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pray for our councilmen and women. I
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for all of our elected officials and staff, faculty, and I just pray that you would just be with us in our time tonight. In Jesus' name,
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the republic for which it stands, one nation and under God,
indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.
Roll call, please.
Mayor Williams?
Here.
Deputy Mayor Warner? Here.
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Councilmember Goins?
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Assistant City Attorney Ike? Present.
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Thank you.
Okay. We got, I know
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over the phone, so he's had some issues. I hope he's feeling better.
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our agenda in minutes.
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like to make a motion to approve the agenda with one amendment. I would
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I guess it would go under Council Business, so it would become, would it, for City Business?
City Business.
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I just say one thing too? ‸ Because it came to my attention that not everybody knows what a consent agenda is. And these are normally just routine items that, you know, we just go ahead and pass. It's just City Business that needs to be done. And my taking it out of the consent agenda does not mean that there's some controversy.
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And approve the agenda. Second.
Okay, we got a motion from Councilwoman Cox. A second from Deputy Mayor Warner. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed?
Aye.
It passes unanimously. Our minutes. Oh, they're not here. So, okay. We're going to move the awards and presentation. I do have an award here. Mr. Martin couldn't be here. But, you know, there's some additional information that I found.
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Wow.
Um, and, uh, we got a letter from the corporate office from Walgreens because they wanted us to recognize him. And, uh, then I found out later on, which was actually yesterday, that he actually spent 47 years working for Walgreens. And, uh, but his main, the main pharmacy that he was associated with was actually in Titusville. But he's still working for Walgreens, um, in another capacity. But his, um, his, um, base are the, the Walgreens that
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just reports to the, the Coco Walgreens office. And that's the reason I reached out to us. So, I will make sure I get this to him.
Uh,
and, uh, he couldn't be here today. I did speak with him. And, uh,
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still, he says on a, he's semi-retired, but he still works for Walgreens. And, uh, but he reports to the, it's, um, reported, um, ‸ Walgreens
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the one off of Clear Lake. So that's the reason I reached out to us. Okay. So, but anyway, I will get that to him. And, uh, I see no cards for delegation, which is kind of shocking. But, uh, we're gonna go ahead and move beyond delegations. And, um, I'm gonna get a motion, uh,
So moved.
For consent agenda. Yes, ma'am.
Yeah. Second.
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a motion from Deputy
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saying aye. Aye. Opposed. Aye. It passes unanimously. It's like a delayed reaction.
It's a four second delay or something over there.
Okay. We're gonna move on to our first item on the public hearing. Uh, approve the second and final reading of ordinance number 10-2019. Do, um, you need to read that in, uh?
Yes.
Yes, ma'am. All right.
An
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council of the city of Cocoa, Florida.
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property upon adoption of assessment rule, providing that the lien for a stormwater assessment collected pursuant to sections 197.3632 and 197.3635 Florida statutes
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the lien date for ad valerum taxes, providing that a perfected lien shall ‸ be equal in rank and dignity with the liens of all state, county, district, or municipal taxes and assessments, and superior in dignity to all other prior liens, mortgages, titles, and claims,
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providing a procedure for the collection of stormwater assessments, providing a mechanism for the imposition of assessments on government property, providing for severability, and providing an effective date.
Okay, thank you ma'am. Which staff member is speaking on this item?
Finance.
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Finance,
director.
So this is the second reading of the ordinance, and this ordinance will provide for billing of stormwater fees on the property tax bill, as opposed to it going on a utility bill.
Okay. This is, seeing as though this is a public hearing, I'm going to close it at this time to the council and open it up to the public for any public comments.
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so with that being said, I'm going to close it at this time
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Motion to approve.
We got a motion from ‸ Councilwoman Koss.
Second.
Second from Deputy Mayor Warner. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. ‸ Opposed? Opposed? It passes unanimously. Item number two. Yes, ma'am.
Yes. Ordinance number 9-2019, an ordinance of the city council of the city of Cocoa, Brevard County, Florida, amending chapter two, administration, article eight, firefighters retirement plan of the code of ordinances of the city of Cocoa by amending section 2-281, board designated as administrator composition, amending section 2-308, investment powers of the board, providing for codification, providing for severability of provisions, repealing all ordinances in conflict herewith, and providing an effective date.
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Administrative Services.
Yes, sir. This is the second and final reading on this ordinance change for our fire pension plan, and there was no changes since the last reading, other than we added the no impact statement.
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for our board members from two years to four years, which I believe our staff believes is a good thing, and it allows
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reopen it. Motion to approve. So we get a motion from Deputy Mayor Warner. Second.
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All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Aye. It passes unanimously. And, well, Community Service Director.
Staff is requesting that we postpone the consideration of an ordinance and many Appendix A, Article 11, Section 22 of the ‸ City of Cocoa Code to allow parking as a special exception
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So we wanted just to preserve the display ad.
Yes, ma'am.
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time and I'm going to reopen it to the ‸ council. Motion to approve. We got a motion from ‸ Deputy Mayor Warner. Second.
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All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.
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Mr. City Manager.
Yes, Mr. Mayor. On June 12th, the city did receive a letter from the
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and they are requesting to, for the city to either donate or sell the existing, or the former fire station at 114 First Street. And additionally, they would, the city would provide the phase one environmental site assessment, the city conduct mold and asbestos testing on the site, which I believe is already, ‸ has already been completed, and as well as the, I tell you, the environmental site assessment is underway. And then thirdly, the city would waive all building and permitting fees for the renovation work to ‸ be completed. In turn, they would, once they take possession of the building, they would expend approximately $300,000 to renovate the building and operate a restore for Cocoa residents.
