Give me a minute.
Yes, sir.
I did. Okay.
Lord, thank you for just continuing to bless us. Lord, just continue to wake us up and give us the best of our mind and judgment. Just continue to bless us throughout our journey. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen. All right. Have our pledge.
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Chairman? Mr. Chairman? Yes, sir. You just, you started saying prayer now? We say prayer now every meeting?
It looks
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something. Do you have different members say it at
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Oh, cool.
Okay.
Very good. All right. We're going to call?
Mr. Roberts?
Here.
Mr.
Artero?
Here.
Mr. Brown?
Present.
Ms.
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Scott? Here.
Sorry about that. Ms. Witherspoon? Present. Mr. Mueller?
Here.
Ms.
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Hatcher? Here. And Mr.
Zimmerman is
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not here.
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I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God.
I do.
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All right. So for our meeting for this, for tonight, have a few amendments before we approve that. Case number one, CE 25-120 has been tabled.
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Is there ‸ no other motions? No one has any amendments? I'll take a motion to approve. Move to approve. Second. I'll motion on
the
floor with a
second. All in favor say aye.
Aye. Opposed? Motion passed unanimously.
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In
reference to our meeting from June.
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does anybody have anything? All right. I'll take a motion to approve. I
make a motion to approve.
Second.
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All in favor say aye. Aye. All right.
All
opposed? Motion passed unanimously.
Mr. Chairman,
I
would like to submit the PowerPoint presentation and the packet of documents for each case into the record.
Thank you, ma'am.
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Melissa. So, she is no longer on the code board. All right. So, we'll move on.
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The owner, property owner did allow for the following violations. One, with district and intent, central business
district.
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Two, building permits and applications.
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with it, it's a plaza
where
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a doctor's office is. District and intent, prohibited uses and structures. Any use not in keeping with the character of the central business
district.
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This is the back parking lot area of the doctor's office. This is his personal camper.
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It was just caught, essentially, from patrolling the area and driving by.
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Building permits and applications. I'll spare the board from reading the entire thing. This pertains to the electrical work that was done next to the camper that I'll show you and there was no permits pulled.
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and see and there was none for the entire property. This is the electrical work that was done. It's unknown at what time it was done but
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Here you can see they put out cameras and tarp and electrical. Case summary, April 3rd,
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An attempt was made to speak with the doctor. However, the nurse said he was busy and would have them call him. ‸ Officer Simpson, he left his information in
the
courts. Doctor called him,
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him the RV parked in the rear of
the
property
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city code. Asked if he could provide permits for the electrical added to the canopy where the RV was being kept.
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there wasn't, I wasn't sure if he could provide a permit. He asked if he could meet to resolve the issue when he returned from his trip and officer
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Our copy return receipt requested. May 5th notice ‸ violation was returned as unclaimed. May 8th the re-inspection ‸ property was conducted and it was found to still be a violation. No contact from the doctor. 17 June a re-inspection was done, same status, the 11th same status.
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mail restricted delivery with hard copy.
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of appearance slash request for continuance.
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the reference property and observed the property remains violation. This is the affidavit posting when it was posted August 1st to the property. This is the, I'm sorry, this is the request that the doctor sent to the office and he's requesting for a waiver for appearance and a continuance. The reason I uploaded this was at the bottom it says the code enforcement officer has no objection to the request for a continuance. And I know from working with officer Simpson on this issue that he tried for months to speak to the individual and was there was delay after delay after delay.
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was not mentioned to no point and wasn't
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Here's a photo from today. Same status RV. I'm assuming his personal vehicle parked there. And another closer shot of the camper in the camera. Staff recommendations. Staff recommends the code enforcement board find the property in violation, issue an order requiring the violations be corrected and assess the daily fines of up to $250 per day. violation be imposed if the property is not
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Is the mobile home involved too?
Yes, that's essentially what sparked the curiosity of why the camper was there.
because
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it can't be parked there as it is.
It
can't be left. So upon looking into it, that's where the electrical was noticed that had been done. And it's been, as he even said himself, it's been parked there for years.
But it hasn't, the electrical work and all is on the mobile home or on the property?
It's in the parking lot for the video surveillance that he has set up.
Right, but it goes with the property, not the mobile home.
It is, he is using it in addition for the mobile home.
