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Police Community Relations Advisory Board

Police Community Relations Advisory Board Regular Meeting

Date
2022-10-12
Status
City minutes and machine transcript available
Source
CivicClerk event #408
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The City's record

What the City's record shows

Built only from the City's minutes (426_PA_Reg_Minutes_10_12_2022.pdf). Page numbers are the minutes' own. Discussion is in the minutes' text; it is not summarised here.

Attendance (the roll call)

  • The minutes' roll could not be read for this meeting.

Adopted actions (13)

  • to except the findings (moved by Boettjer, seconded by Committee Member Thomas); PASSED — the City's minutes, page not read
  • to except the findings as is (moved by Boettjer, seconded by Committee Member Weiss); PASSED — the City's minutes, page not read
  • to except the findings as is (moved by Committee Member Weiss, seconded by Boettjer); PASSED — the City's minutes, page not read
  • to except the findings as is (moved by Committee Member Thomas, seconded by Committee Member Weiss); PASSED — the City's minutes, page not read
  • to except the findings as is (moved by Boettjer, seconded by Committee Member Weiss); PASSED — the City's minutes, page not read
  • to except the findings as is (moved by Committee Member Brown, seconded by Boettjer); PASSED — the City's minutes, page not read
  • to except the findings as is (moved by Boettjer, seconded by Committee Member Weiss); PASSED — the City's minutes, page not read
  • to except the findings as is (moved by Committee Member Brown, seconded by Committee Member Bookhardt); PASSED — the City's minutes, page not read
  • to except the findings as is (moved by Committee Member Weiss, seconded by Committee Member Brown); PASSED — the City's minutes, page not read
  • to except the findings as iss (moved by Boettjer, seconded by Committee Member Weiss); PASSED — the City's minutes, page not read
  • to except the findings as is (moved by Boettjer, seconded by Committee Member Weiss); PASSED — the City's minutes, page not read
  • to except the findings as is (moved by Committee Member Brown, seconded by Committee Member Weiss); PASSED — the City's minutes, page not read
  • to adjourn the Regular Meeting of October 12, 2022 (moved by Boettjer, seconded by Committee Member Brown); PASSED 5-0 — the City's minutes, page not read

Motions whose printed result and vote count contradict each other — unresolved (1)

  • to except the findings as is (moved by Committee Member Weiss, seconded by Boettjer); FAILED 3-2; ayes: not read from the minutes' text; nays: Brown, Edmon — the City's minutes, page not read Unresolved: the minutes print "MOTION DID NOT PASS (3-2) Ms. Brown and Chairman Edmon was Nay": 2 nays are named, which makes the count 3 ayes and 2 nays, so the result and the count contradict each other, and this site does not choose between them. (the printed result and the vote count disagree)

Agenda (the City's wording)

The City's agenda for this meeting is on file (PA_Reg_Agenda_10_12_2022), but its item list has not been read reliably by machine yet, so no outline is shown.

Transcript Partial transcript

Machine transcription of the meeting recording. The words are the recognizer's, except where a passage is marked as corrected or machine re-recognized; most have not been checked against the audio, so words, numbers and names can be misheard. It describes what was said. It cannot establish who voted how, an amount or an outcome — the City's minutes do that (above). A time links to its passage, and “Copy link” copies that link. No recording can be started from here.

Speakers were separated by voice. A plain name rests on evidence tied to that voice; “provisional” is a name from an earlier text-only pass and is not verified; “Speaker N” is an unidentified voice.

