City Council

City Council Meeting

Date: 2025-10-14
Status: City minutes and machine transcript available
Source: CivicClerk event #39
Also captured via: YouTube mirror (7qySFoTT_6Y) ↗ — alternate recording of the same meeting; primary transcript shown above.

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Attendance (the roll call)

Listed present when the roll was taken: Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn
(Checked against the ballots and the printed roll lines.)
Listed absent: Lorraine Koss
Also listed as present (staff and other roles): Anthony A. Garganese (City Attorney), Stockton Whitten (City Manager), Monica Arsenault (City Clerk), Abigail Morgan (Public Works Director), Rebecca Bowman (Finance Director), Charlene Neuterman (Community Services Director), Jonathan Lamm (Fire Chief), Evander Collier IV (Police Chief), Jack Walsh (Utilities Director), Samantha Senger (Communications and Economic Development Director), Lorne Stinnett (HR Director), Luci Ribeiro (Planner), Mitch Lawyer (Chief Technology Officer), Dalyn Sims (Helpdesk Support Tech)
Named on at least one ballot later in the meeting: Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn, Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks (participation, which can differ from the roll: arrivals and departures are in the minutes' text)

Adopted actions (12)

1. Agenda: Regular Meeting of October 14, 2025. (2025-781) — to approve the agenda with an amendment to add Council Business item VII.2, approval to apply for the FY25 Community-Based Violence Intervention and Prevention Initiative grant through the Department of Justice and authorization of the City Manager to sign and approve all documents and budget related … (moved by Mike Blake, seconded by Patricia Weeks); CARRIED 4-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn; nays: none — the City's minutes, pp. 1–2
Minutes: Regular Meeting of August 26, 2025. (2025-788) — to approve the minutes for the August 26, 2025 Regular City Council meeting as written (moved by Patricia Weeks, seconded by Mike Blake); CARRIED 4-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn; nays: none — the City's minutes, pp. 1–2
to approve the Consent agenda (moved by Patricia Weeks, seconded by Alex Goins); CARRIED 4-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn; nays: none — the City's minutes, pp. 3–4
1. Second Reading Ordinance 11-2025 Sidewalk Cafe Permit Fees. (2025-742) — to approve Ordinance 11-2025 on Second and Final Reading (moved by Patricia Weeks, seconded by Lavander Hearn); CARRIED 4-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn; nays: none — the City's minutes, p. 5
2. First Reading of Ord. 10-2025 Uptown Forrest Future Land Use Map Amendment. (2025-938) — to approve Ordinance 10-2025 on First Reading (moved by Patricia Weeks, seconded by Lavander Hearn); CARRIED 4-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn; nays: none — the City's minutes, p. 6
3. First Reading of Ordinance 02-2025 LDR Amendment Creating Four Corners Overlay District. (2025-495) — to take a ten-minute recess (moved by Alex Goins, seconded by Patricia Weeks); CARRIED 4-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn; nays: none — the City's minutes, p. 10
3. First Reading of Ordinance 02-2025 LDR Amendment Creating Four Corners Overlay District. (2025-495) — to return from recess (moved by Mike Blake, seconded by Patricia Weeks); CARRIED 4-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn; nays: none — the City's minutes, p. 10
3. First Reading of Ordinance 02-2025 LDR Amendment Creating Four Corners Overlay District. (2025-495) — to direct staff to meet with the property owners, hold public workshops at the Dr. Joe Lee Smith Center to have further discussions on this topic, and to postpone this item to the Regular City Council meeting on January 13, 2026 at Cocoa City Hall at 6pm, 1 for discussion (moved by Mike Blake, seconded by Lavander Hearn); CARRIED 4-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn; nays: none — the City's minutes, pp. 11–12
4. First Reading of Ordinance 01-2025 Large Scale Comprehensive Plan Text Amendment Four Corners Overlay District. (2025-494) — to postpone this item to the January 13, 2026 Regular City Council meeting at Cocoa City Hall at 6pm (moved by Mike Blake, seconded by Patricia Weeks); CARRIED 4-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn; nays: none — the City's minutes, pp. 11–12
to approve the donation application for The Success Center in the amount of $1,000 (moved by Patricia Weeks, seconded by Mike Blake); CARRIED 4-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn; nays: none — the City's minutes, pp. 11–12
2. Council approval to apply for the FY 25 Community-Based Violence Intervention and Prevention Initiative grant through the Department of J — to grant approval to apply for the FY25 Community-Based Violence Intervention and Prevention Initiative Grant and to authorize the City Manager to sign and approve all documents and budget related items for the grant (moved by Mike Blake, seconded by Patricia Weeks); CARRIED 4-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn; nays: none — the City's minutes, pp. 11–12
to adjourn the Regular meeting of October 14, 2025 (moved by Patricia Weeks, seconded by Alex Goins); CARRIED 4-0; ayes: Mike Blake, Patricia Weeks, Alex Goins, Lavander Hearn; nays: none — the City's minutes, p. 13; the vote on p. 14

Money named in the minutes' motions (what each motion did with the amount, in its own words)

$1,000 — Council: decided in an adopted motion. “approve the donation application for The Success Center in the amount of $1,000” (motion result: CARRIED; the City's minutes (2243_10_14_2025.pdf, pp. 11–12); fiscal period not recorded)
$523,787 — Council: Consent agenda item 1, approved with the Consent agenda. “Approve Task Order 2026-53 under RFQ-20-03-COC with Jacobs Engineering Inc. in the amount of $523,787 for design, permitting, and bidding services for the Surface Water Treatment Plant Chemical Improvements Project (WS23PT), and authorize the City Manager to execute the Task Order and any necessary documents on behalf of the City.” (motion result: CARRIED; the City's minutes (2243_10_14_2025.pdf, pp. 3–4); fiscal period not recorded)
$2,547,000 — Council: Consent agenda item 2, approved with the Consent agenda. “Award Bid No. B-25-07-COC, Banana River Booster Station Chlorination Improvements, to L7 Construction, Inc., of Sanford, Florida, for $2,547,000.” (motion result: CARRIED; the City's minutes (2243_10_14_2025.pdf, pp. 3–4); fiscal period not recorded)
$254,700 — Council: Consent agenda item 2, approved with the Consent agenda — authorized up to (a spending limit, not an amount spent). “To Approve a Resolution Authorizing the City Manager to Approve and Execute Change Orders in an Amount Not To Exceed $254,700 (10% of the Contract Amount) for a Total Project Cost of $2,801,700; To Approve a Resolution Amending the FY26 Budget, BAF 26-007-A for $2,801,700.” (motion result: CARRIED; the City's minutes (2243_10_14_2025.pdf, pp. 3–4); fiscal period not recorded)
$2,801,700 — Council: Consent agenda item 2, approved with the Consent agenda — total of listed amounts ($2,547,000 + $254,700), not an additional amount. “To Approve a Resolution Authorizing the City Manager to Approve and Execute Change Orders in an Amount Not To Exceed $254,700 (10% of the Contract Amount) for a Total Project Cost of $2,801,700; To Approve a Resolution Amending the FY26 Budget, BAF 26-007-A for $2,801,700.” (motion result: CARRIED; the City's minutes (2243_10_14_2025.pdf, pp. 3–4); fiscal period not recorded)
$302,187 — Council: Consent agenda item 3, approved with the Consent agenda — authorized up to (a spending limit, not an amount spent). “Approve Task Order No. 2026-59 to Jacobs Engineering Inc. for Services During Construction for the Banana River Booster Station Chloramination Project (Project WS18BR) under Continuing Services Agreement RFQ-20-03-COC, with a total amount not to exceed $302,187.” (motion result: CARRIED; the City's minutes (2243_10_14_2025.pdf, pp. 3–4); fiscal period not recorded)
$1,238,488.03 — Council: Consent agenda item 5, approved with the Consent agenda. “Approve the purchase of 20 vehicles and a street sweeper under the FY 2026 Capital Vehicle Improvement Program in the total amount of $1,238,488.03; authorize the purchase of Ford vehicles from Cocoa Ford under the Brevard County Public Entity Purchasing Contract No. 25-0217-B-HD and the street sweeper from Schwarze Industries under Sourcewell Contract No. 093021-SWZ; and Approve a Resolution Amending the FY 26 Budge” (motion result: CARRIED; the City's minutes (2243_10_14_2025.pdf, pp. 3–4); fiscal period not recorded)
$82,293 — Council: Consent agenda item 7, approved with the Consent agenda. “Approve a multi-year contract with Samsara Inc., FY 2026-FY2028 for cloud-based vehicle GPS and telematics services for City vehicles and equipment under Sourcewell Contract #102924-SAM, through the adoption of each year's annual budget, which will include any additional units added; authorize the issuance of a purchase order to Samsara Inc $82,293; and authorize the City Manager to approve any Change Orders and Budg” (motion result: CARRIED; the City's minutes (2243_10_14_2025.pdf, pp. 3–4); fiscal period not recorded)
$82,093 — Council: Consent agenda item 7, approved with the Consent agenda. “Approve a Budget Transfer BAF#26- 010-T for $82,093, transferring funds to the appropriate accounts.” (motion result: CARRIED; the City's minutes (2243_10_14_2025.pdf, pp. 3–4); fiscal period not recorded)
$210,826 — Council: Consent agenda item 8, approved with the Consent agenda. “Approve policy renewal for Workers’ Compensation Specific Excess Insurance with Safety National Casualty Corporation for the period of October 1, 2025 through September 30, 2026, with an estimated annual premium of $210,826.” (motion result: CARRIED; the City's minutes (2243_10_14_2025.pdf, pp. 3–4); fiscal period not recorded)
$1,930,062.00 — Council: Consent agenda item 9, approved with the Consent agenda. “Approve a one-year policy renewal for the General Insurance Program with Florida League of Cities, Inc., for the period October 1, 2025, through September 30, 2026, with an estimated premium of $1,930,062.00.” (motion result: CARRIED; the City's minutes (2243_10_14_2025.pdf, pp. 3–4); fiscal period not recorded)
$315,000 — Council: Consent agenda item 10, approved with the Consent agenda. “Approve a Resolution Amending the FY26 Budget, BAF#26-014-A, putting the budget in place for the Provost Park Fitness Equipment Project, and Authorize the City Manager to issue a Purchase Order up to the Budgeted amount of $315,000.” (motion result: CARRIED; the City's minutes (2243_10_14_2025.pdf, pp. 3–4); fiscal period not recorded)

Agenda (the City's wording)

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I. Opening Matters

1. Call to Order
2. Invocation
3. Pledge of Allegiance
4. Roll Call

II. Approval of Agenda and Minutes

1. Agenda: Regular Meeting of October 14, 2025.
2. Minutes: Regular Meeting of August 26, 2025.

III. Awards and Presentations

1. Above and Beyond Recognition for City of Cocoa Utility Field Service Rep Robert Bevard — 00:05:25

IV. Delegations

V. Consent Agenda

1. Approve Task Order 2026-53 under RFQ-20-03-COC with Jacobs Engineering Inc. in the amount of $523,787 for design, permitting, and bidding services for the Surface Water Treatment Plant Chemical Improvements Project (WS23PT), and authorize the City Manager to execute the Task Order and any necessary documents on behalf of the City.
2. Award Bid No. B-25-07-COC, Banana River Booster Station Chlorination Improvements, to L7 Construction, Inc., of Sanford, Florida, for $2,547,000. To Approve a Resolution Authorizing the City Manager to Approve and Execute Change Orders in an Amount Not To Exceed $254,700 (10% of the Contract Amount) for a Total Project Cost of $2,801,700; To Approve a Resolution Amending the FY26 Budget, BAF 26-007-A for $2,801,700.
3. Approve Task Order No. 2026-59 to Jacobs Engineering Inc. for Services During Construction for the Banana River Booster Station Chloramination Project (Project WS18BR) under Continuing Services Agreement RFQ-20-03-COC, with a total amount not to exceed $302,187. Approve a Resolution Amending the FY26 Budget, BAF 26-008-A.
4. Approval to transition Group Medicare Advantage Plan Coverage for eligible retirees age 65 and over from United Healthcare to Humana, effective January 1, 2026, to December 31, 2026, and payments to eligible retirees for Medicare Part B reimbursement. This is a multi-year agreement that spans nine months in FY 26 and three months in FY 27.
5. Approve the purchase of 20 vehicles and a street sweeper under the FY 2026 Capital Vehicle Improvement Program in the total amount of $1,238,488.03; authorize the purchase of Ford vehicles from Cocoa Ford under the Brevard County Public Entity Purchasing Contract No. 25-0217-B-HD and the street sweeper from Schwarze Industries under Sourcewell Contract No. 093021-SWZ; and Approve a Resolution Amending the FY 26 Budget, BAF 26-009-A, adding two new vehicles in the Building Fund and shoring up the costs for replacement vehicles in the Streets and Stormwater Divisions.
6. Approve a Multi-Year Piggyback Contract with Geosyntec Consultants, Inc. for specialized Floodplain and Stormwater Development Review Services, utilizing Lee County Contract No. CN230595CMR . This approval includes authorizing the City Manager to execute subsequent task assignments contract amendments and renewal options.
7. Approve a multi-year contract with Samsara Inc., FY 2026-FY2028 for cloud-based vehicle GPS and telematics services for City vehicles and equipment under Sourcewell Contract #102924-SAM, through the adoption of each year's annual budget, which will include any additional units added; authorize the issuance of a purchase order to Samsara Inc $82,293; and authorize the City Manager to approve any Change Orders and Budget Adjustments necessary for additional vehicle gateways up to 10% of the contracted amount. Approve a Budget Transfer BAF#26-010-T for $82,093, transferring funds to the appropriate accounts.
8. Approve policy renewal for Workers’ Compensation Specific Excess Insurance with Safety National Casualty Corporation for the period of October 1, 2025 through September 30, 2026, with an estimated annual premium of $210, 826.
9. Approve a one-year policy renewal for the General Insurance Program with Florida League of Cities, Inc., for the period October 1, 2025, through September 30, 2026, with an estimated premium of $1,930,062.00. Authorize the City Manager to execute the agreement.
10. Approve a Resolution Amending the FY26 Budget, BAF#26-014-A, putting the budget in place for the Provost Park Fitness Equipment Project, and Authorize the City Manager to issue a Purchase Order up to the Budgeted amount of $315,000.

