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Thank you ma'am. This is okay. Okay, hold
on, hold on, hold on,
hold
on.
One moment, one moment. I just got some new cards. One moment, please. All right, hold tight. Before you get started, please. See there? Everyone secure your cell phones, please. We're going to do things decent and in order. And my thing is to treat with everyone with the same respect as you want to be treated. We would like to, before we get started with today's meeting here for December the
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moment of silence
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We would like to have a moment of silence for her. Please, sirs and ma'ams. Okay. Mrs. Majors, would you lead us in the pledge, please? I
pledge
allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. We'll have
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Please bow your heads. Heavenly Father, we come to you tonight. You say where two are gathered, and here we have a whole room. All right. We thank you for the blessing that you've given to help support our democracy, work things out humbly, give space to where concerns may be raised, and give peace in our hearts as we show kindness and fruits of the spirit as we have our discussions tonight. ‸ Heavenly Father, thank you for all that you've allowed us to do. Thank you for allowing us to be here today. And we hope that no matter what the outcomes may be, that they are in service to you and in service to others. We pray this in his name. Amen.
Amen. All right. You may be seated.
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Christmas to everyone. Happy Kwanzaa.
Happy Hanukkah. And Feliz
Navidad. Merry Christmas to everyone. All right. Madam Clerk, may we do roll call, please?
Yes, sir.
Excuse me.
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Present, ma'am.
Deputy Mayor Hearn. Present.
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Present.
Council Member Goines. Here. Council Member Koss. Here.
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Here.
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Thank you, ma'am, for the roll call.
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2023. I would like to modify it so we can recognize two of our outstanding citizens. One of the two are my former students. I would like to add them under proclamation, awards and presentations.
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So we have his mother in the audience.
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well. So I'm asking that we do modify the agenda to reflect this. And I need a second. Thank you very much, sir. And this is coming from our fire department. We're talking about investing in our own citizens, straight from our own community. And that's the greatest reward we can
do.
All right. I have a motion on the floor in a second. Chair's going to call the question. All in favor by saying aye. Aye. And then nays.
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Proceeding on to item number 2-2, regular meeting of October the 10th, 2023. That's A, B, District 4 Town meeting, Hall meeting of October the 7th, 2023. What are the wishes of council? Motion to
approve.
We have a motion on the floor by Deputy Mayor Hearns and I'll second it.
just
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going to call the question. All in favor by saying aye. Aye. And then nays.
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I have a proclamation that I would like to read for National Homeless Persons Memorial Day. I'm asking council to come down below so we can read this proclamation. And to the records, please. And city manager. And city attorney.
Thank you, sir.
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has caused and hastened the deaths of inadequately housed low income persons in Brevard County. The spirit of the holiday season of giving provides an opportunity for affirmation renewal regarding the commitment to end homelessness. Whereas December the 21st, the first day of winter and the longest night of the year, has been designated as National Homeless Persons Memorial Day for the National Coalition for the Homeless. Whereas the Brevard Continuum of Care Coalition has planned countywide memorial events recognizing homeless people who have died in our country. In this season of generosity and sharing, citizens of
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to commit themselves to promote compassion and concern for fellow citizens, especially those who are poor and homeless. Whereas
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our emergency ‸ shelters, and in condemned or abandoned properties from ailments or conditions directly related to homelessness, the cause of ending homelessness is kept urgent as the collective commitment to preventing such deaths in the future. Now, therefore, I, Michael C. Blake, on behalf of the great city of Cocoa and the city council, do hereby proclaim December the 21st, 2023 National Homeless Persons Memorial Day. I have here on set to my hand and caused the seal of the city of Cocoa to be affixed
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Please, let's give this proclamation a round of applause, please. ‸ Because homeless people are also human beings, too, and they do matter as well. So, Mrs. Linda Graham, would you come forward, please, because you're part of the organization. Let's give her a round of applause. ‸ From continuing. Come on up.
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Yeah, a lot of died in everybody.
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Come on, who else are we missing? Come on, Matthew. That's right. Even though we come from different tribes, we belong to one race that's a human race because we're all God's children. I'm a firm believer in that. If you don't like it, stay mad at me. But in the end, you'll understand. In the end. So. That's all right, man. That's all
right.
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Um. Linda, would you come forward? Thank you.
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You
know what? I'm good. I'm
good.
We all took a minute.
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All right, everybody ready? Yes. One, two, three.
Okay.
Thank you,
thank you. All right, let's give homeless a round of applause. Um. From the various organizations, would you all like to
say
anything? No?
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Yes, okay. Okay. Go ahead, man. Go ahead, man. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. We're right here.
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Good evening, Mayor
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I am Linda Graham, a member of the Brevard Homeless Coalition, as well as the Advisory Board Chair. I am joined by several members, as you saw, but highlighting HFH supportive housing. Please know that
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her team members, members of the Homeless Coalition boards, and the many partner organizations, I thank you for your support in declaring December 21st National Homeless Persons Memorial Day, a day to remember those who have died while living without permanent housing. It is sad, but in many cases, these memorial services will be the only commemoration of ‸ the life that they have lived. We want to invite you to attend one of the three memorial services that are being held across Brevard County on December 21st. It should be noted that our 2023 point-in-time count, which is a homeless census for Brevard County, revealed that there are over 1,000 persons who are experiencing homelessness, and that was a 15% increase over last year. ‸ And that's been the highest count since 2015. So what can be done? Our strategic plan details it best, housed and healthy. Our plan is to add 1,200 units of housing with supportive services to our chronically homeless residents.
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‸ Most recently, your support and approval of the HFH's Orchid Lake development will not only bring 90 additional affordable housing units to our great city, but this is a supportive housing project, and that is a big deal.
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stop supporting. What a display of how ‸ together we can make homelessness rare, brief, and non-recurring for Brevard residents through a regional coordinated approach.
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There are many ways that you can be involved. As one of our valued partners, we invite you, along with anyone from our Brevard County community, to participate. You were given a booklet. I'm assuming you already gave it. Okay. You have been, or you will be given, a booklet that details information on the different things that are coming up. So
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one of the Homeless Memorial events, and thank you again for this honor.
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Will you and your family members come down, please?
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in a career straight out of high school. So to Gabe and Siren both, we are very proud of you and know that all these people really came tonight to support you guys. And we will continue.
‸ Come on up here. Okay, okay, okay. We have a principal, a state champion principal. Let's give her a
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of applause. Denise, step right up here. Denise, come on up a little bit. Thank you. Now, I will be remiss if I didn't acknowledge her. We were
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in support of our Tigers.
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support the Tigers, and that's what it's all about. It's about our kids ‸ and the community that they represent.
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‸ Okay. All right, you want to say anything? I
just could not be more
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and your operation because this is a tremendous opportunity. We're looking forward to having more students take advantage. We did tours of the police department yesterday and the firehouse today, and so we look forward to being back here next year with some more young men and women.
Okay. Fantastic. Let's give our illustrious, industrious principal a round of applause. Gentlemen, mom, Gabe,
you,
or Siren,
y'all
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want to say anything, gentlemen? Come on. ‸ Come on, Gabe. I almost said. Go ahead. Come on,
man.
This opportunity that I was given was truly a blessing, and I can't wait for it to be
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and to
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So thank you.
Thank you.
everyone for being here. I'm so glad. My fire chief
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better fire chief I have. My
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chief. My partner for
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it's for me like a family. I love it so much for them.
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Maybe I'm
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Oh,
get ready, get ready. Okay. What is your parents' name?
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Okay. ‸ My
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is Anna,
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Thank you, Mr.
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for opening up your heart to include your
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Gabe, tell me who is this teenager right here? Oh, yeah.
Oh,
yeah.
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Oh, yeah. This is my mom.
Yeah.
Her name is Joy Schaller right here.
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Yeah!
I can't forget these two right here.
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Best Chiefs. I forgot that last time.
Okay. Anything else? ‸ Are we ready? Come on. Yeah, let the game begin.
Okay.
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You're good. You're good. Okay.
‸ Ready?
One, two, three.
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There you go.
All right.
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All
right. Thank you. Thank
you.
Congratulations.
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Thank you,
Gabe. Thank you,
Mr.
Simon.
Thank you, sir.
Thank
you, sir. Yes, sir. ‸ Thank
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Thanks,
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for your
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Yes, sir. All right.
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item, it is delegations. Under delegations, you have three minutes to elaborate on your particular item that you would like to address.
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Okay. Okay.
‸ And
I only have one card right now under delegation.
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Would you come forward, please, ma'am?
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On behalf of HFH Supportive Housing, we just want to thank the city, the staff, the council, the mayor, everybody here for being so supportive of our Orchid Lake project. And we will be having a
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We're
going to have a ribbon cutting ceremony here in a couple of months. It's forthcoming. I don't have the date yet. We're trying to figure it out because we're waiting for our certificate of occupancy. But when we have it, we want to let you know, and we would love to see you all there.
So,
thank you.
Thank you. We thank you for what, let's stand up and give them a round of applause because, hey, man, you're doing something good and positive in our community.
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you. And we're talking about the last five minutes in the world of community. It's unity. And you all are making it happen. And that's what it's all about when you have skin in the game. So, thank you all.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
Yes. God bless. Okay. ‸ Seeing we have no additional cards on the delegation. I would like to proceed from delegation and go to consent agenda item. What are the wishes of council? We have a
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I'll second it.
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gonna call the question ‸ and favor by saying aye. Aye. And then ayes. Ayes have it unanimously. Okay.
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Mountain Cove.
Okay. Mr. James Adams. Sir, are you here? Yes, sir. Okay.
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I'm just trying to make sure I put you in the right. You want to speak about which particular item, sir?
About your
development out there by the Canal Road.
Yes, sir. The north side or the south side, sir? North side. Okay. Thank you, sir. That's what I would like to say. Okay. I hear you, brother.
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Got you kindly, sir. Thank you.
What year did you graduate?
1978. Were you born then?
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Okay. You're right there. Along with James Rowe and Rick Lyons. Okay.
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to public hearing. Um, we're starting with item number 6-1. Consider ‸ first reading of ordinance 24-2023, a zoning text amendment, amending chapter 3, advertising and signs section 3-23. General regulations of the city
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repeal of prior inconsistent ordinances and resolutions. Incorporation into the code of civil, availability and an effective date. Okay.
And
I think is the applicant on the phone.
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reading of this ordinance. Mr. Garganese.
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Thank you.
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As you noted, Mayor, this is first reading and also a public hearing item. I don't know if anybody is here to make a presentation, but this is being requested.
He's on the phone. The applicant is on the phone?
Not yet. I'm getting
him out. Okay. 10-4. Is it?
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then press pound.
Stacy, thank you.
This is
Stacy. Would you please read your item into the records as we get the young man on the phone? The applicant, is there any information you would like to share with us pertaining to the flag?
Yes, thank you.
Yes, ma'am. Go ahead, ma'am. You can get started. We're waiting on the applicant. Go ahead.
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you.
Alrighty. The
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Zoning Board consider a 130-foot flagpole within a
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Currently, our code allows only for a 32-foot flagpole with the maximum flag height to be one-quarter of the height of the flagpole.
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if we could tailor an ordinance that could be created to allow flagpoles within our city and they have, and to specifically allow the flagpoles at major intersections adjacent to I-95. The city currently limits the flagpoles and sizes because of the, in residential and ‸ commercial areas in effort to limit clutter with the flags and advertising. And this area out further out of the way will be an area that will not allow the large format flag and flagpole to be a visual distraction. The city seeks to allow this flagpole and flag and ‸ future others to encourage business growth through the subtle advertising and target marketing of this and other businesses' primary customer base. This ordinance is specifically narrowly tailored to
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city and only in the commercial ‸ zoning district by the American flag because that
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So, um, so, um,
so other
accordingly, other property owners that are eligible to install the oversized flag may choose a flag with an alternate message than just the American flag.
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place by the proposed ordinance. Following our staff analysis,
the
proposed ordinance is recommended for approval. If approved, the proposed ordinance will impact commercial business districts within 1500 feet of the
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The pros proposed ordinance will not negatively impact existing neighborhoods and will actually help to increase the retention of existing
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The city will seek to establish and maintain a stable and growing economic base through strategic incentive programs and diversification of the economy. The planning and zoning board did recommend disapproval of this ordinance during their previous meeting, but city staff does recommend the ordinance for approval.
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I think the point that we're discussing is location location. And the ability to, um, you can't limit anyone of their of their amendment
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So I think.
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the the PNZ did vote this down As well, do we have any questions? for Staff Okay saying none the applicant
‸ Just one
‸ Yes, you want to let the applicant go first because sure okay, yes, ma'am go ahead
My name is Joe. Sorry.
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Good evening, mr. Mayor
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flag The structural engineering drawings that we have stamped for you the pole can only hold an American flag That was one of the Topics of the PNZ.
They were
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worried about us putting a A logo flag beneath the American flag, but the flagpole itself cannot It would be So expensive
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Engineer such a flagpole you know, this is um It's already a big flagpole It's already engineered for a 40 foot by 80 foot flag, which is a big big flag Honestly, um And it's a beautiful flag and what I wanted to show was the concern they had Was other businesses putting up poles with their logos underneath which we don't want to do But what I was trying to point out was the cost the cost of these poles is
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But what we're trying to do is promote patriotism. That's really what it's about
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What we want to propose is a landmark When when when you go down the highway that has a third generation flagpole Maker and flag maker I mean listen it runs through my veins
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beautiful. It will be lit Um with two lights. I think we're doing 27,000 lumen lights, which is really spectacular Uh, which
lights
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the entire flag Um, but what I wanted to show is the cost because I was worried about other businesses
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understand other businesses putting up,
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um It's expensive ‸ I guess i'm trying to defend ourselves And but really the pole can't hold it The city won't we can't even get it would be so it would not work Uh, you can't make a steel flagpole that will hold anything other than that grandiose 40 foot by 80 foot American flag
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you guys can see what that costs It's ‸ an expensive project um, but it is beautiful you'll see it A long ways away, especially on the interstate and it's it's a very I mean look champion world loves their flagpoles. They put up a ton of them. I do them all over the country and um
um
You know if there's any questions, I would love to answer them
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tell me boy that american flag looks ugly I and i've been doing this 24 years 23 and um It's a big project it is And I just think it would
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We have things in place for if there needs to go to half staff They get an immediate email It's an internal halyard which is a hand crank so they can lower it Raise it with one person can operate the flagpole Um, the other thing too And it's it's um, they don't camping world does not Like a torn or weathered flag The second the flag is torn or weathered We every store has a backup flag and you can see flags are expensive It's an expensive proposition to run this flagpole.
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Do you understand mr. Mayor?
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It's just a what I was they were concerned about i'm just trying to touch on It's this size flagpole is very expensive to operate Annually and then they were worried about the custom flags the job they put up on the screen now
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of
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size
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four months So you're looking at that, uh, you know, you got to order three of those a year
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He's the most patriotic person and i've met a lot of people From being in this industry he's incredibly patriotic and um Like I said, we don't want to fly anything But the american flag make an improvement for the city make an improvement for people driving by They pull in they see this big flag people take pictures with flags they do business around this flagpole um And really that's that's kind of my conclusion Uh, I can touch on the engineering if you wish
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a lot of attention It brings
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It is a landmark and people love it. They flat out love it So thank you very much if there's anything else i'm here
Thank you joe, um,
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calls
Yeah, um I'll move on from my first question I think what concerns me here again is that we're changing an ordinance and this is going to give If this business were to go out of business Or If along that corridor there were another business that wanted to raise a flag to this height That's pretty tall Actually 32 feet high is tall That's an eight foot flag. That's pretty large as well And I appreciate that he is patriotic I mean we all are we branded our city our our water tower with a flag
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But using that as a brand ‸ identity for a business Um, that's a little different
Does she need some water? Can she get someone give us some water please? Thank you
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Or you were just referring to this ‸ objective?
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Because it's supporting the
um The business and other businesses that might be inclined to fly this kind of flagpole.
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It's a
non-monetary incentive. Okay
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could we have going at one time? Well within well when you figure from where they are plate
placing it
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Thank you. I appreciate that
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In terms of the number of flags you don't have a count you just have to be in proximity To the highway right?
You can be no further than 1500 feet from the intersection not just the highway the intersection So we have three major intersections in our town. And if you are within a thousand foot of another business that's already flying a large format flagpole You would not be allowed to do it So I would anticipate that we might be able to get no more than probably Two at each intersection, but I would be really surprised
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But when you um
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The flagpole and then it costs in this example
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For a custom flag and then they have to replace every four months. That's that's somebody's gonna have to have pretty deep pockets That's well, you know,
we have to be a good business and um But I think in terms the advertising value is Great.
Yeah, it's beautiful. I love to see it,
but
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Thank
you Okay, great for the company
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I have to Open it to the public correct, sir.
Yes, sir.
Thank you, sir And if you want to acknowledge
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Okay
sure
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like
to close this portion to council and open to the public come forward state your name You have 180 seconds to
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going once Going twice
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return to the council. What are the wishes of council?
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it for discussion
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and how um, it would affect uh Individuals would not want to deny them from their amendment one rights to But i'm asking that it would be appropriate and that's something that they would have to determine But um, my thing is I think it's a way to enhance employ ‸ Business and generate
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Yeah, because um When I said it's great advertising value, I mean, I think ‸ it's really great for that company But we're giving it to that company versus Another or we have others come in and you end up with competing flags um, I'm just And again, I mean I guess the number one thing is that it doesn't have to be an american flag Um, and something that large and standing out that much Um, that would certainly be a distraction Um
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toyota Um And as far as uh Patriotism and labeling ourselves that way we've certainly done that With painting the flag on our water tower, so That's why I would be opposed to this
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Um, I just wanted to For clarification, um, i'm definitely always in support of flying our american flag I wear it on my suit, uh, just by every meeting Um,
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and it's probably uh garganese you
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help me out on this
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in place to um, kind of control the uh Content that are being Flown on these poles
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but
right now there are no like constitutional content controls that the city can place On the ‸ on the flag itself. The content is um off limits under the First Amendment.
Thank you Okay
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I'm listening,
sir. Okay, then i'm gonna call the question.
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130 foot flagpole that's 13 stories Okay, so, um, this will be the business that we're known by
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tall is it?
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favor
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I'm let me do that so you got two nays or three nays
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didn't hear you vote let me do a roll call you voting yay or nay
yes
Yes, i'm voting yes what are you voting uh uh deputy mayor her Nay. Nay. What do you vote, Councilman Beringer? Yes. Yes. Councilwoman
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Nay.
Okay. Let the record reflect three yes two no thank you ma'am all right Moving on to item number two. um consideration of first reading of a zoning map amendment
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portion of
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from INST Institutional to RU 2-15 Multiple Family Dwelling. um This is pertaining to
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and I will give everyone the opportunity to speak, ‸ but I'm asking you to speak clearly and speak and um so that you don't cross over into anyone else. If there's someone speaking the same thing that you have or address been previously for the sake of time, but I will give you that time. I'm asking you to, if they've already stated your own individual concerns, please take that into uh consideration. ‸ All
right. All right. um Esquire Garganese,
sir. Since I read this in to this, and I know Mr. Steve No Toe is going to elaborate. Is there anything you want to share with us, sir, before I get,
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it in by title only.
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number 23-2023. An ordinance of the City
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official zoning map designation of a portion of one parcel of real property that portion totaling uh 1.002 acres more or less and generally located northwest of the intersection of
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Street and Forest Avenue at 825 Forest Avenue,
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legally
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institutional to multiple family dwelling RU 215, providing for the repeal ‸ prior ‸ consistent ordinances and resolution severability and an effective date. This is first reading of this ordinance, also a quasi judicial matter and public hearing item. So,
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All right, Mr. Steve
No
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Sir, the floor is yours. Thank you, Mayor. Good evening. Good evening, council members For the record, uh
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presenting this item on behalf of staff. As you mentioned, Mayor, this is a rezoning request for just under a six acre property
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well as the intersection of
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currently operates as the matthews Hope non-profit Faith-Based Homeless Outreach Ministry. The ‸ future land use designation of the entire property is HDR, High Density Residential.