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I don't
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know if there's anyone else that
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out one of these cards and hand it to this fine young lady right here to my left, then we can address it.
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Yeah, they're outside on the right.
[00:01:12] Speaker 1
My mic was on, but I don't really hear it. ‸ It is now 6 p.m. My name is Alton Edmond, and I do hereby call this meeting to order. At this time, please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. Mr. City Manager, you mind leading us?
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Yes,
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sir.
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Yes, sir.
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You hear you.
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I
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pledge
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allegiance to the
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flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation,
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under
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God,
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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you so much. You may be seated. Oh, I'm sorry. Could you please remain standing? I apologize. Indication, sure. Mr. Betcher.
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If you don't mind, bow your head, please. Father God,
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we
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are here tonight.
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care, and protection of all the good
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We ask this in your son's name. Amen.
[00:02:30] Speaker 1
Amen. You may be seated for real this time.
[00:02:34] Speaker 7
And Councilman Goins just called in.
[00:02:38] Speaker 1
Oh, perfect. Roll call, if you will.
[00:02:44] Speaker 7
Yes, sir.
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[00:02:48] Speaker 1
Present.
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[00:02:50] Speaker 7
Present. Alvin Bookhart.
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Here.
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Kathy Hamilton Brown. Here. Demetrius Thomas. Present. Marlene Rice. Yes.
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[00:03:11] Speaker 1
At this time, do we have our minutes from May 26th? Where in the
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[00:03:28] Speaker 8
There's no minutes from that meeting in your packets.
[00:03:31] Speaker 1 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Oh, okay. It's on our agenda to vote on it.
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[00:03:49] Speaker 8
I got them today, but I thought they were already provided to the clerk's office and to you. I got them today, this afternoon.
[00:03:55] Speaker 1
‸ It's not a big deal. Usually, paper copies are provided so that we can review it if anyone hasn't reviewed it before we vote on it. So we'll just table it and we'll vote ‸ on the approval of those minutes with the approval of the minutes from this meeting at our next meeting.
[00:04:10] Speaker 6
‸ So let's waive the reading of them anyway.
[00:04:13] Speaker 1
Yeah. So we'll waive the reading of those minutes since we don't have them at the moment. And we'll move on to number three on our agenda of the committee discussion of our
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[00:04:36] Speaker 1
I open the ‸ discussion? Excellent. Hearing none, we'll move forward. Our first case, case 21-10-IA. The date of the incident was March 20th of last year. Does anyone have any, I'll now open the discussion to the committee on this particular item.
[00:05:16] Speaker 6
Having read the complaint, we have discussed this in the past and I don't see any new information that would give rise to anything that we need to pay attention to as a committee. So I would motion if there's no further discussion that we accept the findings.
[00:05:41] Speaker 1
I hear a motion. I hear a second from Mr. Thomas. All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? The motion to accept the findings. Thank you.
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[00:06:09] Speaker 1
Moving ‸ on to item number two. The number
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I will open up the floor to the committee for discussion as to that item.
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Having read the report and noting that the officer involved after investigation, both by the State Attorney's Office and
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Thank you.
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staff about, not this item specifically, but I guess a general thought that came up as I was reviewing it. Something that I've noticed just in my profession is that there are officers sometimes who participate in misconduct, they resign before they can be disciplined, and then they just go apply and work for other departments.
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when someone participates in acts that are certainly open to disciplinary action and that are likely to result in disciplinary action, is there any safeguard such that any agencies that want to hire that person in the future is ‸ made aware of the fact that there was an open investigation and what it's about or anything like that?
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agencies, when they
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that
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has resigned, it will state under IAR investigation, and then what they'll do,
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refer back to the police agency when they're doing the background
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investigation and make a determination whether they're going to still move forward ‸ that particular person,
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depending
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upon what the allegations were what the discipline what the discipline
[00:08:34] Speaker 1 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
was going to be at the time. Okay, thank you. So so there
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are safeguards to answer
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your
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question. Yes.
[00:08:40] Speaker 1 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
‸ Thank you, chief much appreciated
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[00:08:47] Speaker 1 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
I don't hear any comments or concerns from any of the committee, but the floor is still open if there is. otherwise I'll entertain a motion to accept as is I
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make a motion
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all in flavor All in favor, please signify by saying aye
[00:09:05] Speaker 6
aye. Aye.
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Any opposed? Motion to accept item number two sustaining
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[00:09:41] Speaker 1
Robin Vieira Gonzalez passes unanimously at this time I'll open up the floor for discussion as it relates to item number three
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I
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That's on the chemical agent used at a training facility. I
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think
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there's one question that comes out of this and I'm gonna ‸ direct that to the chief ‸ that's okay chief we noticed in here the the type of chemical agent that was used in that training ‸ exercise inadvertently. Has your department gone through their inventory on all of this and made sure that this type of thing wouldn't happen again?
[00:10:28] Speaker 1
Yes. are you at liberty to discuss what steps were taken to ensure that this doesn't happen again?
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yes so we
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have
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and not to use those chemicals because he had more knowledge about it and plus he was an instructor so
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[00:11:26] Speaker 5
but we put ‸ concrete practices in place to ensure that this did not happen again that
[00:11:33] Speaker 1
makes a lot of sense because I do understand that there are issues with potentially disciplining an officer for actions that don't violate any existing policy and if, in fact, the policy doesn't exist.
[00:11:48] Speaker 5 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
correctly okay Yes.
[00:11:50] Speaker 1 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Thank you, sir. Much appreciated, Chief. do you have any is that answer your question fully? It
[00:11:54] Speaker 6
does.
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[00:11:59] Speaker 1
at this time I'll entertain a motion hearing no further discussion as it relates to item number three
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signify by saying aye. Aye.
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Aye.
[00:12:23] Speaker 1 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
Any opposed? ‸ motion passes unanimously
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um
[00:12:30] Speaker 1
I apologize to anyone in the audience that may be a little confused I don't know if you all get uh summaries or anything of what we're discussing. um And and so, I mean I guess I can read a little bit of it so that you have an idea of what's going on but um but basically uh we have had an opportunity to review complaints that were made against law enforcement officers um in
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[00:13:00] Speaker 1
PD. and we can make recommendations to leadership staff about uh the disciplinary proceedings and whether they were sufficient um whether they were deficient and uh and we can make recommendations about what we think or what should have happened or should happen moving forward and so I will be more cognizant of that usually we don't have very much attendance and
[00:13:24] Attribution uncertain
we have a lot of
[00:13:24] Speaker 1
attendance for these meetings but I'll be more cognizant of that uh seeing that we do have an active audience this evening
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[00:13:40] Speaker 1
off duty and returning to Brevard County from a bar in Daytona Florida a probationary officer Jamie McGowan was operating a motor vehicle recklessly causing a crash that resulted in a significant
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[00:14:07] Speaker 1
But I'm going to open up the floor to discussion from our committee. If they have any suggestions to law enforcement, to command staff about what happened or what should have ‸ happened. I will tell you before I open up that discussion, I'll start myself.
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[00:14:30] Speaker 1
a poor representation of Coco PD. Uh, I don't have any suggestions on what leadership should do
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[00:14:41] Speaker 1
And so that's where I will leave that. I'll open up the floor. Is there any further discussion from anyone on the committee?
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[00:14:54] Speaker 6
When you got the information on this officer, uh, you made a determination yourself to do an extraordinary termination. Uh, was he charged later on?
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[00:15:13] No voice detected
Yeah.
[00:15:18] Speaker 5 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
So this officer was on probation. Uh, he had been, we had hired him maybe a couple of weeks prior to this incident. And because he was on probation, um, and he was DUI, he had the blood levels too high. Uh, he was terminated. Uh, but FHP is the, is who handled the case.
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[00:15:43] Speaker 5
So that, that case was totally on FHP. Okay.
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Uh, we ensured that because the memo that when we sent the information to FDLE and, and, uh, cause we did an internal affairs investigation. Um, and so then we charged him with
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So that's a serious offense. It goes to FDLE. Then they make a decision whether they're going to put a certification. I can't remember if they put a
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or not yet. You know, I don't
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meetings quarterly, different cases come up. Did they make a decision whether they're going to pull that particular officer certification? So I'm not sure if that has happened yet.
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But it's back to what you just talked about earlier. If he went to become a police officer somewhere else, it'll, it'll be flagged and then they'll reach out to us to determine whether, uh, they should move forward with him. Um,
[00:16:48] Speaker 1
thank you, sir. And I, and I do see that, um, that the investigation reflects that his, um, blood alcohol level was almost double the legal limit.
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that you took in and I appreciate, uh, your candor today, chief.
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I, I, I gathered a question really was what, uh, the, does an opportunity arise for him to come to work? For you again. And, and, uh, it will be my understanding that when you submit the form to the FDLE, it would have
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not, uh, uh, ‸ criminal charge as well as an administrative charge. Yes. Yes. And you wouldn't hire
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would not hire him.
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Any follow-up discussion as it relates to that item? No. At this time, I'll entertain a motion for the approval of the findings in item number four. Do I hear a second? I hear a second. All in favor, please signify by saying aye.
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Aye.
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Any opposed? That motion passes unanimously.
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case ‸ number 22-01-CC. The brief synopsis is as follows.
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complaint alleging that further former officer Joshua Cordero used a wrong date of birth in an arrest report in 2019. Uh, and the CPD case number is given. Um, the, uh, investigation was made by Sergeant Bradshaw and the conclusion was that the, uh, the complaint was unfounded. Um, at this time I'll open up the floor for discussion as it relates to item number five.
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if the employment and issues were resolved for the gentleman that had made the complaint?
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Um, I believe in the, the full report they did, uh, follow-up. They corrected the information.
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Yep.
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And it was, uh, related to a technological or scrivener's error. And so, uh, the agency wasn't, or the officer wasn't really at fault. It was just a technological, uh, error. Uh, we know that smart technology sometimes isn't so smart.
