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Planning & Zoning

Planning & Zoning Regular Meeting

Date
2022-09-07
Status
City minutes and machine transcript available
Source
CivicClerk event #518
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What the City's record shows

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Attendance (the roll call)

  • Listed present when the roll was taken: Russell Sengel, Marilyn Green, Michael Dobrin, Aleck Greenwood, Veronica Lopez, Justin Simpson, Susan Mock, Thomas Barton, Debbie Joyce
  • (Checked against the ballots and the printed roll lines; no independent membership list of this board is available to confirm that the roll is complete.)
  • Listed absent: Todd Anderson, Al Washington, Merrybeth Burgess
  • Also listed as present (staff and other roles): Kristin Eick (Board Attorney), Angela Essing (Growth & Economic Development Director), Charlene Neuterman (Community Services Director), Lori Chabot (Redevelopment Coordinator), Mike Blake (Mayor), Alex Goins (Councilmember), Lorraine Koss (Councilmember), Sandra Leone (Planner), Monica Arsenault (Recording Secretary)
  • Named on at least one ballot later in the meeting: BARTON, DOBRIN, GREEN, GREENWOOD, LOPEZ, MOCK, MOCK‘, SENGEL, SIMPSON (participation, which can differ from the roll: arrivals and departures are in the minutes' text)

Adopted actions (11)

  • to APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH AN AMENDMENT TO MOVE ITEM IV.7 TO ITEM IV.1 (moved by GREENWOOD, seconded by SIMPSON); PASSED 8-0; ayes: SENGEL, GREEN, DOBRIN, GREENWOOD, LOPEZ, SIMPSON, MOCK, BARTON; nays: none — the City's minutes, pp. 1–2
  • to APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED (moved by GREEN, seconded by SIMPSON); PASSED 8-0; ayes: SENGEL, GREEN, DOBRIN, GREENWOOD, LOPEZ, SIMPSON, MOCK, BARTON; nays: none — the City's minutes, pp. 1–2
  • to APPROVE THE AUGUST 3, 2022 MINUTES AS WRITTEN (moved by SIMPSON, seconded by GREEN); PASSED 8-0; ayes: SENGEL, GREEN, DOBRIN, GREENWOOD, LOPEZ, SIMPSON, MOCK, BARTON; nays: none — the City's minutes, pp. 1–2
  • to APPROVE THE ITEM WITH AN AMENDMENT TO ADD ONE HOUR PAST BAR CLOSURE (moved by SIMPSON, seconded by GREEN); PASSED 8-0; ayes: SENGEL, GREEN, DOBRIN, GREENWOOD, LOPEZ, SIMPSON, MOCK, BARTON; nays: none — the City's minutes, p. 4; the vote on p. 5
  • to APPROVE THE EXTENSION. 1 Exhibit A: Arbours at Cocoa Landing (moved by GREENWOOD, seconded by GREEN); PASSED 8-0; ayes: SENGEL, GREEN, DOBRIN, GREENWOOD, LOPEZ, SIMPSON, MOCK, BARTON; nays: none — the City's minutes, p. 5; the vote on p. 6
  • to RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THIS ITEM TO THE CITY COUNCIL (moved by GREEN, seconded by SENGEL); PASSED 5-2; ayes: SENGEL, GREEN, BARTON, DOBRIN, LOPEZ; nays: MOCK, SIMPSON — the City's minutes, p. 9
  • to RECOMMEND DENIAL TO CITY COUNCIL (moved by GREEN, seconded by ALTERNATE MEMBER BARTON); PASSED 5-2; ayes: SENGEL, GREEN, BARTON, DOBRIN, LOPEZ; nays: MOCK‘, SIMPSON — the City's minutes, p. 10
  • to APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS (moved by GREENWOOD, seconded by GREEN); PASSED 7-0; ayes: SENGEL, GREEN, DOBRIN, GREENWOOD, LOPEZ, SIMPSON, BARTON; nays: none — the City's minutes, p. 12
  • to APPROVE ITEM AS STAFF RECOMMENDED WITH THE CONDITION TO SAVE ANY OAK TREES IF POSSIBLE (moved by BOARDMEMBER GREENWOOD, seconded by ALTERNATE MEMBER BARTON); PASSED 7-0; ayes: SENGEL, GREEN, DOBRIN, GREENWOOD, LOPEZ, SIMPSON, BARTON; nays: none — the City's minutes, p. 14
  • to RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL OF ORDINANCE 13-2022 (moved by ALTERNATE MEMBER BARTON, seconded by GREENWOOD); PASSED 7-0; ayes: SENGEL, GREEN, DOBRIN, GREENWOOD, LOPEZ, SIMPSON, BARTON; nays: none — the City's minutes, p. 15
  • to ADJOURN THE REGULAR MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 7, 2022 (moved by SIMPSON, seconded by GREEN); PASSED 7-0; ayes: SENGEL, GREEN, DOBRIN, GREENWOOD, LOPEZ, SIMPSON, BARTON; nays: none — the City's minutes, p. 15

Motions not adopted (2)

  • to APPROVE THE ITEM TO INCLUDE A SPECIFICATION THAT A MAXIMUM OF ONLY FOUR UNITS BE ALLOWED (moved by GREEN); died for lack of a second (no vote was taken) — the City's minutes, p. 9
  • to APPROVE THE ITEM AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF (moved by SIMPSON, seconded by MOCK); FAILED 2-5; ayes: MOCK, SIMPSON; nays: SENGEL, GREEN, BARTON, DOBRIN, LOPEZ — the City's minutes, p. 9

Agenda (the City's wording)

The City's agenda for this meeting is on file (PZ_Reg_Agenda_09_07_2022), but its item list has not been read reliably by machine yet, so no outline is shown.

Transcript Partial transcript

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Russell Sengel.
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Here.
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Marilyn Green. Here. Todd Anderson. Michael Dobrin.
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Here.
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Alec Greenwood.
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Here.
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Veronica Lopez. Here. Justin Simpson.
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Here.
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Susan Mock. Here. Al Washington.
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Here.
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Mary Beth Burgess. And Thomas Barton.
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Here.
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Thank you.
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Can we all stand and face a flag?
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pledge allegiance to the flag of
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the
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United
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States of
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[00:00:46] Speaker 4
Okay. Everybody get a chance to look at the agenda? Yes. Yes.
[00:00:51] Speaker 2
Yes,
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sir.
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All right. Anybody like to make a motion to move item number seven to item number one before we approve it?
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I'll
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discussion? All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. So we have an amended agenda. Everybody had a chance to look at that agenda. Anybody want to make a motion to approve? Or is there any discussion on the agenda?
[00:01:24] Speaker 2
I move to approve the agenda.
[00:01:27] Speaker 4
Motion a second?
[00:01:28] Speaker 2
I'll second.
[00:01:29] Speaker 4 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Second. All in favor? Aye. All opposed? Motion carries. I was not here last month. We have the minutes. Everybody have a chance to take a look at the minutes. Any issues with the minutes? Any discussion? Entertain a motion? I'll motion to approve the minutes for August. Second?
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I second.
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All in favor? Aye. All
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right.
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All opposed? Motion carries. All right. So number seven is moved to number one. Staff, are you ready?
[00:02:13] Speaker 5
Yes, Mr. Chair.
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And tonight's requested action is a recommendation on whether
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consistent with the City's comprehensive plan pursuant to the requirements of the law.
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the CRA plan be amended to include some components related to community policing. And so consistent with our comp plan policy, 1.1.4.9, the City shall review and update the redevelopment area plans.
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the P&Z board in order to review the consistency with the comp plan.
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the draft of the redevelopment plan update for 2022, which includes components of community policing efforts that
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to Council.
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for the modification of the plan, as I noted, was because of the CRA had requested to have community policing efforts increased within the CRA, preferably within the village area to include components related to nighttime traffic enforcement, nighttime enforcement of the bars and the restaurants, and specifically on weekends. So with the redevelopment plan, we abide by Florida statute 163.360. And part of that says that we have to conform to the comprehensive plan of the city. And we did a thorough review of the comprehensive plan and we have no existing goals or objectives related to community policing within the comprehensive ‸ plan. But we do have some indirect goals and initiatives that are related to the community policing efforts, which are the future land use policy 1.1.4.1, 1.1.4.3, 1.1.4.5, 4.9 and 4.12, which helps promote the vitality and redevelopment of the community redevelopment areas. And we want to be able to redevelop the business district as a viable district.
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And the city will protect and buffer residential areas from uses of high density.
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and coordinate redevelopment issues with the private sector to promote mobilization of public and private resources. So it is staff's belief that the proposed amendments that we brought forward to the CRA last night and that are bringing forward to you tonight are consistent with and do not conflict with any provisions of the comprehensive plan. The timeline, as I noted earlier, was last night we had our COCO CRA meeting and they approved the draft. Tonight is our planning and zoning meeting with consistency review. ‸ Next Tuesday we will have a special COCO CRA meeting to approve the final draft. And then we will have our council meeting on September 27th and our final council meeting on October 11th to approve and approve the ordinance amending the CRA plan. So staff is requesting whether or not you agree with the plan and whether or not
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consistent with the comprehensive plan.
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[00:06:20] Speaker 5
Thank you.
[00:06:22] Speaker 4
The board is open. Go ahead.
[00:06:27] Speaker 2
Charlene, I'd like to ask,
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a president ‸ from District 1 announced that he was proposing a pilot program to extend bar hours in the village until 4 a.m. Now, I don't know where that stands at this time, but I'm wondering here, it talks about Thursday, Friday, and Saturday nights between the hours of 10 and 3.
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[00:07:01] Speaker 2
If, in fact, this goes forward?
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[00:07:09] Speaker 5 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
about the pilot program was what was presented back in April. We have not had it presented back to us for staff to do any research regarding the 4 a.m. bar closures. At this time, we...
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Well,
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now ‸ it
[00:07:22] Speaker 2 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
closes at 2. Right. So this is going to 3. And that would extend it probably to 5.
[00:07:28] Speaker 5
So...
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[00:07:32] Speaker 5
If we
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put in and to 10 to 3 a.m., is that narrowing the scope? ‸ I mean, what's it going to take to change that?
[00:07:41] Speaker 5
That type of change would probably be another minor amendment, which may or may not have to go before the land planning agency. It's just a time change as far...
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I could let Kristen respond to that.
[00:07:55] Speaker 7 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Yeah, I think that would be the case, that there would be an amendment. I mean, I suppose that you could suggest that you, you know, include up to 5 a.m. now just, you know, to save yourself an amendment if that's necessary. But I'll let Charlene speak to that.
[00:08:15] Speaker 2
Could it be an hour after the technical bar closing time?
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That
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would perhaps leave
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it
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open.
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person. So I'm looking at this and saying, how do we save steps? It seems like some of the rules that we've been for having to change lately
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been because they've been too structured.
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I'd like to ask a question.
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[00:08:49] Speaker 6
I agree. I just hope this
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by approving this item that's before us.
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support of this ‸ before us tonight, but up until a specific ‸ closing time,
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[00:09:18] Speaker 6
Anything later than that, like 3, 4, or 5, to me, is showing if I was to read it, since I am connected with the restaurants in the downtown area, that eventually it's going to be okay to extend the hours. And
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[00:09:36] Speaker 6
I don't want it to become a bar village. That's not what we have. So by adding a limit to the time, is that something that we should consider or not, Charlene? Should we leave it alone and not end up having to deal with amendments and all that later?
[00:09:57] Speaker 5
Well, I think that's something that I can bring back to the CRA next Tuesday on for their final recommendation.