Yes, but I mean, it's not, it's being cited as part of the property.
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So it's actually the property that's in violation.
Well, the property owner. Yes.
Yeah. But I mean, what I'm trying to say, the actual violations are on property, not on just the mobile home.
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Right.
Both. Yes, you're correct.
Okay. Thank you.
‸ Any discussion?
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and there was no one to my knowledge going to be here.
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The property owner did, yes.
‸ Okay.
But he also said that the officer, you believe that the officer would not agree to that, correct? I was
with him at work when he spoke about this specific case.
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was never stated, that he was okay with the continuance. Because he went to the property several times, spoke to the doctor, spoke to staff. So it was a well-known issue that he was trying to get addressed.
And just to make it clear, do you guys do
continuance?
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If, like, say a property owner is working with us and they're making good faith effort to solve whatever the problems are. Okay. But in this instance, there had been no efforts whatsoever, like pulling permits, meeting, hiring a contractor, nothing of that sort was done. It was just, you're given a violation and then there was no progress from ‸ that point.
Well, because from my experience, if ‸ you're going to give a continuous, we wouldn't be here right now. So, you
wouldn't have any knowledge of it. We would have just been watching.
I'll take a motion.
You want to speak for me, sir? Sure. Are you going to go for it? All right, let's hear it go for it.
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order. Is this the one? Yeah. Found in violation. I moved to find respondents in this case in violation of the city codes as charged. ‸ The
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Appendix A, Zoning Article 15. And that the respondent shall correct the violations no
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the amount of $250 per day, will be imposed for each date
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The respondents are ordered to contact the code enforcement officer to verify compliance with this order.
Second. Have a motion on the floor with the second. All in favor say
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Those opposed? Motion passed unanimously. Well, we're flying through this agenda. This is the case that was tabled.
Let
me skip through there. So we should be at the noncompliance? Yes. You're correct. All right. So we are now dealing with CE 24-790.
All right. This case is, as you said, CE ‸ 24-790.
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Address is 2526 Stanford Drive. I'll be presenting it. Before we go further, I'd like to inquire as far as ‸ legal matter concerning the pending foreclosure on the property. It was initiated back in September of last year. One of the respondents were dismissed, but it is still essentially floating in the legal world. So I wanted to inquire before presenting it to the board as to whether we should continue with it or table it and revisit it again later.
And this is for the property,
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No,
2526 Stanford.
All right. Because
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All right. So there's still, you're aware of a pending foreclosure action on the property?
Yes, I was researching today and it was initiated in September
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but it's still, it's still in limbo.
Okay.
The property is not homesteaded, but the foreclosure is, is still out there.
When
you
noticed this herring, did you notice the property owner?
They've been notified via certified mail posting at the property, but they've never, from
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And there's never been any communication with anyone who's living there. And there is individuals living there.
Any communications with the, um, the entity that's foreclosing?
No.
I would recommend that you table this. Um,
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gonna be able to lean the property. Due to the pending ‸ foreclosure and
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And, um,
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about, um, possibly notifying the company that's, or the entity that's foreclosing about the violation.
All right. Yes, sir. All right. Moving along.
Do we have a motion to that effect?
Oh, I apologize.
Do you usually have motions? I mean, to postpone consideration of the, of the compliance here?
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but we can go ahead and do a
motion to table this item. Since it was notice for hearing. Okay.
Uh, Mr. Chair, I'd
like
to, uh, uh, request a motion. Uh, that we
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We will table it to code enforcement acquires information. For further, further action.
Yeah. Once we can proceed, we'll just put it
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Okay. Second
motion on
the floor
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with the second to table. All in favor say aye.
Aye.
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All right.
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‸ This
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The respondents are Mrs. Ellis, Mrs. Ellis, Mary L Ellis.
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It's presented by me. Officer Mack property owner failed to comply with the board's order.
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Chapter six,
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B and G.
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protective treatment. All exterior surfaces
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but not limited doors, door and window frames. Uh,
cornices
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porches, trim balconies, decks, fences shall be maintained in good condition. And exterior wood services other than the case resistant woods shall be protected from the elements and decay by painting or other protective covering or treatment. The next
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The roofs and drainage.