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way that it was handled in the, you know, with the most help that they could, um, to make sure that the, the man that was obviously dealing with that was able to, you know, have that resolution.
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guess he has a letter. He had that letter. So I was just wanted to check on that.
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ma'am.
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Thank you. Oh, you're welcome. Any follow-up discussion? Am I hearing, is there some input that you'd like to give? No, I just
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wanted to say it was, like you said, it was a technical error. The officer put the actual date of birth incorrect, but the way it came up on the computer, it was wrong, and the sheriff's office didn't recognize it, and the officer didn't recognize it.
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to another agency, but that's exactly what happened. It wasn't, it wasn't any ill will done on the officer's part.
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Thank you, Commander. Any further discussion as it relates to this item, item number five?
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At this time, I'll entertain a motion as it relates to this item.
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I make a motion to accept the findings.
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Thank you, sir. Do I hear a second?
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Second.
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All in favor, please signify by saying aye.
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Aye.
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Any opposed? That motion to accept the findings passes unanimously. Moving on to item number six. The complaint number is 22-02-CC.
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Officer Ben Landis and Officer Amanda...
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with a G.
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Goush. What's that? Goush.
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Goush.
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Mr.
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referenced case number... He
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ultimately exonerated based on the investigation, further investigation into this matter. At this time, I'll open up the floor for discussion on this item to the rest of the committee.
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Thank you, sir. We'll get...
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Are you familiar with this particular one?
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That's why I was just looking for Sergeant Bradshaw, because he's the one who did the investigation. No, it's actually Lieutenant Bobay who did the investigation. He no longer works for the agency either. I can read the case and try to provide any input that you have or you may want on it.
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Well, I remember reading this one and basically there was a difference of opinion as to the complainant and the alleged victim.
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observations were different than the complainant's observation. And they supported the victim's observations. And so based on two witnesses, one of them being an independent and uninterested witness, law enforcement or at least leadership determined that the complaint was not sustained and was, as a result, ‸ the officers were exonerated. ‸ So ‸ I didn't see ‸ or read anything that I saw as suspect. And so I don't have any further discussion as it relates to that. But that's my recollection of what I read.
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Yeah, as I'm reading and I'm remembering the case now. So the incident happened in 2021. I think the victim at the time weren't very cooperative. And then if you see the difference, he came back next year and wanted to file a complaint that the officers didn't didn't do what they had. They should have done.
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occurred. And he went on his way, wasn't very cooperative.
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the beginning. And he wanted us to change what occurred the day of. And that was his original complaint. And I believe it was because of some medical bills that that showed up that he was trying now to get compensation for.
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I remember reading one thing in this complaint that jumped out at me. It said that body cam footage was not available because of the lapse in time that it passed.
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Correct.
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So, you know, there are certain things that are five years or, you know, traffic crash, things like that are up to five years. So we have different designations when an officer is done with a case that they assign it to the specific folder that that is set up for that retention period.
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Okay. Okay.
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a year or six months?
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Like, yeah, like traffic stops are only 90 days. Okay. So, yeah, you have ‸ different times for all different videos.
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Okay. I did. Okay. I noticed that.
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Any further discussion as it relates to item number six questions, comments, concerns from the committee?
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I'm just curious. When you have someone that's being a little, say, aggressive or resistant or hard to get information out of, do you have policies or training to deal with that kind of person? I'm sure you do.
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We deal with those people every day. Every day. But if you're a victim, we can't, you have to be a cooperative victim. And ‸ a lot of times when you have a situation like this, mutual combatants, it's a he said, she said. So sometimes one side doesn't like to hear that there's nothing we can do outside of an independent witness or video or some other evidence to prove who the primary aggressor was. It's really just a documentation issue.
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So.
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So we do twice a year de-escalation training.
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So
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we train our officers on how to effectively deal with those competitive individuals, whether they're victim and or suspect.
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Well, I'm just thinking, seeing as how you deal with these people on an everyday level, and I'm just wondering if maybe there could be more trainings and ways to even spot if there's elevation in, say, the police officer that you're working with.
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just going on one ride along, I could just see how easy it is to, you know,
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And ‸ you're just, that's just the first call you get. So I'm just wondering if there's maybe more than twice a year or.
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Well, I teach it in the academy now. That's part of the basic academy. Everything is de-escalation and, you know, trying to calm the situation down.
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So, yeah, there's a lot of training on it. The officers get a lot of training. There's retraining on it. So that's definitely, you know, a high priority in the police field at this point.
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Wonderful. Thank you.
[00:28:06] Speaker 1
Excellent. Any further discussion on item number six? At this time, I'll entertain a motion.
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accept the findings. Do I hear a second?
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All in favor, please signify by saying aye.
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Aye.
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Any opposed? The motion to accept the findings as it relates to item number six passes unanimously. Moving on to item ‸ number seven. And just as a reference point for those seated here, we have about, we have ten items on the agenda. And after we, after we go through those ten items and discuss them as a committee,
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have comments and concerns. I've only received three cards at this point. Uh, and those comments will be limited, um, to two minutes. Um, particularly for these three, normally we give, normally we give three minutes, but for these three matters, we're giving two. And the reason why I've, I've decided that myself is because
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settled and voted on as a committee and have already been discussed in a prior meeting. And so we're going to limit the time, uh, to discuss an issue that is already closed to this committee, uh, but you will have an opportunity to be heard. Item number seven.
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stated that on March 3rd, 2022 officer Nolan yelled at the complainant while responding and investigating a
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the complainant again at the police department. At one point, officer Nolan raises arms and slammed them against the desk, scaring the complainant. The complainant stated that she was afraid and left the police department. The investigation was conducted by Sergeant Anthony Colombo and the, the complaint was sustained, um, as to that, um, officer and there was a disciplinary action taken at this time. I'll open the floor for discussion from the committee as it relates to item number seven.
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Um, Um,
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Um, chief, I know you said y'all do the deescalation technique and, um,
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um,
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‸ Was he able to go through another training or that talk was just suffice?
[00:31:15] Speaker 5
Yeah. So this officer is a very conscientious officer and, uh, he basically said he made a mistake and look, and looked at this as a learning opportunity for him. Uh,
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uh, and also give us some additional training and, uh, that pretty much solved the problem with him.
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I'm curious, does it cost like extra money or time to do these deescalation or to, to have, um, trainings like this? Is it something that.
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you could, you could be a part of this, the schedule in a way that would be beneficial more than just, you know, every twice a year.
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Right. So we, every year we have a budget for training and, um,
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mandated by the state. Then there's training that we do in order to ensure that our office stay pretty proficient in their, uh, knowledge and, and with their weapons and things of that nature. So we have to make sure we strategically budget the appropriate training. Now, when it, when we see other training that's out there that may not cost us where it's not infringing upon our budget, we'll allow officers to take those trainings. So we look for,
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a positive way. So we're not looking at just necessarily disciplining them. We want to make sure they're trained so they continue to stay competent in their field.
[00:32:43] Speaker 10
Yeah. I'm, I'm also wondering if there's like a way to just have discussions about when these issues come up to talk about them and, um, use each other's experience for the newer officers and just have a kind of a, uh, more of an open discussion time that people can actually learn from each other.
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Right. So I could tell you a technique that a lot of the supervisors do within our agency.
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somewhere in the country, anywhere in the country. So we have roll call training where we just sit now talking about these issues and what we can gain from that to make us better. So that happens all the time. So let's say, for example, um, we have seen where an officer may have could have done something a little bit different, but yet, and we had a different type of intervention. Like we did this, um, this training here, we would talk with other officers that kind of talk about the case without necessarily identifying the officer.
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happening.
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other question as far as, um, using, um, time in the community where you're not necessarily in those high, um, conflict type of situations, like things like a community garden or, you know, using parks and rec and having police, you know, being able to have time to just make the park safe and, and spend time outside.
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the program or?
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So on a nightly basis, our officers do what they call park walk and talk. So when, when they're not handling calls and time permits, they're in the different neighborhoods and different parks, walk and checking those parks.
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And
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a time for them to have, you know, uh, exercise outside, just being away from some of the tensions that you would get normally on a, you know, when you're, when you're on duty is, does you, do you look at it like that at all? I'm just curious.
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think that's, that's, uh, what we can have more discussions aside and kind of talk about some of that to see how we can better improve boxes, health and wellbeing.
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with us.
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about those ideas and, and see how we can kind of come together and implement something like that. So I'm open minded to it.
[00:35:20] Speaker 10
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
[00:35:22] Speaker 1
‸ I just had one follow up. Um, do you know offhand what your training budget is like what the budget is for those trainings?
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hand, but I can tell you before I, before I got here, uh, the, the training budget was very, very minimal. And since we've, uh, been here now, we have increased that training budget astronomically, thanks to the city manager. So our officers have a much more training they've ever had in years since we've been here. Okay.
[00:35:57] Speaker 1
Thank you. Any further follow up from the committee as it relates to item number seven? At this time, I'll entertain a motion as it relates to that item.
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‸ Thank
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you,
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Thank you, ma'am. All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? The motion to accept the findings