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[00:10:09] Speaker 5
the time frame, that's more of a desire from the CRA. So I can bring that request back to the CRA when I present them with the final draft, asking them to either note it at 10 a.m. or 10 p.m. to 3 a.m. or to add the one hour after the bar closes and let them decide ‸ how they want to do it.
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Thank
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you. As staff, I don't think that we are in a position to provide an opinion on what times the bars and restaurants should close in the village at this point without doing proper research. ‸ If
[00:10:46] Speaker 2
you say one hour after, it would make sense that that would kind of give us a thing.
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hours more so than what we have now.
[00:10:59] Speaker 6
‸ Right. And that one hour mainly is because the bars that we have now close at 2 and it allows an hour for people to leave the area and go home. So we would have the police that's there overseeing it
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at least 3.
[00:11:14] Speaker 5 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Correct. The presence would be there for one hour as they make their way back to the parking spaces, ‸ whether it's at Lee Winter Park or here at Oleander Parking.
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[00:11:29] Speaker 5 + overlapping voice
business owners within the district. Thank you for the clarification.
[00:11:34] Speaker 8
You're welcome. Thank you.
[00:11:39] Speaker 3
Go ahead.
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doing
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the 3 a.m., just doing an hour past whatever the city
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for bar closure. That way ‸ you don't have to wait to come back to us because if
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four
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[00:12:02] Speaker 3 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
So ‸ if we amend it to that, then that saves everybody one step. The other thing is that Cocoa Village gets a lot of traffic, especially Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Do we feel that two officers is the best we could do? I mean, I know, I
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[00:12:31] Speaker 3 + overlapping voice
that's just one area of Cocoa Village. That's Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
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[00:12:36] Speaker 3
mean, even Tuesday nights, they get very crowded.
[00:12:39] Speaker 5
So, so that is the recommendation that the CRA was able to, as far as fiscally accommodate, because they only receive limited dollars every year towards programs and operations. So that amount is, is what they've established as far as two officers.
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[00:13:02] Speaker 5
for an increase as necessary, but it would have to go before the CRA board to add the additional dollars in order to approve that. So it's not out of the question and it could be increased as, as the need arises. It would just have to come before the CRA for approval to add to the budget. Okay.
[00:13:22] Speaker 2 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Just picking up on that, Charlene, did I cut you off? Are you, are you done?
[00:13:26] Speaker 5
Yeah,
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I'm
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sorry.
[00:13:28] Speaker 9 (introduced as “Donna Manfredi” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
Um, I just want to make sure the funding
[00:13:30] Speaker 2
for these officers from the period of 10 o'clock until closing is funded by the
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CRA.
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Okay. Now, stepping up presence in the village before 10 PM.
[00:13:49] Speaker 5 + overlapping voice
Is that on the table at all? So, and I can't speak for the police department completely, but each of the, the, the city is divided into five different zones. Right. And there are officers that are assigned to those zones to patrol as a regular daily need.
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they can throughout each of the five districts. And so I, I don't know the numbers because I'm not, I, I'm not given that operational, um, number and it shouldn't be divulged out to everybody.
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So, but, but as far as we know there are, there's adequate staffing in each of ‸ the districts, um, during the times that between, before 10 PM and after 3 AM.
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Okay. Okay.
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that, um, one particular bar when they had problems still early
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issue of going forward with police a little bit more stepped up coverage because people don't feel safe to walk down Florida Avenue.
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So it just seems like that, that would make sense. Perhaps we have hundreds of thousands of dollars with the CRA to maybe do what I have had,
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uh,
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commercial complain that they've had to walk their clients, their customers to their car because of the people that void are downtown.
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So, um, I, I totally support this. I, I think one hour task bar closure is good, but I'd like to see it conveyed to ‸ CRA that we would perhaps they should consider more police coverage.
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Maybe one. I, I don't even see the cops.
[00:15:54] Speaker 5
I understand. And, and, and, and when there's incidents throughout the city, I
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If
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there is a major incident somewhere else, then officers get pulled that that's going to happen sometimes operationally.
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time, but I can't speak on that obviously,
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because
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I'm not the police chief and don't want to to speak on those, those timing. But it does that Rockledge was asked to respond is, is because we have a mutual aid agreement with them to respond if necessary.
[00:16:37] Speaker 4
Anything else from the board? Uh,
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Frank Sullivan, but there is no item number on here. So I don't know if he wants to speak on this or a different item.
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Okay.
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All right. No problem. Okay. And
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I'd like to get a consensus on the, the board to, to limit the delegation three, three minutes.
[00:17:23] Speaker 2 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Yes. Yes.
[00:17:25] Speaker 4 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
It's good for the council. Okay. All right. We don't have to open this to the public, correct?
[00:17:33] Speaker 7 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Um, yes. Okay.
[00:17:35] Speaker 4
I get any anybody from the public like to speak on this item. Hearing none, I'm
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gonna
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close it to the public and open up to the board.
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request
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Of the agenda.
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‸ For the one hour beyond one
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hour beyond bar closure.
[00:17:56] Speaker 4
All right. We have a motion.
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Do
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we have a second?
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for a long term.
[00:18:03] Speaker 5 + overlapping voice
It will be long term once it's added to the plan.
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19 years.
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You'll still be here.
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Other than the bar owners, is there any real support for extending the hours?
[00:18:37] Speaker 5
Extending the hours of the bars?
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Of the bars.
[00:18:42] Speaker 5
I don't really have that data to even answer that question because I have not been given any feedback from any of the business owners. I think Mr. Greenwood, who is part of the commercial property owners group, can probably speak better on that than I can.
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agenda with the city. It was something that was open discussion, I guess, to get feedback on how people would react to it. But I can tell you now that the commercial property group that I'm involved in, I guess the best way to explain it is that we don't want to become a bar village because we've become successful as we are.
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[00:19:38] Speaker 6
It's that old adage that if it's not broke, don't fix it. And we've done nothing but enhance more people that want to locate here and open more businesses with the current requirements.
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the morning. I hope that helps you. It is strictly just a discussion going around town.
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going to be addressed from what I understand.
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[00:20:13] Speaker 9 (introduced as “Donna Manfredi” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
and
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he was working with the police chief to initiate
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a pilot program specifically in response to one or two bar owners that wanted to be competitive with Cocoa Beach bar hours. And,
[00:20:26] Speaker 9 (introduced as “Donna Manfredi” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
you
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know, the inference was, well, the people in the condos are going to be asleep anyway by eight. Hello.
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Cocoa Village have overall said that they want either. And I don't think there are many
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merchants
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favorable to it either. Well,
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like I mentioned, uh, that meeting he had with Main Street was to get some sort of feedback. It was not anything that he,
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uh,
[00:20:54] Speaker 6
from the council member that you're talking about is anything that he is pushing, uh, to bring before the council that I know of as this point. However, the discussion that was brought up was not received favorably by the majority of the, uh, commercial property group owners in the downtown area. So just to help answer your question.
[00:21:17] Speaker 4
Okay. Uh, we had a second with Maryland, correct?
[00:21:20] Speaker 2
That's correct.
[00:21:21] Speaker 4
All right. Any other discussion on this? No discussion on in favor, say aye.
[00:21:26] Speaker 5
Aye.
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[00:21:31] Speaker 5
Thank you agency members.
[00:21:32] Speaker 4
All right. We're going to go to new item number two.
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[00:22:03] Speaker 13
Good evening board members. Angela Essing, growth and economic development director. Um, yes, this item is for the consideration of an extension
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[00:22:22] Speaker 13
Large scale site plan
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basically, um, basically your consideration, um, of approving an extension that staff has actually granted, um, but,
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Um, so we wanted to bring it before you tonight. Um, the applicant did receive their original approval from the
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and it was for a 280 unit apartment project located on 524.
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site plan after one year or within that one year timeframe. Um, and the applicants did request in accordance with the code and extension. The request was processed and granted on December 3rd, 2021 by the community services interim director. Unfortunately, the, uh, ‸ letter that went out, um, had an error in it, um, that was not caught until about a month ago. And it was that staff has
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Unfortunately,
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[00:24:02] Speaker 13
And so our, um, assistant city attorney recommended that we bring this before you. Am I cutting out?
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[00:24:12] Speaker 13
Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Um, and basically ask for your, um, approval of the entire one year extension. As we feel that that is the right thing to do, because the letter that did go out set up for the applicant to, um, put into their works, a, you know, a one year extension. And that has been what they are working towards. They have been, uh, in the background working towards their building permit, knowing that it's at their risk depending on what happens tonight. Um, ‸ but they are diligently moving forward with this and they are in the audience tonight, um, to answer any questions. Should you have, um, any questions, but staff is definitely recommending approval of the extension until December 15th.
[00:25:06] Speaker 3
‸ Board have any questions.
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[00:25:15] Speaker 13
I will let them answer that question.
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We will definitely not be done
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I can assure you of that. Okay. But, uh, we're looking forward to having our building permits in hand by then, which was our original plan.
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Okay.
[00:25:33] Speaker 14 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Uh, this was obviously just a, uh, ‸ in a letter. Um, and so we're, we're moving forward on that timeframe and I appreciate Angela looking to fix it for us. Okay. So.
[00:25:49] Speaker 4
Any other questions.
[00:25:53] Speaker 6
I move to approve the extension is requested. Standby.
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Yeah.
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the public.
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Yes, please.
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Can I open up to the public? Anybody from the audience like to speak on this item? Seeing no, but sorry.
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same side of the road.
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So it's
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Yeah, it's west.
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Cox Road.
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Yeah.
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So we'll close it to the public, um, bring it back to the board. I call the question. Move to approve for the extension. Got a motion. Second. We have a second. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed? ‸ Motion carries. Next item. New number three. Small scale comprehensive plan.
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I'm sorry. I believe before we get started, Mr. Greenwood might want to say a few.
[00:27:12] Speaker 6
Yes.
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I'm half owner with my partner from New York about what you all are going to be discussing. So I'm going to be recusing myself. I signed all the paperwork required. And if there's any questions, I'll be in the audience. I'll be more than happy to find
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out.
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Okay.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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sorry sorry Got you. ‸ trapped in here.
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I know
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[00:28:00] Speaker 13
Okay. Perfect. Thank you. yes This is for the consideration of ordinance 11-20
[00:28:07] Speaker 7
2022
[00:28:10] Speaker 13
a future land use map amendment consisting consistent with the Florida Statute Chapter 163 to change the future land use map designation of one parcel of real property
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[00:28:26] Speaker 13
from the City of Cocoa very low density residential to the City of Cocoa medium density residential provided that the maximum density allowable shall be eight dwelling units per acre. Thus meaning that on this site the maximum dwelling units will be four because
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thus you must divide then the total dwelling units by the acreage which would allow for four units on this property
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which is also the owner of the property. And we are considering parcel
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and again it is .59 acres ‸ The request is to change the future land use to allow for the future construction of a multifamily fourplex on the property.
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Indian River Drive and Dixon This is the applicant's conceptual idea of the fourplex on the property. the current future land use as I have stated is very low density residential the proposed is to go to medium density residential the next application should we discuss is for the zoning but the current residential zoning on there is residential estate and the applicant is also proposing to take it to an RU215 zoning which would make it consistent with the change in the future land use that we are discussing right now the existing use of the property is vacant and is also heavily fully vegetated. ‸ It is in Council District 2. This is a map of the future land use. You can see the future land use existing around the parcel. It is on three sides bound by a residential, uh very low density residential future land use. to the north of the property you have the medium density residential future land use which is why staff is recommending approval of this application because it is consistent with the property across Dixon
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There we go. So staff looked at the application in detail and
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see if the, with the comprehensive plan amendment analysis that we looked at the various criteria that are provided to us in the city code. And staff finds
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analysis in the staff report, that this petition meets the requirements for amending ‸ the City of Cocoa future land use map. Staff finds no budgetary impacts to the city with this application. Staff also finds the ‸ proposal consistent with the comprehensive plan future land use element policy 1.1.2.4 regarding consistency with the intent of the medium density residential future land use classification. And also staff and all reviewing agencies have examined the petition for meeting the levels of service, be it water, wastewater, stormwater, solid waste, transportation, all those items have been looked at.