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2023 from
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Commercial to its current classification of HDR.
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it was split zoned ru 215 on the eastern side and ru 225 on the western side. What you can see on the zoning map, the surrounding neighborhoods, you have a mix of ru 215 neighborhood commercial, commercial warehouse, and then other residential zoning districts to
the east.
as you mentioned mayor the applicant is requesting to rezone roughly 1.002 acres of the subject property to ru 215 The map that's on the overhead right now shows the general location of the area that would be rezoned. That is the only area that would be rezoned. On the overhead, excuse me, is an aerial that shows the general area of the rezoning request, as I mentioned, just over one acre. And
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building that is already occupied by Matthews Hope. Before I continue, I wanted to provide a very quick overview of the zoning map of this general area. This was a question that came up at the
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hearing related to split zoned properties. It was a question that couldn't be answered at the time. But between that meeting and now,
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reviewed some of the map information and spoke with city staff and just wanted to show this from an informational perspective regarding other properties that are in the city that have split zoning. You can see on the overhead, if the clicker works,
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the green, the institutional. Just to the east, there's a string of parcels that run along North Indian River Drive. that these are These are actually one parcel, each one of these, and they are all split zoned, either between residential state and neighborhood commercial, or you have a couple that are residential state with RU 225. You have additional commercial zoning districts here. And then another parcel is the Coco Grand Apartments, which is over on 520. The frontage on 520 is CW zoning. And then just to the south of that is RU 215. So I just wanted to provide that for clarification.
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multi-family units in ‸ the roughly one acre of the just under six acre subject property, which includes the existing daycare facility, which received special exception approval from the Board of Adjustment on February 1st of this year. The specific location of the rezoning area, as I mentioned, is more centrally located on the site as opposed to being on the western portion, as shown in the exhibits of the staff report. The planned use of the rezone areas to provide low-income multi-family housing units as part of the
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organization that currently operates on the subject property. The multi-family units will be constructed within a portion of the existing structure in the space that was previously utilized as classrooms of the former church. There is no new greenfield construction that is proposed as part of this rezoning.
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the City Council adopted Ordinance 06 2023 which amended the
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map designation ‸ subject property from com commercial to HDR high density Residential. The purpose of the amendment was to complete the first step of regulatory amendments prior to the middle of the rezoning request. As I mentioned, the subject property was previously zoned already 215 on the eastern portion and
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on the western portion.
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provide for an electronic sign, which was not permitted in the prior zoning districts. The existing future
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the subject property allows a maximum residential density of 25 dwelling units per acre. As I mentioned, the request is to rezone just over one acre of the subject property as ru 215
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a maximum residential density of 15 units an acre, so it is more restrictive than the overlaying land use category. as such a maximum of 15 residential units could be constructed on the plus or minus 1.002 acres the applicant is requesting to provide a maximum of six dwelling units as part of their request ‸ the existing building. Your staff report has an analysis within it on pages
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That is an analysis of the Code of
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Appendix A, Article 21, Section 1G. I'm going to go over just a few sections of that analysis as part of this presentation. Items to point out, uh finding of note A, the proposed change ‸ contrary to the established land use pattern.
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the surrounding land area consists of a mixture of residential, non-residential, and institutional uses. The residential uses consist of land,
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with commercial feature land is developed as single-family homes. The proposed ru 215 district is not contrary to the established land use pattern, and the applicant will review will be required to comply with the development standards of the ru 215 multiple family dwelling district of the Code of Ordinances. The proposed partial rezoning area would encompass one acre of the subject property which currently includes the daycare classroom buildings which are located on the northern portion of the site and buffered from the single-family homes to the south on Hillcrest Drive. number ‸ Letter E, the proposed change will be contrary to future land use map and would have an adverse effect on
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The existing feature land is map designation of the subject property is
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is consistent with the future land use element policy 1.1.2.3 for the
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standards for future land use category show that ru 215 is an applicable zoning district for the HDR future land use category. Item F,
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make the passage of the proposed amendment necessary. The applicant stated in their application that as the needs of the community have changed, they have proposed the partial rezoning in order to support their low-income housing initiative and to accommodate the low-cost daycare ‸ facility on site. Any additional uses beyond what are allowed by the existing institutional zoning which is limited requires ‸ rezoning. The proposed rezoning will
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on site and will be consistent with the surrounding zoning districts and a mix of residential commercial institutional uses. And not to jump ahead but the applicants present this evening and they will go into more detail regarding that finding. Item G, the proposed
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‸ living conditions in the neighborhood.
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acre as i mentioned the proposed rezoning to ru 215 will limit the plus or minus 1.002 acres to a maximum of 15 dwelling units. The applicant is proposing to provide six dwelling units as a
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dwelling units proposed change will not adversely influence living conditions in the neighborhood
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the existing parking lot and former church slash Matthews
Hope
buildings.
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our attention that the form would change at all and that the access points and the building footprint are anticipated to remain the same. The intended use of the area to be rezone is expected to improve the living conditions of those that are unable to currently house themselves as they transition to stable housing. With regards to
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uses under the high density residential future land use category for the city of coco comprehensive plan it is also consistent with objective 3.11 housing supply, which states assist the private sector to create additional units and preserve existing units to satisfy the projected demand of dwelling units of various types, sizes and costs, which will ‸ be needed to house the city's anticipated population through the planning horizon
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the land development regulations encourage the development ‸ redevelopment of housing that will integrate a variety of housing types and styles
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of the Zoning Map Amendment, consistent with the City Code, to
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approval of the requested zoning map amendment. I'll be happy to take any questions, and as I mentioned, uh Mayor and council Council members, the applicant is present this evening as well for any questions you may have.
Would the applicant raise a hand, please? Just raise your hand, I know, just just for the record, okay? And traditionally, we let the applicant go first. Is that okay by council Okay. I
have a question, Mr. yeah
Yes, ma'am. I see. I will recognize your light. I just want to make sure the applicant is okay to go first, and then I will open the floor, but hold tight. She has a question. miss Sherry, give me one moment, please please.
No, my question is, uh Mr. Noto, um when you were doing your research on the different um zoning combinations, did you find any building that had two different zoning classifications? uh
My research was limited mainly to parcels in general,
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on the research I was doing.
Because
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on it.
Yeah, it's a mixed. uh We we did speak with someone roughly two or three months ago that under home um on one of the parcels in that immediate area, and he was looking to see how he could construct it. And as part of those discussions, we noted that he could go beyond the zoning district boundaries and utilize the zoning categories as he saw fit,
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examples of that? Two zoning classifications on one building.
I would have to go back and look. I've seen some weird stuff, um but I would have to go back and do some additional research. Nothing's popping out in my mind at the current time.
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we place a restriction on that, based on zoning, that will limit that individual the opportunity to expand? Yes, sir.
Okay.
All right. So that then you'll know exactly what it's designated for? Yes,
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um
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Okay. You would like
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Well, let me close this portion first to the public, I mean to council, and open it to the public. um I would do Mrs. Sherry
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first, and then miss Hannah, you come. Is that all right? Let her go first. Thanks, ‸ ma'am.
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Yes, ma'am. Come on, ma'am. I get it, paisano. I understand. I understand. Good
evening, everyone. Thank you for mayor and
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looks like. Seven years ago, I arrived at Matthews Hope feeling scared, helpless, with nowhere to go. My two daughters, one of whom ‸ special needs. She looked to me for strength, and I was drained, empty, and had little hope. Without any family to call for help, you see,
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Walking into Matthews Hope that day changed my life forever, and I will forever be grateful. I worked the program for two and a half years, and these are the benefits I received from Matthews Hope. They taught me life skills. They taught me social skills. They let me have financial classes. I'm still debt free today and my credit score is 735.
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they walked with me as we both learned. We faced the challenges head-on without fear, and today, Olivia is well prepared for the future.
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a lot of support. Despite all the challenges, she earned her GED and used the money that she earned for her first job to buy her car, and she had a lot of baggage and an attitude as a teenagers as well. But her support team never gave up on her.
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sense of normalcy, especially during trying times in a program like Matthews Hope. Thank you for the transit thank you for the transitional housing that was provided for me and my family with a safe and a comfortable home to call home.
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the door on the problems of the day and the challenges that I had to overcome and just be the family is something that everyone deserves. I'm here to support matthews Hope in any way I can. I want to pay it forward to other families that are in that need right now. Thank you for listening and most of all, thank you for your support. Does anybody here have any questions or comments? I
just wanted to ask, um
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And that was the facility I visited. I yeah was there, spent a couple hours there. So they had some homes off campus. Were you in those homes? I
was.
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and we were in a three-bedroom home ‸ there.
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went in and my kids were still kind of nervous. I shut the door and started crying and I got on my knees and I thanked the Lord that I had a home to call my home. And I could read books at home with my kids at night and it was just us. And I was able to be the mom that I could be and I could leave all the challenges that I had to fight to get through this program and to learn all the lessons that I had to learn during that time with my kids alone. So God really spoke to me right there in that home.
that's
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And matthews Hope
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certainly um been positive for a lot of people. um But you were off the uh campus site. You were housed off the campus
site, right? yes
‸ Okay, thank you. Yep.
Anybody else?
Yes, ma'am. My concern is
this.
Okay. Regardless of the location, the skills and talents you learned from matthews Hope and the caring, regardless of where the location would have been located at,
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i I don't, I put everything, ‸ before I got into matthews Hope,
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at one time. And when I got into
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and deal with one problem at a time. And don't let it overwhelm you. And that was the beginning of me being able to move on today. When I have challenges, I'm able to put it in a box and solve it one box at a time. Matthews Hope taught me how to do that.
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not only just because of you, but for your family. Thank you. And that's the most important thing. That's the greatest position we can have
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yeah, especially today. Yes. Today there's, when I see homeless today, I want to sit down with them and just ask them questions. What got you here today? Was it a lack of a job, a medical, a divorce? It's as simple as that. It's one paycheck away. That was for me. One paycheck away.
Thank you. Thank you. God bless. Merry Christmas, man Merry Christmas. Okay. Applicant, please.
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Good evening. Good ‸ My name is Hannah French. I'm executive director of the porch light Foundation, which is a 501 c3 created to build housing for
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intervention. We believe that housing is a virtuous cause, a moral and ethical endeavor that can provide for the fundamental human need for shelter in creative and life enhancing ways. Here in
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support to individuals and families without shelter in Brevard County. We are seeking this partial rezoning in order to expand the offering to include transitional housing. porch lights role is to manage the design and construction process.
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but earlier this year, the city sponsored a future land use change to high density residential. My presentation attempts to address some of the concerns raised by planning and zoning and this body,
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to one acre and also medium density versus high density. We're only seeking that
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I want to address the boundaries. um It might be easier if I zoom in just a little bit further.
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include the Montessori preschool that's on site today that is under a special exception. If this rezoning is approved, that special except special exception is no longer needed because it's a permissible use. So that's why we've jogged the boundary. To address some of the concerns about whether a building has a split zoning, the purple area is a separate structure. Both the blue box and the purple box are separate CMU buildings,
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As Mr. Noto mentioned, and I want to reiterate, the scope of our work is entirely within the footprint of these buildings. We're not proposing any new structure, and the aerial view you saw before will not change. So this is an overview of the operations currently.
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They have the sanctuary, they have the social hall, which is where the hot meals are served. There's a shower building that they've just recently added, administrative wing with medical offices,
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professional medical care. But we're talking about that classroom section, the purple. Now this is a blueprint from 1958, so certainly conditions have changed over the last 65 years, and that might be why there was some confusion about whether there's a split zoning of an existing building.
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You can see they used to be Sunday school rooms, and we're seeking to pull out that acoustic ceiling, we'll replace the flooring, we'll add kitchens and baths, and really make these fully functioning housing units. For reference, here are photos of the Winter Garden transitional housing that was referenced earlier. These are single family and duplex homes, but just to give you a sense of the quality. These are comparable with any market rate or permanent housing you would find and are consistent with the quality that we would deliver here. So we know from the work in Winter Garden that this program works. You you just heard Sherry talk about it. You'll hear others later this evening. But it's a unique formula of accountability from participants with hands-on, personalized support. So this is the formula that works in transitioning people into lives of self-sustainability and independence. Now some folks have mentioned a comparison to other programs in the city. I want to talk through some things that differ. So first of all, this is not an emergency shelter. Someone cannot just approach Matthews Hope and secure one of these rooms. It's not open to everyone. It's not going to be advertised publicly.
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demonstrating the staggering need in the community. So given the size of this rezoning request,
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today could be accommodated by this housing. So Matthews Hope has to use great discretion in selecting participants who ‸ demonstrated consistency, and interest, and most importantly, the ability to transition to lives of independence. ‸ that's certainly not everyone who walks through the door. Do
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program is full-time employed at least 40 hours a week.
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a portion of which goes into an escrow account, which serves as a forced savings. So at the end of the program, which is typically two years in duration, the individual or family leaves with enough to put a deposit down on a permanent housing solution of their own. Further, participants agree to random drug testing and curfews, attend weekly life skills classes that help develop and improve financial literacy and other essential skills that make transition and in permanent success possible. And just to address the the comment about the facility being on site, I think that's actually a benefit because matthews Hope staff is present and they can be directly observing what's happening
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are in the program or have completed the program, three of whom are here tonight. You heard from Sherry. These are everyday individuals and families who found themselves in need after crisis or trauma, the loss of a spouse or a child, domestic violence, life altering medical diagnoses, the ‸ list goes on. Many Americans don't have the financial cushion to whether an unexpected medical bill or loss of a partner's income. These individuals were no different. There is a thin line between stability and homelessness.
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position of self-sufficiency and independence, but as Sherry mentioned, they're building into others.
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are facing the same challenges that they faced. This program really works and we can see it through the dozens of lives that are already impacted. All you have to do is make the housing possible,
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But as
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Burton would say, you don't have to take my word for it because we have graduates here to speak and share their own stories. Neighbors have expressed concerns and
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can actually improve property values in the adjacent neighborhood, can actually reduce crime statistics, and have other positive effects, including stability of workforce that doesn't have to commute hours to a minimum wage job. Some have raised concerns about petty theft, litter, more foot traffic. I would say whether ‸ you look at the housed or unhoused, the employed or unemployed, take any group, you're simply going to have a few people who make poor choices. And I don't believe that we should sacrifice this benefit because of a few poor choices. I guarantee you that anyone who's given a chance at secure housing isn't going to jeopardize that to go break into somebody's car. ‸ One of the neighbors responded to our application and said nothing has changed in the community. Anyone who can look back at the last three or four years and say nothing has changed is speaking from a place of great privilege. We've lived through a global pandemic that claimed the lives of over a million Americans. We've seen an influx of residents move to Florida, spiking ‸ home prices and rents. We've seen named storms double or triple your homeowner's insurance rates
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unprecedented rapid inflation on the basic cost of goods. So if you're someone who hasn't felt this, consider yourself fortunate. Sorry, ‸ get a little emotional. At previous PNZ and council meetings over recent months,
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from a stormwater inlet. Last week, a developer was questioned on their plan to rehome gopher tortoises.
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our fellow man as much as we care about other creatures.
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us to promote compassion and concern for our fellow citizens and keep the cause of ending homelessness urgent.
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better on its own. It requires intervention and action.
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organizations to provide for that fundamental human need for shelter for those who so desperately seek it and give them a path to becoming better versions of themselves. I respectfully request your support of this rezoning application. I appreciate the opportunity to present and thank you for the consideration.
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miss Hannah. We have a question here. uh Councilman Goins, then Councilwoman Costs.
i just I had really just two um questions. um Some items that came to ‸ me from citizens that I listen,
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necessarily agree with every single thing, but I definitely wanted to bring that question in you so you can
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the transitional housing. So what does transitional housing mean to matthews Hope program? What is that?
Yep. So it's a program that helps people move into self-sufficiency. So I think in contrast to something like Orchid Lakes, Orchid Lakes is a more permanent housing solution for
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program seeks to improve the lives of individuals who are facing homelessness and really put them in a new place. Like Sherry mentioned, now she can live on her own. She's got a great credit score. She's cleaned up her life. It's
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into a better life experience. And
and so when you're making that determination on who gets that opportunity, um is it more families? Is it more um a mother and child, father ‸ child? like how How does that work?
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So
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space for single individuals that is sectioned off as well as single mothers with children. I believe that that is the highest growing demographic is single moms and children. um
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that continues to happen. So it would be a mix. Okay.
uh And ‸ next thing, really for Chief Collier on this one, um as far as, ‸ you might can't answer this, but
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um it's A lot of the phone calls that I did receive was talking about uh some of the things that she brought up with people in the neighborhoods and things of that nature that may be doing some bad things or maybe pulling on door handles or whatever the case may be. As far as reports um of these things happening, um what does that look like in the last year? I mean, is that a a major spike, which I don't believe so, but I want you to say it.
I don't want to give you bad information. Okay. So I would have to look at the numbers, but
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in
any criminal activity, but I'd like to give you the facts to give you the true numbers. But it's just for for my day-to-day activities and looking at our our um pass along
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that I can share.
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Okay. Thank you.
That's all I have. Thank you, is that
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question when you come to the podium, okay? Not now. It was your time because I attended all three meetings there with Officer
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and the chief was there too as well on several other events. Councilwoman,
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Yes, um miss French, may I call you Hannah? ‸ Yes,
of course. We
met several years ago.
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Yes, we did.
um At the community meeting when the framework group who you're employed by um did a community meeting to purchase a Bank of America building and they have since done that and we have accommodated them.
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high density
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that's actually the
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did you set that up about a year ago
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And they were all affordable housing. So, um okay. um i also know that framework group is is looking um for a tax abatement on that bank of america building so i
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respectfully wish to separate the two although the president of framework group founded this non-profit we don't mix the deals the idea is that we do market rate in a city we also would love to do affordable in that same city and then our non-profit arm partners with local non-profits to build homeless housing but i don't want to mix the business of the two organizations
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um And, actually, I'll just, I'll say this because, um again, matthews Hope has, i've supported I supported matthews Hope coming here. um
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spent a couple hours with Scott in Winter Garden um before they came here. um ‸ And I just want to, because we have a great need. um I think what may be missed here, though, is the service and the heart that
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has shown. I don't know if you're aware, but um
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um out of Brevard, which is 1500 square
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Brevard is 600 000 people, approximately about
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the
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so you know. Just so everybody here knows. um
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have, and and we have in my time in office, and
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in the Orchard Lakes neighborhood to get that through. um I also have been the council member that has been at every one of um the inventories. You know, the point in time counts. So I'm well familiar with the camps. um I've really studied it. In fact, the first, one of the first meetings I was ever in, and and uh Councilman
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So I find this really ironic, five years later, here we are. um
But
we have, and you know, we have the Crosswinds. We have 60 churches in the area. We have the Children's Hunger Project. We have um Family Promise and matthews Hope and Housing for Homeless and the Sharing Center and the Women's Shelter. And, um it you know, the Family Promise and the um Orchid Lakes and
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the last couple of years. So um I just want to say so everybody in the audience understands that
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is a big hearted place, and we have certainly taken on our share of um of investment and resources for building houses in Diamond Square. um We have other affordable housing projects. In fact, you know,
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in the entire county. And so I just want everybody, because I know we're going to,
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and, you know, our our hearts are, you know, we're going to have a lot of strings pulled and it's that time of year. But I just want everyone to keep in mind that um as we look at this, um that we keep in mind this is a county-wide solution. I mean, it's a county-wide problem, I should say, that needs some county-wide solutions. um I know that the uh Homeless Coalition is one of those. um But we need a variety of solutions. I
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agree. I agree. And I see what you're saying about Coco. It's part of why we fell in love with Coco and we continue to want to develop at all price points. And while we're here tonight, um despite all of these organizations that do great ‸ work, there are still hundreds of people that show up at Matthews Hope every week demonstrating that there's still a need. So it's wonderful that what you've done. And I do think that Matthews Hope addresses
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because of the way that they seek out, they they make loops around the county and pick up people in other places. And it is a burden for Coco. But I'm not asking for any city funding. We're here with our own dollars and are doing this on our own. So we're adding to the great pool of other organizations. so And I think it's still a great thing.
um Okay. So well I'll leave it at that. But
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I'm quite familiar with that area. I lived there for 20 years. And um I think I know what they're talking about. That housing development actually ended up next to a metro station. So it's kind of uh
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in terms of how you interpret the property values on that. I watched the property values go way up. But it was more about their location than it was the fact that it was, you know, affordable housing development. Okay.
