We would like to have invocation by yours truly, Councilman Hearn. Pledge of Allegiance will be done by our fire department and our police department. Would everyone secure your cell phones,
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I think it's off. And we would like to proceed with invocation. Would everyone stand for invocation?
All right.
‸ Everyone, ‸ please join
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invocation. Dear Heavenly Father, I'd like to give thanks for allowing everyone to arrive here this afternoon safe. I'd like to ask that you continue to watch over us and keep us safe as a city.
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going through their endeavors at this moment. I ask that you give us a sound mind that we only make the best decisions on
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‸ Amen. Amen.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States
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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you very much. Madam Clerk, may we do roll call and you have your assistant with you today, I see this afternoon. Yes,
sir. Mayor Blake, I have Mr. Devin Fritz with us.
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He's our new records technician.
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Yes,
Mayor Blake. Mayor.
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Thank you very much. As you all know, this is our annual financial budgeting analysis.
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Special meeting of July 5th, 2025.
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But before we turn it over to him, I would like to defer the floor to our City Manager. Sir.
Mr. Mayor, thank you. We
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the order of this year's workshop. And so this is a workshop where you're going to get a balanced budget proposal from me. I think you've already gotten that.
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fund tax rate, the fire assessment, the utility rates, and then the stormwater assessment. And so we'll take you ‸ through that in a few minutes here. I do have some good news sort of informational reports and there's no place on the agenda to do that. And so I really wanted to do that up front, Mr. Mayor.
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‸ So the first ‸ bit of good news I want
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previously advised, we actually had already applied for the DEP 319 grants.
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recommendation to the federal EPA
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And so that federal portion would be 1.8 and then we'd
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for a total of 3 million there. Yesterday, a week after the grant portal was open for the water quality grants, we actually made application for that. That would be on the public side. And so we made application for a 50-50 matching grant of 5.296 million. And so we would match that with a 5.296
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Today, we were notified that, and I gave you, back in February, you can see we made a
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These are what, I feel like a movie star now. These are what are known as earmarks, appropriations there. And so we were happy that the Congressman's office actually said, you know, he was going to participate in that. And so staff, and mainly Samantha coordinating the drafting of the letters that you see, the coordination with his staff, the information from departments.
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to do that. We sought forgiveness after we submitted those. And ‸ so today, we were informed that we were actually successful on two of those requests.
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Yeah,
man. Coco, baby. And
then the other
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And so again, ‸ these are labeled as community project awards, sort of outside the funding that I went over a few minutes ago. And so if we're successful with all of this, again, these are ‸ notices from the Congressman's office about ‸ these awards there.
And
so again, of course, you know, I want to thank staff, Samantha and the department directors, the mayor on the Washington trip. I mean,
you
can, if there's anybody who loves
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to the bat for us. And then, and so we were really successful. And so I want to ‸ give a shout out to her, obviously the Congressman, because from day one, he's
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that we ask of him. And so, so a big shout out to him. Valentina's last name, Samantha is ‸ Valenta. So, so it makes, ‸ so make sure I got that right. And then, you know, and I truly believe, and I said this to, to you all, and I said this in the email when it comes to the 319 funding, that it was staff making themselves available to the ‸ state agencies to, to actually give them information above and beyond what they requested in the application. I actually personally was on a call with them either three or four times there.
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the Florida Department of Environmental Protection. And I want to give a shout out in particular to Connie Becker, who is a retired now. And, but we became fast friends. And,
and,
and I think, you know, in my experience, in my career, it's about developing those relationships and getting the information out there.
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comes through, and again, the DEP is a recommendation to EPA. DEP has said that 98, 90 something percent of what they recommend gets funded. And so I fully anticipate that we'll, we'll get that funding. And so, and so that, that totals for
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for a staff who's been accused of not actually wanting the project to happen
there.
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That, that's, that's the, the good news for, for today. And so just wanted to, to, again, put that out there. Um, Mr. Mayor and council members, what you have before you is a balanced budget proposal for the fiscal year.
Okay.
Before
you proceed, uh, as far as the appropriations for the septic, the sewer project, is the number that's outlined in the letter what we were awarded?
No, it
was,
it was 1.2.
Okay.
So we asked for 2.2 or something like that. And we got 1.2.
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No,
the,
the, the, the septic to sewer is 1.25.
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Well, we asked, okay. So we asked for 4.
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And I forget what the ask was for on that one. So again, the DEP grant is for 1.8. The
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on the fed side or on the other dollars side there.
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I just want to make sure these are dollars that are allocated for the various projects.
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our revenue. That's what I'm just trying to make sure they would not get a portion of that. Will they?
No.
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Well, actually, in ‸ some respects, ‸ the 3.19 is funneled through the state.
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any administrative fees off of that. So the 1.8 comes from federal EPA ‸ through the Florida DEP. The water quality is a part of the state's budget there. So those are dollars that are set aside for DMAP projects.
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is just simply O earmarks, the O earmark process.
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And so we'll update the website with all of the information.
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quality grant because we have an additional funding source that we didn't know about on yesterday. So ‸ we'll do that.
And if you want to be recognized, ‸ just raise your hand, stop and ‸ write it down.
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Normally and traditionally speaking, if you have a question. Okay. Anything else for the city manager before we proceed forward? Saying none.
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And ‸ again, we have Pete Napoli with ‸ Stantec here to make the presentation. And so that's a part of the balanced budget proposal. So whatever he's giving you, I've utilized those assumptions to actually work with staff to balance the budget. And so the budget totals approximately $195 million, which is roughly 12% higher than last year. And so that growth is driven mainly by capital. There are a lot of utility upgrades and not a whole lot of increases in terms of operating expenditures. The tax value rose 6.1%. And we'll take you through that discussion in the presentation from the finance staff.
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Pete will talk about the rate. The tax rate remains the same. It's a 6.9532. And the big thing about this budget and about that is that we've balanced, at least on the general fund side, the capital expenditures without the use of fund balances. That's not to say that we've met all of our capital needs because they're always going to far exceed what revenue that you get in. But again, structurally, we're not relying on savings to fund any of our general fund capital next year. And I think that's just a good fiscal position to be in. So here are the hard realities behind the numbers. We talk all the time about our tax base, and I've said that from day one. 62% of cocoa parcels are taxed at less than $100,000 in value, which is way below the county average. And really, in essence, means that you don't get much in terms of tax revenues off of those parcels. And again, that's approximately 62%. If you
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the property taxes alone, they wouldn't fund the police department's budget.
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We don't collect enough in property tax revenue to actually fund the police department's budget when you take it in isolation. Water utility revenue is our financial lifeline. So are you guys looking for...
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Okay.
If you could just reference the page
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you all when we're done. But this is ‸ just prepared comments by means. But it's all in the budget message, or it will be in the presentations there. And again, water utilities ‸ as a revenue is our financial lifeline.
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capital operating... Meets their operating needs there. ‸ It underwrites and it funds critical general government services to the tune of 22, 23, 24 million dollars. Or somewhere in that neighborhood that we ‸ need, we get from the water utilities just to operate general government services. That's different than most places that you'll see. ‸ You'll note in this budget that we focus a lot on staff and recruiting, ‸ maintaining staff there. And so service quality follows staff quality.
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what I believe. So sustained excellence requires committed, well-trained, and appropriately compensated staff. And so this proposal supports ‸ market competitive pay adjustments. I don't know that they are. I think that we still are underpaid ‸ when you compare us against the market. But for the last three or four years, we've done pretty good in providing annual increases there.
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And there are a handful of critical new positions there.
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tech, and a financial technician dedicated to utility billing. Again, because it is important that we be efficient in the collection of water revenues there. The fire and police officers are, we're a growing city. And so ‸ at some point in time, we're going to have to meet that need there.
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years it takes, that there be an officer and a firefighter added each year so that when we get to that moment where the growth explosion is here. Remember, we still haven't realized the two large subdivisions that we have. We still haven't realized the ‸ city of Cocoa intermodal station there.
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And so, again, I'm suggesting that we take a measured approach into increasing our public safety staff resources there. Not based on comp plan requirements there. Comp plan requirements say that you should have so many per capita, you know.
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had, in terms of crime, a crime issue or a perception of crime issue there.
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of being able to quickly respond. We've been fortunate that our crime rate is down for four years in a row. But I think we just need to have, we need to continue ‸ to look at our police presence and our police resources. And then the same for fire, because we're growing west, sort of northwest, and we know that we're going to need to address response issues there.
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Those are the most that we've added since I've been here. I think only two of the five or six that I mentioned are general fund. The two code enforcement officers, the permit tech, and then there's another that I forget off the top of my head, are from building fees. And so I think that as we look to become this shining star on the hill, we need to increase our code enforcement efforts, at least on the commercial side.
