October 25th through November 1st, 2019, Mobility Week. Deputy Mayor Warner.
Yes, sir. Let me go ahead and read this into the record. Is there anybody here from Space Coast Area Transit planning agency? Okay. Proclamation. Whereas Mobility Week is a cooperative effort by the Florida Department of Transportation and its partner agencies to promote awareness of safe multimodal transportation ‸ choices by hosting an annual collection of outreach events. And whereas Mobility Week is an ideal time for counties, cities, and transportation agencies to highlight transportation achievements, roll out new initiatives,
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And whereas Mobility Week is also an opportunity for individuals to explore the various transportation choices available to them and think about how multimodal transportation reduces traffic congestion, benefits the environment, and improves community health. And whereas Mobility Week is consistent with Space Coast Transportation Planning Organization's key priorities of promoting travel alternatives and encouraging pedestrian and bicycle safety. Likewise, the week-long celebration is also consistent with
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needs of the public and enhance the quality of life of the community. And whereas Mobility Week supports the Space Coast TPO's initiative of
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road users, and to support safety in Brevard County's transportation system. Now, therefore, Mayor Jake Williams,
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and on behalf of the City
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hereby proclaims the week of October 25th to November 1st, 2019, as Mobility Week.
Thank you.
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right. Good job.
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We've got the, going to our delegations. We have no one else in awards and presentation delegation. We have Mr.
‸ Reverend
J.B. Dennis. You've got,
um,
can you come up, state your name, address, and...
Good evening, everyone.
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The reason I'm in here tonight, because of ineffective patrolling. In our city, violent crimes is on the rise because of ineffective ‸ patrolling. I just passed the hot spot tonight where a
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When I got to my church at 530, I had 10 people on the wall getting high and drinking. I called the police and tell them they're on the north side of the building. They show up on the south side of the building.
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See, this kind of policing is just ineffective, and we need to do better.
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city and the county and ask the people in the community who pay taxes and vote, what is your will? And the will of the people is we need to do better in our city because we're not progressing. There are some people sitting up in here tonight that have been here since 1999 with those 30-year ideals, and
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So the will of the people, when we bring another police chief in here, we want them from another county or another state, and that goes for the city manager also. Another county, another state. No in-house promotion
till
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we get this place moving forward. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you.
Next we have Donna Kettner.
Good evening, council members, mayor.
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to be about. And, of course, you know, all I can say is I've been waiting for a parking garage for going on almost 40 years now. Parking is a major problem in the downtown. You're going to lose businesses like mine and similar to mine because people are fed up with no parking.
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a parking garage takes place in the 40 years I've been down here, I think it's very sad. I can count on 10 fingers how many parking studies there have been in 40 years. Many. A lot of wasted money. When you run your own business, you have to be very careful of how you spend your money to make your money. And I wish the city would know how hard it is to make a dollar rather than depending upon taxpayer dollars to pay for things that need to be paid for. But a couple of things I just wanted to say real quick that was on, okay, as far as safety, you're right. I've watched the village. I mean, I think we need cameras. I'm installing cameras in my business. There is crime on the rise. There's graffiti all over our parking benches.
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generations climb that tree and have their ice cream. It is completely covered in graffiti. It's not what people want to see when they come to a historical cocoa village.
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not been, there hasn't been a seed or a flower planted in it in two years. I plant my own flowers in front of my store.
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not been planted for two years. I'm just waiting to see how long it will.
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Skateboarders are going to, you are going to get sued. People are going to get hurt on the streets in the village. They are going so fast down the sidewalks with skateboards right now. We used to have no skateboards allowed. It's crazy. I think we really have to work on infrastructure before we talk about millions of dollars being spent on another civic center that's not really being used properly as it is.
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in a business here. When we had Whitley's Marina, those people who came here, who shopped with me, bought condos here. Those are the customers who stayed here, who came to this area because of its charm. You are going to lose those people. They are going to move elsewhere because they're seeing what I have seen. A real bad, how can I explain it? Take pride in where we live. It's so important. This is where we live. This is our community. Let's make it beautiful. Make other people want to come here and live. Please. It's our job as a community of people who live here and work here to care about how it is protected. And it's not being protected. It's not. Please, thank you.
Thank you, ma'am.
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Basically, I'm here.
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high school in 1990, the murders have just been moving up and up and up. I've had relatives. I've had friends, close companions that are murdered because of the crime that is just growing and growing, and I'm just over it. I have grandchildren now, I
have
two grandsons, and I want to give them an opportunity to be raised in a peaceful environment where I don't have to worry about me or my grandbabies getting shot and killed and all that. Now, on to what I'm really wanting to talk about are these stores. Who needs milk and eggs at 2 o'clock in the morning at a corner store? Nobody.
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There's probably about eight people standing outside. The doors are wide open at this store. Nobody's inside. I'm driving by ‸ purposely so I can see on the inside. So here's the owner or whomever he is. He doesn't live in this community, okay? He lives somewhere where he doesn't have to worry about being shot and killed, okay? So I'm driving by on my way to work this morning, and I'm looking. Prostitutes and all that good stuff. So I remember a time when police would park. If the police would park. Show their face. Let them know that this is not acceptable. You cannot hang out, loiter, you know, go home. Go get a job. Do whatever it is that you need to do. But when you have all these people that pile up and ‸ gather, whatever ‸ they're doing, selling drugs, you know, whatever they're doing, what happens is ‸ it's intense environment. They start with fighting, and then when the fighting starts, they don't want to fight. Now they want to shoot. Now innocent people are killed, you know, and it's just, I am just so over it. But back to what I was saying about these stores. They're open too late. There's no reason for these. There's three of them in particular that I'm speaking in terms of. On Peachtree and then the one on Fisk.
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Is there something that we can move forward to doing about that?
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I just have so much in my brain.
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But I'm just, that's basically what I'm getting at, you know. Like, I mean, if I move around at night, so I come home, my fiancé and I would come home.
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lot is full. There's music. There's drug dealers. There's ‸ prostitutes. It is ridiculous. And this is not just one night a week. This is Monday through Sunday all the time. And bad things happen to good people. Good people are in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's just the way that life is. ‸ That's the revolving circle of it. But I remember a time where I would drive by ‸ one of those stores because it's like they never go away. They just keep multiplying in this community. And lo and behold, the police would be parked. And what would happen? They scatter like wet rats. They're not there. They're gone. You know, ‸ and I mean, it's like.
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you, ma'am.
Your time is up. ‸ It is. I got you. But I could ‸ tell you that. But
I'm
sorry. I know about the one that you're talking about because I drive through there at least a half a dozen times, not more, every day.
Every day.
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them. I stop in the ‸ park sometimes and talk to some of
the
folks in the park. But I know exactly what you're talking about.
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I'm
sorry.
Yes, ma'am. No, no, no. You're fine. I'm good. You're fine. Miss Bernice Cox.
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Bernice Cox.
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have a residential entrance wall.
And
the one at Exora and Rosalie Jones, a resident named George, I was trying to get his last name, requested it be redone a few years ago. And he also requested that
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That has continued to be maintained. But
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me that was the builder's responsibility. The builder was probably as old as me now when they built those homes.
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put back on the wall. Because that's the entrance wall to Pine Grove Park.
And
I would like for you all to consider redoing that wall. I don't know how many years ago they did the one on Exora, but it was redone.
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thinking if I pressure cleaned it, they might repaint it. But nothing happened. Thank you.
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And also ‸ the wall on Aurora, ‸ I know we talked before about possibly putting letters back on that wall as well.
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But I don't remember what happened with that. That was way back when.