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in the comprehensive plan for the city. Last one's redundant. Thus, staff does recommend that you recommend approval
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think this one was 13, Ordinance 11-2022 to amend a future land use to be consistent with Chapter 163 by amending the very low density residential to medium density residential future land use subject. Oh, that is an error.
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I would look to your staff report, which you have in front of you for this item for the final recommendation versus a slide that I have before you, which is page six of six of this item, which has the recommended motion correctly versus my slide. I'm sorry. Obviously the applicant is here and would also like to make a presentation on the application.
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Okay.
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Thank you, Chairman and the board for letting me being able to give you some additional information on what's before you. I want to suggest that this is a project that will further enhance what is proposed from across the street, which would be a continuation of the project that was approved across the street.
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And because it's a slope, the driveway, which is Dixon Boulevard, the road, of course, the heights are a little different because of the slope of the road. But basically that apartment building has been there for quite some time.
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Now on your aerial view that shows you the site plan of the property there. That's it. Thank you.
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It's going to be heavily wooded. There's walkways that's going to be planned to go through that area as well. And I feel that this will be a first class project like I have done in other areas of the city.
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my properties in the village as well. So it's going to be a top class, top level project. And I'm also planning on living in one of the units. I understand from staff that there's a radius that goes out for everybody that needs to be notified of what I'm wanting to do in the property.
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Am I still correct on that?
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side of the road, I had also stated that they are in support. So if there's any other questions, ‸ feel free to ask me whatever you'd like.
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Board have any questions? Seeing none, we do have some people that want to
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speak. Yes, sir. So I'm going to sit down. If I need to come back up, just let me know. Yes, sir.
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Thank you. I'm going to guess at this. Is it Donna M something?
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Math ready.
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If it's okay, I would like to speak after some of the other people who are speaking for our area.
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I was hoping to be last, but I'll take a shot at this. Good evening. Thank you for having us here. I'm not sure quite how the system works, but I see that timer is running.
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towards the west. And I want to address both two and three. I don't know if you're going to let me have another three minutes, but I am in principle in agreement with this. I don't have a particular problem other than the groundwater there.
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street from there is low. And I know the concern of the other people here is what's going to happen with the springs and all the groundwater and the swampy wetlands that are there. And how
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that water going to be controlled so that we don't suddenly find after these buildings are erected that? Oh, goodness me look at that there's water in your basement. Mr.
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coats
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over the last week. And he suggested and we discussed perhaps the
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of engineers or the state could do some sort of a study impact study, whatever you want to call it to ensure that those concerns of certainly of mine are going to be addressed. I have a base on basement under my house. And if the water level is any higher than it is, my
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going to ‸ be wet. That's all for now, folks.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Frank Sullivan.
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Casey Claytor.
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Are you number item number four or number three?
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I don't know. Okay. If you want to speak on this, go
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right ahead.
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Okay. Okay. I've been a resident since 1965.
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name and address
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for the record, please.
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So I'm adjacent to this parcel. And the River Road is absolutely, I think, the most beautiful road in Florida. I've always thought it since I was a child. It's got some history. All these parcels, there's four altogether, were broken up in 1999 and sold by the original Dixon grandchildren of ‸ the family. And 1889, the permit was filed for the houses that you see on that corner. So they're very historical. And I think that they should be treasured. In that area of the River Road, those are the only historical homes remaining.
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And as he stated, I'm really concerned also. You can see water standing on that land all the time. We have a little drainage ditch that runs behind our property and out through a culvert that goes out into the river.
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usually it's enough to keep the water off our yard, but not always. Our backyards do flood pretty routinely. So this is a huge concern. Also a concern is the aesthetics of having a big modern building next to our ‸ historical antique homes.
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corner there beside us.
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And I'm not saying that what I said made it get denied, but it was denied eventually. We do not want the zoning to change.
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and ‸ the Spacklings, which border on the south side.
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So I just wanted to mention that we also have so much an abundance of nature. We have owls and rabbits, raccoons and hawks that live in that green area and we just love the green area.
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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My name is Frank Sullivan. I'm 1705 North Indian River Drive.
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I think it is. We can talk about that together because I think it's going to end up as one project.
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been aware of the
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And if you haven't seen it, it ought to be required reading for everybody in the town. But let me quote a few things that they said in Southern Living. And this is a, this was printed, I don't know, a couple of weeks ago last month. Let me quote a few of the passages.
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The article spoke of many areas of Cocoa that
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the old charm of Florida. It is the town that has done a good job at preserving the past, which is unusual for Florida. Relics
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restored 1920 playhouse to the stately homes, spiraling along the scenic Indian River Drive dripping with Southern charm, which they say is think of wide porches and gingerbread detailing.
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money.
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So now let me remind you that some of that charm, we should not
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away from us. The Dixon's family settled that area almost a half a mile along the Indian River Lagoon in the 1800s. When I was a kid, they still had four Dixon families living in four different houses along that property. Two of those original Dixon houses are still there.
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people who appreciate their history and maintain them carefully. Why do we still have our history? It's because community-minded people like you all, who over the years have served our community and have kept things like a multi-unit apartment from being built in the middle of a historic single-family area.
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single-family areas once you ‸ get
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So everything from there to the city limits are single-family homes. Some years ago, I stood before this committee just like you, and the same proposal was being made, essentially the same proposal. And it was turned down. And I just hope and pray that you all have the same idea.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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south, 1629 North Indian River Drive. Born and raised in Central Florida. Went off and worked in all kinds of cold places and then came back
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‸ And, you know, the word is getting out with the Southern Living article. But we ‸ have to protect the things that make us special. Speaking on the ‸ water issue, ‸ I have some personal experience with that in terms of when the work was done on Route 1, it permanently changed the water flow along my waterfront.
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halfway up my ankle. So we don't know what the work is going to do. I'd be worried too. We forgot to mention the foxes that live there too. Yes. They visit our yard sometimes late at night. Cocoa is a special place. And this place is part of what makes Cocoa special. So I think we need to consider very carefully before we start messing with with that recipe.
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here in terms of ‸ when I bought my property seven years ago, it's zoned a particular zoning and all the properties around it, including this one. And so I have an expectation of, you know, that's what I'm buying into doesn't strike me as fair to take take a property and say, oh, well, we're going to elevate your zoning so you can make more money off of it. Well, where's my handout? Except I don't want to hand out in that regard. ‸ I want to keep my property, which is historic, the same as it's always been. I'll probably come back for part three, but I ‸ just I hope ‸ you carefully consider this. I don't understand why the property
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I honestly don't know what staff is doing. When I grew up, there was a saying,
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Seems like that's what we're doing. ‸ I'm worried. So please carefully consider. Thank you.
[00:48:02] Speaker 4
Thank you. ‸ Donna.
[00:48:08] Speaker 9 (introduced as “Donna Manfredi” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
I'm Donna Manfredi. My husband Frank is here as well. We live at [address]. So that is the first house south of Dixon. It was built in 1901. It is one of the two Dixon properties still left. We already have water issues there. Again, I believe from the people who purchased the house that
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It was significantly impacted by the changes on one.
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because we liked the area so much. We have owned primarily historical homes in our past and we are really happy to and proud to be the owner of another. ‸ Water could ‸ change even the viability of our house. And certainly it could change the value that we have in our house. But there's more to this than just us living on the river. You see literally hundreds of people every weekend riding their bikes, walking down the street, walking their dogs, enjoying the beautiful scenery that we have there.
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[00:49:25] Speaker 9 (introduced as “Donna Manfredi” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
a look at this. But also, again, to just conserve the beauty that we have in the village of Cocoa at this point. And I support what everybody else said.
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the concerns that were brought up and they're legitimate, but there's more information that's not being made available. As far as the water, there is a drainage problem on the corner of Dixon and Indian River Road. It always has been. ‸ What's going to need to be required is that street to be elevated to avoid the water retention that happens when you have major storms. Also,
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one that's facing the river
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The reason that there's water area in the area of land that's out in red is a combination of things. There is insufficient drainage being brought from Dixon Boulevard into that lot. The reason why that I know this is that this is information that my partner and I have looked into, which is that's going to be required to be fixed. Also, a lot of people are concerned that this is going to be something that's not going to be addressed. The building department cannot allow any issues as far as drainage and other negativities like that for anybody to pull a permit unless they're addressed and the methods that it's going to take to correct it. So the water issue would be something that would be dictated by the St. John's water district and also what the building code requires. The other thing is the ‸ state use. That front lot is still residential will always be. That's not what's going to be changed.
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Road for the property that I have in red. You cannot see that it's completely changed. Modern. No, it's not going to be modern construction. When you're a developer, you want to blend with what's around there. And specifically, the existing apartment building is not historic.
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of it that can be built and all along the River Road is strictly ‸ residential, just like the opposite corner. The rest is multifamily, multi story. Also, these two lots are state use size lots. And what I'm proposing to build there is almost similar to what I can build as a single family house.
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can go as three stories high and it can encompass the whole site plan that you've seen ‸ earlier. That's what I could build without a change of zoning. And the same thing goes for the other lot that's facing the river. They're both zone that and you're allowed to build to that. Let's see history that there is no nothing that's going to affect the history of the area. This is going to help bring in extra tax monies as well to help pay for infrastructure for the city. And it's called growth, depending on the needs for the area.
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So there's going to be a lot of upgrades with the sewage line that is looking to do all along River Road that you all are probably very familiar with. Let's see. Anything involving owls or birds and all that, I think animals are better than people. So, you know, there's no way that I would ever be in a position to harm any of them animals there or whatever is located there. We will address it according to what the code requires. It won't be modern as a developer. You don't want something that doesn't blend with what's around you. The multifamily townhomes that are scheduled for across the street. I've seen some elevation views of that years ago and they're not they're very they're not ultra modern. They're not anything like that. Also, all that property recently sold and all the property. If you want to go back to that other
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that is across the street that goes around the apartment buildings, all those
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So there is going to be development there.
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what's happening across the street that's already been zoned for that. So I think I covered all the questions. If I haven't, I'll be more than happy to add to it while I'm up here if I didn't address something.
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back to the board. Yes.
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Well, it's not wetlands. It's it's onsite water retention from poor drainage.
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of course, that has to be addressed.
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Oh, yes, definitely. And that is something that I don't care where you build, you always have to look into those issues.
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building?
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It's four stories?
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Uh-huh. Straight,
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okay.
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Across the street is three stories and the...
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I...that's...yeah, okay. But when you do your site plan for this area, you have to show retention on that.
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Oh, yes, definitely.
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property. Absolutely not. You're not allowed to do that.
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Exactly.
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You're not allowed to do that.
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to retain
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I'm licensed to do that. I'm very familiar with those issues.
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Well, I didn't know if they knew that. Okay. I wasn't really brought up to that.
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That's no problem.
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time you build a new building, you have to retain the water.
[00:56:17] Speaker 6
Of course. Your property. Of course. Current codes require that.
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Mm-hmm.
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And it's going to be completely fenced in, by the way.
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Well, you said you're not even going to be able to really see it.
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Well, you...even if I built it, you wouldn't see it because of the other lot. I'm not going to...I'm trying to preserve as many of the natural
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that's there. Because it's nothing but an asset to me. And then basically, that's what the site plan shows that behind the property that I'm on the site plan there. It shows all that being left and remained with walkways. Not only for my project, but it'd be accessible for the public to enjoy as well.