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only. So we have that in there. Again, very proud of the fact I think this is our third year at a half a million dollar level in terms of road paving. And so we were able to maintain that. You'll see in the budget all of the capital projects associated with utilities there. You'll have this for a number of weeks before we get to the setting of the millage. Rebecca, when do we set the tentative millage? The
proposed millage rate is on the 22nd.
So. By July
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the two September hearings.
Right. So you'll go 22nd and then the two September hearings to actually, at least up to the first hearing, to make adjustments on anything that I propose in the budget.
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what I want you to focus on is ‸ that ‸ there's a current tax rate proposal.
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not utilized fund balances to fund capital.
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fiscal realities that are ‸ unique, again, to our community because our general fund budget is approximately 50-ish million. I forget,
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‸ So, again, we rely heavily on water. And ‸ any movement of the millage rate has a ‸ serious effect or has serious consequences on ‸ the modest amount of property tax revenues that we get.
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annual financial analysis.
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All right. Thank you, Mr. City Manager, for the introduction. Good evening, Mayor, Council members. Again, my name is Peter Napoli. I work with Stantec Consulting. With Stantec, we've worked with the city for 15 years now doing this work on an annual basis.
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the sufficiency of the revenues that are generated by the different rates. I've got a presentation for you today that summarizes our work this year and the update to these analyses. So there's three separate main components, and it's the three funds that we look at. So we look at the general fund for the city, the water and sewer utility fund, and then the stormwater fund.
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general fund. So I'll address that during the general fund section of the presentation. So without further ado, I'll start the presentation. We'll start with the foundations of the analysis. So just some of the things that are similar across all three separate analyses. You know, what data we use, what assumptions we use for the forecasting model, why we do it, and what processes in place. Then I'll go through the general fund, the water and sewer stormwater, and then at the end we'll summarize. So the foundations of the analysis is the same for all three of ‸ the funds. ‸ Our main goal is to evaluate the revenues that are generated in each of these different funds. With the general fund, the revenue that you have control over is the property tax rate and the fire assessment rate. So what revenue does that generate and how does it lend to the overall, the long-term sufficiency?
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the revenues come from the water and sewer rate revenue.
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annually and appears on the tax bill. So we'll look at how much revenue those generate and ensure that it's enough to maintain sustainability. We developed these forecasting models also to work with staff and management to look at different scenarios. What if the rate went up by this much? Or what if this expense came online? All types of different scenarios to figure out the best plan for your proposed budget and for long-term sustainability.
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that I'll show you today, is your current year adjusted budget. So the most recent version of your current year budget.
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And then your CIP, so the capital plans for all ‸ the different funds. Each one has their own capital plan that has vehicles, buildings, infrastructure that's necessary to fund. And then we forecast your 2026 budget for those remaining years of that projection period. So salaries, we look at your historical trend on how salaries have grown each year. Repair and maintenance, fuel, utilities, all those different expenses grow each year by a certain amount with inflation and with other factors. And we forecast that into the 10-year period so that we don't just keep them the same over the 10 years. We understand that they do go up. So with that, we'll start with the general fund analysis.
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and then rate drivers. So the objective, as ‸ I have mentioned, is to evaluate the sufficiency of the rates for the general fund. The main observations that I just wanted to point out, everything is per the proposed budget for the 2026 budget. That's balanced. We don't assume any additional level of service changes beyond that 2026 budget. So we don't have new FTEs or new personnel beyond 2026 or new initiatives or departments, your current operating levels.
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depending on which projects are being funded.
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some various things. We have the payments associated with that.
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known schedule of expenses like debt service. We know this amount is due each year and that's incorporated in the analysis. And then finally,
we
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similar on some of the other funds. It's long-term inflation of costs. And most recently, the last several years of inflation have really compounded to have a big impact. The taxable value growth. So as the city manager was explaining, that tax base is important for your property tax revenue and how that grows in each year is very important. If you keep the millage rate the same, the only thing that grows that revenue is the tax base growth. So new development and housing market conditions play a big factor in that.
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So this screen here, and you guys may be familiar with this, but I'll still walk you through all the components. This is our control panel or our dashboard from our financial model. And each year, our goal is to update this and show you the results of the forecast. So at the top, you can see the years going from left to right, the 10 years of the forecast. The first assumption that we just highlighted there is the millage rate. That's the one assumption that you have control over when it comes to rates and revenue generated. We have that maintained at the current rate throughout the 10-year period.
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The next part is taxable value increase. So we just got off of a couple years of really good taxable value increases around the state. There was a big bump from after post-COVID environment. And now we're really seeing that flatten out and slow down. So we're advising cities and counties to expect ‸ lower levels of taxable value growth. And we're advising a more conservative assumption there. So what we have
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assumption. The graphs in the bottom half of the screen summarize the forecast results. So the top left graph, those blue bars, that's your savings account for the general fund. The black line is that minimum reserve policy that you don't want to fall below. If you fall below that, you have to make a significant adjustment,
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You also don't want to show the ‸ fund balance going up forever and just building ‸ a larger and larger bank account. The goal of the city really is to kind of break even and just maintain a healthy savings account in the case of emergencies. So that's what the result of this ‸ update. We're showing a healthy forecast. There is ‸ the bottom graphs show the CIP or the capital spending in each year. So this is your kind of irregular spending outside of operating vehicles, buildings, infrastructure. We have the first year is the highest because we have the carry forward from projects that are still in progress. So the projects that have been committed.
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in capital funding from the general fund.
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Yeah, so first of all, under revenues versus expenses, there's a dip in 26. And so is that we're anticipating?
So that orange line there is representative of all the expenses and including capital. So because the first year, 2025, has so much capital built in from the project carry forwards. And then in 26, you see that dip down to a more normal spend. That's why you see that in the orange line. Technically in 26, the spending is less because there's less of that carry forward capital.
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The taxable value increase, does that anticipate any of the building that's going on right now?
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Well, in upcoming years, since
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Yes, ma'am. So it's really supposed to represent a blend of both existing value growth and new construction. So we do have an assumption in there for new construction adding to the tax roll. And it can be hard to predict and forecast how much or which projects will actually occur, when they will actually come on to the tax roll. So we err on the conservative side with that. But there is an assumption that does include the new construction.
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So the next slide here summarizes the fire assessment. And this kind of goes hand in hand with the general fund because the fire assessment revenues are in the general fund budget. This table, the blue table at the
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So these are annual rates for the fire assessment.
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So for the average residential single-family home, they're currently paying $249 a year. And that will go up to $257. So it's a $7.50 increase ‸ annually. The budget is summarized in the gray box towards the bottom of the screen. In 2025, the
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It's increasing to about $8.4 million, which is a 12% increase in the fire budget. So the rate is increasing much lower than how the budget is increasing. So technically, the cost recovery of the assessment ‸ program is lower. Some of the other things that are incorporated into the revenue part, because
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So whenever new development happens, they'll get a new fire assessment bill. And that's added to the revenue.
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It also adds to the fire assessment bill. And this shows the survey. Fire assessments are very popular in the state of Florida. A lot of cities and counties charge them, including Brevard County. And I'd just like to point out, coincidentally,
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And they've also proposed a rate for the upcoming year that has a 30-ish, 35% increase. So you'll see the Brevard County proposed towards the top of
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So I believe they're going to a higher cost recovery level. Currently, the city is at about a 50% cost recovery with their fire assessment.
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But it's just a policy decision ‸ for funding. So next we'll go into the water and sewer analysis. And same page here, just summarizing ‸ the key observations and considerations. Our goal is to determine if the existing rate plan, which the city's been following, is still sufficient to cover the utilities, operations, and capital. So that rate plan has been 4% historically. So that's where we start out.
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‸ to cover all the obligations?
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more specifically, construction cost inflation, which has been very high over recent years. And capital needs and infrastructure needs ‸ play a much bigger role in the utility spending than they do on the general fund side. Whereas the general fund is mostly personnel and operating, the utility has a huge obligation to capital projects. And they're very costly. So that plays a key part of the
rate considerations.
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A successful financial management plan for a utility just kind of ensures that you address three main components. Sufficient cash flow to cover the annual recurring expenses and fund capital with cash. Maintaining a sufficient reserve balance. So it's ‸ a higher requirement on the utility side because disruptions in service, you want to avoid those at all costs. Infrastructure is expensive and there's the threat of failure with infrastructure. So you want to make sure you have a healthy ‸ balance in the bank account to cover those.
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then finally, debt service coverage plays an important role on the utility side. You want to make sure you have sufficient revenues to cover your annual debt service for rating purposes. You want to get the best credit rating possible from the agency standpoint.
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If a project came
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capacity to take on that debt and afford the annual payments.
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and sewer. Most recently in 2025, you
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rates that the city was able to implement.
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But going forward with the 4% annual increases, we're showing that that's what's necessary for a sustainable plan.
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top-left graph, ‸ that fund balance graph for the savings account, you can see that you're maintaining your reserves at or above that six-month target throughout the 10-year forecasting period. And you're funding a significant amount of capital with those revenues, too.