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Yeah.
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I think it was done in Square.
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Block Grant Funds. ‸ Yeah.
Okay.
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Okay,
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Monique Thomas.
Hello, everyone. I'm Monique Thomas.
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I'm pretty much here
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I've had a situation where I've had a lot of deaths. And one of them, a lot of them actually was just recent with the one that was at the store where the boy just got killed, which is my cousin's, my daughter's cousin. And my sister was murdered in 2014. And then my husband was murdered in 2017, shot in the back of the head after leaving Palm Bay, coming back in Cocoa. And they got a little clips of it on somebody's camera on the thing.
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my problem is, is they don't solve enough of these cases or whatever. Like, I have called the detective that is over his case and I realized that the detective
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is over his case is a lot of, it's the same detective
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over a lot of these other murder cases. So I don't know if he
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everything, but I just refuse to let this, like, be a cold, go to be a cold case. And
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and stuff like that too. But they were calling feds, DEA and everything for drugs, not that ‸ I'm downplaying that because that's bad too or whatever. But they were calling all of that ‸ for the drugs and lock these people away and they barely saw murders unless the family really, really involved in care or they catch it on camera. And when I talk to the detective, all I get from him is he don't know nothing or there's no one talking. And that's not acceptable ‸ for me because, no offense, even in the law or whatever and this and that,
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whole town down about their family if it's a law officer or somebody in their family that they care about. And I love my family just like ‸ everybody else, the law,
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people do too. And I just feel like, I don't know if he overwhelmed, but talking to him, it just seemed like it's just normal or whatever. It's just like, you know, he's telling me that, you know, he's dealing with this other murder case now and this and that or whatever. And, you know, I'm just not willing to just like let it just slide like that or whatever. I have heard different scenarios about what happened or whatever, and
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leads. And for him to tell me that, you know, even with the murder that just happened with my cousin's daughter, you know, and she's getting hit from both sides. This is affecting our family to her. We need counseling. I have not been the same since.
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You know, everybody is a suspect to me. I don't know who did it. I don't know if I'm speaking to somebody that did that to my husband or what's going on or what. So I'm having a real difficult time. My kids are having a difficult time. And it's causing problems in the household when these murders don't be solved.
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I feel like they need to double down and, you know, have that same passion for everybody else as they would for their, you know, the people that they love just because they're police officers.
Okay. Well, thank you, ma'am. And I just wanted to ‸ add something as you're going away that, you know, the gentleman that just got shot, that was my late cousin, Aldo Ray's son. So I know. And I ‸ tell you, I sat down with the chief and the assistant city manager, ‸ and we had a discussion. And I know it's an ongoing case. So I think we need to just give it a little bit more time to see what's going on.
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those was on the news.
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That one there was on the news. Both of them played out on the news.
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So it's ‸ a lot. And ‸ it's not just they're ripping people's hearts right out ‸ their chest and it's causing problems with the kids and their fathers and they're reacting out or whatever and stuff. And I need help ‸ myself.
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And
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so this has got to stop. Something needs to be done.
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and stuff like that, they need to call in the FBI, DEA, or whoever they need to call in to solve some of these murders.
Yeah. Thank you, ma'am. I appreciate it. Thank
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you.
Thank you. Next up, Ms. Anita Gibson.
Hello,
everybody.
How you doing?
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I won't
go into long, exhausted details about the murders or whatever. I want to speak specific to the
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And I'm going to speak frank, open, and honest as to how I feel.
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to the case. I've been talking to the detective. My number one thing is this. There ‸ must be something that we can do about these murders. Nobody feels safe anymore. Daylight or dark, nobody feels safe. ‸ I'm wanting to know what's the chain of command that we can get a cold
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So ‸ we, as residents, can see, okay, they're concerned about us. They're not just another black. I'm just going
to
say it. They're just not another black drug dealer or black attached to a drug dealer situation. ‸ Hey, they're murdered. Hey, ‸ go on to the next one. And I also feel that if
you
have a detective that's inundated with so many murders, that's not fair to him or to us. So my thing is I want to know what is the procedure for a cold case unit.
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that we can place in front of the Cocoa Police Department that gives the name of these people that have had unsolved murders. And I went so far as to say the ones that are ‸ posted in the police department. And I said I want my son's name and picture up on that. That, you know, it's like, to me, the murders are just like, hey, buy one, get one free. There's nothing. It means nothing. So my thing is I want to know about the billboards that could be put in front of the police department. I want to know what the chain of command is to get a cold case unit.
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County and so forth.
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but there's a chain of command. And the last but not least, but
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And we need to get an update to say this murder from 1908 has been solved finally. We get nothing. We're like patrons or ‸ residents that swept under the carpet. They say the biggest voice gets the most attention or ‸ the biggest can makes the most noise. You get the most attention. My number one thing is I leave this meeting right now. I'm going to get on my hands and knees and pray to God that we get something going that somebody can say, your children matter. Not the black children, the white children. Children matter.
Children
in
general.
And
I don't want to go race, but you don't see anything like on Cocoa Beach. That's our tourist area. That won't be like that.
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are being murdered, and you hear it.
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Thank you. All right. Thank you, ma'am.
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I
live
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And
I'm here because I've been here several times, and none of y'all have listened to me. You've listened to the chief of police, but he's not accurate in what he's telling you. And a lot of this time that they're coming after me because
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I'm an elderly, disabled female living in elderly housing, and I use a walker that was donated by a dead resident.
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and three of them show up and spend a whole hour processing me and filing charges. That three hours, and those three police officers could have been spending it on some of these murders instead of on me. Now, I'm facing charges for using a walker that was donated, and they accused me of stealing. And just because it's on video that I used it, they're calling it stolen. Now, the state attorney's office is going to spend a bunch of time and money.
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gang. In fact, he's supporting the gang. He's not trying to solve the problem. You guys aren't listening to me. I've been here, you know me. I've been here many, many times.
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every word you've said. ‸ Okay,
but nothing's done. Nothing's done. Like I said, these people. Now, like I said, ‸ between the state attorney's office and the police
office
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responding to these constant causes this gang is making trying to drive me out because I know something that they don't want me to know, okay, could be spent for the murders.
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He won't even talk to me in a respectful way. So that lieutenant back there called me up and screamed at me and wouldn't answer my question when I asked him,
well,
what do I do to appeal this? He hung up on me. Then I
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I don't get a phone call back. But I'm tired of being ganged up on. And this is an elderly housing. It's not even out on this bad streets. So I would really like for you guys to pay attention to what I'm saying about the Cocoa Police Department needs help. The chief of police needs help.
Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. Okay, that was ‸ our last delegation card.
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We're going to move on now to our reports. Mr.
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Yes, I don't have an official report. I would like to say this is my last council meeting.
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I've been proud to serve the city and serve a lot of great councils and, you know, people that have given their time,
served
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with a lot of great coworkers and try to make the city a little better place. ‸ Appreciate it.
So
that's it.
Thank you, sir.
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And we hope you have many years of retirement where you can relax and enjoy your family.
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Ms. Hall.
I don't.
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Chief?
No report, sir. Thank
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sir.
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I just wanted to announce that we are starting to take donations for our annual turkey drive. The local firefighters union has been doing this for a while. So they are starting to do signups November 1st. But if you are interested in donating turkeys that we will be giving back to families within our community, we are accepting those ‸ now. Lieutenant Single and driver operator Brian Ackerman have just done a phenomenal job with this program each and every year to reach out to our community and really give back to them, especially those that might need to lift up during the holidays. So it's just been a phenomenal program.