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building supplies, furniture, and appliances. And if it is council's direction, the city attorney would proceed with, formulate an agreement that would outline the terms and conditions of, uh, transactions that would be brought back before city council for final approval. Uh, council should note that, um, there's two things. One, uh, the fire station is on two parcels, so it's going to require, actually, it's going to require a lot split and then a, kind of a, uh,
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know, but a lot split and then a combining of two lots. So it, because it's kind of the way, ‸ the way it's uniquely shaped, because it could, there's one lot that covers part, like where the bays are and then extended across to where the water towers, and then another lot goes partway through the building north to the parking lot.
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is, and I, it was provided to each of you,
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an email, uh,
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council agenda, I become aware of the section section seven, council business, item number one, uh, ‸ seeking direction, approval,
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the fire station property at 114
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putting in a bid to purchase the property as well. And, uh, you each have that email, um, um, in terms of the strategic plan, uh, connection, it is obviously one of the goals, it's
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be repaired and used to ‸ create jobs and offer services and materials to our residents,
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Okay. And then, and I know that I've, I've had some conversations with,
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that are looking for some office space as well, but I can let, if she wants to come up, can you, can you come up Kelly and just kind of, um, expound a little bit and then, uh,
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and we'll have you up here so we can ask you a few questions as well. I personally think that, uh, I've heard a lot about the restore.
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but when I mentioned that to quite a few, uh, a few people, individuals and, uh, they're really excited about it. Um, I guess the only one that we have right now is down in Palm Bay, and it's not centrally located. And at the time I didn't know of anyone that was interested in fire station one, when I talked to Kelly about this with habitat. And I thought it was an awesome, awesome opportunity for our city because habitat not only do a lot for our community, but for our communities, um, throughout the, the county.
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would be a great benefit for our community. That was my only intent when I, when I had conversation with her, it was no other, because like I said, I knew of anyone and no one have ever approached me about that facility and
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that facility for anything until after I've spoken with her and they've heard that we had talked about it. So with that being said, you can go ahead and just kind of talk a little bit about what your, your plans are, what you all's plans are.
Well, I know that Habitat for Humanity and Coco has had amazing relationship throughout the years. We have completed 68 homes in Coco, 19 in
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I believe that putting the restore up here would be a win-win situation for Coco and for us. As you mentioned, we sell slightly used items.
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we are able to sell. It would also give you some jobs up here, some extra jobs. And I, I really do. I think it would be a win-win situation.
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then I was looking at the amount of office space there and I know I reached out to Kelly about, because I know that, um,
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Pastor Watson, they just got a, a grant, um, ‸ got some funding for, um, a re-entry program, if that's my understanding. And, um, and I thought, man, that'd be great because you have all this office space here. It's a win-win for us in a lot of different ways. And then I had also, uh, had
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uh, that location and, uh, about maybe some office space in there, maybe just an office space in there, but I know they all have worked together in the many capacities and I thought it would be a win-win for our community.
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looking at. So, um, I have several lights here. Um, I just had a
question for, um, for Mary. Um, your resale store down in Palm Bay, how many square feet is that?
Do you, or? The actual store is 11,000, but we have office space upstairs, which I believe all together is like 18,000 square feet.
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Thank you.
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and everything you're doing and I recognize that, um, ‸ you add a lot of value to our community. So this is hard, what I need to explain my position because just came back from visiting a place where I lived for 20 years. And it was really eye-opening because I haven't been there, well, I haven't lived there for 10 years and to see how things have matured and the appreciation that has taken place. Just, you know, everything from the trees maturing to the businesses that have come in and the property values going up
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but I don't love, I don't like the idea of giving the property away.
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maintain the property so that we, so, you know,
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would hurt your business, but if something happened down the road where you didn't want to be there anymore, the citizens of cocoa would have that property back. I ‸ think that property is, is so centrally located. And if we were to develop in certain ways, I'm just, is, is, would you be open
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that if you help pay for us renovate it.
What are other feelings
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we had a city department who was out of space and needed space and, um, they were thinking that that might be useful. They had had some conversation with Gary Palmer who felt like the part of the building that had been used for housing of our firefighters and their living quarters uh, was beyond, uh, our ability to make repairs and make it usable. It has asbestos, it had,
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at upwards of $60,000 to repair that.
And
it was Gary Palmer's suggestion that we just go ahead and tear that section off because the rest of the building was in decent shape. We could make some minor improvements to the roundhouse, which is uh, solid concrete and other than smelling like mildew inside is, is a really solid building.
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no secure storage for our traffic homicide vehicles and for evidence, um, for vehicles. Uh, so I know the police chief was, um, having discussion about potentially using that building if we got to the point where we could tear off that one section and make it usable because he could do secure storage there. In the meantime, we were using it for the toy drive and to store the cocoa community first,
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that we do need space for the police department. Um, I also know that in the past our process, I believe
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the city attorney can help me has been if we had a city property to dispose of, we went to RFP and gave everybody an opportunity, kind of like we did with the old city hall property, to give us their vision of what could be done on the property and what the highest and best use would be. So to say, well, we're going to do this with it without investigating what other possibilities or potentials or what other great ideas are out there, I think is kind of a disservice. I also love Habitat for Humanity, um, made a special trip to
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specifically to, um, visit Habitat's headquarters and, um, was fortunate enough to meet some of the ladies who work there in the headquarters and dedicated people. And I know that Pastor Walsh is doing great things in the community as well. But I, I think if we step out of what we have done in the past and the procedures we have followed in the past, we may be opening ourselves up for some criticism and, and which could
affect
whoever we decide, uh, should benefit from the building. So I just think we need to maybe ask the city attorney and the city manager what our normal process is and follow whatever our normal process is. If we want to, uh, unload this property, lease it, give it away, sell it or whatever. I just, I think we need to follow whatever procedures we normally follow for this type of thing.
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I know we've done it with vacant property that the
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um, and, uh, where we've, where it's gone out. So, uh, but I've never seen it on a piece of, on an existing property with an existing building on there.
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Um, and this property is in
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CRA, correct? Yes. Yes. Yes. And, and was it, was it acquired, um, prior to the formation of CRA?