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Pals? Do you volunteer your time there? Yes, sir. Do you volunteer your time with uh the Coco Youth
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for um the children there as well?
Yeah. That
live both in
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and rock ledge
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One of the few times. Keep up what you do. And I know we all do. I know we all do. I know, uh Deputy Mayor Hearns, you're involved in the youth program as well
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touch the hearts of the people because that's what it's all about.
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the hearts of the people. You got, Councilwoman, ‸ Just
to say that I did not mean to imply in any way that
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that I was doing more than anybody else. Just that this particular issue, because five years ago I was figuratively flogged on this very dais for this exact same issue, but
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know, housing for homeless and doing the point in time and um had personal experiences trying to get several people through the system. I went out when um matthews Hope made, you know, was going to come here. i I made a point of going ‸ there and researching it. So that's... thank
you, ma'am. I i wasn't finished, but it noticed, uh been a southern gentleman, I did defer
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miss Fonda, correct, sir?
Yes, sir.
And you collected monies from us. Yes, sir. Also participated in the
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Walmart where we purchased uh eyeglassware for the keys of the community. Both that endeavor, which is in uh Deputy Mayor hearns uh district as well,
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program. Yes, sir. ‸ to all of council, I say keep up the great work. Thank you. um Councilman
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I had, and I'll be done, because I know we have um probably a lot more cars. um But the the thing I would say is you invest now, you pay pay for it later. um I'd rather have anyone, and i I recommend people invest uh dollars and time as much as they can inside of our community because
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could be one accident away, one health issue away. My wife may lose her job. I may lose mine. I don't know. um ‸ So some sometimes, um you know, even within myself, I have to look in the mirror and and have a heart for for um for others, but but definitely have limitations for sure. We definitely have to have uh parameters and controls like the mayor brought up earlier.
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know we have uh probably another 12 cars left.
Absolutely.
Thank
you very much. In the country, we say it's a short step from the penthouse to the outhouse. It's a mighty short step. Gary, uh do we have any more questions for miss
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‸ Thank you.
Okay.
Gary R. Rodriguez.
‸ Good evening. My name is Gary r Rodriguez. and I
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the first member of the housing project that we're conducting at
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um I want to say to you that homelessness is not, and I've said this before, it's not a color. It's not prejudice. It has no money value to it. I attended a highly skilled uh level five school. I played on a highly skilled baseball team at that school. I've been a manager of many, many companies. In fact, one here in uh Brevard County, uh
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um but because of one bad decision, ‸ as the gentleman said before, I ended up homeless.
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And at the time I was just wandering wondering what to do, living from couch to couch, trying to figure out what was the next step. Once I got there, Scott Blue, the gentleman that y'all ‸ been talking about so much here, who created matthews Hope, gave me hope, which is in our name. He gave me a direction along with the two advocates that had found me, who counsel me daily. Okay. um I'd like to say that, you know
you
know, eventually we would like to get more people off. Let me ‸ let me say something. Like she said, we have more than 300 people that come through our doors weekly. 98 of those people that come through our doors, I continue ‸ call them by name when they get in there
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of those people
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who they are. I will never forget that I was homeless. I'll never forget the fact that these people took me off the street and made me feel like somebody. I'm presently going through um ‸ celebrate recovery, which a lot of you
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never had a drug problem whatsoever. But I did have some mental issues.
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that wore the color red. And that's something that you don't find in Brevard County, but it's present. What I'd like to say is that eventually we will be able to cater to a lot more people here in this town, a lot of people that you will not even consider. Part of a homeless. In our community. What I'd like for you to do is consider what we are doing as a part of your community and respectful to your community as something to your community that could be respectful for your community I'd like you to please please let us be a part of the respect and the confidence that your community can present.
Thank you, sir. Thank you very much next Shannon Diaz
hi my name is Shannon Diaz I am a graduate from the transitional housing of Matthews Hope when I came to Matthews Hope I was a shell of a person I was broken in every sense of the word I ‸ was not only homeless but I was also hopeless I lost custody of my kids was newly sober Matthews Hope took me in taught me the skills I needed to know to become
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doesn't seem like much, but to my three children, they now have their mother, and that's everything. I don't know where my life would be if it wasn't for Matthews Hope I am able to be a mom a worker a wife and now a homeowner to Matthews Hope I owe it all they believed in me when others turned their nose up at me. Thank you for your time. Does anyone have any questions thank
you ma'am thank you for ‸ yeah
thank you
Alan Cowell and then after will be Gina Fadley
may I go after her
yes sir you have she would like to come
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yeah I don't have a problem with that. She doesn't.
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extra minutes as the
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rules do allow authorized representatives to to present on behalf of the people that are that ‸ are listed but they speak on behalf of them and the rules then state that those that are listed you know are being represented by this person and don't individually speak
so so Al and I will
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I have some also okay now which group you missing
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‸ So your three minutes will be allocated to her, so she will give her six minutes, and then you will have a
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cool beans that's fine
I don't want him to give up his three minutes so I'll just uh
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and so mayor would I might offer a suggestion that we allow the speaker to utilize the time given and at the conclusion of those minutes if we find the need to extend the time period for an additional time period that we make a motion to uh for an additional set of time typically maybe ‸ five minutes total additional or or whatever the council might deem so
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There's a remote genie whatever whatever. Do you have your card?
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um well currently we don't have it so what i can do is
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be a it's not
we have being
facetious or anything. We will bring this back. No, because
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Well, I'll give you three minutes, ma'am. You can state your calls. We don't have the PowerPoint right now.
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Okay.
‸ okay Can I wait and you get it?
‸ Yes, ma'am. You may have a seat. Alan, come on up. So
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My name is Alan Cowart. Like the mayor, I was born ‸ bred here. I'm 62 years old. I've seen a lot of changes in Coco. I don't want to go over. I know she has a great presentation and I don't. um it sounds like matthew hope's a great item they sound like they do a lot of great things what i've seen and what i've heard not from the company but from the neighborhood and people around here there has been a lot of crime and increase in that area apparently they bring busloads of people in. um They said that they don't have any control of them i understand that you're not. I'm not going to control somebody that I don't know. I don't have any way to do it. There's been crime in the areas that has increased. There's the house that's closed up. People moved out because the crime was there. They woke up and found people in her backyard. Guys, I'm staying here. So yeah, there's been crime increase and you don't want it in your backyard. I don't want ‸ in my backyard. I'm a deputy sheriff ‸ of 10 years
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all the time about the homeless people. there's I don't come to with a problem without coming with a solution and I don't have a solution for homelessness. It's I see most of the people, I'm not going to say that, a lot of people that are homeless don't want
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home. I've been in times that they tried to help people to get a home and get a job and they don't want it. So you can't help people that don't want to get help. These people are helping people that want help. I have no problem with that. The problem I have is I have an uncle's house that was broke into
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the house. And there's a lot of stories like that in that area. And they, you know, so who's, if they're not responsible, they're not the ones that made it happen i understand. But it's because of if it's a, I was told it was going to be a ladies ‸ and children's thing. And apparently it's not just that
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together. But if you're bringing men in and it was
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there. So the numbers, you're not, you know, you're not increasing anything to the best. They only have so much room to help people. And
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part of what's happening in the area? If that's, if it didn't have that before
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got homeless camps showing up all the time. And what do we do for that? um
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know, we're not, I deal with that all the time. People saying, how do you get rid of them? Well, ‸ we're not getting rid of people. People are there and you're not going to delete them. um we need to try to help them. And then, so you've got to find the best way to do that. And
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And that's, uh that's a bad thing because I never want to be in that position. I need an answer if I got a problem
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a question. um you know, I don't know where the money is coming from for their unit or who pays for all the stuff
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we've got so much homeless stuff here that, and section
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housing already, you've already mentioned four or five units of section
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housing tonight. ‸ If that's not increasing our taxes, then you're
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better. uh to do that.
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um it's just a lot of stuff that's been said tonight that we can't
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minutes. So, and I know I'd want to follow her because ‸ she's going to cover a lot of it, but, uh I'll go with that. If there's any questions I can answer, I'll be more than happy to, whether it's been law enforcement and anything else I can do. But,
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I just wanted to respond to your comment about uh the the possible uh or the outlook of more crime in that area where
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um I think it's easy to pick at pick on Matthew's hopes for that issue, but I think if you ask anyone up here on the dais, everyone in their district has experienced an influx of homeless issues, including crime, especially in my backyard. I know uh Councilman
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has talked about this for a few months now. So I think we're all, as a whole,
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is experiencing an influx of homeless people and uh some of the crime from the bad actors. um As you stated in your own statement, I think Matthew's hope is helping the people that want to be helped. uh And i
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I worked with the homeless as well. And there are that population of people who don't want help. You can give them a home and they won't even, they won't go there. um You know, that's a solution that we're gonna ‸ have to work on as a county as a whole, in my opinion. But uh for those that can be helped, I'm all in for trying to find a solution to help those people that want to be helped. And uh it is a complex situation. So um I just
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to, you know, really relate back on that. um I think what I'm seeing a crime in my district from homeless people, and that's not all homeless people. you You just have that population of bad actors. So I just wanted to put that out there.
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100 But I don't think that Coco needs to say, we want all the homeless people. I mean, and then that's uh maybe a little loud to say it like that. I'm not trying to say we are, but we we are in the middle of the county, which has been pointed out earlier. But at the same time, we get a lot, a lot of homeless people here. And we we don't
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it? You know, how do we help them? And, you know, I've
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um Like I said, born and raised here.
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like to see improvement. and But
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um i guess any more questions, anything else I can do? Thank you for your ‸ Thank you, sir. Have a great day. Yes.
Mrs. Smith?
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you all. um I live about four or five blocks from Matthews Hope. And after the presentation today, you guys really impressed us with how successful you've been. But the problem is we also, and
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huge because I am a walker and I try to walk up on
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but is overwhelmed with homeless people. and
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We have a lot of people that hang out there.
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you feel unsafe. Now, I don't feel unsafe around these people, but the problem is this is going to attract more homeless. And the homeless, no offense, drug addicts, alcoholics, mentally ill, they're not going to go along with the rules that Matthews Hope puts up. So, where will they go? ‸ Well, a lot of them are under the bushes at the
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Library. And i I hate to say this, i I don't want to sound mean, but
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Now, yes, are there more homeless people? Definitely. Hard times. Inflation. But let's think of everyone. You guys gave
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tremendous amounts. We all definitely volunteer at our churches. We try to help as many people as possible. But sometimes the people that have tried to do the right things and live the right life, because
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our parents or the Holy Spirit said
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We know people that went into homelessness and went into drug addicts and became drug addicts. So
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Ms. Nilda, ma'am, please come forward.
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I just want to let you know
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for 25 years. My husband is a surfer and he loves this town and we moved up here 10 years ago. My house is disgusting. I have trash in the front of my house. I live very close to the church. They throw their food containers on my yard.
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They leave their trash everywhere. They throw my things around. They pick up my solar lights and they throw them around. They have taken things off my fence. I have questioned them, asked them to please leave my property. They sit right there on the floor to the point where I almost had to call the police. And then once he saw me on the phone, he picked up and he left. Please don't tell me that there is not crime going on because things are being destroyed every single day. I moved here. I have a lot of health issues. I moved here for peace and quiet. The last years have been horrible. Horrible. I have no issue with helping anyone. I am a Catholic. I believe in God. I believe in help. But I also believe that I have the right to live peacefully in my own home. My property is my property. I do not want anybody throwing trash on my property. I don't throw trash. I don't go to anybody's house. And I don't throw anything. I pick up trash. I'm disabled. I've had over 20 back surgeries. I have metal everywhere. It's very hard for me to move. And yet I'm out there picking up trash every single day. Once the feedings are done, it is horrible. The amount of trash
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I am sorry, but that is the word. It is disgusting. You are going to bring in more people, more people, and more people, and we are going to have no place.
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this? That's not fair. All of us that work really, really hard for what we have, and I'm not saying that they don't work hard for what they have, but don't take away from some to give to others. That is just not fair.
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exist, it needs to be very well monitored. And it's not. It is just not. The trash is just ridiculous. Anywhere you drive, you go to the library, and people tell you, look at this. Look at this. Look at this. I mean, it's just a mess. It's just unfair for the people that live there. Those of us that live between Forest and Indian River are dealing with trash on a daily basis. People are just cutting through our property, throwing things all over the place. We want to live peacefully. We're not asking for anything. I'm not asking for anybody to be thrown out. I'm not. That's not my business. But I want my property to be respected. I want my peace.
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And that's the same thing that I'm expecting. If they are there, there needs to be some sort of supervision where, and I don't know how they're going to do that, because it doesn't exist. I live it every day. It just does not exist, and it's not fair. You're bringing more people to a very small area, and we're already overcrowded. The traffic on Forest is horrible.
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I'll wrap that up.
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Ms. Sarah DeWitt.
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And then after Charlene will be Eric Madsen.
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I have actually been a volunteer with Matthews Hope since I've been 12 years old. And now I actually cut hair for Matthews Hope. So today I did a little over 12 haircuts with a bunch of our guests. One thing I want to say before I start is actually Councilwoman Koss and I have a lot in common with what I'm going to say and what she said earlier. I'm here to champion a cause that transcends structures and regulations. I'm here to advocate for the transformative power of hope. I stand in support of Matthews Hope and their endeavor to establish transitional housing for the homeless in Cocoa, Florida. The issue of homelessness is not merely a lack of shelter. It's a web of adversity that can grip anyone at any moment. Matthews Hope understands this deeply. They're not just aiming to provide temporary roofs. They're building bridges to stability. They're
building bridges
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stability,
offering a lifeline for individuals and families to rise from the depths of despair. Transitional housing isn't just a place. It's a sanctuary where lives are rebuilt, where aspirations are rekindled, and where families can heal. It's more than four walls and a roof. It's a nurturing environment that fosters growth, empowerment, and a renewed sense of belonging. By granting Matthews Hope the opportunity to establish transitional housing in Cocoa, we're not just endorsing a project. We're embracing the chance to rewrite stories, to break the cycle of despair, and to create a community that believes in second chances. Let's remember, the absence of a stable home doesn't diminish one's worth. It challenges us to extend empathy, to unite as a community that values compassion, and ‸ to stand shoulder to shoulder ensuring that no one is left behind. This initiative is about more than permissions and regulations. It's about humanity. It's about
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a fair chance at a brighter future. It's about building a community where hope thrives, where resilience is celebrated, and where compassion knows no boundaries. I urge you all to consider the profound impact this endeavor will have on countless lives. Let's be the community that believes in the strength of unity, in the power of compassion, and in the potential for a better tomorrow for every person in Cocoa, Florida. Let's stand together, let's support Matthew's Hope, and let's pave the way for transitional housing to uplift the homeless in Cocoa. Thank you.
Thank you, Mrs. DeWitts.
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Okay, have a seat, young lady. Please, please. I know you. Charlene, you know we know each other. Please.
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Sir.
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I asked her at 2 o'clock.
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Thank
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Okay, it starts at 6, so we're just talking about a 20-minute buffer zone.
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Let me let them do this.
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in essence, you gave Monica the device after business hours.
I asked her at 2 o'clock what was the deadline for submission, and I didn't ‸ answer.
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‸ But you are going to do it. I'm not going to deny you.
Okay.
But I'm just saying use ‸ a greater discretion, please. That's all. And thank you, Mrs. DeWitt, for being understanding. Charlene, thank you.
She can go.
No, ma'am. Go ahead.
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Give him a minute. He'll get it up.
You will need to speak into the microphone so that the people at home can hear you.
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homeless people there. Assurances were given that there would be no residents living on the property. Recently, we heard of this rezoning petition, and we feel misled. In response to the frustrations at the future zoning meeting, we were told last summer, don't worry, because no zoning changes can be made without the full consent of the community. We, as the neighboring community, do not give our consent. I come with the signatures of nearly every single residence and many of the businesses within the 500-foot zone, most
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Parkway, Mitchell Street, Mulberry Street, Peachtree, and up to Delanoi, and ‸ many other interested folks joined together in all these pages. There's just lots of pages. Pages and pages and pages of petitions signed to demonstrate our unified voice. No zone changes, please. No more special exceptions, please. Incredibly, at least a third of these people that signed have their stories of rising crime. We do not feel this
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in the interest of public safety. We have witnessed robbery, drug dealing, drug use, harassment, fighting, theft, loitering, littering, disturbing the peace, animal abuse, trespassing, prostitution, public disturbances, breaking and entering, and indecent exposure. Yes, it will be said that Coco had these issues before. Yes, it will be said that we can't prove that these are ‸ because of Matthew's hope moving in. But yes, we, as the residents, know that this year has seen a notable escalation in crime in our neighborhood.
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She had to move, get out of there, ‸ move to Rockledge. Now we have busting out bail bonds moved right in there. And just this week, just this week,
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There is just ‸ absolutely the requirements for a zone change. There is not sufficient, competent, substantial evidence to support this proposed change. Nearly every affected resident in this vicinity does not want this change. It's not in the public interest or our welfare. We have increasing public safety concerns, and it's not necessary. There are better community options close by. Coco has drawn tourists and residents for over 150 years.
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here, renting, buying our homes here, raising our children here. We pay our taxes. We vote. We are law-abiding, contributing citizens, and we do not approve of this request. Sadly, most people I spoke with don't feel that you're listening. We feel people saying over and over, why bother? They won't listen to you. It was done in a back deal. It's already a done deal, and you don't care. I'm pretty unhappy with that because I want to trust our government.
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We love ministry. I have been in it for 35 years. That is not the issue here. We're not discussing the validity of their leader. We wish them success. This is a ‸ long-term zoning issue, a long-term zoning issue, and we as the neighbors ask that no further zoning change or special exemptions be made. Please, please, thank you. ‸ Lots of thoughts and lots of names.
Any
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but have you seen anything specifically? I mean, personally, yes.
Oh, ‸ well, where do I begin?
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One of my favorites, which I think I told Alex, I was standing in my side yard, and a man came up with a bicycle, laid it down, walked right up my yard, passed me talking to this man, right to my back door, pulled his pants down and pooped in front of my back door, walked back by me and got on his bike and left.
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And four days later, I think he came back, cut the screens on my porch, took the pillows out and was laying on them. I did call the police that time, but they said, well, we can't, we can't prove that he was the one, because you didn't see it with your own eyes that he cut the screens, but he's laying on my cushions.
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Let's see, I had a man move into my front yard this year for a whole week while I had some missionaries staying there on their vacation. Lovely. And
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live there. And I was like, you don't have the right to live here. But we did actually get him evicted finally. I've witnessed just at Thanksgiving here a painful incident for me as one homeless man was beating the other homeless man's dog and kicking it. My own mother's house, we brought her to hospice. We just, it was terrible. We brought her into hospice and her home was broken into. They were living there, sleeping in mama's bed, eating her food, left the freezer open, trashed the place, stole everything that could be sold.
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I know it's not you guys, I'm sure, but somebody, it was trashed. That was my mother's house. Things were stolen. Yes, I've seen a lot. I,
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I could just keep going. There's so many. But you wouldn't believe how many I heard from talking to the neighbors.
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I just realized ‸ it's huge and we probably do need to have a community meeting with you, chief of police, and start figuring out ways to address that problem. But again, this is not about their ministry. We want to solve this problem. We really do. I mean, we really, really do. But it's about housing and becoming in our neighborhood on a ridiculous zoning request.
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anyway, yes, I've seen. Thank you. I have seen things. There's many more.