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that emit rain. Roof drainage shall be adequate to prevent dampness or deterioration and walls or interior portions of the structure. This is ‸ exhibit one.
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As you see,
I
have the arrow there. There is a, there is a hole in the roof. The case summary, July 18th, 2024
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violation of exterior general conditions. Uh, and that the
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August 4th, the notice of hearing was mailed, uh, certified with hard copy receipt to the property owner. I posted a notice of hearing in the front yard of the property and at the
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The photos were taken and uploaded. August 21st 2025. I conducted an inspection of the reference property and observed that the property remained in violation. This is exhibit two is, uh, as of August 21st, you have the steel pointing to the hole in the roof and the back portion of, as you see, the deteriorated wood and, uh, other defects of the roof. The property. Staff recommendations staff recommends the code enforcement would find the respondent slash property owner and non compliance with the code enforcement board code enforcement
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a be imposed until brought into compliance. Available for questions.
Is there somebody living in that home?
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No, Mr. Brown, um, no one lives in the home, but they maintain the yard.
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Somebody
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‸ Somebody somebody somebody somebody cuts the ‸ somebody cuts the yard
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of June mr. Chairman and There was a discussion
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was supposed to be in probate and it's
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I mean, I've double-checked as of 430 this afternoon nothing in probate. We got a call from one of the nieces, but uh, Miss Ellis has been passed since 1975
So I thought the lady that came
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to get in touch with her
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called and uh and talked with me yesterday and Talked to the director today that she couldn't make it because she was in Atlanta, Georgia, but as we explained this in non-compliance and um, you know from from the previous co board meeting, you know the minutes stated that they were going to work on it and it has been, You know No one worked actually the house has ‸ developed The hole from the that's in the roof so Uh, we proceeded and We're here in front of you for the non-compliance Yes,
but
there has been uh, there has been contact
This is a non-compliance case yes,
yes, sir
I'm sorry, I didn't know what
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Okay, so what I remember from the last time when the family was here because it was like three of them ‸ It was an older woman, so i'm not really familiar with the probate part
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And we just For
us on the on the property appraiser. Yes, ma'am
‸ That's
who we Since 1975, but yes, she's on the property appraiser. So since that time Almost 50 years no one has
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okay Okay, but they're aware
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they they are aware and Like I said, she uh, she called after months and months. This has been months And uh,
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and
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yeah long it and until they till they work it out so You know as far as as far as that
yeah, okay, ‸ thank you
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All right ‸ take a motion
I would like
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testimony presented which is incorporated into the order I move to find Mary Ellis in this case in violation
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Um, I would like to make let me retract. I would like to make a motion Um to find that the response in this case failed to correct the violations a list of violations which in the time
specified in
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the Code Enforcement Board's prior order in this case, that the fine will be imposed as set forth in that order. and I don't see Yeah, I
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So with that being said we have any announcements
Yes, I do.
Yes, sir.
Uh code enforcement is not doing any more lien reductions Did anybody know that? I didn't. we've been asking the city council would have told us.
I can give you an update on that if you would like. I mean, there's an ordinance that's pending that um would attempt to streamline the process. um The way the, the way the ordinance is drafted, there'll
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And, um to streamline the process,
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apply for a lien reduction. That would be the formula that calculates, um under different circumstances, significant reductions right off the top. And then the, the, applicant will be afforded an opportunity to make full payment to avoid any, um any hearing whatsoever. And if they, if they prefer not to uh you know pay ‸ that, um that, ‸ that bottom line number after the calculation, then they can request a hearing
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hearing. It's only if the property owner or the applicant decides that they do not want to pay the reduced amount that's determined based on a calculation. So the, the purpose of it was to try to streamline the process and get, um you know, and get the matters resolved, uh voluntarily and administratively. And the formula is based on a lot of, experience and past practice, of watching the lean reductions make their way through the process. So
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reductions for certain reasons. ‸ So the formula attempts to take some of that into consideration and knocks down the principal balance of the of the
lien
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amount to try to resolve it quickly and get payment quickly. So it's in it it's a different approach. um And uh right now it's passed on first reading. They'll have one more hearing. We'll see what the council decides. um So trying something a little different.
okay Anyone else? I
don't think it's correct to do that at all. The whole, the whole it's foolish. We have some
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What are you going to have a formula on
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I mean, it we
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And I thought we did a pretty good job on it. And they had the final say anyways. So who's coming out ahead? At least they could come and talk to us. We could get things worked out. I don't think it's a good idea whatsoever. But what do I know?