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item number seven passes unanimously. Item number eight. Complaint number 22-04-66. Allegations.
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The name is abbreviated because it's a juvenile.
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Mr.
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ground, causing superficial bruising and a cut. ‸ The investigation was conducted by Lieutenant Bombay and the conclusion was that the allegations were unfounded. Any discussion here as it relates to that item from the committee?
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I was under the impression that the
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basically reviewed the video and saw more where the officer was coming.
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I correct in that? Yes.
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father filed the complaint and then the lieutenant had him review the body cam and saw exactly what occurred.
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Thank you. Any further discussion as it relates to that item? At this time I'll entertain a motion as it relates to item eight. Do I hear a second? All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any ‸ opposed? The motion to approve the findings. And item number eight on our agenda passes unanimously. Item number 9.
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made an intentional false arrest.
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told lies in his report with the intent of filing a false report and make a false arrest. Mrs.
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police report against her. This investigation was conducted by Lieutenant Bombay. And the conclusion is that the allegations were unfounded. At this time I'll open the floor for discussion by the board as it relates to this item.
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To my recollection at least four times had the floor for an extended period of time. During other board
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meetings.
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Uh, ‸ and there is no other answer for her. She was arrested. The state attorney reviewed the case sustained the arrest.
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money. Uh, for an attorney. And at the end of the day. Uh, it is what it is. She committed a crime. She was arrested and she was unhappy about it.
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Any other follow up.
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No,
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Uh, at this time I will entertain a motion as it relates to item number nine.
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I second.
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Aye.
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This motion passes unanimously to accept the findings as it relates to complaint number nine.
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On May 9th, 2022.
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with the chief of police about officer Denham. She stated that she and her husband were staying at the budget end and had a physical confrontation.
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detained her by putting handcuffs on her when he got mad at her.
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Blackman
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also stated that officer Denham
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disregarded the fact that she stated that she was the victim of a domestic violence issue and made her leave the residence. This case was investigated also by Lieutenant
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At this time I will open the floor for discussion to the committee and I will start. I do have a question.
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So I understand that both complaints were found to be unfounded or exonerated. But in situations where an officer has repeated complaints and brushes ‸ with citizens of our community, is there some extra training done in situations like that? Because ‸ I understand that it may be exonerated and this specific facts may lend that they're unsupported. But if multiple people from the community keep complaining about the same officer in completely unrelated incidents, is that an opportunity for training or follow-up?
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It could be, but in these cases, the ‸ body cam kind of spoke for itself.
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was fabricated. So there was no truth to that. So therefore, that's why we unfounded the case with all the allegations.
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I know it may be the same officer, but you ‸ have an officer that's a little bit busier than others. It's more likely that people have an opportunity to actually complain. But the facts speak for itself.
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So if there are opportunities out there to give
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additional training, we're going to make sure we give it when it's necessary. But in this case here, ‸ it just happened to be the same officer, but he didn't do anything wrong in the two cases. And ‸ the ‸ exoneration means that we couldn't prove whether he had did something wrong or not. ‸ So that's why he was exonerated. But other ones, when you say unfounded, ‸ we're saying that that did not happen. Thank you, sir.
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anything wrong with it. It just gives you, you might want to look at these response to resistance because this officer has a lot more than other officers. And it also captures sick leave, discipline.
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see an early warning system, if they're an officer that you need to start looking a little closer. So if a specific officer is getting constant complaints, it would show up for us ‸ to look at that like you were just saying. And make sure there's nothing else there. Thank you, Commander.
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Does that information go to the line supervisor,
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first line supervisor, sergeant that's normally in charge of that particular officer?
[00:45:09] Speaker 11
Correct. So if there's an officer that has, you know, a little bit more response to resistance. And when I say response to resistance, that can be, you know, firearms, pointing firearms.
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on that document. So I would look at that and just notify the first line supervisor. Hey, he's ‸ having a little bit of elevated response to resistance. You need to keep an eye on him ‸ and review his body cam videos when you get time just to just do a check. You know what I mean? To check the
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I did notice in the findings that there was a response where they did find that he, I believe he said, get your SHIT and leave.
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Yeah.
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And I don't know, in most professions, you just don't curse. Right. You know, it's not acceptable. And I don't know if you have a policy about that, but I think, you
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We have a
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policy that they need to remain, you know, calm during the face of, you know, aggression. But there are some times where that's the only way you're getting the person to do what you need them to do.
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saying. Sometimes you've got to just be a little bit more aggressive to get them to do it.
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They requested her to leave, which she did. She ultimately came back after we left and created the whole incident again and then would not ‸ listen to the officer on scene.
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now detain her to prevent anything further.
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that, that that could help the situation. I understand you might have to be strong and just say, you know, get your items and it's time for you to go.
[00:47:05] Speaker 5
Right. So we have a policy that officers should remain professional at all times. At times, officers may have what we call a Freudian slip.
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public. Does it happen? I'm sure it happens occasionally, but that's not a practice that we condone, nor that we support that.
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But is there a policy regarding that as far as? There's
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a professional conduct that you could actually ‸ find the
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in violation of. So we could do that.
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them. ‸ But we do not condone officers just using profanity towards the public.
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It just seems like you, at some point, you might have to have some repercussions or, you know, nothing, you know, just training or de-escalation or something like that to make it clear, like, this is not professional behavior. Right,
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but ‸ just to follow up to what the commander is saying, so, you know, we have techniques where we're being very calm and kind to the public to get them to do certain things. And sometimes we have to raise our voice to get their attention. And so that's what we have. ‸ That's that verbal judo techniques to get people's attention because it's important that we get them to follow our instructions so that it will not escalate. So.
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part of it? Or is there ways to just elevate your voice or deepen your voice? Or it just seems like there might be other ways to do that. ‸ Right. ‸ I
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‸ don't use profanity like that, personally.
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I'm not saying it does not happen, but we take those case by case. So we don't have a practice that we're telling our officers,
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profanity any time you get ready to the public. We don't do that because that's not professional.
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I'm sure it could happen sometime and we'll deal with that on a case by case basis. Okay.
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Chief, I'm sorry, go ahead.
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I guess, and I'm not sure. I don't want to speak for anyone else, so I will ask the question for myself.
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Was it the failure to, the continued failure to follow instructions that led to no action being taken as to the slip in professionalism in this particular circumstance?
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And I think that's what maybe was trying to be gotten at.
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‸ Maybe.
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Okay. Because I don't remember this entire case.
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just remember bits and pieces of it. Okay. So I don't want to give you no bad information as far as why we made that decision because I read
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it? And I agree with the findings at the time. Can I take my time and read it thoroughly?
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that day. But I do remember there was a cursing situation. But it was it didn't want to the level that we need to discipline the officer.
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Is it possible, um
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from that interaction so that
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um If you'll give me just a minute, I will. We
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don't need it right now in this meeting. I mean,
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If it's not in our system, I'll tell you now. Yes or no.
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Okay.
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‸ Okay.
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Domestic violence issues, whether in a home or a hotel, are difficult situations to deal with. Because the emotional level of both parties is very high. Sometimes it's my understanding that officers that are involved in that need to secure somebody because of the potential
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that may occur. ‸ in any case, when the officer does his report and his sergeant reviews it and sends it up the chain, uh the video would be looked at in those cases. Am I correct?
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Yes.
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It was. I believe it was. So I think it would be fair to say that if there was any misconduct that was exhibited on a video or
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or yourself. Right.
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believe, where he slammed his hands down. That was sustained. And I watched the video and it wasn't, it was anything agreed ‸ He got fed up with her argumenting with him. But she felt scared and it was a sustained violation on that. So, yeah, even if the complaint comes in that I was unprofessional and in that video I'm violating another policy, we're going to address that policy violation as well, not just a complaint. So even though she says she was handcuffed illegally, if it was an unprofessional conduct on the officer, ‸ would have been addressed. Well,
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I think in the report itself,
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statute.
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Right. And the lieutenant who
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the officer was um cursed at her.
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and I can add you ask your question now because I just read the report again and I remember now. Yes, sir. um So I do remember seeing that uh the officers police said, uh get your stuff and leave. um In situations like that, I would tell the lieutenant, and you talk to the officer, tell him, or her, we're not using that attack language. And that's that's that's likely what I did in that case. Okay. I do remember
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just. A young lady wants
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oh I'm sorry. That's okay.
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i I just, uh I appreciate you guys going over this with me. And I'm
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sure that it was uh in the situation that that his demeanor was appropriate. I just, to me, it seems like there's very few places where you could work and they would take it on a case-by-case basis. But
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is, we, you know, we don't do it. And, you know, if we do do it, then maybe we need some
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And thank you for letting me make that.
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Not a problem.
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I'll entertain a motion at this time.
