Tuesday,
September
the 17th, 2024, our second budget
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p.m. location,
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We are going to have our second portion of this. Invocation will be led by Councilwoman Weeks, and the Pledge of Allegiance
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Would everyone, including myself, secure your cell phone pages,
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All right. Will we do invocation, please, ma'am? Yes, ‸ sir.
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Our dear Heavenly Father, we ask you to bless this group this evening, and Lord, give us wisdom
and
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all the decisions we make. Lord, help us to do your will and not ours, and what is best for the city of Cocoa. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen.
Face the flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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city clerk. Let's give her a round of applause, please. ‸ Madam Clerk, will you be kind enough to do roll call, please? Yes, sir.
Mayor Blake.
Present, ma'am.
Deputy Mayor Hearn.
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Here. Councilmember Weeks. Here.
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Here.
City Manager Whitten.
Here.
Okay. So we have a quorum bylaw. It is mandatory that we have budgeting hearings ‸ pertaining to state law to have a balanced budget, state mandate. So we're going to address two issues today. Under public hearing, it will be item number one, which is
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adopting the final millage rate of 6.9532
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for the
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and ending on September the 30th, 2025,
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6.3671. Okay. Seeing that this is a public hearing, Mrs. Bowman. Let me hear from the attorney just in case. Yes. If you don't mind for preliminary reasons. Esquire, Ike, ma'am, do you have anything you would like to say, ma'am? For the first item for tonight on the budget hearing.
Not at this time. Thank you.
Yes, ma'am. Thank you very much. Mrs. Bowman, ma'am.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yes,
ma'am.
As you said, this is the second public hearing to adopt the budget for fiscal year
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I'll be requesting two separate actions. One, to adopt a final millage rate for fiscal year 2025, and then to adopt a final budget for fiscal year 2025. And then, according to state statute, there must be a balanced budget in place by the beginning of the fiscal year, which is October 1st, so that we can continue to operate. However, there are other things that we could do to continue operating, but the
point is to get a balanced budget.
So,
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the first thing, um, that we're going to request that council do is to adopt the fiscal year 2025 final millage rate. Um, as a note, ‸ the tentative millage rate can't exceed the millage rate that was established, um, July 23rd is 6.9532 mills, unless we go back and re advertise and repost the notice of proposed property taxes. Um, of note, the fiscal year 2025 budget was developed with assumptions of ad valorem revenue at 6.9532 mills, with a collection rate of 95% of which the state does require. Uh, ‸ budget at least 95% to support ongoing operational needs. The next step in this hearing will be to adopt the final budget for fiscal year 2025.
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as we get through the two hearings for budget adoption, um, ‸ this chart shows you where the city of cocoa is as far as millage rate. And again, at the 6.9532 mills, we are, uh, established to collect, uh, ‸ gross of 12 million 31,515 dollars.
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General
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That does
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of 6.3761. This tax increase was needed to fund salaries and benefits, mandatory or critical capital equipment to maintain essential services and to absorb inflationary costs. And again,
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the millage rate itself. So at this point in time, Mr. Mayor, this is a public hearing. I would like for you to request a public comment.
Thank you very much. Um,
Mrs.
Bowman, do we have any questions for Mrs. Bowman before I turn it over to the public? Please submit a card, ma'am or sir, so that we
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Okay. Now, if you want to
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light on to right. Okay. Yes, ma'am. All right. Go ahead. Go ahead.
Uh, yeah, I was just going to ask the,
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rate. I looked at that. I've studied that today trying to figure out what is the actual increase in the budget. Of course, maybe this is a question when we get into the budget aspect of this, but over last year.
Yes, ma'am,
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year.
Okay. Okay, and then one other thing, and I think this will be a
budget
question, too.
Okay. So,
I'll wait to ask
that. Yep, and I just realized mine are budget questions as well, so I'll turn my light off for now.
All right. Okay.
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off, please? Okay, I have one card in front of me, and that is, um, Alec Greenwood. It doesn't pertain to item 1, and I'm still allowed to go to the office. It's your prerogative. I'll wait till I don't want to delay the ‸ council. Okay. The other question.
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Oh.
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Please submit two cards.
I will. Thank you.
Thank
you. Uh, good evening, Mayor and Council Persons, Council Members.
So,
I'm a little jumbled up, too, because the agenda didn't lay out the millage and the budget separately, so one of my questions is the same as Councilwoman Koss had about, you know, what's coming. So, anyway, I will go through and ask my questions, um, ‸ but ‸ I think the public is allowed to ask questions, so having the timer on is distracting. I have questions.
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That is not how you did ‸ at the last meeting.
You
allowed the public to ask questions. I asked your
questions.
Thank you.
I am one of the few people here who has prepared a presentation, who has prepared for this meeting, and to deny me the opportunity. I'm not being rude.
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I prepared for this meeting, and I'm already out. I haven't asked a single question just because I'm trying to understand the format of the meeting. So, if you're going to deny me the... I did not prepare my questions in two separate agenda items.
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So, it's confusing to me to try to reorganize them. I will go
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vocal about that, if I'm not able to ask my questions. The first thing I would like to note for the benefit of counsel is, is that at the last meeting, at the trim meeting, it was clarified that once the proposed millage rate is approved at the meeting, the millage rate may be reduced or increased at the subsequent trim public hearings.