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Question for staff.
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No. It is zoned residential estate.
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that? And what are the limitations?
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single family home only.
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Is there a height restriction on the single family home ‸ in that?
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Yeah, both the residential estate and the
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I just don't have them memorized.
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I think he's asking what is it today.
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What is it today?
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restriction for today?
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And what is the height restriction on the RU-15 that he's proposing a change to?
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It's 35 feet. Is
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it still the same 35?
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Yes, 35 feet.
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Okay. So really, we're just looking at...changing the number...
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because the
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still going to be the same. Okay.
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So is this meant to be four units or eight units?
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Four.
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There's paperwork going out that's saying that this is going to be a 15-unit development and things like that. I don't know why there's negativity like that going around. That's not really correct.
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Okay. The board
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Yes, sir. No, there's not. That's across the street. You're confusing the difference. Across the street is a free... I
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know that it's spring there.
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I'm not going to argue. But across the street, there is a
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there that I've been familiar with for years. There is not a live well on my property. It doesn't exist.
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Okay. We can ‸ move on from that, please. We have it at the board. Does the board have any recommendations on this?
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I actually do.
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Go ahead.
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If in fact this goes forward, I just... The next step here, the next item
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on the agenda is the zone change.
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And if this does go forward, I just want it specified at the end of
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the motion that
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this specifically approves for up to four units on these parcels. Because with all good intentions, if you change your mind ‸ to sell, this increases the value of the property. I'm just saying, it's the reality.
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‸ But
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I want it specified at four units.
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That's in the code.
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Eight per acre is still going to be four on a half acre. That's correct. Yeah,
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Right. I ‸ would...
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that's fine.
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‸ Yeah.
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I don't think we can step ahead. What we got to do is address this ‸ item right now and not item.
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But either way, if this is a future land
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use,
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I'll also mention it here as well.
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I'm not sure. I would tend to think it would be just added to the end where it said residential to medium density, residential with a maximum density of eight dwelling units per acre,
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Yeah. Yes.
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That's correct.
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So you don't need to spell that out. That's all right. You can make
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Thank you.
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I've made...
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‸ Apparently,
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beginning. So if it's redundant, that's fine. I always think it's important to put things into black and white. And I would say the same thing.
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going forward with the zone change.
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Is that a motion?
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Yes, that would be a motion.
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Okay. We have a motion. Do we have a second for discussion? Hearing none. The motion fails. So we're back to the board on how you'd like to move forward on this.
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I just have one quick question about the... ...quick debate.
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If...
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If a spring was found,
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is there anything that can be done as far as the owner? Do they have to mitigate or do they have to preserve the spring? I think you have to cap it. You
[01:02:40] Speaker 4
have to cap it, I think.
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I'm not...
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may be wrong. So if someone knows...
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If a spring is located, I know there's certain mitigations that we have to take to for swath land.
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action that a property owner can do on their own property, regardless of the zone?
[01:03:06] Speaker 6
I know the answer.
[01:03:08] Speaker 7 + overlapping voice
I actually... I don't know the answer off the top of my head. ‸ You know, it could be that there's some policy in the comp plan that might address that. But I can't say that sitting here right now.
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have any regulations for it or not.
[01:03:30] Speaker 4 + overlapping voice
‸ Probably
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We looked into this the last time that it was during the bad time of the economy.
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was... We decided to let it sit. But that property was surveyed by the St. John's Water Management District. There is no free-flowing well there. If there was, you have a couple of choices with like finding other land mitigation-wise to help compensate ‸ what they find on that land there.
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an issue. And there was no free-spring flowing water like it is across the street, which is why they can only build on seven acres of the total 16, I think it is over there. So I didn't have that issue there.
[01:04:20] Speaker 3
Okay. Okay. Okay.
[01:04:31] Speaker 4
Okay.
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I have a motion to approve. Do we have a second for discussion?
[01:04:38] Speaker 6
Second.
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Second. Any discussion on this? All right. All in favor, say aye. Aye. All opposed? Nay. Nay. Nay. Let's do a roll call.
[01:05:00] Speaker 1
Russell Sengel.
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Nay.
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Marilyn
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Green. Nay.
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Michael Dobrin.
[01:05:09] Speaker 18
Nay.
[01:05:11] Speaker 1
Veronica Lopez. I'm not sure.
[01:05:16] Speaker 7
You have to vote. You can't have seen.
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Oh.
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Simpson.
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Aye.
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Susan Mock.
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Aye.
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And Thomas Barton.
[01:05:35] Speaker 10 (introduced as “Frank Sullivan” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
Aye.
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[01:05:42] Speaker 4
Four to three correct?
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It is
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five to two.
[01:05:45] Speaker 21 (introduced as “Linda Bender” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Five
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to two. Five to
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two. Motion fails.
[01:05:53] Speaker 6
Can I ask a question?
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Um. What part of it that did was not comfortable to get a vote in support of the project?
[01:06:07] Speaker 4
Are you ‸ going to ask each one of us or anybody that would prefer to step up and say something?
[01:06:13] Speaker 6
Well, among the board, I was just curious. I can tell my partner the way the vote went and he's going to ask, well, what was the specific thing that was uncomfortable for the no vote?
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take place. I, to, um, to, to recommend denial.
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[01:06:48] Speaker 7
you know, the reasons for the denial because we do have criteria. Right. So please, um, try to address that.
[01:06:55] Speaker 4
Exactly. Okay. So we need a motion to, um, deny.
[01:07:04] Speaker 2
I will motion to deny.
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‸ We
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motion. Do we have a second? I'll second it.
[01:07:13] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
Any
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discussion? You're, you're motioning to deny. We have to either approve or deny this, this, um, item.
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still on the same one.
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You're, you're requesting a. The future land use.
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denial of. Of the. ‸ Request.
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we're denying the. Yeah, we're not, we're
[01:07:36] Speaker 4 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
not addressing him just yet. Okay, just to make sure. Yeah. Okay. We're going to get to speak about that after we're after we move forward with this item. We either have to accept it or deny it or somewhere in between.
[01:07:47] Speaker 7
And as a reminder, it's a recommendation. So it will go to council.
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[01:07:54] Speaker 4
okay. So any discussion on the motion? We have a motion to deny the item. All in favor of denying say aye.
[01:08:02] Speaker 2
Aye.
[01:08:05] Speaker 4
All in favor of. Approving.
[01:08:10] Speaker 1
Well that's going to be the same.
[01:08:12] Speaker 4
But we have to get on the record.
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Aye.
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All right. Me and somebody
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else.
[01:08:17] Speaker 15
Okay.
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[01:08:24] Speaker 4
And now we can have a discussion from the board on. What we necessarily didn't like.
[01:08:32] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Well, only because my partner's in New York and he's going to want some information like that.
[01:08:39] Speaker 4
I'll start.
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the neighborhood adamantly opposed to it.
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[01:08:53] Speaker 6
that outside the radius? It's the people that spoke. Okay.
[01:08:58] Speaker 7
So,
[01:08:59] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
so it's because of the drainage concern and the height. Is that what we're saying? I'm, I'm saying for me, it was the ‸ height.
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the street.
[01:09:13] Speaker 4
I, I'm, I don't know. Yes. Go ahead.
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We can think that property right now
[01:09:20] Speaker 15
like
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this.
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that.
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But you just said you denied
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it because of the height.
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It's my opinion. Oh, no, no, no. That's what I didn't like about it.
[01:09:42] Speaker 19 (introduced as “Dave Glunt” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
It didn't make a lot of sense. I was just.
[01:09:45] Speaker 4
I don't think it fits the area. And
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you the whole carte blanche to, to do.
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I know maybe that's not your intent, but that's the perception that I got. And that's, that's why I didn't like it.
[01:10:02] Speaker 6
And then the other area that's being built there, the townhomes. They're following the same
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[01:10:10] Speaker 6
if I, if he asks me that. He's going to want clarification because of the zoning across the street and the zoning that I could court currently go that height.
[01:10:21] Speaker 7
So.
[01:10:22] Speaker 6
And he'll under, he'll probably won't understand. That's fine.
[01:10:25] Speaker 7
Okay. Um,
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um,
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um, any applications that have actually been submitted on the property across the street?
[01:10:39] Speaker 13 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
No, no, I'm not aware of an application at this point.
[01:10:43] Speaker 7
I'm not aware of, ‸ but, um, but I, I do, I just want to remind the board. So, uh, and this is with all due respect to all the residents that have come out. Um, simply because residents don't like it, you know, it's, that's not a basis for denial. We have to look at the criteria that are provided in the code. So I would suggest that you, um, take a look at that and those criteria are available to you in the staff report. I'm happy to read them if you'd like me to.
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Um,
[01:11:19] Speaker 2
well, I can only speak again on my area and there are.
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Um,
[01:11:29] Speaker 9 (introduced as “Donna Manfredi” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
I
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look at the lot.
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think it's based on what I
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‸ understand a lot
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of problematic. I think, uh, ‸ single family there, the way
[01:11:38] Speaker 9 (introduced as “Donna Manfredi” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
it is zoned now,
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uh,
[01:11:40] Speaker 2
makes sense. I'm not sure the tax revenue and capital investments, we're going to see a
[01:11:46] Speaker 5
wonderful improvement
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there. And, um, and I, I do think it's important to take into consideration the abutters.
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when I went over this, because, um, I think that's too dismissive a lot of times. Um, ‸ I believe that, uh, ‸ people know that there's a spring on there, the spring could be capped.
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get it, but we have to now change the zoning. I,
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Except with that.
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Okay,
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[01:12:20] Speaker 4
think that's anybody else want to speak on this? All right, let's move on to the next item. Thank you.
[01:12:30] Speaker 13
I'm assuming we want to, because this is a recommendation to city council. We want to hear the next item to, um, correct.
[01:12:40] Speaker 2
Yes. Yes.
[01:12:47] Speaker 13
Thank you, Monica.
[01:12:57] Speaker 7
All right.
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for a zoning map amendment.
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And the property owner is also carry properties.
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The applicant is requesting an amendment to the
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consistent with the code of, of the city section one regarding amendments to the zoning map for an owner initiated request to change the zoning of the property. In question from
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condition from a separate feature land use map amendment limiting the property's density to eight dwelling units per acre. Following approval applicant plans to apply to have a multifamily four plex built on the property. We'll go over these quickly because you know this information. We'll need to make a recommendation to city council on both items. City council has the ability to approve or deny based on your recommendation. So in the chance that they were to overturn your recommendation for denial on the
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[01:14:29] Speaker 13
then they would have the opportunity to review this application and potentially approve it also. So, right.
[01:14:39] Speaker 9 (introduced as “Donna Manfredi” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
Yeah.
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We'll go quickly.
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because you know it
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obviously we probably know what you're going to do here, but we do need to, to take both those motions into the record so that we can make a recommendation to city council.
[01:14:51] Speaker 7
Yeah. And sorry. And I'll just add to that, that this, this item has different criteria. So, um,
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[01:15:02] Speaker 7
uh, as you're considering your decision.
[01:15:07] Speaker 13
And I can go through that a little bit more with my staff report so that, you know, what you're needing to look at. Okay.
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[01:15:16] Speaker 13
so as we discussed the future land use, we just went over that the zoning again, currently today it is residential estate. The
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[01:15:31] Speaker 13
So within that surrounding area, the, um, to the
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[01:15:41] Speaker 13
to the south east to the south and east. The properties are zoned residential estate and they, uh, ‸ current land use of single family residential. And then to the west, it actually doesn't have a zoning. A lot of times when property is brought into the city, it maintains its county zoning until which time an applicant wants to do something on that property. Then they are required to apply for city zoning. So in this case, they have not applied for any city zoning yet. And the property is vacant. Um, staff has reviewed the petition in accordance with the criteria in appendix a, and I will go through that in a little bit more detail based on my staff report then with you. Um, so if I'm going
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[01:16:37] Speaker 13
And far as your packet that you have in front of you, looking at page two of six, um, the proposed change is contrary to the established land use pattern. Staff has found that
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[01:16:57] Speaker 13
not contrary to the established land use pattern based on the, uh, property across Dixon. Another criteria is that
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[01:17:08] Speaker 13
to nearby or adjacent, um, districts. And again, staff does not find this happening with the property across Dixon.
