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Cocoa CRA

Cocoa Community Redevelopment Agency Regular Meeting

Date
2023-06-05
Status
City minutes and machine transcript available
Source
CivicClerk event #788
Built from the City's minutes records — no AI-written text Briefing final

The City's record

What the City's record shows

Built only from the City's minutes (1031_CR_Reg_Minutes_06_05_2023.pdf). Page numbers are the minutes' own. Discussion is in the minutes' text; it is not summarised here.

Attendance (the roll call)

  • Listed present when the roll was taken: Mike Blake, Janne Etz, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss, Candace Rogers
  • Arrived after the roll: Lavander Hearn (the minutes note: “late”)
  • (Checked against the ballots and the printed roll lines; no independent membership list of this board is available to confirm that the roll is complete.)
  • Listed absent: Herbert "Rip" Dyal; staff listed absent: Anthony A. Garganese (Agency Attorney)
  • Also listed as present (staff and other roles): Kristin Eich (Agency Assistant Attorney), Ryan Browne (Recording Secretary), Stockton Whitten (City Manager), Charlene Neuterman (Community Services Director)
  • Named on at least one ballot later in the meeting: Alex Goins, ETZ, Lavander Hearn, Lorraine Koss, Mike Blake, ROGERS (participation, which can differ from the roll: arrivals and departures are in the minutes' text)

Adopted actions (8)

  • to approve the Agenda for the Regular Meeting of June 5, 2023, as written (moved by Lorraine Koss, seconded by ETZ); PASSED 5-0; ayes: Mike Blake, ETZ, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss, ROGERS; nays: none — the City's minutes, pp. 1–2
  • to approve the Minutes of the Regular Meeting of May 1, 2023 as amended (moved by ROGERS, seconded by Alex Goins); PASSED 5-0; ayes: Mike Blake, ETZ, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss, ROGERS; nays: none — the City's minutes, pp. 1–2
  • to approve the resolution (moved by Mike Blake, seconded by ETZ); PASSED 6-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Lavander Hearn, ETZ, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss, ROGERS; nays: none — the City's minutes, p. 3
  • to approve the resolution (moved by Lorraine Koss, seconded by Mike Blake); PASSED 6-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Lavander Hearn, ETZ, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss, ROGERS; nays: none — the City's minutes, p. 3
  • to adjourn the meeting (moved by Alex Goins, seconded by Mike Blake); PASSED; ayes: Mike Blake, Lavander Hearn, ETZ, Alex Goins, Lorraine Koss, ROGERS; nays: none — the City's minutes, p. 6
  • to Should we keep our property? (mover not read); PASSED 5-1 — the City's minutes, p. 6 Added from the minutes, page 6: the minutes' reader had not recorded this vote. Printed on page 6 of the minutes, after the motion “approve the resolution…”.
  • to Should we reword the RFP to be more open? (mover not read); PASSED 6-0 — the City's minutes, p. 6 Added from the minutes, page 6: the minutes' reader had not recorded this vote. Printed on page 6 of the minutes, after the motion “approve the resolution…”.
  • to Should Staff bring back quotes for a hospitality feasibility study? (mover not read); PASSED 6-0 — the City's minutes, p. 6 Added from the minutes, page 6: the minutes' reader had not recorded this vote. Printed on page 6 of the minutes, after the motion “approve the resolution…”.

Agenda (the City's wording)

The City's agenda for this meeting is on file (CR_Reg_Agenda_06_05_2023), but its item list has not been read reliably by machine yet, so no outline is shown.

Transcript Partial transcript

Machine transcription of the meeting recording. The words are the recognizer's, except where a passage is marked as corrected or machine re-recognized; most have not been checked against the audio, so words, numbers and names can be misheard. It describes what was said. It cannot establish who voted how, an amount or an outcome — the City's minutes do that (above). A time links to its passage, and “Copy link” copies that link. No recording can be started from here.