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opposed? Motion passes unanimously to accept the findings and item number 10, uh complaint number 22-06-CC. ladies and gentlemen of the public, I appreciate your patience with us as we ‸ get through those items. the
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And at this time, we've reached item number four on our agenda, citizen participation. And there is, there are two attorneys and a private citizen that want to be heard. I will have the citizen ‸ heard
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first.
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um you You'll have two minutes.
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‸ Okay. That makes sense.
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We have our timer.
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quick.
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This was a case where there was no probable cause. He could not arrest this woman. So what did he do? He used his brain. He used intelligence. He was polite to her. And what did that get ‸ It got him a lot of stuff. It got him a voluntary blood draw. The gold standard. Your chief says that's incompetent police work.
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he
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She went to jail because he did good police work. They said, oh he talked to her about her and and gave her possible defenses. Ladies and gentlemen, fellow citizens, that's good police work. Okay. He let her ‸ talk and talk and talk. And
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what her story was. And then you know what he did? This incompetent officer. He went down to the bars that she was drinking in. And he proved that what she told him was a lie. Okay. She had the traditional two beers.
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He got videos of her doing shots. Okay. You're saying this man's an incompetent police officer and he did a bad investigation. And I got two minutes and
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You really, you gave them a half hour to slander this man. And they went on and on and on. And I think you ought to give Ben a chance to respond.
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i will um
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just a moment. It's okay.
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if you would like to extend that time. And it's up the committee.
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vote on it. And if you want to
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more time, we can
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more time to discuss a
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matter.
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I think we need to clarify, first of
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Feel free.
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Are you are you currently involved in a a civil action uh on the behalf of Mr. Landis?
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action. No, sir. um
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case. He came to say, he said, look, Tom, I got this
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at it. And I was baffled.
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and i'm looking at it and i'm trying to figure out you know what's what's happening and sir what really
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because the state attorney's office cannot proceed in a murder case without an autopsy. you The medical examiner's office had bodies stacked up like cordwood and they were they were way behind. They were months and months and months behind. Ben did his investigation, and he uncovered everything he needed, but he needed to have a cause of death because you just can't send a murder package to the state attorney without a cause of death. And he couldn't get the
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every case is equally important. And if they have a January, you know, they're going to do every autopsy as it comes in. And this is where the the conversation between him and the sister of the poor lady that got hit went south, because Ben had other cases where people have been killed prior to Lucas, or Passion
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death,
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because the the ME's office was backed up. So the reason this case didn't get progressed with is because the medical examiner's office.
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I ‸ i understand.
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‸ he ‸ was racist, it wasn't racist for him to to say, I can't do my package until the medical examiner does the autopsy, and he's just a cop.
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Point of view I understand that, but uh and is there an answer to my question? Is
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in a civil litigation? I
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don't know. um Not that he's...
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understanding that there was a complete investigation, a series of appeals uh within the structure of the city government uh
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first off, this
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and called him a racist. In the press and everywhere. Because that that's the... ‸ You read the paper. Why did he not do this case properly because he's a racist? That's what they're saying.
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he's been hurt if he's... But that's not why we're here. We're here to minimize the harm and to tell you what really happened because
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he was in the process. the You don't want your employees in the process to be
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You want them to trust the process, right? And and that's what he's doing. so So it was not... He was blindsided by... I think the chief should have said, look,
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Let's finish that and do it for the next meeting.
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Well, sir...
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‸ Sir...
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uh just Just for the record, I motioned at the board hearing when this case came up
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process had been completed. uh There was a second motion which overrode that. And uh with the exception of myself, the board uh voted to hear the case then. So it's been heard here. uh The the thing that i I want to give you an opportunity before you say much more is to let the chief respond to the findings of of the disciplinary action and the appeals
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um And I was going to get into the... um The problem was the medical examiner. The case could not proceed unless the medical examiner did the autopsy. And the police department should have told the victims
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that the case can't proceed... a moment,
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here's kind of the issue here, Mr. ‸ Yardley. And here it this is a reason why I limited your time. It's not about you specifically. um Part of the reason why I limited the time is because, one, the issue was discussed and it was closed. But not only that, but when the issue was discussed, um
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we read the reports, we read the findings, and we found as a committee that no further action should be taken under the ‸ circumstances. So this committee actually voted in such a way that would have been to your client's benefit. We can't help what the newspapers print.
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We make decisions here based on the facts that are in front of us, based on the complaint that is made. And our findings were, uh I guess, as favorable as could be under the circumstances for your client. And so
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like that. This is an avenue to discuss uh closed complaints and to make suggestions or recommendations ‸ to leadership about what they should do in lieu of what they did or voting to approve the action that they took. And today, I
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I'm an attorney myself. I am an advocate for my clients. But I believe that what you seek is not what
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should have been done in this case is ‸ the department should have backed the police officer who most assuredly was not acting in a racist or even an incompetent manner.
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Did you have an opportunity to get to the city council meeting yesterday?
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Mr. Yardley, point point of order, please. The
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um
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idea that it's the
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Police Department's fault that this woman somehow got away with murder is wrong.
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investigation,
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pulled jail time. but And then for the chief to come after my guy and say what a dirtbag he is when it was his brilliant police work that allowed him to get the voluntary blood sample that put this woman
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that he wrote in there that
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[01:07:35] Speaker 5 + overlapping voice
He mentioned that twice in that memo. I never said anything like that. He said that I gave that to the media that's all over the media that I called him a a um an incompetent racist.
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there. Never said that.
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that's
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far from the truth.
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I was disappointed in the investigation and how it went. And it was going to make changes and
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be
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going to fix the problem. That's all
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just wanted to put that for the record.
[01:08:02] Speaker 6
Chief, my my question was pretty simple. uh
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and the final investigation are all public record,
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they not?
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Yes. So they
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could
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pull the IA case and and look at the uh the videos and everything out there that's out there. Yes. And
[01:08:25] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
that includes the entire grievance process.
[01:08:27] Speaker 5 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
The entire grievance process and also the the internal affairs investigation. That's for the public. If the public want to make public records requests, they can pull that ‸ have that information for themselves.
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thank you
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[01:08:45] Speaker 1
attorney travis yeah miss Lucas, you mind resetting the timer? Just a moment, please. you may begin
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the attorney, um
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I wasn't able to locate them anywhere in the media. Inside the last meeting, I watched it in the interview and ‸ Those were actual
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So I'm going to start my saying the initial excuse I was
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was that that he couldn't make an arrest because it was a speedy trial. And um she wouldn't have a chance to do a speedy trial. They couldn't
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compel
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the evidence in time and things like that. Well, I have an actual document here showing that at that time speedy trial was being the same due to COVID, they had actually canceled it at that moment. So that wasn't even a reason to um delay the arrest. As
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That was the reason I was given. um Also, the conversation over the telephone that initiated the
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being him stopping. He said he only spoke to me one time over the telephone. There was another officer there. I'm willing to surrender my um phone record. We spoke multiple times that last conversation. I told ‸ I was going
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call the medical examiner.
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tell him I got cases I've been waiting on since February. He became um very aggressive with me because I was concerned about the case and why I had, I couldn't locate the case. I
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find ‸ the
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‸ I mean, I
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find the case anywhere. um um Also, there was no need for a voluntary blood test. In the police report, it actually states that one of the officers said, let it be known that she has a strong smell of alcohol. but either way she would
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test ‸ something. And the fact that she was completely, um I mean, she was looking for her license in her hand or her cell phone in her hand for almost 20 minutes.
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I mean, she was nowhere there
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‸ walking. So either way it goes, I mean, she should have been arrested on the spot. Everything that he did, I actually made it with
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at um you can take a look at what he did do wrong in the course of this case.
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uh Do you mind submitting a copy of that list yes to us? uh ‸ definitely And
[01:11:19] Speaker 12
I highlighted some of the factors because he shouldn't be standing here alone. a State Attorney
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right here with
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[01:11:23] Speaker 1
Thank you. ‸ Attorney Travis. Could you reset the timer, please?
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um I want to point out that i I agree I have no time so I found the supposed allegation of income of raises um that was said by anybody.
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when I said that when you have these delays in lack of communication,
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or not that's based on race we don't know. But I wasn't going there. But what I want
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the day after she was killed. the um toxicology was received back on her in September.
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Officer Landis at the end of October that kind of led to the blow-up that she just referred to. um And at that time, she was still being told that they were waiting on the medical examiner. I don't know why they would have been