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Last year they collected 120. This year they're going to go up to 150. So we're really excited about that. I also would like to introduce Deputy Chief Sam Bird, who started with us on Monday. He is our new Deputy Chief. He comes from Melbourne Fire Rescue, where he served as a training chief. We're very excited to have him. He's got a nice wife. Her
name's
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Melissa and their daughter Alexa. So we look forward to what he's going to add to our organization and helping us just continue to move forward with the services that we provide to the city. So we're very excited to have him. And ‸ last but not least, Ms. Brenda, I'm sorry. I'm probably going to steal a little bit of your thunder.
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This was the first year that I actually was able to go out there. And what a phenomenal job they do putting that together. Great community event.
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and
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in the city, but other parts of the country, really.
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‸ And I'm sorry,
miss
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Brenda.
No, that's fine.
But ‸ great job by Chief Cantaloupe and his crew on putting that together.
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Thank you.
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This is the Veterans Village Project, six houses. There are still four houses available. So if anyone knows any female veterans that would like to live there, certainly would like to see you tomorrow at 9 a.m. at the wall raising.
Yes, ma'am. Could you expound on the national attention this is getting?
Oh, yeah. I forgot.
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The executive director, Mary Kelly, will ‸ be there, and she is going to talk to Habitat International about the project. They were very excited about it, and they want her to help them mirror it in other cities as well. So it's a first of its kind, and it's here in Cocoa.
Yes, ma'am. Thank you, ma'am.
Yes, sir. One item, just a reminder for anybody interested. There will be a utilities workshop on the 5th of November. So that will start at 6 p.m. and it
will
be in these chambers. Thank you, sir.
I just wanted to announce that the toy drive for this year, the applications start on October 28th in the city clerk's office, and we're accepting donations for toys.
Thank you, ma'am. Mr. Sheely. Wow.
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I have a couple of items. One may be covering something Councilman Goins can bring up, but
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It's the Marijuana Possession Medical Marijuana Dispensary Workshop right here in Council Chambers. Also just want to update Council on the Citizens Academy. We have a full class, and that first
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City Hall. And then last, ‸ for those of
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in many capacities. He started in the water utility department.
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And so his career has spanned multiple ‸ areas of the city, multiple generations. He's seen a lot of changes, been involved with a lot of major projects that have impacted the lives of the citizens here in the city of Cocoa, but also those that live outside our borders that are provided our fine cocoa water.
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And for those of you that would like to come by for the send-off, it's going to be October 31st, which is his last day of service, at 10 a.m. to noon.
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wish him well,
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Yes, sir. Right here in Council Chambers.
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I just want to say thank you. It's been a pleasure working with you the last, I guess, 10, 9 years that I've been on the council. You've given me some good directions to go in and work good with me, so I'm very happy and wish you nothing but the best of luck in your retirement. And Deputy Chief, welcome aboard. Nice to have you here. And Samantha, well, I don't know. They're okay. That's all I have. Thank you very much.
Thank you.
I just had a few things. The first thing is the last night, Chief Lamb, your fire department, did an excellent job. I didn't really announce who I was.
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But the professionalism and the way that our victim advocate and the Red Cross handled that situation, man, it was awesome, man. So just kind of give them a pat on the back sometime. Maybe buy them all lunch or something.
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The
citizen participation today was awesome. Definitely at the first meeting, I think we're not always going to agree on different decisions that we make. But I love hearing different opinions from all walks of life. Also,
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We have a lot of conversation about this store. And we have a lot of things in plan. A lot of things we'll be moving forward. I'm tired of it as well. I'm
tired
of funerals of young men
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live life.
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Some of them doing things they really have no business doing. But at the same time, we all are ‸ human. We don't deserve to be killed by the hands of anybody. So we are doing our best. And ‸ I got told Chief before, we have to put more pressure on these stores.
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to also bring in these store owners. If they refuse to comply, then we may have to do some other things of action. I don't know what legally, I don't know what that may be. But I'm willing to go to the door, whatever we need to do. Because when you have owners who don't really necessarily live in the neighborhood, they don't really have an invested interest in the community.
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They want to make, you know, two dollars on single cigarettes ‸ and selling food stamps or whatever else they do. But they don't really necessarily care about the community.
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and then the store is open at 8 o'clock in the morning for business as usual. So I'm tired of it.
So
‸ it's only ‸ so much that I can do physically. But I know as a community, if
we
come together, ‸ I will stand in front of the doorway and block people going in. I don't know what I need to do, but I know we got to do something.
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We got to do something.
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‸ But it's just, most of these people are, they're grown people. You know that. But we can't allow them to sit at these stores.
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They're not holding hands praying. So ‸ police cars don't need to be riding by. Stop.
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Sometimes you don't even have to get out. Just make them uncomfortable. ‸ Go ask them how they're doing. You'll be surprised how fast they take off.
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That's not what I do. But I do know people. And most people who are doing crime, they don't like to see that badge. So we just need to do a better job and be more consistent. That's my thing.
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or three weeks, four weeks.
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‸ That's just my take on that. And we
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do better. I believe that. We have a good community. As you can see, the people that came today to talk about it, their perception is when you see murder in a black community, you automatically assume that people don't care. And that's so far from the truth. Because
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that they can't even go outside and go play at a park. Imagine ‸ having a five-year-old child and you got to go to Rockledge to go get on the swing.
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Just thinking about it, you have to really take a five-year-old child to Rockledge to get on the swing. It's emotional for a lot of people. Sometimes ‸ you get people in the community who may ‸ care. They may just be doing a job. I don't know. ‸ I don't know what we need to do. But people like this, these are the people that get left behind. These are the people that nobody going to check on. These are the people that after the funeral, it's over. You read about a newspaper or he called another thing again. We have to change the perception of Coco.
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He's standing on the corner again in front of Wawa.
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every day. Same person. We just got to do better. We have an awesome community. I love Coco. I love the diversity. We have so many different style of issues. You have people sometime in downtown
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may be worried about a homeless person, but then you got the people uptown worried about somebody getting shot in the head. The community is just so different. It's so different, but it's a beautiful thing when it all can come together. I believe in the city. I believe in our staff. I believe in our police officers. I believe in our fire department. I believe that we can do a lot better. And I know that police officers cannot change the world. They can't do everything. I understand that. A lot of these incidents are people that know each other. These are people that fight on Thursday and see each other on Saturday. And now all
of
a sudden they want to shoot each other up. So it's not the police fault. It's not their fault. We got to do a better job in the community. And that falls back on people like me. People like me who was elected to do a job. So I got to do my job. I got to do a better job. And every time somebody get murdered, I feel bad. I feel real bad. I got to go home. It's a big deal, man. I know some people go home and ‸ don't see none of this stuff. I call it the curtain.
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There's so much stuff behind that curtain. Behind Wawa. Behind King Street Baptist. Behind O'Reilly's. It's a lot of great people. But it's a lot of things that get overlooked. We got to protect our community. So Chief, I just appreciate everything you're doing. So don't take it as.
I
know sometimes when people say certain things, it makes it seem like they're targeting you. But you're the man. So when you're the man, it comes with all of that. So you are appreciated. I understand that. Okay. It's just that when sometimes when people get, when people's family get murdered, it's a difficult thing to deal with. I've never dealt with my family member getting murdered.
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I don't know how that feels. But her husband was murdered two years ago. And you still see the effects of that right now. She just walked out crying. It's deep stuff. I get off my soapbox now. But I just, I just, I just know we just need to do a better job. And I need to do a better job of what I do to get more out there in the community. And police do an awesome job in the elementary schools. That's where it really starts at. ‸ So y'all making great connections with those, like Emma Jewel and Endeavor and
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But we have to do something about these stores. This is our biggest issue.