VI. Public Hearings

1. Second Reading Ordinance 11-2025 Sidewalk Cafe Permit Fees — 00:09:57
2. First Reading of Ord. 10-2025 Uptown Forrest Future Land Use Map Amendment
3. First Reading of Ordinance 02-2025 LDR Amendment Creating Four Corners Overlay District
4. First Reading of Ordinance 01-2025 Large Scale Comprehensive Plan Text Amendment Four Corners Overlay District

VII. Council Business

1. Consider the Donation Application for The Success Center in the amount of $1,000. — 02:38:17
2. Council approval to apply for the FY 25 Community-Based Violence Intervention and Prevention Initiative grant through the Department of Justice and authorization of the City Manager to sign and approve all documents and budget related items for this grant. — 02:40:25

VIII. City Business

IX. Informational Agenda

1. Informational Only - The City of Cocoa's Open Board Vacancies.
2. Bi-Weekly Report for September 18, 2025 - October 9, 2025.

X. Reports

XI. Adjournment

XII. Notice to the Public

Transcript Partial transcript

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Deputy Mayor Patricia Weeks. And then

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want everyone please stand for invocation.

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Father God, we come before you this evening, thanking you, Lord God, for how you have blessed us to come together for such a time as this to handle city business. God, we thank you for how you said in your word, Lord God, that you would bless those ‸ who keep your commandments. Lord God, you said in your word that we will be blessed in the city, blessed in the field, blessed when we come and blessed when we go. Lord God, so I continue to speak

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Lord God, I continue to speak peace upon the residents and business

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God, as we handle city business tonight, I pray, Lord God, that you would continue to lead us, lead our thoughts, lead our minds, lead our words, that everything will be done pleasing in your sight. And we thank you and praise you for it. In Jesus' name,

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I know it's one day post Columbus Day, thank you sir.

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It was a national holiday.

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Deputy Mayor Weeks. Here. Councilmember Goins. Here. Councilmember Hearn.

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Councilmember Koss. City Attorney Garganese.

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Thank you, Madam Clerk. We will proceed forward with tonight's agenda. Moving on to item number 2-1. Chair will like to approve the agenda with an amendment added to Council Business item number 7-2.

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community based violence intervention and prevention initiative grant.

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and approve all documents and budget related items and we will

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million of dollars.

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I need a second. Second. Got a second on the floor by Deputy Mayor Weeks.

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Aye. Any nays.

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Proceeding on to item number 2-2, regular meeting of August 26, 2025. What are the wishes of council? Move

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to approve.

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Got a motion on the floor by Deputy Mayor Weeks. Second by the chair.

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going to call the question. All in favor saying aye. Aye. Any nays? Ayes have it unanimously.

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Proceeding forward to awards and presentations. We would like to acknowledge one of our very own. above and beyond recognition for the

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Am I saying that correctly?

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well. Will

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council

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please join us out front and city manager and

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city attorney

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please ma'am please sirs. Come on ‸ down. ‸ Price is right.

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Thank you very much.

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guess stand beside me. I'm not sure what the protocol is.

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Mayor,

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council members,

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guests here in attendance today. It's my distinct honor and privilege to recognize one of our great city of Cocoa employees, Robert

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He's a utility field service representative. And

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Mr.

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lives in Vieira, Mrs.

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Fay. Mrs. Fay

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had a meter issue that he took a look at and realized that there may be a leak present. He looked outside to check for leaks, realized it wasn't outside. He assisted her and get in contact with her homeowners association and directed them and give them information about what he saw. They were able to find and locate the

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link

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for ‸ this elderly lady and save her.

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led to a lot of cost savings for her. ‸ So much so that she thought it worthwhile to write a letter recognizing his efforts. And so on behalf of the city and the mayor, council and staff, we want to recognize this above and beyond service recognition with ‸ this certificate. Wonderful

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I believe the city manager may have something else he wants to bestow upon you at this time.

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eat as much as I do, but just as a ‸ token of our appreciation, I want to give you this gift card to Texas Roadhouse and say we really do appreciate you going forward and beyond.

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Thank you. Anything you want to say?

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I'm just doing my job. Okay.

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Okay. May I say something real quick?

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I just want to give you a right handshake of fellowship and commitment and dedication

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proud

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of you and we stand with you.

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well done, my good and faithful servant. And I'm sure the rest of the council will shake your hand too.

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You

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make us proud, man.

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delegations I have one card under delegations and that card belongs to the

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is it well okay we're going to give you no no we'll

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I apologize

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and it's a pleasure to see you

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let's give George Brown a round of applause yes

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Okay, seeing none, we have no delegation cards. We will proceed forward with the consent agenda item. What are the wishes of council? Move to approve. Okay, we have a motion on the floor by Deputy Mayor Weeks and a second by Councilman Goings. Just gonna ‸ call the question. All in favor we're

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aye. Aye. Any nays? eyes have it unanimously. Okay, we will proceed forward to public hearing. Item number

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second reading for

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sidewalk cafe permit this is a no-brainer this was approved by us in September 20 23rd 2025 and I do support this but I will turn this over to our illustrious and dust your super attorney for the state of Florida but he works in cocoa yours truly mr. Garganese sir

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provisions article 3 sidewalk cafe section 14-68 permit fees to specify that an annual permit fee for sidewalk cafes shall be established via resolution of the City Council providing for codification, conflicts severability, and an effective date.

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since the first reading. As you

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a very simple change.

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Ordinance proposes to remove the hard

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coding

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of that fee and in the future those fees would be adopted by resolution of the City Council.

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mrs. Webster ma'am i think you're next in line please of

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course thank you mr. mayor um um city attorney garganese is correct there were no changes since the last reading of the ordinance so um it's it's good to go with no changes okay

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do we have any questions for either mrs.

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like to close this portion to Council and over to the public. If you would like to elaborate on this particular item, please come forward, state your name, submit a card, and you have three minutes to expound on this particular ordinance, ‸ number 11-25. Second and final reading for the sidewalk cafe permit fees. Going once, going twice. Chair ‸ like to close this portion to the public and return to the Council.

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got a motion on the floor by

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gonna ‸ call the question. All in favor saying aye aye.

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We can bring you that microphone. ‸ okay man

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Thanks.

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Thank you, sir. Let me just blow my nose. When you get old, you got all this stuff.

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Always cause such a commotion. Is this baby on? Just as sure. ‸ Stop trying to bend the neck off it.

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My name is George L. Brown, Jr. I live at 555, [address] for over 50 years. Still there. uh Mayor, I would like to know if I could have five minutes, please, if you would grant that to me, because I got kind of a story I want i want

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sidewalk permit fee, sir, yours is different now the card that you submitted.

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This is different from what you submitted to me as a card.

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Okay. Yes. This is separate from that. It's a separate entity all together What we're discussing right now, Mr. Brown, is the sidewalk permit fee. oh I thought you're talking about changing the zoning there. Not yet. No, sir. Not tonight? Yes. Yes, it's tonight, my friend.

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Tonight, I can come up again?

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Yes, sir. Don't forget. uh Dick Bankhead would not allow me to forget. Yes,

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‸ Thank you, Mayor Mike. Sir,

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going to call the question. All in favor of saying aye. Aye. Any nays? eyes have it unanimously. Proceeding on

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of a core commercial zoning district. April 22nd,

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RP.

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unanimously voted and recommended that the city council

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future land use map amendment ordinance number 10 20 25. okay esquire

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garganese sir okay this is um ‸ comprehensive plan amendment. First reading in the legislative matter. An ordinance number 10-2025. An ordinance of the city council of the city of

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relating to comprehensive planning, amending the future land use map for eight parcels of real property within the city of

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totaling 1.9 acres more or less and generally located along forest avenue south of mulberry street and north of

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Street in

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Florida. As more particularly depicted and legally described on Exhibit A attached

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map designation of said parcels from high density residential to mixed use, providing for the repeal of prior inconsistent ordinances and resolutions, severability incorporation into the comprehensive plan, and an effective date and legal status of a plan amendment. Again, this is uh the first reading of this ordinance. Thank you, sir.

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Thank you very much, Esquire Garganese. um ‸ this is a no-brainer but i will turn this over to uh mrs. Webster i think members from the neighborhood that this would impact we're in support of this at the think at the PNZ board but you can rectify me i mean correct me ma'am if um if you like if i made a mistake the floor is yours mrs. Webster

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thank you mayor and council members and and city attorney yes this is uh ‸ ordinance

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a future land use map amendment first so uh parcels along forest avenue also in uptown coco village and this is the first reading as was mentioned so so what we're requesting is uh an official amendment of the future land use map which is more of a housekeeping item a map cleanup that we uh would do periodically um and it's for a designation for these eight parcels um totaling approximately ‸ 1.9 acres and uh as city attorney described runs along forest avenue on the east side of forest avenue between peachtree street and mulberry street and so um and just also these parcels as i mentioned are located in the uptown sub district of the waterfront

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about the relationship between future land use and zoning is that future land use categories are outlined in the comp plan which guides the long-term growth of the city and the zoning code defines districts in each of those categories and establishes regulations that enable development and all

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land use category and a compatible enabling underlying zoning when these are in conflict with each other there are barriers to development with resolution there will be guidelines ‸ to follow in creating opportunity for improvement and redevelopment tonight we are proposing a future land use map amendment and so the subject properties they were zoned cc which is core commercial back in 1985 when the zoning district was created as part of the coco redevelopment agency plan

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and that was a uh owner initiated request to rp and that at the bottom of the of your screen is just a little screenshot of the map from 1985 showing that it was cc at that time

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density residential which is in conflict with the current zoning of CC and residential professional. And so if one

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option to rectify this was to um you know rezone uh to make it consistent with high density residential, but that would require a down zoning, which would really limit the future development for this area. And so we're proposing to change the future land use to mixed use, which is compatible with core commercial and residential professional zoning.

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mixed use. So this is very compatible with what is already there.

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you can see that CC and RP are already applicable zoning districts in mixed use. And just an overview of what's already there, just to kind of show compatibility with the surrounding area. You have a professional office, some vacant land, a few vacant properties. You have a vacant commercial building, a vacant parking lot associated with that commercial building.

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And then, of course,

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the variety, it really is a true mixed use kind of corridor area uh there where you have ‸ just a variety of things between the library being industrial, excuse me, institutional zoning. And then you have some commercial and retail and multi-family So just a variety of um truly mixed use uh uses. And so part of our analysis was that uh

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um Article 2, Sections 15, 10, and 11 for compliance with the comp plan to determine the impacts to budget and economy, levels of service, ‸ environmental impact, neighborhood compatibility, and housing accessibility. And the determination was just that the future land use change will not negatively or adversely impact the environment, neighborhood compatibility, or housing accessibility.

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uses, including the capacity for 25 dwelling units per acre and a potential five dwelling units per acre bonus.

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And there would be minimal impact on levels of service. uh The existing character is not expected to significantly change. And we also, of course, do a an analysis with the consistency consistency of the definitions in the comp plan where um with goal 1.1 um this change is uh to maximize the city's potential as a growth center while protecting the public health safety and welfare and appearance of the village

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recreational, institutional uses along the major transportation corridor So we feel that this is um very in line and compatible and consistent with the current comprehensive plan regarding mixed use. And it does fit in with the characteristics of mixed use, which are transitional areas between high and low intensity uses and areas adjacent to those major corridors like 520,

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compact walkable environment, uh unified architectural streetscape themes. And then just also as a reminder, with it being in the waterfront overlay district,

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overlay. And so as Mayor stated, um one of ‸ prior actions was on October

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unanimously to recommend that City Council approve this future land use map amendment. So staff

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that the City Council does approve the first reading of Ordinance 10 20 25 The City initiated ordinance amending the future land use map for the subject properties from high density residential to mixed use. And as um to back up with the mayor mentioned before, there was a few inquiries from the property owners and

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uh but it was just kind of clarification on what the issue was about. There were no concerns after I provided clarifications. There were no objections at the planning and zoning meeting. So um if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer. Do

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we have any questions? uh

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i mean property owners at all that was against this and i think i read in here that uh

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it will not create any new non-conforming uses

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are there non-conforming there now

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only in a parcel size and that was ‸ something that happened back in the 80s um but like i said if they they've been existing as they are legally for for a long time so there won't be any new non-conforming issues created by the by the future land use change

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It's not going to change anything as far as uh we'll have to we would have to take a look at any new development, especially if it was a residential project, to see if the existing lot configurations or the minimum, maximum lot dimensions would accommodate. um

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um The uses will be able to continue as they are, so it really enables what's already there and will allow that to continue. I

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just want to make sure if the folks want to sell that they will be able to, you know, it'll be clear what can be done on that property. Yes, yes.

