Planning & Zoning

Planning & Zoning Regular Meeting

Date
2021-10-06
Status
City minutes and machine transcript available
Source
CivicClerk event #428
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The City's record

What the City's record shows

Built only from the City's minutes (462_PZ_Reg_Minutes_10_06_2021.pdf). Page numbers are the minutes' own. Discussion is in the minutes' text; it is not summarised here.

Attendance (the roll call)

  • Listed present when the roll was taken: Michael Dobrin, Al Washington, Todd Anderson, Marilyn Green, Susan Mock, Russell Sengel, Justin Simpson, Aleck Greenwood, Debbie Joyce
  • (Checked against the ballots and the printed roll lines; no independent membership list of this board is available to confirm that the roll is complete.)
  • Listed absent: Jeri Blanco, Jesse Heredia
  • Also listed as present (staff and other roles): Kristin Eick (Board Attorney), Alix Bernard (Interim Planning and Zoning Manager), Monica Arsenault (Recording Secretary)
  • Named on at least one ballot later in the meeting: ANDERSON, DOBRIN, GREEN, GREENWOOD, MOCK, SENGEL, SIMPSON, WASHINGTON (participation, which can differ from the roll: arrivals and departures are in the minutes' text)

Adopted actions (5)

  • to APPROVE THE OCTOBER 6, 2021 AGENDA AS WRITTEN (moved by GREEN, seconded by SENGEL); PASSED 8-0; ayes: DOBRIN, WASHINGTON, ANDERSON, GREEN, MOCK, SENGEL, SIMPSON, GREENWOOD; nays: none — the City's minutes, pp. 1–2
  • to APPROVE THE JUNE 2, 2021 MINUTES AS WRITTEN (moved by GREEN, seconded by MOCK); PASSED 8-0; ayes: DOBRIN, WASHINGTON, ANDERSON, GREEN, MOCK, SENGEL, SIMPSON, GREENWOOD; nays: none — the City's minutes, pp. 1–2
  • to AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE THE $50 FEE AN INTIAL FEE AND THEN REQUIRE A RECERTIFICATION EVERY YEAR AFTER (moved by GREEN, seconded by ALTERNATE MEMBER GREENWOOD); PASSED 7-1; ayes: DOBRIN, WASHINGTON, ANDERSON, GREEN, SENGEL, SIMPSON, GREENWOOD; nays: MOCK — the City's minutes, pp. 4–5
  • to RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL OF ORDINANCE NO. 14-2021 AMENDING CHAPTER 5, ANIMALS AND FOWL TO ALLOW FOR BACKYARD CHICKENS TO INCLUDE THE BOARD’S AMENDMENT TO THE ORDINANCE (moved by ANDERSON, seconded by WASHINGTON); PASSED 7-1; ayes: DOBRIN, WASHINGTON, ANDERSON, GREEN, SENGEL, SIMPSON, GREENWOOD; nays: MOCK — the City's minutes, pp. 4–5
  • to ADJOURN THE REGULAR MEETING OF OCTOBER 6, 2021 (moved by ANDERSON, seconded by SENGEL); PASSED 8-0; ayes: DOBRIN, WASHINGTON, ANDERSON, GREEN, MOCK, SENGEL, SIMPSON, GREENWOOD; nays: none — the City's minutes, pp. 4–5

Money named in the minutes' motions (what each motion did with the amount, in its own words)

  • $50 — P&Z: decided in an adopted motion. “AMEND THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE THE $50 FEE AN INTIAL FEE AND THEN REQUIRE A RECERTIFICATION EVERY YEAR AFTER” (motion result: PASSED; the City's minutes (462_PZ_Reg_Minutes_10_06_2021.pdf, pp. 4–5); fiscal period not recorded)

Agenda (the City's wording)

The City's agenda for this meeting is on file (PZ_Reg_Agenda_10_06_2021), but its item list has not been read reliably by machine yet, so no outline is shown.