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it's probably 80% of the calls right now are probably
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So let's lock that down. That's our focal point.
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I get it. I
get it.
But that, that block is a major, major problem. Major problem. All right, I'm done. Sorry.
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Unfortunately, I do know what it feels like to have a family member murdered. And it's been 20 years and it's still painful. And I have known Miss Anita Gibson since her son who was killed, since she was pregnant with him. And I have some understanding of the kind of pain that she's going through. Fortunately, we know who killed my family member. There are people in this community who know who killed her son.
Yeah, yeah.
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you know what's going to happen? It's going to happen to you. It's going to happen to you and you're going to be in the same situation. You're going to lose a loved one. Somebody's going to know who killed them and nobody's going to help you out because that's karma and it comes back to fight you. If we want to clean up this community, we have to stand up for what's right. And I know what it's like to be scared.
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kill me when I turned him into the police department.
Wow.
I had to go to court with him. And two years ago, I ran into him on the street. And you know what he said to me? And I'll tell you, his name is Mario Morgan. A lot of you probably know him. He went to high school with ‸ you.
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much better now than it was in those days.
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on Cypress Lane with him living next door to me.
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do it alone and neither can the police officers in this community, no matter how hard they work or how dedicated they are. We have the same staffing on our police department today that we had in 1996.
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Well, you know why we had a lot of cops? Because we had a lot of crime. And even though the perception is that we have more crime today, we really don't. It's like Mr. Goyne said, our crime is among people who know each other.
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committing a crime in this community, if you're not dealing drugs, if you're not buying drugs, your chances of being a victim of a crime are not any worse than they are in any place else. But that still doesn't mean if you're buying drugs or selling drugs, it doesn't mean you deserve to die. You don't deserve to get shot over it. And if you look at statistics, yeah, it happens around these stores. We have a nuisance ordinance. But you know what it's going to take to shut these stores down? We can pass all the laws we want.
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spending their money there. You know what? Walmart's open all night. And
they
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got security there. Nobody's going to shoot you in Walmart, parking lot probably, because they've got security. Stop spending your money with these people. There's plenty of good business people to spend your money with. Don't patronize these stores that are destroying our community. I didn't want to get off on this subject because I knew I wouldn't be able to do it without tears.
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my heart to know that there's somebody in this community who knows who killed her son and doesn't have the guts to step up and say something about it. And I understand being afraid. But that's no excuse. Because we're all going to live in fear until people take control of what goes on in this community. But I am going to move forward and say to Mr. Wegriff that I just realized when I got
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I'd been here a while. Thank you for 39 years.
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be Jim Frazier at the police department who just hit 40. So you may not have a record, but you're probably really close. You and Mr. Toler, I know, are going to be very, very missed in your department. And I do wish you all the best. And I hope that you get to spend many, many years with children and grandchildren and doing all the fun things that you have not gotten to do while you serve this community.
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really nice cake, because 39 years deserves a really nice cake.
And
I would also like to say to the members of the community that when it comes to what goes on ‸ at these stores,
that
we don't always get support from other agencies that we need. Our police department can work a case, and they can bring charges. And then we have a state attorney's office who doesn't file those charges or who thinks the case isn't solid enough for them to take it to court. So I know our police officers get frustrated because they do the hard work, and then they have no support.
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step up need to be saying those same things to our state attorney's office. They need to step up, too. If you look at the number of cases that our police officers take to the state attorney and the numbers that get prosecuted, you'd be in shock. And we support that office with our tax dollars just like we support our police department. So let's talk to them about stepping up and helping our community, too. And I had some other things. Like I wanted to talk about how wonderful the canine competition was and ‸ how hard the
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get a needle to get through the day and get an IV of some fluids because he worked so hard and it was so hot in that
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our event and have people from Georgia and all across the country come and participate. And hopefully next year
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be even bigger and better.
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hard to make it a success, including the chief. So thank you all very much. And like Chief Lamb, I had a great time just watching the dogs work and watching the dogs look at their handlers and go,
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Come on. Because most of the time the dogs were finished long before their handlers were. So yeah, definitely. So thank you all very much. And that's it for me, Mr. Mayor.
Thank you, ma'am. You might need
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A lot of those places are selling food and other items. So their main business isn't. They can sell alcohol
till
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2, but
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I mean, there's not a time limit.
Thank you, sir. Is that it? I'm not going to say much. I'm just going to.
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I'm going
to
bring that information back at our next council meeting because we're getting a little late. ‸ And then also, I'm not going to talk about the many things that I've been doing over the last few weeks, which has been quite a bit. Sometimes I don't know what I'm coming or going. But I do have a certificate here, a partnership here. I was over today over in Orlando with the Eastern Central Florida Regional Resilient Collaboration Agreement that
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As well as many other mayors throughout the state, throughout Central Florida that was there. And I tell you, this is a great deal for us. It's great for our community. And ‸ hopefully we'll get this framed and put it in one of our Samantha.
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And then I'll give you some. We got some pictures that we took while we were over there.
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as well. So, but it's just, Chief, I know we heard a lot about the police department today.
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We just know, and I know, I know, that we can do so much better than what we're doing. I know there's a lot of stuff that needs to be done. I have a lot of respect for you guys. But my goal and our goal is, you know, to make our city the best that it can possibly be. Because
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you know, and I've seen a lot of changes, a lot of good changes, a lot of positive changes. But we need to take this city to the next level. It kind of reminds me of certain pockets in our community.
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it's almost impossible to find what it is, what's been misplaced in that room. But if you have a clean room and you know that it's clean and that something's out of place, you know it right away. And we have some pockets in our city that you can't even tell what's going on because there's so much crap going on. But we, as a city, got to do our part. We've got to clean up the blight. We've got to maintain our streets. We've got to have that level of equality throughout our city so that we can move to that next level. And I think we're going to get there. And I believe we can get there if we work hard, if we all work hard together. It's not just our police department. It's something they can't do alone. It's not something the code enforcement can do. It's something that we've got to do. And we've got to set the tone and be that example, even with our employees. If you see something out there that's out of place, and if you can stop safely and pick it up, pick it up. Because you know what? When a resident see you do something like that, they're more apt to do the same thing if they see it. Or they're more apt to talk about it and mention it to someone.
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she stopped to pick something up in a row one day in one of the city vehicles. And there was a gentleman that made sure he got a hold of me to let me know. He was so happy to see that from one of our employees. ‸ And we should all take pride in our city and then change the makeup and the perception of our city. We should be a leader in this county, ‸ considering that
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got this massive water system that we have, ‸ but yet we have the issues that we have. We should be leading. ‸ We have so much to offer with our riverfront, our shopping centers, just everything that we have, the college, ‸ the solar center, the museums. ‸ We have so much to offer in this city, and we're not taking advantage of it. And if you look at Rockledge,
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And we need to capture that
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they
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The folks coming from Orlando to get to
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We need to capture that and stop that ‸ and take advantage of that with getting some nice restaurants here and so forth and so on. But anyway, the city needs to be a destination. But it's something that we, together, all of us,
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going to have to work to change. And then once ‸ we change that, then we can do our rebranding and move forward because it's nice. And I can tell you at the
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there was a gentleman from Apopka. He talked about the village. He loved the village. There were people there talking about our female veterans bill. I mean, it's amazing. The people that are talking about the city of Cocoa. There are people there talking about the Cocoa High Chorus. You know, and so we need to just start capturing this stuff ‸ and just let's make these changes that we need to change. I mean, it's just, it's been too long. And some of the same stuff, some of the same issues. And I know we can do it together. We can do it. So, as I've been saying, we're going to move on to
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Okay, we got a consent.
