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We're going to have the mayor leave us in the pledge, and then,
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for us, please, sir.
Everyone, please stand.
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work on what you and how to do for our citizens and the best
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We pray, Lord, for our city council that you continue to walk over them with dignity and
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We pray, Lord, for our families here in this time, Lord, as they are continuing to be under
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Amen.
Amen.
Thank you, sir. Roll call, please.
Mayor Williams?
Here.
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Warner?
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Here.
Thank you.
Thank you, ma'am. We're going to move on to our item number two on
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Please, um...
Oh, you can come on up, ma'am, I guess.
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Good
evening, Honorable Mayor Williams, Councilmembers. It's a privilege to be here with you this evening.
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From that list, I'm going to ask you to rank those candidates in your order of preference. In front of you, you should have a small packet. It lists the recommendations. We received
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total of 63 applicants. After the closing date of June 12th, we received three additional applicants that were not on the total list. Out of the 63 applicants, I personally interviewed nearly a third of them. I had Zoom calls with all of the recommended semi-finalists and then some. So I have seen them face to face and talked to them. They are all well-qualified to lead your city
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city manager under your direction. I would ask you to look at the last page of the packet that I handed out to you. And each of the recommended semi-finalists are listed there. I would ask you to rank them in the order of your preference. The number one being your number one choice. Number two, your number two choice. Number
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So if you could take that list and rank your candidates from there, then we can discuss how many of those candidates you would like to bring to COCO for your face-to-face interviews.
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tear off the back page.
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Thank
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And I have spoken with each one of you over the last several days. You've had the opportunity to ask many questions that you would like concerning my conversations with the candidates, et cetera. I thank you for that time that you afforded me to visit with you about these candidates.
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would allow for the town halls to take place. If we had four candidates, one being interviewed by council, another touring, another in the town hall, and what was the third? It
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at least one. ‸ Meeting with department heads? Yes. Yes.
Right now, let's just determine how many we want to bring forward. My suggestion is four. I don't know. You guys can chime in.
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I prefer four because that gives us more options and gives us a wider spectrum of candidates.
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really stand up.
Good afternoon.
I have a lot of questions, but I'm going to stay on topic right now. ‸ I always want more options.
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It gives us ‸ more opportunity to see them. Because right now we're looking at documents. We don't see who they are. Yeah. And I think if we have more opportunity to see them ‸ as a group, four or five could be a good
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I would like to suggest maybe we take the top four or five and do virtual meetings here in the council chambers with them that are open to the public. And then pick the top three to bring because we're going to have to pay to bring these people to town. So I'm like Alex. There's a lot of them I would like to talk to.
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I mean, we all do our own research, I hope. But I would like to maybe do virtual meetings with five, the top five. And then decide on three from there and spend the money to bring three to town to do the tour and meet the staff and do all the other things.
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to spend the money to bring them to town.
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Yeah, we're going to get to that. That's going
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Yeah. ‸ But I would like to start with a virtual meeting. I mean, we managed to virtually interview some people for this job. So I think we could virtually interview the top five candidates and go from there.
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to town, but I am for interviewing five. Let's put it that way.
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decision and I wanted it to narrow it down before I started calling and talking to people.
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I have not spoken to any of the candidates themselves. Okay.
I do
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in alphabetical order only. Mr. Drum, Ms. Gardner-Young, Mr. Gleason, Mr. Moffett, and Mr. Porto.
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Um we've received two e-comments um
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Council members. This is in reference to the review selection process for the new city manager for the city of
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I am appalled that out of the 68 applicants that were received by the consultant group, that these eight finalists were considered the top candidates.
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There were individuals that were far more qualified than this, Mrs. Jennifer Riggs that are not on this final list. The fact that Mrs. Riggs was even considered is a concern. She is the former campaign manager for Councilwoman
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who will be involved in the voting process for the city manager's position.
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from the list. At the cost of approximately 14 000 taxpayer dollars, I ask that the council have the consultant group go back and review the 68 applicants again, and bring back to council a revised short list.