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[00:00:00] Speaker 1
To be in your presence. Lord, bless us as we go through this meeting that we make the sound
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bless us as we leave this meeting to make sure our houses are in order. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen.
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Amen.
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justice for all. May we do roll call, Mr. Brown.
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With the he. Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir.
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All right.
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Chairperson Blake. Present, sir. Vice Chairperson Hearn. Agency member Dial. Agency member Etz. Here. Agency member Goins.
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Here.
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Agency member Koss.
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Here.
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Agency member Rogers.
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Here.
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She can hear us. All right.
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All right.
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Thank
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you, sir.
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[00:01:14] Speaker 2
Proceeding on to item number two, approval of the agenda and minutes.
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What are the wishes of the agency?
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have a clue. I need to. Oh, yeah.
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[00:01:32] Speaker 2 + overlapping voice
Okay. Let me do agenda regular meeting of June 5th, 2023. Motion to approve. We have a motion on
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[00:01:39] Speaker 7
Second.
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[00:01:44] Speaker 2
Okay. Is your concern this agenda item? Okay. We have a concern.
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Go
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ahead, Mrs.
[00:01:50] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Oh, I'm sorry. This is for, would you repeat it again? Are we talking about the minutes or the agenda?
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Okay. Sorry. Thank you.
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unanimously.
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[00:02:13] Speaker 2
Now, proceeding on regular meeting of May 1st, 2023. You have some concerns there, Mrs. Rogers, ma'am.
[00:02:21] Speaker 6
Yes, just a little, uh, correction on page seven under Roman numeral seven updates and reports number five where it says member Rogers,
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it and then approve.
[00:02:53] Speaker 2
Okay. Second. Okay.
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We
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have a motion on the floor by agency member Rogers and
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[00:03:03] Speaker 2 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
All in favor by saying aye. Aye. The nays. Ayes have it unanimously. Proceeding on to ‸ item number three, delegations. First on deck, uh, Alex Greenwood. And next will be Brad Whitmore.
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[00:04:24] Speaker 8
reputable, obviously, because I'm very happy with where we are at. And I can provide more pictures, but this is something I highly recommend that the city needs to look into for potential vehicles to offer rides for people when we have these big tents. And they're not that expensive. We're talking about, depending on the kind of model you want, it's about $18,000. And that's brand new electric.
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[00:04:54] Speaker 8
So back to my original request, is this something that we need to put on the agenda?
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to try it. So what procedure do we need to take or do I need a consensus from the board?
[00:05:12] Speaker 2
Mrs. Noteman, ma'am, if necessary to hear from the attorney or city manager as well.
[00:05:19] Speaker 9 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
I'm not sure what exactly you want on the agenda. Are you asking the agency to purchase? Is that what you're asking?
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for right now, we need to set it up to where you are able to utilize and drive these vehicles in the downtown area. So that's...
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That would be a city council. You can't...
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[00:05:51] Speaker 8 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
But it's
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a city council ordinance that would have to be...
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And
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And
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and
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[00:07:56] Speaker 2
Thank you. Thank you very much.
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you. Do we have any other cards, Mr. Brown, for delegations?
[00:08:04] Speaker 3 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
No, Mr. Chairman.
[00:08:05] Speaker 2
Thank you, sir. This concludes this portion of delegations. We have no presentations. We
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[00:08:12] Speaker 2
Item number 5-1, request the agency
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[00:08:26] Speaker 2
camera and monitoring at the municipal parking lot on the North City Hall area. I definitely do support this, and I'm in favor of this.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, as you note, this is for the purchase of an additional camera, which will go into the municipal parking lot, a
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Hall. An additional camera will cover all of the areas that are necessary to ensure that we are able to monitor any activity that is needed during the times that there is activity in the parking lot. So, we are currently
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this camera.
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Do we have any questions for Mrs. Noodle? Senator,
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Chair,
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would like to make a motion to approve the request?
[00:09:37] Speaker 7
Second.
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Okay.
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I ‸ have an issue with the parking lot. You know I do.
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Okay.
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As you noted, we are asking for approval of a commercial facade improvement grant application for the address located at
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He has submitted all of the facade improvement grant application requirements. The application includes repainting of the exterior walls and the trim on the building, replacing the existing signage with new signage on the facade, replacing the signage on the front door, front glass and side glass, removing the damaged glass ‸ block window and replacing with appropriate glass block window to match the style and to install two exterior light fixtures for the rear wall. ‸ The applicant is proposing the total amount of the facade grant project would be just over $16,024. As you know, the application approval is for a one to one match. So based on once we receive all of the invoices and payments proof of payment,
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[00:11:49] Speaker 9
In accordance with article three of the commercial facade improvement program policy, the amount of any grant shall be determined at the
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discretion based on the following factors, the estimated value of the investment, the extent to provide that the private investment incorporates primary improvements versus ancillary improvements, the historical and cultural significance, the potential economic and fiscal impact of the proposed project and whether the applicant is a for profit or a nonprofit entity. As
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[00:12:21] Speaker 9
of Willard Street and Brevard Avenue. It is a very visible location for residents and visitors alike who are driving west on 520. So it is a prime location for improvement for the facade to ‸ show consistency with what we are trying to do as far as improving. Mr. Steinberger is present and can be available to answer any questions. Staff is requesting approval of this grant application in the amount not to exceed $10,000.
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Mr.
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a motion on the floor by
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Mr.
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all in favor of saying aye. Mr. Aye.
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welcome aboard. Ayes have been unanimous.
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Avenue RFP discussion with updates from meetings with several developers, request agency recommendation regarding the RFP guidelines. Over