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population land density pattern and thereby increase or overtax the load on public facilities such as schools,
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Um, staff has found that, uh, a net increase of three dwelling units does not have a negative impact on any of those items.
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property proposed for change. Again, staff does not feel they are illogically drawn. Um, the proposed change would be contrary to the future land use map and would have an adverse effect on the comprehensive plan. Um, based on your first decision, uh, this would, this item would not be consistent with the future land use map. Change or changing conditions make the passage of the proposed amendment necessary. Um,
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how do I want to say this? So staff is finding that currently today we are getting a lot of applications in the city for higher density. Obviously it's smart growth. Staff is supportive of smart growth. Um, you've just heard in the last few months, you've heard of our
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With the current construction
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This is a new reality for us moving forward. It's very expensive to build and for, um, contractors, developers to be able to, um, make a profit on their endeavors within the city.
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they are finding that they are needing higher densities than we allow today based on our zoning code. So one thing to consider, it's just, uh,
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sign of the times right now with the current economy, whether or not the proposed change will have adversely influenced living conditions in the neighborhood. Staff does not believe that an ‸ increase of three units will add adversely affect, um, the living conditions in the neighborhood. Whether or not the proposed change will create or excessively increase traffic congestion or otherwise affect the public safety. Again, staff does not believe this is going to happen. Whether or not the proposed change will create a drainage problem. Staff does not believe that this will happen based on the requirements with our public works department, the shank St. John's water ‸ management system and other engineering controls that exist today. We find that typically, um, future development makes these situations better because it, all of these items are required to be addressed. Whereas in the hit in past history, they have not always been required to be addressed. Whether or not the proposed change will adversely affect property values in the adjacent area. Staff does not believe that this will be negatively ‸ affected. Whether or not the proposed change will be detrimental to the improvement or development of adjacent property in accordance with existing regulations. Again, we do not feel that this is going to alter that in any way. Sorry, there's just a couple more. whether or not the proposed change will constitute a grant of special privilege to an individual owner
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Again, we do not feel that this is an adverse impact. Whether or not there are substantial reasons why the property cannot be used in accordance with the existing zoning. This goes back to my other answer. Yes, they have the ability to,
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But based on our current economy, um,
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construction market, we are getting a lot of these requests. So we do feel that it is, um, legitimate to consider these requests and bring them before you. Whether or not the change suggested is out of scale with the needs of the neighborhood. No, again, this kind of goes back to the similarities of the height, um, that was previously discussed. Again, the, um, the zoning code for both zoning districts allows you to do the same thing.
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Whether or not is impossible to find other adequate sites in the city for the proposed use in districts already being already permitting, um, such uses. Staff does not believe it would be impossible to find other adequate sites
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However, staff does not believe the requested ‸ zoning is inconsistent, uh, with the surrounding land use pattern. And those are the criteria that you would want to use to make your decision, um, for this application.
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recommended approval, but I think now that the future land use has not been changed. Staff can't necessarily recommend approval.
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Um, yeah, I, I think that's correct because the recommendation for the future land use was to deny. So, yeah,
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so staff is not recommending approval of this application based on your, um, prior decision because it would be inconsistent ‸ with the current future land use, um,
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Okay.
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would just be repeating what we've already discussed.
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okay. Okay.
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Um, can you raise your right hand, please? Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Yes. Thank you. And if you could just state your name and address for the record.
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Yes.
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Uh, it's just a matter of going over the same subjects, uh, basically, um, it's a process that we have to go through. Uh, but the concerns that were brought up, uh, there was explanations about all the subjects and I just hoped for support. That's it. Thank you.
[01:24:03] Speaker 4
Thanks. ‸ We do have, uh, delegation cards. Um, if anybody would like to speak on this, I'll just call you up.
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Frank Sullivan.
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what I said for the first one goes for the second
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one. Yeah,
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If I could just point out, if, if there are multiple people that want to speak, I can do one swearing in at one time.
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Okay. Does anybody that spoke before want to speak again on this? Okay.
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If I could have anyone who wishes to speak on this item, please stand and raise your right hand. I have to swear you in. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
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I do.
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Thank you.
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William Coates.
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‸ Okay.
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So I think I'm a little confused about the discussion, uh,
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from staff around what they can or can't do it. It seems simple. I mean, it,
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[01:25:12] Speaker 13
I recommend it now.
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Okay. Good. I misunderstood that. Thank you. Um, I want
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1960s apartment building is across the street and, you know, across the street is zoned for X, Y, Z. It doesn't make those things, right? In
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those things are probably wrong. And you reach a tipping point with too many wrong decisions.
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Sounds to me like you're going to make the same decision again.
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And again, it just, we can get to a tipping point with too many wrong decisions. And a
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in process across the street. Doesn't mean we're locked into a mistake on this one.
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I live on [address]. I just wanted to address something that you mentioned that there's in your recommendation or in your soliloquy.
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street. It is so it doesn't seem to me that you would say that it's not available since on that side of Dixon, it exists. It's not developed. And maybe that side should be developed ‸ before this side is, which has its own character. That is not at all similar to what is on that side of Dixon. ‸ Just wanted to comment on that. I'm not familiar with how it works, but it seems to be counterintuitive.
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So I'll be brief. There's a lot of wildlife that's down there. There are springs in the area, I think. And with all due respect to Mr. Greenwood, I think the contractor saying, yeah,
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not there. It's this and that.
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yes, there may be a record from several years ago.
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see what it's like now. There's been development around there. It has affected the area. I
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down that street and along Indian River Drive every morning. A lot of water there and you can stand on the single family side and see the lights from their house. And you can see the water reflected in it so that there is standing water pretty much on that whole area.
[01:27:43] Speaker 4
Thanks. Good evening. Thank you. I do have a card from Michael to Christopher.
[01:27:50] Speaker 22
That's on item four.
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Okay. So which is new item five? Is it?
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I
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think so. We're on item. We're on new item
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four. Do you want to speak on the diamondback?
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Okay. I'll catch you next one.
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No, sir.
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Okay. I'm going to close it to the public and bring it back to the board.
[01:28:23] Speaker 3
‸ So we still have to make another recommendation to city council on the matter, correct?
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Yes.
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After you.
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We got a motion. Do we have a second? I'll second that motion. Second. Any discussion? All in favor of denying the motion, denying the.
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Can we again identify what, what the reasoning is, and I don't know if that's just because of the comprehensive plan outcome from the previous one, but the board could identify that would help.
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Well, one, one part is it's recommended by the state city staff to deny it's not in compliance with the comprehensive plan. Thank you.
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I also think
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future land use is subjective. Um, when you review these things and it's a domino theory, um,
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can make a case for saying, okay, this is, uh, getting to be reality where not like family units, you know, something more than single family is on the docket. But I also think they have to look at it and say, this is the zoning when these people moved in. There really isn't
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that going down this road makes sense in this particular location.
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that's the reason I, I do think we have to listen to the
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So that's my reasoning. And I think with the zoning changes moving.
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Um,
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Um, just quick clarification is staffs only recommendation for denial based off the previous, uh, recommendation from council.
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If
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the previous recommendation from ‸ council was to approve. Would staff be recommending approval of this item?
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Yes.
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Okay. So your denial for the item is solely based on our previous. ‸ Okay.
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Any other discussion? All in favor of the denial of the. Item say aye
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aye
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aye aye. All opposed? Aye. Two nays. Motion carries. On to the next item.
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Staff, you're up.
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let me get you the PowerPoint again, sorry.
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pulling up the PowerPoint, I do want to note, too, that obviously we are super limited on staff, but I have to give thanks to
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Council for helping us with a bunch of the PowerPoints, a bunch of the staff reports. They have helped us put together, I think, one of the largest agendas you've ever seen with the least staff we've ever had. So a big thank you to them.
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all right. So our next item,
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large-scale site plan approval. Consideration of a large-scale site plan consistent with Appendix A zoning, Article 11, Section 19, M-2, to allow construction of two industrial manufacturing buildings totaling
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with associated infrastructure on a 29.25 acre site identified as Parcel 24-35-12-00-506 from Brevard County Records. This is the Diamondback Marine Division application, and ‸ it has been submitted by
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Again, I went over the parcel ID and the parcel size. It is located north of Grissom Parkway. If you're familiar with their current Diamondback site, it is across Grissom from their current site. And the current facility's address is
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It currently has a future land use of industrial and a zone of M-2, both of which ‸ are consistent and allow ‸ for this application. They are requesting to build the site in two phases. The first phase is 150,000 square foot manufacturing building. The second phase is an additional building with 60,000 square feet. This is a site plan, which the applicant will speak more about. We obviously have to go through the zoning code for M-2 and make sure that all the items are met. We just put a few of them on the staff report here for you. Things like impervious coverage, things like the setbacks are all being met. The building height for this zone is 60 feet, of ‸ which they will be under. The parking we do, they are providing 287 parking spaces, of which is enough for
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And you'll see in our recommendation for approval on this project that we have put a condition in. The application obviously takes time to go through the city. And the applicants have also entered into a development agreement with us for the site because of the number of trees that are on the site. And due to that, we got very specific about the number of employees in the development agreement. And we're requesting that the applicant make the number of employees listed on the site plan consistent with the number of employees identified in the development agreement.
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But we did put a copy of all the development agreements at your seat today. So you can look at this specifically. The applicants are doing an amazing job providing landscaping within their site plan. ‸ I will let them speak to ‸ that. But
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or have a lot of palms. And our current landscape code requires them to mitigate for the palms and the pines. Thus, they are looking at a large amount to pay into the tree mitigation bank
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in which they worked out a development agreement with city council that
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And the particulars of that are all noted in the development agreement that you have at your desk. They have committed to maintain these jobs for eight years. Should they not maintain those jobs at any point in time,
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that we are, that city council has forgiven and are asking for your consideration today to do the same thing. which is, this is a slide for what I just went over. ‸ So you don't have to read all that.
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future land use element policy 1.1.2.10 regarding consistency with intent of industrial future land use classifications.
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have examined and the position for meeting level of service standards for potable water, sewer, storm water, traffic, all of those types of items. You'll see another condition of approval, which relates to, I better read this for sure to make sure I'm not getting it messed up. No, okay. So ‸ they meet all the requirements of all of the level of services for this application. And then of course, staff does not find any budgetary impacts to the city with this application. The staffer recommends approval of the project subject to the following three conditions. And the applicant is here to speak on the project also.
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Okay. Would the applicant like to speak now?
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Thank you.
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And before you start,
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Sure.
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truth? Yes. And if you could just state your name and address for the record.
[01:38:26] Speaker 19 (introduced as “Dave Glunt” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Sure. My name is Dave Glunt.
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Thank you.
[01:38:37] Speaker 19 (introduced as “Dave Glunt” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
Good evening. I'm here representing BTGM, which is more commonly known as Diamondback America. They have several different companies underneath the Diamondback America, I guess, mother company. They have
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[01:39:05] Speaker 19 (introduced as “Dave Glunt” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
firearms, CNC machining, airboats, and Zach Brown knives, and the towers, also known as the Marine Division. Diamondback started business here in Cocoa back in 1989. They currently have about 330 employees throughout the seven different divisions. The project here for the 150,000 square foot building that they're starting first, followed by the 60,000 square foot building, they're looking at moving over approximately 150 of their current employees and hiring about 100 new employees ‸ as an initial move to ‸ start the new facility.