Transcript Partial transcript

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‸ Michael Dobrin,
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‸ Al
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Washington,
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‸ Todd
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Anderson,
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‸ Thank you.
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Okay, thank you.
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I pledge allegiance
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to
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the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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Okay, our next task is to approve the agenda for this evening. I'm sure everyone has looked at it. Do we have any comments? Any additions?
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I motion to
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the agenda.
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We have a second? Second. Okay. All in favor say ‸ aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. And then we get to the minutes. The minutes of the last meeting in June, four months ago.
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‸ And
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you're doing well, if you remember off the top of your head everything that was discussed. I
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But,
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uh, okay. Does anybody have any comments about the minutes additions, deletions? Anything at all? Okay. Do we have a motion to approve?
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Motion to approve the minutes.
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Okay. Motion to approve. We have a second? I second. Okay. Thank you. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. And now we're going to get it to the heart of our meeting. Uh, well, we have old business. And we're going to get on to the new business now, this high-tech world we live in on discussed chickens. We're not talking about the people that serve in Washington, but anyway, I didn't say that.
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Okay. Uh, you're on.
[00:02:30] Speaker 6
Good evening.
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evening. So, what you have before you tonight is an ordinance in regards to backyard chickens. Um, just to, to start you off, um, and give you a little background. In, uh, February of 2017, the city implemented a backyard chicken pilot program that was, um, um, in place from February of 2017 to 2019 to, as a trial run to see how it worked. Um, it is my understanding that there are two, uh, residents who participated in this process or program. And,
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to this. So, um, that, that did not participate in the proper process as far as having chickens in their backyard. So, um, ‸ it has been brought before us again to look at making this a full-fledged program as opposed to just, um, the pilot program that was, that we had from 2017 to 2019.
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you look at the proposed ordinance, there are currently,
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could have these chickens if they so desired. So, um, I put together a little map just to kind of visualize for you guys what that looks ‸ like as, as far as looking at the city as a whole. Um, you can see that there are, it's the majority of single family residential homes. That's basically what it is. Um, and, and so you can see that in front of you. And then, um, I'm going to go over some of the highlights, um, from what was previously presented at, if you want me to go back to the map, Alec?
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Ma'am.
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Were you trying to look at the map?
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Oh, that's what I was looking for. Thank you.
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Okay.
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Thank you for.
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It's right
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there. Well, now it is. It, it was before.
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never
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know. Is
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that all
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That is, that is a combination of three. Okay.
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So those are three zonings that, where you're allowed to have the chickens. So we'll go over some highlights from, um, what that program looks like and what's in, uh,
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being proposed is that, um, basically, um, it, you would have to obtain a permit. It'd be $50. Um, you have to have evidence that, you know, you've gone to, uh, university of Florida ag extension class and, and know how to take care of these chickens. And, um, the idea would be that you could have up to four chickens on your property. And I say chickens because it should be noted that not roosters, only chickens. Roosters are very loud. Chickens are not. Um,
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is that the chickens must be kept in coops and
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certain distances that they would be allowed. So you couldn't have it, um, abutting your next door neighbor to the left and
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Yes. Um,
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So, um, in your backyard, 10 feet.
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from the
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If you had side neighbors, um, they have to be enclosed. You can't have them in your front or side yards. This is literally backyard chickens. Um, the other thing is, is that this is for your own personal use. This is not for commercial consumption. You're not going to start a chicken farm on your property. Um, and that, um, the coops also must be screened and enclosed. So, from your neighbors. So, the idea is not to adversely impact the neighbors around you if you desire to go through with this program.
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Um,
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yes.
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Can I ask a question? Thank you. Uh, the complaints. I'd like to know what, with all the guidelines that you're supposed to follow to be able to have the chickens in your yard. What were some of the complaints? Because, obviously, that's not a noise. Roosters are not allowed.
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Well, I think that it, it, I don't know the exact details. You know, I just followed up with code enforcement and said, have you had any, what, what's the status of what's happened? And my understanding is, I think it, it was like, well, the neighbor next door has chickens kind of thing. And so, then they have to go and investigate and find out if they did and, you know,
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um,
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then address it.
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Thank you. What about people that might have things other than chickens say a duck?
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I know
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Okay. Well, that's different.
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‸ that's county, so. Okay.
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Um,
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but, um, this is only addressing chickens. There's been a big movement in the past, I would say, five to seven years to allow people to have their own fresh eggs.
