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Madam Clerk, may we have a roll call, please, ma'am?
Yes, sir. Mayor
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Council Member Hearn. Here. Council Member Koss. Here.
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Here. And City Manager Whitten. Here. Thank you.
Thank you very much. Proceeding on to item number 2-1, regular meeting
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a motion on the public hearing that we slide the
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up to number 1 and everything will slide down. So ordinance number 1 will become number 2, resolution of 2021 will become number 3, and so forth. Motion to approve. We have a motion on the floor by
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We need to remove item 7-1
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Okay. Yes, ma'am. Thank you very much. Also, we'd like to amend, if you don't mind, to remove item number 7-1. That's that item pertaining to the request of approval of Council appointments to the City District Team Commission. Motion to approve with changes. Okay. We have a motion on
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favor by saying aye. Aye. Any nays? Ayes have it unanimously. Okay. Proceeding on to the
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of applause, please. Thank
you. Okay. Okay.
Ms. Clifton, ma'am. The floor is yours, ma'am.
Thank you.
Yes.
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like the individual
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may be on the call, so we may have a call right now. But he was scheduled to
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Okay.
So if you don't mind standing in for him, we would be honored to present it to you and you can pass it on to him. For those of you present that are not aware, the Brevard Humane Society was created in 1952 to serve the animal population. It was started
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the circuit court judge, and all of the businesses in that time, which were orange groves, lumber mills, and real estate people.
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going on our 70th year, has been very grateful for the support of the community, and in particular, those who value animals' lives. And every year, we have our Tuxes and Tails
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participation in a program called Top Dog. And for those of you that aren't familiar, it was a program where officers and their canine companions work together. And if you have never seen it, it is quite a phenomenal thing. It just shows you one more way that animals enhance the lives of humans as companions. They hear for us. They see for us. They ‸ walk before us when we're in war time, sniffing out bombs. They are drug dogs. ‸ They're there for us. They know if we have epileptic seizures. I could go on and I won't. I'll just focus mainly on Canine Bear and Officer Rhodes. And their presentation was exceptional and phenomenal. And we were very
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Now,
congrats everyone. Thank you. Thank you.
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So if you haven't figured it out yet, this is Officer Dan Rhodes and Canine Bear. And they won the show Top Dog. And it is based on how attentive and communicative the animal and the human are to each other. And lives do depend on it. And he puts his life on the line as a canine just as much as the officer companion. So we are really very proud and very honored to recognize this. I mean, so we have this plaque. It's a Humane Hero Animal Friend Award presented to Canine Bear and Officer Rhodes. Excuse me. In recognition of achieving Top Dog Award, which highlights the human-animal bond in its finest.
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was a wreck on 95. That's why I was late. So I apologize. You're here? Yes, sir. Thank you
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Thank you.
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and Council with our, I have my, some of my board of directors here with me. If that's okay with you, can we do that?
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I know you all have very important business coming up. And I apologize for the delay, but maybe this will spin a nice calming to the mood.
And needless to say, everyone knows if you
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I just want to make sure I see you
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I regret it.
Thank
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Alright.
Alright. Alright. Cheese!
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And if I may, so that I don't have to come back for announcements, I'll just do that now.
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of Assisi feast day. And we believe animals are part of our family and we respect their lives. So we celebrate their lives October 4th every year. We invite everyone to come. It is just a community feel good. You can bring your gerbil or your cat or dog or your horse or whatever you would like to bring.
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we will have a blessing with the Padre. And everyone will get a blessing that comes and we have a little keepsakes to take with you. So we hope everyone will look at their pet and see them as part of their family.
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very much.
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Yes, they do. Amen.
Thank you, Mayor.
Yes, ma'am. Thank
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Matter of fact, I have two proclamations. If I may, let's read this. You can sit down and relax. Yes, ma'am. Whereas the Space
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a resolution, Get Vaccinated, a new local campaign ‸ boost the vaccination rates from COVID-19. Whereas the Foundation understands and respects that getting vaccinated for COVID-19 is a personal decision involving an individual's family and physician. We also believe medical and hospital data show that COVID-19 vaccinations mitigate the worst symptoms of the virus and will ease the pressure on the hospitals and medical personnel and
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the Space Coast to a sense of normalcy. Whereas we strongly believe this is a community issue, not a political issue. And we as a community can solve this.
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Therefore, I'm asking everyone to raise your right hand.
Hi,
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Michael C. Black and the beautiful
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city of Cocoa, do hereby support Space Coast Health Foundation. Get vaccinated here on a fix-it date the 28th of September 2021.
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So I thank you.
You
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Moving on to item number three.
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And it's the growing object right now. I'm part of the executive board with Florida Municipal Insurance Trust. And cyberspace hacking is number one in all insurance personnel right about now. It's a growing trend from software. And this is a long proclamation. So I'm going
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that we learn more about cybersecurity and to put that knowledge into practice in their homes, schools, workplaces, and business. I, Michael C. Blake, on behalf
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cybersecurity awareness month 2021. ‸ Let's give ourselves a round of applause, please.
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mindful delegations is 30 minutes long. And I have a multitude of cards. And we're going to proceed in decent and in order. So when you come forward, please state your name and your address for me, please, ma'am, please, sir. And you have 180 seconds to elaborate under delegations. First is John Nyland. Would you please come forward, please, John Nyland.
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Mr.
Flooride,
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where you at, John? Oh, Mr.
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Next will be Lieutenant Paul Camus.
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Come on, brother. ‸ Yes, come on, sir.
Thank you.
Go ahead, sir.
Paul Camus, [address] In front of you, front page is a photo. It's looking from Forest Avenue at Olive Street heading west. And as you proceed west, if you'll flip to the next page, you'll see a photo of a tree beauty contest sign that said, Winner. So, I live across from that sign, and there's more traffic through there.
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I've seen you guys out picking up litter. I do the same thing. And where I really enjoy doing it at, it's strange, is right there at US 1, if you flip the next page, you'll see a photo of looking to the north.
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You see a patch of land to your right will be Bay.
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Lane, I began walking in there, picking up the trash. February 14, 2017, 18, no trespassing sign went up. About a month later, I obtained a permit to allow me to go onto that property to continue to pick up the litter. I enjoy doing it, but as of right now,
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I know it's delegation, I don't want you to delegate this to anybody, but if there's someone within range of my voice can hear, that needs to be mowed. Because I bet like you, I'd much rather pick up a big piece of litter than multiple little pieces that were run over by a mower. That's all I got. Thank you. God bless.
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the audience? Is he in the foyer area,
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not in the lobby?
I didn't see him.
You didn't see him? Okay. Thank you very much. All right, this concludes this portion. I think this is all my cards for delegation. Is there anyone with delegation cards? Okay. Saying any more chair, we'd like to move on to the consent agenda item.
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We have a motion
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All in favor, thank you, sir. By saying aye. Aye. Any names? Eyes high. Now we're moving on to public hearing. The moment everyone has been waiting for. Amen. So I know you hear it. You hear it too. Be heard.
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And we have something like 15 cards in front of me. And what I would like to know is this. If someone is conveying your thought just because of
the
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time and you feel comfortable with it, you can. If you want to add a card, please feel free to bring me your card. Okay. Here's the item. Approve a settlement implementation. An argument between the Beachline Partners, LLC, and the City of Coco to approve the conceptual plans of an amenity scheduled construction timeline for a residential subdivision. Consistent with the PUD zoning on the following property commonly known
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a settlement agreement made, entered December
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And we're going to address the concerns ranging from density to traffic.
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And
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I promise you, it won't come from this side either. So this door is going to swing both ways. But what I'm asking, let's do things decent and in order. We're going to address density, traffic, also proper notification, also the people that were affected within 500 feet of this agreement that was already established between the county prior to tonight. So
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like to turn this over to Mrs. Noodle Man, but be mindful we're talking about two units per acre. Okay. Also in reference of the density. So you can go from a half an acre to a third minimum of four. I know we're talking about access roads. Let me get it right. Friday road. Also James road. We're talking about the point of interest. I know there are a 418 potential homes that could go in there. And
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to three cars. And I get it. I get it. Trust me. I get it. But all I'm asking, ‸ just listen to the facts. The actual facts. Please ma'am. Please sir. And also there is a concern about the infrastructure. Sewer lines. Traditionally we're talking about eight inches, potentially up to 12 inches. And
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line that may be on, and it's still optional, that may have septic tank. Okay, Mrs. Newland. The floor is yours.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yes, ma'am. So as you indicated, the subject property is approximately 210 or 212 acres at
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was part of
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The property is subject to the preceding development
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In addition, this property is also subject to a
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Cocoa.
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book in Brevard County. The stipulated settlement agreement emanated from several lawsuits filed against the City when the property was annexed, and the City prevailed in those lawsuits, including the annexation
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the county agreed not to appeal the case with the Florida Supreme Court. So the developer has purchased the property and seeks to construct a low-density residential subdivision of approximately 418 units on the property that is consistent with the terms and conditions of the preceding development agreement and the
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and as more specifically required by this stipulated settlement implementation ‸ agreement. The project will entail approximately 418 single-family residential lots with a
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and an average living under air of 1,800 square feet. All streets will be developed to be owned and maintained by the developers. The project will include the creation of private recreational common areas, green space, and amenities. The in compliance with the City's comprehensive plan, the developer agrees to seek a City zoning designation for the property of PUD planned unit development, which is consistent with the very low-density residential future land use map designation. As you talked about earlier with the ingress and egress points, pursuant to the stipulated settlement agreement, the project shall have two public road access points, and the developer acknowledges that the stipulated settlement agreement requires a developer to coordinate with Brevard County certain transportation improvements at Friday Road and James Road. The developer agrees to discuss and coordinate those set improvements with the county in conjunction with the developer's application for final plan approval. The project shall be substantially developed in accordance with the preliminary site plan attached to the agreement, and the preliminary site plan is intended to be the general blueprint which details key aspects of the future physical development of the property. As you indicated earlier, Mr. Mayor, the density of the property according to the site plan that we have received is two units per acre, which is a half acre per house per unit, and with a minimum lot size of 50 by 120.
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acre subdivision. There's
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Friday Road, and the residential units within the subdivision to provide a buffer as was noted in the ‸ original agreement,
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that a
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James Road and Friday Road and the development.
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There are amenities, there's a dog park, there's a walking trail, and they've also done some wetland mitigation to improve that area and ‸ also some stormwater retention areas.
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And additional revisions to this agreement will be necessary as and may be required. And in the event that additional technical work needs to be completed, we are asking that council grant the city manager and the city attorney to work with the developer to make those changes with this stipulated implementation agreement in order to get to the final agreement for approval. ‸ Any questions, Mr. Mayor?
Do we have any questions for our business? I do. Okay, hold
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I'm going
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Rest assured that's why we submitted cards. ‸ Thank you.
And Mr. Mayor, the developer is present. Would
he like to come forward and expound them? I think he's in the lobby.
There we are.
Okay, yeah, right.
They're walking in right now. Now,
come on now.
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we can disagree.
We
agree to disagree.
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So, I'm here for any technical questions that you may have or any other questions that we could help you out with. But basically, the staff report, we've been working with the city over the past five months or so, four or five months, to get through the stipulated agreement and developing the conceptual plan that matches as closely as possible the original or matches the original court ordered settlement agreement.
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I don't have anything else to say otherwise, you know. I'm here for you guys.
Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Okay. Again,
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So, we're going to proceed in this order.
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your address for us, please?
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Hi, I'm Tony Wilcox.
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It's the very north end of the Friday Road extension. This property will directly abut my property on the north side and the west side. My concerns are several. One, we're in a very low area. We're in a flood plain. We had to purchase flood insurance and we're on a stem wall, a 33-inch stem wall, and we still had to purchase flood insurance. When we have big rains or steady rains, we have ponding in our yard that lasts sometimes several days. That is prevalent in our neighborhood. My other concern, before I get to environmental, and I'll be quick, is that is a rural, quiet, one to two acre lots subdivision all around us. There are no multifamily houses. I think they're going to be
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the road,
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So we would like to see something that is a little less dense. I realize they plan on doing green space. I would like a description of what the buffer is going to be. If it is to remain natural, that would be great. There are wild rabbits. There are gophers.
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And we've learned to live with it out there, and we like it. Not to mention all the kinds of birds.
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to look like and what the materials are going to be used to keep us kind of rural feeling. Thank you.
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Thank
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So next
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be, I'm just trying to
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I'm not sure it's [address] Is Jim here? Yes. Okay,
can
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My name is Jim Hathaway. I reside at [address]. ‸ This morning I walked some of that property and found evidence of 18 box tortoise. As the lady said, we have eagles in that area. Two nests have been destroyed there through the illegal cutting of the pine trees that were on that property that was stopped by one of our residents in the neighborhood.
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cut again and cut again until they were ordered to cease and desist. We talked about
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‸ I don't believe that because if you put in the infrastructure for it of roads, right of ways and all the rest of it, you wind up with 418 units there but not half acre units. So
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So that's
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So
I'm concerned that the city is getting ahead of itself until we see the infrastructure and see the agreement with the county. You're approving something that the county has to support. Let's get the approval from the county first and then you approve it.
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Susan Rollins, please.
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‸ Good evening, sir.
Good evening, ma'am.
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My name is Susan Rollins, just like the college Rollins. I live at [address] and I'm assuming that every one of you guys have been out there and looked at the property.
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So you must recognize me because I'm the lady that is always walking her dogs and people driving by me. I'm always waving at them and our neighborhood is, I mean, people are always waving at you when they drive by in their cars or their golf carts. So I'm assuming you recognize me, right? Every one of you have seen me because you've been out there and looked at the property. But kind of similar to what everybody else is saying, that is a rural area. People walk their horses. Hopefully they ride their horses more than walk them. They walk their dogs. Their kids are walking. They're on their bikes. They're on their golf carts. And ‸ that's the neighborhood that we would like to keep. And ‸ I can't even fathom how that will happen if you add 800 more cars onto that property. Those are county roads. They're only two lane roads. I don't know how ‸ we will ‸ ever be able to get out of that area because those traffic lights, ‸ it's hard enough to get out of there as it is right now. But ‸ if I could just kind of understand, what is the plan to help with the congestion? There's only two ways out of that area, Cox Road and Friday Road. And it can barely handle the traffic that is on there now. So unless there's some miracle solution where you're going to have a northbound exit or a westbound exit, I'm not even sure how this will even work. So at some point I would like to understand that. And because, I mean, we, it's really barely handling the traffic it has now.
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but everybody else has kind of said some ‸ of the things that I was going to say, you know, related to environmental study. I mean, I, I don't want to reiterate it. I'm sure everybody else has got other things, but that was probably my main point is the traffic. So thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you.
All right. Next will be Mrs. Kathy Glover.
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Okay. Thank
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Hi, I'm John Rollins and
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and we're tag teaming tonight. So I think on the density question, I do disagree that it's half acre lots. ‸ I've done the math based upon the, the work that you guys provided. It's actually point two acres when you take out the wetlands, the roads, et cetera. So let's be clear that these are not half acre lots. Okay. So I've also done the math being an engineer that if you look, I live on [address]. So if you look at just north of James road, everything ‸ that all the properties that could enter James road up to 528, there's about 90 homes. Okay.