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background in municipal or county management experience. This list, as it stands, falls short
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We know our job. Okay, next.
um The next comment that was submitted is from miss Nancy Furbish. I'm not impressed with the finalists for the city manager position.
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that has no pertinent experience but the problems caused by the pandemic. I believe that this is not a good time to search for a candidate. Matt should stay on as interim city manager. He is experienced, knows our city, and I am disappointed that he is not interested in applying for the city manager position.
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would you please pass this along? Thank
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Thank you.
is that Can I have a chance to... Yes,
ma'am. Go ahead.
Okay, great. Okay. Well, first of all,
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is not uncommon to choose somebody, an outlier, somebody out of the box. That's just not uncommon, in
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they do that as a strategy to open up the thinking, the out of the box
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Okay? Number one. Number two, I didn't ask Jenny to apply, but knowing her, knowing her intellect, knowing her passion, knowing her energy, knowing her ethics, I had no problem. I would support her in just about any endeavor.
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that was recruited, trained, and given a CIA the diplomatic assignment Okay. um No, let me just let me just finish. ‸ Okay. Because if she had the opportunity to stand in front of you with the other candidates, I think that it would really have been eye-opening to you and to others. And instead, she's being defamed. A leader within our community, somebody has contributed hundreds of hours
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She's being defamed in this, I guess, whatever is going on here. This is very
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as I believe in
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to her volunteer leadership as she continues to contribute to this community. You're very fortunate to have people of this quality. And just, I have to say something else, because please
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know, stop diminishing, slandering, sabotaging this process. We have a lot of talent here. We have a lot of good talent come out of this. And I'm confident that we're going to be able to pick a fine leader. And let me address something that was in the the Main Street, because you were concerned about it being a pandemic.
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justice issues. This is a traumatic crime. All the more reason that we would choose a leader now. And as far as Matt goes, he is a fine leader and he is going to be here through the budget process. He's going to be here through the hurricane process. And I hope the heck he will stay and be here and continue to work here and show
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um Anyway, i I think one other thing
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and weaponize our staff. And I hope that our staff understands that the highest level of professionalism demands you don't get sunk into that And
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And I'm just going to comment
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that have never been a city manager before um actually took the opportunity ‸ the chance to submit her name in there and her resume. I was impressed. I was shocked at some of the stuff I saw in there with reference to her. I know this individual. I've seen her operate. I've seen her work. um As far as uh someone that loved the city of Cocoa and
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that we've been seeing and experiencing. um It's a shame. I mean,
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to actually submit her paperwork and take a chance and throw it out there. But to be put down and just,
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goes to church in our community. She lives in our community. And and people are taking that as something bad. I'm happy for ‸ And you know what? She wasn't on my short list neither. But I'm happy for ‸ and I'm proud of her. But this is absolutely ridiculous. I haven't heard anyone come forward and say who they supported. It was just an attack on this one individual. And I can't believe that. It's unbelievable. I consider her a friend. But you know what? I would throw her into this mess. I mean, this is absolutely ridiculous. and uh But I'm not going to go on with this whole thing, uh
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Yeah, like she said, you know, we had the opportunity. We could have had We wouldn't have to go through all this. We had the perfect candidate at the end of the county here, Matt, who we've been here through the rough times and going through the good times, was totally a thousand percent qualified for the position. We wouldn't have to go through all this, you know, recruiting and all that stuff. Matt would have been the perfect manager, and then we could have hired somebody, probably, you know, and to be an assistant city manager.
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heading in. He was the perfect candidate for the job. And
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The only reason why I say I disagree, because he was allowed the opportunity to put his name in for the position. Right. His name was in it. Right. So
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We all love Matt. We know that. but But to say, you got to be careful on things that we say on the dais. When
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him. ‸ Exactly. It's not that way.
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this at the end of the day, we are our respect. I think we all respect the fact that Matt made a decision to pull his name out. He had to deal with him and his family on that. He made that decision. It's not us. Okay. And we respect him for that. Whoever the next city manager will be, we have an excellent opportunity to have somebody like a diamond like we have within Matt. So, we don't need to go back and forth about what happened in the past. I mean, at the end of the day, we got to figure out what we're going to do moving forward. That's, that's pretty much it. You know, so. We just, yeah we just need to.