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experience. who's whose experience you made the statement that it was based on past experience. Whose experience is this being based on?
um
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I would say it's the city council's experience. Because ultimately the city council has the final say regarding any
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reduction.
they, they,
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have to
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based on the lean reduction.
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enforcement board
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justify what's going on with people. Some of them do not
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for instance today's situation. So again, my question, and maybe
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based on what experience do they have? Because they do not come to this room and sit with us when we have these meetings every month and listen or see these people crying when they're telling us what is happening. Like we had one person in here that had, you know, major heart attack They couldn't handle what was going on.
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Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, the city council here has all those stories. Okay. Well, we
hear
them all here
too, and we talk about them.
We had a soldier here that
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a violation on his property for a long time, and he wasn't taking care of it. He was overseas. So, I mean, everybody's got different uh problems, and that's why we're here to talk about it. Why else are we on the board? I mean,
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got to talk about this here. We're talking a lot of money to some people too, a lot of money. I don't think it's going to work. It's just my idea, but I thought that's why the city formed the code enforcement. board So we could help not only penalize people money, but to help them. Let's get it going back. I hate to see this old house go down if it goes down. That's a nice location. It's a cute little place. oh ‸ I'd be ready with that with hammer and nails in a minute. but uh i just like to talk to people and get it worked out that's why we're here
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we're here to get the problem fixed the best way we know how and the best way we can help people so
be it and
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at all and take it into consideration those types of situations because the council hears them I mean you know
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there's an administrative process to try to streamline fast quick re payments of code enforcement liens
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an applicant at the end of the day doesn't want to deal with the administrative reduction then they can request the hearing and explain to the City Council the reasons why they want a further reduction so the ordinance doesn't prevent those those things from happening mr. Brown so um you know most of most of them you ‸ want to get into it, most of the lien reduction recommendations that come from the board are, um you know, recover administrative costs.
That's correct.
That's right.
But we got the property being fixed, sold, or whatever. Something's happening with it. It's just not sitting there for 50 years like that old house.
Yeah, well, if there's a property that's for sale that,
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getting a staff recommendation, going to the Code Enforcement Board, and then going to the City Council again just to resolve a lien reduction where, um at the end of the day, the council just recovers the cost of prosecution. So, they're trying to, the council, you know, is trying to expedite the process a little bit. And, you know, that's what, that's what the ordinance was designed to do.
Well, I can tell you firsthand,
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get a title so I can salvage the car. And you wouldn't believe what I had to go through just to get the title for my car. I think we do pretty good here.
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it's disgusting. But I, I, I, I, I'm just one person. I thought we'd done ‸ pretty good job here. I think we got some people that got some good heads on their shoulders to decide and help people.
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Well, the city's council is going to do what they want. They're not going to do what we want.
But it's good that, uh we're letting them know that we disagree with.
Yeah, I think so. we're
going to see
how it works.
Yeah. I was surprised to hear it too. Last time, last meeting they had that they were moving the, uh
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of how this even came about?
It's just the whole process, um of, of the city council hearing many of these, uh lean reduction requests. there have been a a plethora of them, especially in the last several months. So, you know, they're in the process of modifying, um the code ‸ enforcement provisions and they're looking for, you know opportunities to streamline process. I mean, so these cities councils do that all the time.
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in the process of making
everything work quick and everything. Somebody's going to get hurt. And somebody's going to have to pay for it. ‸ we're playing with people's lives here. I'm 82 years old. I had a bad, bad accident. I didn't break one leg.
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to pay for anything. I got no money coming in. I had a beautiful sale on my property and the city said, no, you can't sell it. Now, okay, what do I do now? But there's a lot of people
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got problems. But I don't go for leaving your property a mess when you can go out there and rake it or clean it up or do something. Don't go and snub the city.
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We want to talk to you as a as a citizen trying to live in a park I mean, this
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I think it's so much better. So much better. And it's because of different boards we got now. People caring. And uh this takes the personal effect away from a person coming in here and saying, ‸ Help me out. Help me out
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Well, I can tell you, I've been on my back for four months in the hospital
and
been in a wheelchair. I don't know how many of you folks ‸ ever been in a wheelchair. It limits you down quite a bit. Now I got a set of wheels. I'm walking.
