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City Council

City Council Regular Meeting

Date
2020-08-04
Status
Machine transcript available
Source
CivicClerk event #621
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The City's record

What the City's record shows

The City's minutes for this meeting are not on file in this archive. This briefing states only what the City's agenda lists. Nothing here is taken from the machine transcription.

  • The City's agenda: CC_Reg_Packet_08_04_2020 (its items are not yet read into this briefing).

The recording's machine transcription is below. It is unverified: words and names may be misheard, and it cannot establish who acted or how anyone voted.

Agenda (the City's wording)

The City's agenda for this meeting is on file (CC_Reg_Packet_08_04_2020), but its item list has not been read reliably by machine yet, so no outline is shown.

Transcript Partial transcript

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Thank you, sir. Okay. All right. Okay, at this time, we'll go ahead and turn it over to Tammy with Administrative Services.
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Okay. Thank you, sir. So tonight, we held a special meeting with
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group. She's here to present the additional candidates that were provided to you in email. And she's going to give you an update on the recruitment process. Good discussion. The next steps after that.
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Yes, ma'am. Yeah.
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I do have an update that I received as I was driving here. One of the candidates has withdrawn this evening from ‸ consideration. Therefore, the only candidate that I have to present for your further consideration would
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I submitted a packet to you. On the first page of that packet, you have the three finalists that you selected at the last meeting prior to reopening the search. Those were your top three candidates at that time. We received a total of eight applicants during that window. That you selected. For further applications. Out of those eight. There were two that I recommended for further reconsider for further consideration and one essence. With. So in fairness and transparency, I recommend that a virtual meeting be held. With the one candidate so that you can make. ‸ More informed decision. If you choose to add an additional candidate to your list of those that
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For interviews for the finalists for your consideration. The dates to be determined. Based upon your availability as well. We can host virtual town hall meetings with the assistance of your IT department. And residents will be allowed to submit questions to the candidates. Each candidate would have about 45 minutes. Sometimes it takes out and sometimes it does not but we would schedule them one hour apart. On day two.
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We would. Have a round Robin tight. Where. Council can meet with each candidate here in chambers. So that you're all hearing the same questions receiving the same answers. Have a break for lunch. And. Continue the afternoon. And. Have a special meeting at
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To make your selection of the new city manager. For the city of. ‸ Do you have any questions for me.
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‸ Yeah.
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However the reason we did that with the other candidates was because we had no familiarity with them. Whereas we all know
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Could we just go ahead and select our three candidates and go ahead and set up the in-person interviews?
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That is your choice. If you choose to add a fourth candidate, then we can adjust the schedule accordingly. That would not be a problem.
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Well, I wasn't going to suggest a fourth candidate. I had studied how we all voted on the candidates the last time.
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Gardner-Young. So if we interviewed Dr. Moffitt and Ms. Gardner-Young, Mr. Stockton, that would be three candidates. I think in the case of Stockton, we're familiar with his credentials and his experience and the relationship. So I would feel comfortable just going straight to the in-person interviews and trying to make up for some time already lost.
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You want
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to
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make that ‸ motion?
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Yes, I'll make a motion to interview those three candidates. Second.
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We've got a motion from Councilwoman Collins,
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Any discussion? All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? We pass.
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‸ Can
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I
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suggest that would it be possible for us to get those three candidates here next week before our Council ‸ on the 11th and 12th?
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That would depend on your availability and their availability. I can make calls this evening.
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wish to do. We could do the virtual meeting or the town hall meeting possibly the day on the...
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There's just a COCO housing authority meeting that you usually attend. Other than that, if you can stop.
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No, no. Oh, you do? Oh, I'm sorry.
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because we have staff that goes there as well.
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The town hall, we can do it either virtually or do it in person at a city facility. If you'd like to do it more in person with the candidates. So we just need to know to make arrangements. We can check the availability, such as the Jolie-Smith Center or... You're talking
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about the town hall meeting?
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With the candidates. ‸ If you wanted to engage the citizens that way.
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going to conduct any sort of virtual or technology type connection.
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But we need to... To set up a...
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a system outside so that people can monitor what's going on in here, right? And if they need to come in and speak, they can, right? Okay. So...
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Are you all comfortable with the schedule?
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Yes. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
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So forgive me, I don't have a calendar in front of me. But that would be Tuesday and Wednesday of next week.
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‸ It sounds like maybe, since this is a three-day event, maybe Monday evening for the town hall, all day Tuesday for the interviews and meetings.
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This is a two-day. It's a two-day.
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Okay, because I'm looking at day one, day two.
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Oh,
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the