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uh, for, uh, community redevelopment agencies when you're disposing of property that's established by statute that you would follow, which would include an RFP process. So this is
a CRA decision, not a council decision? No. Okay.
Sorry. Let me finish. So, but because the, there are, um, attorney general opinions that, uh, discuss that if a property is acquired prior to the formation of the CRA and not for CRA purposes, that that procedure, that statutory procedure wouldn't apply.
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uh, policies in terms of disposition of property, although they tend to,
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it, the language tends to apply more to like tangible property and not real property. Uh, however, the typical way that that's dealt with is through auction or through an RFP type type process. Um, if, you know, if,
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the council wanted to, uh, move forward with possible negotiations or looking, looking at, at this without an RFP, um, I think that, uh, my office would look at, is there an adequate municipal purpose for donating that? So, and, and that would be part of, of that investigation.
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have to, so, I mean, we, we can't pick it. Well, that haven't, there's
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be a ‸ conversation. ‸ Yeah. That's still a conversation. I'm just saying, it's just, so we can't pick and choose how we're gonna, when we're gonna do these things and, and how we, and which way we decide to go based on individuals, you know, I'm just, I'm looking at it from a standpoint on how it's gonna ‸ benefit our, our community.
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for this particular item, why was, why was, why wasn't this addressed before it got put on the agenda? That's the question I have because it's a waste of time. Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, because we got, am I, am I wrong for saying this?
No.
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paperwork and, and, uh, you know, and this has never been a part of the discussion. So, uh, I'm just, I'm just a little surprised. And if there's other people that are interested in it,
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I'm seeing now, if you were interested in it, why didn't you approach us?
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now when it comes to here at the last hour when someone else is, um, trying to acquire the property, you know, and it's, it's the most silliest thing I've ever seen in my life. And it's like, uh, it's foolish.
I'm not sure anybody knew it was available because it was being used.
And ‸ according to what I was told, there were some inquiries and I didn't know anything about the inquiries with reference to this facility. I was actually told that there was an organization that was actually getting this facility unbeknownst to myself or any other council members that, any of the new council members that had just come on here. So, uh, I've heard a lot of different stories, unfortunately. And, uh, but, but none of the players have ever come forward and approached us with reference to, uh, a warrant this facility or having any interest in this facility. Now, all of
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it's all the little games and, uh, this gets old. I mean, it gets old, but anyway, uh, I
got,
I got one card here. Let me have this one gentleman come up.
Uh,
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Uh, he wanted to speak on this item.
I need, they finished.
Yeah. Yeah. You all can have a seat right up front there. Then if we need
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another individual that's interested in the property of the fire department. His name is
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He cannot be here tonight. Uh, he will be in contact with, uh, Mr. Tatanich. Also, uh, I had a conversation with you, mayor about community
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April.
Yeah. That was after.
‸ No. Uh, the whole thing is, is I was my impression that community first was going to end up with that building before the elections.
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did discuss the item with myself and
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Kelly did with habitat for humanity. You know, whether or not the city wanted to donate it,
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was like, well, then you put, submit a letter to the city and we never received a letter from Cocoa community first.
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this was for
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Well,
okay. All right. But I just figured to let you know that Joe Whitley, a citizen of Cocoa is interested in the property. What? For purchase.
Okay.
Are we obligated to have an RFP for this property?
No. There is no, you're not obligated to. There is no procedure for that.
Okay.
Oh boy. So,
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Well, we're here to provide ‸ direction to the staff, so, um,
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any agreement that we have with them, that we have that option for it to revert back to the city. You know, if in the event that they decide to, they don't want to do this anymore or whatever, we would have first bids based on, based on whatever investments they've made, they've made depreciate it, you know, um, uh, you see what I'm saying? Because if they're going to invest 300, 400,000 in the facility,
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bring the facility up and do some upgrades to it. Then based on, uh, the depreciation value of the upgrades that they made, then we should have the option to get that back just based on, you know, uh, uh, reimbursing them back some of their monies that they've invested in the community and the facility to bring it up to snuff
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process, that's here is what I would like to suggest. Um, I would like to suggest that we ask the city manager to investigate and see if we do actually have a city department that has need of the space or if we're going to have to, at some future point, rent or lease or build space for another city department because they're going to be out of space. So as long as the city has no use for the property, then I would like staff to give us a recommendation as to what they see as our best option. Give staff an opportunity to investigate because all they've done is brought us Mary's proposal, which is a great proposal. Personally, I can't wait for a resale store because I refuse to drive to Palm Bay. But,
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are, but I also don't want to say,
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And then in our budget process go, gee, we're going to have to spend a hundred thousand dollars to buy a storage shed for the police department. So, you know, and I know right now we're at a critical point with some of our evidence that has to be stored outside and that they have a shed or something back there that's being used and the facilities just aren't adequate. I just, I don't want to give away something that we have a use for, but I'm perfectly fine with leasing or whatever if ‸ we don't have any use for it. So I would just like more information from the city staff, give them an opportunity to bring us some, some information to make sure that, that we're doing the proper thing.
And see, the thing with me is I've heard, I have
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the chief or anyone that stated that there were some issues and some concerns that, and they needed this facility. And I mean, I, I've had a couple of individuals approach me and talk about it, but I've never directly heard anything from the police department. And, uh, see that that's what I talk about. That's what I mean when I talk about lack of communication and what's going on here. I mean, it's just,
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me. I, I wouldn't ask.
No, no, no. I'm just saying, I mean, I just never heard anything about it. But
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and so, Mr. Mayor, the chief has raised the issue in the past. And one of the ‸ first steps was, again, we, you know,
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you know, the, and built a new fire station beyond the strategic locations and maximizing it was, even though it's fairly close, but this, this building does have plumbing issues, has some pretty significant issues. And we were in the process when ‸ Cocoa Community first, and then shortly after that, the, the Habitat for Humanity, but we were in the process of tearing down the administrative
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that he could store, you know, vehicles that were related to
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My thing is, have we not built the new fire station, then what would we have done?
