things that I wanted to point out, and the reason I wanted to come after Linda, is that there is a potential problem in the future that I think is very important to address now. And I think if you vote in the end to preserve the tree, this has to be one of the things that may be incorporated in with your motion, the consideration of this problem. And that is the septic system. My understanding is that a septic system
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There just isn't enough room at the top to put in a drainage field and avoid it being right next to the tree and over the root system. And whether it can be put down near the lagoon, you know, a septic system, I'm not sure. I just don't know the regulations, but I doubt it. So what I would like to avoid is having the project merrily go along. The health department issue a permit for the septic system two years down the road and have the developer builder say, well, look, I've got a horrible hardship here. I have all this money invested in a house that's up and so on, and
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and have then, at that point, the tree having to be cut down to accommodate the septic system. So I wanted to alert you to that just so that it could be considered at this time. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir.
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Barbara Kinsey.
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And I am here also to
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I want just to point out to you that it is clear that we have evidence that the tree is healthy. And please take into account that the evidence has been provided by a professional that is trained in conducting tree assessment and evaluation, and we should rely on expert assessment to make a decision here. I think it's very important to have trained professionals in tree assessment to evaluate the health of our trees in our community in general, because they are an invaluable asset to our community, and we should do the best we can to protect them. And it is important also to consider the precedent that we are going to establish here,
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we should rely on science and the latest technology to evaluate our community trees.
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the health of the tree, concluded ‸ that the tree physiologically is healthy. And he also, as you will see in the report, pointed to other aspects of the tree, such as the root system also. And he also referred to other tests that are available in form of sonic tomography and ERT to determine the integrity of the trunk column, but from the external signs exhibited by the tree, he did not see the point of this test.
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be required. He would also be very happy to come here and talk to the council if you have any questions.
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rely on these scientific methods, because they are available, they are out there, and we should do that, because the trees are so important, again, to our community. Thank you.
Thank you.
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Council. What is the wishes of the council?
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Uh, no, actually,
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credentialed, but he, well, he said there may be some defects, but he said the tree appears otherwise to be healthy. He just felt it was important that, you know, that we, as staff, provide you some basis, since it was not a report submitted with the application. ‸ The
advocate here? Thank you, sir.
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comments. One, we've lost an awful
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along the River Road lately. And we had a brand new house built not too long ago where they lost an absolutely magnificent magnolia tree because the contractor was not careful in preserving that tree. And I agree with Mr. Broslin. this is something that we need to look at, at least maybe under the auspices of the planning and zoning board. um Because we are going to lose more healthy trees to construction that um don't need to be lost. I understand if this tree is going to prevent this home from being able to be built that it that it may need at some point to come down. But, um I watched a whole bunch of healthy trees come down on Beverly not too long ago. And
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the end of their life. And I know trees have a life. And this tree is 200 years old. It probably is at the end of its life cycle of what you would expect the live oak to live. But if it's healthy. It's not going to fall on somebody's head. Why are we going to take it down? I just. I mean, if it was on my property and it was preventing me from building a home, I might. But if it isn't preventing the home from being built, it isn't preventing.
then I don't see any reason to take it down. But we definitely do need to make sure that in construction these trees are protected. And we're evidently don't have anything in any of our ordinances to protect trees during the construction process. And if nothing else, we just need to educate our public that they need to let their contractors know that they expect the trees to be protected when
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So I I'm not inclined to vote in favor of taking this tree down at this time unless the applicant can Can show me that he can't build a house without it coming down
Thank you, ma'am. The only thing I was seeing was that this concern was the health of the tree I didn't see any other concerns other than the health of the tree reports we have
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But
I'm off for planting that other tree at manor in Beverly I Don't think we need to wait to take this one down to plant that one
just woman costs
Yeah, I was gonna ‸ say the on the report
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due to a paved roadway well that applies to every Tree a north Indian River Drive
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another argument Is that its proximity to aerial power lines limits the city's ability to maintain it safely that applies to all of those beautiful oaks along Indian River Drive
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I'm quickly in decline here As this meeting is going on I you know, I would vote Against this and I have some concern about Our ordinance because I tried to look at this really confusing
Um
The I know that we modified it we changed it a while back, but you know, I would like to see that looked at again With more of a fine-tooth comb in fact
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consider and ‸ Was brought to my attention that in fact we did pass a resolution at one point to be Tree City USA It was I think in 1994 and we're gonna
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We're gonna make efforts to come back and be that again because I don't think this homeowner ‸ even the one on
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know, I think it's people just have Well They may come from different backgrounds and have different aesthetic values But what people really don't understand
are
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what the ecosystem services are that this tree is providing to the entire community And you know, that's in stormwater management. That's in Shade cooling the street, that's in providing habitat, that's
in aesthetics.