Councilwoman Carson, finish, ma'am.
Well, and you grew up at
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And my husband's family actually gave the property. They allocated that Methodist church property.
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So several generations back. And it has never been intended to be residential zoning. It was always a ministry and holy site in the family.
That's
what. And we want it to continue.
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I just want to clarify
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Yeah. One of them did. And the one just moved in five or six days ago. Yes.
Okay.
Business is changing in the neighborhood. Yeah.
Okay. Miss. Thank you, ma'am. Mr. Faley, do you want to say anything?
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Mayor Blake and members of the city council. Thank you very much for this opportunity to give input on this issue. My name is Mark Faley. I live near Cocoa Library, just a few blocks from Matthews Hope. I'd like to address the question of whether there's a need for rezoning, part of the Matthews Hope property, to allow for housing. On the application for rezoning, question letter P asks, whether it is not impossible to find other adequate sites in the city for the proposed use in districts already permitting such use? Well, as we all very well know, it is possible and very easy to find other sites in the city of Cocoa that are already zoned for multifamily housing, both with and without existing buildings. There is no need for this strange and illogical spot zoning smack in the middle of an institutional property. Furthermore, other organizations are already providing excellent housing solutions for the homeless. And I wish the
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because I would give them major props for what they're doing.
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the new Orchid Lake complex going in on Michigan Avenue due to open in just a few months. So spring of next year, it has 90 units being built, a total of 156 bedrooms and half of those, that's 45 apartments are dedicated. And I love the way they put it to those saved from homelessness. I don't know how you can argue that a ministry that calls itself Housing for Homeless is providing housing for homeless. I mean, it just, it's in their name. We are grateful for the long successful track record of Crosswind Youth Services on Dixon Boulevard. Since 1974, that's 49 years folks, they have provided shelter facilities and a wide range of services for runaway and at risk youth. And then let's look at New Life Mission founded in 2008, which has four facilities around Brevard County providing housing for homeless women and their children. Just in September of this year, they opened New Life Village on the former Hacienda Girls Ranch in Melbourne. This is a secure gated environment for homeless single mothers with families. That brings their current total to 40 housing units and they will be adding 60 more at New Life Village. To me, it makes perfect sense to wait and see how well these facilities, especially the new ones from proven organizations, meet the needs in our city and county rather than approving this request for rezoning from Porchlight Foundation and Matthews Hope. So, thank you for your attention and consideration. Thank you.
Any
questions? Thank you.
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thank you for your patience and I appreciate you. We have our understanding.
Well, honestly, I don't know that I want to follow my daughter because ‸ she speaks much better than I do.
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backyard. You know, the backyard that nobody wants the homeless in? Because
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bring them in to our facility, but then
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they can be self-sustainable.
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all all talked about our program, and that there's requirements that we just don't let anyone in. Hannah has said that. Okay. But then other people can come, and they can be given avenues
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We have veterans that are still homeless that are being connected. I have a gentleman with a brain injury that now may wind up in an assisted living. But guess what? They'd still be in your backyard if we weren't here to give them that information. And
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um housing for homeless housing.
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on my way here. to make sure that it was understood that they are not providing transitional ‸ housing. They are permanent housing. Which then means that there is no time period for these people to get the support. I would just ask that people educate yourself. We were never going to build a high-rise apartment.
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being
misled. Okay.
And some of the things that are being said that are just so inflammatory, it's it's very disappointing. So
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Thank you. Thank
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um Then Jennifer Thompson. Do we have any other cards out there? If
you
have any cards, please come forward. Okay. Go ahead.
Thank you for the opportunity to speak, council members.
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My daughter Juniper. And my mother-in-law Natalie. uh We live in close proximity to matthews Hope
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the organization. I think you guys do great work. work And uh there's a lot of you know amazing stories that do come out of the organization. But I'd like to offer my perspective as a father in the community and a local physician. So sadly, there's a large number of unhoused members in our community. The underlying cause ‸ their circumstances is often complex and multifactorial, but frequently coincident with addiction and substance abuse along with mental illness. Unfortunately, without adequate mental health or substance use disorder treatment services, many of these individuals are never able to overcome their illness and remain unhoused or in poor living conditions.
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I've witnessed the following incidents. We've had trespassing and burgling on our property. We've had drug use on the sidewalk in front of our property while walking my daughter to the library.
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There's been drug use at Lee Winter Park. There's been squatting on my neighbor's property. These encounters have raised my concern about the safety in my community and prompted modifications to our family's routines.
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the library the
library
I think other families looking to move into the area will be as well and likely consider other safer neighborhoods. Based on my experience living in other parts of the country, in California and New York, and seeing various approaches to the management of unhoused populations, I'm deeply concerned that adding more supportive resources locally, including transient housing for the unhoused
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are among some of the city's greatest assets. To
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I do not think the answer is to ignore the needs of these individuals, but rather strongly consider where and how we assist without harming the
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community. My wife is a psychiatrist and a member of a local non-profit mental health counseling center.
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and I'd be happy to discuss and plan with the council members ‸ the importance and implementation of programs that provide things such as medical assisted therapy for opioid use disorder. I hope that we can all do the right thing and promote a safe, growing, and welcoming community for all.
Thank you, sir.
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‸ Okay. Can I ask a question one moment? Somebody submitted a card by the name of Jesse. There's no last name. I can't. You want to put the right?
I
just
wanted to say something.
Ma'am, you have to give me to fill this out, please, properly. It's not your first time here, either, so I know you know the protocol.
thank
you, ma'am. Yes, sir.
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and then Scott
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i I think you are, um you're needed, right? I don't know. Something just came over me just now when you're standing there. um By having a family that's so close and with the profession that you and your wife are in, this is exactly what the community needs is someone like yourself uh to get um um
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because you will be, when we go into our home and cut our water on, we brush our teeth, we cook, we do all those things. We change our settings on our AC. We turn the TV on, turn on Netflix, right? I would just with 16 individuals that was homeless just yesterday, and all 16 are under 35 years old, right? um
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that looks like, but sometimes God just speak to me in moments that I don't even understand sometimes.
um
Alex, I'd be more than happy to be with you at another time. Yes, sir.
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We you know moved away for our training. We've always wanted to come back to Florida and made our way back. This is where we wanted to raise our family. When I was in Tampa, I was part of a you know a boys mentoring program. um I did work with uh street medicine with the University of South Florida. um you know so I've participated in a lot of these programs, and I'd be happy to provide mentorship, to talk about resources and figure out you know how to make our community a safer place for
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a problem, and you know it requires a complex solution. um i just The reason why I you know felt it was so important to come up and speak tonight is just because where and how it gets done is so critical, And it really, you know, it we need to think about all members of all the community. And, um you know, i I want to help. I want to help these other members of the community who you know are in difficult situations, on house
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Yes, sir. I appreciate Got
your number. So uh absolutely
be prepared. Okay. All right.
that is sir? Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you, sir. Mrs. Thompson. Thank
you very
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Mr. Mayor, would you um allow me to ask a question for um qualifying purposes? Yes, ma'am.
um
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um I don't know who I'm asking, but during staff's presentation, you mentioned the original special exception that came forward. I think I heard that it was for um a special exception for a sign. Is that correct? Yeah.
Right.
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There was a the rezoning that occurred in 2016. It went from
are you 215 and are you
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225 to institutional for the purposes of installing the electronic sign. Yes, ma'am.
And then was there another special exception for institutional to the request tonight?
The the special exception was for the child care use that's in
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repeat what other people have said. um Just provided my own two cents. And I will say this, Matthews Hope does great service to the community, to a community that has a great need. I've had experience um with
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I've known
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And I've had the opportunity to know Miss Sarah DeWitt since she was this tall. So I can say that they do great work and their heart is absolutely in the right place. And I'm not questioning that at all. um
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on Muni code while some individuals were speaking. And I thought that the original special exception was specifically because there's a prohibition against treatment and recovery centers, including halfway houses. And then I went to the website for Matthews Hope and it says that there's currently 14 transitional units that are currently available. So my question is, are these units that are already available? Have they already been have they already been approved under those operating units? And then my other question is, at what point was there a community meeting? Because we have more than 200 people is my understanding that have signed a petition. And
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that might be the case for many people. They may be saying that. But I just think if we were to have a community meeting officially by
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a little further beyond 500 feet,
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that isn't just three minutes at a podium back and forth this way, but a dialogue between the applicant, understanding the broader issue, where the chief of police would have those those actual stats on the crime in the area where we could share and dialogue and come up with solutions. And so you may or may not have received the email that I sent last night, but I come to this meeting with a special request. And that is ‸ request that I don't see why this has to be moved to the second phase tonight. I think we can push pause. One of you can make a motion for a continuance. You can turn around, publish and post a community meeting, allow everybody in the community the opportunity to come to the table, have those conversations, and then let's work it out. Let's figure out what those special conditions of approval might be. Let's figure out how we can mitigate the concerns and let's come up with a plan and then come back and then go ahead at that point and vote on this because our community needs it. But also we need transparency and trust with the residents and the 200 people that signed that petition
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to go ahead and
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Let's have a meeting of the community and then come back and you guys can make the decisions that you are um that you are guiding us to make the decisions for the city of
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So thank you very much.
Mrs. Thompson, we did have a meeting at his facility three consecutive times, really four with the grand opening and I attended all of them and the the the public was clearly made aware of it.
how were we ‸ sir How were we made aware? Because I do pay attention.
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I think they gave gave out written invitations. ‸ Thank you. um
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So the documentation of being notified
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I was there on three and we had
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Then there was also Chief Collier that was there too as well. And a few other officers that were involved. Matter of fact, we held a meeting with the police department,
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Am I not correct? So I'm saying advertisement is beyond all scales, ma'am.
Mr. Mayor, are those minutes available from the meeting? Yes,
ma'am. We
can get that? Yeah.
Scott, raise your hand, please.
No, I know Scott. I know Scott. That's why I'm asking. okay if there If it was a if it was a a legally posted meeting with minutes and the applicant was there and the citizens were allowed participation and those minutes are available and
I'm
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through the official process, would be willing to host a meeting. That's what I'm asking for outside of the 500 foot boundary.
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don't have to. It's a matter of sometimes passing smell
tests
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Can we have a meeting?
No. I'm not saying no to your answer. um I have two lights on. But this
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on multiple occasions, not one, two or three. I'm talking about ‸ clearly, like I said, other municipalities, our sister cities and even on Cape Canaveral came and participated. So it was wide open.
um There were council
members there. We had to notify publicly. there was residents Right. so So kicking the can
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now.
That's why I stand on that issue. Okay. um Council,
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you, County. We have a question here from Councilwoman
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uh Well, just the question is, so despite all of that advertisement, which I don't know. Did you see anything?
No, ma'am. I pay attention. I pay attention the best I can. yeah um i I saw the advertisement in the newspaper. Yeah. And then I was reminded of this when somebody knocked on my door and asked me to sign a petition. I don't get on social media very much anymore, so I wouldn't have seen that. And unless it was through an official channel where I could do a public records request and ask for the documentation, then no. I understand that the applicant, which they're great, they can do an open house, absolutely. But I'm more asking in terms of an official capacity.
And I think the fact that so many people are here and so many people have signed petitions says we need to talk about this more.
That's all I'm asking,
yes. um So what does a pause hurt? I mean, it's kind of interesting that we've even scheduled this to line up with the Christmas holidays that, you know, less than
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week we have the second hearing. I have been here five years. We've never done anything that quickly in um zoning before. Never.
that's
We've never had this many. Well, first of all, in the five years I've been here and in the three additional years I was coming to meetings,
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So, I i mean, this is just, we're breaking all precedence with this and it just, what does it hurt to spend more time talking about it? That's what we did with Orchid Lake. I mean,
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And um the residents were really good. I mean, they came up with a list of things that they really wanted to see addressed. And once that conversation took place they supported it
And
it was in their backyard too, so it was, you know, um everyone here has voiced support for
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We need to work through the placement.
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I did hear you ask the question about the zoning prohibitions for institutional and whatnot. uh Just as a as the speaker, I know that we're going to have some Council discussion on this. uh Would you be okay if we you address that during Council discussion?
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because when it was presented, it said, you know, once this is approved, it can't really be changed. But, you know,
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the Orange County Commission, and I can tell you that it can be changed. the Comprehensive plans are changed. Zoning requests are changed every day.
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if I was an applicant and this was successful, which it will be successful, I would come back to this commission or this council in two years when not all of you will be here. And I would say, look how successful this is. Let's expand it. So that's why I asked for a community meeting, so we can talk about what that might look like from a comprehensive standpoint, because we have a need in this community. So let's not do it piecemeal. Let's do it comprehensively
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but this was the first one that I was able to attend that I was notified of, and that's why I'm here tonight.
And Mayor, would you be all right if we hold that until we have discussion? I mean, the ‸ question that she was asking was regarding prohibitions ‸ and so on um
‸ I would like to hear from everyone first, and then maybe that conversation can be addressed. Okay, thank you. Yes, sir.
Thank you.
Okay, Councilman, Deputy
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um I had a question for the applicant. uh I know
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you guys gather for this uh project uh it doesn't come easy. um ‸ postponing this this uh question tonight. Would that cost you guys any additional monies? I don't know if you have contracts lined up or or what, if you want to speak to it.
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So, yes, as time goes by, grants are set up in such a way. we We haven't used any government funding. We haven't asked the city for one red cent. But what had the process being what it has been,
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held three community meetings, which four houses and three meetings showed up. Okay? So, uh as far as the commission former commissioner knowing me,
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we're having cocktails. i'm I'm surprised she even remembered it. But that's, we were not. I'm just telling you that we
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don't know each other. You may know Charlene in that. but But also, she also knows by what she said as a former commissioner, she also knows how this works.
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that's been put in front of us. And because we have made sure to follow every guideline, it has been costly. So, again,
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each day we go by.
Okay.
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sir. ‸ I just heard somebody make mention of veterans, homeless veterans. And I wanted to note that the Veterans
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to homeless veterans. And they bus homeless veterans in there. And they give them showers. And they have food there. And bedding. And medical care. And everything.
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of help in Brevard County for the homeless. That's
all. Thank you, ma'am.
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We've housed we got six of them housed in just the last few weeks, but they have to have somebody to be there for them and to advocate them. But none of that, most of what we've talked about tonight, gentlemen and ladies, most of what's been talked about tonight has nothing to do with why we're here. okay It has to do with what we have. We're here. We're an outreach center. We've been here for 18 months, and we will be here a lot longer. What we're talking about is housing a small group of people that have no available housing.
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And you all know this. And,
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talked about this. You know this as well. A couple things at hand.
I'll respond.
My question is, with all this crime, um why aren't you calling the police? That's a question I have because the first thing I tell people on my property, if somebody's doing something, he's breaking the law or being disruptive, is to call the police department.
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and, in fact, shared the exact reports that have to be shared with the
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that, in fact, showed there is not only not crime has not gone up, and
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aren't getting broke into. I see it all the time. But I'm telling you that this has been going on much longer. The library situation has nothing to do with us. One of the reasons we came here was because of all the homelessness we saw right here. That was the perfect location, and that's why we did it. But there's other things we got to look at. I suggest, and I'd be more than happy to invest our ministry's money in it, is put a ring on each of these folks uh ring doorbell, because that way we can identify who these people are, and we will be more than happy to help you track them down and press charges. We help nobody avoid the law.
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for years for goofy reasons at one after another. It was residential up
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a sign
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by the road, and that's how they came about going industrial.
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for a church. It was residential with an exception to put the church there. So if people did the research, they would know that as well. The good news is that
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Last time I was here, we talked about the fear of the dance school. The dance school actually practices in our parking lot, so I'm not sure where that fear is at. I will also tell you that they're the buildings are separate. They're separate buildings. They do not tie. The odd zoning was put together
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it. So that's what we did. Because we're not looking to build anything. We're looking to use the existing
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this is how you need to present it. They made another change. We came back and they said they would support that. And that was supported and then made as a recommendation to use the commissioners. But all those guidelines were followed.
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part of the thing that we have more time. But if you have questions, I can answer to almost every question that's been here tonight because I wrote them all down and I know exactly what the answers are and I'd be glad to answer that.
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people need to know about things that we are doing, how these people are qualified to stay there.
And you all have attended those neighborhood meetings or meetings with the merchants. Let me say that we
have. We are actually
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turned the lights on first. Okay.
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to the effect of you had a meeting with the developer pretending to um
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was this city?
No, we sat down with, yes, we as the councilwoman, we sat down, I called the association presidents in the area, called the neighbors that I knew. And we sat down face to face with um housing for homeless. And we just went, you know, and it was, at first it was tense. But, you know, there were things to work through. And I think it's a better project as a result. um
um
Because, I mean, everybody up here ‸ said the same thing.
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proposing coming here, I remember going to your facility and
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campus. In fact, when you came here, what you were going to be doing, you had vans that you took out to the community and
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it's a very efficient, it's a beautiful operation.
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But then they were leaving the facility, your campus. And so when you came here and we talked about Matthew's Hope being over there, we weren't expecting it to expand into uh living arrangements.
So would it be fair ‸ Obviously
they're needed, but
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say your failure
to ask the question is now my problem? I mean, seriously
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asked the question. I specifically I
say this,
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because ‸ I'm sorry,
‸ I looked you in the eye and I asked you the question. I also asked you, are you going to work with the other homeless groups? Yes, ‸ Because what I had learned was that this is a county-wide problem.
Yes, ma'am.
And that was the beauty of your operation. You were going to be traveling around the county.
Correct,
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of community meetings. I know I got a beautiful invitation. But with this many people here and this many people
opposed,
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we need to talk about this more. The city is in a good position to facilitate that conversation. And the way The orchestration of this meeting being
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totally unprecedented. In the five years I've been on council and three years I was coming to meetings before that, never happened before. We've never had this many public hearings right before Christmas as well. but And we've never had a second meeting. And to have it on this subject that is so um heart-wrenching.
do but can May I ask the question?
And changes.
is Is what is Does everybody understand who's living on the property? Because nobody's really asked. I've heard what they've complained about and what their concerns are.
You have people living on the property now?
No. ‸ But has anybody asked who's going to live there? And the answer has been no. nobody's Not one person has asked who's going to live there. There's been assumptions. And we know what assumptions do. Okay? we we Excuse me?
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No, I didn't oh ‸ my goodness. I
will not be bullied by you. I watched you bully citizens and
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person is gone, every single person comes on our property, we do a background check. Every person that lives in our housing has to submit to random drug tests whether they've ever had a drug issue or not. Truth is, most of them have not had a drug issue. That said, we still have them take what we call the life recovery classes because homelessness often does look like addiction.
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solved here, and the doctor was absolutely right.
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staff, along with mental health care counselors. He's absolutely right. But it won't be solved here. We have a mental health problem that needs, if people want to spend their time effectively, we can come here and we can make a lot of noise and we can use up a lot of oxygen. The reality is we have to go after our state legislators who can actually do something about it. Right now, our prisons and our jails are full of mentally ill people. Today, we had to call about one. Here's the problem. We called chief. We did exactly what we're supposed to do. What they come out is they do come out and typically do an assessment. If that person ends up being Baker acted, they go over to circles of care. They will be there 24 to 72 hours. They will then be assessed and evaluated and released with no medication and no follow-up care. That is not Matthew's Hope client. We see them. They don't stay because they're not going to comply to what we do. They don't. We are a very tight, tight organization. Now, I'll also mention about the trash. Somebody lets me know where it's at. We'll come pick it up. I volunteer that right now, and I'll tell you,
it
will be homeless people come pick it up.
Okay. Thank you.
Okay?
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So, to answer your question, who's there is exactly ‸ people that have had the background check, they do drug tests, they have curfews, and they have to be working. You met them tonight.
Okay. That wasn't my question, but that's good. You've answered that. What is wrong with, and I'll ask, I will ask this question, what did you spend $450,000 on?