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that's something we need to look at, I mean, for our police department. And, and I think it should be, you know, I don't know how much space they have over where they are now, but we need to look at something that's comfortable and something that close to the, the police department that, but I just think it's something that if it needs to be addressed, there's an issue that we need to address,
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think that it's a benefit to our community. That's my, my thing. But I mean, if you're gonna, and I can understand where Kelly's coming from, if you're going to invest the money that they're looking to invest in this property, you know, then,
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you know, other than the building. And they're basically saying that, you know, if you guys have something that you want to give us to help us out, then help us out. But if you don't, then okay, it's all good. We'll, we'll get this done, you know.
Well, chief, the, the area that you need for storage is mainly for outside use for cars outside or inside as well.
We would, if, if it was available, the, the bays were the area that we were looking at. Because the current problem we have, we have a small storage impound lot at the police department. I'm sure some of you have seen that. It's a fenced in lot, but it is open. It's not covered. When we have vehicles that are either traffic homicide vehicles or seized vehicles, a lot of times we have to hold those vehicles for a period of time. It, with the weather, the sun, the rain, everything else, after a period of time, those vehicles pretty much turn into nothing because they sit in the sun, they, they take that beating. So yes, if, if, if that was available, and I had mentioned it before, when they had talked about tearing down the, um, administrative office side, if, if, if nobody was going to do anything with it, yeah, we'd love to have just the bays. Um, you know, for us that would, the only thing we would do to that is, um, there's really no air conditioning in there or anything.
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Uh, we put a security system in and that's pretty much it. We could also, at that point, um, some of our larger items, like we did a case a couple of years ago with a, uh, gambling establishment in the city. We seized, I think, a hundred computers, a hundred towers, a hundred, I mean, we had so much stuff that we had it stacked in our, in our evidence room.
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probably have close to 60 or 70,000 pieces of evidence in our, in our evidence room. Um, it is getting cramped. Uh, and when we do big cases like that, we don't have any place to put it. Um, we do have a shed that we put, uh, out on the backside several years ago. It's not really conducive to storing evidence.
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speak to this as far as what we have on our property now, I think we're built out to the max for any kind of permanent structure, if I understood it right.
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we had talked before about taking that small area where the, um, current compound is and trying to put like a metal shed or something to that degree, just so that we could get some cover over those things. So that's kind of what we were looking at. But, you know, again, from our standpoint, um, whatever council feels is best for that building and stuff,
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make do what we have to do.
And it's just unfortunate that you, you look at our police department and, uh, uh, I don't, I guess ‸ the design back then was based on looks because there's so much dead space in there where
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us tons of space.
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‸ It was built different.
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to move forward with this whole deal with the habitat and others going in there. And
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also like to look at, um, some other options on what we can do for our police department. They, they, um, have something done, something closer to where they are so we can address those issues that serve, because if that's a concern, then it needs to be addressed.
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you guys want to do? I mean, we just give them directions. I'm up. They've got mine for me. I I'm just telling you, I want to move forward with this. I think that they're going to be a benefit to our community. We, we got, um, uh, possibly, possibly three organizations that would benefit for some of the office space in there, but then the habitat, you know, the bulk of it will be, you know, the bays and a lot of the, most of the office space in there. So it's a win-win for us. It's a benefit to our community and, um, I'm in, I'm in
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look at, um, finding some, um, some answers for our police department as well as far as, um, getting that situation taken care of. I didn't know it was getting to that point, but that's, um,
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possibilities for the police department?
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station, but do we have any other storage place?
It would be, you know, even if you use the open for the fencing area at a former fire station three, it would be again open and subject to the elements. We looked at that previously.
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station three. And then I think is for those who participated this morning, you know, that, that could be an alternate site if we had to operate, you know, at a fire station three.
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mean, we did repair the roof with the recognition that one, it was the newest out of all of the, our old and older fire stations, but it's, there's not a site that I know of, um, where we currently have space.
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matter of fact, the command post is being stored at fire station one was previously at fleet, but there was, you know,
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that is on the market or available.
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next step be some sort of contract?
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said, you know, depending on your direction, it's if you, if your direction is to, uh, for Habitat for Humanity, the city attorney would, you know, come back, um, with formulating an agreement that would outline the terms and conditions, outline the terms and conditions, and it would be brought back to council for final approval.
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be, you know, boundary line adjustments and separation or subdivision of those parcels.
But
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be their responsibility anyway, correct?
Well, I think we would have
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And I think that they would be a great usage. Um, you know, we could delay this and ask for, you know, to see other proposals and make the decision based on that.
I think that's what I'd mentioned earlier as far as asking the staff to see what the other options were.
And bring back a lease option as well, like you were saying earlier too.
I ‸ just, um, my thing is, um, you know, I just, I don't like doing business like this. ‸ We, um, always at the last minute, you have all these other proposals and people that are interested that never even show up and never come to the table to talk to you about anything, but then they throw all that stuff out there and, uh, and, uh, I just, it's just too much, too many, too many of these ridiculous delays, you know, based on some,
uh,
but I understand that everybody's trying to do their due diligence.
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on this because I think that, uh, we need to just start coming up with some, uh, uh, an agreement, you know, with the, with the city attorney, just based on some directions that we give the staff.
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guys are a part of this.
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we still taking the same space from the police department that
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So. Somebody
needs to make a motion. Is that
the best of just
a storage facility versus something that's actually
generating and providing services?
I was
just excited to hear the Habitat had $300,000 to spend because I don't know of another nonprofit we have in the city that can put that kind of money into the facility. What a
great organization to have based here. But we
do have other, I mean, they're using 11,000 square feet in
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So I do have some concerns about that. So
it's just a, it's just more centrally located and it's just, uh,
‸ But we do have plenty of vacant warehouse space in the city and there's several buildings available down by our, um, city, um,
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noticed a couple of warehouses for sale down there right there near our city facilities in the, uh, industrial area this week. So, um, so we do have other availability in the city if, um,
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This is not the only available, uh,
facility. So, so my question is this. If we, if we don't move forward with Habitat of Humanity and we still have a bunch of items inside these, inside this facility that we're saying right now that police need is if all the items inside of that building is going to be removed from that building since our police need them.