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[01:40:00] Speaker 19 (introduced as “Dave Glunt” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
can house somewhere in the neighborhood of over 500 employees without having to adjust the parking code. We're not anticipating having that many employees, but ‸ the facility is big enough for expansion. So directly across the street from this facility
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the CNC machining, and the Zach Brown knives divisions, and they're going to currently stay there with the new facility across the street.
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[01:40:41] Speaker 19 (introduced as “Dave Glunt” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
Currently with this site plan, as you can see with the kind of dotted hatch area, those are wetlands that are on the property. We've gone through rigorous environmental permitting
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and the St.
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River Water Management District to come up with a site plan that minimizes the impacts.
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[01:41:01] Speaker 19 (introduced as “Dave Glunt” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
mean, it's a 29-acre industrially zoned property of which we're ‸ preserving 2.64 acres of wetlands on the east side, and there's an associated 2.78-acre upland buffer totaling 5.4 acres of area that will be placed under a conservation easement. So those 2 wetland habitats would be joined by an upland buffer area that will kind of keep that area. ‸ preserved as an environmentally, you know, under a conservation easement.
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this project. The other wetland area More located in the center of the project already has secondary impacts from the Amazon project to the north. And we are ‸ slightly impacting that wetland system in order to get the configuration that works the best with the 2 buildings and the associated parking and drive aisles to handle large 18-wheelers to get ‸ through.
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upland buffer that we're preserving there.
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Those would be those very white spaces, you know, not the middle of the ponds, but
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preserving as, you know, the heavy tree canopy that's there. And also, our landscape plan is providing
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enhanced buffer to the front of the property as well as throughout the parking areas and perimeter.
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have our permits ‸ from that agency as well as Brevard County. We've been recommended for approval, pending our approval with the city for the two access points, turn lanes and utility improvements in the Grissom Parkway right-of-way. I'm here to really answer ‸ any questions that you guys have. The owner is here also so he can answer any operational questions that you might have with the facility. We thank you for your time and hope that you can approve us here tonight. Thank you. Does the board have
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any questions?
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I ‸ actually think it's great that you're expanding on Coco.
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tree board is that we would be looking a little bit at the
[01:44:10] Speaker 9 (introduced as “Donna Manfredi” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
development and developers agreement. ‸ But
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I have to say I think this looks like a great project. And Angela went over the terms of the developers agreement with
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me and I totally support this
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project based on how it's presented. Thank you.
[01:44:35] Speaker 4
Thank you. Any other questions? All right. We're going to open the delegation. Michael DeChristopher.
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And if I could if there's multiple people that want to speak on this, I can swear you all in at one time. If not I'll just do the one. Do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
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do.
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Thank you. ‸ Just name
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address for the record.
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I have no objections. I'm just concerned about secondary impacts and I just want to make sure that when the site plan is approved and everything that there's no adverse or secondary impacts to my property. Thank you.
[01:45:23] Speaker 4
Thank you. All right. One closed delegation.
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start this tree mitigation fund and where the where does the money go and how is it spent? And how is it? I'm just hearing understanding this for the first time.
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We started it about two years ago, two and a half years ago. And
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bank so definitely it's very recent and we've been implementing it ever since that point in time. so you're required to replace all the trees that you remove on a site inch for inch if you're not able to replace those which many of these very large sites you're not because there are so many trees then you're required to pay into the tree mitigation bank you're required to again pay for inch for inch for those trees plus two years of maintenance the money goes into a fund that is administered through public works and the money can only be used for we itemize like three things basically it's anything to do with replacing trees within the city
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tree canopy because we're doing a big grant for tree canopy study right now and so some of the money has gone to that tree canopy study
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oh yeah the irrigation and we even allowed for the potential for the city to start its own nursery those were the three items that the money could go for as it's collected from these type of applications okay
[01:47:26] Speaker 4
so I understood you know I recall that and I remember voting on big trees one maybe two big trees I've never seen a big development like this with this type of money tied to it it just seems exponential and I understand these development agreements are done you know with the council it just doesn't seem like you know the hometown company is getting a fair shake compared to Amazon Amazon didn't as I
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and that's probably why I haven't heard about it until we now are getting some of these bigger developments that are coming in and and
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as a tree ‸ you know I get the pine trees but not cabbage palms
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there's a flaw in our landscape plan and it does need to be addressed and you are right you're both ‸ cabbage palms palms and it's up for consideration I believe ‸ something will be coming back to the board but also
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are also having to be counted and mitigated for and it is extremely expensive for all these sites and the city has been evolving with how it handles that mitigation I
[01:49:00] Speaker 7
do just want to add the only thing I would add is that under the existing landscaping ‸ ordinance it does exempt any trees that are within the building footprint ‸ of the actual building
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feet around it so in other words they're not including that in
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So it could be much more
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to be
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mitigated
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is it possible that when we revisit this that we could readdress some of these developers that are coming into the city and
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little bit that we can go back and
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don't even kick in on this one for four years
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‸ maybe we can go back and revisit that and you know ‸ it just kind of just blew my mind
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so in the agreement with with
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it does provide that if the city does choose to amend the code the landscaping code they can request a recalculation of the amount ‸ so there is a paragraph that addresses that specifically
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that's encouraging
[01:50:26] Speaker 4
okay I think it's a great project I've been waiting for it to happen for quite some time I don't have anything else I have a question
[01:50:37] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
yes I also support this project but I'm also going back in reference to the subjects that were brought up about the number of trees I agree with what the chairman had stated that cabbage palms and even the pine trees things like that when this tree when us when we finally started the tree board again that was basically died off it was more concerns like with our oak trees and
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because that would be something that would be important more so than the other trees where I'd rather consider supporting it because the expense and give the mitigation
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but if there's oak trees there that ‸ is different I think we're known in the city
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oak trees and ‸ I'm hoping that maybe that could be addressed not necessarily all the trees on the whole property the ‸ oak trees are really symbolic of this city
[01:51:54] Speaker 19 (introduced as “Dave Glunt” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
there were only a few oak trees a handful we are actually preserving I think more oak trees than we're taking out and our landscape plan that we're proposing is very extensive so ‸ most other municipalities throughout the state of Florida we would be exceeding their landscape requirements
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well I realize that you know we have probably more requirements but when you're saying some of them how many are you removing do you know yet I want
[01:52:19] Speaker 19 (introduced as “Dave Glunt” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
to say it was three or four oak trees and I think they were four inch or six inch
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yeah
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and I will say
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typical and I'm glad you brought it up just really
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quick
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the next application is very similar people are doing an amazing job replacing the oaks with additional oaks better quality oaks all kinds of great things right everyone's very respectful of that
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are the trees that we talked about prior to this it's not the oaks and people are doing a good job either preserving the oaks and or replacing them very very appropriately
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isn't that true
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how much are you guys putting into the landscaping that you're putting in I
[01:53:13] Speaker 19 (introduced as “Dave Glunt” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
think our landscape architect estimated it to be about
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in landscaping
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does any of them include additional oaks if you're able to locate them in the areas you're talking about to make up for the others that need to be removed
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are definitely among one of them so
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‸ it could replace the ones that you're oh ‸ absolutely okay
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any more questions
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second ‸ any discussion
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all opposed motion carries
[01:54:00] Speaker 7 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
thank you mr. chairman just to confirm that motion included the conditions for staff that staff recommended correct yes
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yes thank you if you want me to read it over again I can but the idea passed so do you want me to re-read it with
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the three yeah I'm just confirming it's with the three conditions that staff included in the
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report I make a motion that we approve the large scale site plan for diamondback marine division manufacturing with the idea of putting extra attention on including oak trees that are removed in their landscaping plan
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with the three conditions the three conditions
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those are the three conditions I'm sorry
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You don't have to read them all
[01:55:01] Speaker 6
staff recommendation I gotta get cataracts so what do I need to correct
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Just add the following conditions as outlined by staff
[01:55:12] Speaker 7
yeah your motion includes the three conditions recommended by staff
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yes staff recommended yes thank you We have a motion. Do we have a second
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I'll second
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‸ we have a second?