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A second from Deputy Mayor Warner. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed. It passes unanimously. We have no public hearing. So, we're going
to
move on to 8-3, which is our council business. Item number one, community services.
Thank you, Mayor. Staff is asking to seek council's direction to extend resolution 2019-031, providing for a temporary waiver of building permit fees related to building or structural damage caused by the hail storm that occurred on March 27, 2019, for an additional 90 days. As
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also had an option to extend the resolution for an additional 90 days, if authorized prior to the expiration of the resolution.
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So, of the 641 permits, 634 were re-roofs, four screens, one window permit, and then two screen and window permits. ‸ For perspective, in Hurricane Irma and Hurricane Matthew, we had less than 300 permits issued.
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almost tripling what we would have on a normal hurricane. And this is in addition to ‸ the permits that we normally do in the building and permitting division.
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them are insurance covered.
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giving that discount fee waiver to the actual property owners. They still have said that ‸ there is a cost to them coming in, completing the application, providing the product approval, and then also calling in for ‸ inspections and being available for those inspections.
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and we just haven't been able to.
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waiver.
So, you're saying that even though we've authorized a waiver, the contractors are still adding that cost into, and the insurance companies normally pay that cost anyway, so.
Correct. And we see that on our permit applications and on the ‸ proposals that are signed by,
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that permit fee is already included in there. It's usually higher than what we even, what our permit fee is, because they cover their own costs.
So,
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And I can, just to add to
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I'm waiting to get done, and they haven't even got to the permitting process.
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there's some insurance issues with the amount of money that was distributed. So, ‸ I've been waiting for almost four months now, which is crazy. So, are you
suggesting we don't approve it?
That would be staff's recommendation, yes.
Yeah, I think it's time to drop it. First of all, anybody who had damage from the hail should have already had that damage repaired.
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No,
it's quite a few of them, but I understand.
Make
a
motion, ‸ make a motion not to act on this movement.
Well, I think it says that they're seeking council direction.
Yeah.
I don't have any desire to extend that resolution.
No, I mean, it's fine.
And then any permit applications that are currently in process, we will be waiting the fees for.
Did
we
get
that
in the motion? ‸ What was the actual date? October 24th, tomorrow.
Okay. ‸ Anthony, do we need a formal motion? Just don't vote on it.
No, it was said seeking direction, so does that need to be a motion?
Well, it expires six months after the effective date, March 28th, correct? So,
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Okay. The council has the right to extend, but if the council takes no action to extend, then it expires.
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Thank you, ma'am.
The second item is staff is seeking council's direction to provide a local government area of opportunity funding for one of the two applicants seeking the
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And there is a new qualifying criteria, which is
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It can be in the form of a
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wood new construction type development. So, the two proposals are orchid lake. Mr. Jason Larson of housing trust group presented a proposal for orchid lake, which ‸ has been brought to you before. It is a 96-unit rental senior housing development ‸ on the southeast corner of Cocoa Lakes and Michigan Avenue. And then our second proposal is retreat at Cocoa Commons.
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presenting a proposal for also 96 senior units. And those parcels are located just west
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And they both have PowerPoint presentations that ‸ they wanted to present each of the projects to you. And then I'll come back for staff recommendations. There's also cards. Yes, I guess I'll have them.
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Oh, okay. We got first Ms. Miriam Moore. You want to go last? Okay,
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Good evening. My name is Jason Larson.
I'm
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with housing trust group. We're here asking for city support for orchid lakes, 96-unit seniors development. We do have a PowerPoint. We
just have to.
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‸ All right,
well
thank you once again. My name is Jason Larson. I'm with Housing Trust Group. We're an affordable housing developer located in Coconut Grove.
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It's a proposed 96-unit affordable rental community for seniors. Just a little about us, Housing Trust Group. We've been in business for 20 years.
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We do in-house construction, development, and project management. We're also long-term owners of all of our developments.
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housing. For the past five years, we've been very successful in getting these developments funded. It's highly competitive. We've been rated number one affordable housing developer in Florida, number 19 overall in the United States. We utilize all sorts of financing for affordable housing, 9% tax credits, 4% tax credits, HUD financing, public-private partnerships.
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And in 2018, last year, we had six new communities funded by Florida Housing ‸ to develop this type of housing statewide. We've done business all over the state of Florida. This is a representation of some of the developments we've done. South Florida, Central Florida, North Florida. In fact, we have a development in Titusville right now that is ‸ seniors housing, 86 units, funded with the type of financing that we're seeking for this development. It's located behind the Gibson Youth Center at DeLeon and Sycamore Street.
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this year. We're excited about that. It's been
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So, again, we're proposing 96 units. It's an affordable rental community for seniors. It has
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Agency, which is a Florida Housing Finance Corporation.
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Michigan Ave. You see it there on the screen. It's the ‸ portion up there
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So, we're proposing two buildings, three stories with elevators. And the buildings are set up for seniors with a certain percentage of, you know, full ADA compliant, roll-in showers, and full host of green features. Sample elevation of, you know, something we might come in if we're successful in being funded. You know, ‸ interior hallways, elevators, controlled access to the building. So,
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have a full range of amenities. Shuffleboard court, club rooms, swimming pool, exercise room. And our club rooms get a lot of use
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our senior communities. We have a lot of activities. It's independent living, so ‸ we have a lot of active folks.
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control. And for 2019, the rental rates are as follows. So, we'll have about 10% of the
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set aside at very low
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So, for a one-bedroom, 60% area median income unit,
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For our
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certain amount. And it's based on the area median income of Brevard County.
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family of four.
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If you're a one-person household or a two-person household, which ‸ we would expect in our seniors' developments. For the 35% lower rental rate unit, for a one-person household, $16,170 would be the maximum income there. For a two-bedroom, $18,480. And on the higher, 60% AMI units, $27,720 annual income, and $31,680 for a two-person household. So, our request from the city is a
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It would be a second mortgage on ‸ the property, and it would be payable to the extent of available cash flow. And that's one of the requirements from our lender. So, we'll ‸ have a first mortgage lender, as well as an equity provider, who will purchase the tax credits.
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So, ‸ the benefits of city involvement.
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development being funded by the state.
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And
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think in total, they funded 14. Mostly, it comes down to a lottery number. But one thing the state has done, because they were getting a lot of input from local government, saying, hey, we have developments we'd like to see happen in our community. We've got redevelopment plans. So, the state came out with this program where, if the local government would want to participate with the development, either city or county, and provide a larger loan than you might normally see, that they would give a preference, funding preference, and fund them in their own separate pool of developments. They would compete with other cities or counties who have given the same loan. So, last year, there were about 20 cities and counties that had given these contributions for developments around the state.
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And
last year, they selected two of those. So,
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was a much better odds than,
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This year, ‸ they're going to select four developments ‸ for the preference. You know,
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So, you know, last year, there were 20 municipalities. There might be 30 municipalities, but it's still a much better chance of being funded, you know, four out of 30 as opposed to, you know, the balance, you know, five or seven out of 200.
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be affordable housing for seniors.
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So, as ‸ part of our development, we pay the city and the county permit and impact fees.
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capacity and meter fees that are paid to the city of $290,000. You know, there's real estate tax revenue of about $40,000 a year, we estimate, and then $70,000 a year in water and sewer services to the city.
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things like that.
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You know, we employ three full-time persons for the city. And ‸ all the fees, the water, sewer impact, and building permit fees will be paid to the city or the county prior to a certificate of occupancy.