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Yeah, but all I'm saying, if we're saying that police need this facility. Well,
right now, but then it is the Christmas toys and the stuff for the canine competition, which they can probably find a private citizen to donate some space to store that stuff. We've in previous years, the toys for Christmas that have been collected, we have had to go out into the community and find a citizen with available space. Like, uh,
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So this year we had that building available. So the toys went there. It was more secure than putting it in somebody else's property, not knowing who all had keys to the building. So the toys that were left over from this year's toy drive,
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would have been used for this coming year. Those are still there. Like I said, the canine competition stuff, which you and the mayor helped paint and build, that stuff is there. The other items that are there are mostly stuff that can be given to Jerry over
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place to put the toys
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the canine stuff. But like I said, in past years that's been handled with private citizens donating their facilities. So,
um, and I don't think that, um, and, and I personally don't think that, I mean, if there's, if there's some,
especially,
you know, now and with probably within the next couple of years and getting everything situated, I don't think habitat would have an issue with, with letting them have a little space to put some toys in there for now. You know, I mean, but, but anyway, I just, you guys just come on. I mean, what do you guys want? We need to move forward from this right here so we can, uh, no, this is, uh, ‸ yeah.
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to give the staff some directions.
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Okay.
Well. You
want me to make a motion?
It doesn't matter. If not, I'll make a motion.
Um.
I'll tell you what,
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with the city attorney and, uh, negotiate with, um, habitat for humanity as well as, you know, um, based on some of
the
information that we have given you all. But at the same time, you know, um,
um,
look into the possibility of, um, I know there's some other individuals now that are interested in the facility, but just see where they're coming from and what they'd like to propose. But
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they are, are, want to be, uh, want this facility as well.
Yeah. Mr. I would just caution. And if you now start entertaining the, if, you know, whether it be Joe
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to just ‸ open it up to a full RFP.
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individuals and now you've excluded me.
Well, the four, okay, the motion will be to move forward with, um, with, um,
negotiating
with, um, ‸ habitat. Okay.
But I, I'm still, I don't, I don't understand what we're doing. So if, if we put out there for another, for RFP, it's still going to be the same problem.
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with storage. If someone else comes in and purchase the property, they still, we still won't have storage for the police department.
Okay.
So I
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Just to respond to that storage and warehousing is a relatively, that's relatively inexpensive versus an actual service that we're providing our citizens. So, I mean, I, they're really not equal in my mind's eye. But you're, and we have to look at what is going to serve the citizens the best for that. But that
service can be provided anywhere. And habitat obviously has the money to look at other facilities with having $300,000 to invest.
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Or do we want to keep what we have and keep our expenses?
I,
that's why I, ‸ we need the staff to do an evaluation and bring us back. I mean, what's it going to cost us to find storage for the police department? How much storage are we talking about? What are we going to have to spend to tear down the, the section of the building, the, the residential section of the building that is in bad shape and is pretty much beyond our ability to repair?
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make a solid decision about leasing, giving away or going out for an RFP on the building. ‸ That's my opinion. But if somebody wants to make a motion, I'll be happy to.
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storage is not your normal items.
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about vehicles. ‸ Right. That's, that's what they're looking at trying to store.
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conducive.
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I'd like to address council, council Warner.
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right now.
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it for.
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A million.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah.
So adding value.
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like.
So
you keep saying that if we can throw $300,000 at that, we can go somewhere else. Well, not necessarily so because those buildings are going to be even more.
Mm-hmm.
And we can, we can come in and get a building that is, needs, definitely needs rehab and work on it. But if we go to one of the ones that you say we could get, ‸ now we're spending even more money on that.
So it's either you spend more money or we spend more money. That's what I want an answer from the city manager from.
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That's all I want to know. Okay.
And I understand that. I really do. I just wanted to address that we don't have the $300,000 to throw on it. Right. I'm sorry. I was hoping you did. I was hoping I did, too. Okay. I'll take donations.
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I
believe there's a motion on the floor. Yeah,
I
got a motion. To, to sell this property to Habitat for Humanity for these purposes, right? Or to proceed at least
to. Yes. Yeah. And I will second the motion. Proceed with negotiating with Habitat. ‸ Let's ‸ go from there. And then bring it back to us. So we got,
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All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed?
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It passes. So let me just, well, the staff got directions, though. Okay. We're going to move on to item number two. Consider the appointment of Mrs. Pamela Shea as a member of the Board of Adjustments. That's the wishes of the council.
Motion to
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Go ahead. Go ahead. Motion to approve. Second.
We
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A second from Deputy Mayor Warner. All in favor signify by saying aye.
Aye.
Opposed? Aye. It passes unanimously. We can move on to city business. Number one, approve the first reading of, go ahead, ma'am.
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Um, an ordinance of the city
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chapter 22 of the
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and water utility rates, fees, and charges from the city code, which are otherwise adopted by resolution, and to make further housekeeping and to
make further housekeeping amendments,
providing for the repeal of prior and consistent ordinances and resolutions, incorporation into the code, severability, and an effective date.
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agenda item is to segregate the utility rates section from the rest of the handbook and so I would like to point out that this is not changing any rates and it's doing some housekeeping items as far as cleaning up some of the verbiage. So staff is requesting that council approve this ordinance. Okay.
Thank you,
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from deputy mayor Warner all in favor signify
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the proposed fiscal year 2020 benefit renewal for the medical consolidation to one medical plan and renewal for the dental and
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Yes, sir. Every year our department works on the benefit renewal for our health insurance for the city and active retirees on our plan. Our garen group is here to present on this item right now this is Shawn Fleming our benefit broker from the
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but mainly we're going to present on the medical piece of it. The
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we, we have an insurance task force which is made of a committee of employees
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multiple city departments and, union bargaining members.