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to generate all the paperwork. So, I am making sure that I state that for the record because there are people in this community that are confused about that. And, if I'm confused, I would like that corrected. There are other cities in Brevard that are not going with the millage rate, and there's one additional that was not on the slide, and that is Palm Bay.
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that is Palm Bay.
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Titusville has gone with a lower rate, and then Indian Harbor Beach. None of them have gone with the rolled back rate, but they have gone with a lower rate. This has not been done ‸ in Cocoa in many, many years to do anything besides the millage or a millage increase. I did research on this. I went all the way back.
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Thank you.
I went all the way back to 2007, and what I found was that there were slight decreases. So, in 2007,
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And in 2014, there
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So, they're very slight, but the point that I want to make about the millage ‸ is that these are real hearings, and these costs, these can be adjusted at the hearing. We have precedent in Brevard County, and when I started coming to this meeting, which was exactly three years ago, I came to the final budget hearing,
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want to make sure to clarify that this millage is not baked, and there are people that are not supporting ‸ the plan for the millage, and then I think the council should be considering either the rollback rate, which I did some analysis, which I won't have time to give you on my own taxes. The rollback rate would end up at one point, and an intermediary would keep our taxes flat. So, I don't think there's been enough consideration of that prior to adopting this millage.
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Thank you. Thank
you very much.
Is there anyone else with a comment? Card? Please submit your other card, Mrs.
lorty
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You need two cards because there's two separate issues.
Okay, I have to fill it out, so can I fill it out after, or do you want me to take council time to do that?
No, no, you want to speak on the second one. Make sure you submit your
card. Oh,
I see.
Yes, I will do that. Okay,
thank you.
Anyone else?
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I was not on the council when the, you know, when the rate was determined. And so, I am curious. I mean, in going through the budget, I know technically the millage rate is not going up, but because home prices have gone up, ‸ we will be getting ‸ more money. I get that, and I know
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that high, unless over what it was
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Is that correct? Mrs. Bowman, could you answer a question, please, ma'am?
Can
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Well, because if it's a homesteaded property, it
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Well, if it's a homesteaded property, that's correct.
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increased value, and that's where you get the rollback rate. It takes out that new construction.
Let's just make sure we're clear, because if it's a homesteaded property,
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So it's not, it's not the rate, it's the valuation that is capped under Save Our Homes. So, so valuation is set by the property appraiser, tax rates are set by the taxing authorities, the city councils,
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So, so again, Save Our Homes pertains to the taxable value, the tax, uh,
uh,
the tax valuation of your property. Right.
That's
the cap.
This rate is based on what the taxable value of the home is, correct? I mean, this, the, how do you come up with how much they're, the, each
homeowner's gonna ‸ pay?
Yeah, the
rate, the rate is multiplied by the taxable value of homes. Right,
right.
But again, one doesn't control the other. Again, that's a, the, the, the valuation, and what the property appraiser does in terms of Save ‸ Our Homes is a separate, independent, uh, process from where you set the rate.
Uh, yes, I understand that.
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gone up. So, I mean, they're going to get taxed at the same rate technically. And I know what you're saying about taking out the new home construction. Uh, but do we have any idea new home construction, how much that's going to add in?
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Well, the new home construction value would be, um, included in the gross value
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value of all the homes,
right,
which does include new construction.
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And that's where you're coming up with
the $12 million.
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rate? I'm just throwing it out there.
Yeah. When you, when you, we can give you the new construction valuation. That's a valuation.
That's
either going to be multiplied by the rollback rate, or it's going to be multiplied by some rate in between rollback and the current rate.
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There's, but we can, we can tell you what new construction brings in, in terms of revenue as we throw it against this proposed tax rate. And then we can tell you what you lose. If you, if you, if you go to a rollback rate or something less than the current proposed rate. Um, so, so you do lose revenue. This budget is balanced against that 6.9532. So you would have to make cuts if you want to do something less than that.
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much do it on the fly at this, uh, at this, uh, budget hearing.
Okay.
I just want to, you know, I hate to see tax increases. I mean, I understand inflation. I understand all those things that are, are factored into this. And, and, and I'm sorry to do this at the last minute. Um, but I'm just trying to, uh, be responsible with obviously the people who live in Cocoa, their money, you know, um,
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So again, I just, I just wanted to understand it. And, uh, what would happen if, as far as if we were to decrease it, not go to the rollback rate, but if we decreased it a little bit, but, um, ‸ anyway, I know Lorraine has questions. And so.
Mrs. Bowman, could you tell us what the cost of our fire department annual cost is?
Almost 9 million.
Yeah.
Okay.
And we
only generate $12 million from
the
ad balloon.
Correct.
And what is our cost for our police department
to
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as well?
Police?
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Right.
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reduction, um, for, for one of the all time highs we've had,
um,
a number of employees. Our staff is up to speed with the exception of maybe two vacancies.
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And one of them was for educational purposes, sir. And that's applicable also to our, uh, fire department. So safety is one priority that, um, I know for a fact, a lot of people will compensate. And my thing
as
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we grow, then we can look at the position of doing a rollback. But right now, um,
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we would be doing some severe cutting.