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Now we're going to put 418 homes on less than that. Two thirds of that size, 418 versus 90. So how does that make any sense to be able to put that kind of traffic onto James road or onto Friday road?
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you know, the idea that people travel early in the morning or in the afternoon,
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But how are we, you know, we walk those roads.
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day. I see no plans for addressing that. And even speed bumps does not reduce the amount of traffic. So I think this, this entire development is just ill conceived to start with. Now, if you really wanted to get value as the city of Coco, you would put more substantial homes there that meet,
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homes. You could get the value of that. I think the developer would do just as well. And that would fit in with what, you know, our lifestyle is here and within the neighborhood. So that's what I have to say.
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Is Paul Hunter here? Yes.
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Good evening. I'm Paul Hunter. I live at [address]. We have parcels 27 and 28 that will border this project on two sides. My concern is really for the city and for the county. There's going to be a lot of infrastructure upgrades. It's already been discussed here tonight. You know,
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Are you going to do those infrastructure upgrades before you put an additional 418 houses worth of traffic on that road during those projects? Or is the project going to be allowed to go forth and build houses and then worry about the infrastructure? That's my question. Thank you.
Thank you very
much, sir.
Mr.
James Tully. Mr. James Tully.
That's me.
Yes.
My name is James Tully. I live at [address]. We're parcel number 66 on your map. So we're directly affected by this particular change. The biggest concern, everyone has said things about drainage, traffic, and all the other stuff, density. I agree with all these things, but I'm not going to repeat them. My biggest concern is I don't see how you're getting into and out of this subdivision.
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off of James Road ditch. There is no road there now. This road is going to run directly behind our property, and you're going to put 418 houses worth of traffic on this road. But this will directly affect everyone who lives in this area.
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I bought property out here in 1977. Built a house. We've been there pretty much ever since.
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You have space around you. You have animals. You have people walking ‸ the streets. You
have seats.
And you have privacy. That's going to go away if there's traffic for [address] And all the problems that people are talking about are going to ‸ happen. It's unavoidable.
‸ So
what I'd really like to see you do is revisit the approach where you approved 418 homes to begin with.
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Okay?
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Thank you.
Good
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I live at [address]. Yes,
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And I would like to make a request if we could. I've got the official subdivision map that shows all the parcels. Put it up on the screen if we could, because all the parcels take up less than half of the actual property, so that makes the size of the lots probably less than a quarter of an acre. Anyway, my wife and I, I'm a retired fireman, spent 30 years fighting fire. Shortly after I retired, I, my wife and I decided we needed to move closer to our kids. We'd find us a nice place. We searched for over a year to find a spot, two acres, at
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supposed to be greenbelt behind us.
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our house. If you guys approve this subdivision, if you look at there, the main road going into that subdivision right near where the clubhouse and everything is, is where our property will bud.
And as I
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cars driving within
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So basically that's how it's going to affect me. So if you approve it, I urge you not to approve it, but I have the map of people would like to see it.
that
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actually shows where all the lots are and everything that was provided by the county. I'd like to put it up on the screen if we could.
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Basically that's... We have maps here with ours, sir.
Yeah. All right.
Thank
you. Mark W. Ward.
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Yes,
sir.
Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Good evening. Distinguished Council members. My name is Mark Ward, W. A. R. D. I live
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I come to you this evening to ask at a minimum that you delay approval of the agreement from 2007.
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I sent each of you guys an email yesterday. I don't know if you had a chance to read it or not. Of my overlying concerns about traffic infrastructure, potential for increased crime. I'm also the guy that provides your horse and carriage service here in the city. We work our horse and carriage out on those streets every day. The traffic is already extremely bad.
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My main issue at this point deals with flood water runoff and our system that's already overtaxed. For the last two years, I've lived in that particular house for the last six. And in the last two years, we have seen increased flooding exponentially. To the point last year, I had to call the county and ask them to please come out and see what the heck is going on with our stormwater runoff. ‸ All of the culverts were full. They sent out a supervisor from Brevard County Roads and Bridges that is responsible for all the culverts who told me directly.
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He told me directly. The issue is that the system for drainage is already overtaxed. A lot of it has to do with the development that's taking place on the south side of 524 being pumped up into the culverts, which ultimately drains out
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James Road then to the St. Johns River. So we've got the issue with flooding that's already occurring on our properties on
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These are
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You mentioned earlier that
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and out is Friday Road to James Road. Well, you totally left out Cox. Cox Road is already so busy that when I leave on a Saturday to turn on to 524, I have to wait two, sometimes three light cycles to even make a left turn to get out of that neighborhood.
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existing agreement. I'm asking that you just delay that approval until some of this stuff that people have mentioned is looked at in a little bit more detail because things have changed greatly since 2007 when this agreement was made. So that is my request. And that you also consider for future development.
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You
can laugh all you want,
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I came here in 19... Can
you wrap it up for me?
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This life I've led took me everywhere. There ain't no place I've never gone. It's kind of like the saying that you've heard so many times, there's no place like home. Did you ever see a she-gator,
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young, or a fish in the river swimming free? Did you ever see the beauty of the hills of Carolina? Or the sweetness of the grass in Tennessee? And I can't take any changes. All I can do is write them in this song because I can see the concrete slowly creeping. Lord, take me in mind before that comes.
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Good evening. My name is Alicia Weaver.
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I've seen a lot of changes go on with our rural community.
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current arrangements that we have. The majority of the homes there are on over an acre of property. To bring homes in at this density is going to impact our environment. It's going to affect all the wildlife that we have. In addition, we all agree the math just doesn't add up. This property is also going to be impacted by the high speed rail that's currently being built on the north side of the proposed development along the south edge of 528. Property owners are already experiencing runoff and flooding. The proposed development questions in a flood zone. When they go to build these houses that they go on the basic building requirements. They're going to have to build these houses up to the above the crown of the road, increasing additional flooding. We already are experiencing cars racing up and down our roads, having problems getting in and out of our yards.
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What are we going to have?
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Are these going to be single residents or multi-resident homes? So in other words, can duplexes be built on this property? What would we see?
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You know, we're already noticing increases in crime. I appreciate you taking the opportunity, giving me the opportunity to speak today. Like many of us, I'm not a resident of Coco proper because we haven't been annexed yet. Perhaps I will be in the future. You know, none of us expect retribution for our thoughts or our comments that we've expressed here.
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of the homes in the area. Thank you.
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I've been there for 16 years and I love our neighborhood. I have concerns and I looked at the map that was online as many of you have already and they're describing this property as low density housing which typically refers to residential areas properly occupied primarily by single family homes or buildings with smaller number units, etc. So my concern is if it's a single family home at
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well, I don't know because my concern is what the when you say low density is the units that can be put on these and that can occupy two to three more families. Now you also said that these buildings will be a maximum of 35 feet tall. Typically a three story building starts at 33 feet tall. So that tells me that these will be multi-unit dwellings. If this is a multi-unit dwelling, we're looking at 418 units times two if ‸ it is a duplex. You're looking at
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‸ I just I have concerns over this and I do have concerns about what the buffer will look like and ‸ aesthetically how will this impact our neighborhood and our property values. Again, you know, is our taxes going to have to pay for the infrastructure going on to Friday Road and the sewers being put in for these units that we don't even own. So thank you and have a nice day.
Now it's your turn Mark Stiley sir. No
harm no foul sir. Is the developer still in the back?
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I
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[address] […]. Yes. Alright. ‸ So obviously I didn't get a notification, but as you can tell, the grapevine spoke. I moved to that area about a year and a half ago and one of
the
reasons I did is because it's very rural and, you know, peaceful. We've already had problems with major flooding on the other end of James Road and
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they, ‸ all they've managed to do is send somebody out and say, yeah, it's a problem. We need to do that. You add that many cars to those roads and if you ‸ drive along James Road, that ditch is a complete mess.
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guarantee you that water's got to go somewhere. What might have been approved in 2007 is nowhere near what needs to be looked at now. So my request is, as the other gentleman said, this whole thing be tabled until a complete new study is done because that has no business being the density that they're talking about there. Thank you.
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you. Scott. Scott. Scott.
Is it okay? Can I remove my mask? Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Yes. I'm Patricia Scott and I live at [address]. I am in the county, but the city limits are just border on the south of my property and I'm in the curve, the only curve on Friday Road. And I happen to be the trash pickup lady out there. I have cleaned up Friday Road from 524 all the way down to James Road, 2.1 miles. And I now have a helper, a retired gentleman that lives near the church out there,
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that helps me. ‸ So I adopted some of South Friday Road over on the other side of I-95.
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So I'm on almost 10 acres and we left as much as we could native. And I love the wildlife and all the other stuff. And because it's rural residential one acre lots, we never had horses,
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two neighbors, two horses. But, you know, we love all of the wildlife and I love that it's native. But I tell you, it's been a disruption. I now have a Buddhist monastery on the south side of me and we've had to deal with the Flying J truck stop, which I know,
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because they thought, look at all that revenue. Well, I guarantee you, I look at all the trash because I'm the lady out there picking the garbage up from that place. I
know that these
people toss out. But it is annoying that we have four and five tractor trailer trucks parked on State Road 524. I have called the City of Cocoa police. I have called Brevard County. It's like nothing ever gets changed between that and the distribution center. Now, one thing that did happen was when they had rutted out along North Friday Road there within, I'm talking
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that side. So, you know, the important thing is when people talk about flooding, it is an issue out there because down deep we
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was zoned for one acre lots or larger because the water, ‸ when it rains, ‸ it stands in the woods and to me it's beautiful, but it takes it many days to
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back down into the aquifer. And the speeders.
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know. But the speeders out there are horrendous. The traffic has gotten really bad. I have called City of Cocoa police. I have called Brevard County police. Nobody runs radar out there. And I bicycle. They tell us we don't even have room for a bicycle trail out there. So we have, I have to bicycle on the road.
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mean, it's dangerous. But if you allow this development to go in, out there, you have ruined the whole area from 528 all the way down
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Hi, good evening. I was part of the group that fought against the original development back there for some of the same reasons. I appreciate the fact that it's lower density now than it was. There's still a question of will it be multifamily?
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Or ‸ will there be short term, excuse me? Could
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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Sorry about that. And so for us, obviously, you've heard the density, traffic and drainage. On both sides of James Road, or both sides of Friday, both sides of Cox are ditches, drainage ditches. So we get all the water from the city of Cocoa. James Road is the great big 20, 30 foot ditch that everything drains into and then goes out past that proposed development. When it gets blocked up, our front acres all flood.
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if we keep shoring up our properties, the city of Cocoa floods. So we haven't done that, obviously, because on our side, we probably could shore it up to protect ourselves. But that's not fair to everybody. And it doesn't happen often. Twice, I think, since we bought our property in the 90s.
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back. It is, for most part, it's agriculturally zoned, which allows horses. Chickens, ducks, goats, you name it, we've got it. So that way of life isn't going to jive with a high density 800 cars.
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FedEx, food deliveries, repair people. ‸ It is unfathomable that we're going to put that on that
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restrictive road. And
I don't know that there's any other way around it other than reduce the density that they're going to put there. That's it.
We already know there's go-through
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amongst the other wildlife. And there was just a sandhill crane that was killed right in front of 524. I mean, it's egregious the kind of traffic in a short, dense little area. And I don't know what the solution is other than reducing the density to begin with to minimize that negative effect on the rest of the neighborhood. And then it's if they're going to be five houses to an acre, which is what the math comes out to, what are the prices of those homes? What does it do to our prices of our homes that we've worked in our whole lives for? This is it. This is our retirement.
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And when will we get the answers to these? I don't know what the city of Cocoa rental policy is. Short-term rentals, FSBOs, you know, Airbnb stuff.
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that area we don't have that because we certainly couldn't sustain it. Thank you.
Thank you,
Ms. Gov.
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Hi, I'm Alicia French. That's my mama. I'm at 2850 Friday Lane. This property will be, or this development will be literally right behind my house.
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I just, it just doesn't make sense. It's just never going to work. All of those cars, like she said, James Road has a massive ditch to the right side. Well, depending on where you're going on the right side, people's driveways are on the left side. So what if the mail lady stops to deliver mail, the garbage man to pick up garbage. Now you have that two lane road down to one lane with now the one lady was saying 2,500 cars potentially.
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It, it, it doesn't work. It's never going to work. And even if you wanted to go to 95, if you drove down Friday Road to ‸ that stoplight where the gas station is, there's no way to put a turn lane.
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It's probably going to be two miles at least down of traffic every single day for, and that's going to be our lives now. I mean, I have, you know, sometimes when I'm feeling active, I will run or walk down James and sometimes I can go down back and forth from Cox to Friday and never once see a car sometimes. ‸ And so now we're not, ‸ we're not even going to have that now where we can walk, run, do any of those things. It's going to be just congestion like crazy. My husband and I lived in Fort Lauderdale. We live that life. We don't want to live that life anymore. So that's why we're where we're at. And so that's all I have to say. Thank you.
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We've got quite a representation on Pine Lily.
I
know tonight.
Thank you
so much. Anyway, so as I was saying that this, this interaction with the city this evening brings back to memory the 2004 when we were all standing outside. In any case, once again, the city provided
just
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last minute. We didn't honestly, I know that you guys have a process and it takes time, but we didn't get notified in the neighborhood. I know that you advertise in the paper, but to get notified and find out on a five o'clock on a Friday to get people out till they know that what's going on. And that took a tremendous amount of effort.
It really
did. I just asked for consideration. At the time when we
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standing in the courts,
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have no legal basis in the fifth district court of appeals. However, the ‸ court ruled since the county was not ‸ injured party, the annex was allowed to stand. So you guys really didn't win, but you kind of played the play the corners, I guess. This evening, I believe the stated purpose of this meeting is to determine the home size of the development. And we've talked a little bit about that and said that the smallest size would be 1500 square feet with 1800 feet being the average. I still believe that you guys are missing the opportunity to put together a development that more closely matches the lot size and character of our neighboring properties.
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indicated the perimeter lots would be 70 by 140 with a 15 foot buffer. ‸ The agreement also speaks of a density of no more than 2.03 units per acre with a 212 acre total. Well, you say the low 400s, but as we've said, the math doesn't exactly work out for the actual lot size.
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We all moved out to where we are because we like it to be a little more spread out. We like the wildlife and you guys with what you're trying to do is really putting us in a bind. I ask you, you talk about two interests to the development. I don't see how that is.
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I'd like to hear a little more about that to understand the agreement that we had back in 2007.
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many aspects of it that need to be revisited so that we make sure that we're doing the best thing for the city of Cocoa and for the people in our area. I ask that we would have a team that we would all work together to find a way forward. We can all we all need to be good neighbors and considerate of one another.
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Okay.
I, I, uh, okay. So anyway, uh, with
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with the development that's going in, we're ‸ going to take out the buffer for the surrounding area.