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we had two meetings that happened ‸ the last meeting that happened they voted on the recommendation that we're bringing forward tonight. So, just wanted to provide that background. And the, the medical plan, was an increase this year based on the increase of medical claims we've had the past year. And, the city manager has worked with our finance department to, continue to absorb the increase for our employees.
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comes out of their paycheck for their health insurance contributions. But it's a bigger increase to the city.
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been here for a little bit tonight so just want to hit on a couple ‸ things and happy to answer any questions you all have about the plan the claims experience and some of the things that we are looking at so real quick for a
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year what that means is the city pays an administrative fee to a third party
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They administer the program ‸ the city, the federal benefits, they recruit the doctors, the hospital's network of providers and negotiate contracts with them. The city pays them an administrative fee, which is a very small percentage of the overall cost. And then the city pays the claims as they occur. So if an employee goes to the doctor, as an example, after they pay their copay any difference in the charge is paid by the plan. So that's what we're talking about ‸ When we first
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was an overall savings
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by doing that.
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the time was because we were rolling out the health center. And
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by having the employee health center was a direct savings to the city. So that self-funded can give that immediate savings.
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what we do is we look at the average claims per employee per year. And
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where we've been. That's predominantly driven by a very small number of catastrophic claims. So we've had a couple of situations with costs upward of a million
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on a plan. um So that's really what's driven of our costs. We've also had a number of cancer claims as well as some of those trauma and some vascular circulatory claims. We actually had last year 42 claimants that had over 50 000 in individual
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on the plan. That's really what's been driving our experience. Five individuals were over 200 000
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represented about a quarter of the spend. So it's really those catastrophic claims. So one thing that uh traditionally going back, the city had three plans and employees had choices whether they wanted a base plan, a buy-up, or what we call a premier plan. Over the years, and you can
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the cost of the claims that they were having were significantly higher than uh the lesser plans. In 2017 and
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we actually eliminated that Premier Plan uh because the costs were about five times everything else. So what was happening is uh a small
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small population
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So we
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um or
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and will. But just real high level, um the clinic return on investment for every dollar that we're spending in the clinic,
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So that's why we continue to focus on the
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And just a couple highlights.
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uh
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the clinic uh can do a lot of information
uh can do a lot of things
to identify and diagnose some of those high-top conditions. But obviously cancer and
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those through the clinic. uh
so
as we alluded,
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did look at multiple strategies, including reducing the plans from
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to
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changing the schedule of benefits, which impacts employees. uh
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the coverage. And then we also looked at a little more uh extreme option of going to high deductible plans, where every single thing on the plan would be subject to the deductible.
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do was minimize as much as possible the impact of both the employees in the city. So of all the benefits on the plan, we're looking at only tweaking
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year. um
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the last
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a deductible experience because there's a lot of copays on the plan. So we felt that was obviously beneficial because we're not impacting a large percentage of the population. um
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then we're making two changes or considering two changes for uh behavior.
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goes to the emergency room for
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sure um that there's some financial incentive there in that decision and then changing advanced imaging which is going to be your MRIs and CAT scans
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competitive in the market. One thing I want to note, because every time
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somewhat concerning for some individuals. But based on what employees are paying for that plan,
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family coverage. So although they will not have as rich as a schedule of ‸ benefits, they're going to have a lot more money in their pocket from payroll deductions to offset that. uh And then as Tammy uh hit on, um we're looking at no change to the employee
contributions. So if you were
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in the base plan now,
what
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you're paying this year is what you would pay next
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it's actually going to go down. ‸ And then the last thing in there is we actually negotiated to help with the increase ‸ and uh
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additional pharmacy rebates that will come back
to
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the city. So that's by renegotiating that contract on when employees don't around name drugs, there's rebates that come back
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then just come back. um
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um Everything is at no rate increase so there's no change on that. And then we're really focused looking at those claims on what can you do to continue to control those costs in the future. So what we work with staff and the task force on is a plan with Cigna called Motivate
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So we're finalizing some of that plan, but
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health screenings as an example if you're eligible for a colonoscopy, um mammogram, different things like that. When you go do that through Cigna or the health center, it will record and you'll actually earn points for that. And
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we'll
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convert those points into rewards for the employees for what they did ‸ that's really to look at making sure people are taking the right steps um and preventative care towards their health, given that little bit of extra incentive. And with that, I know I went really fast, and that's a little late, so I'm happy to answer
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clinic. I mean that must
be trending too.
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i mean do other people, are they picking up on this? and
Quite a bit. So
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state. ‸ clinics, all municipalities.
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probably at least 50 to 70 municipalities across the state that have them. When you start narrowing that down to the larger size ones, so you take out one with 20 or 30 employees, you know that percentage is probably even higher. And I think from the employees point of view, it's a great benefit that's
a great benefit thank
you, sir.
What was the wishes of the council?
Motion to approve.
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All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. ‸ Aye. opposed It passes unanimously. And uh
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over there and I haven't asked you um for your input on anything, so I apologize for that. I just got to remember that you're over there. Anything
i'll fight something there
Okay. Thank you, sir. uh Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.
Thank you,
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oh ‸ man,
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Okay. We're gonna ‸ move on to our next item.
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Which is the the item that was pulled from the consent agenda? Yes, ma'am.
Yes, sir. Thank you, Mayor. this is a new item 8.3 to approve task order 2019-04 with ch2m hill engineers also known as jacobs Engineering, for the bidding phase assistance and services during construction for security system improvements
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and Reliability
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put on the city business, so there you go, ma'am. Go ahead. ‸ yeah,
because, I mean, this was,
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So, is it based on a risk analysis? Is it?