That's right. Yeah, but we need to quick. That's right. ‸ just need to quick throwing crap out there that certain things happen. Right. Matt had the opportunity
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Matt's learned a lot. And I think he's going to make a great city manager one day. That's my personal
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And I told him that. And I thank him every time he does something, I thank him. And tell him what a great job he's doing. I do it constantly. And
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that That's uh this is this was a will of the residents of
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to see what was out there, because they're sick and tired of the same old same old. You know, they want someone that's going to come in here to take the city of Coco to the next level.
You
know, with all this outside influence and crap that's been happening, which is absolutely ridiculous. People just need to grow up and get a life, you know, and. uh But anyway,
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I would just like to get back to the task at hand because
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and I don't know if I'm going to be able to make it through this entire meeting. So I would appreciate us getting business taken care of and then we can pontificate.
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um So now we on process, correct?
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So we've had, I got a couple emails about uh one particular person that turned their name in late. um
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There were three candidates, applicants that were turned in after the closing date.
And we need to see who they are. I mean, i is that something we're going to entertain? I mean, I don't, that's the question do you
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maybe
we should ask the city attorney if we could possibly entertain late applications. And what the consequences would be.
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I think the council first and foremost, you kind of needs to stick to the process that you set up. So that's number one. um However, the council does have the discretion to um allow applicants after the deadline. But my suggestion, if you were going to go down that route, you probably want to uh open ‸ it up for anybody else to, like, submit submit within a window. um But it's ultimately the council's discretion. I mean, there was a deadline that was established. You can stick with what you have. Or you might have to, ‸ you want to consider latecomers. you I would think
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of
uh
reset the process a little bit, I think, just to be open and transparent.
‸ You got some comments you'd like to make reference to that? or
I have no comments. okay This is your decision okay
um Well, I think the discussion and the the conflict that we've been having from uh citizens is the lack of qualified people. That's what that's what I'm hearing. right No matter if it's true or not, that's the perception. the
information so
I just want to know who those people are, if we can get that um that information. Because it possibly could be somebody that's more qualified than who we have on this paper right now.
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yeah I don't know.
I don't know. There's five pretty qualified people right
now. I'm just saying I don't know.
‸ five very qualified people.
Okay.
No, it
was just based on some information that individuals were throwing out there. and they'll and now so
If I may comment.
Yes, ma'am.
Seven out of the eight recommendations are credentialed managers.
Yes.
That means that they have been a member of ICMA and received the additional training and leadership skills to qualify them as a credentialed manager. And not every city manager does that.
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Thank you. So we we came up with um um um councilman Warner.
Yeah, I would just, um I understand what Councilman
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is saying. And and i was I was disappointed. There were a couple ‸ names I was expecting to see that were not on there. And I think it's um possible that there were some people who didn't apply because Matt was known to be an internal candidate. And they have respect for Matt. So it's possible. However, we have five candidates. It doesn't mean we're going to get a city manager out of this because we can pick somebody and offer them the job and have them go, yeah, no, I'm
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the ball game because we may ‸ interview these five people and decide none of them are a good fit for the city of Coco. We may decide we want to start over. So I say we stick with our current process. Go through the people we've got. See if there's somebody in there that fits our community and that our community wants to us to put forward and go from there. And if then that doesn't work, then we have an opportunity to open it back up.
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Deputy
Mayor? I digress. I'll fold. Okay.
So right now we got um we got a
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Okay. And now the the um second question is, uh
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in order of preference. And now the the third question is, um how do we conduct the interviews? And there was two options here. um All elected officials with each individual candidate and council chambers at the, uh
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finalists at the podium. And then uh
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I like the the whole group deal. And that way, you know, we're all facing them and we can, those questions come out ‸ we know what's being asked each of us.
I know what we need, definitely need to do is make sure that the public is involved. oh yeah. No matter what it may be, I don't know if we set up a certain amount of questions per person that may want to ask or they have to send it to the clerk at a certain time. I don't
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to do that, but whatever decision that we make.