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all opposed motion carries all right last item
[01:55:42] Speaker 16 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
okay we are bringing to you good evening
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planning and zoning department I'm bringing a consideration of a large-scale site plan consistent with
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[01:55:56] Speaker 16 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
article 11 section 5 ru 215 ‸ and resolution 2022-032 to allow for the construction of four permit buildings consisting of 90 units of affordable multi-family rental housing with related facilities and associated infrastructure on 7.63 acre site on the southwest corner of Michigan Avenue and University Lane
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number
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from the Brevard County records
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[01:56:41] Speaker 16 + overlapping voice
to build an affordable housing project along Michigan Avenue and University Lane the project named Orchid Lake is a 90 ‸ unit garden style complex consisting of four residential buildings with a clubhouse and related amenities Florida Housing Finance Corporation will require the property to set aside 14 of the units for households earning 33% or less of the area median income and ‸ 76% of the units for household earnings 60% or less of the median income the city council previously approved resolution 2022-032 at its April 12, 2022 meeting authorizing an affordable housing land use on this property which is currently zoned commercial ‸ in accordance with section 166.04151 Florida statute subject to the zoning standards ‸ and requirements of the RU215 zoning district under Florida statute the city council has the authority to allow an affordable housing land use on any parcel zone residential commercial or industrial use this project is located in the general commercial zoning district and under the city's comprehensive plan this type of project would ordinarily not be allowed the applicant requested the city invoked the provisions under section 166.04151 to allow this type of development in the general commercial zoning and was granted approval because of the city's authorization of this project it is being reviewed subject to
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zoning standards and requirements of the RU215 zoning district they will provide a one bedroom one bath 36 units at
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two bedroom two bath 37 units at
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three bedroom two bath 17 units at
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[01:58:58] Speaker 16 + overlapping voice
they meet all level of services for this parcel landscaping and tree removal is addressed in this site plan and landscaping plan these
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I'm sorry these plans indicate that while orchid lake intends to replace approximately 300 trees which equals to
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that are being removed on site there will still be a deficit of 709 trees approximately
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that are not being replaced this is being addressed with a development agreement which was included in the staff report and placed at your desk as well in addition the project will be providing enhanced landscaping along the property boundary at
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which includes a mix of trees and hedges species staff has reviewed the site plan and determined that it meets the RU215 requirements staff finds that the site plan is consistent with the comprehensive plan and thus staff recommends approval with the four conditions noted in your staff report the applicant is also here to answer any questions that you may have
[02:00:16] Speaker 4
all right applicant like to speak
[02:00:24] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
good evening my name is Jason Larson I'm with housing trust group
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if I could sir I also need to swear ‸ in on this one sure do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth
[02:00:34] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
yes
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thank you and you already stated your name so you're good
[02:00:38] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
okay ‸ staff did a pretty thorough job on the presentation so you know happy to answer any questions you have the board have any questions
[02:00:55] Speaker 3
actually I've got one just for staff ‸ based off the earlier discussions are you
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[02:01:11] Speaker 16
you mean the size of the units
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no ‸ it
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would
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be 15 dwelling units per acre
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[02:01:28] Speaker 6
units can you is this going to be all wood construction concrete what size the units are and rents that you think might be according to the number of bedrooms and all
[02:01:41] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
sure so this will be wood constructed our one bedroom units
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as previously stated I think it's
[02:01:51] Speaker 16
‸ 802 ‸ square feet
[02:01:53] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
yeah for a one bedroom and then
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[02:01:55] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
two
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bedroom two bath if you'll allow me to go ahead and jump in I'm sorry one bedroom one bath there's 36 units in total and they are 802 square feet the two bedroom two bath there will be 37 units and
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[02:02:14] Speaker 16
the three bedroom two bathrooms have 17 units and are 1137 square feet totaling 90 units
[02:02:24] Speaker 6
and the rent amounts yeah the the rental amounts
[02:02:29] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
for the 14 lower 33% AMI units those are the one bedrooms well we have some of those one two and three so in that affordability range so for the one bedroom it would be $395 and then for the one bedroom 60% AMI rents it's $807
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[02:02:54] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
two bedroom 33% rents it's $392 and then for the 60% rents it's $962 and then on the three bedrooms for the 33% rents it's $367 and then
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[02:03:22] Speaker 6
and the ‸ landscaping plans like was discussed earlier you were here probably heard the same discussion I'm just hoping that ‸ the idea of salvaging the live oak trees that are on the property and if you're able to add to that is that something that you're supportive of
[02:03:44] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
to my recollection we did not have any live oaks I don't believe it was mostly pine trees and it was a lot of pine trees so ‸ it was a ‸ kind of a densely wooded pine trees mainly and cabbage palms and
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[02:04:08] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
and I think the cost of that would probably be upwards of
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the position to try to preserve them
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I mean typically
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[02:04:25] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
so ‸ we certainly try and preserve any live oak or any other heritage type tree that's you know large supportive of that okay ‸ thank you no more questions
[02:04:38] Speaker 4
any other discussion all right I'm going to open up the public anybody like to speak on this hearing none I'm going to go ahead and close it
[02:04:50] Speaker 15
I did want to ask
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[02:04:52] Speaker 15
to make a statement
[02:04:53] Speaker 4
yeah come on up to the podium
[02:05:01] Speaker 1
ma'am before you begin I do have to swear you in no
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problem
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do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth I
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do
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thank you and just your name and address for the record please
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Lynette Daniels
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[02:05:18] Speaker 15 + overlapping voice
so I was from the beginning of the night you you you've already talked about over 300 units already done on 524 all right and before that
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[02:05:32] Speaker 15 + overlapping voice
800 units or more why would you pick that area
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[02:05:37] Speaker 15 + overlapping voice
small area because it's already going to be crowded why wouldn't you make a partnership to develop some of ‸ those same type of affordable on some of those bigger larger scale of units because that area is already condensed with people
[02:05:59] Speaker 16 + overlapping voice
we can't really tell if the property is allowed to develop in that area for what they're wanting to do with this Florida statute it is
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something ‸ they
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[02:06:16] Speaker 15 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
affordable housing too it's in the same area it's only a mile difference
[02:06:22] Speaker 16
the applicant is allowed to bring it forward but we all we can do is present and the board actually determines whether or not it's going to be approved or denied
[02:06:32] Speaker 15
and and I've gone to a meeting that you had previously over in the neighborhood for that area and it indicated that they were going to be 24-7 security is that true
[02:06:44] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
‸ we will have security
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at
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[02:06:56] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
budget if we have room for 24-7
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[02:07:04] Speaker 15
and
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[02:07:08] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
yes ma'am we will have security cameras
[02:07:11] Speaker 15
and so what is your management how are you going to manage these
[02:07:17] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
well
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[02:07:25] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
a set of rules and you know if we have a tenant that's not following the rules then we you know we do evict it's not it's not worth it for us to have a ‸ problem household disrupting the entire community
[02:07:41] Speaker 15
yeah what is your violation tier for that for eviction I mean I saw some of the documentation said one strike you out
[02:07:52] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
well yeah we actually with ‸ our partner we do have ‸ similar ‸ and I have
[02:07:59] Speaker 15
emailed ‸ some of the other associations college ‸ also emailed and asked for your rules and regulations and we never got any response back
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[02:08:19] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice
yeah the ‸ stripes would
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[02:08:22] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice
attached to the lease because the tenant has to agree to this so ‸ basically no tenant shall engage in any criminal activity drug-related activity should not facilitate any of that type of activity will not permit the property to be used for any type of illegal activity and that's actually a one strike in your out so any of that will not be tolerated and then basically we have some three strikes in your
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house
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provisions so everyone has to you know pay
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[02:09:07] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice
rent on time property must be cut clean and free of pests and unsafe conditions
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[02:09:17] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
water and air conditioning has to be used prudently and it does we do encourage tenants to run the AC because we want to make sure there's not a mold issue tenants cannot engage in activities that disturb their neighbors or any acts of violence and they have to take responsibility for behaviors of children and guests at all times
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[02:09:44] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified) + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
how
[02:09:44] Speaker 15 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
do you regulate that
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well
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[02:09:54] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
so you know I'm not saying we can police every single thing at
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[02:10:09] Speaker 12 (introduced as “Jason Larson” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
would be grounds for
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eviction.
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[02:10:17] Speaker 11
you going to come about something
[02:10:18] Speaker 4
excuse me ma'am so the three minutes are just about up but if you'd like to speak with these guys privately to go over some of your concerns it seems more more appropriate thank you
[02:10:30] Speaker 15
no problem
[02:10:34] Speaker 4
anybody else like to speak yes
[02:10:43] Speaker 21 (introduced as “Linda Bender” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
my name is Linda Bender [address]
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[02:10:47] Speaker 21 (introduced as “Linda Bender” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
I just have one comment to make
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[02:10:54] Speaker 1
do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth
[02:10:57] Speaker 21 (introduced as “Linda Bender” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
I do
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thank you
[02:11:00] Speaker 21 (introduced as “Linda Bender” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
just one comment to the council
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[02:11:10] Speaker 21 (introduced as “Linda Bender” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
according to there are three condo complexes around this proposed complex has any kind of an impact been been looked at concerning these we're bringing in moderate to low income people here what does that mean for these other three condo places we have
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are living there full time these rents are much lower than ‸ the ones that ‸ we're renting in our condos so I
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the council just to consider that
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[02:11:54] Speaker 21 (introduced as “Linda Bender” — machine-transcribed, not verified)
understand these are you know ‸ we're trying to help people but we're also we also need to help the full-time tenants that are there right now ‸ thank you
[02:12:06] Speaker 4
thank you all right I'm going to close it to the public bring it back to the board I'd like to make a motion oh
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Mr.
[02:12:19] Speaker 7
Greenwood sorry before you do I just wanted to point out that the recommended conditions one through four ‸ the current version is what's on the screen not what's in the staff report because the utilities director and public works director made some minor adjustments to them last minute so I just want to point that out for the record
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okay
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[02:12:54] Speaker 6
items for the recommendation recommended recommended motion but I would like additional attention put for ‸ live oaks to be included in the landscaping plan if that's supported with the rest of the board
[02:13:11] Speaker 4
all right we have a motion you have a second I'll second ‸ second any discussion all in favor say ‸ aye
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aye aye
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all opposed motion carries all right other business
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we still have one more item
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we move that to
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number one
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fees
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which one is it
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maybe we didn't mess it up
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22-508 ‸ sorry thank you all right so
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[02:14:21] Speaker 13 + overlapping voice
you an ordinance of the city of the city council of the city of
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coco
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[02:14:26] Speaker 13 + overlapping voice
brevard ‸ read it from here it's a little bit easier sorry brevard county florida repealing appendix a zoning article 20 of the zoning ordinance of the city of cocoa repealing the schedule of fees charges and expenses to be paid to the city upon receipt of planning and zoning related applications contained herein providing for the adoption of future planning and zoning fee schedules by resolution so I want to explain kind of how this works it is a little bit complicated but we charge to get ‸ any of the applications through the process to where they were tonight we look at charging planning fees we charge building fees and then we charge fire inspection fees and these three categories of fees obviously help defray some of the
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[02:15:22] Speaker 13 + overlapping voice
for the applications going through the process the planning fees were set up within the zoning ordinance that I just referred to
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[02:15:35] Speaker 13 + overlapping voice
they have never been amended or changed since 2003 but in contrast the building department fees and the fire fees are set up per resolution so when we want to amend those fees for the building or fire we can simply take a resolution to city council and amend the fees but the zoning fees are a little more a little bit difficult a little bit more difficult to ‸ alter because they are it does take an ordinance to amend the fees and then it would it takes your recommendation to city council then it takes two readings at city council to amend that ordinance so what we are proposing to do tonight this ordinance actually removes the fees from the planning and zoning code and ‸ would allow them to be then treated like the building fees and the fire fees in the future where they can simply be amended per resolution which would be two readings at city council for any updates and things like that so I believe that it's not required to come
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[02:16:57] Speaker 13 + overlapping voice
obviously it has to go through two readings of city council to be approved but if that were to happen also then in the future we can simply amend these fees by resolution which could go straight to city council but of course we have a lot of areas on the agenda where we can provide updates to you and tell you here's what we're thinking of doing
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[02:17:19] Speaker 13 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
moving forward in the future so we're not trying to remove you from the process we're simply trying to make the process easier to modify so that we don't go another 20 years without updating our fees again and having said that I want to show you kind of why we are looking at updating these fees we we've had a lot of budget hearing ‸ with city council and it became a priority of our city council to look at these fees and to really look at applications helping to remit the cost of staff to do the reviews that are needed and so we did a large study when we did this with all the fees
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[02:18:06] Speaker 13 + overlapping voice
but the ones that are required to come before you are the planning and zoning ones which you have tonight and ‸ so the slide you have before you I'm giving you an example of our current fees for the comprehensive plan amendment that you heard before you tonight the current fee for that is $500 our proposed fee moving forward would be $1550 plus the advertising fees and you can see how that relates to Brevard County Titusville Cocoa Beach Melbourne Palm Bay likewise for a site plan review so
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that you just saw come before you tonight the application fee for those was $350 plus $25 per acre and then you can see our proposed fee goes up to $1500 plus $550 per acre which again makes them more consistent with the region around us and then the final plat gets a little bit more complicated with the plat but again just giving you a nice mix of the applications that we have before us some of the applications like our business tax receipt and
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that are really our mom and pop businesses have been raised very very very little if at all with these applications too so we've obviously taken that into consideration also but staff does ask for your recommendation to city council tonight to approve ordinance 13-2022
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to repeal the existing appendix a zoning article 20 of the zoning ordinance containing a schedule of planning and zoning application fees and to adopt future fee schedules by resolution
[02:20:01] Speaker 3
thank you any questions so as of this plan the