We lost $450,000. Often what happens is when you ‸ apply for grants, what happens often is they have a time frame that certain things have to take place for the grant to go into effect. Because of the fact it took such a
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‸ That's not an unusual thing, though. Any nonprofit will tell you. That's a very, ‸ much like government contracts, they have a time limit where things have to begin and stop, and it's the same thing. They're usually annual,
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So, yeah.
So,
okay. Well, like I say, my issue is that when we originally talked about this, it was not going to be, you were not going to have people living on the facility. But moving on from that.
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that.
The fact that we have
200 people that signed the petition, the fact that we have this many people showing up just a week and a half from Christmas. I mean, I think that says something. I think it's probably in our
interests in your interests
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certainly in the community's interest, to try to work through some of this. Now, you said we've already missed the grant, right? So, why did this meeting have to be now? Why couldn't we take that time and the city facilitate some communication between your organization and the community?
In all due respect, we have followed every guideline we've been asked to ‸ do. The ‸ city has done every guideline. You personally have been invited to every one of these meetings and you have not appeared at one.
I spent two hours with you.
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first of all,
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show each other respect. We are, and
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respect, I'm sharing with you ‸ that I answered your question honestly and to suggest I didn't makes me uncomfortable. So, I did never told you that.
Okay. Well, I'm an elected representative.
Yes, ma'am.
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Yes,
ma'am.
And we deserve the opportunity to work those out. And so, so it's not a question. So, like everybody else, I'll say it, you're doing good work.
Yes.
But let's just take the time to be friends with the community. And if the city can help in facilitating that, it'll be worth it.
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I mean, I have concerns with bail bondsmen. We have two more bail bondsmen.
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Have you answered a question? ‸ I don't know. She saw my bail bondsmen stuff.
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Okay. Well, that's the end of my question, so we can move on
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I
guess my only concern really is if right now there's a few vacant homes that are within five miles of Matthews Hope, right? So right now you have seven to eight units. We don't have any.
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many units would it be?
‸ Total
of 15. So 15 total? Yes. Up to 15. ‸ What if Matthews Hope goes around the block and purchases seven homes, eight homes, right? It's still going to be an issue. It's still going to be a problem no matter if it's in the area by forest or if it's in the area by 524. If it's in the area next to my home, it's still going to be a problem. So we sit and say that we want to have a solution for our problem.
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it's too close to my home. So ‸ I'm not, and that's no disrespect to anyone. I'm just, I listen to a lot. And I observe a lot. And I've heard a lot today. People have some great arguments about whatever, ‸ how they feel. I have no objects to anyone's opinions. But Matthews Hope is here now. So him having a transitional home for a certain group of families is still going to be the same issue regardless if he has the transitional home there or not.
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have it at all? He's still going to have 300 plus people coming to eat, coming to get resources, coming to get clothing, coming to get shoes, haircuts, their hair done,
stay care.
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What's the difference? That's my question to anyone on the dais or possibly Mr.
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The difference would be that roughly 20 people that were slipping on the streets won't be sleeping on the streets. That's the only difference. Everything else stays the same. It is true that we bus people in.
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we are not an Uber service.
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‸ Statistically, it's been shown in research that 85% of the people we serve have a direct tie to this community. So even if
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they will be back in Rockledge. That is their home. If somebody comes from another area, 85% of the time there's a tie so they come right back to what they know to be home.
you know
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again, ‸ Mr. Goins, there won't be a difference. We're going to continue to do. The only difference is going to be is we're going to expand our ability to do mental health and medical. We had another RN come on today. ‸ We're expanding things like that. ‸ We have a dentist we're now working with. One of our gentlemen has worked to get his ‸ new teeth put in starting tomorrow ‸ morning. These folks that are around here,
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mean, they're working. They're working. You know, I see so many. I see even some of the folks that are in here tonight that walk their dogs on our property. They have since before we were there and they have why we stay here. All I ask is, can you clean up the poop?
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mean, outside of that, they're welcome to do. ‸ There's nothing to fear on our property. Absolutely nothing to fear on our property. And I do understand there's some few bad eggs out there. I really do. ‸ Homelessness is a direct reflection of our society.
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or not. If they're an arsonist, they were going to be an arsonist whether they're homeless or not. The one thing that we don't, again, often address, and the doctor addressed it some, is mental illness. And again, those people typically do not stay with us. ‸ They just, they don't have the capacity and the wherewithal to be able to do what we need them to do.
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I've been homeless and I can tell you I don't know anybody who's chosen, but I've known people who chose to remain homeless. And typically because it's very hard to get out of homelessness, very hard. But when you're mentally ill, it takes it to a whole other level because there's just simply no support system, ‸ not just here, there's no support system, period. We go through the same thing in Orange County.
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We shove bobs and bobs of taxpayer monies to kind of, to reevaluate these people every few weeks to be told they're schizophrenic again, to release them with no care, no follow-up medications, no nothing, and do it all over again. And this is how we have to spend our taxpayer dollars. Nothing's going to change.
Okay. Yes, sir.
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No,
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off-site. If you were buying properties that already existed, I mean, you wouldn't, this is a zoning change. That's why we're here. ‸ That's why this is going on.
So, I hear you say that.
But
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I also hear the element of crime conversation, right? And I'm hearing the element of someone
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on my door. Someone cut my screen door. So it's not just the zoning situation we're talking about.
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that we're hearing.
The drivers or the fears are in, you know, those complaints that we've heard. But we are designed, we are voting on a zoning issue that expands, you know, that operation. So, okay.
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Just to piggyback on the conversation of rezoning, we rezone, ‸ we rezone properties all the time to accommodate more ‸ residents in certain areas. You know, my thing is, if not here, if not having this project go forth where it is, Matthew's Hope, where? You know, because I think we all share this issue. You look at District 2, my district.
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We deal with problems there all the time. We adapt. You know, I'm not saying that we want to have our residents deal with crime and all these issues, but this is a shared problem. And the homeless population isn't just popping up in this Matthew's Hope area.
We
just had a lady come here last week talk about in my district someone
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dealing with the homeless population booming in your district. And ‸ this homeless population in District 4, District 3 as well. I'm on 520, so I get it all the time.
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It's everywhere. But what do we do? Just turn a blind eye to it and let the problem progress, become a bigger problem? We have to deal with it. The more we wait on this issue, the more crime you will see, the more, you know, it's not being dealt with. These people aren't being treated. Like I said, you have the bad actors that I'm sure that's not Matthew's Hope's clients because obviously they won't comply with what their rules are in place. I've been there. I've seen the people that they serve. And, you know, ‸ I don't see guys
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going into Matthew's Hope that will come out ‸ and, you know, use the restroom in your bathroom, in your backyard.
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like that. And it wasn't at Matthew's Hope.
So
I just, I asked the council that we thank long and hard ‸ on addressing this issue and not running from this issue. And not saying that we leave our residents out to dry. We come together and we continue to support their concerns as well. And I think Matthew's Hope is willing to come to the table and address those issues. But as far as keep prolonging this problem, it's not going to help. Okay. Ms. Hannah,
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there was something. Just one simple response on the timing of the application just to clarify. On July 25th, this body approved the future land use change. And we submitted our application around Labor Day to the city for this rezoning. And it took us some time to do survey work and get our application together.
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Ms. Neuterman, just to make sure we were aligned. And we did amend our application in that period. And so this is a pure coincidence. We really would have liked to be on the agenda in September. So just to share that.
Thank you very much. Okay. All cards have been submitted. Chair, I'd like to close this portion to the public. You may have a seat, Mr.
blue sir
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And return it to council. What are the wishes of council?
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And I'll second it for discussion.
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You good. You good, man. I like that energy.
Appreciate you.
Okay. All right. Mrs. Chabot, we have that. Madam Clerk, we have the motion. Okay. Thank you. All right.
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have, I think, about three questions and then four considerations for council as we move through that. So one, there was a question from one of our speakers related to prohibitive use for institution. So, and I think, you know, in our code as written, it talks about halfway house.
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Legal counsel can help us out.
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um I'll check the code. I'm not
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question revolved around the institutional zoning. Correct. um Which, if I understood the applicants team, that there is no housing occurring presently. So as a result of going to the ru 215 it would be classified as just multifamily housing. Right.
In that area. And my understanding from the zoning is ‸ even under institutional use, there's structures are subordinate to the the idea of it. Meaning, you there's actually some flexibility already in the zoning. ‸ not suggesting that it could be multifamily, but I'm saying that there's flexibility to the structure as written as institutional.
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that. so
primary use and then you have some subordinate
accessory uses
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That could occur, right?
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uh and and it was relative to, you know, and and some comments uh or some concerns from citizens where, you know, ‸ spot zoning even legal? uh ‸ So, and to to give deference, just to say, hey, look, you know, is that something that we can do?
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been a long time, uh that they hadn't seen it frequently. uh
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don't think that our staff would bring us anything that would, on its face, be inherently illegal to do. uh
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uh But equally, when we look at, at best case scenario as a layman, I try to ‸ look at, you know, appellate uh kind of reasoning on spot. So when it goes wrong after you apply and somebody sues you, but you know, what's the what what are the appeals going to say about zoning criteria when it comes to spot zoning? So there there were a couple kind of general criteria that I was able to find. So, and and uh for our legal counsel, I don't know if you want to clean us up on that, if if not. I
think, um
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There's criteria in the code. In fact, one of the criteria kind of hints about the spot zoning. It, one of the factors for consideration is whether or not it creates an isolated zoning district, okay which I think is another way of saying does it create a spot zone. And in this particular case, the property has a future land use designation of um of um high density ‸ residential. um
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being proposed would create this small island, um would do um injustice to the city's master plan in the particular area, and they look at around the the zoning in the surrounding area. So the master plan is the city's comprehensive plan. It has a high density
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in in the area. So this is not what you would be considered an isolated district. In fact, that's the staff finding under the staff report that this doesn't create an isolated district. So um to your point, i am we're not seeing it as a as a unlawful spot zoning
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if there's four factors, Council. One, uh you know, compatibility with the surrounding area. And I think that there is concern from constituents who have been in the area for a long time. But i from my understanding, you know,
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very long time. I think that the while the service looks different, I think that by intent, it's doing the same, doing a very similar work, uh probably with, you know, something along those lines. And specifically from the historical component to the building, I i think that the benefit to the idea of this zoning with, you
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could knock down the building. That would be another option
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historical, what I would say is a fixture to our community and and do something different with it. And that to me would be, if if we're if we're trying to service people, I would hate to lose something that that would that that would be the case. I think that that is a a big piece of who we are
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from a compatibility standpoint. We're not talking about coming down and and doing something huge. uh And in fact, we're I think we're talking about preserving while it looks a little different on the inside. uh So that's that's a zoning component. That was one. uh this this The second is that there's from a homelessness plan uh and council, thank you, because this is outside the scope of, I think, the issue specific to zoning. And so, chair, whether we would like to address this now or maybe at a different time, i I'd welcome to address it right now. But I would defer to you on uh what how we'd like to do that.
I would like to get input from our city manager, too, as well, and from our attorney. um
And there's a question that I
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make i say. okay We can come back and address ‸ Thank you. So, ultimately, before
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there there was a homelessness throughout transitional models. And i how much I would love uh to see a man in a big cowboy hat right now, a big black cowboy hat, uh
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But, man, would it be uh wonderful to have, you know,
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um
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about ‸ very similar issue related to Indian River City, which is a historical community. There's a density of social services within that uh community. And how what is that balance? in many it is almost an identical conversation. it is And ‸ everybody's point is valid. there's Nobody should shake their head at the other person ‸ say, what are you doing? You know, everybody's trying to do right for the single community that's there, no matter what side you're on. I don't think it's appropriate
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somebody, you know, cutting through your house and cutting through your property, that's not right. Being worried about walking down the street to the library, that's not good. Equally, having people who need assistance and they can't find assistance and when you go to help somebody. And there is nobody who's going to say, yep, I'll do it. That's not right either as a community. So, and I believe in that. So, uh from a homelessness plan, my I would welcome as a council and as a city to bring back uh uh really a city-led discussion ‸ on where are we at
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county. We've got more organizations, right? Our good friends over at Family Promise are bringing it more local. But what I found is in that discussion, it is not the single agency's responsibility to police the neighborhood. That's that's not their job. that That's not. As a city government, we can help add capacity to organizing those resources to focus on our citizens protections and meeting their needs and their rights. So if you're walking down and
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and praying the whole time,
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but that needs more than a single person. That needs more than one
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single well good resident of the community going out there with a bucket they need more help. So that would be my suggestion would be to bring back a formal meeting. My suggestion would be that we do it outside of City Council and we do it at the library, smack dab, in the middle of of the community. And
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organization, I think from a capacity, we give it one more shot, that's a good thing. No matter how this goes, I think that that needs to be done. So, yes, I think we need to address that specific. uh And part of that homeless plan would be comprehensive because every one of us has said the impact that poverty and or homelessness has within our districts. My personal one, this is my first year here. uh I've made no bones about it, that a gentleman who was cutting through my yard, uh that almost ended very, very, very poorly. And that would have been a tragedy, but my five-year-old son means a lot to me. And when I see somebody
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and cutting through it, ‸ I see
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go in well. And that would be a tragedy if we set the conditions to allow an incident like that to happen as a community. That would be horrific across the board. And I see everybody shaking because we all know that that's true. And we can be a part of that. So to that, whether it was at the city hall for one component of it, but I also think that there's, a at a minimum, i I feel as a city, we could have a meeting at the at the the library. And it's not to address Matthew's hope.
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to address comprehensively how are we specific in this portion of our community dealing with this.
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council So three things. One, from a zoning. I feel comfortable in the spot zoning. uh And and looking at the criteria if it gets sued, you know will ‸ hold up in court? I mean, because nobody needs that. you know Citizens don't need it. The the
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And the people who who could get help don't need that. uh
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uh And specifically, I would hope to hold up
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the uh at the library. Thank you.
Yes, sir. To answer one of you a couple of your questions, uh
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under the leadership of
Amber Carroll and myself and several 501c3s to attend from Family Promise to the Methadone Clinic to uh Matthew's Hope to Pastor Jarvis Wash, um several other organizations um that will help the young lady that's been in front of us and work through housing authority as well so that we all could be on the same sheet of music. The missing formula right now is just
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as a community, so that we can address the concerns because
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We have social workers riding with our police officers right now, currently right now. um We're being proactive, not reactive. so But my thing is to make an informed decision. And people have to be educated. So my thing is we are going to address that so that the police officers can address an issue of someone just freshly coming ‸ from Camp Road or who are homeless and they want assistance and the need the help that the services be, resources be provided for them. Okay. So that is coming, sir. We're just waiting to get the final piece of the puzzle. um You have your light on. oh sorry. You're
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question.
Yes, i've had my light on because I didn't know if we needed a motion for that to happen, um to have that meeting. Certainly am in support of communication with this community. Do you need a motion or
this is just ‸ I'm dealing with this issue right here, right now for number two, ma'am. Let's stick to the current resources here and concerns here. So
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plus or minus point zero one point zero zero two acre portion of the property located at 825. We have a motion on the floor uh by Deputy Mayor and I second it. Now I'm going to call the question. All in favor by saying aye. Aye. aye any nays. Nay. okay Let the record reflect. We have four yes one nay Councilwoman costs. All right. um Let me ask Council. Would you like to take a a five minute recess so we can finish with three, four, five, six, seven and eight. Okay. Chair entertains motion to take a five minute recess please. Got a second on the floor by Councilman
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‸ Please let the record reflect. We're returning from recess,
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Lakes at Cocoa Grove, LLC, to create a community development district pursuant to Chapter 190, Florida's staff, and adopt a second and
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Grove Community Development District 23. This is on the north side.
Esquire Garganese,
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approximately 246.43 acres per pursuant to Chapter 190, Florida statutes, naming the district, describing the external boundaries of the district, describing the functions and powers of the district, designating five persons to serve as the initial members of the district's board of supervisors, providing for severability, providing for conflict, providing for an effective date. This is second and final reading of this ordinance, also a public hearing item. The only additional attachment to the agenda, which ‸ was after publication, is the affidavit of publication of the four required advertisements before the council took final action on this ordinance. All the here pre-hearing ‸ testimony ‸ is attached. This ordinance is ready for your final consideration. I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have at this stage.
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public. I have Ms. Nanette Scott. And also James Adams. James Adams and the artists, come on to the podium, please, ma'am.
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I'm new to the area, okay? Okay. This is the first time I've ever been to this colorful meeting. It's been, uh, but I just wonder, I don't understand why there's so many houses and why it has to be 360 homes in such a small area.
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in our area in Canaveral Groves, everything's, you know, one acre. I came from Davenport area over by Champions Gate. The traffic was horrendous.
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‸ Thank you, ma'am. Yeah.
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All
right. Sorry. Um, so I guess what I, I came to the meeting to understand, you know, how things could, it could even change at this point or no, it's, it's, it's impossible to try to go with less than 360 houses. I mean, it's just, you're packed in there like sardines. I mean, it's just, it's very, um, I would say the densities is high. It's congested. The traffic already is really bad. And you're going to add that many houses on the north side. And then you've got the south side. I'm trying to
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And this is just going to cause a lot more congestion. Congestion. I say go for bigger lots, bigger houses, charge more, and get, get the same, you know, bang for the city's buck. If that's what you're trying to do. So that's, that's really all I have to say. And I thought I'd learn more, but I learned, I did learn.
Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Mr. James Adams, sir.
Yes, sir. How are you doing tonight?
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May we get a new clock, please, ma'am? Yes, ma'am. Thank you kindly.
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I lived in the city of Cocoa for 24 years before
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I've lived out there 38 years. This thing moves. You're going to have a great impact on the roads out there by this subdivision. The density is so high per acre compared to what our density is, you're going to ruin the values of our properties. But I guess y'all don't care about that. Our values don't mean nothing. Why would you allow that density? It makes no sense. Also, there's a lot of
areas within
the city that you can annex and do some good that are in the county. You're going way out of the city, way out of the boundaries of the city and annexing things that makes no sense.
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letting them have a borrow pit,
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was to do this and also have a subdivision, which isn't really legal by the city laws to have a borrow pit, was it? But you all allowed it with the zoning. Also, when you look at the improvements that the city has done on Grissom Boulevard is nothing. I mean, you go there and you're putting all those buildings in there and stuff, you allow Amazon to come in, but you didn't even
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it. Why wouldn't you
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that at least to Amazon to do away with some of the traffic problems?
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because you had 200 people petition that other thing, and you all just did whatever you wanted. So it's kind of sad reflection on this city. So I know me speaking here
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because if 200 people's petition had no bearing on any of y'all's decision, that's wrong. And I'd be out for a recall vote for every one of y'all.
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that only applies to the subject property of the 246 acres. A CDD is ‸ a local unit of special purpose government. The purpose is the developer is seeking the CDD pursuant to an agreement that the city entered into back in 2004 regarding this property to fund infrastructure improvements related to the future development of this property. So this ‸ whole development process really started in 2004 when the council approved a
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challenged. And that challenge failed. The city prevailed
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‸ and entered into a stipulated settlement agreement, not only with the property owners, but with Brevard County regarding the development of this property. So for all intents and purposes other than the specifics on the development itself, this development has been agreed to and approved by the city and the property owner for many, many years. So now they're getting to the point where they're ready to proceed with final development permits. and this CDD is just one aspect of their plans to develop by ‸ getting a CDD to help them fund and manage capital improvements for the long term. That's some of the background regarding this. So this council finds itself all these years later proceeding with the final implementation of a project that's been planned for almost 20 years.
And in regards to the statement on Grissom Road, is that a city road? ‸ Grissom
Road is not. ‸ And it's outside the city's, you know, control. It's not a city road. So you would probably
take that up with
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county commission, correct? As far as any upgrades to that road?
Well, yeah, ‸ it's a county road and the county has made, in front of Amazon, they've made some turn lane improvements there. So they have some improvements there. But ‸ again, ‸ the county determines capacity and impact ‸ and improvements on their roads there.
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Sir, Would you come to the podium state your name for us, please?