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hotelers, and hospitals, hospitality investment executives related to the project and RFP for 603 Brevard. The following summarizes discussion points and or comments received on the RFP. ‸ The viability of the project. As you can see, it's on this individual page. And Mrs. Newteman, ma'am, and city manager, sir. I'm
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Thank you, Mr. ‸ Chairman.
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Yes, sir.
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Brian Dale, who's the city's purchasing manager, and myself met. I think we had probably four meetings, maybe five meetings in total with, as you mentioned, developers, hoteliers, and investment executives, folks who actually invest in
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the business. So with
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any proposed hotel or any project because it's it's less than an acre. and And so that limits what you can do on the site, what you can do in terms of meeting the requirements of a city code. We know that as a previously contemplated, to actually do 107 key hotel would require the acquisition of a private parcel to the south of it
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city controls. That's that's literally asking
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proposers to go out and and and have to acquire, ‸ again, what is a privately held parcel. Again, bullet point number two, the 100 plus room or key hotel would be difficult to achieve with a suggestion that may be a 60 to 70 key range is preferable. ‸ conversely, there was one set of developers that we talked to that thought
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not going to be able to break even financially. And so it was sort of a disconnect between the two on that particular issue there. Again, different perspectives, different experiences. Again, talked about bullet point number four. what A strong suggestion from two gentlemen that are have been in the industry for over probably 30, 40 plus years was that the CRA do its own market ‸ feasibility study and that study come from consultants that are in the hospitality industry. That's different than a potential developer or someone who's involved in the project actually doing it. They
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or not our market, the Cocoa Village, is right for a hotel. They talked about, what was the term they use demand generators. And so they could they could literally point out in each sort of section of section
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the sports complex. You know, that generates people and families and need for hotel rooms.
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the demand generators are or what they perhaps aren't you know so so there was a strong suggestion that the CRA commission its own feasibility study uh ‸ Talked about Hilton
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brand, but talked about that with regards to that Hilton and Marriott at this particular time are looking to expand their operations with regards to vacation rentals um as a part of a hotel concept. um ‸ And so we talked a lot about uh is
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Is it a mixed use multi-family Is it a mixed use with ownership? Or or any in in one suggestion was perhaps even some hybrid of that. It could be a mixed use hotel hotel with uh some ownership or some um some uh vacation rental components of it there. um um They were they were very strong in in saying that um beware of uh of uh um a uh development
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leverage i.e they
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have a significant portion of their dollars in the in the game um and i think later on we talk about that um Again, um and we've talked about this a lot, the the construction of the elevated parking, uh
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number that we consistently got was to build elevated covered parking. ‸ was going to cost you anywhere from 30
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so if you just do the simple math on that, uh we're asking for them to build 100 parking spaces at between 3 million and 4 million. in the land, uh
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1.550 million and
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the value of the
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parking through the value of the land is their point there. um
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and again, I'll highlight on the project, the market and feasibility study. And on the RFP, um ‸ suggestion was that it should be as open-ended as possible um
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with hotel or multi-family
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ownership, of different versions of ownership. you know
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or, or um you know again some some very combination of that. um They generally agree that something needs to be required in the form of uh of a proposal bond or a cash deposit i.e there needs to be any skin in the game to participate in the RFP from whoever whomever is going to uh propose there. And so, didn't get any recommendations on whether the
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But, again, that they didn't see, um I'll say most of the folks we talked to didn't see a problem with saying that, you know, there has to be a uh a bond or a cash deposit to be considered in the process. um And then generally agreed that the requirement number 10, which is, I'm gonna ‸ read that for you,
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The letter must stipulate that the proposal is currently bondable for a minimum of the project's estimated construction amount, but not less than the 30 million. They generally agree that that's not realistic for the developers developers. Developers aren't usually bonded. It's it's the it's the construction companies that are that are bonded there. And so, you know, whatever we go back on the street with, we'll have to modify that requirement. um
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to produce a conceptual site plan was not enough time. Recall that we had in the RFP that we want you to submit with your proposal, the conceptual site development plan. And we only left the RFP out there for, I think, 45 days. And so they said that, you know, um construction is still going pretty good. People are still pretty busy. Architectural firms are busy. Engineering firms are busy. And so you're going to have to give folks enough time or more time to actually come up with conceptual drawings. um And then this was ‸ from the investment uh uh executive. He said that, you know, financing for uh projects of this size are usually done through uh community banks, you know smaller banks. uh uh
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to get financing through those banks there uh because they're currently cutting back on the side. Those these this particular size of a project or these sizes of projects there.
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of the calendar year. And I think, charlene you and I were consistent on our notes and that he he did. You know, I guess he has a crystal ball that most economists don't have. And so he did feel like that would get a little better towards the end of the calendar year. Again, as I as i alluded to, you said inflationary costs and supply chain challenges are still very prevalent at this time. it says it's
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still, you know, it's better than what it was a year or two ago. But people are still having those challenges. uh One suggestion was that in
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references reference letters would achieve the same objective. Again, that was a suggestion uh from from one of the uh developers, one of the hoteliers there. um Again, I think I repeated this there, but again, multi-family a whole hotel component um um with not less than a than a hundred rooms there. So that's a repeat and probably not uh written very uh well. um
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with regards to, uh the loan to value are being leveraged there. um one set of gentlemen actually said that, um you
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that successful proposals proposals are subject to accepting accepting
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a 75 loan to value for the project. you know And so, you know again, you know takeaways are, yeah, there there there are there
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some clarifications, some some uh edits we can make to the RFP. But at this particular point in time, while we all like to think that, you know, a hotel is viable, we don't really know that, you know, because
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that have actually said that, yes, a hotel on that site would actually work for the market. um And again, um the other takeaway is to, to whenever we do go back, to
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sort of broad and wide open as as you possibly can in hopes of getting the sort of best proposal of whatever is the highest and
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think, as the city manager noted, the uh the feasibility study is something that the city, the CRA, has not conducted for that site um over the last 10 years. We required the prior developer to conduct his own feasibility study, a market study. And and so, more or less, that was one-sided because they paid they paid for their own market study rather than the city or the CRA paying for that market feasibility study. So, I think it it it is beneficial for us to know what the trends are right now and how do we move forward based on what those trends are.