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And the city would not have to fund its participation in the development until we were fully constructed and fully leased up. So, there wouldn't be any construction risk or lease-up risk to the city. So,
this
is just an example of the development that we're building in Titusville right now, Luna Trails, 86 units.
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seeking for this development. This was just a deal we submitted, and we just ‸ got lucky with a lottery number, a good lottery number, and got it funded.
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Are those solar
panels
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I see up top ‸ or some kind of solar system?
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No, that's just we do a lot of green features, but the solar has been a little expensive to make work on this type ‸ development. But those are just some architectural features. Okay, I was
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you know, the outside lightings and hallways and so forth and
so
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Yeah, we do a lead rating on the building. It's part of the financing requirements, but it does stop short of some of the solar panels and things like that.
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Pembroke Pines, Douglas Gardens Seniors, 110 units with the same funding source. And
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happy to answer any questions you've got, and we appreciate your consideration.
I mean, looking at the
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it's a great return on our investments, and also it's a great benefit to our seniors with reference to low-income housing. And the fact that that money would be returned to us over a period of time.
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two-and-a-half-year waiting list for occupancy. So ‸ it's definitely a need in our community. Oh, yeah.
Yes, ma'am. Yeah,
I
know this particular site we've been working on for, you know, over three years. So I know we've submitted a couple times, and originally when we had got ‸ the site
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And the state agency has a rule that you have to wait until it's completed, until you can apply for another one. So we weren't able to apply that year. But, you
know,
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we'd come back, and ‸ the city staff's been great. It's been very supportive.
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Well,
and knowing what a success Clear Lake Isles has been and what a wonderful development is, you know, makes it much more attractive to ‸ move forward with another similar project.
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Yes, sir. Yeah, so, you know, everything's up to the, you know, latest hurricane code, and it's hurricane windows. So. Thank you. Thank you, sir.
All right.
Oh, so ‸ you want to get some direction from us? Oh, I ‸ got a couple of cards here, too. Let me go ahead and
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I appreciate it. Now the technology. Let's see.
Here comes IT to help. Thank you.
Hi, my name is Gabe Erenstein.
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I'm at 6340 Via Tierra in Boca Raton, Florida.
Hello. It's working okay, I think.
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use that one. Okay.
Thank you.
Yes, hello again. Hi. I'm at 6340 Via Tierra in Boca Raton, Florida.
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Before I get started on this, I just want to make one small point. Like Jason, I stand in front of a lot of city commissions, city councils, county commissions, you name it.
I
was struck by the passion that I heard from you in terms of what you can do with this community, the assets that you have in this community, the fact that this community is a gem, a gem ‸ that I've been coming to since I was a little ‸ boy, and
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than they are in South Florida, but it is a unique community, and I can hear the pride that you all have in it and how you know what the problems are, and that's the first step in fixing them, knowing what they are. So I commend you ‸ for that, and I know the staff and your professionals are working very hard to make that happen. With that said, there are problems. There are issues. One of those is affordable housing and homelessness, especially among people who most deserve to not have those problems, the elderly, veterans. We need to fix it. We are here for the same reason. Jason and ‸ I, yes, we're competitors, friendly competitors, but the fact is the way this program works, I'd love it if we could both work with you. It is a competitive process. You will not go wrong with HTG and with Jason.
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That said, I'm here to advocate for our proposal, our community, on our site. What we're looking to do
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He's done a great job of explaining the Florida housing program with tax credits and the local government area of opportunity.
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presentation too. So I'd like to focus a little bit more on the project and the site because I think that is where you are going to be looking and comparing and making a decision. And do respect whatever that decision is. It is a competitive business. Who wins in a competition? The customer. Who's the customer here? The
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So I want you to support one of these projects and I want that project to win. To win those tax credits, to get funded, and to get built in this community because this community needs it. Just like Deputy Mayor said, there is no shortage of demand for this product in this community. So with that said, our overview, remarkably similar. I'll just point out a couple of differences. We use a specific type of debt financing ‸ that works with seniors that are 62 and over rather than 55 and over.
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A, that kind of debt financing is very competitive and cost effective for us. But also, I feel that it targets more specifically the actual elderly. ‸ 55 plus, I'm 55. And I look at that number and I say, you know, I know there are 62-year-olds here who say, boy, I feel young too. But if I'm putting 62 and above in my community, I feel like I am targeting more the elderly. Whereas there are a lot of middle-aged folks, 55 or so, I don't know if I want them specifically to be in a seniors project. I like the 62 level for that ‸ reason. Everything else, extremely similar. Our location is different, and I'll get to that in a second.
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We're on a site which
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And you may have heard of it before as the London Cove site or London Cove proposal or project that Dimitri is looking to do. Dimitri does want to do some commercial out parcels there. We would be directly behind those, fronting the preserve behind us. That preserve, as you know, is not going to be developed. It's going to be a very quiet, nice environment for seniors to enjoy.
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They will not have a very, very busy ‸ street that they're on. They will have a spine road between them and the out parcels in front of them. The busy road, 524, is going to be in front of those out parcels. So I humbly feel that this is an excellent and, frankly, superior location.
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We like ours. A couple ‸ amenities to point out here. Obviously, you know where the public's is, the bank, et cetera, et cetera.
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It's a general conceptual layout of our site plan. Once again, similar. Elevator served, three-story buildings with a clubhouse community room, plenty of green space. I want to point out we are not putting a very intense use on this piece of property. If you look to the west side of the property, that's all our property. That's all our land. It's all preserved, green, quiet space. It's not depicted here, but there will be a walking trail around the property as well for the seniors to, you know, focus on wellness and enjoy the environment. Elevations here.
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I know staff certainly does. ‸ We have a 35-foot height restriction there. Typically, we would do more of a pitched gable type of roof, but we can easily do a more low-slope roof, which is frankly going to give it a little more of a modern look. But other than that, three-story elevation, your typical siding, and a very attractive elevation. I want to point out not what you've already heard, which is all excellent information, but what's a little different about us here. We use a technique which is very new. We're one of the first people to use it called income averaging. As Jason pointed out, we have to rent to people making 60% or below of the area median income. And typically, you'll have some very low-income people at 35%, and you'll have the 60%. And that best positions us to get the funding that we need from Florida, the award
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Income averaging allows us to rent to people making slightly more than 60% and also slightly less than 35%.
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the sweet spot of the 60% and below, but there are plenty of seniors who make just more than 60%, a little bit, but not enough to afford really quality market rate housing. So, by using this technique, we're able to rent to people up to 80%. Not all our units, just a few of them, but making up to 80% of the area median income. By the same token, to balance that out, we also have to allocate units to people making 30%. So, that gets us down into an area where we can really help people who are struggling. 35% is low. 30% is even lower. That's a wider band than your typical 60% and 35%. And that's why we like doing that. Recreational space, ADA, up to code. Again, similar. I don't have to go through it. You've seen it.
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I'll point out here the veterans. We do focus on veterans. I think that it's very important in this community. That is an issue near and dear to me. I'm an Air Force veteran. I like taking care of these folks. They deserve it. And so, we partner with VASH. And our recent development in Gainesville, as a matter of fact, has nearly half the people in there, across from Shands, are veterans. So, that makes us feel good. Talked about the income averaging and who we're targeting. There's a couple examples of representative amenities. They're all very nice.
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in terms of wellness, community services, ‸ local transportation, community gardens.
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gardening classes.
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Yoga, exercise, you name it. These places are beautiful, whether they're built by me or by Jason. The fact that we can provide low-income seniors with this is a wonderful thing and a great aspect of this program. Nice interior features,
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The Gainesville development, you can see at the top left there.