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on the medical examiner. uh Maybe the report hadn't actually been submitted. ‸ The autopsy and the toxicology had been done. So that uh excuse brings a little false. But the main thing is I wouldn't be here addressing again. The board has heard from me before, except for I did want to set the record straight on those particular facts. You know my complaint before was in relation to the lack of communication and the slow pace of the investigation and the impact that that had on my family and
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So I think that those issues are understood by the board. um And I really have nothing further. I sent a letter in response to Mr. Yardley's letter. And if you have any questions in regards to that,
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you have
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[01:13:29] Speaker 1
I apologize ‸ turn my mic on. I'm not sure who would address this particular issue, ‸ but I received a message from someone that's watching virtually that they couldn't hear you while you were speaking. I'm not sure if your things uh like your notebook or covering the microphone or something.
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you just said was not captured. So the people that are watching virtually didn't hear what you said. Apparently they heard everyone that spoke before you, but they didn't hear you.
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I think it's on now.
[01:14:07] Speaker 1
So um
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give you your. I'll give you your two minutes since it was not heard what you said and every everyone else that was spoken had an opportunity to be heard by the public. um And you can repeat what you said if you'd like.
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I'll try to you know repeat what I said. um I started out by saying that, you know,
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the chief or implied by myself that we had called uh Officer Landis uh an incompetent racist. I went back and reviewed the last hearing. Nobody, to my knowledge, has said that. The worst that was ever said was that I imply or I said that when you uh have a lack of communication and a lack, a delay in investigation, it gives
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did not call anyone a racist. I talked about the impact ‸ my family, uh the victims in this case, and on the community. I also talked about the fact that the excuse that we've heard is that it was the medical examiner's office that had that delayed this investigation. And in fact,
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was driving more than two times over the legal limit, was done the day after her ‸ death. And that the uh toxicology was submitted in September, um a few months, less than three months, two and
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half months. It was actually submitted on September 2nd of
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from, had a call with Officer Landis at the end of October and was continued to be told that the delay was due to the medical examiner's office, I don't know why she would be told that unless for some reason there was a delay from the medical examiner's office and typing up their report. But it should have been done, the toxicology
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a report, and
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[01:16:01] Speaker 2
So, um you know, I wouldn't even be here necessarily readdressing this board except for Mr. Yardley's letter that I think has several inaccuracies or exaggerations in them. I did feel compelled, just so that the record was straight, to write a letter in response and have emailed that to everyone on the board. And
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if anybody would want those or
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Thank you, ma'am.
[01:16:31] Speaker 6
Ma'am, I i have the same question for you. You're an attorney representing the family.
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against miss Norris,
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driver, but not Officer Landis.
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that I'm aware of, not as to anything that I've filed. Okay. Any other questions? All right. Thank you.
[01:16:57] Speaker 1
Thank you.
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So
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I think we're one
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I don't think Mr. Thomas has one of these. ‸ you have this? I believe
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Okay,
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[01:17:28] Speaker 1
Okay, we'll get a uh an additional copy at one point ‸ we're missing one for
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which is dated June 16th of 2022. And it's several pages long, 12 pages, and it was
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all of his issues. And that is a public record also. Am I
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‸ Okay.
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[01:18:24] Speaker 1
as you as Attorney Travis was speaking, I was receiving text messages from members of the public that they could not hear her. Apparently, those members of the public that are watching virtually couldn't hear you or miss Lucas either. And so, um I will give you two more minutes, and I will be a little bit more fervent this time since you spoke
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Could you please put two more minutes
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much time you think you needed to to do. I mean,
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um What I wanted... the So, okay a direct question was
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how much time would
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minutes? I'm begging for five.
[01:19:38] Speaker 10 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
I would like to make a motion to give him five minutes. There's
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a motion to to give him five minutes to speak.
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Any
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opposed?
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Nay. Because if you're giving him five minutes, then you're gonna ‸ have to give everybody else five minutes. So we we can't be unfair.
[01:20:05] Speaker 10
Well, they they did have. Are
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four. You
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So. Well,
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I'm also, they had a, they were at the previous meeting and they spoke where he, where he was not as well. If you want to look at
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his attorney were present
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at the last. but if you're going to give me and it's more minutes to one, you got to do it for all three. That's what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying. Because you can't say. he get five and they get two. Whether they came before. You have to be right. You have to be fair.
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so first and foremost, is, are you still a yay
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voted yet.
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you say two. If
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because he's going to be adding more stuff and saying more stuff and bringing more information in. And they need that same opportunity. So if you're going to do for one, I feel you need to do for all.
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guess
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vote nay since there is another motion being formulated and I guess we will see what happens with that motion. um but I'll say nay to that motion. That motion fails. um three to two. um against question. Yes, sir. uh can we even discuss this with it? Not being on the agenda. It can be discussed as there is no restriction placed on the citizen participation. But my suggestion was that ‸ it not be discussed or be discussed in a limited fashion due to the fact that it is not on the agenda. It has previously been discussed. The matter has been closed and this committee actually voted in a way that was favorable to the attorney that wants to extend the time. the
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So there's nothing that says that we can't discuss it because it is related to an open complaint, which is what we have the authority to, or
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complaint, which is what we have the authority to discuss. um However, i my my intention was to limit how much we keep discussing the same thing over and over again. So at this point, does
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that motion fails to extend the time to five minutes unilaterally for Mr. Yardley only. There is a new motion to extend the time for Mr. Yardley, as well as
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Travis, as well as
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Lucas, to give them all five minutes as it relates to this matter that has previously been discussed and that was closed in the former in the prior meeting. I hear a motion. Do I hear a second?
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I'll second. A
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give each of those three people five minutes. All in favor, please signify by saying aye.
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Aye.
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there's three
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All opposed? It appears that the motion passes unanimously. Mr. Yardley, you have five minutes.
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Mr. Brown, let me give you five seconds of my time.
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You brought this motion up at a time. The administration brought this motion up at
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time when Ben couldn't talk because he was in the process.
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you he
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was invaluable because it allowed him to get a voluntary blood draw. I think you all know Mr. Altman will tell you about uh probable cause. There was no probable cause to arrest this woman.
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would have been a bad case. He had to be polite to her in order to get her confession. The idea that he did a bad investigation. The sergeant went joy
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these experts have gone over it. Who do you think supervised the measurements, the photographs, the evidence that all of the experts worked at? That was Ben's doing. It wasn't the sergeant who was off joy riding And nobody in those expert reports said Ben did a bad job. His investigation the next morning was phenomenal. He tracked the woman's
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doing shots. He got the credit card receipt of her buying a lot of drinks. The problem with this case was that it might not have been manslaughter. It might have been that the woman was walking down the in the dark and the lady that hit her couldn't see her. The goal of a police officer is not to make judgments. It's to collect the evidence, which is what this gentleman did. And as the victim told you,
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when he told her that the there was nothing he could do to speed up the medical examiner's autopsy. And there's nothing he could do to get the state attorney to arrest the lady until the medical examiner did the autopsy. If you're ever in a position where you have to give people bad news, sometimes they don't take it. I mean, the the woman was upset because the autopsy wasn't performed, but that wasn't Ben's fault. And that's why she went on
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And let me tell you something. The idea that you have a racist, corrupt police department is wrong.
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years ago when I came to
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I don't think I could stay ‸ that. But the board and the
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put a stop to the nonsense, and you hired police chief after police chief after police chief to put a stop to improper practices. The reason your community got through the
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or the summer before that is because you had been under the guidance of
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That's what your police chief should have done. Because if there are people who profit from racism, and if they can split us apart, there's money to be made. And there are people who cry racism because it's good for them. But in this case, if we could go through step by step by step, you would see that the investigation that this police officer did was perfect. The release of the traffic accident report was something he had nothing to do with.
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at all.
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hurt the case. um So that's that's my five minute pitch. um If Ben had been able to appear at the last hearing and tell you what happened, i you say you ruled in ‸ his favor and and and and great. But this
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of some concern in the community, and the community should not think that you had a racist white police officer who didn't care about this woman and did such a bad job that she got off with
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slap on the wrist. It was the seasoned prosecutors at the state attorney's office that had been prosecuting cases for decades that made the decision. But all of the evidence they needed was there. The the shots, I mean,
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the woman taking the shots in the timeout sports bar that that man captured and preserved and brought into the case file was powerful, powerful evidence. The voluntary blood draw. He was polite to her because he got her to incriminate herself. And if you can be polite to someone and get them to confess, that's a lot better than than coming forward with a quick arrest. Look at that.
[01:28:58] Speaker 1
Thank you, sir thank you Is Sergeant Bradshaw still around?
[01:29:10] Speaker 11
He's making copies for you. ‸ Okay.
[01:29:12] Speaker 1 + overlapping voice
um because I saw, uh ‸ well, at least I heard something from Mr. Yardley about the Sergeant
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um during this investigation. And I believe the investigating Sergeant was Bradshaw. So
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if you read his memo,
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was false. Particularly, you can just focus on the fact that he stated in more about two times in his memo that he addressed for public record that ‸ I publicly stated that Officer Landis was a incompetent racist. And he said that multiple times. And this, and
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through that as well to point out the false statements and the false allegations that he's made. So that's far from the truth that Sergeant Bradshaw went off joyriding somewhere. thank you chief
[01:30:13] Speaker 1
Miss Lucas, please come on forward.
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You may proceed.