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ma'am. uh ‸ we, we have engaged CH, uh it was probably more than 18 months ago, and it was also in conjunction after we had completed a Homeland Security assessment at the plant. So, uh CH, security, uh
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the security, uh scope is included in, uh their, uh original contract and scope of services
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provided when they originally RFQ'd for
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record. okay um
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approach to, to occur so that we could basically create a RFQ that can go out and qualify, uh personnel before we actually go to construction. And the reason for that is because of the security improvements, we don't want to broadcast construction drawings, you know,
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So,
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That's, ‸ that's pretty large. ‸ We expect that we would have quite a few people, apply, but again, you never know, ‸ And
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And then there'll be a kind of a part two, and I'll just mention it, because we mentioned the chemical conversion reliability, it's a very large project. When we create new buildings and new chemical treatment at the plant
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but those will be built into that project. Okay. This one will address some gate security and and perimeter security at the dial plant. because That's stuff we can do right now. We don't have to wait for the project, and we'll also be putting in, of course, servers and cameras and things of that nature.
Okay, great. And just let me take this opportunity to publicly thank Jacobs Engineering for supporting the
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High School Chorus as well. um Motion to approve. Second.
We get a motion from
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second from Deputy Mayor Warner. All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye.
aye
Opposed? It passes unanimously. We're
going
to move on to our multi-year contract. uh Chief Police.
Yes, Mayor ‸ Council, this is ‸ a proven multi-year in a local agreement between the
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for school crossing guard services for the school year commencing
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anyone on. City Administration, Mr. Wegriff.
No reports, sir. Thank you, sir.
Ms. Bowman.
I'd like to remind Council that starting on Monday, July 15th, the customer service hours will be changing. Council previously approved them to be changed from 8 o'clock until 430, and by closing customer service, that will allow the customer service representatives to process the people that are standing in line and allow them to leave at 5 o'clock as the rest of the city hall does.
Thank you, ma'am. Is
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one item. I'd like to just thank City Council today for participating in the 2019 Emergency
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and more importantly, our city staff, the time and effort that they put in to participate in that each year, coming prepared and being prepared to do our work for the citizens of the city and the community as a whole. So thank you, City Council, for participating in that.
I
appreciate you, sir. And we appreciate the efforts of our fire department and yourself
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reference to that little issue we had here earlier on. So, but we really do appreciate that.
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Ms. Singer? Anything? Okay. No.
‸ No
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Maybe about 13 pages here, Mr. Mayor.
Mr. Mayor, I just, uh, just need to make a modification to our budget schedule in terms of we had anticipated trying to get to you the, um, our, the workshop, the budget work, budget books for the workshop,
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which would have been, I think, the 17th, and we need to push that back to about the 24th. We're still trying to reconcile and make sure we're, you know, that we're there. And then, so, we'll provide you that information on the, uh, at the meeting of the 24th. Uh, and then the other item is, uh, absent a meeting on early tomorrow, or, wait, no, not tomorrow, um, Friday morning, after that I will be off, uh, I'll be on vacation, um, and returning on the 22nd.
Okay.
Is that it? Yes, sir.
Oh, thank you, sir. And then also, Mr.
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I don't know who, which department had it. I'm sure it was probably ‸ public works, or, um,
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Um, uh, but it was on 520 for quite some time, so I appreciate you guys taking care
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people that asked me about it, and I had saw it, and I was hoping, I mean, I don't know what our policy is, but, uh, I had, um,
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manager, and, uh, I don't know what our policy are when it comes to our employees, with
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certain things that we see on our streets, especially some of our main intersections. But it would be nice if, um, if we just tuck it upon ourselves, you know, that when we see stuff like that, just take a few minutes and, uh, and then pick it up. And, uh, I mean, it's just, uh, it was just unsightly for quite some time. And I just, you know, I just, I just think that sometimes we need to take some initiative. And I may, I know it's not the employees jobs, but I mean, you know, we should take pride in our community. And it's just, when we see something like that, it really should be taken care of, because that's what people see as they're driving through our community and through our city. And, uh, and we know for ‸ the folks that have lived here, uh, for a number of years and know that, um,
um,
we've been treated and have been treated by some as, as what I call the dumping grounds of the county. And we're not, we have, um, we're, the city's a jewel and, uh, and, uh, I'm looking forward to bringing it to that level. That
when
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people, when they drive through our city, they respect us and respect our city and, uh, don't trash our city.
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point where our employees, when they see something like that, they take it upon themselves to say, hey, let me get out here and get this out of here because this is our city. And, uh, but I'm looking forward to that day. But with that being said,
uh,
Deputy Mayor Warner.
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returning in time for the county. Council meeting on the 24th.
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for a couple of
weeks. And then I'm
headed to Kentucky to help get rid of Mitch McConnell.
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But anyway, I'm gonna go ahead and get my reports now, my report now. Um, I just
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um,
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down here and, and, um, had a trash pickup.
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surrounding area. And, uh, it was, uh, well attended.
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almost two hours.
I
had another event I had to go to, but it was really nice and really did appreciate their efforts. But there was something that we discovered. And that's that, um, uh, we don't have any, um,
sick,
uh, butt cans. Right. In the village.
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were so many cigarette butts throughout our city.
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was, it was unbearable. I mean, I mean, downtown, they're everywhere.
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um, some butt cans down there for cigarette butts. And if they're not putting them out in the, uh, um, if they're not
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um,
um,
smashing them out on the grounds,
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actually doing them on the walls and so forth and so on. And you can see that throughout the village, but,
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Get some butt cans along the way.
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Um, I attended that event, you know, Saturday night as well. Great event. Um, some awesome shows coming up. Um, and to all the recipients of the awards that were received that night, you know, uh, uh,
uh,
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But it was well attended.