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And currently the assumption is that there's no debt utilized to fund those capital projects. This is cash-funded capital. It's also utilizing some grants that we know are ‸ potential for some projects in the future. You can kind of see that in that bottom middle graph in the center, that light blue portion of those bars is the grant funding for some of those projects. So we're making sure to apply that so that you don't ask
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to pay for what grants will offset. So that's incorporated into the plan. So the conclusion there is that the 4% is necessary and sufficient to cover the utility expenses. Yes, sir. Help
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I'm looking at that bar right on the edge.
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you elaborate on telling me why.
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It's like a bumper year. You get what I'm saying? Yes,
sir. Yeah.
Is that we're waiting on potential growth to reach our revenues?
So that's a big part of that is related to the graph right underneath it. So in those years where you have really high capital projects planned, a lot of projects in that CIP, you're going to spend down a lot of cash. And if it went below that black line, then we would suggest that you look at higher increases. But because you're able to just maintain that balance and then you kind of recover from it in the future, it's okay.
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And that's why we do these annual updates because if any of those costs grow and ‸ we end up showing that under the black line, we might have to suggest a higher rate increase in order to avoid that.
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Yes, sir.
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gallons of usage. With
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for ‸ the average customer.
I have a question.
Yes, ma'am.
This does not include the public service tax, right? Which is 10% on top of whatever the water bill is?
So this is just purely the rates, the fixed-in-volume rates. So it's not the full bill. And I think also there's solid waste on your utility bill, too. So it's just the water. ‸ But
for the water and relative to other municipalities, that knocks us up quite a bit. And I understand that every utility, every municipality in Florida could charge a public service tax. But when I did a search in Brevard County, it was just us and Titusville.
Of
course, it was an AI search. They're notoriously wrong. But it does ‸ give some credence to complaints I've heard. We get a lot of complaints about our water bills being higher than others. Yes. So I was here when that 10% well,
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when that 10% public service tax was put into effect.
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So it's pretty significant. And it ends up being it ends up really pushing us up there in terms of the relative our relative water bills.
Yes. So I would just say that I didn't research if any of these other utilities have that. But I know that if they did, it's not reflected in the survey. So the survey I just get from their whatever rate schedule they have online.
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So if they do have a utility service public service tax, it would be in addition to what's shown on the survey. So and then ‸ yeah, I can't speak to which ones do and which ones don't.
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Really?
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And we can look into that, too, more. And then that's something that we can include in the future on the survey, too, the public service tax component of each bill. So you can see how that plays a factor.
Because that makes a big difference.
Well, and it's also
it's
percentage. These are percentages on top we're raising percentages, and there are percentages on top of that. So it's you know, just to be as transparent as possible.
Where does that public service tax what does that go for?
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put ‸ up closer to Cape Canaveral.
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Oh, ‸ it goes to the general fund, I believe.
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It
was originally the previous city manager ‸ had proposed it to increase administrative salaries. ‸ And so but at that time, it was, as a percentage, a much smaller amount than it is now. I got you.
So you're just only getting the numbers. You're not getting the additional attachments. Yeah, there could
be And
that should be denoted that when you try to compare apple to apple to oranges to oranges, starting from Cape Canaveral, Cocoa Beach, Rockledge. They get their water from where?
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And even Titusville. Do we still give them or sell them a million gallons of water a day still?
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Okay.
But they can't
they
have the building.
Right. ‸ So my thing is when you, you know, get detail, you know, when we look
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down, ‸ look at it through the microscope, then we can compare apple to apple, oranges to oranges.
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also on electrical. It's on natural gas, too. So they do
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It's on all utilities. So that's a lot. We're going to tell
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And it could be on cable and telecommunications. That's right.
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I know the county has it on there.
And the 10% on that $1.31 increase would be 13 cents, even though it is an increase.
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This is a combined bill of water and sewer costs at an average usage of 4,000 gallons. So the combined impact of the 4% on both those rates is 344 a month for the average rate payer.
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the same survey as before, ‸ but we just denoted which of these other utilities also have rate increase plans. It's very, very common for utilities to have a rate increase plan in place and increase their rates annually because their costs they're all everyone is experiencing cost increases and pressure from that. So Palm Bay has an average increase of about 3 to 4%. Deltona has 5% increases. And then some of these other communities have passed through increases depending on who their water provider is.
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that denoted today? We got an increase in inflation?
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no, no, universally as a nation as a whole.
Yeah.
That's all I want to know. As everything increases, so will inflation. That's that? We try to keep it at a minimum but still maintain that level of integrity and accountability.
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Go ahead, sir.
So finally, we have the stormwater forecast and results to review. ‸ The background with the stormwater fund, there's an assessment program in place that's on the tax bill just like the fire assessment, and it pays for the stormwater operations capital. There's also reserve requirements of savings account for the stormwater fund.
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and sewer utility, to incorporate the cost of inflation and other cost pressures. The capital plan that I will show you is currently the plan is to cash fund, but with stormwater, grants also play a big factor. If grants can be acquired for stormwater projects that can help offset the pressure on rates, and capital is a big component for stormwater.
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The capital projects are expensive. There's also expensive vehicles that are necessary, and maintaining the infrastructure that's in place is also an important component. So the slide here summarizes the results of ‸ the financial model update. And at the top, you'll see that we've denoted where the rate increase plan is that we're actually recommending, and what's built into the budget is a 0%, so holding the current stormwater assessment rate flat.
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from 4% to 2%. So this year when we updated the model and worked with staff, we looked at, okay, if we reduced it again to 0%, how would that work for the projection? And the ‸ plan was still sustainable. It's important to point out we do pick up the 4% increases again back in next year.
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or not. But for now, we're incorporating that into the 10-year forecast, so the 4% increases are there beginning next year, or beginning the year after next, in 2027. So the fund balance and the ‸ savings account on the left-hand side is sustainable. There's one dip in 28, and that's related to a ‸ large project that's planned out there in 28. But then those balances ‸ recover afterwards. But for now, ‸ this just reflects the current capital plan. If additional needs or capital projects were identified, water quality or drainage improvements, ‸ that would impact the plan, and we'd have to adjust accordingly. ‸ But overall, the result is good news that the rate increase isn't necessary to maintain the balanced budget for ‸ fiscal year 26.
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job.
And this survey shows where the annual stormwater rate is currently for the City of Cocoa. And it's going to stay the same with no rate increase. So you're pretty much in the middle of the survey. And I know a lot of these other cities and utilities are proposing increases. Titusville, I know, has an increase of about 25% to theirs.
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Stormwater rates around the state have had an increased focus and pressure. Stormwater problems are very relevant to the state of Florida.
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And grants may not be as available in the future to pay for those projects. So we're seeing a lot of stormwater rate increases around the state. ‸ Just
one comment. Yes, ma'am.
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the Palm Coast.
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That's the average size of impervious area.
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If you have more impervious area, which generates more runoff, essentially, ‸ during storm events, you'll pay more for the stormwater infrastructure because you're putting more demand ‸ on the infrastructure from generating more runoff. But that's a good point. I forgot to mention that this is Tier 2, which is the average residential. And the Tier
1 would be right above
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Yeah,
so
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be further down there on the list. Correct. ‸ And Tier 1, I believe, is 2,400 square feet or lower of impervious. So it's pretty small units. Because that also includes...
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in apartments.
Yeah, so for each unit ‸ in the apartment, they'd pay a Tier 1 stormwater rate. So it would
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But for single-family homes, it's not... I think it's ‸ pretty
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taken into consideration.
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when you take all the other features of impervious. Even if there's a porch or a deck or anything like that, that's all impervious surface.
Does
the location
also determine which Tier you're located at? Or no? No, sir.
Yep.
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‸ So if I lived on a conservation lake,
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Okay. All right. I'm just trying to understand the correlation of it. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you.
And then finally, the summary of the results.
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We're recommending the millage rate is maintained for the general fund at the current rate. That provides a sustainable forecast. ‸ The fire assessment, we recommend
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rates. And then for stormwater this year, no increase to the assessment rate. And then the potential for increases to the stormwater rate in the future. So that's the conclusion of my presentation. And I'd be happy to answer any more questions. But thank you for having me.
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Mr. Mayor, just one correction on my part. The county does not have the public service.
Okay.
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now.
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So if you don't have questions for Mr. Napoli... Thank you.
I'm going
to move on to the next portion of... I do want to take a moment of personal privilege and ask Mr.
Greg
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to actually get that young man's name that's sitting beside you. I think it's very appropriate to the subject that he wants to talk about. That's
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The fourth. The fourth.
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Ralph works with Stantec and works with
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And he does all the hard work with the analysis and building the financial models.
So thank you guys again.
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to take us through that. Mr. Mayor, if you're okay.
Yes,
sir. And so we'll
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Okay. So
Mayor and City Council, this is
part of the budget overview process that we normally do each year to kind of review where we're at with the budget.