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Right. Thank you very much, sir. So, so it, it, it is to the point of now that we're start
going
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I mean, once we get Amazon, it's
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Oh,
correct. Mr. City manager.
Uh,
have they not received a, what, where are they now? Where's Amazon in reference of that? So we can get them on our
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completely. Yes.
Once
they open up the door, then people come in. Go ahead. Yes, sir. And they,
they are, they're ramping up for an October start. They are not on this fiscal year, not the new Amazon, the old stuff that they built, the building without the, uh, the tangible taxes is on this year. But
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Remember that you have to be in before, uh, January one to be on the next year's, uh, budget. So, uh, police is, is, uh, ‸ 13.8 million is their total budget.
for
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uh,
property taxes, uh, associated with the 6.95 or 12.8 million. And so, and so the point is, and the point has always been is that we don't collect, uh, enough in property taxes to fund that one core service.
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rate has been maintained for the last several years to actually, um, to lend some support to actually funding that core service of government. And then a couple of other points of clarification that the, there are two separate items on the agenda. Uh, state law requires that there ‸ be two separate items on the agenda. And so one a is the adoption of the tax rate. One B is the adoption of the budget and the CIP. Um, Mrs. Bowman did say at the, uh, first public hearing that you actually could reduce the rate if you went through, uh, a re advertisement of that, uh, that, uh, ‸ rate increase, uh, on your own.
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notice, which comes from the property appraiser. And I think she said it again at the beginning of her presentation there.
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um, changing the millage at this particular point in time. And also as a matter of state law, there's
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Uh, okay. And then if I may say something else, um, because of last year,
our
state legislatures were trying to limit the amount of funds we could transfer from the utilities into our general revenue funds.
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will try to, to apply the same thing again, limit the amount of funds we can transfer over from our utilities department to compensate our general fund. That's been the liquid goal. Utilities has been the ‸ backbone of our community and our city. And my concern is to, to ‸ have the economic growth so that we can stop depending on utilities and stop having to have, um, a high millage rate or, or at least I would say a competitive millage rate. I will not say it's high, it's competitive, but also at the same time, as we grow, um, and also we gave $5 million to, uh, Brightline and you only see we generate 12 million. So we almost gave half, but it's, we're looking at the ‸ future, the projection for the city of Cocoa and the growth that's going to be centralized in the North by Northwest corridor area. So,
um,
I, and, and I know for a fact personally where I've spoke and attended multiple events, the citizens stated on both sides of the tracks, um, say Michael, I don't mind paying an increase of rates so long as I have quality safety. And that's the thing I guarantee we guaranteed,
I
think staff guaranteed them for more.
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So that is the reason why I
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councilwoman
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as well.
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agenda items. Does it tell us what order we do them in?
Yes.
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And I'm still not sure if my questions are appropriate now or later. Should I just ask them? Because I really had, I was questioned about what we put out in the newspaper.
That's a requirement.
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I really couldn't answer the questions. The, uh, and I'm, I'm still trying to figure out what the difference is between the actual property tax levy and this year's proposed tax levy. Why is one, you know, 12 million, the other is 11 million. What is it I'm not understanding? Well,
there's the number one, the change in property values, but there's also a valuation adjustment board that goes through where people can contest what their values are. Their taxable values are.
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value adjustment board.
Correct.
But the, so is the difference between the actual property tax levy and this year's proposed tax levy. Is that new construction?
It would be new construction and change in property values.
So it's about 1.5 million in new construction then.
Yes.
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Okay. Yeah. So I've supported the millage rate increase because I feel like we're at, you know, a point, um, we're on the verge of greatness, um, and need that, that lift that elevation. I've gotten a couple of calls this week. And of people that are really negatively impacted. And it's really made me think too about what we have done over ‸ the last five years, six years that I've been here.
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You know, in some five or six years.
And
what, so what that has meant. Well,
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You know, that is easy enough to absorb. For some folks. For other folks, I have a couple of neighbors who are new to the neighborhood, moved in from another state, did not find out until they went to closing that the taxes listed at the property appraisers were not the taxes they were going to be paying. So this has been a really significant hit for those folks.
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And,
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first of all, the county and all the different, you know, the parks and all of those were increased as well. But significant house insurance increase, 2,000 bucks.
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All these things really start to, even for people that you would think could easily absorb it,
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And I hope that we're cognizant of that when we're doing this. Like I said, I've supported this millage rate. I think we're, we're at a point where we're really just kind of, of course, the growth is exploding. And maybe not use that word, but the growth is significant. And, you know, we sit at the edge of this new era where we will be hosting a Brightline station where we will in fact become a destination in and of ourselves. So that's why I've supported it.
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And I'm certainly leery going forward
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you know, over the last five years. Um, it's not that easy for the average bear to see where those differences are in their life and their quality of life and
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Um, and that was the other thing I was trying to figure out was the difference between this budget and last year's budget. Um, I know that the, the rate adjustment was 9.5 or percent, but our budget is actually about what
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Well,
I must be looking at different numbers then.
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must not be looking at the numbers you're looking at.
Um, it's largely due to insurance increases, salary increases, capital needs.
Mm hmm.