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the trains going by 32 trips a day. We are going to be inundated with the sound. I measured last year with my meter 63 dB in my backyard. Do you guys know how loud 63 dB is? And you're going to take away that buffer and it's even going to be louder. Come on.
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just, I,
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summing it up since you guys are only giving me such a short amount of time. Amazon is now going to have a delivery area, uh, distribution area in our area. And that's going to add more load on the road. The intersection in front of, uh, Flying J is a disaster.
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You know what I had to do yesterday.
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the birds and that's why I'm out there. And I had to pick
up
the dead one and carry it over, over to this
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because it's mate was going to run out and get slaughtered too.
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Yes,
I asked, look, just tonight that I'm not a city of Cocoa residents. We are your neighbors. Let's all try to be good neighbors. Many of us chose the royal lifestyle.
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I
ask
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that we work together. Could we have some kind of group? Thank you.
Thank
you.
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Jennifer Marin. Jennifer. Jennifer. M-A-R-R-E-N.
Yes, Jennifer Marin, [address], Cocoa, Florida.
Thank you.
I moved here, uh, to Cocoa about a year and a half ago from Jacksonville, Florida. We have a port, we have Amazon, and we have a two lane road that would come into our development.
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It
would take three hours sometimes because of the bottleneck. That's exactly what they're doing. They're creating a bottleneck going into this rural area and out. It's a safety concern because there are bus stops. There are children. I have a 10 year old. I have a 12 year old and I have a 14 year old. We moved here because we wanted to be able to live in a safe neighborhood where they could walk down the street and I wouldn't have to worry if they were going to get hit by somebody going around a bus and hitting my child. So, you may see there's not one sidewalk on Friday Road. So, those kids have to stand there. There's a ditch and there's a road. And they're standing right there. So, if somebody who's in a hurry, who's late for work, who needs to get around a bus, goes around a bus, you potentially could kill a child because there is nowhere for them to go.
There is
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such a small area for them to stay.
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We sit there like everyone else said and you can't get out. It's already a bottleneck. If you create a bigger bottleneck, you're going to create a safety concern for the ‸ wildlife. You're going to create a safety concern for our children. And we have a lot of younger families moving to the area and buying up those homes. So, we have a lot of kids in this area.
It's
not just retirees. It's a safety issue. And, you know, I've been out there. I see the wildlife. I saw the baby crane get killed. I saw them pick it up on the road. You know, that's an issue.
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set, you're wrapping.
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build out, I know you have some areas, but there's nowhere for them to go. So, you're basically trapping them and removing their habitat.
So,
I mean, it's just common sense.
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You can put lipstick on a pig, but this is not going to work.
Thank you.
I have one more thing. I'm sorry. I apologize.
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So, when I got here a year and a half ago, the biggest change I saw was the FPNL removing the older poles, putting in the big cement electrical poles. They filled in a lot of that area.
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I called the city.
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I called waste management. Because that area that's supposed to drain was filled up by Walmart. And it
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So, if you want to think about change, that's the biggest change that happened recently. And that needs to be investigated.
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Okay, thank you. Last will be Bruce J. Mason, Senior.
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First of all,
I
want to say everybody that has been here tonight that I've listed so far, I'm in total 100% accord with what's been said so far. The concerns are real. For instance, Mr. Ward came up a little bit. I'm a facts and figures guy. I have, I'm a real estate broker and a general contractor certified by the state of Florida and I've done real estate development my entire life.
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with Bob Trossett of Trossett Mason Realty for many years and worked at Trafford Realty. I had the honor to work with Al Trafford for many years. But I am a facts and figures person. And as that gentleman said right there earlier, he said the, the, the,
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uh,
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If I may, Mr. Knuterman, you read earlier some of the spec specifications.
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believe is 120.
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I
do the math.
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Okay. I have my, my math thing right here. Then we'll do it right in front of everybody and I will be done by the beat. Okay.
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A half acre is 21,780 square feet.
It
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don't line up folks.
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acres and there's only 212 to begin with.
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If you take 212 acres and you take away conservatively 30%, you're still going to, it won't work. It won't work. Mr. Ward a little earlier talked about the drainage problem. It's real. One of my colleagues and dear friend, Mr. Lightholder over here, he's a general contractor like myself. He says, he just sent me a picture. He says, Bruce, I'm on Britt Road between Friday and Cox, just like where the man said we have massive drainage problems. He showed me a picture.
He
said, this is 16 inches above the road. I text him back. I said, what year? He ‸ said, last week in a thunderstorm. 16 inches of water couldn't even be carried out of his subdivision. So, folks, I heard my beat. I promised I'd be out. The math doesn't work. It doesn't work. You can't get 400 half acre lots on 212 acres.
Period.
Thank
you for saying that we do that. We
do not
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Let me do a little bit, go at this rate. The first thing, are we current on reference of flooding approved under the current criteria? We're not living under 2007 criteria currently right now. Is that correct?
That's correct.
Okay. Help me understand about the traffic issue where they're talking about the traffic lane coming out of Friday road.
I'm going to
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send it back up or even turning in and the trucks on the right hand side of the road.
‸ The
feeding track.
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I can't speak on the traffic impact. That's a county road that the county will have to work with the developer to.
‸ Please ma'am, please sir. I'm just asking.
So that is a county road that the developer and the county will have to work out all of the infrastructure improvements that will be necessary for the development.
So there will be improvements. ‸ Okay. Yes. There
will be.
Okay. Thank you ma'am.
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help you guys understand
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the audience understand if the engineer could sort of share the, the answering of the questions with Charlene.
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Okay. And also dealing with the density issue, sir. Come forward, please. Mr. Walsh, I'll talk to you about the infrastructure. That's what. Go ahead, sir.
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Andy Kerbach. 504 North Harbor City Boulevard, Melbourne, Florida.
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418 units on 212 acres is less than 2 units per acre.
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So they are 50 by 120. And in some cases, 125 foot. So the density is the density, which is still 2 units, less than 2 units per acre. Just remember on the original court ordered stipulated agreement. This was actually allowed to have 600 units.
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As far as the traffic study and the county. Right now, the county, uh, we have gone through the, the, uh, traffic engineer is working on the methodology for the traffic report and they're starting the traffic analysis, which they have coordinated with. Of our county, so they're in contact with our county and everything will be per the original stipulated agreement. And they will do that traffic study and any resulting improvements that are required out of that traffic study will be implemented as part of the project.
Okay. Okay.
I
see that. Okay.
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uh, clarify for the ‸ audience there.
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Um, I, I think that was part of the question there.
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Just clarify that.
Okay. So the traffic study has a lot of parameters which are included in the stipulated agreement that was approved by court order.
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and 524. They also look at traffic coming along James road. So those are the big, those are the big items that are.
Okay.
Ladies
and gentlemen, ‸ please. So
the traffic study, it's very specific. It's included in the stipulated settlement agreement and. The county has already approved the requirements of the traffic study, which includes. Not just this property, but all along Friday road and James road. And the intersection at 524.
Okay. Can you address the issue about flood?
Well, flooding and stormwater really go hand in hand. So there is. This site will have to meet the stormwater and floodplain compensation requirements
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So anything that we do out here, we're preserving as many of the wetlands that we can on the site. And in addition, there will be a stormwater pond that's designed for not only the 25 year storm, which is required by the city and the St. Johns, but also the 100 year storm will be analyzed. That way there's no additional impacts to the floodplain.
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the audience for the audience there, the flooding, the ‸ stormwater, the runoff created by the project is contained within the project.
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to be reduced from the existing condition. So actually, there will be an improvement. And a reduction of discharge into the James road.
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requirements, we have to match the pre development discharge rate for stormwater runoff. We have to. Meet it or reduce it from the existing. Runoff calculations. So when we develop the site, there will be a reduction. We'll match it or reduce the flooding.
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go through. Andy, can you talk about the, when the infrastructure upgrades would have to occur? That was one of the questions, the timing of the, of the traffic and the utility infrastructure upgrade. Okay.
So before the, before the houses are constructed around the time when there's 10 houses constructed, the infrastructure will have to be in place.
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So environmental analysis was performed. There are wetlands on the site. The wetlands will be preserved in accordance with the St. John's requirements, the city of Cocoa requirements and the original stipulated agreement, which has,
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wetlands, the wetlands,
the
wetlands are preserved and conserved as much as possible.
And
that's what we're doing.
Thank you,
ladies and
gentlemen.
Thank
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Um, Andy, there was a, and this may be a developer question. There was a question of whether this was a single family or a multifamily development. I'm sure you can answer that question.
Yeah,
this
is single family only. I don't know where anything else came up as part of the stipulated agreement is single family, single family only.
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Okay, definitely.
Um,
pretty much every question that I had, uh, was already asked. And the main thing I had was about maintaining your own water on the property. Uh, that, that was, that was the,
that,
that was the main question for me.
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is areas to control your own water.
Is
that close?
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That's the entire open space. So
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the ponds are over 50 something acres.
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‸ Okay. That was my main thing. I know everybody have a issue with the traffic, um, but I know that's gonna ‸ be a conversation between the developer, you and the county moving forward.
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conversation, a lot of conversation with, and I,
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on 524. I know that's gonna ‸ be a part of that project as well. So, um, you know, so I want to kind of make sure everybody understand that too.
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going to be a lot of improvements being done on 524 moving forward. Thank you. That's all I have. Thank you.
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um, 524. That's a ways off unless we can get that one moved up. But,
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So when was the environmental analysis done?
So the preliminary environmental analysis was done in the last couple months. I don't know the exact date. It was done by biotech consulting. There's been numerous environmental environmental studies that were performed, including during the original, uh, stipulated agreement. Okay.
And what about the wildlife?
‸ So, uh, basically there, you know, there's no endangered species that they found out on the site. So. Okay.
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Um, it will be reviewed again for all those environmental requirements.
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Okay. And what about the, the comment on the sound buffer? Has that been analyzed?
Well, all the buffers are
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So there's 25 foot buffers along the north and the west, which really doesn't matter at this point because it's right line and, uh, I-95.
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side per the original agreement. And there's a, it varies along the south side, uh, to the, to the clubhouse, which is, you know, almost 50 feet.
Mm-hmm. In regard to the wildlife, um, there is a comment made and I started to study the map. There doesn't seem to be,
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Because we know and, you know, we've become more aware in the last decade of how essential it is for animals, wildlife to have corridors. So this is not contiguous.
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Jacobson about the 10 day notification. Are we in violation of, of that?
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agreement, you know
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So this is really a refinement of what was done in 2007. There's no specific notice requirement. However, the city did go above and beyond. Issued courtesy notices, my understanding, to the surrounding neighborhood. Also published an advertisement in the newspaper. in addition In addition, when the formal permitting process commences, when they come in for the rezoning and a preliminary plat, there will be city code and statutory notice requirements that would have to be met. So there'll be additional publications for every step of the permitting process that goes before planning and zoning board in the City Council and
so I just got notice of this on Friday and you know there was a woman that made a comment about
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well I haven't had time to drive over there I'm just wondering what our hurry is since we're technically missing and don't get me
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understand the builders fabulous I'm sure they'll do you know fine homes but I'm just trying to understand the urgency when in just a few days so many people came out, and I know in my own neighborhood when this many people come out they really love their neighborhood and they're really concerned.
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mean I would like to make a motion to delay this until we have a
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all the questions that were asked tonight I didn't hear this one asked
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gonna ‸ sell them for to the
prospective
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buyers
so I'm not the developer I'm the engineer so I mean what I what I understand is the typical market rate is 300,000 ish and above
does that be you know those houses out there ‸ anywhere from 380,000 to about a million
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like
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I mean it's it's a home builder. that's
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out there and they know that they know the neighborhood. So they have they understand the the neighborhood. they Home builders like to build on 50 foot lots.
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on smaller lots and little of larger lots so but they're gonna ‸ build a nice product
I will
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Oh
mr. mayor to start I mean the motions kind of incomplete and there's a post motion to postpone, but there's really no, this you know, there's no date. So to the extent I'm not advocating one way or another but to the extent that the matter needs to be postponed I would recommend that you give a date when you want this to be to be heard again before the City Council especially given the fact that all the advertisements were put out in the notices so
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first of all, it said that several technical provisions of the proposed settlement we're still being worked out
okay I
mean so whenever I get something in bullet print like this I'm alerted then the fact that I didn't get it till Friday we've got she got a budget hearing tonight. So as you know, we've had a lot on our plate. and we get an agenda packet like that
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I just wanted to know because when you say delay I would like to understand like why. So, city manager, um is there
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issue with the agreement that we still have workout some technicalities inside of this agreement? Yeah, those are
those are staff level
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concern density or any of the big issues there. So, those those are issues that um are at a staff
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and bolts of the agreement
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put this on
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to address this issue, correct?
Address what? ‸ The agreement
motion or to approve or disapprove if ‸ tabling this issue is denied that's what I'm in
essence there was a motion to postpone delay is not around the Roberts rules I'm interpreting that to mean a motion to postpone you know as I indicated I would recommend that that motion you know that you provide a date to when you want that to come back because the motion is incomplete. But there is a second on the floor. So, if that motion fails, then the council, it's within your prerogative to vote the agreement up or down this evening.
Can we postpone it? ‸ to the next meeting? Our next council meeting? That'll give staff time to uh go through with the technicality that they need to.
to be able to do
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issue is a matter of what the developer wants to bring forward. And, you know, there are a lot of folks have said that that, that that is one of the bigger issues there. And so, you know, that's not a technical issue because I don't believe that ‸ what
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technical that's what I'm trying to understand
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one of the technical issues? well We have a lot of, there's still a lot of uh issues with regards to utilities. Those those are you know not going to get solved and and Jack can talk about those but those are you know, where you run the utilities, where you connect up to the utilities there. And so, you know, the city is required to actually bring the utilities to the site. ‸ so that probably is one of the technical issues um
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That's the the technical issues are primarily with the utilities and
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that to run a line continuing down into the property for them to, do for the developer to connect to for all of the lots. Those, those fine points haven't been worked out as far as the exact locations of where those lines will fall. And that's mostly due to the bright line train and and not knowing exactly where they will need some water and I think Jack can probably expound on that a little bit more. oh
oh okay uh could you expound on that
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and also include the sewer line too as well and how we uh uh upgraded that
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we're working out kind of the details. um and as, as was stated, uh we're looking at running uh waterline underneath 528. And what used to be a contiguous property is now separated by a piece owned by bright line to the north, as well as this developer that's in here. So there's some technical issues like the definition of a point of connection, which there's no argument about, but the actual legal definition differs than the actual point because there's a new property where there's really going to kind of be two points of connections. But the waterline is still going to go all the way through. But we need to make sure we have an easement over the bright line property, which is the sliver on the north of this property, as well as an easement down this property down Friday Road to, you know, to extend the water line for the purposes of this. Same thing for the reclaim and the sewer. They'll all be provided via extensions that will go underneath 528 and be served from
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via the property to the north, the bright line property that will be developed to the north.