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Thank you. um so first let me address the joyride Sergeant Bradshaw. Actually, I think that's so offensive for you to say that because he was coming to inform us, the family about the death of my sister at that time. So I think you should choose your words a little better. because that was very insulting amongst everything else in this case. um so as I was stating, I'm sorry. As I was
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when I wasn't able to be heard the first time I was stating that they made uh um reference towards the chief saying that he um was a race, uh he said he was incompetent and racist. Like I said, I actually looked those facts up. I looked through
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the news, I was able to, I was not able to locate it. And I also watched the last meeting where he said the comment was made. And I watched it from beginning to end.
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being able to be arrested at that moment. And it's also in their police reports it's because of a speedy trial. And I just provided you guys with documents showing that at that time, a speedy trial was had
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of her actually being able to complete a speedy trial. So that alone was false. They gave me a false narrative there.
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take bad news was because um
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I did say that once he told me that he was waiting on the medical examiner, I
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see if we can speed the process up. He then told me when I called to make ‸ sure that I informed him that he's been waiting on cases since February when I make the call. So I thought that was extremely rude because I was already in tears while speaking to him about this case. And that was his response to me. um He also said that um it was his well training is why he got a confession out of her and even for her to do a blood alcohol level. But I also think that it is speaking to your incompetentness saying that you weren't able to notice that she was double the legal ‸ limit um and that she was completely inebriated. So that alone would have warranted some kind of blood or ‸ blow something. So that I mean,
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um And also the goal of an officer is to serve and protect. We just said the pledge stand justice for all. My sister was robbed of the justice because how this case was handled from the beginning. The ticket issue. He said that wasn't his fault, but it was your fault that you wrote the ticket the wrong time of the day, the wrong description of the clothing. um he said there was no bodily harm, no accident, the wrong road. Everything he put on that ticket was completely um incorrect. That's still public record. um
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chief and Sergeant
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little more at ease. I felt like things were starting to go on the right path.
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of his wife inside of this memo, um to make us, I guess, I don't know, feel sympathy, but he did not state that his wife sent me a threatening message at three o'clock in the morning
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and then she then actually deleted that message. That was from the office
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when he actually, when he took the swab, he actually said, ew, this is in your blood, let's get this off of you. That was his exact response
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record. um And he took the blood swab. ‸ to this day, we don't know who blood that was on her because they've lost the swab. They still haven't gave me the results of this test yet. um Handprints on the car, this actual blood handprint on the driver's side of the car. That right there is powerful, powerful evidence. That should have been recorded. Do you get what I'm saying? You got a picture of it, but nowhere in your, um in your statements do you say anything about this blood handprint, which my sister couldn't reach over there
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that Susanna actually touched the body. She had no blood, no cuts, no nothing. She actually touched the body. And I felt like the evidence side of that card none of that, they get they gave that to him the next day, to the attorney the next day. um It could have been clothing that She could have cleaned her hands off, anything. Like,
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call that perfect, um if that was your way of doing the perfect investigation, I mean, maybe we should consider retraining. You get what I'm saying? He really gave her a case into his investigation. of well So if that is good police um work by you telling the victim, he actually made the statement, oh well, she might have been under the influence. That right there created the narrative that my sister had been under the influence.
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I killed somebody. I can't believe somebody died because of my fault. In his interview, he actually said, well, it's not your fault she was in the middle of the road. So from there, Susanna went from saying,
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I just felt an impact, to say yes, she was in the middle of the road. I'm not sure ‸ you guys actually view this video, um
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to see them still.
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on State Attorney Hunt. There was a lot of things in this memo, I'm not sure if you guys had the opportunity to read it, where they gave the defense attorney access to the evidence before State Attorney actually had access to the evidence. I would like correspondence of all those emails verbatim. Please, it's public record and I want them. And that completes. the evidence Thank you.
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attorney Travis. uh let's do three. Yeah, because she got two additional already.
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yeah that's fine right Okay. um You know, my client and
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like we should all be so lucky to have loved ones that fight for us as hard if this bad sad situation should ever be fall us. And Makita Lucas knows this case
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the facts forwarded backward.
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letter that I circulated to ‸ everyone is part of the public record. And so I'll approach uh the clerk or secretary, I'm sorry, and make that part of the record. ‸ I have extra copies if you need them, but they were emailed to you. The main thing i I guess I want to point home is, thank you, is that obviously the frustration that my client is feeling is conveyed here today. is It stems from a very personal situation to her. And she was traumatized not only by the death of her sister, but in the way that this was handled afterwards. ‸ And that involved the way that Officer Landis handled it, involved delays by in the investigation, whether or not they were agency-wide issues, whether or not they were state attorney issues. and And the family, the mother and the sister and everyone else has been re-traumatized almost every step of the way in this case. uh Like everything that could have like gone wrong stupidly like has gone wrong.
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I mean, that's really personal stuff when you've lost a loved one. You feel like you're getting the run around by the system. Little things like that.
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dui manslaughter then they filed misdemeanor dui they didn't even file enhanced dui over 0.15 i had to call them and tell them, you guys messed up. Every single little step is messed up. One of the biggest betrayals, though, I think, was the fact that it wasn't until I got ‸ involved that the part that my clients found out that
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me, Attorney Landman, the attorney for Susan Norris. He had allowed a visual inspection of the vehicle. He had allowed an expert to look at the vehicle. That might not be that bad of a thing in a vacuum, but that's really powerful. And I think that's a perfect example ‸ one of the strongest things. They should have been told from the get-go before I was even involved, look, the delay is to this. They should have been given more details. Just so you know, we've had this there was not transparency, and it led to bad communication. It led led to speculation as to why by my family. It led to speculation as to why by the community. We can't control that, but that's what you get when you don't have good communication and good follow-through and speedy investigation. So as to the rest of ‸ things, I think the board understands what the issues are and I appreciate the opportunity to talk.
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Thanks. Thank you. Thank you. Any risk uh oh Sergeant Bradshaw. um ‸ I just wanted to give you an opportunity if you wanted to respond at any point because there was a comment made that addressed you specifically um
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response as it relates to that?
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‸ Okay. um Any further response from command staff?
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officers that were either terminated or resigned. it
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or not, and officers were listed as not rehirable. So I just wanted to let you know that was in place earlier with some of the questions on officers. Thank
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you. um
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were discussed today or this evening?
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I do. I have a question because somehow I must have made
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um I see that uh two
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um so is that all? Did they get any kind of retraining? um I know it's going to be in their file. What this that happened? Why wasn't there more of a, um a extensive punishment? uh possible promotion, um demotion? um because i'm I'm looking if ‸ it
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Not saying on the, um on the chief watch, it could have happened again or a previous time. So my question is, was that the max punishment or consequence that an officer can get for this type of behavior? okay So
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to be fair to the public, I think you might want to read the the the synopsis of what that was like and comment on that so people have a general idea what she's talking about.
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oh yes.
[01:41:43] Speaker 1
i because I didn't start reading them until we got to about four. I apologize. So this is this is related to complaint number one, which is 21-10-IA. It was made by
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Diana
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on her daughter, Jahira
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and that after having contact with officers, she was told that nothing could
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police back out again on
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Smith and officers met
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Smith in the street and arrested her after she swung a backpack at them. Two days later,
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injuries, which clearly
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and she confirmed that she was beat up by police. This case was
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suspensions as a result of this, uh as as a result of the disciplinary action being sustained. And there was a resignation
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he was arrested also.
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that, I'm assuming that was in connection with this incident? So
[01:43:23] Speaker 5
yeah, so with this case here, um this incident actually happened before I got here as the the police chief. ‸ And the, um you summed it up pretty good. So this female was handcuffed. while she was taken into custody. She was handcuffed and she was, um um put on a gurney. her legs were tied down they tie straps around her arms and she and her hands were behind her back and as they
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rolling her away uh the former officer pepper sprayed her
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And ‸ the officer was issued a misdemeanor summons, which is like an arrest. And he was arrested and and in lieu of of being terminated, he had resigned. This case was was reviewed by
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he didn't find anything that the officer had done wrong. uh But once there were some issues and how it was written. So therefore I looked into it further and looked at the video. and That's when I uncovered the actual uh battery. um So this case was, um once I learned that the officer was being cleared, obviously I would i didn't agree with that, so I passed it on to Commander
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to um investigate the case. And
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sergeant that was actually there at the scene that could have prevented this from happening. But he did not,
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Roman, did not intervene. So therefore, um through the case, we found that he had violated policies as well as Lieutenant
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and I recommended the suspension as you see. However, they had the luxury to grieve the discipline, and that discipline was ultimately grieved up to the city manager, and he reduced ‸ the um discipline to, they both got
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a one day suspension, but
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when you look at that, I mean, the public may say, well, more things could have happened to them, which is true, but they are valuable um members of our police department.
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So in lieu of doing something ‸ more serious, uh I think they they learned from this incident, and uh and I think that the suspension was appropriate in in addition to the additional training that they had received. That's both the sergeant and the lieutenant. Okay.
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what was What was the suspension that you originally suggested that they grieved? So
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and the reason why I gave i ‸ issued more hours is because he was there at the scene, and he could have prevented he could have intervened. He could have stopped this from even happening, but he
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uh he did not investigate the case properly.
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And they were reduced
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what? By the city manager? One day. One day? Both of them. From. uh
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um when when we got to this item discussion, because I think he there might have been some questions for
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I was gonna ‸ say, uh Chief, as you know, that in the appeals process, uh the agency's use of force policy pertaining to pepper spray uh at that time was uh indicating only in the event of somebody in a patrol ‸ vehicle. And there was confusion about that. And there was a lot of discussion in the appeals process, uh