And you know, definitely chemicals. It can vary with the Interfund transfers from the utility fund from one year to the next. There's a lot of variables that are involved in that number.
Mm hmm. Okay. And when we say that they're like on the budget summary that was in the paper as well, it says there, the operating budget expenditures are 2.4% more than last year's total operating expenditures.
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from capital and Interfund transfers. You should have something on there that says other non
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We have debt built into the budget this year. Mm hmm. That was over $2 million.
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So that was half a million. What about the, what about the property insurance increase?
‸ Property insurance was over ‸ half a million, wasn't it? Yeah.
So those, those two, those are both operating expenditures. Those are, those are a million dollars combined. They're just in those two categories there. Remember, you have a new parks, uh, agreement that requires us to fund, uh, some capital expenses and then the property, uh, insurance has gone up by half a million. So, so parks and, and, and, uh, property insurance make up a million dollars. Again, another reason to maintain the, uh, property tax rate.
And then in the previous
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we kind of went over some of those things that caused the change in, um, uh, cost.
Mm hmm.
‸ Budget.
Okay. Well, I know that, uh, we're presented, you know, with a budget. We don't really, when the presentations are made, there aren't really options. Can go with this budget or that budget. It's basically, these are the needs. And when I talk with members of the public, and that's who I'm responsible to, they remind me that they're under other pressures too. Increased insurance, ‸ you know,
um,
you name it. And,
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into COCO. Um, lesser so are my retired constituents who have maybe been here longer, but who still have, have less of a margin. So, gotta be conscious of that. And I've
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be able to say to them, yeah, we're tightening up here. We're really looking at this. And hopefully that's reflected in our workshops and
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presented.
Um,
I'm still gonna ‸ support this, uh, because again, I feel like we are, you know, on the verge of, of really stepping into a new era. And we need this foundation.
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you know, go along because, um, obviously I'm new and over the next year, obviously I will learn more about this, but it was, you know, brought to my attention, uh, as well that, um, ‸ people are hurting out there. Um, and,
um, and,
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any increase is, is difficult. And, um, so I will say at this point, I, I won't, uh, ask for a, a decrease on this, but, uh, there've been so many increases over the last few years that,
um,
we really have to look at that, uh, for the future. So at this point I will just. Let it, let it sit for this.
Yes, ma'am. On that note, then chair would like to make
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Mr. Mayor, if I could just go ahead and make the public announcement that I'm required
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Um, I would like to announce that the city of
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that the rollback rate is 6.3761 that the millage rate of 6.9532
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the rollback rate that was advertised in the ad that councilwoman
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is referring to. That the millage rate to be level
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adopted millage rate of 6.9532. So at this time, the requested action, uh, from city council
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the 1st 2024 and ending on september the 30th 2025 which is 9.05 percent
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And
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looking for a second.
Second.
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Aye. Aye.
Aye. Any nays?
Ayes have it
unanimously.
The second part to this will be approval of the resolution.
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October the 1st, 2024, ending on September the 30th, 2025.
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this is the second portion of the budget hearing. um In this section, you'll be adopting the final budget for fiscal year 2025. so as i stated the total budget for the fiscal year is
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this chart, the largest portion of the budget is the utility fund, which has large capital needs and um a lot of staffing and capital.
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followed by various other funds that we have. The water and sewer sewer renewal and replacement fund is to uh segregate large capital projects for the utility fund. The restricted assets fund is essentially the debt service fund for the
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funds. uh total 3.8 million uh the impact fee fund uh we're projected to collect about 2.4 million dollars followed by storm water at 2.3 the debt service fund which is a governmental fund at 1.5 million dollars and then the workers comp fund at 1.3 million dollars so looking at general fund um we have to report ‸ certain categories of our revenue. So our revenue is made up of taxes, other permits and fees, intergovernmental revenue, charges for services, fines and forfeitures, miscellaneous. And then the other non-revenue that I referred to previously, which is interfund transfers such as the water and sewer utility fund return on
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And then anything that we take from um unassigned fund balance and then also debt proceeds. So looking at the revenue by funding source, um you'll note that uh the highest revenue source is the non-revenues which is those utility fund transfers plus the debt totaling about 20.7 million dollars followed by total taxes, which is not just avalorum, but it's also anything else that the city council can enact per state statute is as a tax uh
totals
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about 15.9 million dollars we have charges for services at 7.9 million dollars other permits and fees um for a total of 5.7 million dollars and then the intergovernmental which is state shared revenue is about 3 million dollars and then miscellaneous um we budgeted 1.1 million
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to a
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So in this slide we take a look at the uh adopted budget and the change in the budget from year ‸ to year
um
uh by department so as we discussed you can see the fiscal year budget for police is about 13.9 million dollars
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14. um
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is due to salary increases and and the benefits related
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capital needs for the um department
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a fire truck being budgeted General operations is where your insurances are. And then the other departments, you can see there were increases for the most part, um slight increases again. Most of that was due to salary increases, uh
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but still experiencing inflationary um increases. And then the
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in the prior year and wasn't needed in the current year. Well,
can you go back to that? So you can see on the, the this chart really highlights that the the major increases, the variances are occurring in the core services of ‸ government, police, public works and fire. So that's what's, um and then the general operations, which was includes what, what did you say?