You know, Alex, we've used when we've done community meetings, we've actually used Facebook Live to allow the public to come in and they can actually ask questions on Facebook that Samantha can can bring forward. And that's worked for our neighborhood meetings when when Samantha has done
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Sometimes it goes down.
Right.
um But I know that there's a lot of people who would like to participate that
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me and for the council, I want to ask each person the same question, see what their answers are. And I want whether we all talk to them individually or not, that's that's up to us. But I want us all to hear the same answers from everybody. I want us all to move forward with the same information. And then what we take out of that and who we call and have personal conversations with is up to us. But I want us all to start with the same information. I just, all right I think that's, that way we're all on an even field when we start making
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for a community town hall or meet and greet. And then residents are allowed to either call in or submit their questions on the comments section. And that worked very, very well last week in
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you to consider as well about
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So those could be scheduled at two different times. the If you select the option to interview as a collective body, then the public town hall meet and greet via Facebook Live would need to be scheduled at a time that an interview is not taking place here in the council chambers.
Yeah. Okay.
And that can be scheduled.
for the
next time
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if if you'd like to host some sort of virtual town hall, we can make that happen
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and bring those in face to face after that. ‸ okay I just wanted to make sure we have the
capability
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and uh
I mean, you can do that from home.
Yeah, there's there could be some travel restrictions. There's already states that are not allowing you to to show up in their states if you've been in Florida. So that is a concern.
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week was from Georgia. And there are a couple of the recommendations from there. And there were no travel restrictions that prevented them
‸ There
was a problem locating hotels that were open. But not the travel restrictions. I also would like to review that
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‸ Three to actually bring
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Okay. And we can schedule those
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arrange that and get it all set up with you. And um I guess that's pretty much it, right? With these
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ma'am.
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thank you. We appreciate
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Thank you.
um I have
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If the
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body, I'm assuming there's going to be a certain level of baseline questions that you will prepare for for our council, so
Yes, there is.
Okay.
I have a list of questions that you can use or you don't have to use.
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the same question from you, no matter how many questions each of you wishes to ask, ‸ that you ask the same thing of each candidate so that you have a reference. But I will be sending that to you as ‸ Perfect. Okay.
And before you go, since one candidate was the um garnered a lot of attention here, can you just basically tell us your your experience with interviewing this individual? what What made you come up with your decision, if you can?
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and your city well.
okay Thank you, ma'am. I appreciate it. Thank you.
Mr. Mayor, before Donna leaves, I do have one question.
Yes, ma'am.
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and, you you know, if you just want to send me an email, that's fine, um that was not put on the short list. And going through the the full list of candidates, I personally felt like he might be a good fit for our community. And I thought maybe you might have some insight after your interview that made that. So if you could forward me some information about uh Stanley Hawthorne uh and why he did not make the short list, I would
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you. I will.
And if you mind, please send that to all of us so that, you know, there's no.
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were some people that are saying they're having a hard time hearing. Okay.
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have the list. I mean, I'd be happy to. Yeah.
I do have the list.
But I think it's her mic that is having the issue. So that's why I was asking if you could repeat it.
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there. May help.
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Thank you, ma'am.
Thank
you. ‸ Thank you. Okay, and we're going to move on to item number four, which is approval of resolution number 2020-172, urging the persons to wear a face mask covering in place open for the public throughout the city of Cocoa
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Mr. City Manager.
Yes, Mr. Mayor. At a request of City Council, as well as observing the rise in the number of cases here locally ‸ in seeking ways in which we could flatten that curve, further protect our residents. Working with the city attorney's office, we have before you actually a couple of resolutions. One is simply urging the residents to wear face ‸ coverings in public, and then the other is actually ‸ a mandate of that. And so with two resolutions before you, I think it would probably be best for city council to discuss those options. The city attorney can also provide some information related to the legal aspects associated with it.
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in-depth analysis was pretty difficult, but I think he can provide you a brief overview for discussion purposes.