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on a proposed millage rate, which will go out on the notice of proposed property taxes coming out from the property appraiser. And just to remind you all, we do have the truth and millage laws that we need to comply with. So this is one of the steps in the trim process. So what we normally do each year is kind of review what kind of new revenue we observed in the budget and then what kind of new expenditures were observed in the budget. So we did have, as was just reviewed,
a
6.1, 6.6% avalorum increase. So that amounted to about $803,000. You notice the franchise fees and the utility service taxes have increases of over $600,000. We went back and reviewed what we had been budgeting in prior years and the revenue has come in stronger than what we had been budgeting. So we adjusted the budget in fiscal year 26 to recognize that revenue.
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If you will recall last year, we budgeted about $900,000 for investment interest. That was a risk that I decided was reasonable in that particular year.
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may well have observed in your personal lives, on investments they've come down. So to get back to being more conservative, I reduced the investment interest revenue
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As was just reviewed, the increase for the special assessment for fire is about $295,000. The charges for services, which is the city charging other utilities for billing their utility services for them, increases about $269,000. State shared revenue is increasing about $125,000. And then every year we have to go back implicit with doing all these studies that Mr. Napoli had just gone over. We have to recalculate what that return investment is on the utility with the payment in lieu of franchise fees is or
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And then what the cost of services is for utilities. If you'll notice, the cost
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We just went through, ‸ again, another review this year of the calculation of the cost of services. We do that roughly every three to five years. And so this was the year that we needed to do that. And some of the assumptions that we have built in for increases were a little too high. So in previous years that may have been a higher increase, but now this has been adjusted back down to a more reasonable estimate of
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value of the capital assets of the utility system. So it was a pretty healthy increase of $809,000 this year due to a lot of capital being added, which is projects being completed by the utility fund in the previous fiscal year.
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not just increases in spending, but what kind of significant expenditures ‸ are built into the budget. So as the city manager had noted for you previously, all the
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And it's important that we try to fund everything with recurring revenue rather than relying on cost savings from previous years, which goes back into the fund balance to then pull money back out of fund balance to fund our needs.
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there were still some things that were deferred, that were requests. But he was able
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The salary increases that are built into ‸ the budget, some are contractual. And then the city manager built in increases for non-union employees. So all those salary increases amounted to about $450,000 for general fund. Operating increases were $707,000 for various purposes. Whether it's inflation, there's some discussions we had about tariffs and having to increase costs because of tariffs. And so that all amounted to $707,000. If you will recall, last year,
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the new parks agreement.
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unsure if there are going to be some unexpected capital needs.
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there was a problem with the air conditioning at the Jolie Smith Center.
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something breaks and it's on the city to pay for those things.
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Liability insurance also increased about $107,000. And as a reminder, whenever there's an increase in the property taxes, a portion of that then needs to get transferred over to the CRAs to fund the CRAs and their tax increment funding. So that was about $137,000. So the total increases or significant expenditures are about $3.9 million.
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the major capital requests are. As the
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street paving. Previously,
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Some miscellaneous vehicles.
We
are funding seven police vehicles with that recurring fund balance.
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There's a generator that needs to be replaced at station one. And so that's a need to have that backup power for the fire station. And then
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So this slide is showing you a comparison of the budget between
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of the third line down there. The water and sewer fund transfers money out to fund large capital projects. So ‸ you see there
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the utility fund.
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And then the water and sewer fund had other increases that make up that $12 million.
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rest of the funds really did not increase that much. Very moderate increases overall in their particular budgets. And then down there at the bottom, the building permits fund, you see that 61% increase. That's due to the new positions being added to the fund. So some of the challenges and changes that may occur that we still don't know about. The city council have requested the city manager to have staff talk to waste management about bulk green waste pickup due to people putting the green waste out on their sidewalks, driveways, roadways. And so staff is currently working with waste management, trying to figure out what that cost would be. And
we've had one meeting, maybe two meetings. They've given us a proposal.
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And I think I meet tomorrow with one of the representatives to talk about where we are on that. So at some point, we'll be able to bring something back to the council in terms of what we're really talking about is an additional, ‸ arguably scheduled pickup so that you don't have to call me.
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And the way that works with the solid waste pickup as well is that increase in the contract value would be passed on to the customer as well. So also there's challenges in recruiting and retaining police and fire. You all probably read about what's going on with firefighters in Brevard County. That's going to create that pressure on the fire department here at the city again on the wages and retaining this staff. There's issues with recruiting and retaining general employees that have the appropriate education and or experience for their positions. Funding capital requirements with
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Again, the goal is to pay, use your recurring revenue to pay for your needs. Insurance premium
cost
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the dependent care.
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the city pays for individual coverage. But when it comes to anyone more than the individuals, then the employee is supposed to be paying for that cost. And right now
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employee plus dependents insurance.
Can I ask why? Why are we paying 77% when it should all be 50?
That's a matter of policy matter about passing that cost on to employees.
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council ‸ is deciding not to pass that cost on to the employees. So over the
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in the door and make that correction. So to get from 77% to 50% is a tremendous financial impact on employees. So, ‸ but it is a policy decision of the council. Again, difficult to get there from year to year, difficult to get there in a short period of time. But there's obviously a big delta between a stated policy or goal of 50% and actually being at 77%.
Okay. And then, um, the last thing, a challenge is keeping up with growth, um, by developing long-term plans for additional public safety staff and infrastructure with the development. Obviously, eventually the city's going to have to build a new fire station. Um, adding police officers, adding ‸ firefighters may need to add public work staff, street staff. And so it's how do you fund that and keep up with it?
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to include one police officer and one firefighter with a plan to add one each year to try and get up to that. Because that would be a significant increase in costs if we just said we're adding a whole new station, whole new shifts, um, due to the cost of employees overall.
And
I
think quite honestly, before police and fire, um, and they can tell you how many vacancies they have, but it would be difficult to actually fund five positions and just have them sit there. So it didn't make sense, uh, to actually, uh, fund vacant positions there.
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the competition is stiff for, uh, fire and police there. And, and,
and
so I think just to add them each year, to try to fill them each year,
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how many vacancies you have right now?
I
think we're doing better than most, but, but again,
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I have about 10. So, so again, why add positions that are just gonna, just gonna ‸ be vacant there? Um, that was the thought process on that, um, budget message, just to sort of take you through that before you get to your discussion. Uh, it, it, it sort of reiterates everything that was, uh, said here today or everything that was said here today, reiterates what's in the budget message there. And so again, we take you through, uh, what are your stated council priorities ‸ there? You, you are familiar with those on the first page on the second page. Um, we talked to you about the rates again, the tax rate,
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the water utility rates, uh, again, part of the fact that we're not using fund balance to, uh, to meet on the general fund side.
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We've given you the proposed, uh, pay adjustments that are either contractually obligated or for, uh, the non union employees. You can see that there's only one, um, increase that we've not been able to present to you because I think we're still in negotiations with them. The lieutenants. So we're still in negotiations with the lieutenants. We've
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page three, we've actually given you a more detailed listing of that, uh, for, for the general fund, the water sewer. ‸ For the storm water fund. Uh, and then at the bottom of the page, we talk about the staffing enhancements that I advise you of. Again, you can see that only two, um, three of those positions are actually coming from the general fund with the other being out of the general fund, but through the cost allocation plan. So it's, it's really paid for by water and sewer. And that's the utility support accounting technician. Um, obviously you can see it's very expensive to add police officers and firefighters. Um, and then on page four, uh, you can see that the building permit ‸ fund is really funding. Um, most of the, of the, uh, funding, all of the, the permit tech positions that are, that, that is added the two code enforcement officers and the one building plans examiner. Uh, and then just one position being added in utility brief discussion on medical insurance. And then we give you the discussion on property tax value, property values and tax rates. And we give you a historical on that. And so, Mr. Mayor, we are, uh, at the point where we're at council discussion.
Council deputy mayor weeks. I know you had an additional question. I did, sir.
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Uh, I would, um, in the pages that we get, um, full city expenses, all the, all of them.
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happened over and over. So maybe you can explain, um, that, uh, it'll have at the top, uh, regular salaries and then down retirement contributions. And then some of
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what the salaries are. And I'm trying to figure out what, if you could explain the, the, why the retirement, um, contributions and, you know, it's by, by different departments.
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I was going through this earlier and I'm trying to find one that shows, um, some are, are, are low. And then some are higher, ‸ like, uh, uh, ‸ water administration that has the salaries, 190,000, but they're given retirement contributions, 219,000. So
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Oh yeah. I'm like I said, I was marking so many of them. Finally, I just said, I saw such a pattern that I thought, well, are
you
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I'm looking at the, uh, for 2026. You're going on
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58, correct? Well, I was on 71, but, uh,
uh,
58 probably has it too. There's a lot of them.
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looking like here, regular salaries and then, uh, this retirement's 161. But many of them are, are the retirement's higher.