Thank you, ‸ Mayor. Council members, city manager, city attorney,
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895 Barton Boulevard
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I think Mr. Garganese provided some clarification. I am here tonight
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So if there are some specific questions related to the CDD, she is certainly available to answer those, ‸ Mayor, that you
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the council may have. But from a clarification standpoint,
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pointed it out. The current owner,
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by and through the partnership with Brightline, is living by a series of rules that were made long before
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ever became the owner. There were
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development agreements. There was the settlement agreement between the city and the county and a number of things ‸ that ultimately found their way into the settlement implementation agreement between this developer and the city. It laid out lot sizes and number of units and minimum home size, a number of things that they ultimately were forced to comply with. We also were required to do zoning, which was handled back in 2020 before this exact same body. Tonight, as clarified, we are here specifically for the second reading on the CDD and are willing to entertain any questions, Mayor, that you or the council may have relating to that issue. But I thought it was important to clarify specifically, one, why we were here. and we think Mr. Garganese provided very much clarity on the issue of the history relating to the specifics in terms of the development regulations that are associated with this property.
Okay.
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In regards to the CDD, for this project, this allows for this particular project to pretty much be self-funded, ‸ self-maintained ‸ within the developer and that wouldn't put ‸ any further burdens on the city and the taxpayers, ‸ Cocoa, correct?
I have an opinion, but I'm going to defer to Ms. Kovner, who is here, who specifically is handling this CDD implementation issue for the developer.
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Professional address, 517 East, College Avenue, Tallahassee, Florida. To answer the question regarding funding, there would be no burden on the city or on any residents living outside of the district. Although there haven't been any commitments made, if the developer decides to pursue the issuance of bonds, those would be repaid through assessments that would be levied on properties only within the district. So that's where that would fall. I'm happy to answer any additional questions that the council may have or provide any additional overview regarding community development districts
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chapter 190 if needed.
Do we have any additional questions for the young lady?
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Sir?
I got a question.
Yes, sir, sir. I'm going to be kind. Please come to the podium.
Yes, sir.
Thank you.
With everybody else that spoke,
the
representatives talked first, and now they talked after the people. I don't understand the procedure because it totally changed on this process here.
Okay. Here's the
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Everybody else was, they read
first. Mayor, this is not like ‸ the preceding hearing. That was more of a quasi-judicial matter. This is not. This is ‸ a legislative matter for the city council, and I just did a brief introduction, and as required by law, you opened it up to a public hearing, and the applicant developer didn't really need to speak unless the council had questions, and ‸ that's what happened. So it's a little bit different procedure
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the
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Okay. Thank you.
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I'm back again.
Yes,
ma'am. I live on [address]. How do we talk to the developer about reducing the number of homes? Is this already
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This is it? Or how do we downsize the number of houses?
Okay. Where do we
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would you answer that question, please? I think the city manager was.
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But if you go to the agenda, item, the city attorney has done a really good job in giving, the full history of the matter and a lot of it he verbalized.
I understand the history. I also understand.
I'm getting there. Okay. And so, they still have to go through. This is ‸ a site plan. I think it may be PUD. So that comes back through planning and zoning and to the council. Again, as ‸ both attorneys, ‸ all three attorneys have probably said, ‸ this has been in concept approved since 2000,
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And so, the concept included the 350 lots.
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And so, concept plan was approved, settlement implementation agreement to actually implement that concept plan. And so, at this point, I think the developer is locked into their 350. But again, all of that still has to come back
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and ultimately back to this council.
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I didn't know if
it
was a new bank. Okay.
So. But if you, if you, if you go online and read the item, that'll, that'll provide, I think, some more clarity in terms of the history. It even talks about.
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but it's 2024. Our traffic is horrible now. I mean, it's just, it's just, it doesn't make sense. It really just doesn't make sense. So, thank you.
Thank you. Um, we have a question. Councilman Beringer. Sir.
And, and, and ma'am to, you raised two questions.
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uh, or how many houses are, or how many houses are in there? Uh, and then also, I think there was another question is, is, or an assertion to the values of, of property surrounding, meaning that this comes in, that the one next door goes, uh, I can only lend experience. And I think that the, uh, the, the,
the
representatives of the project could speak to their choice of why they would choose to do that. But in my experience, as of over the past 10 years, at a minimum, uh,
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uh, most, uh, most neighborhood size developments, I've seen, try to kind of meet two criteria. ‸ You know, one, is they want to sell the houses, right? Like, they, they want to do that. Uh, and then two, is it something that, um, you know, can, can meet the community's need in some capacity? I mean, they, they got to do those two things.
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so as myself,
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Uh, I really like that. That's enjoyable. But my street, my property, goes right next to, uh, a development that has tons of houses in it, right? Something like that. So, what I can say from a housing, uh, price or concern, uh, just like, I think everybody else is in Brevard. I just share with you my personal experience. I don't know about everybody else, but it hasn't gone down. I
mean,
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the
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‸ the, the other is on the density. There are components to our, our plant in planning where, when you can have more people to a smaller space and better environmentally, it meets some goals and trying to do that. So when you have more homes in a given space, uh, you're, you're taking up less space, uh, ‸ you know, for more people.
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So I just shared that with you just for some background, uh, and what you're doing now and to your question of, okay, how do I do that? Or someone's
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thank you city manager for cleaning up kind of, and so on, so on. But each one of those is an opportunity for the public to speak on how they feel about whatever's being presented. Uh, so I'll just share, share that with you. Thank you, ma'am.
And I, I don't know if, if this, the applicant is here and so they can talk to the purpose of the CDD or the intent of the CDD.
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to address your concern about the traffic and what the purpose of the CDD
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their intentions in terms of the infrastructure that the CDD is, uh, ‸ is going to build and they may want to address that. But I think your concern is addressed through the development of this, uh, through the, uh, through the approval of this CDD.
Traffic? Tallahassee, come on up
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Thank you.
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So I'll just note that all, this isn't a zoning and planning and hearing hearing. That has already been set. This is solely a hearing to determine whether a community development district is the best mechanism for long-term governance and financing of this
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I'm happy to go through some of the advantages which
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the city. It is solely the assessments will be on the residents of the district and this will allow
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and for great improvements in the area. And it'll be funded and paid for solely by the assessments of those who are living within the district and not on anyone outside of that area.
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go into some other advantages that being a ‸ CDD offers, which are the public disclosures, the transparency, all ‸ sunshine law, public records. And before buying into before you sign your purchase and sale agreement and move into the district, there are many disclosures that you will be aware of. There's a notice of establishment that will be filed. There is a disclosure of public financing, notice of assessments, notice of special assessments, public facilities reports. So there's a lot of transparency that's provided for the mechanism of a community development district. okay
We have a
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Go ahead, sir.
I just want to ask this question for clarity for those who may be listening and and don't really understand the verbiage.
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because we have uh member districts, district three, and I don't think you mean that burden would be on the residents of all of district three.
Yes. Thank you for that clarification question. I apologize for shortening community development
districts
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to district. I'll refer to it as a CDD moving forward. So previously when I stated that that would be on the district, I had meant it would be on the CDD, the community development district, not on the districts that the
councilman
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represent. Thank
you.
yes okay
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Just to address the density issue, I know it's not related to the CDD, but you know when the city originally approved the proceeding development agreement, the density, maximum density was much, much, much higher. And then we ended up in the lawsuit with the county and then we entered into the settlement agreement.
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for this particular property is 500 dwelling units. And the city and the developer have further limited that to a maximum of 350. so the density has been ratcheted down significantly than what was otherwise agreed to
Okay, thank you very much for that tutorial class
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Esquire
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Do we have any questions for the young lady? Any other cards? Seeing none, Chair would like to close this portion to the public and return to
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council. Chair would like to make a motion to approve staff recommendation under item number 27-2023,
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the floor by the chair
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gonna ‸ call the question all in favor
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have it unanimously
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approve granting easement to pivotal utility holdings Inc aka thank you sir, Florida City gas
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Park for the transportation of a gas line through that pipeline
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Tammy okay, um, let me let me get this. Thank you very much for the card, sir Mrs.
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ma'am
Yes, mr. Mayor. Thank you As you noted, this is a public hearing to prove the granting of the easements to pivotal holdings For the purposes of constructing of operating and maintaining the pipeline at Lee winter Park for the transportation of gas to the pipeline
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4 section 2 of
the
City Council shall be required to authorize all uses of land and development projects on any and all lands owned leased or controlled by the city Within and outside the boundaries
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desire to construct and operate and maintain a pipeline through Lee winter park for the purposes of transporting natural gas
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As part of this request the easement agreement is required to grant an easement for their construction installation of that pipeline So staff has been working with Florida City gas for quite some time to to work on the impact of the future construction
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They'll be required to carry the necessary insurance required to assume the liability for all costs associated with the improvements The intent is when we conduct the uh construction of the Lee winter Park parking that Florida City gas will be doing their work simultaneously
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at different times So we're going to coordinate between the contractors that will eventually be part of the float the Lee winter Park project with the Florida City gas uh contractors to to construct this. Uh, we worked with them on selecting the best location for the easement to have the the least amount of impact on the parking area and on the park itself
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amenities of the boating amenities and everything else and still maintain this easement
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part of the parking lot and exit out into the Indian River Lagoon towards Merritt Island Uh, they will have to repair all damage that the city property and restore it The initial construction will be coordinated with the city manager to uh, for the planned Lee winter Park improvements The
easements
and there is a
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as part of the agreement with the city
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Uh, the planning and zoning board has made a unanimous recommendation to grant this easement at their june 7th meeting Uh, after that it went to brevard county For their that work bird brevard county board of work county commissioners to
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commission meeting
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now requesting approval of this easement to move forward with our project
‸ Do we have any questions for staff? So I can turn it over to the public see if there's any questions Uh, councilwoman calls
Yeah,
I
was looking so I'm looking at the um, the graphic
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a map of the whole pipeline? I mean I got this
brochure in the mail a little bit concerned you know I'm supposed
to
look in
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the agenda
item the the pink line is the existing gas line and the yellow line that is Um moving east from where the boat ramp is going out towards the indian river lagoon is the proposed gas main It will go right through the parking area Um noting that we are leaving certain areas undisturbed for city use ‸ for future city use And for amenities and for services that could potentially be Uh added to lee winter park in the future So
they just they bore underneath the lagoon?
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I don't have an answer as to how they are
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There's a pipeline that will be transported across the indian river lagoon I don't know how many feet below or if it is actually under the the ground itself
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city
Okay, but in lee winter it's underground. It
is underground. Yes, and
they're boring. I assume Uh,
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Yeah, so I guess that's why I received the brochure about the dangers Um, just what to look for fire and that sort of thing I'm not aware of the brochure that you
received
so
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What are the signs of a natural gas pipeline release? The
smell of
my gas
I
assume it was sent to everybody Is from the florida city gas
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So we have miles of pipeline in the city of florida city gas pipeline Uh, ‸ where florida city gas maintains those those easements Uh throughout the entire city Uh,
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Okay. I just realized I got it.
It was addressed to the council person
All
right
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Just one quick question.
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is ‸ I think there's a line currently and that this is um,
just kind of a
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And in a bigger probably like a another line a new line, but there is an existing line to my knowledge
Okay, I have family
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They have gas. Okay
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Okay, this
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mentioned in the report the existing line that's represented by the pink, right?
That is correct, sir. Yeah
So there's there's an existing line just before you leave the ‸ item there the intention and and and we appreciate Florida City Gas Uh agreeing
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Um, and we're gonna we're gonna take that and and um Um, do the on street parking i'll call it the village parking there and so we believe out of that we can get another 58 to
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So so we'll set that item up, um, for a future agenda
Thank
you very much. Mr. City manager. Do we have any other additional questions for mrs.
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the public. Please come forward and state your name and your address You have 180 seconds to elaborate on this particular item going once Going twice
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the public and return of the council chair like to make a motion to approve the recommendation stated by staff
Second we
got a motion on the floor by the
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and then nays I have it unanimously Okay, moving on to item number six dash five Pass on first reading approval
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City of Cocoa Plan Unit Development
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a large-scale site plan and
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preliminary subdivision consistent with Chapter 18 subdivisions, And appendix a zoning of the city code to and
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Okay,
first first
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council
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Amending the official zoning map designation of one parcel of real property totaling two hundred and twelve point one zero acres more or less and generally located near the southeast corner
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particularly depicted and legally Described on exhibit a attached here to from Brevard County general use GU to city of Cocoa plan unit development PUD Providing for the repeal of prior inconsistent ordinances and resolution severability and an effective date Staff has got a present long presentation the applicant is here There's a lot of detail with respect to this stage of the proposed project this project is generally the sister property Subject to the the same Settlement agreement and a
proceeding
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development agreement ‸ that was entered into many years Ago
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Different different proposed project. So at this point mayor I'd Turn it back over to you and the staff has a detailed presentation
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Thank you very much mayor and council members for the
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Um here in my capacity as a contract planner for the city of Cocoa I performed the review on this case and I'll be presenting the findings Uh,
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Uh run through the location talk a little bit about the existing conditions on the site Tell you about the request run through the history as legal counsels indicated There's a pretty long history on the property run through our findings and then finally I'll wrap up with a recommendation So of course this one's south of State Road 528 in east of 95 and as as mentioned just over 212 acres It's got a future land use map designation of very low density residential and conservation which allows for consideration of up to 4 dwelling units per acre Currently
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Brevard County general use zoning district
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Surrounding the subject property you have I 95 immediately to the west you have some stormwater ponds in the Brightline track immediately to the north Which kind of separates the property from 528 and then you have some larger lot residential within Brevard County on the south and on the east of the property So their request is to rezone from that historic Brevard County general use of course ‸ not in Brevard County anymore under their jurisdiction and
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contemplated by prior agreement Uh,
they're
also requesting a large-scale site plan in a preliminary subdivision. Uh, you can see the layout that's proposed on the screen The development program includes 385 single family detached dwelling units and
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recreational amenity Uh to include a pool a dog park and a portion of the properties trail system
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the remainder of the trail system So just running through the history of the project Um, I think it was mentioned before on the property to the north.
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There were a couple of preceding development agreements which were approved in 2005 and 2006 that outlined some of the initial terms for development of the property And then 2008 The litigation between the city and the county was settled Uh with a stipulated settlement agreement which contains some specific provisions related to density Offering unit count access and some traffic calming requirements And then most recently in 2022 Uh the city entered into a stipulated settlement implementation agreement The deal detailed more specific requirements for the development of the property Uh, so the 2005 and 2006 agreements Um, this was the Uh,
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The city agreed to provide certain public services Uh to facilitate the development of the property Uh and at that time it was contemplated that it was either going to be R1 RU17 or PUD zoning
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Uh they also were required to go Uh either low or medium density residential
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Um the stipulated settlement agreement further refined and included actually a concept plan which you can see here on the screen Uh stated that the
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You can see the minimum home size was incorporated into that agreement 1500 square feet Uh
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along James Road And I'll just note that a portion of the property was conveyed Uh for the ponds for Brightline at some port at some point so you can see here Uh it was contemplated 600 dwelling units but then when the Settlement implementation agreement came through in 2022 Um you can see those ponds are now on the north side of the property Uh in that development program got reduced to 418 total units Um there was a number of requirements on the on the developer to provide amenities for the site to include a
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5.8 acre park a dog park playground clubhouse And there's some very specific um requirements for those amenities that were included in the agreement
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And we note that the layout is consistent with the layout previously approved by the city Back in 2022 under that settlement implementation agreement You can see the uh the agreement layout on the top of the screen and then what's being proposed here today The unit counts actually less than what was approved in the original settlement agreement
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And it's less than the settlement implementation agreement which was at 418 Uh
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agreements It's just a couple ‸ quick images of that amenity package So there's a clubhouse in pool which you can see on your top right Clubhouse design is kind of top left there in the center Um they're required to do a dog park trail network Stone brick paver or stamp concrete driveways Underground utilities and they're required to have energy efficient materials
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get to in a moment So just stepping through the findings I won't read these word for word I know it's been a late night Um but finding number one is just the degree of departure from the PUD and the surrounding areas And we just note that it's consistent with a future land use map It's less than the proposed density in the previous agreements So we made a an affirmative finding for number one Uh ‸ additionally they have placed their stormwater ponds on the south And on the east side of the site and preserve some of the wetlands on the east side Uh
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and east of the property in the county Um again finding number two addresses compatibility and there are a number of things in those agreements that speak to this one the cap on units the minimum home ‸ sizes Uh the location of those open spaces that I just mentioned
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Um there was originally a proposed access point on Friday road which is kind of on the north east corner of the site
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James road And I'll just note I mean there's some confusion at PNZ the access all comes from the southern portion of the site through what's known as the James road extension
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side of the property Uh finding number three uh deals with erosion and we'll just note that all of these plans have been signed by professional engineers Uh finding number four uh is a public facilities Um requirement and you'll note in the staff report there's a full concurrency analysis Uh
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to serve the project There's capacity available for water and wastewater Uh the drainage is going to be handled consistent with the city standards in the water management district's requirements Uh the recreational amenities are exceed what's in the the city's level of service standard requirements And there's transportation capacity available Uh finding number five uh is open space maintenance And we just noted that that'll all be maintained either by a cdd Uh as the properties of the north would be or by the hoa as a pool Uh finding number six uh is talking about uh
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The main amenities in the first phase so you're not going to have uh development Uh that's you know occurred and permitted without the access to the amenity site Uh we do have a condition of approval that requires that completion of the amenity before the 150th building permit each phase Uh finding seven uh is the adequacy of primary streets and thoroughfares Uh there is an analysis in the staff report that says there is capacity available Uh
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exempt from concurrency and
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And then as to James road that's going to be owned and operated and maintained by brevard county and the applicants required to improve ‸ that at their expense Um finding eight uh there is capacity available for water and sewer
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and this one's a little bit different because the agreement really specifies the requirement to do a PUD Uh so that's what they've done here um and they're also preserving
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They've got amenities in excess of code and of course it'll uh provide an increase in uh tax revenue for the city Uh finding number 10 um is conformance with previously adopted plans And so we've noted that it's as conditioned it's condition consistent with the comprehensive plan Uh it's consistent with all those prior development agreements and it's consistent with the PUD code Uh and ‸ finally finding number 11 is compatibility of the common open space Uh and you know I think they went you know into detail about this trail system amenities dog park They've got uh multiple amenities all required by those private prior agreements and they're complying with all that So just quickly stepping through the recommendation staff is recommending approval
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presented Uh second is the timing of the amenities
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in place to serve the residents in the community Uh three there were a couple of outstanding comments Provided to the applicant under appendix a and b Uh that they need to submit revised plans to clean up Uh
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and it's not an open air structure Uh five is the requirement to construct the driveways of stone or brick pavers or stamp stained concrete And that's directly from the previous agreement Uh six is the requirement to put your utilities underground also from a prior agreement
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reclaimed water Uh also per agreement eight Uh is the requirement for energy efficient uh lighting systems and whatnot and that's part of the previous agreement nine
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install traffic calming devices they need to coordinate directly with brevard county and the surrounding property owners Um on and then those traffic calming devices would be along james road and that's all also consistent with the prior agreement that was approved by this by the city Uh 10 is the minimum living area 11 is an architectural redundancy condition, which trying to you know allow for ‸ diversity of elevations to be constructed, so not every house in the community looks the same. Uh
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preservation and protection requirements
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to final plat approval uh application Uh 14 is if they do move forward with the community development district as the north uh just did uh they just need to provide notice of ownership and maintenance obligations to the city
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they're required to produce um approvals from the water management district uh regarding their wet wind mitigation plan so with that um that will conclude my presentation here for any questions thank you
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like to close this portion of counseling and return it to the floor for public, excuse me, public comment. um I do have the applicant here. Is the applicant here? tom tom sullivan
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Would you come forward, please? And after Mr. Sullivan, excuse me will be Heather Isaac.
uh Good evening, Mayor, council members. uh I'm Tom Sullivan with the Gray Robinson Law Firm, [address], in Orlando. um ‸ here on behalf of Taylor Morrison Homes on this request. uh First, appreciate everyone's time tonight. uh Want to compliment staff on their detailed presentation. uh We agree with the points made uh in that presentation as well as the uh findings, the 11 findings. And I think it was the 15 conditions of approval. So we're in alignment with your staff and all that. I just wanted to say that and appreciate their professional recommendation for approval. uh
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regarding the the history and on the prior agreements, settlement agreements and so forth. um And also as outlined in the in the staff's presentation, but uh there are some important provisions in those agreements. And
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closely with your staff, um
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adhering to those requirements. I think that's important to point out. um And uh with that said, Mayor, I i'd
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bit late, but we'll put a little bit of color on what you've already seen. So with that said, Heather, would you like to go through there? There we go.