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I have two lights on. um I'm not sure who went first, to be honest.
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the research that I've done from other CRAs uh ranged anywhere between
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70 000 depending on the size of the property, what exactly they were looking for in their economic feasibility study.
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least go out for some quotes to get some some good consultants that are capable of doing this.
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Yeah, that's that's a chunk of dollars too, isn't it? um so I do remember the market study that um
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argument ‸ for hotel on I don't know, just by talking with neighbors, I get the sense that you know, there's no question that a hotel would be a good thing. um
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guess is the issue. um
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don't know of cutting back on the size of the project.
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that that when you say changing the size of the project. um um i think you said that in regard to the the funding that's available from community banks. Is that because they're not doing the larger projects or they're not doing the smaller projects or
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project? ‸ His
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suggestion was that a project of this size, which, which I guess in his world was not a very big project. Okay. Those
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I couldn't remember credit unions earlier. And so he said that they're, they're, they're
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up on that funding, uh at this particular point in time. But again, he also felt like towards the end of this calendar year that they would, they would. be more active in in those size projects.
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Okay. Those are my questions.
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black and white. If what we hope would work would work. One of my issues is that if you're going to do multi-use including, you know, families or ownership or, you know, whatever the parking in the village is bad enough now that
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parkers taking up parking spaces without getting more parking spaces or offsetting the parking spaces. And it's a small enough space where I think that's going to be tough. And that also kind of segues into my
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parking that we're requiring, well, that wasn't anywhere near the cost back when we first proposed that idea. So I was a little disappointed in you know in some of these. I'm happy to see all this stuff, and
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was really kind of disappointed, though, that it that we've, I
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things have changed so much that now we're in a tougher situation to try to get what we think we want. So, I don't know. I just, I i just, am I don't want to see apartments. I'm not sure I want to see condos. We
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and they don't necessarily shop in the village. And from a merchant perspective, meh, you know? But on the other hand, if, if we get somebody to do a feasibility study, and we're specific, ‸ I don't know what we'd ask them. I mean, I don't.
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the course of days at various times and see what happens,
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feasible as, you know, it would be too general. I've
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a lot of them don't make sense or aren't actual real life for
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I'd like to see that. I'd like to see, you know, the black and white. But if we do, I, I'll be very interested to be sure that we instruct, you know, or, or put a bug in their ear about things. You need to experience the village in order to give us the actual information that we need. That
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make sense? Okay. I think that was it. okay
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you want to respond to her comment? Yeah, I just want to want to clarify because when we talk to uh and the two individuals that suggested this um own probably a total of uh
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properties there, and so uh as well as other businesses businesses there too. And so they said that there are actually hospitality industry consultants that would actually do a study specific to whether or not your market can support a hotel. Now,
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you know, so I was focusing on the hospitality industry consultants to actually look at the hotel, but
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sort of, hey, we have this parcel of land. ‸ what's the highest and best use for the parcel of land there. So, so, um I
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don't know that the hotel consultant can do, you know, can reach outside of sort of the hotel industry there.
[00:35:46] Speaker 7
Yeah, i I see what you're saying and I don't have a problem with a general feasibility study as long as the people looking at the village, look at the village and don't just go, oh yeah, there's that. And there's that and I see some cars and and they're done it. It would be nice if they'd come on a craft fair weekend. You know, this is what we live with and and there are multiple events throughout the year
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don't know. It's just we're very diverse in in both what we have and how things are. And I just I I I want somebody to get the real and
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to give us our highest and best use and and you know, and I would be interested to hear that. Thank you.
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I some of the things that miss et's uh expressed are things that I had concerns with also. um And I think the reason that we were so excited about a hotel is because when people come in and visit, they spend more money than they do when they're living in their own community. It's a new place. It's new things. So we're
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you know, maybe 9100 people checking in and out all year long. But we also know that we
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on um bed tax. We miss out on advertising. Sometimes we don't even know we're here. But those that do find us, they do love us. And ‸ we do have some other things coming up with the train and so on ‸ so forth.
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Is that ‸ more of a timeshare or is that a vacation club scenario? ‸ Vacation club scenario? Okay.
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‸ can I, can I?
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You know, they, they talked a lot about, um this sort of ownership component that is Airbnb something, you know.
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and I think, I don't know if timeshare is an outdated term now. But they did talk about an ownership, uh component that allows weekly rentals or some sort of turnover of rental. you know, in my mind,
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was a concept that was out there. You know, you could have mixed use, mixed use on the bottom, some retail, some commercial. You could have even a hotel component. And then you could even have an ownership component that functions like an Airbnb or, or just straight ownership. You know, so they had, there was a diversity of, uh ideas out
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I think if, if, it if it if
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I don't have a problem with that because I think it's telling you the same thing. We have Airbnbs all over coco
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I don't know if it's actually legal, but we have them. And
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I, I, I feel confident, I think that we could have a hotel, we could have, uh Airbnb combination, you know, whatever it is. I just would like to get going on it. um ‸ the other thing that I wanted to ask is what is our trade-off uh for the parking? ‸ parking, of course, we were going to say give us a parking garage. So where do we satisfy that? um Is it only going to be parking for the people who are in the hotel or the Airbnb? Do we get uh parking somewhere else in the village? Do we get a trolley that those people pay for and they rotate throughout the village to take people so that we don't have to have, you know, these exact same, you know, number of proposed as we did in the past for a parking lot? I
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an agency, looking for to provide that. What what are what is the developer going to provide for that ‸ equivalent. Right.
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Because if you remember, this was a, we give you the
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again, and and i I think they're all being honest, you know, when they say