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And like I said,

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will allow, you know, the sale of the property or future development to move forward. Whereas with the conflict, it would not. Thank

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you. Thank you.

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‸ ma'am.

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to the public. Please come forward and state your name. You have three minutes to expound on this first reading of

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Forest Future Land Use Map Amendment. Going once. Going twice. sure like to close this portion to the public and return it to Council. What are the wishes of Council?

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Move to approve.

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get a motion on the floor by uh Deputy

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going to call the question. All in favor, saying aye. Aye. aye eyes have it unanimously. okay We have a multitude of cards.

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Thank you, Council.

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I just said thank you so much.

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oh yes, ma'am. Okay. You're welcome. Thank you. Okay. We're moving on to item number

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okay Tell

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first reading of ordinance number

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On this particular item, consideration of a land development code text and map amendment,

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creating section 23, four corners overlay district, establishing permitted special exception and prohibited uses, providing for performance standards, including setbacks, parking landscape, signage requirements, establishing a building design standards, establishing the boundaries of the

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article 11 of the code of of

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creating and adopting the four corners overlay district, providing for its purpose and applicability,

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providing for performance standards including setbacks parking landscaping and signage requirements establishing building design standards establishing the boundaries of the four corner overlay district particularly depicted and described on exhibit a and b attached here to providing for the repeal of prior

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ordinances and resolutions incorporation into the code severability and an effective date

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evening Alexis Crespo I'm

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pleasure to be before you again um I've got a presentation just to walk you through what is as um was read into the record of an amendment to your land development code to establish an overlay district for four corners and this is ‸ intended to primarily uh bring the zoning of the of these properties into compliance with the comprehensive plan uh with the mixed use future land use category as well as establish some uh site-specific performance standards meaning setbacks, landscaping and treat this area differently as it is a key gateway um to

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Village within the city. So this is again site specific it will only apply to the area being defined as the four corners there's a map in your package and I'll have that on the next slide. But we're generally talking about the key intersection of US Highway

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and State Road 520 right in between Diamond Square and

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and again really the gateway to downtown

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This area is within your mixed use future land use category and the inconsistency we're trying to correct through this amendment is it's currently zoned commercial parkway.

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not compliant with the underlying future land use of mixed use. This

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the uh area hatch that would be subject to this overlay district. I'm gonna ‸ click that and show

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parcel initially and based upon input received at Planning and Zoning Board discussing property owners and just direction um from the city we have removed that parcel and so now it's the those areas just right on the intersection that are that are hatched. So as I noted

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These are areas you're really focusing on as a city to beautify to allow for quality redevelopment

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creates economic vitality better quality housing

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as a vital intersection to achieving those goals and it's also the entrance to your downtown.

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in the yellow what we landed on as the four corners overlay district is shown in red on this slide.

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community outreach workshops we did discuss a larger corridor but then bringing this forward tonight we're just looking at the that key intersection but I want to submit that this area in its entirety shown in the the yellow dashed line was explored relating to these standards. So what ‸ what is the issue? uh The city adopted the mixed use future land use category in 2010. this was a unique future land use category introduced into the code. It was intended to balance uh vehicle travel, the need to move vehicles safely around the city, but also acknowledge pedestrian bicyclists. Walkability is also important, especially as you transition from the uh west side of the city where you're near the I-95 interchange. ‸ As you transition to your downtown, you want to have a changing form along that corridor to invite uh pedestrians, walkability, encourage a mix of uses, and not have solely auto oriented type uses that are going to occur in your commercial parkway, just based on the uses allowed in that zoning district, as well as the development standards associated with it.

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of um lack of of streetscape, uh orientation of parking lots interfacing with the street, um and travel lanes, and the placement of these buildings. So, in 2023, uh it was identified by staff that the CP uh district uh is not a consistent or an implementing zoning district for this future land use category. So, this is a a chart in your comprehensive plan, and the future land use element

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was brought to you a few meetings ago when we talked about the ear based amendments. And this chart says, these are our future land use categories, and these are the zoning districts that are allowed in by each category. And you can see it was determined and and found that um

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use was added in 2010. And they really are conflicting ideas, as noted, where commercial parkway, again, much more auto oriented in its intent, um whereas the mixed use was trying to encourage a more urban form to allow transition to downtown. So, to approach this issue, uh we started a community outreach in in late spring of last year and through the summer the

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and that would be in 2024,

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I believe many of you are at this meeting um

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So, in addition to city kickoff meetings, we uh underwent a large and well attended community workshop that was also streamed online, and we met with um both of the cra's um and ‸ ultimately came to you all in August uh ‸ last year, um and walked through uh this similar elements of this presentation, and noted the uh out input we got through that community outreach um effort. And then we were directed by this council to embark upon the Land Development Code amendments to implement the vision of those meetings. And so we've been working since then to prepare these amendments. um We um have met with with property owners.

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um Again, this would allow for first reading of this and then just transmittal of the comprehensive plan amendment, which is the next item on your agenda. um This is not a final adoption hearing. So in terms of of that outreach, just a couple of items to note. um It was very well noticed due to the good work by your city staff. This was noticed via mail, in the online, in the city newsletters. And we did have more than

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people in person and then um over two dozen online at that meeting.

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Then after with city council

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and got relatively consistent input ‸ on the types of uses that the city would like to see redeveloped over time within this intersection And so some of the imagery we wanted to introduce

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these are these are large streets, you're going to again have to accommodate vehicles. So it's certainly a balancing act here. But how can we locate buildings, seating areas, landscaping, parking so that we are again balancing the ability of the pedestrian to use the space for someone to feel comfortable enjoying a coffee on on the outdoor seating there, even though they are very close to an arterial roadway. And we think through through good urban design standards,

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um on SR 50 in Orlando.

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and parking areas. There's uh streetscape plannings, including hedgerow, as well as trees to make the the walking environment more shaded and enjoyable, as well as aesthetically pleasing.

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so that you're not just confronted again with with parking in the building itself, but

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And so all these are our tools we can use in our land development codes to have buildings oriented in a way where they are more we call pedestrian scale, where it's more enjoyable for the pedestrian user. Also of note here, we we know we have chains ‸ we're gonna ‸ have retail chains like a Starbucks and and other things like that that want to come to town. We have to find a way to accommodate them. And you if you've traveled throughout the United States of America, you've gone to some places and you've seen you can see the same Starbucks and it looks terrible. And then you go one town over and you're like, this Starbucks looks great. And it's a function of the Land Development Code. The Land Development Code is saying you need a few more trees in there. You need to screen your drive-through so you don't see just cars queuing up in the front. You need to have safe access for pedestrians to get in off the sidewalk through the parking lot, etc. So it really is a function that starts in this room where you're providing standards that are gonna ‸ have outcomes that are attractive. And so we just did some imagery using 3D rendering technology. And just if you pull the building to the front, if you have different architectural standards and elements, you see here this is brick facades mixed in with stucco and uh undulating roof lines and and uh just building standards as well as through the landscaping the placement of the parking behind the building, you you get a much better result um in terms of again focusing that gateway to the downtown.

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functional standpoint. and then lastly, the corner with the church also showing you can fit sizable buildings, but the the impact of of good building design, landscaping, and building placement is quite impactful. So getting into the meat of the the code change,

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currently CP is not an implementing district so it's just the way it sits today on the zoning map it's inconsistent with your comprehensive plan so we would allow CP to be consistent but subject to these overlay standards that I'll walk you through so first of all, applicable applicability wise, it would only apply to these parcels that are hatched. There was a larger area addressed through the visioning, but this is what we're bringing forward

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the core area that should be addressed through the amendment. We also proposed minor ‸ major redevelopment thresholds. So

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you don't need to come into compliance with the entirety of this code.

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in a manner to maintain value or make repairs. So we worked on that and we did start off with with different thresholds and through input of the property owners, we did modify those thresholds to try to be more flexible for properties that are not compliant today with this code and do not want to have to come up to compliance immediately upon adoption so I'll walk you through that ‸ so minor developments would would trigger only certain requirements of this code to come into place. So a minor development or redevelopment would include the change of use or those projects that require ‸ minor site plan. If you're increasing expanding an existing building by

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comply with any of this code. Once you hit

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you're going to be pulled into some minor development requirements. Then anything over 50 or above is where you're going to come into fully complying with the code. So if you go in to renovate or expand your

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need to come into compliance. Everything other than that will have limited standards being applied to them. And at one point we started

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buildings by

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with the minor elements of this ordinance. However, the property owners felt that was onerous and would limit in what they could do with their properties So we did

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enlarge buildings. So what would a minor development have to comply with again?

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if you do go up to

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So you're going to put trees along the sidewalk. ‸ to create shade and make a more walkable environment. You would bring your signage up to code. You would ensure that you have a pedestrian sidewalk to get you from the roadway into the building. So that could be through pavers or just a sidewalk ‸ through the parking lot or a direct entry to the door. And then visual screen and site design elements. So that those are fairly minor in nature. These are these could be resolved by having a couple of planters with trees in them near the front decorative planters, a fountain feature, something to create some visual interest in the site. ‸ if

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that's where you would need to come into compliance with uses, with your building placement being redeveloped, etc so this is, this is not, uh easy stuff to digest. It's I'm throwing numbers at you and, um it is hard to wrap your arms around.

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renovations of up to

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may occur without having to comply with any aspects of this overlay. So

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um there's no gas station, but let's say there was a gas station within Four Corners. That's now not a permitted use. You can continue that use in perpetuity if you're not making any changes to it. You can enlarge that

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though this ordinance says no more gas stations. So you're ‸ you're vested. your grandfathered up to that

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we're not saying anyone needs to stop their business tomorrow. We're saying please continue. You can even make improvements to it beyond what the code allows. So um non-conforming uses can continue indefinitely as long as the building renovation or expansion is less

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more flexible than your code. The code says if it's a non-conforming use, you cannot expand it at all. It stays exactly as it is. And then if you want to do anything to it, you need to redevelop it to the code. And so um this minor threshold is actually it's if you look at it this way, it's looking it's it's allowing for expansions to occur of these non-conforming uses. And then ordinary repairs. This we talked about this at length at the last PNZ was well, what if I need to put in a new AC? What if I need to paint my building? What if I need to do some stucco repairs to it? You're

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the few codes I've seen this actually covers explicitly. You can do ordinary repairs to keep your building in good shape without triggering any of these thresholds. So um your non-conforming chapter covers that uh very well for existing business owners. Okay, so and looking at uses, I think that the a lot of what you're going to hear this evening is kind of disagreement on the uses. um We we did follow the direction of the visioning we did follow the direction when we came before you last summer of what types of uses we wanted to see neighborhood serving retail entertainment type uses

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currently not permitted.

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items that will add some interest to this area and and get people out maybe enjoying outdoor seating, etc. We did eliminate certain uses at the direction of council. And that was really limited to the package store and gas stations. Those are currently permitted in CP and

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‸ uses. So based on if you look at CP

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the code today and what we're proposing gas station and package store go from being permitted to not permitted. New and used vehicle sales is currently a special exception and it's being moved over to not permitted. So those are the three big changes in terms of use. The other uses that we were discussing with property owners are not permitted today in CP and we're not proposing they be added to CP through this ordinance. as It's kind of going away from the intent we're getting but some of those uses discussed it was car wash, auto repair, um self-storage Those are not permitted today and we would submit that those would be conflicting with the intent of implementing your mixed-use future land use category. In addition to, we talked a lot about uses and triggering how to come into conformance with this. The rest of the ordinance is just really looking at design and and the visual aesthetics of these sites and proposing some um what we'll tell you are more flexible development standards than exist today in CP zoning. So we are reducing setbacks to get those buildings closer to the street. We want to have space for the landscape buffering, sidewalks, etc. But we are actually reducing setbacks which creates more ‸ buildable area on these sites. You're actually able to build a larger building.

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to more of an

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height allowances again you can get more building area on these sites. uh

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create the walkable environment.

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planters. And then screening of drive-throughs so that

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screened on the sides or rear of the building. We're also proposing some minimal or minimum architectural standards. We did include a range of

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There's lots of different architectural styles historically in the city. And we think there's a place for all those. We're just proposing some minimum standards to ensure that the buildings have. uh we'll call them We'll call it gingerbread. But some articulation along the roof lines, shutters, decorative roof that go along with the vernacular being proposed. So that if you want to do a Spanish style building or Mediterranean, you must include at least six elements so that the building actually embodies that architectural style. instead of looking like kind of uh minimal or or cookie cutter type uh style there And so this is imagery of old Florida, Mediterranean.