Yeah, I could tell you personally, I don't, I'm not into telling people what to do, but I ‸ would just, I'm into, I don't mind urging people with reference to wearing their masks, so.
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Yeah, my husband just texted me. There's no mandate. The county will formally strongly recommend businesses displaying at their entrance if masks are required or not, and then the county will provide an online form that they can print, put that up in the window.
So basically they decided to put it on the businesses whether or not they require masks. Okay.
Yeah.
And
I was, I was at the meeting earlier.
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From what I saw it, ‸ it did look rather.
Yes, it was.
Out of the ballpark, yeah.
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Yeah,
and with that resolution urging persons to wear face coverings,
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but also implementing a more aggressive PR campaign related to not only face coverings, but what can you do as a citizen to protect, further protect yourself as well as your family.
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and we will provide this information to the public starting tomorrow, as well as other areas that may ‸ assist in the prevention of the spread. So. Yes, sir.
Mr. Mayor, I do have two comments that came in regarding this.
Yes, ma'am. Go ahead.
Whenever you're ready for me.
Yes, you can go ahead.
Okay. I did have one that came in as an email to Ms. Koss, and they asked for it to be read into the record as well. And it says,
Ms.
Koss, Governor DeSantis has ceded responsibility for a science-based response to the pandemic to local government. He said that any requirement to use masks in public spaces rests with local government. I urge you to sponsor a requirement for everyone to be required to wear a face covering in all public spaces
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I have stopped going
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Please, for the safety of our citizens, take the advice of the professionals and require the use of masks. Thanks and stay safe.
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And then we also did receive another email that was asked to be read in as well. And
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And it is, it is requested that the following be read into the record at tonight's council meeting regarding the wearing of masks by citizens and voters while in our community.
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I appreciated this restaurant owner's point of view. Thank you to the city of Cocoa leadership for taking this into consideration. Masks in restaurants from a restaurant's point of view. You don't want to wear a mask. Okay, I don't blame you. I don't either. That's why we set it up. So you only have to wear it for the five seconds between the host stand and your table and during your trips to the bathroom. Still have a problem? Consider this.
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‸ It devastated our savings and permanently eroded consumer confidence in dining out. Now we finally have a chance to open and all the relevant governing bodies instruct us to require a mask for admittance still have a problem. Please also be aware that it's also our staff preference. Why? First, if there is a case of COVID traced back to our restaurant, we have to test all staff and close again for an indeterminate amount of days. This puts an at-risk operation at even greater risk. Every day and every dollar counts more than I can describe. Second, the employees you see in the restaurant right now opted to come back of their own volition. With sky-high unemployment benefits to compete with, we have worked hard to build a workplace they want to come back to. One that offers fair compensation, above-average safety protocols, and most of all, management and ownership that has their best interest in mind. When you see a restaurant employee at work, it is usually because of some degree of loyalty or respect for the ownership, as well as faith in the safety measures they have put in place. These things took a great deal of time, effort, and personal care to build. I now know that demonstrating love for my team is the most important part of my job. More than ever, I recognize how hard I have to fight for them. If you are infected, either symptomatically or asymptomatically, you put them at risk, first and foremost. After all, they're the ones that pick up your dishes, your glassware, your napkins. They're the ones that clean the bathrooms after you use them. Do not disrespect them. On top of the terrifying work environment, they have returned to the new challenge of arguing with guests, about masks is hurtful and unnecessarily punitive. Walking past a half dozen signs saying masks are required and then acting surprised about it, even when we offer to give you one at our cost, is inexcusable. And berating a host does not make you a patriot or a constitutional scholar. It makes you a bully. And it affirms the growing realization that the customer isn't always right. You may question the ‸ lawfulness of executive orders. It's your prerogative. But one thing you can't question is that as a guest, our safety is in your hands.
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mask increases that safety. It doesn't guarantee it, but it makes your visit more safe for us. It's that simple. I have put my entire being into my restaurants.