There are two lines, actually three.
Um,
‸ so this 12 account and this 13 account.
Mm-hmm.
And I believe there's an 11 account also. The sum of all those or all the different types of salaries.
Oh,
okay. Okay.
Times
whatever the percentage is for the retirement.
Mm-hmm.
Police and fire rank. If I'll have different percentages than FRS.
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sum of the numbers times the percent.
So there's a number of salaries here. Yep. And then this is all the retirement for those people. Uh, retirement contributions is where to go. Anyway, this ‸ one, it's low, the fire pension.
But
see, you also have
fire in the state. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some of those
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like that. Yeah. So you have
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I
understand better.
Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate that. I just, I had caught that and going through it and I was going, I would like that explained and I forgot to ask when we were meeting upstairs.
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And
so
at this early stage, I think this is the first time we've actually given you the detail. I would say if you have questions, certainly feel free to call the directors. I would expect that they would be able to explain what's in there in their budget.
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Um, so, um, I
think we're going to be a little bit more.
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I know last year in January when we met, we had that summation. We discovered or the summary of the year was that we had, um,
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revenues. I think it was 12 million or something lower and expenses.
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So we ended up with, uh,
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we going to be closer to the mark? I mean, I wasn't sure how to read that.
I
think we all felt really good that we had all that extra money, but when you talk to citizens, they're a little concerned that we're collecting, you know, more than, than, um, what we're actually projecting. We need,
I think you're referring to when the financial statements were presented and the changes in fund balance.
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the financial statements are the real numbers. Um, and so we do a budget based on estimates based on historical information or like as, um, Mr. Napoli stated, you know, you, you're taking percentages and doing projections. We're looking at revenue collections from previous ‸ years. And so we try to budget as closely as we can to what we anticipate that we may get.
Um,
last year, if you'll recall, when I presented the financial statements, I have been doing some active investing because of the interest rates and taking advantage of those interest rates. And so there was a significant amount of money that was earned in general fund because I was taking a lot of money and investing it in a very liquid investment in accordance with the investment plan. And so that's why there was that increase.
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years has been based on cost savings because we figure that they're not going to spend everything. For example,
um,
chief Collier just said, he's got 10 vacancies. Well, that's saving money. Essentially. We planned on him being fully staffed for the whole year, but he's not. And so we wind up with saving some money and revenue state revenue. We never know exactly where it's going to be. We look at the trend and we try and budget as closely as we can to what we're observing the trend to be.
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They're not taking.
If the citizens approve this property,
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Thank you. So how are we going to generate revenue? Are
you
referring to something that's going to be on the ballot? Yeah,
I think the context of that is, is that there's already talk in
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Um, about putting, uh, eliminate, an elimination of the property tax on the ballot. And so, so session closes and then they immediately go to the discussion of that topic.
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again in the legislative session. I think their, their new strategy is, is to actually send it to the voters for, for a vote of the voters.
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Is
there any state that doesn't have property tax?
I asked that.
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I don't think so. I don't
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Jeff did mention that last night.
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Maybe a territory. He's looking it up.
Yeah, because I thought he did say something about that last night.
That's what's getting ready to happen.
I
think there may be. But I'm not.
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says no.
Every state
has a property tax. Every state
has a property tax. Yeah,
could, how would, how would you. Leave that alone.
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So my question. I see everything that we got built out in the budget. These are projections. I know something big for me that I would love to see projected in the budget.
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Would that be already
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Abby, you know, you know if you have, how much you have for that off the top of your head?
For signage?
Yeah.
And when I speak of signage,
I
mean like some of the, our corridors when you first
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I
would love to see that updated. Yeah.
I
mean multiple cities around the county and they've, they've all done a great job with their, updating the signage. So she does
have a small, a small budget for that. And
you're working on the four corners vision. Yeah.
So
we're,
and
then, and then we do, we do have budgeted, which I think we'll start this year for the medians. Yeah. To, to, uh, do some landscaping in the medians. Um, and so the signage is, uh, as those are brought to her attention,
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which she said is 15,000.
So
we might need to increase
that. I was going to say,
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And that's such a big thing now with all the, I mean, if you go out there, it is nonstop cars going off and on going to and from the port. And it really would be nice to have something there. I know that that whole interchange will change at some point, but we really need something that says, tells people from out of town where they're coming.
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anytime you're there, there are cars from all over the country in that, in that area. ‸ And of course that's my district. So I care about that too, but once the bright line gets constructed, ma'am. Yes. Yeah, I know, but it would still be nice. Yeah.
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need to be big, but something that says, welcome to Coco. Four times. Amen.
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Again, this is just that particular topic.
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‸ this is what we do. We
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I
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hear from everyone. Doesn't matter who goes first.
So I guess I'll finish this. I started. So, uh, the signage and the streetscaping was big for me. Um, seems like that's
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already looked at. ‸ So I appreciate that.
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Um,
that's a big, uh, priority for me as well.
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meetings, just, uh, ensuring that we have personnel. That's, uh, cleaning up litter on the side of our streets.
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major highways, ‸ but throughout the inner city as well. Um,
fifth
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Boulevard primarily, um, Dixon Boulevard as well. Um, and that's all I have right now.
You all in previous council meeting talked about like when individuals are evicted from housing. And they, right, they leave a pile of trash there from clothing to cabinets to chest of drawers to. And whatever all those terms, bedding, et cetera, et cetera.
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they can, you know, um, pick their, it's their, it's the former residents. So it's their property. Is there any way that we can enforce them and hold them accountable to as well as we would do with our ordinary citizens? You get what I'm saying? Am I making myself clear? Okay. That will be something you all brought that up. And I think that's a great idea.
Um,
I know.
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Yes. The, um, one consideration could possibly be a requirement to have, when you do an eviction where you have to throw someone out or throw their stuff out. You, you must, um, the owner must get a roll off dumpster because what's happening, this stuff sits out and waste management would not pick up and
they're
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throwing out everything.
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just throwing it all over the yard. And so that's the main issue, which I know would be a cost to the owner. But if it sits there, they're still going to get a code violation anyway.
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throwing it out. I think that's the issue.
Yeah. ‸ I will say, um, from the realtor point of view, um, that, uh, when they get evicted, um, and
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leases, the owner has in there that they are not responsible for the people's property and they actually can come and get their stuff. And I've seen them come back and ‸ get it. And there's a timeline for that. And then, uh, most of the owners call and have it picked up most responsible owners. I understand that all of them, but they do try and give them time if they want to come and get their stuff after they've been evicted.
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set
that timeframe. But we said a policy set a timeframe for what that is, because
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they don't live here. So they don't really care most of the time.
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uh, ‸ no
new tenant would want to move in with all that stuff over the yard.
Well, that's my point. Yeah. So how do you, how do, how do we mandate that they, um,
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it has to fall back on the owner at that point. So ‸ what,
time frame
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does that start? I think that's the conversation.
Do we, can you just call, you can call waste management. Yeah. That picked up
and they'll, they'll, I've seen them. I've seen
that stuff sit out for months.
Yeah.
And, and it should not be sitting out for months. I will tell you, I had it recently where the tenants left, left stuff everywhere themselves. And the owner had everything moved out to the street. Waste management was called and it took them two weeks to come pick ‸ it up.
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didn't and they didn't. So the owners try and do the right thing. But if waste management doesn't come, what else can they do at that point?
Yeah. I know we try to protect the owners. Yeah.
I get that.
But, but we do have a lot of negligent owners. No,
I,
I
got
you. But
we
have a lot of good ones too. We do. We do have
a lot of good ones. And ‸ I guess that's, that's what we are
as far as what, what, what policy do we set?
I mean, if they can say to you, look, I called waste management three times and they still haven't come and picked it up. Like through code enforcement.
Yeah.
I
mean,
in the contract too, because if it's separated properly and they make a call and we, we do have, and that's the, those are the sort of things we're talking with waste management about.
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the yard trash is co-mingled with the bulk house waste there, whatever that's, that's a. And so that's the issue there. But what we have found a couple of provisions in the contract that waste management was not, um, complying with there. We've notified them of that. I can't think of them off the top of my head, but how do you remember? Tagging.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. They're actually supposed ‸ to tag the pile if it, if it is co-mingled in the contract and it says they're supposed to tag it. And so those are the conversations that ‸ we're having with waste management.
All right.
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Um, let's. Buckle down and get to your issues. Um, because I know we scheduled this from five to seven.
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have other obligations that I need to.
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This is the wish list request. Correct. Yes, ma'am. Yes sir. Yes. So, okay. The floor is yours for the sake of time. I'm asking you to state your top priorities and then move forward.
Uh,
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I'm really glad to hear we're going to be focusing in on the corridors. I think that is essential to changing our image. No matter how much we bring down crime and everything else. And if we look blighted, um, in our corridors in particular, because we have, they're so well traveled to get to the rest of the county. Um, that that's an important investment for us. We've already invested quite a bit on us one. So just, you know, trying to pick that up and maintain it. And then the other would be,
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Seeing that filled, I looked at the property that was available and that's really not an appropriate property.