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are the different architectural offerings We submit that this is entirely consistent with your comprehensive plan. This is, again, introducing a zoning district that will support and be compliant with your the underlying mixed use land use category that's been in place for 15 years on these properties. You have many policies throughout the plan that states uh the zoning and land development code should be consistent with the comprehensive plan. We also think this aligns well with your policies for um attractive development, creating a sense of place in

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and allowing for enhanced ‸ aesthetics throughout the city. So, to kind of close up, uh this does take time to, redevelopment takes takes time and vision, and it takes cooperation.

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and the leadership in place there has gone through various districts to work on multi-modal roadways and retrofitting some of some of these roadways that were built strictly for automobiles and

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better sidewalk separation from the pedestrian the roadway, so that we can really effectuate the land use pattern we're looking at here.

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with FDOT, but what the city can control is the land use form,

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So,

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a very important first step in allowing for quality redevelopment of the overlay. We do submit to you ‸ this is balanced with the property owner's interests and allowing their uses to continue, again, in perpetuity and even be expanded upon without coming into compliance um until such time as they

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So, with that, I'm happy to answer any questions. First

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of all, um Mrs. Alexis Crespo, I want to say thank you very much and forgive me for not

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Proud to be

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Second thing, I want to acknowledge that

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and I was pleased because I was at that meeting in conjunction with the individuals also at the in the audience. um My thing is you mentioned and this is we're going to be dealing with Senate Bill 180 which you all know that's clearly it is a a issue dealing with state legislatures. Yes it's been approved but they are challenging this and contesting this. Now this may not be applicable to something but I would like to get some direction. You mentioned um about package stores ma'am liquor stores. I know dare on the four corners not permissible but

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episode right there

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where they tried to bring in a package store as well. Does that fall under the auspices of Senate Bill 180 or it does not? Or ‸ that's the question that maybe the city attorney or or or either one of the city attorney or the city manager can

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ordinance that's not related to this particular ordinance for the four corners. Okay so I mean as you know Senate Bill 180 is is being challenged um and there are a lot of uh specific points of those challenges so you know I think tonight's focus is

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I thank you very much for the clarification

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to make sure uh Senate Bill 180 didn't have any influence on it. That's all. Okay um

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I just wanted to say I've got questions but I'd like to me personally would like to hear from the audience before I.

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I get yeah okay. All right seeing any other questions for either ‸ city manager, city attorney, or Mrs. Crespo. Seeing none, ‸ sure like to close this portion to council over to the public and I do have my cards in order um and I'm asking that if I if you would grant me an exception so that we could get

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heart for uh empathy and empathetic toward Mr. Brown. Just bring him the mic if you don't mind chief now. Okay.

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You can be seating or standing it doesn't matter sitting or

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standing. You're a gentleman in a

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Right back at you sir. Huh. Well I already introduced myself.

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Yes sir.

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uh I just, can I get five

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Brown. Here's the thing. I want to tell you my little story. It's kind of a sad story, but i gotta tell it to you.

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my old wagon I drove around in. I crashed it one night down on

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hit the back of a car, stopped quick, started the rain, slide. Old cars don't handle. So, out of that, my seatbelt let me slide under the dashboard. I was only going 35 miles an hour. I don't go. But

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I didn't break one leg. I broke two legs. And I'm healing. But I'm not the same. I'm 82 years old. And as you know, all of it's tough. I love where I live. I've had my business there for years. Most of you folks go by it all the time. And I love the area. I've seen a lot. A lot of improvement. A lot. I thank the city

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I think our chief a lot, too, in our fire. But anyways, I had that accident. I spent a month in five hospitals. I finally got home, but

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So, to get what I'm getting at, yes um I

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sell my property. I put money in property nobody else wanted at the time. But that was my retirement. When you work for yourself, you don't put a lot of money away. So, I bought the land. And now I gotta sell it. And I'll tell you why I gotta sell it. I gotta sell it before I die, first of all. I would like to have my sister and me ‸ the only ones left in my family. I got some beautiful friends, which are going to get a good portion of it. But I got charities that I would like to give to while I'm alive and present it. I got quite a bit of money in that property and all, and plus where I live. So, it's important to me to see if what you folks are going to do about um making it so I have a code, so when I get somebody in there, they know if they can put it in. As you probably know, I had it sold sold. I had that sold for a lot of money and they said no uh car washes. It was a beauty. So anyways, that put a kibosh on there. Right now I'm trying to find out a couple of things things. One, what I can put there. Two, what I can't put there. So when somebody comes in I can say yes we can do it. When I went to sell that for the car wash and the code said car wash was legal. Now we go to the city to get a permit and they say no. We're waiting to find out if it's going to be an excuse. Excuse me. but uh anyways I like to find out what I can do and can't

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do.

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And that would help me out immensely. But I also want to know and I think I'm on the right track. Whatever you got here you want to put down in my area don't you?

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I would like for it to remain community

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sir.

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Right. Okay. Here's what I'm saying. I agree which is I just kind of. Finding out well whatever goes up there. You'd like to have down my way. That's all.

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Okay. Is

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that is that gonna ‸ be the idea? To be determined sir. Okay. So. For me to sell my property which I'm trying to do something now. How am I gonna ‸ list it? Finding out what the zoning is. What zoning

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Yeah

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let me let me try to help. Okay. um and so what's being contemplated tonight doesn't include Mr Brown's properties. um his properties have the same conflict between future land use and zoning. And so that's the issue for Mr. Brown. I think he did get a zoning verification letter from us. And so um so he has a zoning for the properties. He has a future land use, but they're inconsistent. And so therefore, he can't develop on this property.

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perhaps. And so his issue is parallel to the issue that we're discussing tonight. Recall as a Mrs. Crespo, miss Crespo presented um earlier in the presentation, that was sort of the second phase of the visioning. um And so um

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either

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we, he he needs to clear up the inconsistencies so that it's clear what he can and can't develop or what the uses are on his particular properties there. And so that's the issue with regards to him being able to sell. I have talked to

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were in conversations with uh Mr. Brown about that inconsistency. They understand that. And so, you know, again, he's in the difficult spot of future land use and the zoning are are inconsistent, incompatible, whatever the appropriate term is.

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that the area runs from i'll say the railroad tracks to fisk that fronts 520 and so that that area and and and we're

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‸ diamond square because there are future land use and zoning inconsistencies there and then anybody on staff or uh alexis can help me or fill in the gaps that i missed

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we're on the four corners how

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long is it going to be before i can sell my property

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well we have to go through the ordinances first reading second reading sir we're going to have to vote on it first how ‸ does

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that take months

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weeks um depending on the next council meeting

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but mr mayor his his question is when am i going to be able to sell my properties there again what we do tonight what you do tonight and what you

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is uh grayed out.

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When I bought my property, ‸ was all commercial general. How can they change that from what I already got unless you're

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now, so it should be

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back in the 70s?

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Yes, I did.

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Yeah, so you purchased back

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you since you purchased your property. I mean, we can research that, but but again, I just don't, you ‸ at this particular point in time, I can't tell you

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every time I get a tax bill, it's on the commercial general.

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what'd you say, Mr. Brown? I'm sorry.

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When I get a tax bill, it's on the commercial general,

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that's what i bought it as

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yeah they i don't think the tax bill lists zoning designations they use they use a use uh designation for their assessment purposes. That's

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not related to the zoning of your property.

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for him so then he could do the car wash or whatever wants to go on that property

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well i

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mean that's what's holding it up what happened in 2010.

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well then now you're you're you're you're talking you either got to change one or the other or both. Well,

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if his is not included in this, can't his be done separately? Just asking.

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know if that's spot zoning or not, but the the whole the whole sort of stretch has that that conflict. And so so, yes, separately, he has to clear up the conflict are together, under the one exercise, the conflict has to be cleared up for all. Now, I don't know how you do that individually without affecting or without setting the course for the others that may not be the appropriate course to set.

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I got a question for you. okay How do we get three marijuana shops on my street?

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There's one right in the corner. There's one out in 520 and there's one up this i

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can say I can guarantee it didn't happen on my leadership because

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And my

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That's all I'm gonna ‸ say. ‸ didn't happen under my watch. There's three marijuana

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shops and I'm not too happy with them. Okay.

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there's more people that are mentally disturbed and health problems from the stuff. That was fine and dandy for everybody. Okay. Now what are they going to ‸ Come and shut them all down? What do you do with them? ‸ So, I mean, they let

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It happened under my watch. and It happened under my watch. That's why I'm here. But, uh anyways, uh here's what I would like. Okay. You can

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wrap it up, because I have others.

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I'm sorry. i'm

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laying that I didn't

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take all

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Let me tell you something. If you could just write me a letter telling me,

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and this, this, and this in right now, and what the tentative future might be, it would give me an idea what to do. I can't even get a realtor to take it now. They don't want it because they can't sell it. They don't know, you know, uh what it fits under. Look at my point. I'm an old man. I'm busted up. I i want

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I want to get my stuff straightened out, and it's important to me. That's why I told you my little story. Everybody's got different things. And

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so, Mr. Mayor and council what I'll do is i have,

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schedule, and

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wrong, he's already received a zoning verification letter. um and so we'll, ‸ sit down with Mr. Brown and walk him through the issue. Again,

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try ‸ to, to, to give him a better understanding of where he are with regards to his properties. Thank

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you, sir. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Brown. Okay. We will proceed in this order. And, um we will give everyone five minutes who submitted a card because I want to be fair and equitable across the board. ‸ Okay.

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of. Next on the list is uh Cole Oliver, sir. You have five minutes. Okay. Thank

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you. Thank you, Mayor. council yes, sir. uh

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uh if I happen to go over five, I'd like to go up to ten, which is, these are the rules is

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I'm still not clear. How many property owners are

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representing?

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There's five parcels and there's seven different property owners within those five parcels. but

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oh okay.

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right behind you.

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He's not one of them. He represents them as a manager. Nonetheless, um

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request to keep going. um First up, uh you know, I gave Mr. Witten, the city manager, the Senate Bill 180 letter, which, as as was previously discussed, this ordinance is more restrictive and therefore would be against the state law. That letter starts

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clock on the proposed ordinance under which, if, you know, the agreed parties, my clients, feel they need to propose the lawsuit and proceed, you know, they may be forced into that. And there is a fee shifting attorney in that provision and it is the law of the land now. Yes, it is being challenged and yes, it may be addressed in the future state legislature, but as of today, that's the law. And if we're my clients forced into that corner, they reserve their rights to pursue it. You know, second,

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the community for a long time. They do own the two eastern blocks that are at discussion here today. That's the uh smoke shop on the northeast corner and

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and attended these council meetings in 2024 after that, at which this council, you know, took the input and and identified four uses that they wanted to be restricted. And that was the uh smoke shops, the car washes, the liquor stores, and gas stations. Those were specifically identified in the meetings of the

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which council directed staff to go out and and address those uses. Though my client does own the smoke shop respectfully, he was okay with that use being eliminated. um ‸ You know, but he would be under the grandfathered and under the non-conforming use as we'll discuss later. Then when the ordinance came out, it took away all of the uses, both the smoke shop and the new and used automobiles uses under the guise of being pedestrian.

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city that especially created just ‸ for these four corners in the city. And if it's such a good idea, why is that not across the entire area tonight for the first time we heard. That the smoke shop under the rule as presented tonight could expand 30% in size and still be grandfathered in and and be a conforming use under the code or non-conforming use, but permitted the 30% expansion is what

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15% I met with the city manager and staff they did increase that to 30% respectfully. You know, thank you. But why do we have a different provision than any other section of the code?

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CP district is a special exception same as you know respectfully mayor your church is a special exception in the zoning district now and now it's being made a permitted use we're requesting the same thing for new and used automobile sales and talking with the city manager he asked if we would be okay with removing the I think it's the agricultural and mobile home sales as as being allowed there and

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we feel that that property has been a benefit to the city and it's not you know we're not contesting the architectural elements that the city is looking for for its sense of arrival. place

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again, we respectfully would request be permitted as the church is being permitted in the new zoning district. finally the others will speak some more on the inconsistencies but I would like to point out that the

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removing blight and for redevelopment. And that the city is supposed to work with the owners of the properties on the land use changes. ‸ On the land use changes. And this the policy is specifically states, assuming the property owner voluntarily consents,

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affected here. Not half, but you know two of the corners. And they would consent to this, provided that the new and used automobile sales could be made a permitted exception or permitted use under the zoning districts. They would restrict themselves from agricultural equipment or mobile home sales within that use Finally, real quickly wrap up. They'll touch it on more. The city's conducted no economic studies on the viability of any of these proposed uses. And there's been no traffic analysis that removing the permitted uses now and making them inconsistent would do anything as far as the traffic counts. Nor the addition of new permitted uses, what those additional traffic counts would do to the pedestrian safety. So

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intensive than some of the uses that are permitted now under the guise of being pedestrian friendly. But there's been no evidence from you know presented to the city as to that I just don't personally believe that adding a brew pub as a permitted use it where you're serving alcohol to people

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could you know be considered a pedestrian friendly use.