‸ insurance The
insurance is there. um and so you can see the, the big expenditures,
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uh is associated with increases in core, core government services. ‸ And
I, I would add that when I say insurances,
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the liability, the, um property insurance, all those other kind of insurance is not health insurance, health insurance is budgeted in all the departments. Okay. So then looking at the water and sewer budget, um again, we are required to put the revenue in certain categories. So the biggest, um uh revenue source is charges for services, which is various services that the utility fund charges for. It's about 80 million,
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uh non-revenue, which is, um some of that he was pulling from that position to fund projects 5.4 million dollars so the total budget for
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Looking at the utility fund by department or by divisions, it's broken out into different divisions based on what their work function is. the
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Water production went up 863 000 That's probably largely due to chemicals, uh chemical pricing, uh water field operations went ‸ down, uh most likely due to some capital needs um
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needs um and
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That's again due to, um capital projects that, um swings from, from one year to the next, uh based on their five and
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year capital plan. So the utility fund had
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budget. um in the stormwater fund uh we uh collect that revenue through a special assessment that's about 2.2 million
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pay their taxes on time. So there's some other miscellaneous revenue due to people paying their taxes eventually um
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And then breaking out the stormwater fund because it's essentially one division. So we broke this out by, uh the different, uh um categories. So
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dollars. um so they have a total increase
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two hundred seventy six dollars. So at this time, this is a public hearing. Mr. Mayor, I'll turn it back over to you to hear public comment.
okay if you have a car please submit your card so you can um have the opportunity to speak
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Councilman, excuse me, former Councilman Greenwood, is this where you want to speak at
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as well? you know At the same time, I'm going to wait until ‸ next meeting. Okay. We can wait, so
Thank you.
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process tonight. um i I did come prepared. I'm the only person who spoke under the millage. At Titusville, I spoke last week. They allowed the public to speak for both the three minutes for both sections, millage and budget, and they answered questions at the end. So I just really think that in my home city, it's pretty disturbing that.
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now. Yeah.
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now you just interrupted me. so just Go
ahead, ma'am.
The millage and the budget go together. So the discussions could have happened both. They should go together. coco has
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additional above the rollback rate. There is, on the notice to miss Costa's point, on this um on this ‸ tax increase, the difference between
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so there is more in here and this may be the construction, but it is confusing to people who take the time to look at it to understand the dollars. there's a 95 page budget document on the website. That
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revealing. It's a line item. it I've been studying the commission. I've studied Titusville. They both provide more information on their websites um with their budget documentation, and it was very hard to understand. it As a concerned citizen, I want easy access to information, and
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has some things that do help with easy access, but
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The county allows you
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departmental breakdown, and year year over year. So, I
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better informed citizens so that it doesn't take as much research to get informed. On
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salary increases from what i heard on a
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coco has
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that we're having to charge extra in order to keep the millage rate the same, but it is an increase. I'm not supportive of this process. I don't get to tell every you all about it because my time is being curtailed at this beanie. But this process is not robust citizen feedback. I'm glad that you did do something, but this is 579 000 and we had four options of what to pick out of the preordained items on this. That's a huge amount of spending. We have enough to spend
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million
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on a train station allocation, and yet we do not have adequate citizen input.
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um It's it's disturbing to see what's happening, and I took all day to prepare for this, and now I can't even get my questions answered.
okay
go ahead
I would like to know what the percentage of the water increases this year. Is it
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that the water bills are going to go up?
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Thank you.
Yes, sir. Okay.
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the
coco
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budget?
Yes, there is.
And is there a reason why
coco
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is asking for more than um Titusville or the county? what Or has included more than? What's the primary reason for the higher salaries?
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30 more seconds, ma'am.
Because of the questions,
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I think that the city should be doing a version of a rollback rate version of what the budget looks like, which has been mentioned, and should be doing an intermediary version. And I support the council women who were talking about that. Councilman Hearn at the last meeting, he sounded like he was saying something like that, but I couldn't hear it on the microphone because he was off mic, but he was interested too. Citizens want options, and we want to know that you guys are processing options and not just being pressured to approve a millage and a budget.
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Sure, that closes portion
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the public and return ‸ to the council. uh we'll proceed in this order.
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I was going to say, today well I just wanted to ask um miss Lordy, last year we had a narrative that I found helpful. that
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don't know if you recall that, but it kind of gave it it kind of drove, rather than looking at a bunch of numbers, it gave you a little bit of context and ‸ narrative. um It was like a four or five page document, but um I felt like it gave the whole thing more backbone, you know because you
I
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Do you
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that... i I'm not sure to recall that, but I do know that the county manager did do something this year. He did a 10-page overview of his budget, and then each department had a narrative of, here's our accomplishments for this year, here's what we did, here's what's in the budget. And so
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that gives you more on that side, and
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You can see how many people are in each department. You can tell year over year how those budgets have grown, so they have more data. But that's helpful data.
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and some breakdowns and departments, but you can't learn anything from that.
Okay, thank you. Thank you. Yeah.