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Yeah, sewer and reclaim, same. same So we're required by by the original settlement agreement to provide services to this property. um And so, uh actually there's two settlement agreements, but but we're required to provide services to this property. So, the only way to get sewer to this side
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to go underneath
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because i have there is all county south of us and we have no sewer nearby at all. So
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has to go east back to
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storm water Yeah,
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Due to the size of the property, it not only has to meet the city of
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but also St. John's Water Management District. Since the overflow will discharge into the county's ditches, the county will have a review in that as well, just to make sure that those flows aren't too high in those higher storm events.
There's no technicalities as far as the agreement that you have dealing with storm water Okay, okay, okay.
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You know, as you know, the council received the agreement on on Friday. There were a couple of other, like, timing issues on the utilities and all possible alternatives regarding a drainage easement that we hadn't had enough time to, you know, complete the analysis on that. So they're really kind of just technical utility issues that ordinarily the staff handles under its utilities technical specs manual in terms of running lines um and timing. In addition, there were a couple of minor corrections that needed to be made to the plan. I mean, they're basically scribbling as errors. ‸ a point of connection was shown in the wrong location. A couple of the notes and you know needed to be eliminated from the from the um you know the plan document. I mean, just very, very technical. um So that's what we were referring to.
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Yeah, I just wanted to ask, Jack, it sounds very expensive to get a line over there. Drilling under 528. would Do we have any idea what the cost to the city will be or is that covered by the development? No,
I don't.
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it's a the city's paying for that for that water line and I don't have any engineering at this point because
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be going down uh kind of the ditch along 528 or
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relive to the development and the alignment of their entry, which is part of the northern development that bright line currently has, um you know, that that is all connected to. So um we have a task order in place for our engineer to do the design, um but he's kind of holding until final alignment is decided so that, ‸ we can do the survey and then extend, you know, the services to the to the property as stipulated in the agreements.
Right. And I think just to re reemphasize you know, because I know maybe some of the council members weren't here, um you know, the property to the north of State Road 528 and this property,
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made the commitment to uh provide points of connection for utilities to serve both both properties. And as you know, the council's already approved a settlement implementation agreement with Brightline for the development to the north. And there are aspects of the utilities that
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in the infancy of being worked on and task orders being done that are going to impact the timing of the
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always intended to be interrelated and always intended to go underneath State Road 528. So there's a lot of like timing moving, moving parts that, you know, ‸ Jack could explain
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more technical details that, you know, we want to make sure that we cross the T's dot the I's on, on those provisions in the agreement.
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um to vote on this at that time.
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26th is your ‸ yes motion?
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it's things like the developer is looking for implementation assurances about how this development will go. And as the attorney stipulated, um we're, ‸ trying to outline in the agreement using, you know, using the right language to state that we're going to provide utilities. But like
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so I don't have control over their permitting or you know their approval process, which directly affects this particular property, but is connected to both properties, because I need the alignment to line up between the north property and the south property. The easements need to line up, and we need to kind of get everything together and going across. If d ot decides, for whatever reasons, that they don't particularly like that alignment, they could just ask us to shift it, and then we would have to petition and get the easements in the alignment for both properties, again, to support that, and then nobody's disagreeing with that. I don't think we're just technically working out the language to make sure that everybody's uh is kind of protected if things were to go or change, and that those are the kinds of details that we've been working out with the attorney's office.
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don't make a motion to boost staff recommendation in reference of the settlement Implementation agreement between the beach line partners at LC and the city of Coco to approve conceptual
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and I want to protect Your environment Trust me But just give us a chance to work with you and it's development Because we're gonna ‸ hold his feet to
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better stay on him Because you need to stay on us And we're gonna ‸ get through this together I promise you
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chel's gonna take them uh entertain the motion for ‸ five minutes
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correct. All right. Correct, please, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Um, we're on to approve resolution 2021-086,
no,
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that. Ordinance number
13-2021, second and final reason regarding updates to the special events. Ordinance.
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Yes, sir. Yes,
sir.
Can we
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pull it up.
Yes, sir.
Take
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Chapter 2, Administration, Article 11 of the City Code relating to special events, providing for the repeal of prior and consistent ordinances and resolutions, incorporation into the code severability and an effective date. As I noted, this is second final reading and a public hearing item. Thank
you
very much.
Thank you very much.
Yes,
we're talking.
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Sanger.
Yes, sir.
The ma'am.
So this is the second reading. I went over this at the last meeting.
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Um, and I went over those details at the last meeting, but it includes just some some basic language changes. The biggest, uh, changes that we had were adding, uh, the ‸ authorization of the city manager to approve, um, waivers of special event fees associated with fundraising events for
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um, some of our newer facilities into the agreement as well.
So moved. No, I have to open it to the public, right? Because this is, right? Yes, sir. Yes,
sir. Public hearing.
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like to open this portion to the public. If you have any concerns or questions about this particular item, please come forward to state your name and your address for us, please.
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Chair
I'd
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like to close it to the public and return to the council. What are the wishes of council? Motion to approve. We got a motion
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Second by deputy mayor.
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All in favor, say hi. Aye. Any nays?
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Okay. Proceeding on to the next item here. This is
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of 6.4532 meals for the great city of
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Okay. Mrs. Bowman.
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Yes, sir.
Thank you county ma'am.
Good evening mayor and council members.
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of the millage rate and the budget for fiscal year 22. So to review again staff works starting back in March on the budget. It takes a long process. ‸ Lot of meetings. We've had multiple budget just workshops with city council and some other public meetings.
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We had our first public hearing for the tentative millage rate and budget at the last council meeting.
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military and budget. And all these deadlines are in accordance with the truth and millage statutes that we have to follow. So as I said, we're here to adopt the final
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Again, it's going to be in two steps. First step is I'm going to present to you the information on the military and then I'll present to you the information on the budget and you'll take two separate motions. One to adopt the military and the other one to adopt the budget. And so the budget has been developed with assumption of using 6.4532 mills and the state requires that we budget at least 95% of the
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The budget has actually been developed with an assumption of a 97% collection rate on the avalorum. So in developing the budget and looking at the millage rate and the actual budget, the expenditures and the revenue, we take a look at the fund balance policy each time refer to that look to see what kind of things can be funded with the fund balance and what things have to be funded with ongoing operating expenditures. So this is a slide demonstrating the fund balance policy that was adopted by city council in 2010 and then again in 2015. This is a graphical picture showing you the history of the avalorum taxes. As you can see the economic downturn hit a low spot around 2014 and the revenue is back up to where it was back in 2009. This is numerically the history and as you can see, we're experiencing a 4.3% increase in our avalorum tax base in this fiscal year 2022.
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And then also and looking at millage rate considerations, we do a comparison.
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as you can see there in green.
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As I said, the budget was developed with an assumption of 6.4532 mills upon recommendation and the current rate is
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So another thing that we take a look at is the financial impact of any changes, whether we kept the millage rate the same or we increase the millage rate. And this slide is demonstrating to you what
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with an assumption of a $50,000 homestead exemption. Most of the homes
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rate, the household would be experiencing a $16 per year increase in their taxes.
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they'd be experiencing about ‸ $89 increase for the next year. So we took a look at that slide and said, okay, well,
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look at save our home and the homestead exemptions. And so looking at the $200,000 home
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And this is a, um, an example of a slide of the average home value. This
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And so,
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their taxes. And this also demonstrates that their
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And less than a third of that is actually coming to the city of Cocoa because there's all kinds of other county and other, um, taxing districts that they're paying for. So when we increase our, uh, ‸ revenue, you might think it's a good
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So, um, we have an increase in our transfers to the two C.R. As of $161,000. So at this point in time, I'd. Be happy to answer any questions from Council.
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Go ahead, ma'am.
Oh, I just wanted to point out that, um, according to the Florida Today, Titusville actually went back to their current millage. So on the slide that showed the millage rates. In fact, yeah, they had a. They had, um, posted or proposed a higher rate because of course you can only go down. You can't go up. So when you don't know all the expenses at the point that you're proposing a rate, you have the right to do that. But when they got to the public hearing, they made the decision to go with the current rate.
Yes, ma'am. Okay. Is that it, ma'am? Yes.
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portion to council and open to the public. I have seven cards that's in front of me and we will proceed in this order. I believe in doing things decent and in order.
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forward and state your name and your address.
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Norwood Court.
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is this just for taxes?
Right, for right now, yes
please. Okay. I'm against tax increase right now because everything else has gone sky high. Flood insurance, car insurance. I just got a raise first time in three years. Um, but I keep hearing this argument about the splash pad.
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build that, then the taxes wouldn't go up. And I want to make sure that that is not the case. I mean, the taxes are going to go up whether you build it or not, correct? Is that,
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please?
Yes, sir. The splash pad was funded through the use of fund balance through our policy and the tax increase is largely due to providing salary increases for employees.
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I
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up. I'm sure most people aren't. So that's, that's it for the taxes. That was my question. So, yes, sir. Thank you.
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Next on the list will be Steve Murphy.
Yes, sir. I'm Steve Murphy, [address], Cocoa, Florida.
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the city of Cocoa.
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the millage rate increase. I would like to speak two points and then make a ‸ recommendation. Two points. One is that the references from the city budget director over here are fine for just the millage rate increase, but they do not properly reflect the totality of
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of Cocoa.
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They don't cover the stormwater assessment fee. They don't cover the fire protection fee. They don't cover the, the waste management increase that was approved by ‸ the city council as well. And so all of those things should be in there to provide a true reflection so the city council can see the overall effect of what they are passing this year with their budget. The second thing that I would like to mention here is not just directly to homeowners, but for those that, that
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Sometimes I think they get forgotten in these discussions. The budget presentation that was made reflects that for homeowners with the deductions that are made there for homestead exemption and for the save our homes. None of those things are applicable to homes that are used as rentals.
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rent out homes here within the city of Cocoa. With our large poverty rate that we have here, there's no option other than to see rents increase the next time that those rental leases are negotiated and
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down off times on those who are ‸ most desperate and most difficult to be able to make those rental increases. And now you discuss the splash pad earlier, but if you look at the cost of the splash pad at junior Rios park, if that were subtracted out of here, that would equal and increase more that you ‸ put in for reserves. The stepped up increase in the military if you just went back to the existing military.
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I know you only have 3 days to get this completed and into the state, but that's my suggestion to the council. Thank you.
Thank you very much, sir. Next
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Hello.
Greetings.
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I
live at [address] […].
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I see my good friends, fire chief and the police chief here. And I just want to say, I want you guys to have everything you want.
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I'm a Democrat.
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But being a Democrat does not exempt you from fiscal responsibility. Eight million dollars were recently allocated to
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this budget.
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you're actually going to raise millage. This is not okay.
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expense that is in this proposed budget and it would have an effect on the millage increase.
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raising millage beyond the current rate. They're the only other two cities doing that. Even so, those other two cities, once they raise their millage, their
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millage than the relatively rich
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We are not Melbourne Beach.
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I pointed out as discrepant in my calculation of projected revenue. And I emailed all of council and the city manager of this about this asking for an explanation. I received absolutely no explanation when I asked about this $24 million. If this $24 million or anything close to it exists as a potential revenue that's in our city budget, we should not be raising millage to raise $800,000. That's ridiculous. I would like an answer, please, as to what happened to that $24 million, which I see coming into the city but is not reflected in the projected revenue. I requested a copy of this proposed budget for the 9-14 meeting. Guess what? The only reason I got it is because a council member lent me theirs. There was no citizen access to the entire budget document prior to the 9-14 meeting. This is appalling. How are people supposed to participate meaningfully when they can't get their hands on the entire budget document? That's terrible. I remain disappointed that we pay a consulting firm tens of thousands of dollars for the stormwater fee rate levels and also for calculation of fire fee. And both of these structures take money from the poor and give it to the rich. They're both regressive.
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Last but not least, I remain disappointed that the budget does not include a mere $60,000 to subsidize Route 6 bus fares for our city's most vulnerable citizens who depend on public ‸ transportation.
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to ride the
bus. I am extremely disappointed about this. I will, I think my time's up so I'll just end there. Thank you for your consideration.
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Mr. Mayor, Frank Sullivan,
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a lifetime resident of Cocoa, city of Cocoa. And I must say, a few months ago, this council was looking at $8 million of money in the bank
that
obviously a more fiscal conservative group was able to get that amount in the bank without needing to spend it. Three of
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it took ‸ to divide it up. And now you're asking the residents of this city, the citizens of Cocoa, to give you $800,000 in tax increase.
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You ought to be embarrassed ‸ to come to your constituents and tell them this is what you're doing. And I would hope that there's been some rethinking on everybody's part as to how you want to divide up that $8 million and not have to go to the citizens of this city for a tax increase.
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just doesn't make sense. There are a lot of ways to spend that money that you could increase the image of Cocoa. I mean, you've got a group here now
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going to speak about the museum. ‸ It's a gem. You could be putting money there. You need to.
You
could.
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You've got things here that you could spend your money on that would benefit everybody, including the city in a long run.
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and what you're going to ask the city to do. Because I wish all these people that were worried about that were upset about what's going on in their neighborhood. We're here to hear what ‸ you're doing with how you're spending our money. So
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was talking about you need money for the police and the fire department. You had money for it. You don't have to ‸ have them wanting something. So think about it, please. Thank you.
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very much, sir. Next, will I really, is it Linda Dolphy? Am I reading that correctly?
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No,
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Is that D-O-L-P-H-I?
Let me apologize for that. So there was a lot of people out in the foyer, so I was scribbling really fast. It's a dolphin.
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Yeah.
Sorry.
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not Linda Dolphin. So I am speaking for her. So she's written a statement. She's a fellow citizen.
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her behalf?
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Yes.
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Yeah, with her address.
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Okay.
You want my name or Linda's? Because I'll be also representing myself and you'll get my address. But can we, let's do
Linda's.
Since
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two stoats. So this is Linda's time right now. Okay. I'm reading this on behalf of Linda Dolphin, resident of 2100 North Indian River Drive in COCO. And this is from Linda's words. So I'm just speaking them ‸ as her speaker.
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for a splash pad at Juni Rios Park be reallocated to operating expenses so that the millage rate did not have to be increased. I was mistaken in that belief, as I did not realize that assigned accounts dollars were not part of this year's budget and did not even have to be presented at this council meeting or any council meeting for that matter. It would not be good precedent to use these saved dollars on ongoing operational expenses. What I also believe is not good precedent is
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this council with no recommendations from city staff on best use of these funds.
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from a signed account balance to other accounts in two workshops, which were open to the public.
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the deliberation took place if we did not attend the workshops.
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approved at these workshops be reallocated to the Sustainability
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these meetings. I also
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be reinstated.
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to sustain the shops
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for other projects. What was considered more important? There are other questionable reallocations as well. I am requesting that the council members put these items on an agenda for discussion at a future council meeting, as all of these spending projects can still be changed. Let's have open discussions about these projects. They are not part of the budget being voted on tonight. Please,
counsel
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people, tell
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Juni Rios Park is the best use of our hard earned saved dollars. From Linda Dolphin.