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So, you know, I have high hopes for some sort of plan.
because
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you know, I don't think, I mean, I think we have to have, we have to see that, you know, there are projects such as a park, for example, that
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So, um, those two things. And of course I want to see continued, uh, funding for the museums. I think that as we are growing, we talk about needing more police, needing more fire, but we're also going to find, we need more attractions, quality of life type issues.
Um,
and so we have to have some aspirations. I'll pass it on.
Um, well, my top is the Cocoa Conservation Area and hopefully we can, um, get my bridge over the, over the wetlands so we can get back there from 524. Uh, because that was very affordable to do. And, um, and I know it has been brought to the attention that TPO thinks they're going to put some wetland. I mean, some, uh, retention ponds in the Cocoa Conservation Area or they're going to try. And, uh, I would really like, uh, that's not to, if we can stop that from happening. Um, and also, you know, get, uh, get some, another entrance in with signage, uh, so that, um, that that place is utilized because it's such a gem and it's so underutilized at this point.
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we got those, uh, done. The, um, the tennis courts, they had, uh, watch out underneath and some of those things that needed to be taken care ‸ of. Um, and, um, personally, I wish we could reduce and do rollback millage.
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He plugged it in to show and our numbers were still good 10 years out by doing that. Granted, our little blues were down lower, but our black line was still
good. Yeah, I should have been in that meeting because I'll challenge Pete to say that your numbers are still good 10 years out if you go to rollback. Well,
we've been looking at that chart for, you know, the six years I've been here and we've always, they're always consistently
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They underestimate our revenues.
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If we go back,
I've been saving all my stuff.
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I would, I can argue that with anybody that if you go to a rollback millage, especially when you're only getting, what are we getting from proposed millage next year?
In total?
Yeah.
Um, that's about 13 million.
So 13 million, the police department is 14 million. And so you go to a rollback millage, you've lost that revenue forever.
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because again, it just doesn't, doesn't happen that way. But, but again, I get it. The,
the,
and it's all a product of if you have the huge property value increase, I get, you know, so you got to have the one before you can even think ‸ about the other, you know, because remember on the chart,
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And now we're 6.1, you know, and so we have, we have, we have those big valuation increases coming later, hopefully. But again, going to roll back is, is challenging, especially in the city of Cocoa. Um, let me, can I, can I talk a little bit about the TPO wanting to do retention ponds
in
‸ the conservation area, which is not their idea, but it's, it's, it's our idea. Because if you think of
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Uh
huh.
And so why wouldn't you make those bigger that are more of an amenity for folks who are visiting the Cocoa Conservation Area. And at the same time, you're not recreating and having to acquire new property for retention ponds for the widening of 524. So
that was the thought
process there
because you would not consider a stormwater pond biologically ecologically. A stormwater pond is not the same thing as a natural body of water. Okay.
Um,
their ecology is really different. And unless you have a lot of pre-treatment going on for the stormwater. Um, I mean,
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And you would have pre-treatment of the stormwater.
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Again, including the treatment of the stormwater, um, but also, uh,
uh,
amenitizing the, uh, the ponds. And
create,
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Um, and, and then facilitating the
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because that's less right-of-way, less private property that, that FDOT has to go out and get. So, so again, just
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thought there in the design there, they, they may not even, uh, take us up on that. Remember, we
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acres. We now have the one acre that, uh, that we got from, uh, the Walmart distribution center. So we do have some ability to utilize those properties to,
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That was all the discussion was. So, um, okay.
Um, well, I did not know it came from our side.
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that I would agree that that would be a wise thing to do in the Cocoa Conservation Area. Um, it's something that would need to be studied. Yeah. It would need to be studied. Um, and the reason I talked about the rollback rate is because I have, especially in the senior community in my district, um, uh, many of them are all on fixed incomes and all the increases in the water and then the fire and everything else, um, hits them in the wallet really hard. And so I would love to see if we can to give them at least a little break on their, on their property taxes. Um, ‸ or somewhere they need to, ‸ I feel like they need a break. I mean, to some people the little bit maybe doesn't matter, but those little bits have added up year after year after year. And we keep going up, up, up.
The percentages.
Yeah. And so I just, like I said, when he plugged it in and, uh,
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and it, you know, I just said, what would it look like if you went to the rollback rate? And so he did. And, um, and I meant to ask him to do it here and my brain was on other things and I didn't, I apologize. But anyway, um, I would just like it to
be considered. When it
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would
probably not be paying property tax based on being a senior. But do they contribute to our revenue? Yeah, they pay property taxes. They pay even our, even our cities as well. Yeah.
It's taxable value. And so if you got 62% of the
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know, and remember that's, that's just, I mean, you got some that are under $50,000 in taxable value. You got some, you know, but, but, but again, that, that, you know, so, so it's a dynamic. It's, it's, you can have somebody right beside you paying twice as much in property taxes as you're paying there. And so, and so, um, you know, so it is how you get to that taxable value. And again, a lot of our properties are, uh, not again at the hundred thousand dollars and then there's a step down from there. So,
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The exemptions that, um, people get that they pay close to nothing.
Yeah. Yeah. So, and that takes you, that takes you to the taxable value, the exemptions, as well as market, minus the exemptions, which takes you to the, now, when we say 62,000 aren't at that,
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value there. So, so again, um, but, but again, I mean, you know, rollback, rollback discussion has always been there.
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could come up with where everybody gets a tax break, but again, you wouldn't be able to fund any services, you know?
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No one, that their incomes are not increasing. Property values might increase. So they may have some more value there, but incomes and I
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you're not seeing those
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of percentage increases. Um,
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it's like the question I get is, well, is the city doing anything to tighten up? Because we don't show them that if we are, we don't show them. Um, that word needs to get out. Um, but yeah, so yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and of course, when we've been doing the water rates and the stormwater rates and it's going up and up, up and it's percentages. So we're now paying what twice as much for water as we were when I started on console,
you
know, almost twice as much. Um, so, and the public, their salaries aren't increasing like that, at least not in most of our neighborhoods. Um,
so, you
know,
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And so I can guarantee you when Pete ran his scenario of the rollback rate, the, on the expenditure side, the assumptions were static.
Right. You know,
and, and you,
and you, you know, the price of everything, as you just said, is going to go up, you know? And so, and so guarantee you,
he
didn't, he didn't run a non-static sort of model on the expenditure side.
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and, and the pedestrian bridge over the, uh, over the, what is that? Detention.
Yeah.
Yeah. Retention area.
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I'm talking both ‸ sides there. Mm-hmm.
And
so you, you, you literally would have no parking if you were even able to get a bridge over the
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So,
yeah, the point was for them to park across the road at
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Mm-hmm.
At least, at least for now. And do a crosswalk and people go across. I mean, I, I mean, it's there with the bathrooms, but people, you know, would be, we'd be able to put a sign and have it there where people know, look, you can go back here and walk in nature. And, um, and it's right there near, again, the train station
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near everything. And, and the bridge was, I guess, you know, for me far less than than I thought it would be.
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the splash pad that's sitting there. So I just thought that that would work at least.
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appear to be too much of the naysayer here, but, but, you know, so I'll, I'll, I mean, the,
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remember that's a state road. It's, it's, it's, uh, proposed to be widened, widened.
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And so I don't think that FDOT is going to approve a crosswalk across that.
Well,
they
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is in the new apartments across the road right there.
At
the, at lights there. Yeah. But,
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again, and I know what, uh, I think Billy gave you in terms of the, you know, the, the cost
of the, the, the, the, um,
the
cost
of the, the, from
a lady who does that. Yeah. Right.
Right. But we're bringing that item back to you. Okay.
Great. I just, ‸ as far as my, you know, priorities, that was, that was just, you know, one of them. And, and like I said, I want to see is somehow give the people a break, whether it's, you know, less of a water increase or property tax decrease, because I'm hearing from folks how hard they're struggling, especially our seniors. And we do have a good number of seniors and there's a senior community in my, in my district. So, um, you know,
I
mean, I think we would all like to see the people in the lower end, get some sort of a break, um, from all the rising costs.
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Yeah. Well, I
had
two questions. Well, first question is the ‸ 90,000.
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What are they? That was a pedestrian bridge and it was from a company that actually builds them. So she, uh, she looked at it and gave us the cost of what it would be to build a bridge, a pedestrian bridge, four foot wide over that. Something
similar to
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not over the road.
It's over, just over the water.
Over the water. Yep. From 524 ‸ over the water to get back to the conservation area. Since that's, it's right. She saw right where a right of way is that we already own and it goes right through that. So I said, well, let's go over it and
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So that's what she gave us the price for.