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our loyal team members at risk unnecessarily. When you do so, you disrespect my family and the life we've built, not to mention the livelihood and possible lives of the people we employ. Bottom line, we're trying to survive.
your concern
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about wearing a mask for mere seconds pales in comparison to what's at stake.
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Good for you, Donna.
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Yeah, I mean, I had brought this forward last Friday to Matt because those are just a couple of the emails I've received. Are you guys not receiving them? Am I the only one that's getting, I mean, people are
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Why don't we have
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And, um,
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I feel like, you know,
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protected, for being clean, and for curing and protecting its citizens' health. So that's why I ask that this be brought forward. I don't like wearing a mask, but I wear one because your mom is a cancer survivor. Your son is too young to wear a mask. Um, and it's the only way we all have to protect each other. I'm sorry that some people have tried to politicize this. It's just basic public health. And I think that the more comfortable we get with the masks, the sooner we can go back to work, full steam. Um,
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You know, we talked about, you know, this could be an opportunity for, if our police department had masks, and there are people congregating to, you know, walk up and here's some masks and just wearing them.
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really, I wasn't thinking of it. It's actually other cities have done it. I wasn't thinking of it as a personal campaign per se,
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placard or something that could be put up in businesses to let people know we
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trying to be safe, as well as fun. So that's why I brought this forward. Um, I would like to hear if there are any legal implications for taking the more serious step of mandating it. I mean, at this point we have Orange County, we have several other counties surrounding us that have mandated it.
I can, well,
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me ‸ state that ‸ I know that our numbers are much lower than what's ‸ been stated. And, um, I understand that the surrounding areas,
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um, is kind of grouped in with the city of COCO, unfortunately, but they are surrounding our areas.
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I get it. But, um, I don't think that, and I see a lot of the residents out there and I see them every day that are actually here and they're actually wearing their masks. But then I've heard a bunch of contradicting stories with reference to these masks and with reference to what they're doing or not doing. And, uh, there's folks that suffer from claustrophobia and, uh, and there's other reasons why they don't wear their masks. And, uh, and I just think trying to force someone to make a mask, I say urging someone to, uh, and recommended that they work and make, or wear a mask is, um, okay. But I can't see basically saying, okay, you will wear a mask. And, uh, I just don't, I don't believe in that. I mean, it's just, unfortunately, a lot of folks are not
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the things that are not going to be.
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stuff that's out there, but
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about our numbers.
Um,
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about 78, 79, or?
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So,
you're exactly on point. The surrounding ‸ area, the unincorporated area, so, shows a lot larger number
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266. But when you actually break it down to what's in the city limits, uh, we're at 86 cases. And I understand, uh, ‸ that number fluctuates so much because
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number every day. Remember, you hit that 14-day cycle. Once they've passed the 14-day cycle, they're not any longer counted as infected or positive patients. So, they will move out of that bracket, and you may pick up another two or three, or you may drop six to eight. So, uh, for lack of a better term, it is a moving target. I mean, it's so much of a moving target. And that's not just in the city. That's across the United States. So, we look at that data and try to do the best we can on making determinations of what's best for our community, what's best for our employees, and what's best for our citizens. But I would not rest my hat on that data because it is such a moving target, and
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I'm not
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I mean, it might make us feel good, but we can't do anything about it. So, I would rather spend our efforts encouraging our citizens to do the right thing, to do a campaign, a social ‸ media campaign, or whatever Samantha can come up with to make it fashionable to wear a mask. Maybe even make it a contest among our teenagers to see who would come up with the most awesome mask. I just think there's more things we can do to encourage people to wear one than pass a law that we can't enforce anyway. So, that would be, my brother would be to put our efforts into encouraging people to do the right thing and educating them about why it's the right thing as opposed to, and I have
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and I only found one person
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So, I'm encouraged by the fact that depending on the store you go to, people actually do wear masks. So, but yeah, I ‸ think, just think our efforts would be better spent ‸ encouraging people to do the right thing rather than trying to force them.
Yeah, I left it in the car.
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Yes, ma'am.