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So hopefully if we're Hopefully tree city USA would allow us to do a little more of that education
Thank you ma'am
Mayor sorry to talk so
long. I'm sorry.
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In speaking with our planning ‸ zoning manager the property owner was not contacted and the Planning
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meeting between that so staff is asking that possibly you would consider Tabling this until we can't get a hold of the property owner and he can come and speak on his behalf. I apologize for that
Yeah, yeah, yeah
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if the
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not healthy that he provide His own assessment with the credential that you know the tree of the risk assessment credential as mr. Roslyn indicated Yeah,
because that was the only concern I was saying that he had was that the tree wasn't healthy
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So
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council to say you
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a arborist report
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there was a lot more than just what you know being an I say certified arborist
Sounds good to me do we need a motion
I think the table it and request that it come back at such time that the applicant can provide the report
Okay, so I'll make a motion that we table this that we invite the applicant to come back that
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with the arborist credentials to make this analysis Thank you
we
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a motion from councilwoman costs Second second from councilman going all
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Aye Aye Opposed it passes unanimously and please don't bring up bringing that tree ordinance back because I'm telling you
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and uh, and I'm sure that But um, yes, it's it's a lot better than what we have but it's we spent some time on that so So, uh, but anyway, we're gonna move on to our item number four which is uh,
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But I'm gonna move on ‸ item number four
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and finance director
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All right, sorry mayor and council Um this agenda item is requesting uh res approval of revillette of a resolution To amend the budget
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Um, if you all will recall there was a stormwater workshop and at the workshop staff was directed to Kind of go back to the drawing board and come up with a tiered approach for the stormwater fees. And so this Budget amendment is necessary to provide funding for
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perform revised method of Calculating what the stormwater fees are And through this method they'll go back and look at each property a residential property in the city and determine the Impervious areas in order to come up with that tiered structure that was discussed at this
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Thank you ma'am.
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I thought they'd do this for
nothing
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but
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guess I was wrong. How much is it? Well, I'll just I just let you know there's about
300 hours of just Working hours. I think they indicated of just the the the gis person doing the analysis Let alone the quality control
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‸ Yeah, especially
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all in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed the passage unanimously Okay, thank you ma'am and I remember five is a multi-year contract administrative services
Yes, sir um, this will be a quick one.
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should be This is requesting approval of the second contract modification with
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group as the city of
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record by mutual agreement between the city and
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Group to extend the term
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Just a little bit of background. The city put out
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We had a committee to evaluate the request for proposals for new brokers february and um at the end of those review of the Proposals that we received and evaluating cost um It was hard to come up with the apples ‸ apples comparison of our current broker and online enrollment system that we use to Do our benefit enrollment So it was determined that the best interest of the city would be
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To get us through our benefit enrollment that is we're currently in the process for right now planning and then bring a new rfp out early next year To do the process again to get new cost quotes For the broker services, so
Thank you, ma'am.
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Mission
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all in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed it passes unanimously Okay, uh, you got your information agenda there Any advisory boards in committee reports
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Uh, no reports sir. Thank you,
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No reports sir.