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but um the other issue is salary increases. I believe we've had salary increases each year I've been here, I'm i'm pretty sure. um I think they've
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we talked about this some in the workshop, but honestly, to retain the staff, there was a lot of, part when that suggested, there is pressure there, even though I note that in my own household we had no
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years. So it's not that common anymore um to have those kind of increases. And um I think the one thing I look for when we do look to increase the budget, increase the taxes, again, is that we as an organization show where we're tightening up, you know, how we're trying to tighten up. And, um anyway, that, that's what I'm looking for as well.
Thank you. ‸ let me say something, please.
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Thank you. um Palm Bay's budget is different from ours. Let's be honest.
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Titusville budget is different from ours. And there's something that's being, um taking place in this in the state of Florida, where several of our employees have left the city of Cocoa and went to Palm Bay because of
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wages. So how can we compete? Then if we don't have them, then we have to go to the private sector, which we're going to have to pay even at a greater rate. So how can we compete with others and when we're not in the ball game And that's part of my initiative as the state president to address this concern as a statewide effect because all municipalities are experiencing this, even on the county level. um
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that they've been here for a multitude of years, acquired their trainings here at the city of Cocoa or
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dollar. That is the reason why we're trying now to invest in our youth so that we can capture them then and there and give them the opportunity to have a safe and secure future in the city of Cocoa where they actually grew up or where they were reared as a child and obtained their quality education. And that's with any business personnel that they're taking our personnel because we do not have that competitive bid or that competitive wage to keep that quality personnel. ‸ They're going to the private sector. So we have to be creative. And at the same time, state legislatures are tying our hands together
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So now we have to be creative as a municipality. And unfortunately, you can look at House Bill
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have between now until the end of time. And it's not going anywhere. It's an unfunded mandate. So,
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shots.
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the walk and talking the talk, then then you will comprehend. But until then, how can you, you know, not have a heart and understand? That's all I'm saying. Have an understanding heart. Wisdom is the principle thing. But when getting wisdom, get understanding. So how do we deal with this
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when we pass a trim increase, it affects us too behind
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looking, I'm on a structured income. I'm retired. I don't have a limited social security and a pension plan. That's it. So I get it. I'm feeling the same pain like everyone else. But I do, like everyone else behind it, do love our city. And do love our staff. And do love the people that we represent. And when they see you out in the midst of the community, they understand. But until you walk in our shoes, you won't understand. it's The floor is yours, Mrs. Weeks. And I think
um I wanted to bring up, which I could not find in the budget, um exactly. I know that uh
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having to spend on parks, but the splash pad was done away with. What happened with that extra money? um And uh was that absorbed
back in, or where did that go?
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with those dollars. Those dollars are mostly ARPA dollars and fund balances.
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they're They're not in the budget that you're going to adopt.
‸ When
you don't spend money, but you want to spend it in the next year, you re-budget it by rolling it over. Okay. And that's an agenda item that goes back to council. And right now, council hasn't made a decision what to do, so it's sitting there.
So fund balances are dollars unspent from the previous year that rolls over to the to the next fiscal year. Okay. the And so and
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whatever it is, would still be there. I
see what you're saying. Okay. So then the council has to decide what to do with that money. uh It's sitting there to be used at a park or only at Juni Rios Park. Can it be used? uh
To
be used towards the bright line investment? Well,
it
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it was dedicated to the to the Juni Rios Park there. During the budget workshops, uh you all agreed to allow ‸ staff to survey the citizens. And so I think we're completing those surveys. Those surveys have been out there for quite some time to ask the public, what would
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would you like to see at a provost there? And so
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to
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so But it also could be used, say, for the conservation area as well, if we wanted to do something there
too
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It could be whatever the council decides. Yes, ma'am.
But that money's still sitting there in rollover state. So
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and
recurring revenue to pay for um recurring costs.
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a one-time cost.
Gotcha. um
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weren't perhaps spent that are also in rollover state. Do we get a breakdown about everything that's in rollover? That'll
be an agenda item that'll come to council in November.
Okay. Yeah. And and council in one weeks that'll be a part of ‸ the meetings we're having this ‸ On Monday. Okay.
Okay. Again, I just want to understand and and get that. So thank you. I appreciate that.
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private sector. We're competing against all of the cities. And all of the cities have uh have uh taken staff away from us because they're able to offer higher wages there. ‸ and so, and so, and so, you know, in every department we can, we can give you examples of folks that have either gone to the private sector or gone to other cities for, for the, uh higher wages there. And so that's why we put out, uh before
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pay increase. Remember those, those scenarios, if you will, to accept or not comes to you and during the budget workshops, um our, our budget development, the county's budget development actually looks like their final budget. They have a very robust, uh budget development software. They have
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point something billion dollars to do that under they have a 2.0 billion dollar budget and i forget what the size of their budget staff is.
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dedicated to
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one person, 100 of the time dedicated to budget. And then we have the assistant finance director and we have the finance director. And so our budget is not going to be as robust, ‸ as a, as the county that has, I forget how many budget analysts,
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‸ county, because this is the lawful process that's prescribed by Florida statutes and
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This process can be no different. If you were to talk about the tax rate and the budget together, you would we you would receive a non-compliance notification from the trim office there. And that's never fun. That may cause you to have to redo the process all over again. And so so it's a matter of state law that the process is the way that it is. Again, in terms of the budget, property insurance increase, parks increase,
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the pay raises as health insurance There is uh other insurance that increases in this budget there. And so it's all accounted for some big
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couldn't actually get to the big capital purchases, we're actually financing those.