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blessed me. But some people aren't so lucky. Every case is different. They're all different. And that's why we're going to listen to them. And I don't go for this idea at all. But maybe I'm wrong, folks. I just want to speak up and let them know. I think that board agrees with me on a lot of stuff here that we got to talk to people instead of saying, well, we've been waiting and it takes so long to do this and that. So many liens have been on for years. What are we going to just get them all through and oh everything's going to be beautiful? No. And besides, what's the city here for? That's their job, to do
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It's like it's our job to do this.
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how much you get, but I don't get much. But I'll tell you, I try to do what I can because I love the city of
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And believe you me, I've seen a
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And I want to say most of it is all for the better. Not for the worse, but for the better. And I want to just say my few words. I said enough, but you people know how I feel. I don't think it's going to work too well. but
I just have a clarifying question, Esquire. So my clarifying question is
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whether or not they want a hearing. So you said before the council,
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Is that what the
heartache
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is? So they would, if they were like, you know, they do the calculations in a formula and they still don't like the dollar amount. So then they would go to like a city council meeting or they would request a special hearing.
They get placed on the city council agenda. So they can have a hearing before the city council.
So that's what ‸ okay. So
that takes
more time with the city of council.
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only, the only body that can approve a code enforcement lean reduction.
I understand. You all set the fine. ‸ And yes
they, they're the only ones that can, they can release it. That's true. The council, the city council does have to hear, it
um but I think it also uh going, ‸ going off with what Mr. Brown is saying is, is that we get to hear the citizens come, the residents, excuse me, uh of Coco come before us. And we get to listen to them more humanely than just numbers. Because it's not always just the numbers. It's always, it's just always something else happening.
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it isn't just when you say streamlining, it just seems, ‸ you're just taking the uh taking the, taking the humanity out of it.
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because
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and it could just be my experience, but do they get the same amount of time? like Is anything taken from them in regards to them having the same length of time like they would to explain to us, then we would give the recommendation,
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go to the city council and then like explain the whole thing all over
again. So
we're just kind of minimizing their wait time. But they sit like when they go to city council do they get like three because you know I've been to a council meeting some people get three minutes and
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do they get the opportunity to speak their
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some of them are lawyered up and their lawyers come
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council meetings I mean the council at times and you know Charlene could vouch to this I mean we've
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um We spent
hours with people here, always all
right
but because they got something that is important and they got to tell their side of the story and I want to hear it.
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and maybe I'm not articulating the policy but
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the city council
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final decision. And you know I don't know what else to say. um I respect I respect your comments. You've been a very uh valuable um member of this board for four decades. That's
correct.
I understand. You were here before I was here.
I think
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You
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was on the first CRA board back in the 80s.
Good for you. You're still with us and I love it. Anyways I'm hoping it does work. I'm not working against them.
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how we've done our job and I thought we did pretty good.
uh
New members have to learn how it goes. I gotta know how this goes. everybody's gotta know how it goes so we get things done in the end and we're not yelling and mad at each other. We're happy that we did what we could do. But
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do. Good luck. I hope. But I i think a lot of us all think the same here.
yeah So I just just from the outside looking in
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about what you're doing, you care about the citizens coming in, you want to hear their story and be able to weigh in and have, you know, the opportunity based on your long-standing history and experience. But as, um I would speak from just my experience, as a citizen, I would rather have an expedited process only because the wait time is long, because they have to wait for ‸ here and here, then what if, you know, something happens and we don't meet? They like continuously have to wait. So if we look at it from a standpoint of what's better for the citizen, it's the the reduced process of waiting. And so I speak to that because I spent 25 years ‸ United States Air Force and all we did was hurry up and wait. And I really don't like waiting. But I think, you know, the council meeting is still open, we still get to hear. We just don't get to weigh in and make the recommendation. But if we look at what's best for the citizen in regards to their time, giving them their time back and honoring their time, then as long as the calculations include those hardships that we always hear about, where they're allowed to kind of, you know, put stuff in the system where it would get looked at, then it could be, you know, beneficial for them. And I think we should give it a shot.