Thank you,
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Address is [address]. I'm at 525 and I-95. And I have been in contact with a council. Several of you have probably heard from me. I wanted to explain. I wasn't quite sure how to say my public comment. I thought about reading some of my written correspondence. But then I decided, why not just tell you how I got here? And I got here. I hadn't planned to attend as of two weeks ago. But I read Linda's letter to the editor in Florida Today and that got me interested. I wasn't aware of the millage increase.
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was being available.
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not recorded. So I wasn't aware of any of that. But I read Linda's letter to the editor.
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After that, I watched the
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this meeting. I watched that on camera and I want to comment on what I saw. What I saw was I saw one council person who made some what I thought were very reasonable suggestions.
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mind and they took exception to the proposed millage increase. And then I saw another member of the another council person speak up and then the matter went immediately to a vote and it was approved. I saw no board discussion or discourse on the suggestions that were made. And when I saw that, that got me very interested. And I said, you know, I want to know more about this. I want to learn about this. And the more I've learned, the more questions I've had. And in particular about the process, I don't want
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go back and see all of the things of the pay increase, which is the justification for this. I want to know. And I feel deprived of that. I mean, there's a council person who ‸ didn't make these meetings and she was ‸ deprived of that. So I have questions about the process.
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right. And I have these ‸ unanswered questions. But despite that, this is a preordained vote. We already know what's happening in that.
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to the party. I realized that this happened in those five meetings before. And this is just going to be I don't know what it is. You may discuss it. You may not. But this is not a real hearing where you're listening ‸ to the public and about to take action based on these public comments. So I will be here next year. I'll be at all of the meetings.
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But we're going to have a four to one vote. And I'm going to thank you for the dissenting vote should
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a mill because a mill in order ‸ requires a super majority in order for this vote to take place. Any one of those four could vote against us and say this isn't the right time for this half a million dollar increase, which is half a million dollars that the actual millage will be. So any one of those four could dissent. But this is a preordained vote and I don't appreciate it. I look forward to a real discussion occurring when the when the hearing opens up. Thank you for your time. So I'm a little upset tonight. I wasn't hoping to make public comment, but I feel passionately about this and I appreciate you hearing me.
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Okay.
I'm Linda. Hello, you guys. I live at [address] and I am also a small business owner. I'm going to reiterate things that everyone else who has spoken has said. It kind of boggles my mind that we have somehow figured out what to do with 8 million dollars, which was apparently surplus. And yet
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I have to wonder, you know, did that money have to be allocated specifically? Is there no flexibility?
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that didn't get funded appears to be a fire ‸ truck.
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And I'm sorry, but that kind of has become the poster child for what looks like some kind of funny stuff. Basically, it doesn't look right.
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‸ a preordained vote and just doesn't feel like good governance. So thanks. Thank
you very much, man.
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council. And I would like to read into a few notes like I did previously. ‸ The city of Cocoa is a taxing authority.
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change of the rollback rate. The millage rate to be levied is 6.4532. Chair is requesting the approval of the resolution number 2021-087 adopting the final millage rate of 6.4532 mills for the city of Cocoa commencing on October the 1st, 2021 and ending on September the 30th, 2022. Chair has made a motion. I'll second. Looking for a second. Second by Councilman Dowell.
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I've got my light on. Where?
I've got my light on.
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I made a motion and a second. Do you have that,
Madam
Clerk? I do. Yes, ma'am. Thank you.
Okay. So. Okay. So. I'm going to vote the same way I did the first meeting, but I think everybody has gone over the reasons for that.
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was approached by senior staff as well as, you know, members of this council that I've somehow fallen out of the team, not consistent, didn't vote with the group. But I want to say that we went into executive session a couple months ago, which we're allowed to do because we're going into contract negotiations.
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that executive session, we learned about ‸ the drivers ‸ for increases in wages. And of course, I want our workers to be paid well. I want our essential workers to have their pay grade brought up because they were, they have not been competitive with some of the other Amazon and Walmart and whatever's coming in. So lots of anecdotal evidence in regard to the need to raise wages. So we looked at bringing up the tax rate, but that's, we have to, you have to post it high because you can't go above that. You have to post it at the maximum. Okay. We went into contract negotiations ‸ and then we come back with the budget and we see that we have capital expenses equal to the 562.
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you know, with this policy, plus another 2 million from the feds in one year, that 8 million, that's more than we gather
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valorem tax and property tax in a year. That is big. That
is big. And
that more than that 562 in there is discretionary.
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a balanced budget to actually get to the budget that's proposed without it being on the backs of taxpayers. And we just need one more vote to do that. So thank you.
Thank
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I got a question. This is for Councilwoman Cost.
So you're absolutely right.
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of the executive session, we had a conversation about the millage rate. Either to go up, roll back, stay the same.
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We, as you agree on
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we did have a conversation after the conversation dealing with salary increases for whatever union we had to negotiate. Did you
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you voted against the tax increase, you also voted for ‸ the union's contract. Yes. ‸ So they had to negotiate the contract based on our decision to go with the 6.4532.
The unanimous decision.
That's my, I
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Because that's the reason why they had the opportunity to make those negotiations based on our conversation that we had during the executive session. That's my only argument. Yes, sir. Yes, ma'am.
Our raising this tax rate is not based on raising those salaries. We have capital line in that budget equal to the amount we're raising in the millage. We could have gone back when we did that $8 million.
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shortfall at the
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And, you know, maybe that wasn't wise that we should have had a better idea.
But,
to raise, to put this on the back so since our Coens have suffered this year. And we have so many people that are on fixed incomes and they're just barely hanging on their houses. Waste management, water, storm water, fire, you name it, it's gone up. They're suffering out there.
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Okay. I just wanted for clarification, City Manager,
you
probably could help me out. When we went into these meetings and
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infrastructure, those items was brought up by staff recommendation from different departments. And if I'm correct, a lot of those items were voted unanimously, well approved. It wasn't, I don't know where to stand, what three people spent $8 million came from.
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So, yeah, we,
‸ a number of different things and different funding sources recall that we had the American Rescue funding and we gave you a listing ‸ of projects that you could spend that on. We also gave you a listing of projects that you could spend the fund ‸ balances on.
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Mrs. Dolphin in her correction of the editorial, the fund balances are the current fiscal year and really have nothing to do with the tax rate increase that's proposed. The tax rate increase that's proposed is specifically so that you can give pay raises to staff and most particularly to those union members as we negotiated them. And so
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does fund salary increases for the proposed fiscal year. The fact that the number ‸ that is the fund balance for capital is comparable is just merely coincidental or really has nothing to do with it. We are funding capital.
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your capital with fund balances and we are funding capital with fund balances. So, and then there, the other issue of a $24 million discrepancy. There is no $24 million discrepancy.
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The revenue does not come in an equal amount each month. And so if you do a calculation based on revenues coming in at an equal amount or an equal rate each month, you're going to do the math wrong. And so to call the incorrect calculation of how revenues come in a discrepancy is not factual. So again, the military that's proposed was specifically as we outlined to you in two private sessions was specifically for raises, most particularly to those members of staff that provide direct services to the public.
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I just wanted to finish off and make a statement. As you alluded, the tax
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mostly in part for salary raises. When we talk about our men and women that's out there protecting the city, you know, 24 hours a day or even our laborers that works at public works, I believe I wish I could give those guys and women more for what they do because they deserve it. And
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these guys even more competitive. And I just don't think you can put a price on making sure
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city ‸ is running adequately and serving our citizens as they should. So thank
you very much. My ‸ concern is I'm glad we have accurate and detailed information. That's all I'm gonna say to you.
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gonna call the question.
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Is that permissible? Do we have it?
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Not
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Okay, ‸ so, well, I want to sort of people because I, some people have done the research and I applaud them for that. But there's, there's some people that just really did don't know
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the projects that we have under this $8 million.
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I was definitely proactive in fighting for my district. And I'm not ashamed of that at all. We have streets in District 1 that haven't been paved in over 30, 40 years. We have, we never, ever had
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Not in certain parts. We're providing an actual park that, that can get rid of drugs and crime and we could bring safety to our community, which is Provost Park.
That's right.
We're doing housing projects inside of it as well. So, no, I'm not ashamed at all.
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Now,
now, now, I mean, we got curbs on Blake Street.
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So, I'm not ashamed of that. Now, now, now, do some people feel that the process could have been done better? Hey, you could have that argument. But I know, can we go back to the, to the dates of the, all of our meetings? Now, now, now, I do understand that everybody has a life. And I do understand that some people don't open up the newspaper. I do understand that a lot of people ‸ not on Facebook or whatever the case may be are not on the city sites. And I, and I understand that. But we have, we have multiple meetings for our budget. And I applaud the young lady for saying what she said. Next year, she's going to be on it.
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And
I appreciate that. Yes. So, we're not hiding anything at all.
That's fair.
Do you disagree with a, with a tax increase? I get it. I'm, I told them before,
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I live in the city.
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But when I look at my child, who's two years old, and now he finally, you can ride his bike and not have to jump over a curve.
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I'm not ashamed of that at all. At all. So I appreciate everyone, uh, emailing us, calling us. I appreciate them.
I,
wholeheartedly, I love the democratic process of, of, of debating back and forth. I understand it. But I don't want to pay any more either.
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I'm willing to spend another seven, eight dollars a month on my mortgage to make sure my community is taken care of properly. When I pick the phone up, I want police officers. When I pick the phone up, my house on fire, I want to see fire department there. We had time the last five or six years where we only had two officers working on the one of
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You might have three officers on shift.
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We're not in that position anymore. And I could promise you this. If I'm on council for next year, we won't go up anymore. I know a lot of people saying that, well, what's going to stop you from going up? It's not. It's not. And I do understand people don't trust government. I get it. I get it. I understand. But it wasn't three people making these decisions. All of us had ample opportunity to be in place. We have multiple meetings. We could have brought multiple solutions to the table. But at times, sometimes we like to argue things but not bring proposals to the table. That's all I ask is to understand that we're trying to make our city better. We live here too.
And we are.
We see the growth. I spoke to many people as well. Pros and cons of the race. So there's another side of people that don't mind spending if they can see progress in their city. And a lot of people are seeing the progress in our city. So I get the disagreement and I respect it 100%. I respect it. But I'm not a person that's, I'm paying as well. So I get it.
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There was an inaccuracy in his statement that needed to be corrected.
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All in favor, I say aye. Aye. And then nay.
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All right. We're moving on to the second portion of this, which is approved resolution 2021-088 adopting the final budget of the CIF for the City of Cocoa fiscal year 2022 commencing on October the 1st,
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2022.
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‸ Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yes, ma'am.
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to do by trim.
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which you can't have a budget until you have your military in place. And so now we're going to go over the budget itself. So again, we review the fund balance policy as we develop the budget, trying to make sure that we're balancing our revenues and our expenditures and then looking to utilize any excess fund balance for any capital for the most part capital or one time expenses. So first we took a look at revenues. So we go through revenue
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make revenue projections to determine what we think the revenue will be. So this slide shows you the change from fiscal year 21 to fiscal year 22. Um, general fund does experience an increase
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million dollars. Um, they decreased a lot of capital spending in the water and sewer fund, as you can see in the water and sewer renewal and replacement fund and due to the reduction in the capital spending. The water and sewer fund transfers money over to the renewal and replacement fund. Um, so that that's why you're seeing that reduction there. Um, if you'll take a look at this capital projects, uh, fund here, uh, that
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dollars.
That's a special revenue fund where we budgeted for the CRA COCO CRA to pay off the debt alone. Uh,
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Um, and so the health insurance fund also, you see this big
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That's because we went to, uh,
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uh, fully insured from a self insured. So state statutes when you're self insured says that you have to have a separate fund to keep track of the revenue and the expenses. And since we don't have that fund anymore, there's a huge reduction. So
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And that's a reduction
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So we look at revenues by funding source in a different way. We group them together in different categories. Um, you can see the taxes went up 1.1 million. The charges for services, which is, um, the garbage collection, which ‸ was a rate increase due to a increase in cost with the contract with the solid waste contractor.
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And then the other sources,
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And that's largely due to a decrease in the
interfund
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transfer from the utility fund. So,
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that. So general fund, um, revenue
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she's not. She's not finished. But, uh, Rebecca, can you back up a couple of slides to the, uh, the health insurance decrease?
Uh huh.
And you, you, you said that's a large decrease. And I don't want anybody to think that that's a large expenditure decrease. So talk about the corresponding accounting for, um, for being a fully insured program.
Uh, accounting records, um, show that, uh, when we have a health insurance fund, we have to transfer money into that fund from the different funds that have employees in them.
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health insurance fund. Well, now we're paying for that expense in general fund, um, because we're going fully insured. So we're going to pay a bill to Cigna as opposed to incurring the full cost of the, um, insurance claims by the employees.
Yeah, so, so because we are going from self insured to fully insured, there is a reduction in, uh, our insurance expenses, but
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where you talked about the solid waste contract and the solid waste contract has gone up,
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And so, um, you know, it's an expiring contract. Um, and, and the, the issue there is mitigating the size of the increase. And I think we did a pretty decent job in doing that relative to other increases in, uh, in the, in the county there. So just wanted to make those two points, Mr. Mayor.
Thank you. So then the next thing that we look at is the water and sewer fund in the same manner that we looked at,
um,
general fund looking at it by funding source. Um, there you can see the charges for services has an increase of ‸ about $2.6 million. And that's, um, due to the, uh, rate increases overall. And then, um,
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the, uh, non revenue line down here, um, that is actually the, those transfers using reserves.
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bond proceeds out of fund balance. And we did not have to do that in fiscal year ‸ 21
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those bond proceeds have been fully budgeted. So that's why you see a reduction in this non revenue of $4.5 million. So overall the utility
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Their final, uh,
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Next, we look at the stormwater fund. Um, you
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Um, and that is in the revenue. So that's the increase from the stormwater rates. The
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So we have to have a balanced budget.
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out with the expenses, trying to figure out how to have the revenue to match the expenses and or cutting expenses.
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we don't have the revenue.
Um, so you'll see these, some of these numbers look pretty familiar.
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Um, and again, um, taking
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the same.
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Then we take a look at the, um, final budget by categories on the expenditure side, just like we did on the revenue side.
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And that is the salaries and related benefits, um, due to the salary increases. So
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Sorry, I apologize. And
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Um,
so then, um, we present to you the capital budget. Uh, general fund is
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in public works. This is a listing of the things that were used. Uh, we did use fund balance to fund these, um, capital expenditures.
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Like I just showed you in the previous slide with police, fire, and public works. Um, if you'll note the pumper truck, um, that was ‸ on there that has been deferred. Um,
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by council to use the sign fund balance to buy that pumper truck. But we've been delaying that because we had already put in a grant and we were waiting to see if we received the grant. Um, and so I'll be working with the fire chief pretty soon because they pretty much, um,
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for the fiscal year. And it looks like we're going to have to utilize that fund balance to buy the truck. And then we look at water and sewer in the same way we look at by divisions. Um, you can see the water admin decreased.