Thank you. Heather Isaacs. uh I'm the vice president of land development for Taylor Morrison. Thank you so much. And I'll be very brief about this. uh
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um a Couple of photographs. These are houses that we've constructed. The top house is actually built in um Volusia County.
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if you'd like. um The bottom picture is just an interior. These are just a couple of the points I want to hit tonight. um You've already seen the layout. um As was mentioned, there's 385 units.
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be constructed in in two phases. um The lot count was reduced first from 600 and then again from 415 to what it is now, which is 385 of the 212 acres on site we are preserving 34.92 acres of wetlands and upland buffers and that'll be preserved in a conservation easement granted to the city. The city will not be responsible for um any costs associated with that easement um or monitoring or maintenance of the wetlands.
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and that
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outside of the sidewalks along along the streets we have two lot sizes that are 50 feet wide and 60
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is where the amenity the main amenity site is with the clubhouse, uh the swimming pool. There's an open play field with sports court nets, um and then also uh the dog park that was mentioned in the upper right hand corner, closest to
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a park that is about
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acres. It's going to include a nature play space, which I'll get into in just a minute. And we're going to do our best to preserve as many of the trees in that existing oak canopy as we can to provide shade for the Totlock playground area. This is the playground I just mentioned. This is in that upper right hand
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is we have an exclusive partnership with the National Wildlife Federation. A couple of initiatives with that is one is a nature play space, and that is something different than your typical blue and green plastic playground that you might find. It actually is set up to use a lot of recycled materials and also create opportunities for exploratory play for for kids outside of just a typical slide and swing set.
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This is the main amenity site. As you can see, we've got a swimming pool, an air air conditioned clubhouse, and then
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and then an open play field. We'll also have a mail kiosk at this site, as well as parking for the residents. In the upper right hand corner, this is an example of an amenity that we have constructed in the past. This is an open air pavilion, so it is not air conditioned clubhouse space, but that just gives you a sense of the quality of development that we do. In the bottom, you can see just a proposed black and white elevation. We've not built this clubhouse before, so
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so that we could provide this presentation. The streetscape, we will have one canopy tree every 50 feet along the internal streets. We'll have five foot sidewalks on both sides of the street. As Eric mentioned,
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to avoid the same house being built either adjacent to diagonal or across the street. And then one of the questions that came up in planning and zoning was whether or not we were using Florida native materials. And 98 of our trees that we're installing are going to be Florida native trees.
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that will be offered. As you can see with each, um this is one model of a house. So with this one model, you have three different architectural styles and four elevations with each. So that just gives you a sense of the offering that we're going to have in this community. um And uh
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there. Quickly
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done and there is an existing capacity available. Eric already mentioned some ‸ of the improvements that are going to be done. um Just as a note, the impact fees that will be generated from this community is going to be 1.6 million and
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Road. And we will be holding a community meeting in January to present the speed uh speed calming study and resolution to that with the community. In terms of a drainage analysis, there were some questions
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planning board about drainage. I've got our engineer here to answer specific questions. um This site does discharge into closed wetlands on site. And then there's the discharge to three tailwater nodes. Some of this is very, very technical. um We are planning on um obviously building stormwater ponds on site. that'll help the existing drainage in the area. And then portions of the property are within the flood zone. However, through development, we'll be raising that out of the flood zone and going through the proper process with
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Brevard County, and fdo p FDEP. In terms of the school analysis, um we received a finding of available capacity from Karen Black. She's the manager of facilities planning and intergovernmental coordination with Brevard County. And this capacity is reserved for two years.
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and the projected available capacity is the analysis that she did that showed that there's capacity available in each of the schools. And with that, I am available to answer any questions. I've got about three minutes left. And then I'd ask to reserve some time and address any questions from the audience.
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Seeing none, do we have any questions for staff?
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Okay, saying none, David Stokes.
I'm just here, there's questions on the end here.
Okay. All right. Okay, proceeding on. Next on the list will be Karina Murphy. Please come forward.
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Hello, good evening. I'm Karina Murphy.
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to tell you that I bought into this property years ago for my dream, because it's a rural area, for a barn.
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have to, which is ridiculous for all those homes. But I did it. Now, I moved there because it's rural, so I could ride my horses. How am I going to safely ride my horses with people who have no idea about living in a rural community being right there and driving, blowing through our community? I'm already, because of the, what is it, because of the Flying J? I've already been run off the road on horseback by 18 wheelers. I moved
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This ‸ cookie cutter community, which is exactly what it is, having six or
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homes is not different. Okay? ‸ That provides no, that's cookie cutter. That's the same 14 things over and over and over.
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that live out there in the rural area? The horses, the chickens, the goats, the emus?
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Because we can right now. ‸ We can't, we have, what is it, 385 homes? Two to three cars per home? I implore you to find another way, a better way, or let's fix those roads. Let's make it so that it's going to hold the capacity, one that we currently have and one that you're projecting to have. Because you're not doing that. Thank you.
Thank you, Mrs. Murphy. Next will be Todd Bonnet.
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Okay. Jessica, is she still here?
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No? Okay. Thank you, ma'am.
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Is that an A-N or O-N, ma'am?
A-N. Hoisington.
Thank you, Mrs. Hoisington. Thank you.
It's a mouthful, I know.
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the other side of the ditch from where you guys proposed to do this.
Whatever. Whatever.
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of concerns. One being the roads
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the traffic.
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There's no place to take the roads to widen them.
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as do a lot ‸ of other people around. A lot of people have their children on those school buses. People drive really stupid, not only on James Road, but Cox and Friday. Yes,
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There's no way to avoid it. If somebody drove stupid and bus driver had to swerve to miss these guys, my grandkids would end up down in the ditch.
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That's not acceptable to me. I would be owning whoever caused that accident and whoever okayed it for all this property to be happening this way. The flooding is horrendous in some of the areas during storms. We have, I don't know if y'all know this, but we have fire hydrants that are completely underwater sometimes during some of the flooding. How can we access those?
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Where there's people, there's crime. There's a whole lot more crime. Where there's people, there's also fires. There's one ingress, one ‸ egress to this property. I know all of you have heard of Paradise in California. Same type of thing. One ingress, one egress. They had people panic when that town burned.
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Not only were they completely lost because they were killed and burned and turned to ashes, it rained two weeks later and the families could not even recover their family members. Same thing could happen in that area because there is no place for anybody to go. What if the trains were to derail on the other side of the property? People are going to try and get out. They're still going to panic. ‸ Emergency EMS cannot get in there when people are panicking and taking up all the lanes just to go one direction. The schools, they say, yeah,
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But you know what? They're short on teachers. I have a ‸ grandson who has dyslexia, severe dyslexia. He can't even get his ESE coverage and help ‸ from his IEP, which is a legal document, ‸ because
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enough teachers, enough ESE teachers. There's not enough for the children that would be coming in. Why? Why do you want to have so many homes on that little piece of property? It's not in keeping with what's around there. Yeah, I know. This is going off. But you know what? Everybody else got to speak five and ten minutes, so I'm going over.
They're the applicants, ma'am. They're
the
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Anyway, why not do one acre per house instead of
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Thank you, county.
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Saying none, Chair like to return, close the public portion of it and return it to council. What are the wishes of council? Motion to approve. We have a motion on the floor by Deputy Mayor Hearns. ‸ We got a motion first. We'll listen to it for discussion. I'll second it for discussion.
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Yeah. It's one of ‸ the staff points was the smart growth. And certainly density is a part of smart growth. But looking at the whole picture, this is obviously urban sprawl. We have lots of rural area and then a dense area out here that we've connected. And there's a long history and a genesis.
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better. And all I hear is it feels very baked because of the history. But I am really concerned with the safety on James Road. And then, of course, we're using the impact fees toward the 524 to try to push that forward. But I've got to tell you, it's going to be a while. And I didn't realize that this is,
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pretty aggressive schedule. If it were to go by this, we'll be done building in 27. So I have concerns as well. I have concerns that, you know, what's happened now is, you know, I looked up the FEMA firm maps, the flooding. Of course, everything's changed since they changed topography with Brightline. And I know that the county has, is redoing their maps or has redone most of them.
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county.
But,
yeah, so, ‸ you know, I have real questions about this. I'm glad to see it went down in density a little bit. But I think it's still going to be a strain on the area.
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And that seems high considering the railroad is, is right behind them. And those are my concerns. And so it's, you know, it's primarily it's the traffic issue and the safety surrounding that. And then the stormwater. Thank you.
Okay.
We
have a motion on the floor and a
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chair.
just
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Aye.
Any nays? Nay. Madam Clerk,
do
you have the name?
I do, sir.
Yes, ma'am. Thank you kindly.
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providing for repeal of prior and consistent ordinances and resolution, incorporating into the code, availability and effective date 2020, excuse me, 23-776. They're changing
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planner.
Okay, ordinance number 26-2023. An ordinance of the city
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ordinance of the city of Cocoa, appendix A, article 19, section 2, relating to meeting schedule of the planning and zoning board, providing for the repeal of prior and consistent ordinances and resolutions, incorporation into the code, severability and an effective date. This is first reading of the ordinance. This ordinance is being recommended for approval by the, I think it went to the planning and zoning board for approval.
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board to establish their own schedule.
Yes.
At such intervals as the board may determine, but not less frequently than once every month. And then special meetings can be called by the chair, vice, vice chair upon giving 24 hours notice to members of the board.
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called by written notice signed by three members of the board. So it's a little house cleaning for the planning and zoning board to have some flexibility in scheduling their meetings.
Motion to approve.
It's a, we, we, we, we have to open it to the public though.
Oh, okay.
No, but you have a motion. No, I,
I, I, we
have a motion
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the
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now let the city planner do, I mean, it's a no brainer. Okay.
All right. Then let
me, let me close this portion to council to the public. Please come forward.
If
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Chill out to close this portion to the public and return to the council. We have an emotional on the floor by councilwoman costs
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All in favor saying aye. Aye. Any names? Ayes have it unanimously. Proceeding on to item number seven. Pass on first reading proposal ordinance number 25 dash 2023. A zoning text amendment. Amending appendix. ‸ A zoning article number 13. Supplementary to district regulations of zoning
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Establishing
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land uses. Providing for the repeal of prior
inconsistent
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ordinance and resolutions. Incorporation into the code.
availability
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You know this has been presented to us.
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But I'll let Anthony Garganese read this into the minutes. And then we will hear from
the city planner. Okay. This is a first reading of the ordinance 25 dash 2023. An ordinance of the city
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A zoning article 13. Supplementary district regulations of the zoning ordinance of the city of Coco. And
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land uses. Providing for the repeal prior and consistent ordinances. Resolutions incorporation into the code.
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Again, this is second reading. Also public hearing item. This issue ‸ was brought up at a council meeting. And the direction was to look at this issue.
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And I know staff can give you more details. Is to define a use regarding,
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So there are definitions that are being established. And then the ordinance provides for a distance requirement. Minimum distance requirement of those types of establishments of 500 feet from pre-existing religious institutions. Public or private elementary, middle or secondary school or public park or playground.
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Staff may have some additional comments. Planning and zoning board has recommended approval. So
mayor.
Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you, sir.
Madam planner.
All righty.
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popular within our culture. And this ordinance looks to
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It is brewed into a tea-like drink and it is being increasingly sold within our city.
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potential risk of elevated liver problems. Several cases of liver damage, including hepatitis and cirrhosis, have been associated with this. Kava in itself has that problem. But it also, when it's combined with alcohol, it, in, in increases impairment and it is not a controlled substance within the United States. How, however, due to the concerns of liver toxicity, Kava is subject to regulatory controls in many other countries.
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Thank
you.
Kratom is a tropical tree from South Asia. Yeah. And can
we get some water for it, please?
I
have one.
Excuse
me. Sorry, I'm
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Yeah, take your time, ma'am. We're
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Yes.
The issue with Kratom is that it is an, it's an addictive substance and people who are on it for more than, um, six months do experience withdrawal symptoms, symptoms, similar to opioids.
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It is considered a controlled substance in, in the areas that it's native. This ordinance provides for, um, minimum distances between these substances and places where the youth of the city could gather. Because of
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of ordinances within the city addressing these substances, we are proposing a 500 foot limit between existing buildings that are selling this and those, um, places where the youth might gather. Churches, parks, playgrounds, and the sort of things. Churches,
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a Kratom Consumer Protection Act in place, which makes it unlawful to sell, deliver, barter, furnish, or give directly or inject directly Kratom to a person under 21 years of age. Churches, so,
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that it's sold and the recommendation, um, is for approval of this ordinance.
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outside of the 500 foot exclusion zone. So. So. This is a consistent with the objective 1.1.5 neighborhood protection. The city shall ensure that additional growth and development will be respectful of established neighborhoods and
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So the staff
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Do we have any questions for our illustrious and dustries city planner? So we
have a,
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Do we have a have that?
We are actually in the process of creating that.
Um,
‸ we're working with code
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them. Um, as they're out in their daily journeys and we're matching them up in our GIS with the churches. So at this point we do not have that, but we are in the process of creating it.
So, so just refresh my brain.
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today.
Yes.
Won't be affected by this. Once this passes, correct? Right.
No, that's true. However, if they ever choose to not sell this product and then try to bring it back, then they will be subject to these rules.
Right. Right.
There are, there are just ordinary, normal, nonconforming use, uh, provisions that would apply.
Okay. Yeah. Um, so, uh, I know a few of us have, uh, seen this, uh, drink or whatever it is.
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right now. Um, seven days a week, 24 seven. Uh, we got a spot, literally a rock throw away that we have some concerns with. So, uh, I like this idea of bringing this to the table. That's all I have.
Unfortunately, as we promote this ordinance, sorry, and you absolutely correct. Um, they had already submitted their paperwork, but now we just been proactive. Henceforth moving forward. Yes, sir.
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Go for it. As
far
as, um, and maybe this could be a legal thing too. Um, having a conversation with those business owners about ‸ the name of their business. We do, we have any authority on that at all. You don't. So whatever they choose, the name their business is between that's their priority, whatever, whatever. So
that's a protected, protected speech. That's it.
Gotcha. Okay.
Thank you. Okay. Subject of course to like, you know, trademark copyright and all that other stuff, federal regulations, but it's not, not an issue for the city to regulate.
‸ Okay. Do we have any other questions for Mrs. Hopper?
Go ahead, sir.
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So, uh, I want to say thank you ‸ staff for working on this. Uh, I know we brought this issue up
a month
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Uh,
it's a concern to everybody on the council. ‸ I just want to make sure. Uh, this is as far as being proactive. This is the further, the furthest extent we can go with this ordinance on, um,
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that alcohol has a 300 foot minimum. So we're more aggressive than alcohol.
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My biggest question was as far as I know you said if they
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We can't kind of retro action.
Okay. Seeing any additional questions. Sure.
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and open to the public. Please come forward and state your name and your concerns. You have three minutes. You must submit a card.
Nothing. Mr. Greenwood
going once. And as they stated that this has been approved by PNZ going twice. Sure.
Let
the
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portion to the public and return to the council. What are the wishes of council?
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We got a motion on the floor by deputy mayor Hearns.
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Just gonna call the question. All in favor saying aye.
Aye.
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looking at my paper yes sir i'm at 6 p.m at the
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for the purpose of preserving public notice of the adoption of the proposed agreement. Esquire Garganese, sir.
Exactly.
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that was advertised uh the last meeting, ‸ the Council postponed um consideration of the First Amendment to this meeting. um The agreement is still being worked on. We anticipate that it's going to be ready to be presented to the council on december 19th 2023 at 6 p.m which is uh next week so we're asking like you did last time, to postpone to that date.
uh So moved by Council.
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chair made
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the favor ‸ saying aye aye and the nays
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unanimously all right moving on the next item council business item
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I see we have a traditional um way but I am willing to change and and compromise to as well um
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I would like to remain on the Space Coast League of Cities uh ‸ board as you know the Florida League of cities Cities but I also would like to be a primary for the Space Coast TPO and that is my reason why
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no disrespect I will surrender my uh position with the affordable housing committee um and either even with the um
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we're doing now currently those three spots I i feel compelled to represent and I know you all
want
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to chime in and I would like to make my bid at first I'll give you a chance to to review.
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let her go ‸ first, councilman
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remove my name from that. So that could be for anyone else. Okay. Is that it, sir? Yeah. everything else? The, I would the affordable housing committee. I ‸ would love to be on that committee. okay i'll take it
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‸ Housing authority. That's all.
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absolutely disrespectful. i've been on the Space Coast TPO for five years. I've been elected to the executive committee. I've led the Vision Zero effort along with representing this city and its interests well on that committee. um so I'm not sure what you have in mind in terms of what's in front of us because I've been lobbying
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Well,
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what are
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We're talking about the TPO. Yeah,
so I've been serving on the TPO since I was elected. I've been elected to the executive committee of the TPO. But this is the third year in a row. That is elected by other council members from other cities to serve in that capacity.
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I have good relationships with that committee. And I have every reason to want to continue that work. And that's probably some of the most important work I do for the city.
I made my recommendation. I stand on my recommendation, ma'am. I'm being the mayor and I cover all four districts. I'm elected through all four districts. I do have an outstanding report with the members of the TPO. I ‸ have a report not only with the the members of the
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throughout the entire state of Florida and nationally speaking throughout the United States. And we do address some of the concerns. is there as well.
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I would like to move in that direction. Take the city and move toward a different direction, but still have the success. I will continue to collaborate and and keep the open door policy. And I just stand on those principles. What
direction would you be moving to that I'm not?
Well, ma'am, let me just say it this way. um I feel the report would be increasingly approved. And I just stand on those issues.
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on the executive committee, along with my leadership and initiatives, is that...
I
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So this is really a political move. And I'd like to know what... This is not a political move. It's a political move. I'd like to know what what is the process for us determining these? the
process
I'm asking the attorney.
I would think it would be a voting process. Yeah,
the liaisons are approved by by the city council as a governing body. I mean, it's at the council's the council's discretion. Right.
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that position.
I mean, if necessary,
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the liaisons, you could you could do the nomination process. The council can take nominations, close the floor on the nominations. And then ‸ the council would... The next step would be for the council to vote on one of the
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nominations. ‸ That process is provided in your rules of procedure you know if necessary. So
that
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I would nominate myself to serve in that position as the mayor has nominated ‸ himself.
At this point procedurally the mayor would ask if there are any other nominations, if not close the nominations and then the council will vote on which nominee they want to
point
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as the liaison.
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uh So the only other committee that I serve on, because as you know the sustainability advisory board was dissolved and a new one created, um is the utilities advisory board. That is essentially defunct. It hasn't met in
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new president. um Mrs. Latham is president. I think the VP or vice chairperson is uh
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hasn't been a year, ma'am.
Since last summer. No,
ma'am. They've met since then because they have no appointments because, I ‸ can't think of
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stepped down from that position.
‸ At any rate, um so the utilities advisory board is is not meeting. um Certainly my background, my education is in sustainability. um but um
um
you
know, add to the fact that the TPO, I'm like one of the few people that
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perfect attendance there. So I do take it seriously. I do review the agenda. And it's not just walking in. It's, you know, reviewing the issues and being ready to discuss them.
‸ So let me get you clear. So it's sustainability, you want to be on the sustainability board, am I ‸ correct? You want to be the liaison for that one?
I'm primarily interested in the Space Coast TPO.