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So again, in conclusion, from my clients perspective, simply asking that we remove this dual standard that's being created as it relates to the major and minor developments, just leave it as the rest of the city code ‸ has with

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with the non-conforming uses. But to the extent, if you do leave it the same, we request that we incorporate the statements that were made

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building is still allowed. And then we would respectfully request that the city add in new and used automobile cells, x ag equipment and mobile homes as a permitted use. And if you have any questions, I can try to answer them, but emphasis on try.

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Okay. um Councilman

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light is on.

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Yeah, the question I had was about the permitted use. Yes, sir. um

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major and minor development.

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I don't necessarily understand what that means and what is he asking for. But the the permitted use, so

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out is the ag and the mobile and then add in new and used auto sales.

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can add in that one definition in the city code of new and used automobile sales. And within that code language that we took straight from the code, it also included ag equipment and um mobile home

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we would restrict it even further than that code use as it was only restricted.

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I think what i what i what

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heard you say. So

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Oliver is suggesting that it would be put in as a permitted use and they don't have an issue with um no ag equipment and no mobile homes. I think that's just my plain okay way of saying it.

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special exception and making it permitted

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run at that. Again, it's complex. But the the current code uh says non-conforming uses. There's there's one standard. The 50 rule is what it's commonly called. So if you have a non-conforming use and you enlarge it, expand it, renovate

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full compliance with all the codes. We, in our opinion, our proposal is more flexible and allows them to make minor modifications without having to come into compliance with the code today. So we have the

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Our initial threshold is

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uh So you

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certain elements of the code. uh

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I'm surprised she didn't nudge me to say. Under the current code, any expansion of a non-conforming use is going to, that, that is not allowed though. So you can actually, under this, the key difference and why it's more flexible is because you can actually expand

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of the code. Whereas there's no expansion allowed at that building.

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that is,

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going to allow them to do some modifications and not trigger

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it. Is that what I'm hearing? Correct. The car, for we can use the car dealership, which is a valid existing example.

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threshold without losing the use. Whereas any expansion of that building under the current

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I understand that

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If it's a non-conforming use, you cannot expand it.

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Because the idea is, we'll allow you to stay, but we don't, but if you you can't enhance it or expand it. Because we do want to redevelop properly at some point.

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Oliver just spoke to you about. ‸ we uh attempted to, when this first, when I first got notice of it, I was excited. I was like, great, you know, let's let's let's let's try and get something good for the city here and we're always open.

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‸ would you give me one minute, please? ‸ sir. I want to be fair and equitable. um A total of eight minutes for everyone, please. Okay. ‸ Just want to be fair and equitable.

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So we, uh

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manager and I said, this is this is a great idea. You've got four corners, you've got a couple of owners, let's get together and and figure out a solution so we can deliver something. Because that's how, we own a fair amount of commercial property, that's how redevelopment traditionally goes. The visioning is great. You want to get the city and the the the people involved and you want their input, but you got to talk to the owners and you got to get the owners input because they're the ones that have to invest ‸ capital to make it happen. uh And

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is getting getting a win for both people.

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really able to get a meeting with uh the city until we got our notice that

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haven't really had a chance to give any feedback on this. A lot of other people have given feedback, but not the four owners. And you're not going to get any redevelopment. You're going to have,

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Starbucks. But if you don't talk to the four people who own it, you ain't going to get that. So, uh and and we wanted to make sure that the people get what they

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says, uh meet with the owners and get the owner's input. So uh at that point, we finally get our meeting and we were opposed because the the proposed code is outlawing my two uses. So I've got a smoke shop and, you know, a used car dealership. And in talking with everyone, I understood that

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And we went in, you know, I went in ready to concede. That's fine. ‸ I don't need that as an allowed use, but I've had a car dealership there for a while as a tenant. ‸ I'm not the operator. We're just the owner. And we were hoping that that use would be protected, you know, and we really wanted to be able to work with the city. The other issue I had is that

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was anywhere else in the city. Now, one of the issues that I do want to raise is the points that they had said about it being more permissive and allowing stuff. This is the first time that I'm hearing about this tonight, and I would really like my attorney to have an opportunity to review that actual code, because during our meetings, we tried to go through the code uh

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we've heard testified tonight and what we've actually been able to review

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need to know which one I'm supporting. What they said sounds good. I haven't seen code language that says that yet. And we I mean, I've been paying thousands of dollars to an attorney to see the code language and read the code language. And

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just due to the way this process is kind of going before there's a vote or before I say whether I support it or not, I'd really like the opportunity to review it because uh the way that this process has gone has not been the greatest. uh But we want to work and we're committed to to working with the city to try and ‸ find a win for the for the citizens and the owners. So what I'm asking for tonight is I i don't mind having a smoke shop, not as a permitted use. What I would like is

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there or which I've had a tenant there as an owner to to get the same as a business and property owner. I'd like to be shown the the same uh be treated the same as we're treating the church. I would like that to be a permitted use for my car dealership. uh You know, and I'm like I said, i'm there's no opposition to uh not having a smoke shop there.

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to reconcile what was said about having this new permissive major and minor thing. I i need to see that in the code because that's I haven't been able to see that yet.

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is more owner if it's only these four corners that has a

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The rest of the city has a

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I don't understand why these have a more restrictive threshold than the entire rest of the city.

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or in the event that this is uh more permissive. I need to be able to review that because my previous review did not show it as being more permissive or equally permissive. um So that's all that we're asking. uh Just we're fine with conceding a smoke shop. I would really like that the use for um

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Because right now, none of the owners support this. So we've got this thing where we're coming in and we're saying redevelopment and we're showing these pictures and stuff. All the people whose stuff it is are like, we don't want this zoning. You're not fixing anything for us. You're not solving any problems. You're making it more restrictive. we Personally, as an owner, I really want to work with the city and I really want to find something that works for the city and works for us. Regarding Senate Bill 180, Senate Bill 180 is pretty clear that if that is for the state says for a hurricane affected area, which we are, if you give zoning that is more restrictive, that the property owner can challenge that and that the city is going to have to pay attorney fees and all of that. ‸ I don't want that. I just want one of my uses protected and I'd like the rest of my stuff to be treated fairly. You know, that's i I we are not

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I'm in the business of just trying to run my businesses and my properties. And that's what I want to do. ‸ And I'm here asking you to work with me because I haven't necessarily gotten the help that I've needed from the city up to this point

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I don't want to do the Senate Bill 180 thing. It's not a win for me. It's certainly not a win for the people. It doesn't make me feel good. I don't want to do it. I just want to be able to run my car dealership. And like I said, I'll concede the other ones. And I'm just asking to be treated fairly like anyone else would be in terms of how the major and minor applies to being grandfathered in. So. That's all that I have. I'm happy to answer any questions.

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what would you envision putting there?

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The the current ‸ the proposed code is very, very restrictive. And I don't to be honest,

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It's going to be whoever comes to me. It's a small lot. My my big concern with all of this is ‸ and where my energy and focus and that my resources and money is trying to figure out the solution to my car dealership lot, because that's a much more profitable lot. uh The smoke shop is such a small lot on a small footprint. It's just going to depend what kind of tenant would want to come in there and would want to rent. But in terms of uh proportionally, in terms of my income, the much larger one across the street is the car dealership. And that's why that's why I'm willing to concede the smoke shop. I understand that it's unpopular and like I get that. And and, you know, hopefully there's some finding we had a financial institution that was in there before. So maybe a financial institution or, you know,

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I got you. And when you say that, um you know, I agree the city should have met with the homeowners before any of this even started to say they wanted to do it. So um I'm sorry that that didn't happen, but uh try to work with you now. so I

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appreciate it.

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City Manager.

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Yes, sir. and i And I said this, John, last at the planning and zoning meeting when you said that very same thing.

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there was a meeting, at least on my on my schedule. uh

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those were three meetings, three opportunities for meetings. I think ‸ the three meetings did actually occur. So.

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yeah Can I respond to that?

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thing. I introduced me to myself personally. I sent a couple of emails beforehand saying, hey, we're really interested in this and we want to work together. um I think the other owners had the same thing. We are easily available. I personally introduced myself and asked to be kept abreast and was very willing to work at this point. I mean,

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but I, I'm happy to further discuss that. But I mean, you you guys have all my contact information. I've reached out. We really wanted to be collaborative in this.

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And this started

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well, when you say again, this is, um these are the facts absolutely did meet him at the

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so, so he has an opportunity to present, uh his proposals. We met on three occasions there. So I, ‸ reject his facts that we didn't meet.

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I'm saying before all of even before visioning, I would have thought you would have talked to the owners to say, Hey, we're looking at doing this. um that that's all I'm saying is that everybody get a letter. Did

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they give it, do they get a letter city manager? How do they inform the public?

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Yes, sir. The letters, the letters went out. um you know,

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um the issue was raised 2024. uh we had the visioning, uh workshops that's taken some time. We've gone to planning. And so there's ample opportunity for everybody's input ‸ again. um you know,

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Meeting and not agreeing is a is a is another uh basis of fact.

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you. Okay. Thank you very much, Mr. ‸ board um Mrs. solik Esquire, and then after

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will be um Pablo, excuse me,

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Yes.

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Yes. Have they been passed out? Okay, great. Thank you. um I'm going to talk fast. uh

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Well,

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1500,

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the owner of the property on the southwest corner of the Four Corners intersection. It is the only vacant and unimproved property that you're

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with me tonight. They both intend to speak. ‸ Our position is that you should simply amend the comp plan to add CP, commercial parkway zoning, which is the existing zoning on all these properties, as a zoning district consistent with mixed use. You'd make us happy.

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if you did that, if you just changed, if you just added CP as an allowable zoning district in your comp plan under mixed use.

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use designation or the CRA. The future land use mixed use policy, commercial uses are deemed to be consistent. There are no specific on uses, and there are no limitations on commercial uses in your future land use mixed use designation. ‸ It states that this category is to be applied to the us 1 and 520 corridors as the most intense commercial areas in

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Reasonable and logical planning would dictate that the most intensive commercial uses should be along these corridors.

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particular uses, and high quality development is something we can all agree on. The overlay district limitations on uses do not reflect the direction of the mixed use future land use or the CRA for commercial uses, and certainly don't reflect reality. The first, the top page on the exhibit that I've handed you shows you that the largest single landowner in the Four Corners area is FDOT. They have six

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There's four lanes of travel on 520 with seven lanes at the intersection and plenty of right away to add to a widen 520. the second page in that package is the dot trips information. It's from 2024. The average daily traffic counts at 520 at that intersection are 28 000 cars a day. On

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cars a day. The predominant use in this area is a regional transportation networks, including roadways and rail for freight and passenger service. The largest landowner's goal is to move as much traffic as as quickly and simply as possible along these two roadways. Traffic is never going to be any less in these intersections,

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traffic. You as a city don't control the right of way You don't control curb cuts, driveway cuts, signals, medians, road widenings, pedestrian crosswalks, bike lanes, sidewalks in the right of way or utilities. You want this area to be walkable, but

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‸ and ‸ the

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piece of reality is the small parcel size

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similar in size. And they're never going to get any bigger due to physical constraints. There's the cemetery, the railway, and existing roadways. There's no opportunity to assemble these small properties to larger properties to accommodate the uses that have been proposed. And unlike your uses downtown ‸ that you would like to see here, there's no on-street parking available to support any of these properties. there And they're not going to be large enough to handle employee parking and user parking for the users uses that have been proposed. Another factor of reality is economics. The overlay list of uses, lots of lovely ideas for proposed uses, but we live in the real world and projects have to be feasible. The rents have to be high enough to cover construction costs. The end users need the demographics to be profitable. And there has to be enough parking to support the use. My clients have owned this property since

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They've been engaged in substantial marking efforts throughout that whole period to try to find users from that for that property.

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engaged in to find users on the property. But the only serious interest they've had is for a gas and convenience store. And we really don't understand why this use is being villainized at this location. The intersection is exactly where you would expect to find this use, an intersection of the highest concentration of motoring public in the county. The product is something that most of us purchase regularly. It's not a vice. It can be legally sold to minors. And most people think it's a necessity. We think it's been villainized because it may not, some of the uses that you've seen may have not been designed with care. But it's possible to do so. The next sheets in your package are

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They were used at the RVI visioning workshop. They're the slides that follow the Starbucks slides.

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that you can use the same principles that

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to design and

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a very attractive and walkable gas and convenience store. With all due respect to the other property owners

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I would urge you to focus on our property. The other owners are fighting to keep the uses they already have. They're fighting to keep the status quo. Our property is vacant. I don't blame those other property owners for trying to maintain the status quo. They're enjoying a return on their investment.

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And they're they're motivated to do something with this property. This property could be the domino that kicks off other development in the area. So please leave our current zoning CP in place. And it and don't limit our uses that would make uh the CP zoning leaving the uses in place would make it in uh consistent with the intent of the CP district. You at one point thought CP zoning was the appropriate zoning on this property. And the intent of that district as set forth in your code is to serve the needs of the motorist and provide an amenable impression on the city. We can do that with a carefully designed product. We we can live with architectural standards. Just don't take away the CP uses. So I'm going to leave you with one final thought. Ask yourself this. What is worse for your community? A well-designed gas and convenience store that provides goods, services, employment, and tax base? Or a major intersection that screams to 30 000 cars a day that no one wants to make an investment in your community.

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and talk to you about their efforts to market the property.