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this no
[02:20:17] Speaker 13 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
city council is not asking for you to be removed staff yeah staff is just recommending that we remove it from this lengthy process and make it more similar to the building and fire fees because they've already been amended and are in place and they've been charging these higher fees where it's going to take us a couple months to get through this process we really wanted to implement it before the end of the year but I'm not sure we'll make it just because of the time frame of going through the various boards
[02:20:49] Speaker 3
‸ so with this motion is it going to be for all future increases or just the current one of the time
[02:20:59] Speaker 13
this motion is actually not for the increase it's simply to remove the fees from the ordinance so if you agree to remove the fees from the ordinance then we can move forward with just a resolution with city council proposing the fees that you just saw
[02:21:19] Speaker 2
simply I
[02:21:20] Speaker 13
just gave you this so that you kind of knew what was going to what could happen
[02:21:24] Speaker 2
taking it out of the zoning code simply allows more flexibility for the city as far as right
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[02:21:33] Speaker 4
right well I have to open it to the public and seeing none I'm going to close it to the public and bring it back to the board do we have a motion from the board sure
[02:21:44] Speaker 20 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
I'll make a motion on that go ahead on the make a motion on this resolution ordinance
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to allow city council to repeal the
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of the zoning ordinance containing the schedule of planning and zoning application fees and
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by resolution
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[02:22:14] Speaker 4
I'll second it you have a second any discussion all in favor say aye
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aye aye
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all opposed motion carries
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it's
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anything
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[02:22:48] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
yes so
[02:22:57] Speaker 13
I'm sorry I didn't hear what you said
[02:22:59] Speaker 4 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
I was asking if we had any updates on the tree board anything from staff
[02:23:03] Speaker 13 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
no there are no tree board updates
[02:23:05] Speaker 6
okay Alec yes I'd like to provide some information there's there's been a couple of times where the guidelines for the landscaping on various projects is a little vague and it also brings into question the size of for example oak trees
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involved they're only talking about six inch diameter is that correct Angela I think that one of the requirements are six inches which is probably about like that
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we count every tree that's four inches and bigger
[02:23:46] Speaker 6
okay I think that we had suggested that might be something we need to revisit and I'd like to see if that's a possibility because this and another item that I think is important to revisit as well but for right now in reference to the tree mitigations and the tree landscaping requirements I think that once you have enough strength and staff to go over this to have it revised I think it's time we need to do that because I also understood that there were a couple times that even yourself had mentioned it was a little vague as far as the way the design for the landscaping requirements are questionable and
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[02:24:40] Speaker 6
and then the other items are not let's see
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okay
[02:24:51] Speaker 6
so that's basically the thing that I wanted to see if maybe the board here would be also supportive of that
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and I was hoping that maybe the board would agree
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anybody else have anything
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developments you'd like to touch on well I was wanting to know if there was a
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on that consistent
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[02:25:22] Speaker 6
as far as revisiting the tree diameters yeah that ‸ and also the other items that have been brought up that needs to be fine-tuned
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there was some
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but it's something we need to look into and I'd like to see if there's a consensus here with the board
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that because she is short staffed but I'd like to see if there's a consensus with the board that it's something that she can fit in into her schedule when it's convenient
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well the other is I
[02:25:57] Speaker 6
don't know if we specifically state live oaks is it just regular oaks because there are laurel oaks and they only live for 70 years and they end up falling apart and rotting that's happened in front of the college almost all those trees on at the college there on clear lake they're dying they're disappearing and I remember when they first were planted I'm showing my age right now but
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[02:26:24] Speaker 6
but I need to see if the board is interested in revisiting this
[02:26:31] Speaker 3 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
are you asking that they that once they die they be replanted like a new one no
[02:26:36] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice
we need to put live oaks now because then we won't have that issue they live a lot longer than the laurel oaks laurel oaks grow real fast they are oak trees but their lifespan is half of what a live oak would be they take longer to grow but you don't have the situation where you lose them all and I think that that's important including giving more guidance to people that want to do development in the city that this is something that I think is important we're known for oak trees and I think it's important that we really make it very clear of our position to preserve what cocoa has even though we've been losing a lot of them ‸ so
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[02:27:22] Speaker 2
I have a question how involved is the sustainability group
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trees and the tree canopy project and all that are they involved at all I
[02:27:37] Speaker 13 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
don't think they're involved at all I haven't been to any of their meetings so I probably shouldn't say at all
[02:27:44] Speaker 17 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
I don't know either that's something that
[02:27:47] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
well we're designated by the council as a tree board
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‸ so
[02:27:50] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
this is part of our responsibility rather than being dependent on anybody
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any other board
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I would just tend to think it would go hand in hand in their input that's just me
[02:28:05] Speaker 7 + overlapping voice
the only thing I can add to that is that
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was recently essentially reconstituted so they had their first meeting last week and so I think their next order of business is to go back through the sustainability plan that was adopted ‸ but I can certainly pass along that message to the city manager
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‸ they may look at in conjunction with the plan and make any recommendations as well ‸ so
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clarification
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[02:28:52] Speaker 6
what we are designated as a tree board
[02:28:55] Speaker 7 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
no no I'm not suggesting that I'm just suggesting that they are looking at you know ways to be sustainable and also implementation of the sustainability plan that was adopted ‸ and I'm
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how does ‸ how could that overlap without it causing a conflict between the decision
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don't think
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it's ‸ not a conflict it's just
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an advisory board
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[02:29:27] Speaker 7 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
so but they and again I'm not certain if it is part of the sustainability plan what I'm suggesting is they're just getting getting back together and taking a look at that plan again so
[02:29:40] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
so what would you recommend is this something that the board at this point since I'm bringing it up for a consensus should we wait to hear their position or should we show that we're interested in having this revisited and revised no
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I'm not suggesting you wait I was just trying to respond to oh my question I
[02:30:02] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
got confused I'm sorry I'd still like to see if there's a support for this to be revisited as had been suggested by staff
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we've discussed that
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‸ the landscape code needs to be revisited but we
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[02:30:26] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
you haven't had time no all right ‸ so by you having the consensus of the board is that another support mechanism that you all could look into when you do have time or do you need the consensus yes
[02:30:39] Speaker 17 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
when we have the time and the staff absolutely ‸ so
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[02:30:46] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice
all right that's it I have other information and the rest of the items on the agenda I'll wait till they come up
[02:30:56] Speaker 4 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
‸ okay anybody else on the tree board all right recent developments
[02:31:05] Speaker 13
no further updates
[02:31:06] Speaker 4
okay open discussion I think the city attorney wants to speak on this
[02:31:14] Speaker 7
yeah I was just asked to explain a little bit further about what would be the kind of the appropriate boundaries of discussion under the open discussion item which is recurring on the agenda and so I just wrote a short memo for you summarized it essentially says that your duties
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[02:31:37] Speaker 7
as a board are set forth in the city code essentially looking at making zoning recommendations conference and planning recommendations and acting as the tree board so to the extent that you want to discuss anything during open discussion it should be related to those items which again are set forth in the code and I included those sections for you in the memo so you can look at them thank you that was helpful
[02:32:10] Speaker 6
there's some other points I'd like to bring up whenever you're ready open discussion go ahead
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[02:32:17] Speaker 6
at the let's see another ordinance I guess you could call it that or guidelines that also needed some tweaking that was brought up is in reference to the facade materials and paint colors for exterior buildings when there's new construction that also seemed to be needing a little more clarification on it and I'd like to see if ‸ it's possible whenever the staff has time to look further into it because again
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[02:33:02] Speaker 6
the one building at the last board meeting
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where the colors were horribly repainted on a building and that was out of spite I guess but since that time it's been rented and the colors already been changed it's beautiful and it's a very nice restaurant that's going in there
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or not ‸ but this plays into it as far as looking further into revising the exterior facade materials and paint that seems to be a little more vague
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[02:33:47] Speaker 6
some clarification so I guess we could treat this as we just had a discussion about revising the tree board position for landscaping for other projects that's coming in
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could be left whenever it's free again is that the best way to handle this when the staff's free okay is that something that the board also feels it's necessary as a consensus or not
[02:34:19] Speaker 3
just to throw my opinion
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for you Alec as much as I agree with certain aspects of buildings needing to
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the surrounding areas just like with residential and commercial they need to play into the surrounding areas as far as putting a hammer down on that I believe that
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that
[02:34:54] Speaker 3 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
might be a little bit of a stretch for the board again just my opinion as far as because I understand that there are not
[02:35:05] Speaker 6
for the board to decide that's not the route not for the board no no it's for the staff to revise their guidelines and then that way when projects come to them they can include the specifics on the exterior facades not for us to vote on no okay so I was just curious if there's a consensus that even though it's been brought up that needs to be addressed as it was at the last council meeting I'd like to see if this is something that the the tree board here also the tree board but also the
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board is something that we would like to have revised or
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then I'm not sure how much opinion we should have on it okay good point
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people complain that they have a hard enough time
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and this just adds one more layer and as much as I would love to see the village you know with the
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I just I just worry that we don't want to get the reputation that a historic district that's not a historic district and in historic districts
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and I'm just a little concerned about that and where we can't move on ‸ it doesn't make sense
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[02:36:52] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
can be enhanced a little bit the guidelines that you're using is that something that you all can do within your staff requirements when people come before you with new construction or do you need something with a little more direction in
[02:37:06] Speaker 13 + overlapping voice
the city right now it's only in the cocoa waterfront overlay district and they are architectural guidelines by type so when you look at developing a site you have to look through that waterlay district and it depends on if it's a townhome
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a large-scale commercial, a small-scale
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[02:37:26] Speaker 13 + overlapping voice
commercial there's all kinds of different categories there's a category for cottage and then the particular guidelines are set around that and
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the height and those type of things the size the part of the parcel where the property where the building can be placed on the property so they just touch on the aesthetics as far as like the appearance so that again you want it to look and blend with the historic character of the village but they don't go into anything like color or anything like that
[02:38:06] Speaker 6
or materials
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[02:38:09] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
like rock facade things like that that's correct and that was what I was interested about if that's something that you feel might need to be included in order for you to show that this is what the city of
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tends to lean on as far as exterior facades because
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how receptive are people that are wanting to bring a project they want to build in Cocoa Village for example how receptive are they and are they serious about wanting it to blend with the rest of the character that we have in the village instead of having another bank that we've got now between the two 520s that is ultra modern and it obviously doesn't fit
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and I
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I feel
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‸ you're ‸ asking my opinion so ‸ I can't
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I have many opinions on all that kind of stuff but this is probably not the place to share them
[02:39:15] Speaker 6
‸ stronger guidelines or something like that to help guide them and
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to be built
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that's I was going to use the hotel as an example too so that's a really good one so the industry is somewhat kind of regulating itself today I would use the hotel and then the other project that we had been talking about with framework group in which they're really embracing the village embracing the waterfront overlay district and they're applying those standards for themselves because they want to be a premier building in the village and to do so you want to look like the rest of the village and fit in so again I think the industry is doing it on its own at this point in time okay
[02:40:08] Speaker 6
well we had that when the Tuitt Bank building was built on their own and we ended up with that so let me ask it this way what could we potentially do as a preventative to not repeat itself with something for example of that building
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Starbucks coming in how can they adapt it so it looks a little bit more villagey I mean they do that with McDonald's they've done it with I believe Starbucks too in other locations
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in
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cities yes in other cities yes
[02:40:50] Speaker 17 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
and they have in regards to Starbucks
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bank that you're talking about
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you're right but we just didn't have any
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but
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limiting it ‸ what I hear you say is you're basically asking in regards just to the village and if we put something in
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and
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that's unless again we you know limit it to
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district and that's
[02:41:29] Speaker 6
well that might be important to look at it that way I think in the downtown area then because most of our historic buildings are located there
[02:41:37] Speaker 2
I hate to get more restrictive I think
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[02:41:42] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
yeah but it didn't work that way with the bank building and that means they have the staff has to have some guidelines to show that this is what you
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that you're talking about and I know they're going to go out of the way but it's not like that with anybody that comes in and wanting to build a project here it's not like that not that willing to work together and that's how that bank got built the people that own that land and wanted to build another SunTrust this is what they wanted to do and they built it they were not swayed in any way
[02:42:16] Speaker 2
is that in the waterfront yeah
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again we can't speak for what happened with staff at the time all we can say is
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I'm just trying to prevent
[02:42:26] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
it and I'm asking if you need more stronger tools to be more simple
[02:42:30] Speaker 17 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
again I think if you're going to be even more restrictive just as
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for developers too
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[02:42:44] Speaker 17 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
you should proceed and like just like the regulating plan there are certain things that we ask them to, but we can't tell them colors or you know facades or there's certain things that they have to have that liberty to be able to build you know
[02:43:05] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
well maybe I just need to go to other cities and get an example of what they use as guidelines for the same subject all right thank you I have no other points I'd like to bring up
[02:43:16] Speaker 4
anybody else have anything they'd like to bring up motion to
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adjourn
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second
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adjourn second by Marilyn all in favor say aye aye motion carries next meeting
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