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5.30 meeting, that conflicts with the CRA meeting. 5.30 on, because don't we have CRA? Yeah,
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that's
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on Wednesday.
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On Wednesday. Oh, ‸ and day two would be...
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Is
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this Monday and Tuesday?
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Monday and Tuesday, the 10th and 11th.
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Okay. Okay. I
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have...
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My flight gets in. I won't be here until 5 o'clock, but that's a virtual ‸ town hall meeting, so I could... probably get here by 5.30.
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airport. If there's no delays in weather.
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What do you need to move to the end of the week instead of the beginning?
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Just
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assume
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go ahead and do it.
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I mean, Thursday and Friday will work this as well.
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Thursday interferes with the Cocoa Village Main Street, meeting, and there are people there that might want to be...
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Well, they could make adjustments.
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Yeah, they might prefer to come to the council. Okay.
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The 13th?
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The 13th and the 14th? Okay. Why don't we allow staff to see what they can work out now that they know kind of what our schedule is?
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to update the calendar.
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off from and for Dr. Moffitt to travel from Georgia.
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Yes.
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Possibly.
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So how would the virtual town hall meeting go as far as the questions from citizens?
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How would it go?
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What we've experienced in the past is that residents can submit their questions online via email, either beforehand or during a live stream if your system has that capability.
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‸ Okay.
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there are certain questions that certainly will be omitted when you're talking about the race, religion and stuff like that and sexual preference and so forth and so on. But there's a whole list of things that probably need to be looked at as well.
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Well, I mean, we'll have somebody filter those questions or maybe you would filter those questions so that...
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We can have the residents submit their questions.
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like about
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Thursday or Wednesday.
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Maybe by noon of that day. And then we can review the questions and ask each candidate the same questions.
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And we
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not have enough time in an hour interview. You're not going to necessarily have enough time for questions. We'll have to group them together and choose the... Prioritize them.
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So we're looking at what Thursday and Friday ‸ next week?
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Thursday evening and Friday during the day.
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Okay.
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Right. So we can get that coordinated and posted as soon as we confirm with the candidates and travel arrangements.
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So now I just need to determine whether we're going to go with ‸ the four candidates, take it down to three, or did we...
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I thought we did.
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My motion was for Dr. Moffitt and Ms. Bardiner-Young and Mr. Swinton.
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Oh, I don't know how I missed that, but... Okay.
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That it was based on... And I made that motion fixed on...
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We were all agreed on those two candidates.
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that you don't need this page back since Mr. Lalo withdrew. Okay.
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Donna, if you could help us write a bio so we could post to the public on each candidate. Sure. Like a candidate page, maybe per person or something. No?
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Can I ask you one question? I'm looking at this, and...
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not. Okay.
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No.
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Okay.
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He was a member at one time.
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Okay.
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Okay. Okay. We have our... I'll have you marked, you know, so let's... I'll
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go from there. So what is the process after... So when we get done with this process next week, is the following week we'll have the discussion for a selection or how will... What will we do?
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I believe we can make the selection that evening following the interviews. Okay.
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So basically, Friday.
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Yes.
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‸ And then from there, the city attorney ‸ starts a negotiation process with... Yes. Okay.
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And let me ask,
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I
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try to get some feedback before from the city council. and then I go in and describe an agreement. And some of the provisions in the agreement are going to be a candidate's asks. That a policy and business
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that the council has to decide,
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in a way that I find legally sufficient to recommend to you all on the business terms. And they could be subject to negotiations right up to the point of when the draft contract is submitted to the city council for consideration. Because those types of issues are out, you know, outside of, you know, my purview. You know, who am I getting in between what a candidate is asking and what the employer of the
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council is willing to give. You know, that's a negotiation and it's between the candidate and the council. In terms of that document in proper form and legally sufficient, you know, I make certain recommendations to
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It's helpful to look at previous city manager contracts to see where we've been before.