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uh Again, as we always illustrate, you collect 12.8 million in property taxes and the and the police department's budget is uh 13.4 Of
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uh approximately 22 million, maybe even more, comes from water in one way or another. ‸ and so And so if you put all of your property taxes together, all of your state uh revenue together,
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without relying on the return on investment from the water system. um And so it's a budget that uh uh is a very difficult budget, simply because there's not enough taxable valuation in the city to actually fund, again, just the core services of government. um And and and and there's no way to set a rate to assure that everybody doesn't experience a tax increase. um And so we're cognizant of that.
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um have a taxable value of
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of the folks in the city aren't really experiencing uh a tax increase the way the other half are. And so that's what's unique about the city of uh
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is that we have an extensive amount of properties that really don't have a large taxable value. ‸ We rely on uh the return on investment from uh utilities to fund, again, just simple core services of government.
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Weeks. um The funds that roll over, we should know, we usually get that in March, February or March,
that we
know what dollars are left over from this budget that we're currently in.
In November, according to state statute, we need to clean up our budget, so that will definitely come to Council. I have a new person doing the budget who does the budget full time. So the rollover money may be December or January before Council
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to this particular item,
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your spilling, but I'm just saying, make preparations. Go ahead, ma'am. The floor is yours. Thank
you, Mr. Mayor. So the requested action to adopt the tentative. That should say adopted, to adopt the fiscal year 2025 budget is to approve resolution
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adopting the
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commencing October 1st, 2024. And ending on September 30th, 2025. Council has requested to vote on this action.
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for her? Saying no word of the wishes of Council.
I know. We're waiting for the voice ‸ of ‸ Council?
You all don't want to make that motion?
‸ Motion
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don't know why
But
okay. All right. Thank you. uh
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yeah, he can have it.
Okay. uh The motion was made by Deputy Mayor Herms. And a
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I wasn't sure.
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unanimously. Thank you very much, gentlemen. uh
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hashtag 24-131 to increase project contingency funding in the amount of 420 000
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you, Mr. Deputy Mayor. Approve a
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to
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City Manager to approve and issue construction
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related to the project. The new construction contingency amount
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you, Mayor. During the construction of the stormwater ‸ system on North Fisk Boulevard, a conflict between the stormwater pipe and existing sewer laterals
was identified. The age and material of the original sewer main in this area restricts the reconnection of existing laterals as called for in the plans. The most cost effective solution is to install a new sewer main along this section of North Fisk Boulevard. Staff recommends adding 420,000 to the project contingency construction account.
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So moved. Looking for a second.
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we did not have delegations, we need to have public comment on this before final action. Thank you.
Yes, ma'am. Thank you very much. I mean, it's something we got to get done. It's a pair to that we do, because they deserve that. They've earned that. And uh we do acquire some of the federal funding as well. uh Councilman Goins, and then I'll um hear from the ladies as well. And then I'll turn it over to the public. Councilman Goins, ‸ Yes,
sir. Yes, sir. uh Further, I ‸ I'll apologize out being on the phone. um I'm visiting a friend in the hospital in Orlando. and uh
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do this ever again. um uh But but i I will... i will um i
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sometimes when you're digging.
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and I understand that. um But
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I do know that there is a process to construction, but a lot of people don't understand what's going on. And so I really want us to get more information about the delays that we're having, why they're having it, um and also with something about uh an increase of of funding that we have to provide and the reason why. um
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from people that don't normally pay attention to what we do. um But they are they're they're feeling it every day, um especially coming from, as city managers ‸ aware of, several businesses that have been calling and requesting meetings. um I just think we need to be... um ‸ not saying we haven't been transparent, but I think we need to be more transparent about the process, where we are and where we're going. to Start... Well, I mean, the ‸ the like the uh finish date, um all those different things. I just
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same calls, um but i but I do believe that we need to get more information um to the community about where we are with that project. Okay.
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know if we have a... Do we have a dedicated page to this project? We
do.
Yeah, so we we do have a dedicated page to this project there. We've been pushing out the information. This is always going to be a difficult project because it is 50, 60 years in the making. And so, um you know, we we we've had um one, two, maybe three businesses that were were challenged by a certain road or certain access being blocked off there. We've worked with them.
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we'll have lessons learned from from um from this and and uh in terms of our public uh information, but we do have a dedicated uh web page. We are nearing ‸ the end of this project. And so
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we are weeks away, months?
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However, uh they're
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they're almost, they're at the last quarter.
In terms of, in terms of roads being blocked?
Yeah. oh the road being blocked.
Yeah.
Yeah, that should be open in two weeks.
Yeah.
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People have access to the normal routes there. Again, uh this was an extensive project. Remember, this is uh uh it's a, it's a, it's
a
storm water project. It's a, it's a drainage project.
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Some, some sewer uh upgrades uh included in there. Some utility upgrades included in there. So this is a, this is a massive project for um an area that uh is a not new construction there. And so, but again, uh ‸ we'll, we'll, we'll um go over the lessons learned and we'll, we'll obviously uh attempt to get better at public information. But again, we do have um a source for people to go to, to get updated on the project.