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Um, that again is due to the reduction in the capital projects.
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And the expenditure budget is
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And then we look at it in personal services and there again, you see the $2.6 million in personal services, which is due to the salary increases. And then a reduction in
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And then in this other column, that's the reduction in the transfers. As I spoke about, and our fund transfers to fund ‸ capital. Um, so the, um, final budget and the variances are the same as I previously stated.
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Um, they have some different things planned for the dial.
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They have projects in engineering because they budget for their projects.
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And then other spending throughout their division. So their total capital
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And then this is the capital projects that they do have planned and the renewal and recitation. And
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think it was with this, no last fiscal year, we created a new fund because there's large fluctuations. And cap cost of capital for the utility fund. So what's funded in the water and sewer fund is more routine capital. And then this renewal and replacement fund is actually renewal and replacement of the infrastructure system. So that's why you see 5.5 million dollars budgeted in this fund. Um, which again is in engineering and in sellers. So their capital includes, um, this listing here, uh,
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And stormwater again,
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And again, total expenditures are balanced against the budget. Uh,
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Um, and as you can see, there is different, uh, the cured and pipe program, which they have annually along with some flow meters and, uh, outfall, uh, improvements and some other equipment. So looking at the final budget, the
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have in front of you is updated pay plans. Um, due to the five union negotiations that we went through and incorporating the salary increases that were negotiated. And then also the salary increases, um, that were provided to the non union employees. And also
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out from being underneath the city manager and being its own department, um, beginning in fiscal year 22. And that's a matter of accounting and
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So I'd be happy to answer any questions and comments.
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your address for us, please. And you have time to collaborate on this particular item.
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I will. Come on up, ma'am. If you name me your address, I will. Thank you for your commitment. Thank you. I appreciate it.
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And, um, when it comes to the budget, I just want to, uh, say one
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for that. What I would have appreciated as a citizen was to have been informed, to have been invited, to look at the different projects.
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Like, why wasn't there a more robust effort to say, hey, we have this unusual windfall of unspent funds. You know, here are some ideas. Instead, back when this conversation was happening, I did get a letter from the FDOT about the 524
improvement
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You know, I was skeptical. I called the lady from FDOT.
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informed about the process. But afterwards, I felt better and I felt like, oh, they actually do listen to the citizens, you know, and they actually do want ‸ the participation. And what I'm missing here as a citizen is the welcoming of my participation earlier in the process and to have the, you know, to find out afterwards that I missed out on hearing conversations where $8.8 million was allocated and almost a million of it going to a park that I drive by all the time and I never, ever looked at and said it needed those specific improvements. I feel left out. So I would really
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up going with some of these projects, but realize that
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this. What would you like to do? So I'm very disappointed and frustrated with this process. And
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like, oh, someone's actually, people got back to me. I could ask, you know, and, and so I just want to let you know the difference between two processes. So while I was missing out on everything that was going on here,
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remotely. So I get the whole budget meeting process that, you know, that's, that's been revealed here. I've sat through it myself. I was just in the wrong state. So I would have spent my time here had I known what I know now, you know, but once again, this all goes back to when you start welcoming public participation input, showing us the numbers, having this stuff.
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the agenda. I cannot hyperlink to it. The budget conversations are one empty page. That's the notice for it. There's very, very hard to find information, non recorded meetings. This all makes people suspicious. If this is all, if you guys are doing great things for the community, I celebrate that with you.
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So I feel disappointed by this and all in my comment, but I felt it's worth saying.
We have a process how we want people because at our meetings, well attended through the public and it was cross sectional. It was a diversity in there and I'm sorry you were not informed. But guess what? You will be informed because we go through a standard process.
It was just such an unusual year this year with $8.8 million, you know, that got allocated and that I'm getting a million dollars spent next to my house and I didn't even know.
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Just a couple of points there. Each
of your meetings are
advertised to the public.
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Yes, sir.
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We had our Twitter page. We had our website. All of the avenues that we use to communicate all of our meetings.
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So
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I'm saying there's still scarce information in spite of that.
‸ Those
are not
legal requirements that she actually outlined.
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I
understand that you met the legal requirements. I'm not protesting that. I'm saying that more could be done to help engage citizens.
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legal requirements and we met the non-legal requirements. We went above and beyond.
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Every household in the city. Yeah.
So ‸ that's above and beyond.
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What
is that? Yep. It goes to every household in the city. It's our quarterly newsletter.
That's ‸ above and
beyond.
We also
have them ‸ in the lobby. Yeah, that's above and beyond the legal
requirements.
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‸ is that not all the workshops are recorded. Obviously, minutes have to be taken and minutes are taken per. They're
not online though.
Okay. I
believe you, but they're not online.
‸ And I'll take that comment.
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Again, minutes are there and those are requested from the clerk there. But, you know, the other thing that I wanted to say to you, ma'am, in the dialogue back and forth ‸ there between the council members and myself there, we've actually saved a spot in the Citizens Academy for you. So if you want to take us up on that, I talked to Samantha about that and she can fully explain to you what the Citizens Academy is there. But ‸ you're welcome to participate in that.
And
‸ if you want to ‸ take me up on this offer also, I'm happy to sit you down and walk you through budgeting and finances, me and ‸ Mrs. Bowman.
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year, meetings next year, the budget meetings, that those would be recorded?
You mean the workshops?
The
workshops, that you can record those? Yeah,
if the council has no objection, that's a, you're talking about the video recording just to make it ‸ clear.
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Which
again is not required, ‸ but again, you know, again, to give citizens an opportunity to look
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And I always listen to the requirements and I get real astute about those, but I also know that the above and beyond is valuable, which is I think what you're saying.
Oh,
absolutely.
We're
transparent.
And Mr. City Manager, if I
can
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remind you that the workshops that you were speaking of were held over at the Civic Center. And I guess that's ‸ why they weren't recorded. Yeah,
we started.
Yeah,
thank you, Rebecca. We started, so obviously where we can record them, we will record them. You know, we started back in December and I don't think that was recorded also because that was at the fire station there. But, you know, meetings or workshops in this chamber certainly can be recorded.
Can you speak to why this isn't online in the agenda? This is such a helpful presentation.
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the agenda to it? Can anybody speak to that? ‸ I probably
can. As
a
process of
all
of our presentations?
Yeah, I can. There's a new city manager and they're learning to work with me and I'm learning to work with them. And so we're working up to the last minute to actually finalize the presentations. We'll do a better job of that in
the future.
And thank you on
that.
I
appreciate that.
I appreciate that
because that this would be helpful to citizens and that 8.8 million to Mr.
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point is is that that should be really easy to find to the allocation and actually Linda Dolphin had wanted me to, you know, to perhaps present that because she knew that the city wasn't going to do it. That was I was like, why would the city want to do that?
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And I said, I don't really want to present somebody else's work, but I think we're both ‸ might be both in agreement that having that slide and being able to say, here's my park money and here's a fire truck and here's all that.
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When all these people are talking about this money would ‸ be helpful to people. I personally actually have it. I posted it on your behalf on the Florida today or on the city website.
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So I have actually added a screenshot of it because I added to the transparency. Yes. Thank you. And I appreciate these comments. Thank you for this discourse. And I am interested in the Citizens Academy.
Have your face in the place with the human race? Okay.
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Can I please
come
forward? Please come
forward, ma'am. Please state your name and your address.
Hi, my name is Marlene Weiss
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I also have a business in Cocoa and I have been on the Sustainability Board for four years trying to figure out how to have a say, not in, ‸ as a public, somebody that supports public projects like the Community Garden, like the Brevard Museum. I have seen my neighborhood go down because money has been taken away from the fire station was the first thing, the trails were taken away. These are not high ticket items.
And
I was here at the budget meeting.
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when a lot of these things were being decided. So it's confusing to us. I just want everybody to understand. I mean, I've been trying to understand how to support my community for four years and it's just frustrating. After all of these years, I'm still not understanding how to have a positive effect. So I appreciate that you made a big effort to say that you do actually care about the citizens. And I'm excited because we have a lot of community support for the museum. We have a lot
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And the things like the parks where park
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And I just, I want to see the whole community, our whole city prosper, not just my area, not just, you know, one part of the community. So when you're thinking about services and you're thinking about where the money can go, please think about our community as a whole, the residents as a whole, and having those services.
And yes, you're welcome.
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unanimously.
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Staff is requesting direction related to the budgetary request and the draft operations and maintenance, leasing,
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and the City of Cocoa.
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Yes. So just to kind of recap on a little bit
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council earlier this year. And then at the subsequent budget workshop, council voted not to fund the museum into fiscal year 22. After that, we entered
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Center, Inc., which is a
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provided them the original contract from Florida Historical Society, had them make some changes ‸ based on what their needs may be to potentially take this over in fiscal year 22. So ‸ there's a few items here. There's six different items that we pointed out that we kind of need your direction on ‸ whether or not we proceed with that contract. I do just want to reiterate that next year we ‸ have no budget for this. There's nothing approved. So ‸ if we proceed without without that direction, we have to go that route right now. So we would
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disposition of assets. And then
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do with the property and the building itself. So I just want to kind of recap some of the past with that and then and move into some of these items. So the the six different items within that that lease agreement that were kind of noted by us as changes and what the original lease was with the Florida Historical Society. One is the removal of the trails. Originally, the Historical Society, they they operated and
maintained
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those trails. They handled the gates and everything associated with that. So if those are removed from the lease, that would be something the city would then be responsible for the budgetary impact of that.
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times a year for general maintenance.
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special event or volunteer process within those trail areas because they would fall under under our requirements at that point.
It
wouldn't go through the 501 3C. The next item and I'm going to go through all six and then if there's particular questions about each one, we can go through that. And I know representatives are here as well for questions with that. With the Florida Historical Society, that lease that began in 2019, it was supposed to be a 70 year lease. It ended up being a little bit less than two years. We're looking for direction on what the preferred term of that lease would be. If we just want to match that at 70 years or 10, 20, whatever that may be. And I think I'm sure the 501 3C would probably have some preference ‸ on that as well, but that'd be tough to forecast out that far. They're also looking for
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and operating expenses. So be their phones, telephones, various interior equipment and furniture and things like that, that they would need ‸ to run that museum. They're seeking a reoccurring contribution from the city. We discussed this a little bit, whether
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be reoccurring contribution from the city or a budgeted amount within the facilities department of the city. But that would be $30,000 a year and then assistance from the city to help evaluate and prioritize the repairs and capital replacements. The preference from our department, just if we're not involved in the day to day maintenance of it, that whoever the entity is that ‸ owns and operates, or not owns, but operates and maintains, they ‸ would get that money ‸ and handle their maintenance as they determine it needs to be done. That's similar to ‸ what's being done with the family promise and other leases as well. The next one is an initial six month contribution to cover their utilities. So this would be their ‸ power, water, sewer contract services of $12,500 and a possible contribution for the whole year of $25,000. So if they're not at the point in six months where they can fully operate and handle these services, they would like another $12,500 to get them through a full year. And then the last item is seeking assistance from the city to ensure that all ADA related requests arising out of the tenant's use of the lease premises are accommodated.
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can't put a budgetary impact on that without doing a full ADA evaluation of the building.
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Most of your ADA compliance came in the early 90s. And depending on what their use or modifications they may make in that building, that could trigger other improvements that may be needed. So it's just tough for us to put a number on that. You know, we'd be happy to help them if they want to look at certain items.
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You know, typically a consultant would go through a building and evaluate based on your ADA and life safety code and provide recommendations. But as far as a budget aspect for that, that's a hard number to ‸ put on because it can really snowball depending on what you're doing. So I know that's a lot quick. But those are, those were really ‸ the main requests that came out of that agreement that, that were a little bit different than the previous agreement that we had. And so we just, we really need direction from you all on.
And
if, if we proceed with this agreement and, and accept those terms or, or change those terms and, and renegotiate keeping in mind that on, on the first of this year.
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Okay.
Any questions for Mr. Smith? Mr. Brian Smith? The
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Right? Right. The new fiscal year budget. Okay. I have two cards in the audience. I have a question. Yes ma'am. I see you. Can you give me a minute please?
‸ I
got two cards in the audience.
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Hopefully I got it right.
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If we don't, um, come to an agreement, what is it going to cost us? First of all, we have a collection that we'll have to disseminate.
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get through the year, we could probably get that for around 15 grand. That's not operating it though. Um, that's just your contract mowing, keeping the power on for the air, air conditioner. We wouldn't have water there. Um, we'd still have our security and pest control. The actual disposition of the assets, that's something we would probably have to go out for as far as a bid. We tried that earlier this year and we got no interest in that, but we, we'd have to bring in someone to evaluate and, and value that I would imagine. Know exactly what we have.
Yeah.
Would you, I, I mean, I suspect it would be more than the total request here. As far as to dispose of to distribute the collection.
I'm not sure. I typically when, when we dispose of assets in the city, we, we go through an auction. So there's not a whole lot of costs to us on that.
Mm hmm.
So we, we would, we would probably gain revenue depending on the value of the asset. We just, we, we don't know that.
Okay.
Yes. Are you finished ma'am? Yeah. Thank you. All right. Any other questions for Mr. Smith or any of
the
staff members? Seeing none. Chair, let the closing support to council and over to the public. First, Ms. Phyllis, would you come forward?
Please,
ma'am, set your name and your address. Ladies first. My son and ‸ gentlemen.
Can you go first?
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My name is Wilson Timmons.
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‸ Seen a lot of changes. Most of them positive and ‸ appreciate what you're trying to do with the budget and the quality of life that ‸ we have here in Brevard. And part of that is our cultural resources associated with the
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‸ Speaking from a standpoint of a long-term volunteer, my wife and I have been volunteering at the museum since the 1980s. And part of that includes, she's a docent leading many, many school groups ‸ through the museum, talk about the exhibits.
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which is a group of volunteers.
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And part of their function is to raise funds for the museum. And we usually have a few fundraisers every year. And because of COVID, that got shut down about a year and a half ago. But also, I think when the Florida Historical Society gave up their lease and the city came, well, we were shut down.
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We're not doing fundraisers. So right now, the volunteers are, we'd love to help. But right now, our help is limited to trail maintenance, docents, helping out Ben, the museum director, where we can. They also have students from the college that come over and volunteer hours. So, I know Phyllis is going to speak in regard to the nonprofit and the pending lease. But we really do need your help. We'd like to get the museum back going again. It's been wonderful having it free and open to the public. But in terms of the cost to operate and maintain that, that's not sustainable without outside help. So, first we'd like to get the lease in place so we can get the fundraising going again. And the fees from the missions and operate the gift shop so we can sell things to help support the museum. I don't know that we ‸ can be 100% cover all the expenses, but we'll do the best we can. But we do need your help on this. It's a tremendous asset. We have amazing collection of artifacts from early Cocoa history and also the Wendover dig, space program. We have rotating exhibits that come through from other museums. And it's a popular area.
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It's on the radar from the school groups and especially the homeschoolers really like it. So I appreciate your time. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Timmons. Mr. Timmons, thank you for having an understanding of art.
Long night.