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It's a five-story building, wood frame over concrete podium in Gainesville. That's directly across from Shands. And it leased up before it was completed. There's a very, very long waiting list there, as you had talked about.
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We'll do two-story buildings, three-story buildings. We've done higher, obviously.
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about solar panels.
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Jason's absolutely right. It is extremely difficult to do in this kind of development. What you're looking at there is something that we did in a market rate development. That's not affordable housing. So we had a little bit more money to play ‸ with. But it's a technology we've used. We've used it to offset the carbon footprint and to help out our overall electric and energy costs. We've put that project up and running, and it's providing a return right now. I alluded to the wellness and community services,
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the folks that we partner up with. These are all agencies that we work with now. And we will do the same thing here with the appropriate agencies as well, whether they're Miriam's or any of the other cooperating agencies that we can partner with.
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I
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or the old Merrill Lynch Building. It's on 520. And we owned that building for about 20 years. We recently sold it. But that gave us an opportunity to spend a lot of time up
here.
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I understand them. I know this community. And I have a commitment to this community. I'd like to also point out that we are in the midst right now of the development process for a market rate project that's down the street from this one.
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needs something to put it over the top. So we're looking at doing 280-plus units of market rate apartments, not low-income housing tax credit stuff, but market rate apartments. Because we think that this community has the people, has the incomes, has the commuters, that right now they're going down to Vieira. You don't want them to go to Vieira.
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spending money here. That's going to be a place for them to do it.
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give us economies of scale. And we're very much looking forward to working with staff and getting to the next step on the
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at Cocoa Landing. Which, by the way, will not just be market rate apartments. There's a second phase, which is going to be townhomes. So it's a phased situation. We'll have rental housing, possibly for sale townhomes after that. No surprise, it's the same $354,000. That's because that's a mandated amount from Florida housing.
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Maybe the loan will be structured a little bit differently. Those are all details that can be worked out. But it's the same thing. And just regrettably, Florida housing is mandating that as the local government, you pick one to support. As Jason said, there is still a pool after that. We could still apply if we are not the selected one. But the odds are extremely low. And as you said, you just kind of have to get lucky. We get lucky. They get lucky. But if we really want to make one of these happen, the best way to do it is by getting designated as the LGAO, Local Government Area of Opportunity Application. And having you put that financial support behind it. Just a quick overview for us.
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Construction, management, back rehab, affordable and market rate. We do a bit more of that. We just look to do our job really, really well. We're active in this state, but also in others as well throughout the southeast. We've done multifamily, single family. We have an appreciable number of units throughout the state, not quite as many as HTG.
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And that's us. So I really appreciate you listening. Whatever you decide, it will be the best for the community, and I really hope that one of the projects that you select is the one that wins at Florida Housing.
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Appreciate it.
You're welcome. Any questions?
Any
questions?
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Thank you, sir.
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Okay. Thank you, sir.
Thank you. Mr. Stolls.
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No.
Just joking.
Hello.
My
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Greg Stoll. 2203 Salem Drive, Cocoa, Florida.
Thank you, gentlemen.
Good
presentations.
When can I move in?
Okay.
But one thing to note real quick. I'll use my three minutes real quick. This would be a stepping stone to independent, then assisted, then nursing care, right? So me, what I would be worried about is running out of money when it comes time for one of them other ones, depending on how much rent. So that's something to consider. But I certainly wish you guys luck on your lottery, and
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unless you're the gopher tortoises who happen to live there, but you'll have to relocate those. But Mr. Utilities Director, I am concerned about the pedestrian crosswalk at Michigan that crosses the railroad tracks that is closed, which would ‸ prevent me from going from the Michigan location to the convenience store. And I'm sure along with the railroad, you're looking at all of those railroad crossings, correct? Public works.
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that would be my concern, is that crossing, which has been closed for a while now, right?
so
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you. ‸ And then along with that,
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better start looking at all of the crossings. I don't know who's responsible for those.
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That's all. Thank you very much.
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for a minute. I did come here with Jason. It was a pleasure to meet you as well. I represent the Brevard Homeless Coalition. Rob Cramp, the Executive Director of Housing for Homeless, wanted to be here tonight, but he had a board meeting and was unable to make it. Senior living is a critical component in preventing homelessness of our elder citizens, and we've seen a big increase in that recently in Brevard County. People in the workforce are struggling to make ends meet. So our people who are on fixed incomes really have problems when rents keep going up. Our seniors don't have an opportunity to increase their income.
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And being the proud woman she is, she requested a ride to and a list of local food pantries from me rather than allowing me to help her financially or be forced to move at 79 years of age. Because it means losing what independence that she has left. She's still able-bodied, so she hasn't driven since 2004, and she still has that component. She doesn't want to have to leave. So one day, God willing, we'll all be able to enjoy our golden years.
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That will provide our seniors with safe, affordable, and permanent housing. And I ask that you support these initiatives as well.
Thank you, Marilyn.
Appreciate that. Thank you. Okay. And I guess we're going to have to decide. I
would like to
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get some.
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‸ We're going to have two different ‸ gentlemen up here. And I think I'd like some time to discuss the situation with the staff before we make any decisions.
That's
‸ my opinion. The application
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And although we really feel that I've talked with the city manager in depth about this, we also met with Mr. Larson. We just did not have time with the city manager going out of town to ‸ meet with Arbor Valley. But we did meet with Mr.
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Lake. So ‸ they're both very similar. There are some differences as far as the location. Arbor
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They can actually walk from there.
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like the
524 because it's convenient for the seniors
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and the drug
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a golf cart taken
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That's my opinion.
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all the growth going on on 524.
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on the road to go to Publix.
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Yeah, they well,
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Staff is recommending to approve HTG's project
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Orchid Lake. Again, like I said, ‸ we would support both projects if we could. Unfortunately, with this similar to like Clear Lake Isles, we could provide the $50,000 fee waiver, and we could provide the city could provide that to all of the applicants. And then whoever ended up getting the award would receive it. But with this
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Is both apartments of wood frame as well?
Mm-hmm. They're both nice projects
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I don't think we're going to I don't think we can go wrong with either project. Both companies have a ‸ good track record. I
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probably the worst thing
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the constant noise.
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but I'm really not looking forward to the extra noise. Because getting woken up at 2 in the morning by a train is ‸ not the most pleasant thing. That would probably
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The second being that this is a company that's also invested in our community in market rate development as well. So that would be my preference. Only because of the noise and of the market rate development. Like I said, I I don't think we can go wrong with either project. I I look forward to the lottery and and seeing one of these developments win. I would like to ask Nancy, if we support one project and another project just happens to win, can we change our minds?
And also, even with that local government contribution, the other applicant like, let's say you chose one the other applicant could potentially still win their have a low lottery number and still be awarded funding. Right.
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We've got a motion from Deputy Mayor
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Any discussion? All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? Nay. Is she gone?
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I will be keeping my fingers crossed for both of you guys.
You both get the lottery
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can use it because we get a lot of people
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You got this next item or no. Jolie Smith.
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Smith swimming pool just by providing a little bit of background it was part of the scope of the project to resurface that pool over at Jolie Smith Park it is really the only remaining public swimming
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that the Pineda pool has been closed
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they did offer free swimming lessons so the dr. Jolie Smith pool is the only one remaining. There's essentially two options.