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And,
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um, there's a lot of people out there, um, it, that have a desire for this. Yes.
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why are we making this an ordinance and not a code?
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So, what will happen is that this will be an ordinance that's presented before city council, and then it will be put into our code after the ordinance is adopted.
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Well, I guess it's the $50 thing that gets me.
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have
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I don't have to pay $50 to have a dog, and dogs are louder than chickens. Hmm. You know what I'm saying? So. It's like it's a tax if you want a chicken.
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Hmm.
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‸ So.
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never thought of it as a, you know, homeowner. Right.
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So when, when the, um, pilot program
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And so now it's been
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staff time as far as putting together, um, the permit application and making sure that they're in compliance with their coupes.
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But you know. I.
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I.
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I argued against that $50. I still argue against that $50. It makes no sense for somebody to have to pay the city $50 to have four chickens.
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Well, now four chickens in my backyard. Plus the coop
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and all
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that
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stuff. I mean, that's just don't make no sense to me.
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No. Well, you do kind of,
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they're supposed to have a rabies shot. But. I just think that's silly to charge people if they want a chicken. That's for four chickens. Yeah, man.
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That is a lot of money. And I remember without mentioning that, uh, that he, there were other people that agreed with him, but not enough for the vote to go. And it was reduced from 75 to 50, but he was on the opposing side as well. Back then.
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Can legal advice. What's that? I wondered if you could advise us.
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gonna.
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Yeah. I'm sorry.
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‸ I was going to say, um, so unlike a dog or another type of pet, um, this ordinance does contemplate that there's a site inspection that goes on with the coop and everything. So I think that's where the idea of the.
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I could understand getting a building permit to build the coop.
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I mean, theoretically, if no, I could have a chicken in my backyard. Nobody
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me in. You guys would never know it. That's why people don't get permits and stuff. That's one of the reasons.
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can and cannot do when you do decide to have chickens and where they're located and all that.
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Well,
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that might be part of it.
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I'm just saying.
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‸ The
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costs
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of
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staff. I would say you need to say, even though you went over it with us. You got people that think they can have four chickens. Well, they don't realize a rooster isn't a chicken. I'm just saying we're talking general public here, which is it needs to be stated in there.
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Okay,
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it is. It's a it's actually several pages back. And who do you think is going to read several pages back?
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I understand that as well. I think I think maybe one of the things that maybe need to be brought up as an instead of. It needing to be a permit to have the chickens, maybe it's a special $50 permit for the coop. So that way you're not paying a building permit fee and then you're also paying a fee for the chicken coop. That's the right thing you need to build your right. Correctly. So you still need to pull a permit for any structure built on your property within city limits. Yep. And then maybe we can try to restructure that and just make it a special fee for the coop itself and file that under the license of having the chickens.
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you also get inspected by the city to make sure it's up to code. You also have to pull all those certain permits,
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else.
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just make it a chicken coop building fee and just fall out under building and permitting?
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have backlash at the city council meeting for people saying, well, I don't have to pay a fee for my dog.
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other than having them as residential pets who are offering them eggs, because they're not allowed any commercial type of access. And then on top of that, you know, when you come forth with dogs that breed. I mean, as long as they're not being bred for sale, there's no real regulation on that either until it becomes a problem.
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who want fresh eggs. I just see that
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it getting kicked back and then you have to start the whole process over again.
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Okay. Just aren't you glad you had this meeting?
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No, I'm sure she'd rather be at home.
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no proposal for. For fines of the foul being cut loose.
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So my understanding is that would be handled by code enforcement. And it would take the standard process just like any other code that would be in violation.
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So any other code for, say like stray dogs, stray cats. Or just any other violation. That's animal control.
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That's animal control, exactly.
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That's what I mean, that's what
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So ‸ whose jurisdiction would this fall under, say the chicken gets out from their coop
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Well, and so that's where code enforcement comes in. And so that's where that process would start.
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I can see that causing a lot of problems. ‸ I just wish my neighbor to clean his pool and I can't get him to do that.
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Yeah.
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If someone actually has five or six chickens, they're in a coop, they're quiet. But are we really going to spend resources to send people into backyards?