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explanation. I feel like I wanted to do something more positive. But it seems like I have to be on the defense. So I have my little pro con list that I prepared just in case. And regarding the trails, I don't know exactly what
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All I know for quotes for insurance is several thousand dollars. They classify it as a park.
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of normal operating hours of the museum, which really should be open to the public. I drive by there every day and there's usually a couple of people maybe waiting there almost every day to get in there to walk with their baby carriages and strollers and stuff through the area. So to me, it doesn't seem right to be part of the trails. If we wanted to do a function, we'd still have to get special insurance, event insurance for the function. It cannot be covered under the normal insurance if we got it as a park facility. Regarding the ‸ dollars that we're asking for is for assistance of credit card machine hookups, collection software, a point of sale system,
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The AC filters, I understand, need to be scheduled to be done.
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answering and answering machine. Some of the stuff that was taken from the predecessor. Yes, they had all the assets transferred to them, but things that were in, you know, inherent to the museum itself, they took. The utilities, we had talked about that in a ‸ meeting with the mayor and city manager about the utilities. I told you that and I'll tell you again, if we're able to be up and running before that six month period, I told you we'd be off the, you know, we transfer all the utilities.
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for is the phone system because the phone is right now, you know, with the city and, you know, it's encumbered in your, your phone service. So that would be transferred to the actual museum on day one or day two, whatever timing it is.
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it's unfortunate that the building that we, that we, that the museum is in has been to me neglected during the years.
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gave it
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roof repair, but they never put back the soffits, the fascia, the gutters. Those are not there.
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I know the, um,
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working with the fire marshal to get all the line items cleared up.
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So some of the, the capital improvements that we're saying the $30,000 is be like to get it back to where it needs to be, to be a, you know, a safe building. Not that it's unsafe.
I
don't want to alarm anybody, but you know, it's just certain things that should ‸ be there. When you're a person going to the museum, you can see on the right side of it. There's a whole bunch of rotten wood. Those are really just simple items that need to be done to your building. That's really what the line items that we're talking about.
And
the ADA actually came up in a conversation in a meeting with, with Bryant, um, and Kristen, the assistant attorney. Um, and we had talked about it
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he recognized that maybe the ADA and the parking lot striping and the entrance ramp is not, you know, correct. And of course we don't want anybody to trick or fall or anything. So that's how that even came up in discussion. So that's pretty much, you know, we talk about the points, you know, that he has. So you have a little more detail and more context, you know, to what we're looking for, for just upfront and nothing else.
Let me ask you a question.
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that was done. I already spoke to council like two weeks or ‸ two weeks ago or a month ago.
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That's been done. The website's up and running. I basically told you about the constant contact that we
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for the first time for the museum day. Pretty successful.
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18th.
So you have your qualifications and criteria, I mean your credentials.
Oh, yes, definitely. We're definitely up there. ‸ We have it.
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Right. Yeah. My other concern that I would ask is donations. Where are we?
Remember
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Well, a couple of things, you know, depending upon the timing of the approval for the lease, the first thing we wanted to do was do an event on the 23rd of October between 11 and 12. If the timing and everything's right, this is our first thank you to council. Thank you to the city for it. Barbecue. Type scenario at that time, we'll be able to start taking donations.
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We have several entities, namely one of my company is ready to make a donation. Sorry.
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long as they know that we're going forward with this. Several entities, several of my friends have pledged to give some dollars from their companies. So it's just a matter of getting the little pieces together.
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to do that, the art museum any longer. He's on board to help us. We have a history, a person who's a historian, ‸ an archaeologist that ‸ wants to help catalog the collection. So we have a lot of these things going. We just don't have a lease. We have nothing to start the momentum.
So...
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Okay.
I leave it down there.
And I didn't really think this was a large ask. Maybe, you know, with no offense, I'm not
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topic of the day.
Yes,
I'm just as passionate about my museum as Councilman Goins is about his sidewalks and the streets. By the way, my street hasn't been paved in over 40 years. I don't know who owns it, city or county, but it's been 40 years.
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rather originally, my heart, because I see the work and sweat equity you're putting in.
And cash.
Yes, ma'am, I get it. Originally, I would say flatten the building and put a comparable community like Quail Ridge Development.
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listen to me now. But how long ‸ do you think you could, well, a six months lease? Truthfully, but that's going
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of eyes stuck at me.
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well, you know,
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from city. Truthfully. Are we talking
about including repairs to the building?
Yes.
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Just let it go. What do you think?
Actually, right now, without now solicitating, you know, more people, right now I just got feelers out to what is actually, you know,
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you know, we need, we need people to do volunteers to then promote the museum and stuff. So I personally can't give a timeline, but I know the lease. If you're not satisfied,
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You know, it could be terminated.
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My intent is not to do that.
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sweat equity and financial support you've invested?
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Yes, ma'am.
The. Are we talking, you're talking about still doing the contribution for the first six months as we originally discussed or ‸ shorter timeframe, right? Yes. Okay, so I'm just trying to figure out because that's what ‸ I originally had in the budget, you know, as far as, you know, what the residual was that we had to come up with every single month.
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actually have to come up with in addition to the city using, you know, city contribution for the utilities that are currently in their, your name.
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And then in January, if, if it winds up being that
we are good, we did want to bring on a director person to actually be involved day to day and do what
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until you're in there and things get going.
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so much to the table. Thank you, because I can just see you putting your heart in this, as well as the other volunteers. And can you talk just a little bit about how this serves the community in terms
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of comments you're getting, even though it's anecdotal. ‸ I
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the museum. And like I said, the museum day was pretty successful. First time the museum, you know, my own doing, we don't have the lease, but we promoted it. And there was 53 people that came there that would never have been there without knowing about it through the constant contact and the Smithsonian. The visit a guest book has almost 100% positive feedback. It's amazing.
wealth of
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information, wonderful exhibits. Awesome. Love the scavenger hunt for the kids. Great docents, informative tours, and just, you know, on and on and on about how the accolades are from the ‸ community. Some of the people live here. Some of them don't. Most that have come here found it from signs on the highway, Google Maps, the trail magazine. One person who lives, one of the archaeologists I've mentioned before, that's going to be helping us on the collection inventory. And she actually lives in the area and she didn't know about it until she read about the museum
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But I contacted her from ‸ the actual guest book. I guess so it's really, you know, some word of mouth, some family members, but it is definitely getting out there. I know myself, I work out of Melbourne. Most people don't know about it. But a couple people I've contacted regarding grants per se, like for if I didn't do the website myself. I don't know if anybody has looked at it.
We
have 260 something people that actually accessed it within the past month, which is kind of like shocking to me. It's more than I expected. It looks good. But he ‸ actually went through, he was a chaperone at his child's fourth grade class, you know,
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of people out there that know about it. It's just a matter of getting the exhibits, which have to be rotated, have to be expanded, and then have to be publicized in order to get the community to come in, to donate, to, you know,
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You know, so we're funded that way, as well as some corporate sponsors. It's going to be a combination of both. Okay.
And secondly, I just wanted to make a comment because I noticed there was the strategic plan connection that there was, that was not applicable here. But I'd like to say it's very applicable that, in fact, the museum, the Collins Museum, they're a part of our ‸ goal to change the image of our city, to attract people here, to attract economic development. And sometimes we think that,
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matter of bringing the houses here. No, there's
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be, that adds to the culture. It adds to the attractiveness. And I hope we don't lose sight of that because when you consider that, working together with the other development we're doing, developing the Collins Museum, this is worth a lot more than the money that's being requested.
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when he was talking shop, I say to Ben, all the technical terms for what we have in the Ice Age room, he said it was so much better than the dinosaur store. Oh yeah. And he didn't even know about us until, I guess.
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But
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I'm saying is that this is the inroads that have to be made along the way. I mean, I don't know how much publicity and ‸ promo anybody else did in the past, but I'm all about getting the word out.
Yeah. Yeah. And just one more comment. Sure.
And
that is that, I mean, there are people, we've got a lot of people moving to this area now and they seek out these museums, I mean, for families, young families.
But
I just know that we have an opportunity to really showcase Coco through the Collins Museum, through this museum, and make it a more attractive place to draw people to. Madeline, thank you.
Excuse
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2019, reached me through Sam about the museum, the NASA exhibit, the shuttle.
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Florida Historical Society signed, and I guess the city hasn't signed yet because the possible transition, and she sent it to me ‸ to look at, because I asked for a draft to see, okay, what are we going to be responsible for? Well, it just says this little side.
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attached to them yet. I haven't been ‸ shown anything.
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there's insurance requirements on those.
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we go along because, of course, you can't be kind of full disclosure, I guess, as yet and stuff. Even the collection. There's, ‸ I understand, Past Perfect that was used in 2014 ‸ by the Brevard Museum, Inc., the original nonprofit.
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use it, so they started an Excel spreadsheet. And all that stuff was transferred over the city, but ‸ there's really no inventory, so we have to start that from scratch. And that's one of the things that we incorporated in the lease, that we will start that within 60 days, knowing that we might have to buy some infrastructure items to get that going and have the right people in place and the right resources so they know if it's a piece of cloth, how you tag it. You know, there's ‸ a whole bunch of
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stuff. But ‸ I know that he
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as in kind, is that currently some of the museum and sustainability people, ‸ folks from our group, are opening and closing the gates every day, sunrise and sunset. ‸ That's something we would continue to do if, and excuse me, the city was acceptable of taking the trails back in their, you know, in their area. Which, like I said, I don't know how much, I
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through the trails for the first time last week, and I was like, to me, it was totally overgrown. So I don't know what the Florida Historical Society did all the way in the back as far as maintenance of it. So, you know what
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To have a goal and to actually get out and get it done is, I appreciate that. There's a lot of things inside. Some of the bullet points, the six, like removing other trails in the city, taking it over.
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that because it'll still, when you say remove, Brian, what is that?
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It'll still be on the property. We'll still be maintaining it. But it'd be our responsibility for insurance or whatever else on that property, on the trail.
And it'd already be under our insurance just for the property insurance aspect. Okay. And then it would go under, for our volunteers,
it
goes under our workman's comp insurance if anyone was injured. And then ‸ special events as well. Depending if we hosted something, if another entity hosted, I believe their insurance would then cover at that point. And then the other aspect would that be the maintenance. It's minimal, but there is maintenance that would be required through there. Can I? Okay.
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I'll see the manager has something. ‸ But,
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is just going to be bare minimum. It's not going to get better. So, ‸ the real issue there besides the insurance is you don't have staff, additional staff, to throw at the maintenance of that. And so, it's just going to be bare bones maintenance.
Yeah. I mean, we'd more than likely have to ‸ contract that out. So, ‸ the maintenance isn't just landscape maintenance. Hold it, man. The boat walk as well as ‸ the sidewalk paths through there. We went through when we took it over and ground down a lot of the trippers. So,
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probably have to check that from time to time. But, ‸ the staff would be the issue.
Okay. To me, so this won't get voted down? Because I think it's a lot of unknowns. Am I wrong for thinking that way? Would y'all consider tabling this until we get more information on ‸ this lease?
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Then
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Go ahead, Councilman.
Mr. City Manager, I got a question to ask you. How much money is in sustainability?
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Sustainability.
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Is
it, are we on the same page, 225?
That's the latest one that I have.
Okay.
225. So, if, I'd like a consensus before I do anything else.
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problem recommending $50,000 to get them a jumpstart and give them a one- or two-year lease agreement. And she's got fundraising, and people's going to come out and get sponsorship. And
if...
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And this would guarantee the museum to be around, at least for this year, because it's cost $64,000 for us to maintain it. And they really, ‸ you know, getting the charity up, getting all the different stuff and stuff in place. They just really didn't have the time. And this way, they'd have the time, and we can watch. And if they make a great success out of it, then we're the heroes for going ahead and investing sustainability money in it.
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Motion,
sir?
I will make a motion to go ahead and take $50,000 from sustainability ‸ and get it over to the museum so it can stay operational for a year.
One year.
One
year.
And I'll second it, but only for discussion.
Okay. One moment, please, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. I'll give you the floor.
Councilman, are you finished?
Yes.
Turn
your light off? Yes. Okay, thank you. We have a motion
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$50,000 from sustainability. Okay, from sustainability.
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Is that okay by you, Mr. City Attorney?
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I just want to make sure we got all this squared away.
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supposed to use assigned funds in the area, right? That they're identified as assigned to?
The assigned fund
balance... Isn't there something in our policy that says, okay, if something's
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assigned fund balance, it should go toward that fund. It should go for that ‸ purpose.
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If I understand your question correctly, you're asking if because something's put in a
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fund balance, that's the only thing that it can be used for?
Well,
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was reading over it.
It's
just, I mean, we've stripped it. You know, the sustainability budget,
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that would leverage grants from the state, from the feds, and double its money. So we've stripped it. I am fine with using sustainability money, but we're going for the whole thing. Because I don't see how these people can possibly get off the ground just nickel and diming them. And that's a minuscule amount, particularly considering what we're spending on the Collins Museum.
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70, the total is 70 or is it 75?
‸ 70.
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and it be funded $30,000 for the next three years.
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You don't think so?
I'm just trying to. What is it? I
mean, what, ‸ because what funder do you go to and you tell them, I've only got a six-month lease? Are you going to fund me? Thank you. You know, I've been in fundraising. You've got to show some stability.
Say
one year.
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I
think if she's, her motivation's
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just get a major sponsorship and run with it and I'll amend
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I'm very inspired and thankful for your passion.
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and I don't see it often. I don't see the school buses there anymore. And I know it's going to take fundraising to keep this project going. And I want to say on record, I want to volunteer myself as a council person. If I can get out there, if you put together some events, even if
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willing to help out, ‸ you know, subsidize to get kids in there and make this thing a success, hopefully all council are aboard on that. If you put together some events, this is something great for the city to keep here. I volunteer my free days to come out and advocate for this museum. Like I said,
I'm
very inspired by your passion behind it. And whatever
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got to do, I like the idea Councilman Dow brought up. Let's do it. Let's put it together.
Appreciate
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the motion on the table was $70,000 one time for one year, which includes ‸ who's taking the trails?
Previously, the trails had a group of volunteers go through it quarterly. She is. Oh, don't.
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just let me, just ‸ whatever you decide on that, the motion should include for Rebecca to undertake all necessary budget transfers, amendments, or whatever she needs to affect the ‸ transfer of funds.
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Okay. To answer, I was going to say earlier, the volunteers that help with the trails already fill that applications with the city. You know, they ‸ are sporadic. You know, it depends on the weather.
It
depends on everybody's schedule. It depends on how often, you know, that things are out there. It would be really hard on a volunteer basis to make sure that they are properly done every single time.
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some of the planks of the boardwalk that was done. I walked it.
It
was good. But there's, I don't know if it's our folks or somebody else, there's piles of the planks still out there.
Yeah. They're just not done yet. Okay. But I'm saying,
I saw that. And during the, I don't know who cleaned out some of the areas, there's a lot of debris that's in the areas next to it.
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get a gator or something to grab all these things to bring out.