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now per spot, you know, and so, and so, you know, I think back, back when, I don't know when you started, I wasn't here when you started, but,
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And so, and so, ‸ you know, this proposal has always been, we give you the land, you give us the public parking and ‸ then you can go and build a, uh a revenue producing product, you know? um so, you know, do, do you, I forget client
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told me how many spots we have, uh surface spots there. Do you, do you reduce that number down to 50 now, you know, and, uh and, uh you
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you know, I don't know, somebody may be willing to pay you more, you know, just for the privilege of, uh having the hotel or, or whatever uh project there, you know? So, um you know, that's, that's a dilemma because, because they're, you know, we don't have a whole lot of spots to park you and, and, bus you in from in the village.
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Well, we
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Open lot. I mean, we could build up.
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Yeah. You're on
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it's Okay. Relax. We'll put a substation in there for you. Anyway, I just wanted to know what our trade-off would be in regards to parking and so and so forth.
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Okay. ‸ Let me ask a question and I recognize you're like
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Through this feasibility, it will answer a lot of our questions. Best opening practice for us or the
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usage. It would address parking. It would address multi-family type. conditions, living conditions, uh
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of that?
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I think so. I think it's how are how is the agency in the city going to get the best bang for their buck, right? um for the property? What, what is the best scenario or scenarios for that purpose? And that'll help us draft an RFP that is more complete to, to meet that need.
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Yeah. And I think generally they're,
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‸ hotel,
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you know, you need to figure out what your demand generators are.
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demand generator or as a demand generators there? uh is
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aerospace? They mentioned u triple S a, uh again, out in the, uh they mentioned the beaches. You know, those are all, uh people are coming to those and obviously need a, need a place to stay as they're, as they're partaking of those, you know? And so, um you know, they, they were, they were very adamant about, again, that point that, you know, um identifying your demand generators and going specifically to a hospitality industry consultant to do a feasibility study.
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So, so, ‸ in essence, this feasibility will render all the concerns that we've all discussed
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first thing I would like, um ‸ just want to make sure I got that understanding.
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we have a card from the public and then we'll wrap this up and give, uh
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um So when I think about the, um what the property is worth and what we're asking for a developer, they're losing out on the end. And we're trying to, um just my opinion, we're trying to have a stronghold over developer and say, okay, we have this property and you have to do what we tell you to do, right? But on the
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sell the property, use those funds that we recoup from that, whatever that may be, could be, it could be
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don't know. And maybe use that for parking that we have already allocated, which is uh maybe pave some of the areas that
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‸ parking garage. We talked about that as well. and I know that's a difficult conversation, uh especially for you, but. It's tough for a developer to do what we're asking them to do. That's, and I know sometimes when we sit up here, we don't necessarily worry about the developer, but they worry. because they worry about the bottom line, which is money, whatever they're going to do is it's going to be a fun generated project. That's what it's for. They're not here just for us. It's going to be, they here for themselves too. So I know, I know we, we want to, um put those parameters on them, but I'm just thinking from their side, that's why we don't have people jumping at the bit at this project. You know, we, we love downtown
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a lot of people just don't have that same love when they, at the bottom line is a dollar. You know what I'm saying? I'm
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that we consider just selling the property for whatever that's worth. If that's if that's 1.5 that's 2 million just 2.4 whatever it may be and use those funds for something else. That's just my, just my opinion.
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All right. I see, uh we're gonna go at Councilwoman
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She had a light on and we'll move on. to you. Okay.
[00:47:47] Speaker 4
Yeah, just gonna ‸ go back, um to the Genesis for a moment. It is
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are on that lot now or could be. um When
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was a good proposal. I think was uh that ‸ was a mixed housing, condos. We
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ourselves in this situation. um Thinking
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by my other um agency members, the RFP, developing an RFP for market study, putting it out, and then getting the final product back. If I recall, when we did that
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two uh appraisals or uh two assessments of the highest and best use for the five acres. um Two. Yeah, well,
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‸ Yeah, appraisals. But we did a highest and best use, right?
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what was it One of those was. It was
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very detailed.
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It was an appraisal based on highest and best use.
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Yeah. um But, I mean, to develop that RFP, get it out there for, you know, what, 60, 90 days, and then get the product back. We are talking about another year before we know if we really want a hotel there or what. I'm not so sure that just doing the an open RFP right now, maybe, and taking these suggestions into account, you know, extending the amount of time it's out there, the window, to respond to it, that ‸ let the market decide and come back to us, and then we still have the option for a final approval.
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If we do a feasibility study, is it assumed that whatever that feasibility study is, that's what the market, how the market will respond as well?
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Well, well again, I was referring to hospitality feasibility study there. ‸ And so, you know, if you if you're gonna, if
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and say, well, what's the highest and best use? Well, you might as well do the open RFP and let, and let the, the proposer
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tell you what highest and best use is. And so, um you know, again, if so if I were going to, you know, we can go get you quotes in a timeline for uh a feasibility study. Again, if you want to zero in
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can do that. If you want to do general, we can we can do that. and And then we can work on an open-ended open RFP and bring those back at the same time.
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that the, the uh investment uh guy said that, you know, the market for these types of uh projects, uh financing uh market is going to open back up in the end of this calendar year. So, you know, it may be fortuitous that, you know, these things happen the way they happen. and And so, um so that, that would be, you know, my suggestion that we go out, we get some quotes for uh hospitality. We go and see if, if uh we can get some quotes for a sort of general feasibility. You guys can weigh those and then we can have a draft RFP that, that talks about, hey, give us uh what you consider your best proposal for that site. um Whether it's mixed use uh hotel, whether it's mixed use, hotel some ownership whether it's
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it's mixed use uh ‸ you know um and so, you know, that, that would be, you know, just based on, on the conversations that we had, uh my best uh recommendation to you. ‸ and, and, and
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had uh loads of expertise and experience, you know. I mean, they talked about, I'm just looking back at my notes from one meeting there that,
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uh for, for individuals, you know. i I don't know, we can, we can sort of track that with our own personal spending habits, but, you know, they talked about extended stays, uh live work loss. um You know, again,