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I just needed some clarification. So the portion of Blake,

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part of that property. Was it the city that, uh made that possible to, uh incorporate that into that property? That

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right away was vacated. Yes. And that is a process you have to go through with the city. Okay. And the city approved that.

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And do you know what the purpose of that was? That the

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‸ because that was part of the,

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the part of ‸ the transaction they purchased the property in. So you

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Well, I'm going to add one thing. We, uh my clients came to me in late 2023 about this problem. They, they knew they had a comp plan zoning inconsistency. They can't do anything with the property. What can we do? um ‸ we filed a rezoning application to down zone it, to

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just to create consistency. So we could at least market the property and tell potential users, here's what you can do on the property. That's what triggered you in your visioning process was our rezoning application. And we were set

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sorry.

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said, we're going to add CP zoning to the comp plan. We're going to fix your problem. Will you hold off? And we did. And look where we are now. We're worse off than we would have been if we had gotten CN zoning.

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that's, that's how you've worked with us. okay

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Good afternoon, esteemed uh mayor, council, and everyone here. Thank you for your time, your consideration. um I want to start off, Mr. Brown. I

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born in the 70s. i was born in 1980 i'm only 45 but i did buy this property in 2015. i have a lot of money invested here. This is the single largest asset where I have money. I have children now. I bought this before being married. And

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so um Stone Street was vacated. It was vacated to uh to do a Cumberland Farms, which is a gas and convenience store uh that, you know, we were trying to do with the city um when that took place. So

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my background, uh what it is that I do for a living, uh which relates directly to the efforts that have been undertaken with this property. But before that, I just want to give you a little a little note and maybe share a little common sense with you guys. uh Like I said,

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a six-year-old. um I have a you know very energetic four-year-old. i have um ‸ I have, you know, very energetic pets, you know, dogs. I have a grandma that's 90 years old. She's, you know, she's ‸ she's elder. um When we try to understand mixed use and what is mixed use and what isn't mixed use, let me give you an example. You don't have to answer. This is just for you guys to take home and think about it. Okay.

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Mixed use is is a place that is walkable. ‸ I would, you know, I saw that you guys were passing the ordinance 1025. You guys know where that's located. You guys are locals. Pictured it in your brain. You would take your grandma there. You would take your kids. If you have kids, your grandchildren.

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and you would probably go for a walk in that area. Very different than these four corners. This is not mixed use. We made a mistake in 2010 when we tried making this mixed use. Because we make a mistake doesn't mean, you know, doesn't mean that it, you know, that it has to continue being wrong because we can pass this.

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if This is going to be your legacy. You know, it's probably going to continue to be challenged in the future because there will be no progress if we do this. That's not mixed use. If you guys wanted to go for a walk at

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in the morning when it's hot, when it's rush hour, bring your grandma, bring your grandchildren, bring your kids, bring your pets

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walk. You will not do that because

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I also skid out of a road twice in the rain

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that

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corridor.

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where

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you can do out of convenience. Anyways, getting back to my experience. um

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estate

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when I was in high school,

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I would go to Miami-Dade Community College at night while in high school so that I could get licensed since a very early age. You know, I'm self-made. I would go to school full-time and work full-time.

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you know, I evolved, I got into the brokerage business. I've been doing this for quite some time. I joined colliers International, which is the firm that I work for now, about six or seven years ago. We're a leading national and uh and local provider of commercial brokerage services. We have nine offices in the state of Florida. So we have a global reach, national reach, but we also have a very strong local presence. um I'm particularly in the in the retail services division. um And as a result, we, you know, we tend to handle these types of deals, you know, retail, retail transactions. Our marketing efforts at this property have undergone three years and thousands and thousands of dollars of of efforts.

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which, you know, appeals to vehicular driven businesses. um You know, the bright line station is an element that has definitely put Coco on the map.

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our Orlando office, to go to our

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are walking distance to to the bright line It's a phenomenal amenity that

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I'll probably take

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come here. um The property has a lot of limitations. um You know, the railroad tracks, the fact that, you know, you have two major roadways surrounding it. The FPL electric transmission and distribution lines that limit its potential tremendously. You know you have requirements from the transmission lines that just make it.

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can't go vertical.

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but when we compare the

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and

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demographics for

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versus the average of Brevard County ‸ and the State of Florida, we're still lagging.

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want to expand to at the moment unless we start seeing the domino effect of you know growth and and and potential, which we we want to push uh

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um And, you know, we've you know ‸ we've marketed this you know professionally.

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You can see the thousands of of eyeballs that have, you know, that have looked at it. And I can tell you firsthand, we we we've had multiple um gas and convenience stores that are interested. We've presented, we put this in front of, for example, supermarkets. ‸ site doesn't work for a supermarket. you know

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that are required. They wouldn't be able to, uh you know, to provide the parking. They wouldn't be able to make it work with the limitations of the of

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Starbucks. They don't have an expansion plan in this area. That's that's that's the answer that they've

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Burger King, they actually closed the location down the street. um McDonald's, they have the area already covered in their opinion. in their opinion

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This has been in front of them. We've actually gone to, you know, I've gone to the conventions. I've sat down with the real estate managers. I know them. I call them, you know, and it's it's it just doesn't work. So, in essence, the constraint site doesn't support mixed use. Believe me on that. And, you know, it would it would suppose it will support a use that would be uh driven by vehicular traffic. So that's really what I have for you guys. If anyone has any questions, I'm happy to respond to

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I mean, yeah, he could give us that's man he could give us time to speak on ‸ all

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your time to Pablo?

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He's right here.

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corner. You

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you have the map right there. So it's on the bottom left of the, of the area being discussed of the four corners.

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Yes. They own a

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And as Mary, our attorney saw these the easy fix, even to fix Mr. Brown's problem is if you guys just added the

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We didn't wake up today and think about this. You know, we, we filed the application in 2023. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees trying to fix this. And we've been going at it aggressively since 2023. We had the property under contract with a car wash and we weren't able to close it. The car wash actually lost their deposit. You know, so we,

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anything with it right now. I

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uh take, take me back to, um the time when the

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Cumberland Farms ended up selling the company, the entire company sold to a different company. And that's public, public information. um when that happened, there was a reassessment on their, on their side of every single deal that hadn't come out of the ground. There was, there, they, ‸ actually had filed permits with the city. You, you must have records of, of, of, of,

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you know, and there was, you know, we're finding out that there was also the inconsistency, you know, with, uh you know, with, uh future land use and the Sony. You know, which was probably what was causing the delay when they came in. They said, you know, no, we're pulling out.

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All right. i'm good. Okay.

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okay Thank you.

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they Mary and Pablo pretty much covered it. You know, I've been, I know Mr. Blake for many years before he, before, before the round of the mayor, he was a councilman when we did the Cumberland Farms. That deal fell through. um I mean, the only thing I have to say is, you know, we're trying to make this deal work and putting more restrictions. on what's there on the, under the CP is going to make it harder for us. That's all. So we're trying to make something happen there. Right now it's a city. Vacant. My landscaper loves it. He cuts the grass every few weeks. He's the only one making money. It would be nice if we made a little money too. So, um yeah. So hopefully we could get to a place where everything works for everybody. And, uh

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And

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something nice. No matter what it ends up being, it's going to be something nice. We don't have anyone on the table now. We're just talking to a lot of people. um but we need to, we need to get the ball rolling and move forward. because this staying in this situation isn't helping anybody. That's all. Thank you.

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cards out? Because this is the last card I have. okay yes we can

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Thank you.

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With the approval of council after

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then I

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Good evening, Mayor.

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Members

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of City Council, my name is Kim Razanka. I'm with the law firm of Lacey Razanka in Melbourne. I'm here on behalf of East Florida Motor Sales, Inc. owned by Mike Erdman. He owns two parcels

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one that's not the pizza place. ‸ This is a 2010 issue.

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when I represented the property buyer for Max's property for a car wash. It was not well received. And at that point, the issue was it wasn't compatible between the future land use and the zoning.

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‸ we are here due to something that happened by the city in 2010. This was created by the city. It's been over 15 years. This property might have redeveloped. All this property might have redeveloped had this not been caused by the city so long ago. I would like to state that I was at PNZ, both

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about how this was supposed to be transit oriented like the CP zoning stated. And it was not pedestrian friendly. In fact,

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I hope you reviewed them because we all spoke at length at both of the public hearings.

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time. We did have two meetings with Mr. Whitten and we were asked to make our suggestions and ‸ all of them were rejected. We hired Cindy Thurman, a well-respected planner and expert. She provided a 20 page memo to you all and rebuttal of the staff's opinions. I hope you have read it. I have copies if you need it. That will form the basis of any lawsuits that may be that may be undertaken because you all are impacting the property rights here.

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There's been no business impact estimate. I understand it's not required at this time, but I would think you would want to know the actual impact on these property owners before you vote on this. That has not been provided in their strict requirements of cost estimates and things like that that should be known to you before you vote on this ordinance. This four corners area is not Cocoa Village. The entrance to Cocoa Village is on Hewlett where you guys have paid to put in signage and decorations.

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This is different. This is truly pedestrian, ‸ pedestrian not friendly and transit oriented.

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There is no way residential is going to go there. That doesn't make sense to have mixed use on less than two acres of property. Anyway, it's access challenge due to traffic. You have high

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volumes

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of traffic. You have lots of speeders and you have very short entrance ways that are often closed by parked ‸ cars trying to go through the intersections. All of this property would have redeveloped if the market demanded. You are trying to

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And nothing is going to change the traffic on the FDOT roadway.

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adding at least 10 trips a day onto that trip ‸ right the roadway ‸ right there. What

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provided to you is information I got through public records and it's the work order for RVI. This process apparently started in January of 2024. And if you read the proposal, this was preordained. They knew what they were going to do when they started. All those visioning workshops, that's all made up just to make this make sense. Because these uses don't

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by the property owners that said they've tried everything to develop their vacant property. It talks about what's incompatible, what they're going to do. They talk about having stakeholder meetings, yet no one spoke to the four property owners.

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called. It even says on page two of this, they want to talk about prohibited uses, which are things that are already there. This was preordained. Somehow this was designed to get to this exact position. Interesting to

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project.

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What I want to do is go through this ordinance and tell you why it is more restrictive.

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is now.

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everything that is more restrictive. And you will see as you go through it, all the yellow, that is more restrictive.

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And it says it implements the redevelopment plans vision. It doesn't as defined by Ms. Thurman's memo. But if you look on page six of the ordinance, gym and fitness facilities are now limited in size.

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integrated. Retail stores can only cannot exceed 30,000 square feet. These are things that are not in your code today. These are more restrictive. If you look on page seven, the prohibited uses. 12 uses are included in here that were allowed previously in your ordinance.

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If you go through page eight, all of those things that are highlighted are things that were allowed previously are no longer allowed. ‸ If you look at the setbacks, the requirements for rear, that 15 feet is more restrictive. You look at the parking, that's more restrictive because you can't have it in front of the buildings. You look at the landscaping, that requires a 10 foot buffer. We only require a five foot buffer currently. ‸ Look at the canopy trees. They say they have to be three feet in height. They only have to be two feet in height right now.

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That's not in the ‸ code currently. If you look at page 11, none of these building design standards are currently in your code. All of these are new and they are more restrictive to the property owners that currently exist there and to use of the current

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I would ask that you not adopt this ordinance or if you do adopt the ordinance because it's such a fabulous ordinance, take out the

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Those properties are the ones in the corner with

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But take out the requirement of these properties.

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And I

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use amendment, just take out within the FCOD and just keep CP that will fix Mr. Brown's problem.

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and we can go forward and develop this. This ordinance unreasonably and unfairly burdens the property and it runs contrary to the investment back to expectations of ‸ Mr. Erdman. And I ask that you deny this ordinance. Thank you.

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We have a question, ma'am.

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Yes, sir.

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So if I heard correct, you represent Mr. Erdman's property, correct?

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Yes, sir.

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So there are plans or there is a want to develop that property. Is that that's what's in process? It's just this is holding it up, correct?

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Uh, there Mr. Erdman doesn't have anyone looking to buy the property currently. It's it's the property to the south that that wants to build

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this. They can't build because it's inconsistent. Truly, we couldn't do anything right now.

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Gotcha.

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We can't we can't redevelop, but we can use the building as is for the uses that are allowed or may be allowed.

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but you can't sell it because you don't know what they can do with it.

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is. But I just wanted to clarify because I thought it was for sale at some point. Yeah,

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there was a suggestion to Mr. Whitten that maybe it could be purchased for a bus stop that he did not respond.

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I know.

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That was my suggestion.

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I texted it to you.

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Yeah. Do we

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Saying none. Thank you very much, ma'am. Chair ‸ like to close this portion. We've given you the opportunity to speak, Mr. Brown. I will allocate you one minute.

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One minute will do

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it.

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Okay. They all make sense. Please consider that. It's been vacant for so long. They're going to bury me up there. Thank you, sir. Please consider it. And the car lot, take that out.

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You're going to take that out? No. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, sir.

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uh,

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a motion for a 10 minute recess.

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Well, let me, let me just verify with staff. I've been told this. I just want to verify. Um,

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Yes, sir. That's correct.

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And so Mr.