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beforehand. um Or maybe I'll just watch it from the house because that could prove to be a really long meeting. But i I think this may be good for the citizen at large, like it may feel um not, oh not so good to us because it was something that you all have done for years and you extreme, you know, for an extreme long time to be able to weigh in. But I think if we look at it from that citizen's perspective and them having to wait and go to multiple hearings,
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here, and some of the liens were in the hundreds of thousands? How do you adjust that one? And this one's got one for
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And this, well, we'll knock that one way down or
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how do you come up with a figure on that?
So I would probably surmise that they got some pretty smart young folks. They got some statisticians over there that'll figure that out. But remember, that the the citizen can still be like, no, this is not going to work. You all have to hear the whole point of the story.
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and
Assuming that they're going to have time. Who?
The city council? The
resident who's speaking in front of the city council because it's going to be more than one case. Yeah,
I've sat here till well after midnight. Exactly. They're not
going to have time because it's a lot. They do a lot.
oh yeah. So then I think ‸ You're
putting another amount of time on them. So they're going to be here till
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in the morning?
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give to the council, right? Like maybe it is a special hearing or maybe... Because I don't think fighting the new system is going to work, right? So maybe the suggestion is it is a special meeting or something like that to give the individuals their time without, you know, they had holding everybody else's time in a chokehold. We gave them ‸ Right. But all we did was recommend, too, they ended up having to go to city council anyways.
And that's what
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But from
this from the issues of
the citizen, is it is it saving them time? I
believe it has helped. Them coming to us, I believe it help
But is it saving them time? I think that's what this is about. I don't know.
That's just... I think they're more worried about money than time. I
don't know. We only know that if we talk to them.
Especially when it comes down to
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mean, you're talking some of the times. You know, i mean that even
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a ‸ day is a lot. Yeah. And
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Look out.
And then you get some people, for example, that don't even get the lien because they thought their case was closed.
oh yeah. We have all that stuff. You know that.
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and We changed
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But they're gonna are they Let me ask you something now. I was trying to think. Are they
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I mean, if a person says, well, I owe so much, but this is the reason. why Are they gonna ‸ actually hear a case? Are they just going by the lien?
No, I think they hear them now. they're gonna they hear ‸ They
hear the cases. So, so look can i may I try to explain a little bit more about the process to elaborate on what the
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measures to to bring the home into compliance
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the property and compliance, are going to file the application for the lien reduction, that lien reduction application is going to have them plead their case there in that application of what the situation is. And that will go before the city manager. City manager has the opportunity at that point, based on the calculations to provide them with an approval of here is what that calculation is based on all of the documentation that we have, the value of the home, etc And then he will provide them with a number. The homeowner, property owner has an opportunity to accept that offer or go before city council. So that person will be able to plead that case in front of staff and the city manager for that lien reduction before they can choose to go take that offer or go before council. We're not looking at charging somebody a 200 000 fine and and recouping that. that the
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It's to do it in a more expeditious ‸ manner.
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since April. And a lot of these lien reductions that we have brought back to before you and then before council were
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months old because they have sat in a hopper waiting to get in line. And we're trying to resolve that for the property owner so that they can move forward with selling their house and doing the other things that they need to do in order to move forward with their lives. And a lot of them have sat for years without having a resolution. A lot of that is because we've had, we have staff turnover and documents get misplaced. And when you get new staff, you get new managers, you find documents in a folder that have been there for two years. And you bring that back before the board when if we have this process, it will move a lot faster for the applicant.
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to set the lien or ‸ they listen to the cases? too
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council.
before ‸ So a person is going to stand out there in a city council meeting and tell their story,
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to the city council and that's going to be quicker?
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on a formula and that formula will be presented to the applicant and they can choose to accept it or go to council for requesting an additional reduction.
So essentially it's just eliminating an extra meeting for the homeowner.
Yes. Yes. And also providing an incentive. I mean, what when this board conducts a Massey hearing, right, what happens? Code enforcement officers will prepare the order. And the order will be recorded. And that will, you know, then because they're not in compliance. Then the lien starts, right? So, but what does this board ultimately want to happen when it issues an order? Ordering a property owner to come into compliance.