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was one of the sites that they suggested that we go look at. uh They told us to look at the uh
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wow I don't think there's any real need for us to look at. It's
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uh But, you know, gave us good examples and, and again, just good input. but But it seems to be that,
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in through a feasibility study on uh on a hotel industry or, you know, or you're going to just have this RFP that says we're looking for ‸ highest and best use in marketplace. You tell us what that is.
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I just wanted to um
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then going off and doing something else with one of the lots that we have. And I understand that. However, I think our purpose here is to generate, redevelop the community. And if we just took the money and said, over here, we're going to build some parking, free parking, I don't see that really as our best return of investment. I'm really focused. ‸ we haven't had
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We do these little projects. I see more money going out than coming in. So I'm just, you know, I'm
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to be successful because then we will be successful. So I just want to make that clear. I'm not trying to beat up anybody. But, um but that's, that is our goal. goal And we must do that because we're not really doing what I think our job is, is that's to bring in some big dollars. And the only way you can do that is do a big project. It's not painting the road or whatever. That makes it look pretty.
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And I'm ready to go. So that's all I had to say. Thank you.
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Okay.
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All right. any other Any other comments from the agency member for
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it over to the public Now I'm seeing two gentlemen right here on the front row. with they here previously, once before? Are these?
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Well, they they they submitted the proposal. Right. We had a meeting with them. They gave us some some good ‸ input on project and the RFP. Okay. Thank you, sir.
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but Mr.
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even submitted a plan. And from that information, you all have to realize that this $20,000, $30,000 per spot is what it costs in a multi-story parking garage. It is not that on one level. And the way that you can solve the problem about replacing the 135 spaces that I provided to Jan before she was on the board and she was part of the Main Street program, the John
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that is what I proposed and found that it could be restructured, restriped
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It's already paved. You just got to enhance it. And that's not part of this project, this ‸ property. That's important. That's something that you could require to put the parking that we are interested in replacing what we're going to lose, which is 135 spaces. We can make up for it there as a contribution by whoever's going to do the project. That's a possibility.
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selling the property is priority. I really think that you all should sell it. But I will give you an example about the feasibility study. Again, you all have ‸ stated what needs to be there. You've created the height requirements. Now, if I go buy a piece of property and all the zoning is there, ‸ well, then I need to follow basically on what the zoning is there for. But I don't need a city to tell me what the city thinks you should build there or not. That is the other point about the feasibility study. And it's expensive. All right. ‸ Now, nobody is going to buy a piece of property that they don't do their homework or feasibility to see they're using
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the highest best use on a $30 million project. Absolutely not. You hit the nail on the head, Alex.
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Now,
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I'm sorry. I got a few more things. It's important. The mixed housing that was started
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You don't remember. But that's exactly what they were doing. ‸ Retail on the bottom, residential on the top, and they lost their shirts. Nobody wanted it. The
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Let the person that's going to buy that property or put the project there,
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You let the person who's buying it, let them be the ones to do that. It's time and money for the feasibility study. I don't agree with that at all. Thank you.
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to, I mean, you know, the feasibility study was recommended by, again, hoteliers that are building hotels right now. I mean, today they've built probably nine hotels.
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Their question was, well, how do you know that your market will support a hotel, you know? And so that was their suggestion. You know, the ‸ appraisal for the property, and I don't know that I talked to all of you about this, ‸ but we got an initial appraisal that had a lower price on it and called the appraiser and said, hey, you know, I think that's low. And so we beat them up on that.
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a mind to sell there, please don't focus in on that appraisal price because
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So, and so the swap for the sale of the land is, again, you know, and members of the audience may differ with me on this, but if I'm selling to you and this is about redevelopment there, I'm going to put a caveat on the sale that
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got to build something of value within a certain period of time. You know, I'm not going to dictate to you that that's a hotel or, you know, what type of a structure, but ‸ you got to do something ‸ within a certain period of time because, again, that's the value of selling for redevelopment. And then you could use your dollars to actually go and do other redevelopment activities, which one of which is parking is a redevelopment activity. So just my, my comments.
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Thanks, sir. Yes, sir.
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‸ Eric Lyons, Cocoa Village resident.
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So my question to you. So, um, you
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also cutting down on the amount of rooms and the height of the building. Correct.
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Well, I mean, those would go hand in hand. If you had less rooms, you wouldn't need to go as high.
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So, but initially
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Eight. Eight. But it was, was it less rooms than what we was? It was the same. Well,
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the proposal. And again, that was just, you know, when you, when you start stacking floors, you know, a hundred and the,
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it was just economically, it worked out a little better because you,
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the middle, you're having rooms on both sides is cheaper to build
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having rooms on one side. So the 125 ended up being that number, but when we met with a city manager,
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you know, especially to, to fit on that property that it needed to be in the 80 range. But, you know, generally, you know, the, the comments, um, the more restrictive you are in the RFP, the fewer responses you're going to get. I mean, that's just the way the world works. Well, that's what, I guess that's what my question is
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going to go
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so inside
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the stores, the
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No,
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actually, actually, you've got some, there are two different types of construction where the costs are vastly different.
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on top of the garage, which requires a concrete construction method called post tensioning. That is extremely expensive.
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The city manager was talking about up in the $40,000 per spot range. When we came in with our most recent proposal, we were rearranging the elements on the site to where we actually had the garage. To the south of where the hotel building would be so that you could build a precast garage structure, which is considerably less expensive, but it still is, you know, 25 plus.
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that the people who are dealing with the contractors and developing and building, uh, you know, have the latest information about what the, the most feasible way to do things.