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there's been an issue with the kiddie pool on the side. Due to the chemical recirculation,
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So if those chemicals go out of balance,
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can get a certified operator to review the chemical and make the treatment, and then it sits for an hour before it's usable. So on a typical day you pretty much lost
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day that pool is operated by Brevard County Parks and Rec and the the kiddie pool itself doesn't have an actual lifeguard assigned to it It's still the lifeguard for the main pool. There's just a requirement that the adults are present in the in the kiddie pool with the children. Now, according to Brevard County Parks and Rec staff there's pretty low usage of that pool due to the fact that most of the children utilizing the pool are unaccompanied by an adult during the summer months when they use the pool. There's a similar, almost in the exact specifications pool in Rockledge at McLarty Park they just recently this summer reconstructed that pool. They
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They eliminated it and made a, like a viewing deck for the the parents, or
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because you can now have food and drink on that deck where the pool is. And so they chose to go that route. We were presented with that information from the county, and so we wanted to bring it to you all. And you can see in the item, there is a difference in the
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so the total cost to resurface the pools and ‸ repair them as is is about 223,665 dollars and then if you were to
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options, there's there can be pros and cons. With the difference in the dollars, you know the city could look at what they're doing in McLarty Park they're adding a pool heater, they're gonna ‸ be, so they
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rather than just the summer months. So ‸ you could enhance the use for those that are a little bit older in that area of the pool or continue as is. So ‸ be happy to answer any questions.
okay Eliminate the kiddie pool and enhance the uh and uh
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deputy mayor Warner
I agree with the mayor. If parents are not participating, the kiddie pool is is being wasted. And if um putting a facility in that would allow families to have parties their birthday parties, will you know allow them to have better use of the pool and get some heat for the seniors who might want. Now that we're actually putting
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can maybe encourage our seniors to use that pool, because there's really nothing better when you're a senior than pool exercise. Let me tell you, that's uh the best exercise there is. So maybe having the pool heated would would encourage that. uh ‸ Because the seniors can be in that pool while the kids are in school. you know So, um yeah, I'd be all for that that. To me, that's a better use of uh the pool and the funding than the kiddie pool, definitely.
Yeah, I know where I live, we have our pool heat in the water. It's
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‸ Well, ‸ only thing I would disagree um ‸ with, this would be the only kiddie pool probably within, what, maybe 20 miles? uh
I don't even know if Titusville
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I ‸ I guess i'm looking at sometimes you have to make an investment for future um generations as well.
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pool. um Well, my cousin died, and he was five years old. This was two years ago. um at a I think he was at a birthday party or something, and um
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um and he died by drowning. um so um I do understand about the financial uh situation, um but like I said, it would be the only kiddie pool within X amount of miles. And it could and most of the time, the kiddie
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is the first opportunity for those little ones to learn how to swim.
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when it comes down to pools. There's no reason why it should be only in the summertime. um So the programming is the issue uh with encouraging uh swim classes and things of that nature.
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out of school and they just open the gates and that's pretty much it.
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If the program was there, I believe they will participate a little bit more. That's what my personal opinion. um But I do understand about finances. I get it. I'm frugal in my life. ‸ as well. So I understand. um But that's my only thing about the kiddie pool. It's the only one around. But
this is, for me, it's not about finances. I
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And uh when they were teaching the infants how to swim, they taught them in that olympic style swimming pool, not a kiddie pool. yeah And uh
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And I would sit out there and watch it and uh It was just a much easier for them to assist the kids in swimming in the regular sized pool than ‸ And like I said, this is an olympic style swimming pool
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And uh it was incredible. Yeah,
there's no shallow end
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so uh kiddie pools are nice
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pool, the program has to do better. It cannot be just for the summertime. um So that's because we wouldn't need, if it's only
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the summertime, we wouldn't need a
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It should extend the
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to extend the program like it should be. so Like
you said, that program should not just, I mean, we we have some seniors in this community who could learn to swim.
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know So it does need to to be not just lessons for children, but adult lessons as well. we I mean, we lost uh a resident not too long ago because he couldn't swim and he was an adult. So um we definitely need to expand that program and a heated pool would definitely go a long way towards allowing that to happen. okay
I agree. I mean I think uh bringing the new center there brings some additional uses. That could be one of them and I think that brings some new opportunities as well as swimming. But we will have that conversation with Brevard County. uh I can take that as your consensus and then we can proceed forward with the construction. Okay. all right sir It'll be ready for next summer.
all right Good job. Okay. We're gonna ‸ move on
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uh public works. Our record.
Yes, uh Mayor ‸ Council. uh Staff's requesting to approve a budget resolution amending the fiscal year
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from stormwater utility contingency to stormwater infrastructure. uh This would be for the implementation of the
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the
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budget
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so the money was put in contingency now we know what our projects are so we want to move from contingency and put money in those projects so they can start uh being implemented thank
you sir motion to approve
motion from deputy mayor warner second from councilman boulevard all in favor signify by saying aye aye aye opposed passes unanimously item number two
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uh approval for the city to apply for save our indian river lagoon grant funds in the amount of
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implement
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uh
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as a open window now for uh grant funding
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high percentage um but uh every dollar helps every
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saying aye aye aye Opposed, it passes unanimously.
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uh yes sir requesting approval for the city to apply for a 2019 managing community forest grant program in the amount of 55 000 and uh this is a matching grant so the city would uh is agreeing to commit 55 000 towards the match requirements in the application uh to conduct a tree inventory, establish an urban forest master plan, plan to undertake uh ‸ planting project to meet goals identified in the master plan over a three-year period. In addition, there's a second grant that we're requesting uh application approval uh to apply for a 2019 urban and community forestry grant
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to commit to a
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match towards the match requirements uh
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uh Both of these are uh matching grant funds. uh If we do receive the funds, the city would be obligated to spend the money which we don't currently have budgeted. so Thank you sir.
Motion to
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Warner. um ‸ The chair we second that. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. aye Opposed. It passes unanimously. um Item number four. Again. you're
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approval of a resolution
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hazard mitigation grant through the hazard mitigation grant program under hurricane Michael.
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‸ at 859 Indian River Drive. If you drive down Indian River Drive, there's a section of guard rail that looks like someone uh was drinking when they put it in. It was put in straight and uh you know through the years, the subsidence of the ground has kind of pulled that guard rail The next thing to go ‸ is the curb. And right after that is the road. So we're looking for uh this is a 75 25 uh grant
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FEMA would fund 75 000 and it would protect that area of the slope.
Motion to approve. Second. We
get
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um Item number five. uh This is to uh request approval of a resolution to authorize the city manager to execute FEMA hazard mitigation grant applications through the hazard mitigation grant program for Hurricane Irma,
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on Fisk and Broadmoor
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for utilities project to reconstruct lift station number one. This was approved approximately a year ago. However, there was not a resolution as part of it. So we have to come back and and have Council
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resolution. ‸ So uh ‸ these have been applied for. They were actually applied for in August of 2018. So it's been over a year. uh We've just, uh on the Fisk and Broadmoor heard from FEMA, they're starting to work on this. And they go, oh you need a resolution. So we're here tonight to get that uh ‸ get that done.
Thank you, sir.
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station number two. Panel rehab. Project ws 20st to park it. Construction of West Melbourne, Florida. The amount of 148 000 And
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‸ The amount not
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of the contract value. For a total project cost of
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Thank you, sir. Motion to approve. We get ‸ motion from Deputy
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saying aye. Aye. And also,
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And, uh but before we go
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that you all get a copy of this. This is um from Habitat. People know them for building homes where they actually do rehabs and uh replacing roofs
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And uh
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and all the criteria with all the the contact information. So because there's been a lot of folks
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about something like this. So thank you, ma'am.
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by uh Councilman
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