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So
yeah. And my second point was, I know, I mean, I'm, I'm in agreeance that I wish we could lower everything. ‸ Right. But, but just like the paving conversation, you, you know, five, six years ago, we probably
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But now that same paving, that same road, you know, we have to go up to $500,000 for our paving budget.
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It's just, and so now do we make a sacrifice and, you know, not do those projects? Do we, you know, I'm with you. Yeah. It's just, it's tough,
you know.
It is tough. It is tough. And that's why ‸ I brought, bring it up to say, you know, this is what I'm hearing. This is what I would like to see us somehow do.
Yeah.
Whatever that is, give.
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the tax, in addition to going up on the water, you know, that's, it's like we're double hitting them.
Well, particularly with water, because I mean, we have, that, that is our enterprise. And so you would think there'd be some.
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They do. You know that answer already. It was worth a shot.
But if you
keep chiseling away everything, you have nothing.
That's true.
You have nothing. I'm just, I'm being honest. And we're looking at services. We have to provide that service.
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respond to show up at that door ‸ three, 10 minutes late,
because
we gave you a break? That's the thing. They want immediate services right then and there on the spot. I'm 65 plus years old. I live on a fixed income.
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I mean, we all have to make sacrifices.
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Yes.
And my students go
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lawnmower.
I don't. But the point that I'm saying, ladies and gentlemen, I mean, we can't just keep chipping away because what, what we have,
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department and also for with our police department.
We
get an insurance break on that when we have top notch quality services. So I'm just saying I would love to be able to give them that break. But that's to me, that's not the real world. It's not.
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It's in the news right now. It's not even five hours old. And it's already being televised and
advertised.
Oh,
that's
like a one quarter, or one month actually. Yeah, the
month of June escalated to 2.7% inflation increase. So you might as well just say 3%.
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All I'm saying, ladies and gentlemen, when you come here, walk down in that downtown area and walk throughout our city and our communities. Safety is the first priority to in and everyone else. Then comes the education. Then this location, location, location will be the determining factor on where it's at. This plan that we've established is working. Give it a chance. That's all I'm asking. Give it a chance. Yes. When we get those homes out there on 528, Cocoa Windward, and is it Cocoa Groves on both the north and south side of it? 528,
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That's additional revenues. Right. That will benefit us so that we can provide that quality service for the citizens of Cocoa. That's all I'm asking.
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But we want to keep our quality personnel because that's what we're doing.
And I believe, you know, I want to see our people paid well because a man is worthy of his hire. No doubt about it. And ‸ I will stick with that definitely. But again, I just wish we could find a way.
So he or she leaves
go to another community or another municipality for greater pay?
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wasn't green on that side and brought their
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And I'm going to just leave it like that. The floor is yours, sir.
Mr.
Beach.
Yep. I'll
make it real quick. Spoke about this a couple weeks ago. Something that I would really love to see in our city.
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A
little
bit.
All right. ‸ So actually, I just saw something. I think it was on the news about different venues leaving the county because ‸ a lack of event space here in Brevard County. So I'm just thinking of ways that we can maybe incorporate something like this event space in the city of Cocoa. I would love to see at the Bracco Pond location. We've got plenty of room out there. ‸ So I just pulled up some renderings and just to ‸ spark interest ‸ with you all. And ‸ maybe we can build off of that.
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And I know this isn't something we can do next year, but you know,
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at least ‸ put together a plan and concept and a vision. I would appreciate that.
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Within District 2, but I just don't have the venue there. I don't either. ‸ I
got the same. But you also said with ‸ like shutters so that the homeless won't
take
a home.
Correct. Correct.
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states and cities. So I just want, like I said, I just wanted to spark that interest and put it on you all's mind and we can build off of that at a later date.
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And so,
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really extravagant. Yeah,
I
love that. That's BCC.
Yeah.
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the trees. So
when I saw this rendering,
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also thought, like
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thought we had the Brightline location that's coming.
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So something like that could be created within that location. So, I just wanted to put it on you guys mind. I hope you, you think about that as we have our further meetings ‸ down the line.
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Green. Yeah.
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yours, is that
it, sir? Yes, sir.
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Not yet.
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Okay. All right.
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Yes. All right. The next question, public works,
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Yes.
Yes. Are you talking about the ADA equipment? There
you go.
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The equipment he taught me about.
I have
that issue. You got that issue. The, the, the, the, the street signs.
I
think, I, I think the last budget meeting, I might
have
discussed it. That we have a couple of streets where we have, uh, kids that, and adults that have autism.
And
people are speeding on these streets. I think F street was one of them.
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radar. That's
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yes.
And
then,
okay.
All right. Uh, next thing is, and we're not going to argue about this today. We're going
to
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All right. And so, um, I, I, I got the picture that last time I did, I know I, I don't have the folks
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Uh, I feel, I feel like I, I do not. But, but I, I think I want, I want to get an understanding on the, the goals that I have for the college museum have absolutely nothing to do with me.
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us to, uh, shake the trees and, and move forward, um, on opening a museum that we have in our community. And so in order to do that, uh, I was convinced by another guy that's in the audience, Mr. Stowe, at 11 o'clock at night.
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he, he, he opened my eyes. You
called me?
Yeah, I did. I did.
I
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Go ahead,
man.
You got some slides.
Yeah. And so, so the, the, the point was, he felt me beat my head against the wall. And so, to at least allow us to get rolling. Um, I will concede on having a person that, that we same, same pay that we already have at the other museum. We have
an attendant
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that's there.
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Um, but, but with a caveat, the caveat is we create a committee, uh, from the community, um, and allow us to come back, uh, once we establish this or make a decision on this, you know, we do a six month review or a year review, ‸ revisit this again in 2026 when it's time for budget season again.
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engagement, um,
uh,
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allow certain events. And one of the events that I, I, I talked to the mayor about on the dais was events where, uh, the community ‸ comes out and we have a Dr. Jolie Smith talk to me day or whatever.
or a dinner with community leaders that are that that was here during that time, the
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and the
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have just community conversations. I know that doing nothing is not what we need to do, but but I am willing to to say, hey, let's just move forward. I
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drop the ideal of the
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wherever that number was. But I really want to move forward with
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want to do it with being contentious. um I
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that we we don't need to do that, but but i do I do feel that the building needs to be be opened up, and so we allow that. So I took some of your idea when you said about, hey, we
have
that day of an event with city community members come in, ‸ we have whatever kind of event we choose, and then we can create this committee. however we choose to do that, we do it. ‸ we do selection of each council member, get two picks of a per of ‸ committee ‸ committee members to put on this committee, along with our assistance, I'm down with it. So um if if that's a consensus of yes, I don't know if that's
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agenda item for a city council meeting. Sound like it is.
Well, i mean it is. I think it's an agenda item.
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So I don't want this to sound like, I mean, he he puts his heart and soul into into uh anything he does. Yeah. I got ideas ‸ too. Staff has ideas too. And so, and so, you know, because there are colleges that have programs uh where you can get your degree. And
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or is in the process of saying, hey,
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who's getting their degree in whatever it's called? Have that person be the coordinator? um you know, you gotta, you gotta have staff before you have this committee, you know, we, ‸ we've done and that and staff actually puts the committee together, you know? ‸ and so, and so he has, he has a, a budgeted open intern slot. And so, I think
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universities. And so if you want to hear from him, he's, he can talk to you about that idea. But, but, ‸ I think you gotta at least allow us to go away and come back with, Hey, this is how we suggest that you do it because at the end of the day, when you look at the Hannibal Square,
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it.
And
again, it's it's it's the RFP is, you know, uh some of the same things that you would charge the intern with the the the college student with. It is, you got to build the volunteer corps. you you you got to go out and look for grants. you
got to,
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and we talk about, them these are conversations that we don't want to have right now, you
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the the museum.
Yeah.
You know,
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of the day. It's a this holistic uh conversation about, uh should it be the Leon
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you're going to get to a point in time where you're going to need to at least run one of your parks, one of your community centers with with organizations that are in the city or city staff there. And so, so I don't want to go too deep down the rabbit hole on that discussion there. But
why, why, I guess my, and I know why, but other people may not know why. yeah And so, I think that conversation need to be had because majority of PALS across the state of Florida are attached to a gymnasium in some sort of a way. Even though sports is not all what they do, ‸ but the gymnasium is a major part of that sports component, along with meeting rooms, which
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Smith has. ‸ Yeah.
And we've, we've, we've talked about, at least since I've been here, ‸ remember I was on the county side, so I took advantage of it there, you know. And so, so, you know, we've talked about controlling uh uh parks programming, you know, and really parks facility. Now, we don't have the financial work all to do that, but, but again, it's part of that larger discussion. I think we can bring something back to you that makes sense. um
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Who's ever mentioned at the last, uh council meeting about people paid vast sums of money to be museum curators. ‸ And I said, you know, that's the expertise that we need to leverage, but obviously not doing that with a full commitment to hiring somebody with not knowing what our needs are.