Just to say, and of course, when I came
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having been in a couple of the
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you know, they have signs up
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people to wear masks, even hand sanitizers, and asking people to distance a little bit, and not getting a good response. So,
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So, that's where, you know, if they had, I don't know, maybe it would work, maybe not, but some sort of pledge campaign, I have seen it modeled in other cities, and it seems to be working there.
Yeah,
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did some research on some other communities that have done that, and I think Orange County has a really good one right now.
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It's more of a regional thing where there's a couple of counties involved in it, but they do, they list business, and businesses can sign up to be a part of it, and they have placards they can put in their windows. So, we're doing some research right now to put something together, and we'll have something that we can give to you all.
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And then, I don't know if Anthony had anything to chime in on.
I
think she wanted to know from a legality
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I really haven't done an in-depth legal review regarding mandating masks. I can tell you that generally, you know, there are potential issues, but generally, the local, you know, governments have general, you know, public health and safety welfare powers. On the other hand,
you
know, mandating a mask under all circumstances is probably fraught with some, you know,
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challenges. That's why you'll see in all the mandate resolutions and the urging or encouraging resolutions a list of exceptions, because, obviously, you're concerned that imposing this type of requirement is so overly broad that it's unconstitutional, and one side doesn't fit all.
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‸ you know, I've really, again, I haven't done an in-depth analysis. I'm not aware of any case that's, at least in Florida, that's come out and clearly said that a municipality can mandate a face mask. Okay.
And is
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they?
Orange
County mandates and is seeking voluntary compliance.
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Seminole County, yesterday afternoon at 2 o'clock, mandated masks with a whole host of exceptions, encouraging people to voluntarily comply. And if voluntary compliance is not met, there's some enforcement provisions in the resolution under the emergency power statute under Chapter 252 for the statutes. That particular mandate, however, didn't even come from the county commission. It was done by the top health officials of ‸ Seminole County.
Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. ‸ So, just
looking for a motion and a vote on either resolution that you have there.
Oh, yes. So, I would make a motion that we urge mask wearing. I guess that was the first one,
right?
Mm-hmm.
I'll second.
We
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mandating. No mandating.
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All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? It passes unanimously. Our next item up is a workplace mass and space covering policy.
Yes, Mr. Mayor. Kind of playing off of the prior item, we're seeing a rise in we did have a second positive case here within our employees. And then we have a number of employees that are undergoing testing.
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you know, we could probably get into the same debate the county commission did related to face masks. Mm-hmm. You know, ‸ we do believe if it holds some value, we want to ensure that while our employees are present at work, that we're taking the measures we can to protect them while they're at work, while also at the same time serving as an example for our community to protect themselves and do what they can.
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related to our employees that would require, with certain exceptions, because we have a number a variety of workspaces for our employees to include working outdoors in the heat, which presents its own challenges, let alone having masks present.
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the city already.
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well. And so, we would like to roll this policy out July 6th. And we have been working with all of the unions within the city. They've been presented this. They've provided comments in very short notice and actually very productive comments that we've been able to integrate. ‸ I think it's just important to note for our employees that may be listening or have some concerns still that, you know, this isn't something that we intend on seeking punitive you know, disciplinary action on the employees for not wearing them. And really the intent is just to ensure that we're doing everything we can to protect ourselves and each other. And then, you know, we will review this policy as well as the case counts as we continue because we realize the restrictions and the impacts of these masks on a daily basis. And so, we're also cognizant of that. And so, we'll continually review that. And should there be any necessary administrative changes, we would handle that on ‸ the staff's end to accommodate that. So, all we're asking right now is for City Council to approve that policy and then we can proceed with an effective date on July 6th. Okay.
Motion to close.
Okay. Just for Public Works. I know how do the
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and your mask don't mix. So, how do they feel about doing that style of work in those kind of circumstances?
‸ Generally, any of our field workers, they won't be wearing a mask unless they're coming in within six feet. So, they'll be in open air environments. That's different. Okay. Plus, with the heat alone, it's hard to wear a mask out there. Good point.
That's good to know. I'm glad you
Yeah, we covered some exceptions in the recognizing those situations and, you know, allowing them some freedom to, you know, and like,
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I think that's the preferred option for our employees, so that's what we'll be getting for them.