I
mean, it was a pack house there. It was very nice. And, um, like I say, they got an awesome upcoming season. ‸ That's getting ready to happen. So, uh, looking forward to being a part of that as well as, um, possibly, um, trying to get in one of the shows, um, as a, probably just an extra. Really? Really? And then also, uh, for, uh, we have the ribbon cutting
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uh,
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Well, the, the, the ribbon tying ceremony on the, uh, the, the sign there on,
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It was quite a few, um, individuals showed up. It was a great event. And, um, they are so appreciative of what the city have done.
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They were so thankful to the council and everyone for, um, allowing them to do that. And it kind of worked out really well because
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when I counted down. So it worked out really great. So there wasn't anything that was scheduled.
It
just worked out that way. And then the, and the thank you to the, um, the folks at,
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And a big thank you to the city of Rockledge.
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It was a great event, uh, to all the staff that was involved. It was absolutely awesome. I just hope that next year that, that there's, uh, we look into maybe some serious traffic direction, you know, um, you know, with the traffic flow coming out of there from all directions. It was, uh, it was a nightmare getting out of there. And then, uh, a big thank you to the staff that was involved with the FYI.
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because it really focused on stuff that's happening
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up the trash along Dixon and clear
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them as well as, um, some of our volunteers on our boards that have passed and, uh, and then just a recognition of those individuals, which I thought was absolutely incredible and awesome. And I'm sure that you're going to get a lot of, um, input from the public, um, a reference of that because that's what it's all about right there.
And
that, as far as getting that information out to the people and just letting people know what's happening in the community. So a big thank you to everyone that was involved in putting that together. But anyway, I'm going to go ahead and stop and, uh, councilman
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uh,
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on August 10th. It's matinee performance tickets are only $25. We are already at $20,000 of
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talented group, uh, has been invited
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to be invited to perform Carnegie Hall for, um, for the 9-11 commemoration. And I was just digging through here because I have a letter from the governor, um, supporting them and recognizing their talent. So, uh, again, appreciate Jacobs Engineering for, um, being a major sponsor in that. And I want to, uh, send a
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and raised $5,000 on the spot and has been a big champion as well as Ruth for getting our coverage in Florida today.
I
really appreciate that.
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Did you tell the date of the concert?
Oh, it's August 10th. Did I not say that?
And
then
did you get them?
Saturday, August 10th.
And it's the cost?
It's $25 for a ticket and you can just go on their website and get tickets.
Okay.
Anything else?
I
forgot.
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of all, we, two weeks ago,
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um, from, um, their museum, uh, in Hannibal Square. So I'd like to thank the staff,
um,
uh, Mr. Fuhrer, Mr. Nile,
uh,
Councilmember, uh,
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And also, Jewel Collins came as well. Um, we had an awesome time. I think we got a lot of great information about moving forward with our African American History Museum. Um, I, I believe in partnerships ‸ and I think we,
we,
you know, gained a great partner, uh, with Hannibal Square. Um, so I'd like to thank staff for doing that for us as well. And Matt and his kids running around.
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and, and sometimes even,
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that, um, you want doesn't mean it's a dislike for you. Uh, sometimes being up here and making decisions is, um, it's difficult at times.
Um,
sometimes, I only got some emails here and there that had a, you know, bad taste of them. I'll put some votes that we make.
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entry of the city. And sometimes we make bad decisions. Sometimes we make good ones, but we have to deal with, with either one of them. So, um, I respect everyone's opinion. I think all of us do. All right. But it's not always going to be what you want. So just throw that out there.
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uh, Jolie Smith, um,
uh,
Pastor Jarvis and all the other partners out there. Y'all doing an awesome job, man. Um, Matt, I know we talked about the lighting situation. Um, right now, you know, we all know the lights are off based on the project at Jolie Smith. Um, and I know we talked about using the lights from utilities. I want to get a commitment. I know we talked about that last week. Um, is there any way we can do that soon?
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the budget for the, for the upcoming budget for the police department,
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banks. Uh,
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city of Rockledge when they have requested it. However, if there is a break or something, they need to take them.
Has
to go. They're going to come and take them. Okay. I just, it's, but it's, we are rectifying and, and it did from the general fund perspective and putting, purchasing some in the upcoming budget year.
Okay. All right. That's fair. I just want to, because, because I, I forget at times and, and a lot of times, like me and Rip talked like last week, we were scrambling because I didn't do my job, um, with staying up on it. So I just want to get a commitment for Friday. So we know, and V cops know exactly what needs to be done. And I want to make sure it's kind of out of, out of my hands.
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correct? Yes. August, August 2nd is the last day. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Um, that's all I have. I appreciate everybody for paying attention and, and staying
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So I appreciate y'all.
Yeah.
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sometime that they're not easy, they're tough. And, uh, but I,
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just hope that people don't take things personal because it's not personal. I mean, it's just, it's based, a lot of things are based on information that we have based on some research that we do. I mean, some of us, I mean,
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And, uh, and, uh, but I, I try to do, and I'm sure we all try to do what's best for our community. And, uh, with that being said, if
I can get
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is, I know some people might, maybe still watching or not, but if you see things on the agenda, um, that you have an opinion about, send us the emails, call our phones, text us.
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but we don't know how you feel.
And
then when we vote against it or whatever the case may be,
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We all want your opinion. Seriously. Everybody. We want everyone's opinion, good, bad or indifferent. Even if it's something where you cussing me out, I don't care. I want to hear your voice. I want it.
because
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I mean, that's what it's all about, man. It's a democracy. That's what it is. So I appreciate good and bad. I'd
really rather they need to cuss me out. Yeah.
Well, I'm used to it. Well,
and they
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agree, but when the vote is over,
the
vote is over.
That's right. And we move
forward and it's, it's done. It's done. You know, we can sit up here and argue and disagree about how we're going to move forward or something, but the vote is the vote and it's done and that's where we're going,
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like it or not. That's just the way it is.
Yes, ma'am. But we, we do need to remember to look into and try to remember remedies issue with our police department and that's for space. If there's space that needed, then we need to look at how we're going to do this and ‸ how we move forward. We're getting that
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Second.
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