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uh the they should have done something that they didn't do, meaning Roman should have taken at least the ‸ action post, removed his uh uh pepper spray, and and done a report
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his report, done an investigation that would have shown that. So uh you made policy changes, in my understanding, relative to the use of the
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And and you gotta remember, i'm when I got here, there was a different culture here. So we are in the process of changing cultures, improving the standards. um
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like this does not happen.
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uh
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Since then, we have not had any major incidents like that. uh
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we're working together to to make our police department the best police department in the country. But I can tell you this, that those officers, the men and women, they're working hard every day. That's why we have crime down now. That's why crime was down last year. They're working hard and with the
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that we have today. So I just want to commend those officers that they're just doing the best job they can to make our community safe. um But to answer his question, um we have, we, the lieutenant and
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the sergeant,
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they have value to our agency. And you got to look at people are not running down here in in in the police business today. uh So because they have value
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they were able to present a case to the city manager and he uh felt compelled to reduce their suspension. understand he has every right to to do that.
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Understood. i I am uh not in any way agreeing or disagreeing with his decision. I would ‸ have had follow-up questions for him if he was here though. That's all. um Because I wanted, I wanted to know what information he based the reduction of the, um the suggested punishment off of, um and that I don't have.
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to articulate that as well
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to review it, to look at what they presented, because I don't remember what they presented because it's been so long ago, what they presented uh to where he decided to uh reduce the suspension. So he probably wouldn't be able to answer that fully uh without having the entire case in front of him
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that
[01:50:30] Speaker 1
the discipline would be reduced. And had he not been able to answer those questions because he was inadequately prepared, I would have had questions about that as well. Because each of the members of this committee are expected to to show up and be prepared to discuss everything that's in front of us. And if the city manager is a part of this process, a part of the disciplinary process, uh when he comes to one of these meetings, he should be prepared to
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[01:51:01] Speaker 1
to answer certain questions about these cases. You might not have all ‸ the answers on hand, but some of those answers you're able to look up and find answers to while we're in this meeting. And just like we hold you to a high standard, we hold your boss to a high standard too. And in fact, an even higher standard due to his increased level of responsibility. um And I don't say that to besmirch him in any way. I don't have any issue with the city manager. Those are just my, that's how I feel about the situation and I'm being transparent about it. um
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or follow-up chief? No. um uh Just in general, I i want
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[01:51:46] Speaker 1
this very often because I don't know if it's the time or the place. um But it's related to our agenda today and the complaints that are before us. I looked at our complaints and I saw that
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[01:52:03] Speaker 1
And I appreciate it when I saw that. One, I'd never seen that before your tenure as chief, uh
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and opened up an investigation. But when we were seeking a new chief, I think one of the issues um that that was being spoken to in the community a lot was accountability and transparency
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law enforcement. And that was something that was sent to the council and something that was uh sent to the committee that was selecting a new chief um as one of the concerns, I
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and the lack of accountability from leadership when things are done wrong within a department.
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feet to the feet to the flame
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And so I commend you, chief, because I would imagine that uh
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And based on what I've seen in the news uh as of late, uh uh I see um why some um bad actors or uh some that, you know, value their job security over the safety uh and the protection of members of the public might have an issue with the chief that does that. So I just want to say I i appreciate that uh that you are taking that initiative uh in that way, chief.
[01:53:52] Speaker 5
Thank you.
[01:53:53] Speaker 1
You're welcome. um Any further comment from the committee as it relates to the items or anything that was discussed today? Can
[01:54:02] Speaker 10 + overlapping voice
I ask just one question? um
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Sometimes I wonder how these things escalate. So,
[01:54:11] Speaker 5
and that's the reason why it escalated with Officer Hernandez. So uh while he was chasing her, he slowed down. She swung the backpack.
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to catch up with the uh the young lady and legally, uh within policy, was able to tase her, which he was legal in doing that. uh She did sustain some facial injuries, which that's a part of it. uh But
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done. So she had to be transported to the hospital to be evaluated after being tased. So the officer was still upset. And while he was having a back and forth conversation with her, that's when the sergeant should have stepped in and removed him from that situation. But that didn't happen.
[01:54:58] Speaker 10
It seems like if somebody's hit, regardless, that you would want to stop and and take notice and and assess injury or, you know, put them out of their job, you know, put them on the sideline, especially ‸ there's other officers, so that they don't have to continue to function after they've, you know, not knowing the condition of the officer. Right.
[01:55:21] Speaker 1
Thank you. Any other follow-up from the committee as it relates to any of these items?
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[01:55:30] Speaker 1
i'll entertain a motion for adjournment hearing none yes sir
[01:55:33] Speaker 8 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
you have the minutes in front of you. if You want to. remember for you oh I'm
[01:55:38] Speaker 4
so sorry. That is correct.
[01:55:41] Speaker 1
I have forgotten because I'd already said that we'll table it to the next meeting. But since we have them, um I'll give a brief minute uh for the committee to review the minutes from the May 26th meeting, and then I'll entertain a motion to either accept those minutes as is or to correct them in some way, shape or form
[01:56:43] Speaker 6
I don't have a
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a moment to review those minutes, um I would like to say, um and I know that they're they're gone now.
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but I
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to take take a moment to thank um uh city man our city manager um for being present uh this evening. I
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to take a moment to thank our mayor, um Michael C. Blake, for being present this evening. And I wanted to take a moment also to thank uh Councilman Goins, who I was informed called in um for uh being present uh telephonically
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There may be others that were present virtually. um
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I i can't recognize anyone else that I'm not 100 certain of. So I just want to thank those uh for being present and each of you members of the public. um
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see uh we have Alberta Wilson in the house. um Thank you for
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active uh member and advocate for our community.
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um could you Could you identify yourself first? Because maybe not everyone recognizes your voice.
[01:58:25] Speaker 4
Yes, sir.
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say you know I really appreciate the the board itself um for doing what this board is for. right This board is about accountability. uh It's about bringing things and being transparent on the police department. um ‸ And so we in the contentious moment right now, um as we all know. um But, you know,
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and being
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voice for the citizens as well. uh Thank you, Chief, for for answering those tough questions. And, again, this is why, you know, this board was uh formed for this particular reason. So I just want to appreciate y'all as well.
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in District
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so, you know i you know, I have the law. He's running for re-election, by the way. But that's out of uh that's that's another topic. oh and
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At this time, I will entertain a motion as it relates to the approval or corrections to our minutes. Motion to approve by
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by saying aye.
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Aye.
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‸ Any opposed? Mr. thomas's motion passes unanimously. Yes, Sergeant?
[01:59:57] Speaker 8 + overlapping voice
uh This is for the board. We're coming up into the holiday season. I'm going to, as ‸ long as the board's okay with it, I'm going to put the next meeting in January or February. Is
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month basis. Two months. Are you okay with that?
[02:00:11] Speaker 6
So that would be uh the end of November, at the latest ‸ first week in December.
[02:00:18] Speaker 1
Do you want to? Any, any uh so, yes, we we agreed to uh a meeting every two months or 60 days or so. um ‸ Anyone have an issue with tabling until January, which would put us at about 90 days until our next meeting.
[02:00:34] Speaker 10
it's just, it seems like sometimes you have things that pile up and it might not be as easy to give everything attention.
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doesn't sound like it's, I, I mean, ‸ I
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just be my two cents.
[02:00:53] Speaker 9
Really, we should have had another uh meeting this month, but since we didn't have enough quorum. But, um I think how we had said it before,
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[02:01:13] Speaker 9
days every month is not consistent. We need to have a consistent day, um every other month because, uh changing the days all the time is not going to work.
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[02:01:34] Speaker 9
to be a set time that we need to have this because keep changing it and changing it it's gonna, we're not gonna keep, we're not gonna have a forum because we need to have consistency.
[02:01:45] Speaker 1
I, I agreed with that when you said it initially and, uh and I agree with it still today. I think the ‸ issue that we had with why that was a a problem was because the, um the calendar for the city is usually set very far in advance. And so by the time we try to schedule our meetings, the calendar is already set and certain days are already taken.
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what we
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[02:02:28] Speaker 1 + overlapping voice
probably need to do is speak with our city councilman or city councilwoman um to discuss uh the council taking action as to the scheduling. um That way our meetings can be put on the agenda for every uh every other first Monday of the month. And that can be done in the beginning of the calendar year so that those can be put on the calendar in advance. Because
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council meetings that already have slots and these boards and those boards that already have slots. ‸ But I
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at a random time. It has to be done before the calendar is made. So
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to uh try to get us a more consistent and, um yeah, a more consistent day um every other month for our meetings to be scheduled? Is
[02:03:34] Speaker 8 + overlapping voice
Thursday good for the the, okay so what I'll do then, Mr. Edmund, is
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And whatever day the majority comes up with, we'll go from there.
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months on whatever day they feel is most appropriate. I'll also get with the chief and the commander to make sure that everybody's on the same page. ‸ And then I will get back in touch with you via email.
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Much appreciated,
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sir.
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of the, any day of the week could be a bad day for me, just depending. But if, yeah yeah, if we have it far enough in advance and we know, then I can better plan for it. So that's why I agreed with having a consistent day. Because if it's every other first Monday,
[02:04:31] Speaker 6 + overlapping voice · overlapping voices
I don't have a problem with that. ‸ suggesting
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that's okay. so If it's going to be Monday and we know in advance, fine.
[02:04:43] Speaker 1 + overlapping voice
Well, Bradshaw's going to email us and we can agree on it. I don't, I don't have an
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[02:04:56] Speaker 1
I'd rather not get into take any more time up with that discussion
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to vote on the next meeting, but we can't vote on that because we don't have the calendar in front of us. So that'll be that'll be to be determined, and I will X that uh item off of the uh agenda um
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uh
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[02:05:26] Speaker 1
I will entertain a motion for adjournment then.
[02:05:30] Speaker 6
Motion to adjourn.
[02:05:32] Speaker 1
Do I hear a second? All in favor, please
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by saying aye. Aye. We are dismissed and adjourned as
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