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Brown's property is

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general commercial, not commercial parkway.

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What if we took out this doing the CP thing that would not fix this? Cause he currently at CG right now.

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He's a different zoning.

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So then what's keeping him from being able to do anything with it?

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See, I'm seeing a consistency between future land use and zoning. He just has

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‸ Future land use.

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do a 10 minute.

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Okay.

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that Mr. City manager. Yes, sir. Okay.

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My question is to the property owner on the South property. Um, so your dilemma is currently as the, uh, current, uh, use, you can't sell the property and have it or have it developed. Correct. ‸ So as outlined in the visioning pictures, there was a plaza, a commercial plaza, uh, that looked like it hosted multiple businesses. Um, I've heard that you went out and tried to get interest.

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you start, I've had multiple businesses, uh, franchise businesses that

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They just didn't have the commercial property to move in.

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Yeah. So, so look, the, the situation here is that since it's a, it's a vacant lot, um, if, if you are to develop the property, if we get over this, the issue that's at hand, which is the inconsistency between the future land use and the zoning, and you're able to develop it, um, then you have the economic, the economics kick in and you know, the, the easiest path for this property would be a ground lease with the tenant paying for the development, because that's, that's what a ground lease is. Essentially they pay rent on the ground and then, you know, and then they, they, they, they foot the bill for, for whatever is constructed, you know, obviously they go through the permitting process.

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property has been from, uh, tenants that are interested in doing a ground lease. And those are typically going to be national, national tenants, single tenant, you know, users. Yeah. So the interest that we've been able to garner outside of Cumberland farms, which was a real deal that was brought up on the, you know, the, the city has been as of recent, it's been to other gas and convenience stores.

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ground leasing. They wanted to buy it, but you know, we went through, we, we, we, we went through a PSA purchase and sale agreement.

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to be able to navigate, uh, the inconsistency. They lost their deposit and they canceled the deal. They walked away. Uh, they weren't able to, you know, they weren't, they didn't close because they just weren't going to be able to get through with this. And you know, it was going to be a very good looking car wash. There's car washes that, you know, that have strict design criteria that make it work. But those are the main users. It's, you know, gas

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inconvenience

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and car wash has been, have been the, the main, you, you know, the main interested parties in the, in the property.

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Your light is on.

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on invest with investment, um, what the two benefits are, are not together, right? We, we, we had the issue downtown with

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and people not wanting this or not wanting gas station, not wanting condos.

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be what,

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those commercial businesses, um, they don't desire to be in a particular address. And so that's where the conflict lies and that's what make this decision so difficult for me.

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to many different businesses where, you know, or, or citizens say, oh, well, we want this, um, Chick-fil-A on this corner. Why don't we have,

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but those style of restaurants. Why did, why we don't have that here,

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a Sun Tree. Right. And so, and it's not, it's, they look at the bottom line where we looking at our desires. And I think that's, that's where the conflict is in far as decisions like this, you know, and I don't want to see, I don't think none of us want to see that corner being a desert, right? We don't, we don't want to see it empty. I think that's, that that's where I am right now. I'm very conflicted because I think the initial conversation, I know for me and members in my district started because of the railroad closing on Stone Street, all those different conflicts of, uh, community feeling left behind. Um, uh,

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one time it was supposed to be a gas station, not a gas station community is in the uproar about what is it going to be. And, and now here we are, you know,

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And so whatever decision that we, we, we make, I know it's going to be a difficult one for me personally, because I just,

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I know what that looks like for these, for these owners.

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to sell. Maybe they're just waiting around for us to leave. I don't know.

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what, what, what I'm saying is, so it's a reality that we have owners that, that have a difference of, um, opinion, uh, in a financial, um, commitment for their properties that they're currently paying taxes on,

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They're paying a tax on that property and not getting a return on investment right now. And so, you know, what, what, that's not a good chance.

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Well,

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that that's the, that's

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that's the, that they're, you're absolutely correct. But that there lies the conflict. So your attitude towards that, that's where, which is not a, I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'm just letting you know, that's where the conflict lies. So that's what in these 10 minutes, you know, it's like, I'm pretty sure there's gonna be a lot of thoughts and questions about what to do with that. And I just, I just wanted to make that, made that point.

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that wasn't a, whatever the opinions that we have and thoughts that we have, I just know for me, it's going to be a very difficult decision on this to me, based on the conversations I've had with the owners.

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‸ Okay.

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I, I, I, I will let you go, ma'am. But let me say it this way. My house is the closest to the intersection than anyone else's house.

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over 60 plus years in my life. And I'm 65, my grandparents home. Uh, we've attended meetings,

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there at Jolie Smith. And clearly beyond a shadow of a doubt, the citizens in that area, ask for certain things. They want to address the community as a whole issue because of the location. It is a food desert because that area, if we want to go to a grocery store and I'm aware that, that it is restrictive there to, um, not allow a, a, a grocery store ‸ there, but beyond a

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shout

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of a dog, there's nothing says that a Krispy Kreme can't go in there or even Raisin Cane chicken location because that the car lot dealership used to be Bojangles.

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Let me say it that way. Now I'm telling my age, but see,

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There again, they're going to get in their vehicle and leave. And, but here we are still ‸ dealing with that issue there and the citizens of that area. And that is the reason why I want them to make, I'm a staunch supporter of capitalism. But then again, when the community asks for certain things, then we should address the community because the community votes. If we're going to get hardcore and, and grind knuckles, that community votes religiously. So on that note, you know, that's why they pay us the big bucks to make those difficult decisions.

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that road daily.

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muchachas.

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‸ Well, I have a lot I want to say, but I would like a 10 minute recess first.

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Second. All

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in favor saying aye. Aye.

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Second by deputy mayor weeks.

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well. Okay, deputy mayor weeks, ma'am.

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Well, I've got a few things. The one that came up tonight, the biggest was the 58,000 in cars that go through that intersection when you do what's the ‸ 28 and the 30 the other direction that's 58,000 cars going through that intersection. I think that is not a walkable intersection as far as I'm concerned. And I was really shocked to hear that. And then I drive past all those properties all the time. And I don't know about traffic going in and out. Obviously, there's not room when you look at the properties to have say,

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where you had residential upstairs and commercial downstairs, there's not room parking for for the tenants or the owners of the condos or

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whatever is

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above, much less parking for employees ‸ and and people who would come to say a clothing shop or one of those shops. So it makes sense to have stuff where people are moving through quickly. The picture that was brought up of the 7-eleven. There's a beautiful 7-eleven in Vieira at Vieira Boulevard right next to the ball fields that you don't even know it's a 7-eleven. It's brick. It's really nice. So I know that gas stations can be done well where they look they look very nice. It's the nicest 7-eleven I've ever seen. The all the owners, I mean, this happened in 2010 with the with the comprehensive plan making all their properties.

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and for 15 years. Now I know the one gentleman bought his after that, but the council wasn't us. We weren't here then, but has put this on them and and now it's up to us to fix it. And I don't think going to a mixed use is the best way to ‸ do that. ‸ I like the idea of adding CP into the comprehensive plan. I know it won't fix

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but I think that that's the best way to do it and let the market determine what will work on those intersections.

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mean,

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that we ask of them. And I have no problem with the car dealership.

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I thought they were nuts. But look, they've been a car dealership there for a long, long time. I mean, when we moved here in 1980, it was the chicken place.

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so car dealerships have gone through there like crazy. And I mean, they I mean, they've done very well there. So I mean, it used to be the Kia dealership till they outgrew it.

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That was what it was. Yep.

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again, they're willing to even put up more more plantings or whatever it takes to make. But that corner looks very nice. They've done a great job there. And let's see here. The economic, no economic study and that kind of stuff bothers me that nothing's been, nothing's been done on any of those fronts. Again, I, I just cannot see this being mixed use at all. I mean, I love the renderings when it first came out. I thought, oh, wow, that looks wonderful. Then I looked at the properties and could not figure out how those would work there.

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know, ‸ they were not going along with this. And if without them, those lots are going to sit just the way they are. You know, we can't force somebody to build something there that we want. There's so let's make it where it's a win win. Let's do it so that the, the landowners and the city win by making them look nice, but allowing development there that goes with a corner that is deemed to be heavy traffic. And that's all I have to say.

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to make a motion.

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Okay. ‸ So, uh, all the things that council, I'm sorry, deputy mayor weeks, you said, those are some good points.

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much issues with it as well until I spoke to some of the residents within that community that will be affected. Uh, some of those are generational homes. People have been living there longer than I've been alive. ‸ And, uh, just thinking about recent events with the noise in the village,

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We know that downtown has become a, uh, a nightlife hub.

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of the village. Um, we've seen issues where they go straight to the Wawa, which, which we currently have now. And I can only imagine if that, if a gas station was built on that corner, uh, where those people would go, there you have another section of, uh, citizens that would be affected. And, um, I certainly don't want to tell property owners what to build, what they can or can't do. Uh,

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um, I have a duty to them to keep the harmony within their communities. Uh, so that's where I'm at. That's my dilemma. And I just wanted to put that out there.

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All right. Um, I'm a firm believer in being the great compromise. And let me read something to you that I'm just trying to be fair and equitable across the board. I want to do what's best for the community as a whole because of, you know, like you alluded to, you're right. Councilman,

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citizens. You're right. Deputy mayor, um, and councilman

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You're looking at it from a business perspective too, as well.

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And I know we have a two, two tie here potentially. And I would think maybe it comes with a stalemate in regards of the council vote. So what I would like to do with your blessings, since

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concerning two designated spots of mixed use for land use. And that was used for designation. The market may be different now than it ‸ was back then.

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we have staff sit down with the land owners and determine if there's a way that we could come along in conjunction with their attorneys, of course, that we can have a happy medium,

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fair and equitable compromise.

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have a meeting. So I'm asking that we do postpone this first meeting for tonight. Sit down with staff and the land owners also have additional public meetings at Jolie Smith, like we did previously.

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So I would ask that we have

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Yes, and we've done it before, that it takes place at Jolie Smith. So that would be my recommendation. And I'm looking for a second, please, that we sit down and talk with the homeowner, excuse me, with the business owners, have a community meeting, staff, city manager, city attorney, collaborate, and then bring it back to us with the proposal.

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now? Or you think?

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Yes, sir. ‸ Yes, we would have the meetings prior to bringing it back to council. So we are in the month of October, where this month is

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I think we have for November, we will have a meeting then because I think the other, what's the second meeting? What's, do we have a second meeting for November?

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Because that's Thanksgiving?

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We only have one meeting scheduled in November, which is the 18th.

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Right. And then,

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give us adequate amount of time to collaborate with the business owners, the community, and then bring it back to staff, bring it back to ‸ council. And then we make a decision then. So that's what I'm asking that we postpone this until

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first meeting in January. What is the first meeting in January, Mrs. or Ms.

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please, ma'am?

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Sure. Let me take a look at my calendar here.

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Yes, ma'am.

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It's going to be January 13th.

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I got a second. Okay. I got a second by Councilman. ‸ The

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only question that I have is we ‸ went

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‸ I also don't want to waste staff time with three meetings. I believe our community will come out because it's important. Three meetings to me, in my opinion, it might be an overkill. We only have until January. And we also don't want to make it seem like we're rushing it either, right?

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to five weeks from today, make a date certain at Jolie Smith Center. And in my opinion, I think we'll get an understanding where the community is at that particular date because we know community will come out. If they feel like it's important, they're going to make it a priority.

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And

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I just, ‸ that's my only concern.

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I mean, we paying them more. That's another conversation. I don't know if that's part of, I'm sorry I said that, but I don't know if that's part of the conversation, which it may be.

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Maybe somebody can answer that

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part. Is that.

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Yeah,

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I'll talk based on what I heard and based on the feedback logistics there. And so, and so if we're going to be back in January, ‸ and it's going to be to me a workshop style meeting between staff, the planners, the property owners, and at which the public is invited.

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They have reaction to that product. They have suggestions there. And so we'll go back and work on is there a gap that can be bridged. You produce that product in front of the public as a work session. They have an opportunity to go to get that product to go back and react to that product and the public does at the same time.

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You know, again, you know, there's going to be cost involved with regards to, I don't know if what we have under the work order, the task order with RVI. ‸ But, but again, ‸ I think that the community would appreciate and again, you're building the product, you're building ‸ the compromise, if you will, in front of the public. You're giving that to the public to react to because it's not going to be created at that first initial meeting.

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come

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would suggest as staff, which may be different than what they would suggest as the property owners.

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And then maybe there's some tweaking of that. That is a, it is potentially a third meeting there.

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mayor said, um, a maximum of three or a minimum of three or beginning with three or it takes the number of meetings that it takes, you know?

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with the community.

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um, obviously giving us a reaction to the dialogue that's taking place and ultimately the product that's brought back to them prior to bringing it back to you guys. So,

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so you,

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would just my question. Well, would you meet with the owners? Probably more than likely going to be separately. I'm assuming. Will you meet with them in a prior to that first?

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would meet. I mean, I mean, again, it's, I mean, they, they've pretty much put on the table where they are. We know where we are.

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so, and so why can't that happen in front of the public as a sort of a round table, um,

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work session?