Okay. um ‸ I think that's a great thing. um but I just, I want to, that that's how we, we view it, but you have people, uh in that particular community that may not have access, um that don't even know how to move around, um to find where that
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‸ make an excuse for them to get the information. But, um I think ‸ like what we had before,
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when he's doing a major, um part of the project to go door to door to pass out flyers. Right. because so many people, they're working 16 hours. They come home. They get woke up
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you know, um by a bobcat or whatever. It's just those normal day-to-day people that may not be able to even research that.
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they stuck on Facebook. They're not even
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know. So just just trying to be creative, whatever that means, um to get them information the best way we can. so But i I appreciate you giving that information. Yeah,
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Councilman
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I think we've done other stuff other than the web page there. And so so we do the
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there.
We did our feature story in the last FYI was mailed to every household in the entire city.
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the business spotlight was on the businesses that were um affected by the closure as well in that last FYI. And
we'll take the constructive criticism and look for ways to actually, when we're doing projects of this magnitude, to actually do things differently ‸ better, uh do more of those things. um it Contractors probably aren't good going door to door and so And so,
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with regards to uh to uh the constructive comments. And so we'll we'll look for ways to get better and to prove to improve and to do more.
Okay. okay
that it?
Yes, sir. Thank
you, sir. And
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And then I'll turn it over to the public.
Yeah, we just say um that I support
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a little more personal um and individualized there. um I mean, it used to be you would have a communications officer or someone that would walk the door to door In fact, that was one of my first jobs um during the uh septic to sewer projects.
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could be personalized, would be great. But um
um
it might really be worth it to have somebody just walk door to door for a couple of days. And the other, I wanted to ask the question, the agenda item states that the age and specific construction of the original sewer main in the area prohibits the reconnection. Can I ask what what is the ‸ age and construction of that sewer main? okay
That area,
that area
there used to be an old landing strip you're from old
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That used to be a military base. You can look at the homes there. So I'm just letting you know that's why they're saying old to you, ma'am. That was a runway. That's why we have the National Guard armory there too
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know where the laterals are, but yeah.
It's it's old and antiquated, but also too, ma'am, a lot of that
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It's not on the schematics. You find it as you explore, do exploratory research.
When it's materials that you don't use in today's construction. And so, and so, so it's, it's, it's you unknown stuff in the ground and that unknown stuff is stuff that you don't use anymore. So, so that's part of, of the big deal with regards to this. Obviously. ‸ Yeah. And then Jackson engineering stuff with elevations and, and, and, and having to modify the elevations to, to accommodate the, the, uh the new installs.
and so it looks like this project is going to be 7.8 million end up at that Yeah.
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I think. Okay. Thank you.
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the 7.8 and that's a huge cost overrun And, um is all of that simply because of the, uh the connection? I mean, not
this particular one. We we've had, we've had cost ‸ escalation. We've had some other change orders. there
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approximately
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million or so comes from the federal government from FEMA.
And
so, so we got
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million from FEMA. um I forget what Jack's portion. I always say Jack's
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so 1.8 from utilities but it's it's been things that have been uncovered as we've as we've gone along. Again, this is old construction, and so and so you know Jack doesn't want to ‸ guess, uh but but I'll guess that this ‸ this this uh these are homes
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Well, and I and i get that. i it's just um It just seems like a huge cost overrun, um and was it not bid correctly in the beginning? And um
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lowest bidder was was chosen, but in the long run, they are not the lowest ‸ by the time you get to all of this. yeah
And i I don't know
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the
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They were the sole bidders twice, because we rebid twice.
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there. and so And so we had one bidder. We had to go back to FEMA to ask that they fund the increase, and fortunately, they did. We've moved money from projects that we had, uh other capital projects there, and so this was a big project. um And again, the the the cost overruns have been significant.
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contingency that was established, or or how far outside of the contingency are we?
This budget adjustment is increasing the uh contingency amount. Okay. So there are some change orders pending that will go in tomorrow, and then they are asking for additional contingency to try and complete the project. ‸ Because there's been so many unknown and unexpected things. Okay.
Thank you.
Okay. Thank you. Just want to understand how ‸ this whole thing worked.
Yes, ma'am.
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when getting wisdom, get understanding. You're absolutely right. Okay. I would like to close this portion to council, open it to the public. I have one card. If you would like to say something, please submit your card. uh Triple G, would you come forward, please? uh Yeah, I know
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Just a a couple of quick comments. uh One, uh
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I know TPO has been talking about uh that particular project area is uh uh so lingual, maybe not bilingual. You have a lot of Spanish-speaking people so we may be facing something similar over on the TPO side but for this project we have a website. I'm sure we're updating it or put notices out or something. I'm a simple guy. Give me a couple signs kind of like what
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like a you know fisk Fisk Boulevard update with a QR code. Take you right to the web page and, you know, almost everybody has one of these and wouldn't be a lot of money
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be too much work. Just a suggestion. Good idea.
Good
idea.
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What are the wishes of council? I
move to approve. We
have a motion on
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a
Second.
Okay.
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‸ one from here. All right.
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concludes this portion of
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beautiful downtown 65th stone street chair entertains a motion to adjourn
move to adjourn
we have a motion on the floor by councilwoman
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Friday.