Thank you, ma'am. No reports sir. Thank you, sir. No reports. Thank you, sir
I've only got like 20
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Um, but uh,
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um The emu in palm beach gardens um And also we have a memorial day coming up And this saturday, uh, we having a basketball tournament, um at one of our Crime stricken parks, uh in coco 6 p.m Um, with the help of coco police department, uh, thank you for chief for helping us out with that
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I think that's ‸ the really first time I know of that anyone does anything at night In that area, so I think we're Be shaking some things up hopefully In that area, so I have nothing else. That's it. Thank you.
Thank you, sir
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I welcome the florida sun co-op and meeting at the florida solar energy center before this meeting tonight So ‸ that's well underway there ‸ about 70 people in attendance, so it's Looking good also, uh
boys
girls club a great opening that was really impressive that facility um And then tomorrow, uh, there will be some Volunteer leaders, uh citizens pam will be one of them That will be meeting to talk about the coco tigers chorus and we're going to be a setting a date for the concert that will be at the village playhouse
Thank you thank you ma'am
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able to attend the services for um
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who was also a member of our Diamond square rda for many many years. I just wanted to say Thank you to the city clerk's office for a lovely proclamation and providing a um Display copy for the family as well as multiple other copies of the proclamation that could be shared with the family They really appreciate it lovely service the sheriff's office did a great job and For those of us who knew adrian and worked with him over the years. He's going to be greatly missed He spent a lot of years volunteering for the city of coco
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community as
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play college and professional ball.
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going to miss him and I just wanted to say thank you to mrs. Sheely and her staff they Did a stellar job on the presentation for the family
And you as well ma'am because I i've heard it from a few folks that said you did an excellent job presenting that so
it was hard I knew adrian it was really hard as a matter of fact I spent a lot of hours with him at the florida redevelopment association meetings that we used to attend
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other members of the diamond square rda so We would sit down and talk about all those great ideas that he wanted to bring back to coco so it was
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uh he reached out to me back in the 90s when my brother-in-law was murdered and We kind of got close after that so I appreciate the opportunity to do it too. Thank you Thank
you ma'am and I know the clerk's office has been very busy so big kudos to them they They're um
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and I look at it I'll say something like you don't want to know But when I leave there I leave there smiling and laughing so I really do appreciate them And
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But anyway uh
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Thank you sir and then I'm gonna be real quick I Had the opportunity to go to space coast health foundation for the 2019 Community Health Needs Assessment. Very interesting, very informative. We're gonna go I'm gonna actually go to the website or have to see the manager if you can't go to the website and pull some of that Information down
and
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give you some of that data because it was based on age it was based on Race healthy but declining yeah
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the national So uh very interesting a lot of good information um also I had I was a keynote speaker at the coco high school student government council Inauguration they were bringing in their new officers so I had the pleasure of doing that it was very good I really enjoyed it Just seeing the The parents and the students that were involved in the student government at coco high school I mean that school had really come a long way so I'm just really impressed by the stuff that's happening there And also If you all didn't know
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Um, we've had many of conversations I know he was in rehab here just a little while back and I was there visiting him prior to the elections
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gonna ‸ be greatly missed as well. He spent uh
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back in the 90s when I was on the cold board it was on the cold board with me as well and uh ‸ Really
enjoyed
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talking to him. He was a a great guy uh
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um Great golfer and ‸ retired from the the county parks and rec. So We're gonna ‸ miss him some big shoes to fill on that board
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Um want to be on the co-board that just go online to fill out an application so we can uh get that moving And also a big kudos to the police department, uh
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You know, it was a great event just seeing the kids coming up and the the popcorns ‸ and uh Mr. Dowell back there. He he's always out there. He did a great job as well as uh,
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Yes, we'll be doing the same thing
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So it was a great event and uh I'm just gonna ‸ leave it at that and uh, don't forget memorial day Captain ed is going to be speaking ‸ and uh, so uh, just Um bring out your umbrellas and your seats and uh parade before that
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And there will be a parade prior to that. I don't have the times or
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i'd like to entertain a motion motion to adjourn
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