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I have a lot of them.
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And while we're here,
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I know you and I have had some discussions about
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happening.
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but
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and, you know, I know that
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still climbing and going up ‸ and, you know, just make a decision or just leave it alone. and just let it go where it goes. but just too much activity there. and nothing's happening. and like I said ‸ there's no mass no nothing going on there. and
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a lot of deaths here and close to home here recently for a lot of us. for some of us.
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What do you recommend? What do you recommend?
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I just think if we if we can't get it under control then we need to shut those parks
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because
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Isn't it on our agenda for next week for a mass quality?
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an emergency ordinance yeah
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For the face coverings. For the face covering, but ‸ they're still not wearing the mask. yeah what the council had previously done as far as action was essentially close the parks to recreational passage only So it still allowed users to walk or use the park space, but not necessarily ‸ congregate in the areas maybe something you want to consider.
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and from a policing standpoint, I just don't it's just nothing happening there
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falling back to where it was. and we know where that was.
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some of us and it's kind of ridiculous right now
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So we're talking about two different things yeah because well
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we're talking about
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there right now and
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and then also at least an aspect, I mean I don't know what's going on but it's just it just seems out of control there right now and because
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I would hate to see our parks close at
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this
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point because people are really yearning to At least be able to be outside But
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not these parks.
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suggest that you just yeah I suggest that all council when you get the opportunity, just drop out there Pull up in there. And you don't know exactly what we're
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talking about.
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and make a decision. because for some that don't know and haven't been there, just take a drive in there.
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well is that a policing issue then? I mean you're talking about more than masks
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We've continued to police it.
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I mean I can't I can't keep people from coming to the park. we we you know we move them out. We move them along.
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We've even provided masks. I mean we've been probably at least a half a dozen times or more in the last couple weeks in the parks and
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and handed out masks to people now I'm not sure you know once we leave are they keeping them on? I don't know but short of you know putting together an overtime ‸ detail and just sitting somebody in those parks or sitting two or three officers in those parks on a 24 or
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you know I don't know if we can we can't be in there every minute like I said we've worked but you know at being in and out, at doing drive-throughs of them of you know working with them trying to work with the like ‸ I said I met you know with several of
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I know the majority of them very well especially at Provost Park and you know talk to them explain to them you know and I get that yeah we understand we understand we understand but you know once we once we're leave for a little bit, are they taking them off? Are they grouping back up? I mean last time I was in there there were there were probably 30 or 40 people when I drove up in there after I finished talking to for probably 30 minutes there might have been 10 left so I mean the ‸ presence will do it I mean we can we can work on, I'll work on putting together an overtime detail and you know set two officers in the park for at least the daylight hours
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and it's and it's not so much as sitting in there it's just ‸ driving in there from time to time, walking through maybe and just getting back in the car. but we're not and I know I'm not asking for anyone to just sit out there. I
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but I mean it's just just more of a presence ‸ I
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understand the only problem is, as soon as we drive out of there, they know it's it's
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‸ until another officer drives in there you know they know ‸ and I admit I mean they can see the marked cars especially at Provost They can see us coming from you know any way we come, they see us coming way ahead of time.
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well I think that's when we talked about the cameras because I know ‸ we've been talking about this for a long time.
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we're working on actually using the JAG grant which will be coming to you guys in the next meeting to to purchase cameras we actually met with the vendors Monday
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to go to all the parks and actually have them lay out ‸ what systems they think and what cameras they think we would would best work for us And what we could do and you know
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how we can install them, what analytics we want to look at for that system so that's it's coming It's just a matter of you know getting it put together. yeah
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and I don't know the cost of that, that playground equipment that was just installed over there but some nice ‸ new equipment and and man the kids families don't want to take their kids out there They utilize the equipment. I see them at the
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I see them at Carl Anderson Park but there it's just not happening. and so it's just just something we need to just be aware of.
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maybe they'd start monitoring a little bit more, but if you get the opportunity, ‸ just drive in there, stop by there You don't
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and you'll see what's happening
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just something we need to look at. but anyway
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adjourn
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calls all in favor signify by saying aye aye
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