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‸ okay. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah. I would just, I just wanted to just to ask that question.
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just like he said, the same thing, the more restrictive we are, I do understand. We want something that's appealing to the eye. That's going to be beneficial to the village. I agree with that 100%, but we're, we're going to continue the same road over and over and over again. If we continue down the same path and we know you do things over and over again, expect a different outcome is the definition of insanity. And I don't want to be a part of the insane behavior. We all want something there, but we just cannot continue the same road. We
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open and, and, you know, to what was can be there.
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be for parking or something like that. It could be like, um,
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glad you said that about building in the community, right? We talked about, uh, last month, uh, in certain areas with inside the ‸ CRA,
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that are not up to par. Okay. That could be used for that, which
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saying building up the community, which is within the CRA, which is the entire CRA. Um, so that's, that's where I am on it. I'm not sure where everybody else is, but I just,
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than require a developer to come in to build something, um,
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Or are we going to, you're going to continue getting, we got what, how many times, how many ‸ got the first time?
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Okay. Second time.
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One. I'm just, I'm, I don't want to be the dead horse. I'm just, I'm just, if we continue doing it over and over again, you're going to be the same thing happen over again. No matter how much passion we have for this downtown Cocoa, no matter how much we love it. No, it doesn't matter. Developers don't care about how much we love it. They want to make dollars. And if they don't see the dollars can be ‸ made here, no matter what we want, it doesn't matter.
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know I don't have 30 million dollars. So I refuse to tell a developer what he can or cannot do with that 30 million dollars. So I'm just, I just want to reiterate that and just, just my thoughts on it. I
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but that's just how, that's just how, that's just how I feel about it. No,
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It doesn't matter the passion that we have for the city of Cocoa, downtown Cocoa. The developer does not have the same passion. He's coming in and trying to build something to make him multi-million, multi-billion dollars out of that 30 million or whatever amount he may have to get. Loans and all these different things. He does not have, him or her does not have the same passion for it. So, thank you.
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Agency member X.
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Don't,
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No,
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yeah, I, I am not even close to wanting to sell it at this point. I would much rather see a more open RFP and see what kind of proposals we get for what the market thinks the highest and best use might be.
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I think that we can ‸ still do the swap and it would be beneficial to us and beneficial to whoever develops whatever they develop. I
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you know, mindset. I am. I'm, I'm really trying to do that. However, it can't just be about the developer. It has to be about the businesses and the community, the people who live and work and play and recreate in Cocoa village. So I want somebody to come in and make money, but I, I don't think that making money and being passionate about building something cool in Cocoa village are exclusive. I think that I think that they're, you know, the right person hopefully is out there. We've, we've been too restrictive
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do a hotel and do this and make this and, you know, has to fit here and whatever. So I'm, I'm open to let's see what the market says. I'm hoping the market doesn't say let's build a condo or an apartment complex. If it does, I will consider it then you, I can be convinced I'm not there yet. I definitely don't want to sell the property. I think that I don't want to tell people what to do, but I want to have control over what's done. Does that make sense? There's a difference. Um, I don't want somebody to say, uh, to, to just buy it. Then, then we really don't have a say in what they build as long as it's to code. And it fits in whatever is there. You know, it could be, I
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Um,
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passionate about it. So, but I am, but I am open-minded. I am willing to, to hear what can be done. I would, I can live without a feasibility study. If in fact, um, as
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in whatever the open-ended RFP brings, that's fine with me too. I
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and talk to you and, and, you know, express some of these ideas because it's not my area of expertise.
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hotel,
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don't know, maybe,
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maybe.
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Yeah. I, yeah. Oh,
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I, the money is there if we need to do it.
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if we find that we need to do it, I don't want to be in this same place yapping about the same stuff a year from now, but. I think the city manager's last proposal was bring back a couple of quotes on this ‸ to the two different kinds of, of feasibility studies and some notes on a, or a proposed more open RFP and to the next meeting. And we can talk about it then I, that would be ideal for me. I ‸ can live with that. And that's, thank you.
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council going, is your life still on? Do you want to. Okay. Agency
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Then councilman goings, and then we're going to make some direction. We're going to make a
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decision. If I'm not mistaken, even if say, um, and I'm probably in a minority about selling it. I'm okay with that. But even
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we still can put stipulation inside the contract on what. That. Could potentially
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be. Am I correct? Yeah. I think you can, but Christian, if you're still there, can you weigh in on that?
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Certainly. Oh, can you hear me?
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Yes. Okay.
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Certainly you could include restrictions on the uses, um, in, in a deed of sale. Um, the board should just remember that we have to comply with the, uh, disposition, disposition of property, uh, statute for CRAs. And, you know, we'll need to make sure that the use, um, is something that complies with the redevelopment plan itself.
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Okay. Okay. Thank you. Um, the next thing I had was, um, so, um, successful
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hotels. Successful
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offering to build another successful hotel. To me, it letting us know that this may not be the site for that thing, but this doesn't mean that nothing can be there. Right? I think condos,
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but I just want,
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just, you know what I'm saying.
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So the last meeting we had, we all agreed to, uh, take some feedback from the people that's in the hotel industry. Um, we got some great feedback here. Um, with the exception of the, the feasibility, uh, or
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I would love to see us to try to go back out for our P taking some of this input that we have here. Um,
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a study
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look like ‸ price wise, um,
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that yet. If you bring back some, something, you know, maybe it'll change my mind, but I think we got some good input here that we could, uh, utilize in a new RFP. Um,
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uh, I
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but okay. Thank you, sir.
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Okay. I've been listening to everyone and, and, and I'm a firm believer ‸ bird in the hand is better than two in the bush. Um,
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think we should be maintaining our own property so we can have the outcome so that we can have a voice in the decision making of our property. Um, I'm looking at the overall picture. ‸ What's