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we get community come to meetings like that. They don't necessarily understand the complete process of step one, step two, step three. And just in my opinion, I could be completely wrong. But from what I've seen, if we give them a product, they know, like you said, they know what they want.

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They come up with that product for, for whatever they think that should look like.

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Well, it is direction of the council. And so and so for me, the way I envision this thing is is that we're sitting across the table. um They're sitting across the table. um we're we're We're talking concepts. We're talking disagreements. We're talking agreements. uh the community is there the community gets a public comment portion to react to all of those conversations all of that dialogue

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to the community they may still have some disagreements with that but we ‸ bring that back to the community and maybe there's a second session and then a a ‸ redrafting of of the proposal

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um ‸ time is money obviously they're paying their attorneys over there like crazy I mean and that's more time that they can't do anything with their properties while we're again going back again and so I hate that for them because you know time is money it's going to cost the city more and it's costing them more um I mean I like the idea of of of holding off at this point because I do think maybe we can come to a compromise but to go through month after month series of meetings well however long that is

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yeah it's the same time I mean when you look at going into the holiday season um ‸ their suggestion where you just simply add uh I think it was

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under the mixed use there that still has to go back to P and Z

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right you guys

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correct me if I'm wrong and so and so it's the time that it takes

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going to be the same time in my estimation

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so that go ahead oh i I was just going to say so if we don't vote to postpone and instead uh maybe we bring up about putting in CP it it's going to be uh but we can't do that because we don't have that before us

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you're starting over

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you're starting over I got you okay so at this point, the best thing is probably to postpone. I just hate for months on end to go by. So I want to make sure our

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I said three public He said three public and I think.

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No, I'm saying we'll, we'll, ‸ it takes what it takes. the

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until the first meeting in January

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The public is invited to those work sessions.

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Okay. Well, i I will go along with that then. All right. Okay.

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Then

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we're clear on the direction. Yes, ma'am. Yes, sir.

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gonna ‸ call the question. All in favor saying aye. Aye. aye

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if we're going

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two.

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Yeah.

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Okay. ‸ So you want anybody want to make the motion? If not, I'll make the motion. Go ahead. i make a motion to postpone the first reading of

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the

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the floor by deputy mayor weeks. Do you have that madam clerk?

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Yes, sir.

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Thank you. can All in favor by saying aye. Aye. aye

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have ‸ unanimously. Proceeding on to item number.

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Thank you, business owners. So

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make sure I get the postponement correct this january 13th

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correct sonica

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6 p.m

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yes okay Thank you. Thank you.

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for the success center in the amount of

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want them?

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I need to clarify something on the last item.

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Go ahead.

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I think I need the city attorney and Mr. Oliver. Hey, on your letter, your letter was dated today. I think there's a clock that starts with his letter. And so, Anthony, I don't know how we handle that if we postpone the item.

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i'm Sorry, I mean, can we, can we handle it the same way it was handled the first time?

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okay bro You know, my clients here. If you give me a second to confer with him, I might see if we can ‸ postpone our letter, but I can't speak for the other property owners there. There's certainly discussion of sending their own letters to secure their own rights to attorney's fees should the city decide to proceed under Senate Bill 180. So if you ‸ just give me a couple ‸ minutes, uh we can come back to that part while you do the next item. These these gentlemen have been waiting here throughout our

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the donation application to Success

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council? We have a motion on the floor by Deputy Mayor Weeks. Second by the chair. All in favor saying

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unanimously. ‸ Congratulations. um Moving on to the next item. Number two. A federal fund for the juvenile violence. As you all know,

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With the approval of uh council fiscal year 25 community base violence intervention and prevention initiative grant through the Department of Justice, authorizing the city manager to sign and approve all documents and budget related items for this particular grant. It's a no budget impact. So chair like to make a motion to

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22nd 2025.

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we got the motion and you got a second. You have

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Madam Clerk? Yes,

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sir.

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Thank you, ma'am. I just want to make sure. All in favor by saying aye. Aye. Aye. aye aye And the nays. eyes have it unanimously. This is going to coincide with

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Where you parked at, ma'am? oh ‸ we're just going to walk

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No,

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no. Chief, Chief. as well Oliver. ‸ Cole.

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Thank you, Mayor. I was hoping I could get permission tonight, but I'll have to consult with my client and um hopefully get you guys an answer in the next day or so. on At least my clients Senate Bill 180 letter.

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Okay. uh What's your recommendation? City Manager, City Attorney. City

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I think you proceed with your with your direction that you've given. Okay. Okay. Just

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for clarity, was the motion, was the ordinance tabled or was it with it's for all pending? Yes, sir. Okay.

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Thank you.

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Second Tuesday in the month of January. And we will have community meetings and you all

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be invited.

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So we can have another

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with staff and

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is invited. um and the public, and there will be a public comment section on, uh the discussions, you know, and so.

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okay Thank you. Okay. Proceeding forward for reports. City Manager reports.

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think we have any, uh Mr. Mayor.

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Okay. City Attorney.

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report. Thank you,

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I've got to undo all of that. um

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Thank you. um okay. Who's up? Is it odds today? Or even? Okay. you really Take your time, man. Go

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ahead. Do

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we have

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a clicker?

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It might be over there for their presentation. oh yeah.

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I'm just excited. I actually got my photos in on time

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this week. So. By the way, did you have to send the one with a snake? I got you. yeah thank

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district two

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Look so nice up there. District

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reports.

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off with such a good looking picture. ‸ but uh

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uh this is my attendance at the

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uh Charter Academy Annual Gala, uh where we raised money. uh Well, the organization raised money. uh It was a great turnout. A lot of people from the community showed up. uh They're going to be making improvements to their uh facility uh

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I attended, uh as well as our mayor, looking nice and sharp in that rate of blue.

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uh So,

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yeah, it was a great turnout. um Happy to be there with the mayor and uh represent the city. uh

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ceremony for our two new officers uh i was excited to attend that uh chief and your staff as i stated last meeting you're doing a good job with recruitment uh like i stated we're getting well qualified candidates i believe one of them is former military if i'm correct uh great family so i'm excited to have them on board uh continue the good work uh some of ‸ the uh uh ‸ finishing product uh of the broadmoor acre project uh a lot of the citizens in this community they are so excited about the uh work the finished product uh

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and i can say for certain

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um the citizens are happy about that i'm happy so that was money well spent um also had a chance to go out to the

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oh my mind just went blank

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blank

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for a second had

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a park

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sorry

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i had a uh some a time to go out to bracco pond and uh observe some of the the trees that we planted uh previously, and they're doing good out there. The park is looking great. um So that's a good initiative that we've been doing by planting those trees out there, providing shade for the citizens that go out and enjoy this park.

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And that's it. All is well in District

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um Keep up the good work, everyone.

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I'm up next. um Let's see here. It'll pop up, and then I start hitting the right arrow, right?

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Yes, ma'am.

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Okay. As I always start hitting the right arrow, and then ‸ I've already skipped. So the first one that's

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School of Rock. It was very good. They're getting ready to do Annie. If y'all haven't been, you need to go to these plays and musicals. They do ‸ phenomenal job. The kids in this actually played their musical instruments. It was amazing. Then I went to the League of Cities. ‸ I'm on the Legislative and Taxation Committee. And so this was all of the committee uh meeting. um

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out there? Unbelievable what they're doing. ‸ they are reinventing, or they're coming up with such neat stuff, and to get to hold their uh fuel made out of recycled beads, plastic beads and oxygen, was amazing.

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um And then this was all the group that took the ethics uh training. I went over and took my yearly ethics thing that we have to do. And that was all the uh group that took that.

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that but anyway they League of Cities did but they

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where our city manager came with a bunch of other city managers and did State of the Cities. He did a great job. and so thank you very much for doing that that was put on by the Chamber of Commerce and of course Samantha was there so it was a it was a very well attended event this was the night out I all of a sudden realized I had not taken any pictures so I took some pictures of the night out in Provost Park that also was well attended and I still say those girls who did the stepping from the Emmett Jewell Academy amazing then I left there and went to the fundraiser that Cocoa High School was doing the theater department and which

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the advanced theater department. They're fundraising because they're putting their play on this year at the Cocoa Village Playhouse and so they got to raise money for that then this is tip a cop and so my husband and I went to that and the mayor was there as well and they did a great job I hope that y'all raised a lot of money but this is my particular favorite if it's a video

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I was so excited I got you'll see the third person or ‸ fourth person in line there

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sorry I had to do it chief I had to get him dancing down the aisle there so anyway it

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for a good cause and I hope you raised a lot of money we tipped well then I was in Arkansas last week that is

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she look great at 91? And this was 24 of our family members who are all got together for her 91st birthday and so we my husband ‸ I flew to Arkansas last week and she

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one last thing that I've got I've found out today that

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but

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play there and

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I know right and then they got them down to 2100 and they only do foul lines. They don't provide, we don't provide the safety bags that everybody else does the dugouts are in bad shape the bleachers are need work I was writing down everything she told me. Field

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was used by the football team and they're ruining them with their cleats so they can't even use that. Field

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and

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have no roofs on the dugout. We don't chalk the fields.

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fields. And ‸ they're paying $2,100 and football players keep coming on the field while they're doing batting practice and so, and they don't even put trash bags in the trash cans. So, the grass was not mowed. They went to play and the grass was knee-high out there.

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to play there they call it a league of their own I think anyway so I don't know what's going on

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it's a women's uh slow pitch softball team.

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so So, what you need to do, relate to them.

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Okay. Okay. She's new at this. She's

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Okay. So,

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they need a partnership.

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Okay. So, say that again. Let me write ‸ down.

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They need to be nonprofit and ‸ they need to contact them to

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Rec

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okay they

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don't have either that's why they'd be in charge

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okay rec

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partners don't charge

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anything either I mean

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no no no normally they like say for example football we

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They have to paint their own fields. They have to get their own equipment. They charge the ‸ kids a fee to play. And that's and then concession and sponsorships and stuff like that.

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yeah a lot of problems

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all right um miss Abigail thank you and the streets I believe it was streets and public works together

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grounds and stormwater

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well grounds and stormwater I better say that their name is right because they

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get

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mad

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at me so this just this is a right away owned by the city of Coco it was used by many people as a dumping ground in between Lucas and Washington Street and

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so this right away this is so what you're doing you're facing east Washington Street is all the way at the end. And so it was used for a homeless dump ground, tires, car engines, everything you can possibly think of. um ‸ few residents ‸ been complaining. As you can see, you see brand new houses being built on the left hand side. You see the brand new white picket fences coming in. um And and residents are just tired of it um

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I believe they did it over maybe two weeks or so two and a half weeks um they did a great job and our guys did this we didn't contract this out I really do appreciate them getting it done because it was really really bad and

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eyesore um so this is one of the guys Mr. Jeff uh he's been with us for 25 years um he says he has five years left for the drop um but

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but he's uh really he's one of the leads that was out there I think he drove the grapple truck um but man they really put in a lot of work out there to get it done so I appreciate them for for doing that. So this is the end result. That's how it looks now. um If you'd have seen it before I believe you uh Miss Abby you probably have some photos of the before

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I don't know how many loads they took out of there but appreciate that thank you um

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uh and county leaders um it was a great opportunity to all

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giving me all the um marketing um items um pens and pamphlets and and different things and everybody at Leadership Brevard ‸ really appreciated um um Coco because we were the only city that brought anything so that was a ‸ that was a good thing as well. But it was a good opportunity to highlight all the things the council staff are are doing so um this was a uh pastor appreciation uh in the middle is pastor Jarvis and

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Hearn went ‸ and did a proclamation thank you mayor for signing

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um he is a true leader in our community. He helps a lot of uh people in our community. So um we commend him for all the work that that that he's doing along with his wife in their um

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can

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um but it was enough it was a

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different theme um so from time to time I sneak them pizza because uh Mr. Cole don't like them eating junk food uh so they love when I when I show up um this was Saturday uh ‸ took some kids to the Bethune

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University game some of these kids and parents have never been to a college football game ever in their life so it was a great opportunity um yeah Councilman Hearn's son is there

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looking crazy, number seven. um But it was a great opportunity to take some kids uh from

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is a college playing ball and they got to go for free so thank you to Bethune Cookman for giving us uh 30 tickets uh for free um allow our young people and their parents to um to show up ‸ and they won yes they did so

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uh his name is AJ Hall um he graduated from Rockledge um but he He is a great um person for the young people to see and give them something to look forward to. um and that that was it um I also it's shout out to uh

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guys for all the hard work that y'all are putting in um and I really do appreciate everything that y'all have done all the first responders

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It's a lot happening behind the scenes that we don't see. And so, and Lord knows what y'all go through and so I appreciate y'all again so thank y'all for doing all the hard work and that's it

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okay

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what I'm gonna do because of the sake of time because of what's next I will forgo all my photos and just wait

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to the

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next council meeting. You can beat me up later,

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want to say thank you to all the 400 plus employees for doing a phenomenal job. your works are being recognized and I just wanted to say with all my heart thank you very much um you make our city supersede all of its levels of expectation and

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all because

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and we're not broken by no stretch of the imagination I'm just saying how much I appreciate you all

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well done, my good and faithful servants,

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to adjourn.

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All right, we have a motion

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by Deputy Mayor

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