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it has incentives to rec to to the property owner to come into compliance. For example, there's a matrix table. Once that order is recorded after the board conducts its Massey hearing, if the property owner brings that property into compliance within a year of recording that order, they get a 90 reduction on the fine because they acted quickly to bring the property into compliance. It backstops as a, as a property owner incentive to get the property into compliance
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generous the reduction is, but there is, there's some serious generosity to get the property owner to bring it into ‸ compliance and then pay a reduced lien amount administratively and be done. And, you know, I think that compliance is the number one goal on code enforcement and there's ways to incentivize property owners that don't come into compliance with a Massey or with at a Massey here prior to a Massey hearing by trying to give them a financial incentive to still bring it into compliance. ‸ even after the board has issued an order imposing the fine.
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still like to have the people be able to come and speak to us, tell us their story. I do. Because it's a sad story. Some of those fines are going to bankrupt people. Bankrupt them. a lot of people can't even buy food half the time now.
i i I've got heart. I've got heart. i'm I'm not heartless.
And I want those homes fixed so when you go down the street you don't look at something and say, what happened there, you know? There's a lot of nice neighborhoods we got, but have a bad home in there? What does it do? tears it up Tears it up with crime and everything else. I mean, we got a lot to, ‸ see,
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so we consider it. But our main objective is not that money, because the city don't need that much money to keep going, ‸ to take it take your house away.
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like uh ‸ banks that come in and they're stuck with a foreclosure or this or that. We can push some of that stuff right through. Right through. No problem. But there's certain people i I've seen that come through here that was sad. And, uh hey, I'm just making it myself. I'm not in the best of shape now. A couple months ago I was styling. I was just have
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a car crash. oh ‸ Look out, folks. Thousands and thousands of dollars gone. I don't even have a car to drive. So I don't want to complain. I'm just telling you, there's other people who've got a lot of problems and they come and talk to us. I don't like the ones that snub the nose. They don't have to talk to us. Well, it'd be smart to talk to us if you got a problem. Don't avoid it. That's like what what the city wants to
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saying this is the way I look at it. And I hope it works. I just think that talk about more problems. they got more work to do than what we do.
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this is what we come up with. Go for it or not.
we come
up Later. but anyways. what do you think?
Yes, I totally agree with you. And if it's if it's regarding the... uh I'm not sure. Correct me if I'm wrong, uh attorney. I think... Did you say that that City Council is getting too many cases that we've approved uh just for the staff recommendations that Did I hear that correctly?
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by law to to um you know handle them and make a final decision.
No, I guess when my question is um that one of the reasons for making this this new process, is streamlined is it because... Maybe I misunderstood you, but uh did you say that they they saw that too many cases were going in front of them because we have reduced it to costs effective? Or cost... uh
Many of the recommendations coming from the board are just to recover cost Staff's recommendation is to recover costs. And, you know, many,
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and and the staff. ‸ And, you know, sometimes the applicants find, all right yeah, all
right
I'll pay the
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But the council still has to have a hearing and still has to hear from the applicant in order to agree to just accept the costs. And other times the board's making recommendations and, you know, we're going to the council and the applicant still disagrees with everybody's recommendation and they want something different. So there's things that are built into the into the proposed ordinance to incentivize compliance and to incentivize people that bring it into compliance. ‸ another example, not only bringing it into compliance sooner, gets you a higher reduction. Many times you have property properties that are found in violation. The violator is no longer the owner of the property. Somebody comes in and gives you the story. I know I just acquired the property. I'm the one that brought it into compliance and I should be given a reduction because I brought it into compliance. Well,
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buys a property that's not in compliance with the code board's order and you bring it into compliance and you
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bringing it into compliance. The way the ordinance
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in the lien amount because you spent,
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compliance with the code board's order. So you get an incentive for that. And
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then have to come to the code board for a recommendation or the city council? City staff would be able to
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and it's done. The applicant,
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there's no need to go through any more process. So there's things like that that are built into ‸ A lot of people don't
have that kind of money. But
but at the end of the day, if if you go through whatever the formula incentives are and you still can't pay it, you have hardship, you complete your case to the to to the city council and then the council can decide. That's not being taken away from people. um And
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go to the city council. Now, you know, the administrative part is that these are, if the council adopts it, it's law. Okay. So the council is saying, basically saying ahead of time with these, if these certain things occur, you get an administrative reduction. If you want to pay that amount, it's all over. You know, you, ‸ get your satisfaction of lien. If not, come and plead your case to the council. They're trying to streamline the process and potentially reduce the need for even having a hearing. it's a it's a it's a it's
a
different it's a slightly it's a different approach It may not work. I mean, but
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have said is what we do here. All the stuff we do right here.