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You can see they're clearing their land. Uh, we've been clear of all restrictions are
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Um, we can also talk about potentially what's getting ready to happen. Just
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east of here. So to me, for us to have our own future and dictate what our future should be like, I think we should still keep our property, be able to use it at the best high end usage of it. That's, that's just my own assessment. So,
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this horse now. Now to do, I think, I don't know if you want me to do it individually. Do we want to keep our property? Yay, nay or in between?
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You get what I'm saying? Do you want me to go through this process? Because I still want what is best for this area.
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RFP. And I, and, and we, we know it's coming. The state of Florida is the third fastest growing state in the union. So, and we know looking at property and that, and they're buying up all the property
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districts, one, two, three, and four. So, so the thing is we have to get it right this time.
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in district one. It's in the downtown area. So we have to get it right. There's no second or third or fourth chance. And I just think by securing our future, we should maintain our own property and still have input. That's where I stand
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on this issue. So,
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a consensus on, do we want to keep our property first?
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Is that fair and equitable? Sure. Yes, sir.
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Okay. Now there's how many people are two, four, six. Okay. So come on now. I'm just laying it up. I've been sincere, straightforward with you because if it three, three, boom, it's in a time.
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still stagnant. It won't
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be a time.
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Okay. Then I would like to have the consensus. Should we keep our property? Would you say, raise your hand and say yes.
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Yes.
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Okay. We, we, we keep your hand up so that they can make sure you got me. Okay. We maintain our property. Can we have
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‸ two hands? Sure.
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‸ Okay. The, the, the next question, I think it helped me understand
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Is that a safe assessment? Yes.
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Okay. All right. I just want to make sure I cover all my bases. If there's anything that staff
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or attorney you think we need to address, or you think maybe you put, you know, I just want to make sure we're moving in the right direction. If
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particular piece of property. Raise your hand.
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So this young man can see I'm in favor of it. Look.
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Yes. Okay.
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Okay. I'm trying to go through that whole process. Okay. Okay. Because
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Let me read it. See it. I got it. Let me comprehend it. Now here's the third and most enticing point. All right. What else do you need? Mr. City manager,
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city staff. Well,
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we had talked about the open ended, the open RFP and then getting you guys some quotes from hospitality consultant for a feasibility study and then general consultant for best and highest use study, which again, a general consultant may not be needed. If you're going to do an open RFP, you're going to get sort of highest and best use there. So, so we bring back quotes from a, uh, hotel industry consultant on prices for hotel feasibility study.
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Do we have any questions pertaining to his statement? Are we all in favor of his, his comment, his assessment?
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Yeah. Bringing back quotes for a hospitality feasibility study, a hotel feasibility study.
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Okay. Okay. Do we, uh, do we need to take a consensus or we can, we all fundamentally agree on that right
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now?
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Wait. That's all right, man.
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‸ He's a
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in advance.
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That's,
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yeah. He's playing chess.
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All right. Are we consistent
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that? All in favor? Raise
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just. Aye. Aye. Thank you. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's unanimous. Okay. What else do you need from us before we move on and listen to the attorney's report?
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We're good.
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the facade program. Very good, young man. Okay. This concludes this portion of action items. Attorney report. Mrs.
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No report, sir. Thank you.
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Yes, ma'am. Thank you, kindly, ma'am. Updates, staff, reports.
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Okay. ‸ All right. Did
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I'm sorry.
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Oh,
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sure. Oh, yeah. You
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Okay. Good. I'm sorry. Thank you.
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All right.
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CRA Monday, July 10th.
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a light on. Oh, you have your light on? Okay. Okay. Go ahead. Agency
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I'm sorry. Oh, okay. This.
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Oh,
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okay. Okay. Um,
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so I've, I passed out and I do have, if anyone in the audience want a copy of this, I'll give it to you after we're done. Um,
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Um, cause I've, the last couple of meetings I've just been discussing, um, how the CRA should be performing with a slum and blight. Um, over the last X amount of years since CRA has begun, we have not addressed those items in the consent decree area. And so
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um, why the consent decree was even, um, addressed. Um, so, and I know it'll probably come back to us in another, in another meeting. I just, I, I, my suggestion to staff, I know we do our priorities. I don't think we need to give the, the board members even an option for that not to be a priority as far as affordable housing in certain areas. Um, because of the simple fact since the inception of the CRA, we have not addressed a slum and blight.
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Uh,
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so that was, that was,
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just
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reason I passed this out. Um, because of that reason so that when it comes up, it won't cause we had a member that is not here.
[01:24:49] Speaker 2
Right.
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Um,
[01:24:50] Speaker 1
I said ‸ some things dealing with the consent decree that are not true. Um, so I definitely want people to be educated on,
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it.
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we're not saying you, you all are not, I don't know, most of y'all know, probably know about ‸ consent decree, but just to be clear ‸ my basis. Um,
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and the things that we should do as a, as a board.
[01:25:11] Speaker 2
Yeah.
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[01:25:15] Speaker 2
You can't supersede the fed. Okay. Is that it, sir?
[01:25:20] Speaker 12
Yeah. Yeah.
[01:25:22] Speaker 2
Okay. Do
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[01:25:27] Speaker 2
Thank you very much. I want to say thank you all for your contributions to our board, to our agency, and I look forward to seeing
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Um, chair entertains a motion to adjourn. We have a motion on the floor by agency member. Goins second by the chair, all in favor by saying, ah,
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Hey, just remember, go on.
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Okay. Woo,
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you.

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