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You have drugs sold openly on street corners. Yeah. What are we going to do? Chase down a chicken? Use police animal
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control?
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you know, blah, blah, blah. He can't come in my backyard. The only way he can see it is if ‸ he goes in your backyard and takes pictures.
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Well, I let my code enforcement guy in because I want the mess next door. ‸ He's right. If my
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neighbor, if my neighbor has a fence and I call city ordinance and city ordinance shows up and says, well, they have a fence. I can't look in their backyard because I can't see.
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be on the side of my house. Can you check my roof to make sure it's within the city ordinance? And oops, he looks over there. It would be the same thing for a, um, for an illegal search. It wouldn't be disclosed. He wouldn't be able to get any fines.
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No, they can look. Um, I mean, if from a, from a neighbor's property, if they can, you know, they, they had a ladder, they could look.
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camera up. Yeah. I mean,
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okay. Okay. So I can't have a city ordinance come to my house and look over in somebody else's backyard if they have a fence.
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‸ Yes.
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Okay. When you had complaints in the past, was it due to noise or smell or what was the reason for the complaint?
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Um, I don't know the reason for the complaint. I don't have the specific details of the, of the complaints. I just know that there were four of them in that two year period. So.
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right.
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I would say four chickens is a lot.
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I think you have a question. Yes. Um, is it an annual permit or just a one time permit?
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Um, I believe it's an annual permit. Most all of our permits are annual permits.
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It
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got better. And I have to tell you that this is, this is pretty standard for the course. We have a lot of these annual permits that in different scenarios, um, that are done by policy.
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chickens and it was before you before. So.
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Other communities.
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Sure. So
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I can, I can speak to Rockledge and Rockledge.
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Um, provided that you have a permit and that you are in compliance with code, code enforcement. So,
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I believe almost every municipality in Brevard County already has this on the books.
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They don't charge in the county.
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Yeah. So, um.
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It just says how many you can have for the size of your lot. Right. I mean, four chickens on my little bitty lot is a lot.
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I
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run into it a lot in real estate, you know, Melbourne, there's chickens everywhere. They have the coops, you know, um, it's more a placement of where the coops are. Right. As I understand it. Um,
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that's, that's really all I know.
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like that. And I like Ybor City and New Smyrna and Key West to nail it. The chickens run. So I'm not very good about this.
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Do they?
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Did I hear you correctly that it's not a one-time $50 fee to be able to have chickens that you have to pay that yearly?
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It's a, it's a, it would be an annual fee, yes. And the idea is that there are some times that you might have chickens and you have them for a period of nine months or so and then you realize that you've moved or, you know, things have happened. And so it's really a way for us to, to keep up with what's active and ‸ current.
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way it covers you from now on.
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correct? Otherwise?
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Yes. Who
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knows what people have.
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Well, it is more code enforcement over, to oversee it. I mean, it does make sense to, that's why it should be a code.
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of code enforcement responsibility.
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So this is the start of making it a code, is that it has to be an ordinance.
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Yeah, but
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so it's sunset in 2019, February of 2019. And so when it's sunset, no more. There was nothing that addressed it, which is why it's back before you today, so that it can become an official code. And, and be on the books.
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As a code.
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a code.
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Gotcha.
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That's what, yep, what we're doing right now.
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Al, would you feel better if it was a building permit?
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the fee was attached to the building permit?
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One
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thing, I have no problem with.
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of money for a chicken.
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You're glad to
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amend the wording to make it a one time payment. If
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it's a one time thing, I can live with it, but I still think it's too much.
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yeah.
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Okay. Well, you make it a one time code over five years or ten years.
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That
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Well, I'm sorry, in ten years you'll be dead.
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I thought five.
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Well,
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but I don't think they last that long. I'll have to watch that. ‸ At least we're having fun with this.
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I know. Take
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your buckets.
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So we could do like a one time fee and then a registration after that. I wouldn't be
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inclined to that.
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pay a registration fee. Every year? Yeah.
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No, the idea would be is that you, the first time you do a registration fee and then each year you come back, it's just like a recertification.