Okay. We
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All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed?
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‸ One question I wanted to ask, too.
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heat situation here the last week or so. Do we have a policy in place for our employees with reference to breaks when they when there's a certain temperature outside? Because
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of employees that actually passed out that was, you know, working in whether it be on the grounds or maintenance crews. And I was just curious if we had any policies in place.
I'll let Tammy respond specific to any policies on that. But I know with our crews, you know, we ask them all to watch each other. You know, if
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So they're able to go in the vehicle and ‸ run the AC to cool off, and we provide them I believe we provide them Gatorade pouches. And but we also do heat exhaustion training to our employees as well.
Okay. So there's no policy. It's just they are allowed to you know, when they're getting overheated.
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Yeah. We
had a heat exhaustion case.
I
wanted the last case I remember was about almost I think it was two years ago. Yeah. But it is very infrequent, but it can happen definitely.
Okay. They're allowed to get an AC. I need to give me a job here. My dad would kill me.
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so but anyway, that's the city manager.
Yes. So I just have one last item to review. We have some obviously some private events. I just wanted to follow up with counsel that our city attorney did get a waiver of liability and
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in July as well as August related to that. But we do have a couple of public events coming up. You have the grand opening of the TDoc Day Slip Promenade Project, which is scheduled for
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And then July 25th, you have the Dr. Jolie Smith Community Center grand opening. And so just want to have a discussion on what would you like to do with those dates as far as hosting continue to host those events, or do we need to look at a later date?
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Smith Center thing is inside. And we can expect a big crowd for that. Ooh, okay.
Well, if ‸ we do it in the gymnasium, that's a pretty good size. I think if we
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‸ then I think we'll be fine. That's ‸ my personal opinion. The
only problem
we have with the Jolie Smith Center grand opening, that is, we're trying to organize activities, not just the ribbon cutting. So it's a lot being organized as far as activity outside, inside, bounce houses, things of that nature that I know we may not be able to do. So we might I think we talked today in the meeting.
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So we put together a committee. I asked each member of Council to submit names for committee members, and we had our first meeting this afternoon. And a majority of the people that were part of that did express some concerns about hosting an event at the end of July, or even in the beginning of August, just with ‸ the
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cases at this point. And thought it would probably be best for us it's not to say that we won't open the facilities, because the facilities will open, and
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even if we talk about the waterfront projects are complete, and then host events at a later date, just based on the rise in cases. So based on the feedback we received from the committee members, they just thought it would be better if we waited a little bit, and we could plan for a time when people feel safe to come out, because
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participate in this. And we want people to feel safe to do so.
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and then
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Yeah, the outdoor I would think the outdoor we would be fine.
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know.
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at what our numbers are. That's what we said to the committee this afternoon, is that if that was the ‸ direction of council, we could come back to you all in a month and see where we are with cases and what you all
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moving forward for that event.
And we're also going to have a State of the City event as well that we were supposed to be they were supposed to be planning in August.
Virtually,
right?
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Were we going to do that virtually as well as
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Oh, yes.
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can I suggest maybe, Samantha, you talk to your committee and see if maybe we can't do a kind of
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and something we can promote on social media.
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To kind of get the interest up in it so that when we do, at least keep people excited about it in the meantime and make sure they don't think we forgot about it.
Sure, we can definitely do that. It was mentioned at the meeting today. I mean, I
saw you know, the pictures were great, but maybe a virtual tour or something.
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Jolie Smith to have at the grand opening, so maybe we could tie something that together with a virtual tour.
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Okay.
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Mr. Mayor, just real quick.
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Go ahead. I just wanted to update ‸ you on Friday's test site.
Yes.
We had 290 tests that were administered out at the test site, so that was a record day. They actually had to cut it off because they didn't have any more tests available, but it just, again, shows a great cooperation with the community, public-private organization, and what that means to our communities. The 290 tests were administered on Friday.
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I think that's great. It's a good turnout. Yeah. Thank you, sir.
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All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed?
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