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I know, I know how much we do.
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mean, yeah, I mean, generally, I mean, there, there are um
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formulas and other communities have try it this way. I ‸ mean, have you, are you basing this or is your base coming from other programs that are actually working? Or, again, like Chair's question that, again, I don't feel was answered. Is this somebody's brain child and you're just kind of flying by the seat of your pants and we're going to figure it out as we go? Yes, I get that it's helping reduce time for the the citizens. I get that part. But i
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I mean, other communities have have these types of incentives, have administrative matrix to reduce lean amounts. um
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is that sometimes the
lien
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stay on the property so long that the
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amount exceeds the value of the property. Well, I mean, there are constitutional limitations regarding ‸ imposing penalties
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put in this ordinance is that at the end of the day, a lien cannot exceed 50 of the assessed value of the property. To add a little bit more reasonableness, you know, of course, you've got to come into compliance, but there's a constitutional balance on how much you can impose a lien, a penalty like that on on property, and it depends on value, right?
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that it take essentially takes somebody's property, you know, there there's some constitutional issues there. So we address
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exceed 50 of the assessed value if you pay it administratively. Now, that that may not happen in many cases, but there's a circuit breaker in there, and there's legal reasons why that's in there.
what do you
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i was just I know everybody wants to go home. I i think it's wrong what what the city council decided to do.
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That's the whole point of this this board. You guys want to go ahead and digitize everything? I think it's wrong. I think we have to listen to the human factor. um And we're all different. This
is why we this is so this is why we created this, right? This board. So
we can listen to some complaints. Some some are not. Some are true. and And again, like Mr. Brown said, we're not
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all rich.
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just to write a check and say thank you. you know
even
though you might be selling the house. But you still. I mean, we we've had cases where a
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still selling the house. the
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still selling the house. And and and his partner dumped them with a bunch of work. You know, we we cannot go into detail on what type of work. But it sounds like that ‸ individual was going through financial issues. So I believe at the time that uh when I heard the story which was was right to reduce the
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not to do it in a in a uh algorithm. but uh
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you came here and just happened to get the blunt of all this. But just the question. At what point in time somebody was going to try and actually tell us? um ‸ In which, like, uh one of our members had to bring it to our attention. And, like
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communication of it. Because um just putting it plain and simple the communication part of it sucked.
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I'm just thinking too much. But I don't think so. But, like, it's kind of like the girl dumped you and you saw no signs. But, you know,
like,
you go home and all the stuff gone.
you know
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Flag: numbers, amounts, negation or names differ between the machine readings; a language review questioned the wording · 01:08:56–01:09:02 · unresolved: the words are not shown (unclear audio); listen to the recording
And that whatever they're going to do, they're going to do more work than what we've done. And
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i I can't see where they're going to be ahead of the game. Where
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going
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I don't think that's the name or it. I know that We do a lot of footwork right here and we got these gentlemen over here in
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Flag: numbers, amounts, negation or names differ between the machine readings · 01:09:26–01:09:26 · unresolved: the words are not shown (unclear audio); listen to the recording
Yeah. Doing a lot of work to get this stuff done and they're pretty smart about what's going on.
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Flag: a language review questioned the wording · 01:09:36–01:09:42 · unresolved: the words are not shown (unclear audio); listen to the recording
Well, with that being said, ‸ nothing else yes
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Flag: numbers, amounts, negation or names differ between the machine readings · 01:09:52–01:10:07 · unresolved: the words are not shown (unclear audio); listen to the recording
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Yeah, it's a month from now, isn't it?
Yes, sir. Yeah,
how about that? Okay.
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Well, nothing else.
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Flag: numbers, amounts, negation or names differ between the machine readings; the recognizer flagged its own output; a language review questioned the wording · 01:10:18–01:10:20 · unresolved: the words are not shown (unclear audio); listen to the recording