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Right. And
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So will they need a permit for the coop?
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Yep.
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Because they got to check on the chickens. I
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mean,
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come out there, they check on the coop, right? Because it has to be so far from the sidelot lines. I'm being serious. Right.
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Yes.
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If there are no complaints from neighbors and all is peaceful,
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why
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should someone come back each year to register? You don't register your dog or your cat.
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Oh, I do. You do. Yeah. Yeah. I register them every year with the Sheriff's Office.
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Okay.
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it could be the fee and then the registration. Is that what you were saying or did I misunderstand? So,
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the idea being that when you first establish this, ‸ is that there's a $50 fee and then the next year when you go to ‸ recertify, it's just we confirm that, yes, it's still exactly the same, you know, without that fee
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will the fee
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the coop or is that going to be a separate fee because it's a structure going on a property? So,
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that would be handled with our
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Once they pull a permit, then you don't, if you don't make any alterations or whatever to build the
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coup,
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then it's fine. It's just that whenever you make any alterations, you have to go through the ‸ permit process. ‸ There's things that need to be done to the coop. So, I think that it does need to be separated and I'm comfortable with that also.
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you pull a permit to build a house, you build it,
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you know.
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four chickens, you're only going to need like a four by eight, you know, coop. It's going to be made lightweight. There's going to be dog houses that are built better than this that don't need permits.
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I think you're getting a little bit too far into the weeds on this.
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that you buy already assembled at Harbor Freight?
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Yeah. I
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think it's more to educate people where they're located, Russell. The setback requirements and that kind of thing.
[00:25:46] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Well, and so ‸ that's the idea is that you go out with that inspection, that first check-out, you know, and you go, okay, so this is, you know, in the center of the yard and it's that 10 feet back from the, you know, rear of the house and... Side
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here.
[00:25:59] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Right. Right. And to make sure that it's all properly established. And so that can be done with that registration fee that we talked about a second ago and maybe not necessarily with a building permit.
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Well, then after you inspect it, they're going to move it.
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I have no control over that.
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I'm not sure.
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Yeah, it's
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rear side.
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they?
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Well.
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On these small lots.
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And I don't think the city should even be involved in that. You're
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right. I mean,
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we're
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overmanaging. I think you're right.
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[00:26:54] Speaker 9 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Yeah, sorry ‸ to be clear. I think on the building code issue, it really is what whether or not it is exempt under the we don't the city doesn't have control over that, right? The Florida building code is set as state law. So it's an issue of whether or not it there are applicable building permits that need to be obtained based on what they're installing and whether they've changed, you know, making modifications. So that's really not something that I think the board should be as concerned about. And and the ordinance just provides that they would need to get any applicable building permits to the extent that they're necessary.
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I
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and call it a chicken.
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Right.
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mean, ‸ I think it would depend on what what it is they're building and the building department would look at that and see whether or not as building permits necessary or if it if it is perhaps exempt.
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[00:28:02] Speaker 5
Mm hmm. So if people register each year,
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what
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happens if they don't come back in to register, you know, me when the house is sold, the coop is there, you know, but the owners don't register because they know they had to or
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they've
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moved.
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[00:28:27] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
‸ So typically what we do with other policies in our office in regards to following up on an annual basis is that right around this time of year, October, is that we go, oh, that's right. They have their, you know, XYZ from last year. So let me go and follow up with them and see if they're still in business. This is ‸ business related, of course. See if they're still in business and if they're still doing whatever it is that, you know, the registration is for. And we've had really positive feedback from from going that route. And so I think that it would be handled and addressed in the same exact manner. We just add it to our list, you know, of the
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‸ enforcement people.
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that's when we turn it over to.
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‸ Okay,
[00:29:23] Speaker 3
I think the main question or issue. Was that $50
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So we have an amendment. Would you like to make ‸ amendment for some time?
[00:29:36] Speaker 8
Yes, that, uh. Make the $50 just a 1 time thing and registration every year if
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We're talking to one time. Oh, Susan, you were opposed.
[00:29:53] Speaker 2
Sorry. Yeah. I don't like the way it's written. Because it's going to end up causing you problems, I think. That's my personal opinion. Okay.
[00:30:04] Speaker 5