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and ourselves were in a meeting, we said, we have no problem being out there when you guys
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much. It's not just for, like, right behind. It's all the way down
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If we clean it up, a one-time deal and they take over, is that
easy?
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Well, I was going to ask Bryant ‸ just
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But also ‸ the issue of the insurance. So if you're operating under lease agreement ‸ and we own city attorney, are we still, I mean, what ‸ happens with the insurance issue?
Regarding the trails or regarding ‸ just the trails?
I
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Correct.
The property, as far as I know, I think it's now open to the public,
right?
Yes. So, you know, for all intents and purposes, you know, you have a city recreational trail.
Yeah.
And, you know, to try to then place the maintenance responsibilities on the volunteer.
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‸ I
mean, the liability exposure.
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events, like if they want to have boo in the park or something like that, or, you know,
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So for those ‸ special events there, I think that's what the issue was. No? Actually,
it's not. It's just a liability. Anybody could go in the trails and we're not there and they can fall
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get hurt. We don't demand power to make sure everything is the way it should be, you know, in 19 acres.
Well, I think what you're ‸ saying, ‸ the city attorney,
the
liability is still on the city regardless. Well,
as I understand, ‸ it's going to be open to the public
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be the difference. And so currently that's what we're doing. The trails are open to the public seven days a week, sunup to sundown. Previously, the Historical Society locked the trails on all the entry points and prevented the entry.
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And so I think that's what the difference is there.
Significant. And also bringing up the special events, we've been trying to coordinate with Eastern Florida's Rodiac Club for their haunted trails at the museum. Our insurance company, the main suppliers of insurance that you typically would go through will not do anything that's related to Halloween. So we ‸ had to go to a special market.
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Even by the
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strains, we did the trails, we would still have to get special events insurance for that type of activity.
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up with the museum maintenance costs for you, or as the mayor suggested, the one-time maintenance, one-time sort of
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maintenance and then turn it over to them?
It would probably only be a couple thousand a year. ‸ The trails, like I said, when we first took those over,
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We'll have the ‸ boardwalk pressure washed by the end of tomorrow. So that was a pretty bad slip hazard. And we got some boards replaced through there. As far as the vegetation right now, it's ‸ not in terrible shape
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Some of the hiking paths that are unimproved might be a little tight, but that's ‸ generally how hiking or nature trails are as opposed to the improved paths.
So, Mr. Mayor, ‸ if we sync the hours up, then we can take that issue off the table. So, um,
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this is
a two-day turnaround on the lease. So I'm assuming in the motion, Mr. Garganese, that they need to give you the authority.
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Yeah,
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mean...
To, uh, negotiate and finalize the lease.
Finalize the lease, but you have to sign it, Mr. Manager.
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that. That's the legal advice. Okay,
so can we agree on that, ladies and gentlemen?
Well, ladies
and gentlemen.
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Yes. Let's hope. You finished, Mr. City Manager?
I'm just making sure.
Okay, do you have it? Madam Clerk?
Yes.
Adam?
I have a question, though. Sorry.
It's
just a question.
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the opening and closing. I guess, from my simple brain. How does the trails only being open during museum hours help with maintenance reduction?
We're going to continue, right?
The way we're
doing it. Or maybe I misunderstood.
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focusing on the insurance with regards to the limited number of hours.
‸ Okay. Have there
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It's always
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ma'am.
There are a lot of people in the neighborhood.
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you're dealing with teenagers.
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Don't take that from the neighborhood. Everything
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We have a motion on the floor. ‸ Let me make sure
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all on one accord. Ms. City Clerk, you're squared away on the motion.
Aye.
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Mr. City Manager,
you
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squared away. Yes, sir.
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Mr. City Attorney,
is
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squared away on the motion. I
think the motion ‸ was
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Yes.
I'm assuming that part of the motion would be to authorize the City Manager to negotiate and finalize the lease with consultation with the City Attorney? Yes. Yes.
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And then all of the budget stuff, that's correct? Correct. Okay.
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All right.
I can't get amen, y'all? Amen. All right, thank you. All right, you got it.
Thank you.
All in favor say aye. Aye.
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Go forward, young lady.
Thank you. Appreciate it.
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Can I have permission to put you all on the constant contact?
Yes.
So you have all
the events and all the activities we're going to be doing?
Yes.
Okay.
Make sure you connect it through the City Clerk too as well.
We all need to coordinate some of the redirection of the website addresses and stuff like that.
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I apologize for him.
That's
all
right.
He's not mine,
but I apologize for him. There you go. I'm going
to
hold that person down there accountable to
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All right, let's move forward. The next item.
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between the City of Cocoa and
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I want
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tireless effort but commitment to make it happen.
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Dream work is teamwork. Thank you.
Mrs.
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Thank you.
So good.
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All in favor
say
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aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Next no-brainer. Item number two. Approve the contract revision of the three-year contract between the City of Cocoa and Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Association. Lieutenant's for the contract term of October
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What are the wishes of Council?
Motion to approve. We got
a motion on the floor by Councilman Dowell
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Just gonna ‸ call the question. All in favor
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have it unanimous. Third one. Third and final one. And I'm gonna ‸ tell you why. Staff recommends the approval of the following resolutions.
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a revised master fee schedule for the City, facility rentals, special events, and parades.
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Approving a revised form
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Agreement. Number 3, resolution. Number 2021-092. Approving a revised form
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Thank you, sir. Again, a lot of these changes are to update based on the special events ordinance that you guys approved on second reading earlier in the meeting. It is to update our applications for both special events and facility rentals, as well as our fee schedule, with those few changes that were made to the ordinance. And then also the addition of things like the Lee Winter Park and the Heart of Cocoa Community Meeting Room to those things and just some minor adjustments to those applications. And if there's any questions, I will be happy to answer. Thank you.
We've got a motion on
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no call.
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question,
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unanimously. Item number four has been omitted because of the advice of Administrative Services Director. Go ahead Mrs. Jemani.
Yes sir. I'm requesting to postpone this item until the October 12th meeting. Okay.
Thank you very much.
At the request of the...
Okay. ‸ We're just postponing
it.
It hasn't been advertised yet.
Yeah. It doesn't get advertised until the second reading.
Okay. Chair, ‸ make a motion that we table this particular item. Second. October ‸ 12th, correct?
We're just making administrative changes with the fire pension actuaries. That's why we're tabling it.
Yes.
October 12th.
Yes. Thank you. All in favor, we're saying aye. Aye.
Aye.
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as have it unanimously. Next on the list,
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want to say thank you all for your endurance
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a long
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tedious night, but you all have
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that quality services for the citizens of Cocoa. And it's been very challenging, but cream always rise to the top. So I
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Just like Councilman
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prayed about. Advisory boards and committees. Going
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and administration. Yes,
Mr. Mayor, very quickly, Mrs. Singer, and then very briefly, the fire chief.
Could you say that a little more excited, sir?
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Go ahead.
Thank you, sir. I just wanted ‸ to remind everyone, we've been posting this on our social media pages and our website as well, that we do have a railroad closure on Michigan from October 8th, starting at 7 a.m. till 7 p.m. on Tuesday, October 26th. So I just wanted to make sure citizens were reminded of that closure. The detours will either be to the north on 528 or to the south on Dixon. Thank you.
Thank you.
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Mr. Mayor. So,
yes, sir.
So, today, we've had 78,479 positive cases in Brevard County of COVID-19 with 1,603 deaths. Let's talk a little more about vaccinations, because I know that's what a lot of your decisions are hinging on right now. 57% of the state of Florida have been fully vaccinated. ‸ 58% of Brevard County residents have been vaccinated, so that's a little over 3,000 of our residents.
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herd immunity at this point. Just to kind of bring it home a little bit more, most of you know I came from North Florida, sort of
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Green Cove is where I'm from.
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He was a police chief for the city of Green Cove. So I just ask that you keep the city of Green Cove, their police department, and certainly that family and your thoughts and prayers. But that kind of gives you a little more perspective of that it's still out there and we're still a long ways to go. As far as hospital rates concerned, just looking at it today, if you look at our hospitals, our local hospitals here, they are still hurting. They're more than 70% to 80% capacity in their ER beds and in their ICU beds with positive COVID-19 patients. And we continue to see the numbers increase as far as our young people are concerned and our kids with COVID-19.
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Something is going to take place. ‸ I just want to need a consensus so that the city clerk and the staff can get, make whatever special
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we need. You know, we
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And I just need some direction for you.
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You can go from left to right or right to left.
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If you want to have it, say yes.
Yes.
Yes. One, two, three. Yes, sir. Okay.
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Okay. Okay.
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one
item I forgot and I'd be remiss if I ‸ actually didn't bring it out there. ‸ The budget office under the leadership of Mrs. Bowman and Mrs. Howell received for the third year in
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Thank you, ma'am.
And that, Mr. Mayor and council members, that really means something in governmental budgeting and accounting. There are a number of criteria they have to meet with regards to receiving that. And they've done that and really
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Thank you, ma'am. I
really
appreciate the effort that they put forward. They did that even under while we were utilizing a new system, a system that was new to them. And so that's quite a feat. And ‸ again, just thank them for their work. ‸ And I really appreciate their efforts with regards to the budget. Thank you, sir. If
I could add that we got, didn't have any,
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We had no, doesn't meet, everything was proficient or outstanding. And we had like 10 outstanding items.
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We had 10 outstanding items.
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Super Attorney. I'll report tonight, Mayor. I'll report. Okay. We'll proceed in this order.
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Hey, thanks for that great neighborhood gathering the other day. Uh, with the chief and Carlton Terrace and gosh, I don't know what you're going to do about Alex. He just vowed that he wasn't going for new taxes next year. So,
uh,
anyway, um, yeah. And just one quick correction in terms of, um, your statement before.
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I participated by phone for part of one, but I was in a trauma center for one of those where the monies were spent. Okay. So let's just be real about that.
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Anyway, that I'm looking forward.
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And no, we all know a lot more now. And, um, I think it'll be a good one. That's all.
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Uh, I
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start my report off by,
uh,
yeah.
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If there's any mistake about what tigers I'm talking about, I'm talking about those cocoa high tigers. All right. Good game.
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Um, other than that, I just, I don't think I could thank the guys, uh,
uh,
you know, staff enough. Uh, all the department heads, chief lamb, chief collier. Um, if you could just relate to the guys and women, I thank them for everything they do every day. Um, you know, even our in-house laborers, our tech guys, um, they put in a lot of hours to keep this city rolling. And,
um,
I'm very thankful for them. Um, and that's all I got for reports this week. Um, I just can't thank, thank those people enough.
Thank you. Thank you very much. Say it again. Oh, okay. Council district number three, three.
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Uh, make this short and sweet. Good night.
Good night. Okay. From district
one, number one in my heart. Why? Because
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just a couple of things. Uh,
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Is there any way, um, we can attach pictures to each violation for the, those particular addresses? Um, I think I, I kind of briefly said something to you about it before, but I kind of, I didn't go in detail. But a lot of citizens are being, they don't really understand when they see storage outdoors. They, they don't know.
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So they don't really know exactly. So most of the
time
they'll rip it up and throw it in the trash. So if we can add pictures, if that's possible.
‸ Yeah. We're looking at that because we do take a lot of pictures when we violate people. So we do have the pictures. So we just look at how we can make that better.
Okay. Thank you. I appreciate you.
Okay.
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I didn't necessarily mean that
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Right. So I said, we all have opportunity to be at those meetings. That's what I really was talking about. So your situation
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we all know, we all know the situation. You got ‸ an accident. We get it. Uh,
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We still have a job to do and we chose to do a particular job. Some people may didn't agree with the process of what we chose to try to do that job. But nevertheless, we chose to do that. Um, so I just want to kind of say that. So it was no disrespect to you. We could, we understand that you wasn't there. I get it. Um, but, but also I'm sticking to my guns dealing with, um, bringing things to the table. Um, that are, that are solutions.
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I was talking that we, we do discuss a lot of things.
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may be, it, it kind of, we just end up just talking about it and we have nothing to, you know, go forward with. So I appreciate council. Like I said before, I'm not ashamed of the money that we spent. It is what it is. It's done. A lot of people in our community, maybe not all communities, but there are a lot of people that appreciate what we did. So, um, last
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Um, I discussed briefly, briefly with you last week
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football parking lot.
Um,
could you kind of give me an update?
Yeah, it was, it was mainly a budgetary item. So they originally only planned to pave the one parking lot in the back corner near the maintenance area. They had some additional money left over. So they did the full loop.
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We have asked them just what that cost would be. So we, we know for future reference what it would cost to pave that. The other side of it too was they tried to identify the areas that were real low and tended to flood. And
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it rains, there's some puddles, but it drains a little bit better than some of those back areas.
Oh yeah. Um, so did you like I told you before
in our conversation,
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it's just the optics of, um, um, when you see everything paved except for the area that we're in, right? So, um, if, if, and then maybe it's a city manager conversation
too,
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dealing with a budget process, maybe some partnership with the county, um, whatever that looks like I'm getting a lot of calls about it.
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he's seen it too.
because
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he coached out there. So, um, and, and also the basketball goal. Um, I called Gary today, but he wasn't in the, uh, is twisted.
because
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I think that it's not, it's not screwed onto the pole correctly or maybe this
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broke.
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‸ Yeah. It just need to be adjusted.
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Uh, Jolie Smith, the South. Yeah, the South's
gold.
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you'll see it twisted. The outside ones. Yeah. Stop them. He, he tried to dunk, but he didn't make it,
but
that's all I had. I appreciate you.
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Also thank the citizens also for, uh, being involved in this budget process. Uh, even though some people, you know, felt like they was late or whatever the case may be, we really appreciate, um, all the, the conversation back and forth. So thank
you for that.
Thank you
very
much.
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Couple of people I would like to recognize.
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That's fine. It'll
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County.
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He served
his
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community well.
Um, he dealt with it dating back
as,
as far as 1960s and the 1970s. And his name is Mr. Hallbrook.
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I recall him as a young spud when I had an afro.
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and prayers go out to his family. But he's a pillar in our community.
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of Cocoa and also the great city of Cocoa. So we salute you and we say thank you to you and your family.
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Reed Sims. She taught at, um, Monroe High School. Onset Elementary. She also, you can tell she's the tender age of 94. She just celebrated her birthday. So she's 94 years young. And to the Sims family, we say thank you.
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So I know somebody in the back of their mind ‸ saying, hell wow. Hell wow. Also, I would
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I forgot to mention this last meeting for being appointed to the young elected officials. Um, I think it was last month. And we want to say kudos to you, sir. You represent the city
well.
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I
want to say thank you to all the staff. Job well done, my good and faithful servant. You served the people well.
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be overbearing. But you always persevere like
diamonds. You convert.
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Because of pressure. And you got us
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And I respect you. But I want to tell you thank you. While you can hear me. And it's coming directly from my mouth. That's not what you mean to me.
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last but not least, South Carolina
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Located in Orangeburg, South Carolina.
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Get vaccinated. Stay healthy. Say your prayers.
And
take your bite.
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