Okay.
Okay. it's gonna be So that's your question. Okay. So now we have the Board of Adjustment and I'm waiting to hear from uh
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to ‸ to convincingly convey her thoughts. I think she recited that to us several times, but I think uh Councilman
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had his lights on and then after Councilman
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um then we will go to ‸ Goins.
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you can see Councilman Dow had the Board of Adjustment, Code Enforcement, and sustainability advisory board as well. ‸ thank you, sir. So, yes, sir. Yeah.
that's a kiss call
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‸ what I was sharing with the with with with the uh Council is that, i
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uh at the end of it.
what I
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know is I'm
going
to try to bring enthusiasm and knowledge to anything that I do. uh And so just just know that if that makes this decision making process a little easier, uh I'm very open. The only thing I ask is that if anything is before uh in the midday, I will be a horrible representative. Thank you. I
understand that.
Trust
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sir. So uh I just want to try to fill in the ones that we don't have yet, which is Board of Adjustments,
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Correct.
And then the
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So is that is that where we are? Yes,
sir.
Okay. All right. uh
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I want to remove myself. So who i'm just trying to fill in those
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um Who would like to take that spot? I could remain, but I just, it's more time for me.
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it there.
okay
is that it sir
Yes, sir.
Okay. Chair relating to make a motion to accept the following requirements. Chair would be the Space Coast TPO liaison, Space Coast League of Cities liaison primary and the Florida League of Cities of
the
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liaison primary affordable housing. will be goings board of adjustments will be uh
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uh deputy mayor Hearns uh
planning
and zoning board will be Mr. Hearns or deputy mayor Hearns uh police community relations and advisory
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and I look for a second.
This is We're going to we've got one case where we have two nominees. Shouldn't we be doing this separately? I mean, I don't want this hijacked. Right.
It's not.
No, this is very political. And we need to do this right and in order. Right.
So I mean at the end at the end of the day majority vote of the council right will will appoint
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for um the Space Coast
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break that out for a separate vote. um and consider the remaining uh liaison appointments as a an entire slate.
I also wanted to add we need to do the voting delegate for the um Space Coast League of cities as well.
Okay. voting delegate.
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What I could do is, uh ‸ well, all right
all
right so I want to do things decent and in order, sir. I did make a motion, sir. So I need a second, sir. Or do I need to close the floor first and then make the motion? What is I just want
this? Is this on the slate or just on on the slate?
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you do have two nominations on the. No,
he's making.
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‸ your motion is on the entire slate.
Yes sir that and I went down the roll identifying the requests of the various individuals and their positions. So in order to
vote between one of the two candidates you would have to vote no on the entire slate which is cumbersome and it is cumbersome but it's
a political
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second to the mayor's motion then um you know then you know it can be taken up and if you know the majority of the council want to sever the um TPO appointment from from the main motion you know they can they can procedurally do that. But
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for discussion by council and
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just to that slate. Are there any positions that I'm currently in right now that would be of interest? uh
Instead of the TPO? No.
i Well i that that is yeah yes
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short answer. uh Because if that happens is there something else as part of that
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that I'm happy ‸ No
I think it's better to make this as obvious what's as as possible. As obvious as it is what's happening. Okay. Okay.
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be taken out of that position. and um ‸ it this needs to be it needs to be written well in the minutes. um I think that you know it really
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matter
of
respect. and as well of course you don't know but there have been it has been noted several people have written talking about the lack of respect.
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um ‸ no I'm not going to agree to ‸ sustainability to take to justify or make people feel good about voting me out of the TPO. You want to vote me out of the TPO. You just need to know why you're doing it, what you're doing, and you know darn well I have supporters. And the actions that take place here
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This is the first time this
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has ever done anything like this.
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but I've been here
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completing 15 years. And I've seen this take place before.
I'm good. i'm going on um So, i i for me, the fact that we haven't done it in five years, i I'm not looking at it as political. I'm looking at it as a change. And so, anybody anybody who's had any position that we're looking at right now it can be removed at any time.
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I give up all my spots right now because it's not about me.
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think it's taken away from the work that you have done on that particular board. But if the mayor comes and said that he wants to be on that particular board, he has every right to do so. There's nothing that you or me or anybody else can do about that
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but he feels he's a better fit for that particular board. That's his opinion. And depending on how the council moves on that. I don't. But I do understand how you could look at it that way. I'm not naive to that point at all. But he has every right to ask to be on that board and
access
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peers to do ‸ So that's just my take on it. So it's not political to me.
Okay. Is that
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No, sir. Pray to God. i Pray. There
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gonna ‸ call the question all in favor saying aye. Aye. any nays that's a record reflect we have two nays. Deputy Mayor Hearns. Councilwoman
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Thank you. Let's move forward. Move on to item
numbers
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eight dash one. Consideration removal of the
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Where the wishes of council? most approved They have motion on the floor
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call the question on a favor saying Aye.
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of the future Mountain Cove homes, lakes at
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and
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along the south side of state road
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owned by Brightline trains, Florida LLC, approximately plus or minus 700 acres into the county district one roads and bridges MSTU pursuant to the stipulated settlement agreement
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dated December the 11th, 2007 Esquire Garganese. city
um
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is another item that goes back to the stipulated settlement agreement with Brevard County over that annexation lawsuit involving both the, the Brightline property to the north now mountain coves and uh the, um the property to the south. That's um going to be the future. Windward preserve and
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the municipal service taxing unit.
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MSTU tax on the Florida law.
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and within a municipal municipality. It requires, um the adoption of an ordinance. So this is the ‸ precursor to the ordinance coming before you. It's the interlocal agreement between the city and the county, which identifies ‸ the um the the county roads and drainage facilities that
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properties in the future. um so, um all of that was negotiated with, uh with the county and, um that's this that, that's what this agreement does. um you will receive, um for consideration. at if not your next meeting, the, the first meeting in January, the, ‸ ordinance that actually, um approves the MSTU within the jurisdictional boundaries the the of the city. And the MSTU geographical area is only related to um those two properties. um
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than uh what's legally described in in the ILA. ‸ be happy to answer any other questions. Yes,
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You said the next meeting, the 19th?
If not, the first reading of the ordinance will either be at the next meeting or the or the first meeting in January. So we we intend to, after the ILA is approved, it's going to go to the county. I'm not sure the county is going to be able to act on it. Okay, sir. um In time, um so it'll probably roll over to January
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thank you, sir.
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wishes of council? So move. Second. Motion on the floor by the chair
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is moving as fast as he can to swap out the name plate for Mrs. Morgan. Mrs.
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uh, for the public and, uh, those that are still listening. Abby has a BS degree in chemistry, um, from the university of Miami. She also has a, uh,
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um, from Florida international university. And, uh,
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So she went back and got a, uh, a BS in environmental engineering from a Florida international university also. And so, uh, she is a, uh, one of only, I think four professional engineers that we have in the city here.
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Yeah. Yeah. So she's also a professional engineer and has a number of other certifications there and has worked with the city since, uh, 2018. And so I'm proud to be the one to make that appointment of her as the public works director.
Congratulations.
Rob, you got my stuff. I'm going to try to be as quick as possible there. So, um, we were notified this week that again, Mrs. Bowman and her staff were awarded the, uh, GFO certificate of achievement for excellence in the financial reporting. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And that's a very significant, um, uh, award. Um, I forget
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Definitely since I've been here.
Yeah. So, so again, very proud of, uh, of the work that she does along with staff. Um, again, just reading
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uh, the certificate is the highest form of recognition in governmental accounting and financial reporting. And is, uh, ‸ it's a testament that represents a significant accomplishment by,
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a government and its management. And then she, again, she does a great job
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in managing the finances of the city. Uh,
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And so he is now, uh, certified or designated as a chief EMS officer. Um, and I won't read what all of that is, but he is one of only 1800 of those such individuals
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and so go, go up, go back now. And so a couple of things I look forward to see if we're actually on the map.
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But Florida trend is a magazine. It's a big business magazine that sort of highlights what's happening around the state, uh, each month. And this last, uh,
edition
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we were actually in it. They were highlighting the space coast and, uh, the economic development initiatives on the space coast. And so I think, I think we have arrived. Uh, at least we have some momentum. Uh, and so the city was highlighted in there.
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number of initiatives and, and, uh, and the city were highlighted in there. I think most importantly, when you look under the category of, if you're interested in developing community relations or new ventures, then you got to get to know these movers and shakers.
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Samantha senior has arrived on the economic development scene. So, um, very proud of her, um, taking on that additional responsibility. And I think we're doing great things there. Uh, we do have reports from others. We did the, uh, presentation of the graduates for the, uh, fire recruits and you guys should be very proud of that. Remember, that's the program where we not only pay for their, their, uh, them to be in the ‸ academies. We give them a living stipend.
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recognize tonight. And we're, we're very proud of that.
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Rock paper. Um,
‸ I wanted to inform council that, uh, there's an organization with an acronym of L I H W A. Um, that received money, ARPA money from the state of Florida. And their mission was to distribute that to utilities to help customers with their utility bills. Um, to date, they've,
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1400 residents,
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notify council that, um, my staff had, uh, submitted an application for a historical African American cemeteries,
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assist the cemetery. Um, we were notified via email that we did not qualify because there were burials within 10 years. Uh, some of them like 2019 or something like that. Uh, however, working with, uh, some of the public work staff, uh, some of the employees are working with the Masons to try and get, uh, some improvements to the cemetery because
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Mm-hmm.
And then we'll continue looking for other opportunities, perhaps not as a historical cemetery, but some type of grant for cemeteries.
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that I just wanted to, to highlight quickly. Um, and I wanted to debut this
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push out via social media this week as well.
Tonight we're celebrating 100 years, I would say, of education. And this building became the Harry T. Moore Center. Harry T. Moore
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very important part of Cocoa history. 1923 was a magnificent year to do something that will be a
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It's gonna ‸ be a great celebration tonight. We have historic reenactors here portraying John Gilbert, a principal at the school. Also Mary McLeod Bethune who gave the dedication speech at the opening of the school 100 years ago. She'll be here as well. So there'll be tours of the museum, some of the kids from Pal who occupies the other half of the building are gonna ‸ be doing some special things so it should be a really great night.
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So we're celebrating here from all demographics. You know we come from different tribes but we belong to one
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Unfortunately I was not able to attend but I got good reports back and the committee was very pleased with how it turned out and the attendance that we had. Everybody seemed to have a really good time at the event. So thank you all for being a part of it. And then we had last Friday we had our tree lighting event with
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Boat Parade. We had record attendance at that event. And then we also
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had our over 40 floats in the parade this year which was a lot more than we had last year and a really good showing for ‸ the community. So that's all I have. Oh I apologize. I don't. I have one more thing. Thanks. As we all know and I'm sure you guys will mention in your reports our football team won the state championship. We've had a request from ‸ the high school to hold a celebration event again for them like we've done in the past.
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approval from council to move forward with a celebration event for the Cocoa High State Champion football team on January 27th which is a Saturday in Riverfront Park.
Is that the only date that they're available for the usage of the Riverfront Park?
It is the only date Riverfront Park is available for the event.
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Oh yeah let's do a consensus so everyone
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appreciate that. So save the date for January 27th and we will work with the school to plan the event like we have done in the past.
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I have a question.
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because some stated that they didn't. They have not yet received it.
Everybody should if you are a residential trash customer you have received it.
Okay.
Yep. It went out to we took every address that we had on our list for residential waste customers and sent it to them.
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Okay.
Yeah I got mine over a month ago.
Yeah it's been it's been a little bit. ‸ My
magnet is on my refrigerator too as well but I'm just there were some that stated that they did not receive and I'm just trying to make sure they reside in the city of Cocoa.
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but also think, uh, Charlene
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other staff there?
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so thank them for, um, you know, being there and being available on a Saturday night to help us celebrate there and all the work they did there. And then just for clarification,
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that they own, um, tax abatement is very different than a TIF reimbursement. So they still will be paying taxes there. They were there. They're going to request TIF reimbursement, not a tax abatement. So I just wanted to make sure that that was clear out there.
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Thank you.
Thank you very much, sir.
Congratulations
staff, city employees. ‸ Awesome job.
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Uh, no report,
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Okay, sir. Thank you very much, sir.
Um,
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um, traditionally to do their reports, I'm asking that we, if we could modify our reports down to three minutes,
or just hold them till next meeting,
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a person wasn't there or missed the meeting or didn't have the proper documentation or video or photos and had to carry it.
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I sincerely would appreciate it because there's five of us. That's 15 minutes. Sometimes we'll ‸ be on the reports for 20, 25, 30 minutes. Okay. Go ahead, sir.
I'm actually this.
Go ahead, sir.
Would you, would you consider, um, because we have a lot of good things going on in the city, and when we get to a meeting like this, where we might have a long one, it might be best that we can show the good things that we've done. Like a lot of items that, um, ‸ city manager brought up the day citizen need to know about it, to possibly move our force in the beginning.
Yes. Well, yeah, I mean, that's flexible too. Sometimes as well, sir.
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before. So, um, I will leave that Avenue available to as well. I said, uh, uh, I thought to consider, but I'm just asking that if we can limit our reports just to three minutes, I sincerely would appreciate it.
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line. Who are we doing tonight? We're doing odds or evens. Evens. I'll do my report.
Uh, ‸ prefer. I'll do my report at the beginning of the meeting next time. It's too late.
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if we don't have a lot of agenda,
whenever we do it.
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in green to your right, was
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keynote speaker. The lady in, in the red, Mrs.
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She was, was one of six of the original members that attended that facility. Um, and that was a beautiful thing. And then she went on to Monroe, but that was some years later.
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Next one, please. Uh,
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Okay. Okay. Here we were celebrating the adoption day. Um, as you can see, we had the, the, the animal there that's
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It was a ceremony that was held at the, uh, sports complex celebration of the adoption. Um,
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This was under the leadership of Mrs. Jones and we had excellent turnout. There were like 12 families present.
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As you can see, we're having a great time. Um, I'm not going to elaborate on it too much, but this is under the, uh, Rudy
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he read the minutes, the proclamation there too, as well.
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the MCs and they did the introduction. Um,
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We had a great time this past week. Um, as you can see, we had students from everywhere from all elementary schools, Cambridge, also, uh,
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‸ you can see the long line. We had some of the high school students there.
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a former student of mine. This is Brian ‸ was instrumental in shopping with the cop. Want to thank both the police department and the fire department and, and city employees too, as well. Uh, this was last night at the space coast league of city. This is a dynamic group right here. Our city manager, city attorney, Colleen Monica, Tammy, Nadasha and Mrs. Johnson. That's and Lisa. That's a heck of a group right there. Um,
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Hawkins, the fans, and that is it for me, sir. So who goes next deputy mayor?
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So I guess I do. Okay. Can I say one more thing? And now I just want to share something with you at the Florida League of Cities. We're having on legislative day, January the 29th through the 31st. This was shared at the, uh, Space Coast League of Cities meeting.
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timelines and pertaining to building permits. Also, they were talking about the reduction of 3% to 2% to homestead exemption.
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BTR business tax receipt. So our state legislatures are working, uh, diligently, but the most important thing I want us to, to know is that we need to make sure we inform the public. There are other issues that I would like to share, but being the first vice president, I will be more detailed. We're meeting this up and coming week as well.
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Florida. So you're stating who goes next.
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Okay. Who's next?
Um, I ‸ just like to, um, as everyone else's did, uh, give a
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Those guys not only went out there and won, they dominated. So I'm proud of those guys.
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and ‸ mayor. Um, I want to give a huge shout out to Mr. Ryan Brown. Um, yes, I had the opportunity to play Santa for the kids and he was my elf.
Um,
so, um, yeah, I just want to give a shout out to all the staff. Um, I know many staff, they volunteer for these events and every time I see them, they have a smile on their face. You know, never complaining. They're out there just as happy as anyone else. So I thank y'all
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Um, as a government, um, ‸ what else I had? Uh, that's it. Okay.
Who's next, sir?
District
one. Okay.
I forgot probably turned
in.
Um, okay. Oh, also,
I
want to give a big shout out to, uh, chief for hosting a walk in district two. Um, I got a lot of feedback from the residents. They appreciate that. Um, thank you.
Uh, the first thing is, uh, ‸ give a shout out to three, uh, Coco pal members.
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Uh,
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And I believe scholarship money, um, from the state power organization, uh, Saturday, uh,
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is having their Christmas ball, um, at Walter Butler community center.
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the community. Um, ‸ we have a few, uh, council members. I know that have donated towards, um, this event. Uh,
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pay for, I believe is the remaining part of the DJ. Uh, I know we got the food already, but, uh, if anyone would like to donate, they could contact me, um, as well.
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um, especially suits, uh, suit jackets, shoes, uh, any pants or anything that, that you have. Like I had some old, uh, jackets I can't wear no more, you know, cause I got so. ‸ So, yeah.
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the council want to pop their head in, um, that's a, it'd be a great thing for you to do that. The parade winners were first place was
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They won first
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as well.
You tell these one. Oh
yeah.
Oh yeah.
That's right.
That's
right. With the big, with the big excavator.
It's the second year in a row
they
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won that category.
Yeah, man.
We
always will rock ledge.
Space coast last night.
Oh, space, space, cool. League of city last night. Image of charter Academy also perform step show, um, for all the elected officials in the, uh, in Brevard County. Um, that's it. I'm ready to go home.
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to spend our money. Uh, so we had
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Uh, the mayor came through, uh, show us support, uh, financially as well. So I appreciate you for for doing that for our kids.
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Go ahead.
So
the floor is yours.
Thank you. Uh, so from district three,
uh,
three points, uh, the, the first was, uh, in continuing on, uh, just when meeting, uh, folks at the district, uh, just taking that over to the court. Uh,
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Uh, got to meet a lot of kids who were over there. Uh, and also actually some folks that are just kind of traveling through the park, ‸ eat lunch and then they go. Uh, and so I was, you know, where are you coming from? Uh, and they were actually coming out of Orlando over to here
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So, uh, you never know who's going to pop in. So it was nice to speak with them. Um, and I appreciate all of the development and effort that we're putting into our parks. Uh, and so I, I look forward to that, uh, continued shared vision for all of the parks. So thank you for that. I appreciate that. Uh, equally a shout out ‸ to chief as well. Uh, because, oh yeah, uh, over at well chief, see, uh, the, the other one and I showed him as well,
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our district. Um, but to the credit, uh, of our law enforcement, uh, I was out there with my son. They're just playing soccer. Uh, they just want to run the field.
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the field midday. Uh,
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Uh, and then
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somebody out who's having some issues. Uh, but the beautiful part of it is number one, they were just cool, just cool. Uh, they didn't raise it. Their interaction was totally respectful, totally meaningful, took care of what they need.
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you know? And, uh, and so they
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back in, get stickers out of the car, go over to one of the little kids who was waiting at the stop, start giving them out, you know, the stickers or something like this. Then they come over. My son, of course, you know, see the stickers and you see, that's about the coolest day ever.
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just absolutely just fantastic. You know, they really made it a better place, which is really, really great. So thank you. Uh,
and,
and chief, we, we spoke briefly about that. So thank you to the staff. Uh, the, the additional part as we've moved into, uh, colder temperatures.
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have woods where people are hanging out in. Uh,
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now.
Uh,
and so being able to pass along those resources, I know in our district, if there's something that we could be doing to pass along location, where can I go when it drops below blank degrees? Uh, I, I know that would be something that welcome and I'm sure that through everybody's it would be welcome the same. So, and that's all. That's it. Thank you. Thank you, sir.
Yeah,
just to say that, uh, the bike parade is on Friday and I'll be judging that. No, if you can still sign up, do you know if you register online for the bike parade?
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Yes. And I apologize. I forgot to mention that that was happening on Friday.
Is that it? Is that everyone? Okay. In conclusion, we would like to say Merry Christmas, Happy Kwanzaa, Happy Hanukkah, Feliz Navidad. Thank you. God bless.
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Thank you council. We have a motion on the floor to adjourn.
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Aye.
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