At first sight, it looks fairly similar, you know, to, to many of the cities that I've looked at these in because I've looked at them.
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have?
[00:30:21] Speaker 6
There are rules about how many, how many cats or dogs that you can have. I don't know that rule off the top of my head. But there, there is definitely a
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Yeah, everything's on the Unicode. I know. And I can, I can follow up with you on that information if you'd like. I'll research it tomorrow and email you if you'd like.
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I'll tell
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you in the town that my son lives in. They had our son and his family had turkeys, ducks, chickens, and, huh?
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that. But no, they had those.
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Because these things make so much noise. It's unbelievable. You know, you just make a slight noise and all the turkeys go, ugh. But they don't have any ordinances there at all. And that is a, that's a nice development. And the other people kind of building the fences, not a good thing. So, codes can be helpful.
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the wording you need to make it a one-time fee?
[00:31:30] Speaker 6
Yes, we do.
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Okay. Yeah.
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Are we ready to make a motion then to approve it
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fee?
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we just did. Yeah.
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Okay. All right.
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[00:31:58] Speaker 6
Oh, I'm sorry. So,
[00:31:59] Speaker 9
I just want to clarify. So, the motion was, I thought was just
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[00:32:10] Speaker 7 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
I don't think it was to accept the ordinance.
[00:32:12] Speaker 9
Right.
[00:32:15] Speaker 7
Oh, the, the call on the question.
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question was only for the event.
[00:32:20] Speaker 9 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Yes. Okay. So, you would need another motion. Yeah,
[00:32:23] Speaker 3 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
we're going to make a motion to approve the staff recommendation.
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Okay. Thank you. And
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so we didn't have the public participation.
[00:32:35] Speaker 3 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Okay. I realize there's probably not a lot of public interest at this time.
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Thank you.
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Okay. Okay.
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call it
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[00:32:51] Speaker 3
With a one time fee, uh, we have a motion to approve that
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ordinance 14, 2021. Okay.
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Second.
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All in favor say aye.
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Aye.
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Opposed. One opposed. Understood. Okay. Okay. We're good on that.
[00:33:17] Speaker 6
Okay. So,
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just
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hope we don't spend a fortune trying to enforce unless it becomes a really public nuisance.
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Right. So, um,
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little packet of just kind of giving you an update, um, about where some of the, uh, projects are, um, that have been going on and, um,
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And so this is, um, this is everything that planning and zoning is looking at as far as what's on our radar and our, and, um, the things that ‸ we're focusing on on a daily basis. And,
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If you have any questions, feel free to email me or call me or stop by and I'd be more than happy to answer anything for you that, um, I can.
[00:34:15] Speaker 5
This is great. Thank you.
[00:34:18] Speaker 6
You're welcome.
[00:34:20] Speaker 3
I have, I do have a quick
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What's it, it may be in here.
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the hotel? Um, my understanding is that they have, they're really close to their, um, time that they're supposed to be doing a site plan submittal. So we're looking for that to be submitted any day now.
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Did the developer miss the timeline?
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Um,
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we're like really, really ‸ close. And so that's
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And so she has all of those dates on the back of her hand.
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Uh,
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old bank building and put something down. I forgot what it was, but when I came by there, just coming here, I see a gas tank there.
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So you're talking about the corner of Clear Lake and, um, Michigan. Yes. So that is a small scale site plan.
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um, because of the size. And so it will be a Murphy oil gas station. That is, I believe owned by Walmart.
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we changed the zone in on that area before.
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Okay.
[00:36:02] Speaker 3
Right. I don't recall exactly.
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I don't recall exactly what it was, but it wasn't no gas station.
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No,
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Okay. Just been nosy.
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Are there other major problem? Any other problems with
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[00:36:27] Speaker 6
Um, you know, this, this map in front of you really kind of deals with what is, um, up and coming. Uh, some of these are already under construction, but the majority of them are, um, are up and coming. And so, um, you ‸ know, a lot of times people will
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would be helpful to everybody, not only to us as staff, but as the public who asks and says, you know,
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what's,
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what's going on at the corner of Clear Lake and Michigan, you know, we can, we can look at the map and go, oh yes, that's the Murphy.
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growth and development, like we do right now, having a map
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is, is vital to our success to be able to speak about it.
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Well,
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in my neighborhood, that thing they send out to everybody, something's going on and I don't recognize it here.
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‸ Then there's a little shell station to the north right there by Friday road. They're wanting to build houses behind that.
[00:37:40] Speaker 4
Mm-hmm.
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That
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was a council meeting, wasn't it, Alex?
[00:37:45] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
It was the council meeting, um, last week.
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But
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them
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Yeah. That was
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zoned for houses about 15 years ago.
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‸ Yeah. Yeah.
[00:38:01] Speaker 6
So.
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and the city.
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[00:38:11] Speaker 9
Yeah. Yeah.
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All I know is they are demanding everybody show up at the meeting.
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[00:38:19] Speaker 7
It's funny how people that already have nice houses don't want anyone else to have ‸ nice
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houses.
[00:38:23] Speaker 2
Mm-hmm.
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Very funny.
[00:38:26] Speaker 2
I don't think they're ever going to start on those there at the old Winn-Dixie Shopping Center.
[00:38:32] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
So they actually are pulling their demo permit. Oh, are
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they?
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Yes. They're
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right.
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I just talked to them. No, I
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know that, but everybody says, I thought you
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said. Right.
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Well, that's what I get for thinking. Yeah.
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We are apparently the only board that still sits separated like this, with the tables and everything out. And so I was hoping to see if we could see how everybody feels about going back to the pre-COVID meeting.
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Monica and I talked about it this afternoon and wanted to know if you guys had a level of comfort or if ‸ this is the
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thing.
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me.
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I
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think so.
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Has
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everyone been vaccinated?
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Do
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we have anybody that's not been? Well,
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that's the point I wanted to bring up. The city still requires us to have masks in public locations like we're in right now.
[00:39:41] Speaker 6
Right.
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And they're extending it every month or so. And it was also considered for events, whether we should require people to wear masks or not. It seems like it's still in the air.
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leave it like it is only because of the number of members. If the city changes the requirements of the mask, then I'd be more inclined, I guess. And if the ratio of the cases, it looks like it's going down, but I don't know if it's to continue as well as it has been. That's
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my only concern. Maybe I'm not vaccinated. I am vaccinated. Well, I'm not. But that doesn't mean ‸ that's my choice. Right. But that doesn't mean you can't catch it.
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vaccinated.
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not to wear one out when I go in a store or wherever I, a restaurant, wherever I put my mask on.
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Sure. So for the time being, we'll leave it the
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So we'll just leave it the way it is until and until we get further direction.
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this.
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That's correct. We could
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have a separate seating area, perhaps for those who remain unvaccinated.
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They have a right not to take the vaccine.
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But they can be
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in
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the room.
[00:41:20] Speaker 6
Right. So at
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a separate table or whatever. Right.
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So respectfully, Chairman Doberman, we could, I'm sorry, we could leave it like it is now or we
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go back to the way it was before. And those are our two options. So we'll just leave it the way it is now until we get further direction. Okay.
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A
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lot of us. Yes. I apologize.
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Just out of curiosity, why is it your only two options?
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And so,
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the normal. I don't know if that'll ever be
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right now. So that's, that is all I have for you guys this evening.
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Okay.
[00:42:06] Speaker 6
I can guarantee that we will meet.
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we definitely meet?
[00:42:17] Speaker 6
Absolutely.
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will meet on November 3rd.
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So, um, we will definitely have an agenda for you for November 3rd.
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Okay. Very good.
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Well, we're not, are we at other business right now? Uh-uh.
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She wants to go.
[00:42:39] Speaker 4
Alec, did you have something you wanted to? I wanted to see what input that the staff might have in reference to where other businesses for tree board update.
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members.
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So, for the tree board update, I will tell you that we are in the process of recertifying for this next year our Arbor City, um, USA, uh,
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to have that submitted by, uh, November 12th. Mm-hmm. And we are in the process we should have that done in the next week.
[00:43:13] Speaker 4
Okay. There was one other question that I had brought up at the last meeting, uh, maybe no one remembers, but on
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there was a tree removed that a lot of the commercial property owners had, uh, had very serious concerns about it. Nobody was notified of it. All of a sudden the tree was gone. And I was curious if you had time to even fool with that Alex.
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No, she didn't forget.
[00:43:39] Speaker 6
So, um, perhaps you can call me tomorrow and I'll give you an update about that.
[00:43:43] Speaker 4
Okay.
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Yeah. Okay.
[00:43:45] Speaker 4
All right. And I guess that's it, unless there's open discussion by the board,
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they'd like to bring up.
[00:43:51] Speaker 3
Okay. If there's no further discussion, we'll entertain a motion to adjourn.
[00:43:57] Speaker 7
Motion to adjourn.
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‸ All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed. Okay. We're adjourned. Thank you all.
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