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they have undergraduate and graduate degrees and recent graduates, people who've gotten museum experience through internships at other locations around the country, and in some cases around the world, uh that we can open these opportunities up, have a chance to engage with a candidate to see what ‸ their expertise is, and and starting up an organization like we're looking for here at Leon and Jewel Collins, and
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uh Then we set them up with uh volunteers that we already
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and uh engage with other organizations, and let this person we've selected kind of organize hours, get it open, and see what they need in terms of exhibits and other support so we can bring it back and say, okay based on somebody who studied this, uh had experience elsewhere, this is what they found and
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in terms of exhibits and and direction we can take this, and we we allow leverage somebody's expertise who's kind of studying this, doing this, and maybe had some experience at another location, another museum, to bring that to
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So
I appreciate it. And so let us have that, let us bring back that discussion, that plan, course of action.
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um
‸ they left the Natural History Museum, and I think some of you know circumstances. ‸ Some things were separated from the museum. um
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year before they gave the museum back to us, they separated property and the trust.
okay okay
um you know, this is kind of, we're way after the fact, and nobody is willing to take it up at the time. But I mean, even working with an intern,
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And I think, you know, that the director in particular, just knowing his programming, he should have a real interest in seeing this thing succeed. And it's probably, you know, probably one of the people in the state with the most expertise in this area. So I mean, we need to lean on. Well,
I mean.
If
we need to get specific, I'm willing to go in there.
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the only problem I have, I don't know them personally, but but at the same time, um
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The only reason why I i believe, and
I'm
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talking to the previous city manager at the time, you know we funded their roofs at the time. ‸ Inside of that contract was them to come in and help
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at that time. And so, so to me, if if you are on that style of of organization
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and made that conversation when the building is all, is has been there from day one? that
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begging you to be a part of what we do. and And I believe, I want someone that's going to be compassionate about our community, compassionate about this museum, not someone that's in this building right behind us, that's literally two and a half miles away from the other museum, and that has not, far as i'm far as I know of,
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a conversation with our city manager about that moving forward in that direction. That's my only, just me as, forget forget council person, as a community person. Me going back to someone trying to engage that to me is, I don't know, that's just my
feeling. Yeah, and
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the uh Gilbert versus the Board of Education. Right.
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Right.
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to the table because they have staff that they have to pay, you know? And so, and so, um but you know, we've not asked them to do that. um And I think, I think we're all talking about the same thing, you know, that there needs to be, there needs to be a staffer with expertise. We think that again, uh what were the two colleges?
Stetson and the University of Florida.
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it's always going to be UF, you know, but. And so, because again, they they have to have those internships. They have to have the practical experience, you know, and so, so exploring that. But at the end of the day, there needs to be somebody who's going to coordinate the volunteers, you know? And I don't, you know, and
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you know, same, same sort of form and format as a, as ‸ Hannibal Square, same sort of suggestions, suggestions that, uh that, uh that Greg has, you know? So, so, ‸ just giving us an opportunity. I don't,
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again, remember the the Brevard, the Florida Historical Society, they were paid to do the Gilbert versus the Board of Education. And so and so they're not a free source. you know uh That's why I think you know they're not volunteering to to to do the museum.
All right. Okay. um
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And she says she wants to be in bar And there's others, but
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I know it would be nice to have it done yesterday, but. Yeah. So it's fair and equitable across the board. Yeah. So we're moving in that direction.
Councilman. Real quick, my last request. um I like that the city manager is going to put something together and bring it back for us. um
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I would love to have it in the form of a special meeting uh because it's so much robust conversation that need to be had by the council as well as output from the public. um I would i think it would be special and be productive if we had it at the actual center or the museum. I
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South South. Yeah.
Yeah. oh I also i want to clarify. I'm not against the historical society, but but i I just know how I am personally and maybe sometime i I put my feelings and think that someone else could feel the way I feel about something. So maybe that's some of my fault too. But but if I have a passion for something, I know it's not, and and and you were a part of the exhibits, ‸ historical society was, right? and And
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I'm going to step in and I'm going to make that proposal to the city manager. I know it's not for
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whatever that is, I know you don't have anybody in place, but I can move this forward. It's like we, you're saying we didn't ask them. I just don't feel with that expertise and what they have and the
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directly? I just, that would be, that's my question. ‸ To him. That's
just me. And
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uh ‸ from the uh Museum of Natural History. you know
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that I think that's, I guess that's why I'm getting it right? You know, I mean, no knock on anybody. But
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a community, a community that, that don't need to happen to that community. There's too many times that, that community left behind. and We can't allow that happen again. Not saying they will. But we see what happened before. That's just. You could be completely wrong. Let me say that in the mind I could be wrong. But that's just how. get that monocle. ‸ That's ‸ how I feel. That's all.
Okay.
All right. I'm good. That's everyone's wish list. um
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Okay.
you see the Manager, anything else for the betterment? I want to say thank you to all council members. I
think you
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And I just want to thank all council members. We can agree to disagree. Of
course.
And I've made mistakes too. And I've been on the short end of this stick. I know what it's like. Not many times. I don't know about that stuff. because ah
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That's why I have gray hair. Okay. But I want to say thank you for your opinions. I'm a firm believer. If we're not growing, we're dying. And by God, we're not going to die. Because we got a vision. And we got leadership here.
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So everybody should have a copy. So you got a copy of Charlene? Yes, sir.
I'm
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I'll give
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You're good, bro. You can look on the side of the monitors, too. Go ahead. i've got it in Cloud
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Everyone, thank you for your support in the four years that
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Coast TPO. So,
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after listening to the the discussion at the council meeting the other day, it's uh my my little presentations considered, what can be learned from the
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Museum and how could it apply to the Collins Museum? Assumptions. uh Treat both museums equal, fair, and equitable.
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uh treat both museums uh is there a benefactor waiting in the wings rfp uh i.e elon musk
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the reason I
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uh I don't know if you're aware, but he gave an undisclosed donation to the Sands Space Museum, Jared Isaacman
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so if you go out there, it is a free museum and it is pretty incredible if you're into space.
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come up with a plan B to get the Collins Museum doors open to the public ASAP similar to the Brevard Museum. ‸ comparisons to the Council, uh some of my stuff, some of what I had seen, uh I believe from Charlene. uh If you look at it, uh a Brevard Museum really didn't have any grants. Collins had about one mil cap and repair Brevard 90, none for Collins. uh But, you know,
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go back more than just a couple of years, uh Charlene, we also had that's not in there like a 35 000 fire alarm replacement system. Right? Thank you very much.
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I don't know. That come off of your Council slides.
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Yeah,
life
uh swapping out fluorescent lighting to LED lighting that I'm aware of, stuff like that.
Okay?
uh Average annual maintenance, uh you know, I'm sure that was coming through uh Public Works and Gary and the guys. uh One of the things, uh uh Alex, one of the things that I've done here the last two years, because it was kind of crisis management,
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And so to try and ease that out a little bit, we would meet once a year with Gary and say, Hey, here's our wish list. And
above
the line, below the line, i'm right, whatever. ‸ Personnel cost. Of course, we have uh our great Mr. Ben
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course. At the Collins Museum, none, right? uh And it was a uh open by appointment, ‸ but now we've lost uh Ryan Brown, who was like POC. So hopefully, uh but you'll see later. I'm
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I do have to blow our horn a little bit since we are open. uh For the year, we were probably open around 900 hours. uh
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at 1400 and something. And in the preceding... In the
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uh And uh Mayor Blake, uh four years ago, you asked me to get those numbers up. That
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well done, my faithful sir Thank you, sir. Do
we have a tip jar there where people
can...
I'll cover that. next
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operations guy uh uh my whole career, uh you never go into a plan without a plan B. So, uh listening to what was said, uh uh here's my... If I was king for a day, this would be my plan B for y'all. uh So, while uh the city manager and staff are
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council to move forward, with
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on i'm on a roll. ‸ looking
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uh create a position at the Collins Museum for a facility attendant. Part-time like we have Mr. Ben. uh Preferably one who is from the community, who knows the history, and who is willing to be the face of the museum. Okay. Hold an open house specifically to recruit volunteers. Now I know we've been soliciting for volunteers. Hopefully there's a base list already going around. But I'll tell you this. We've had some
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there. But that community, when I say that
community, please
don't take it wrong.
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uh uh Okay. Lesson learned. So this is just my observations, right?
‸ Okay.
So
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after they terminated a long term lease way early, leaving the city in a quandary. ‸ Okay. So that's, you know, it came knocking. uh
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the Museums of Brevard. uh Thanks to Sam, uh
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of about 20 other museums throughout the county. And we are now a non-profit of non-profits And we network. And that there's some great things out of that. uh uh Things that don't exist at... oh uh Many members have fully paid staff of a museum director, curator, and archivist. Archivist. Right? Well, that doesn't exist at the
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Museum. And it certainly doesn't exist at Collins. Maybe if we had a benefactor. Because that's exactly what Heritage Square has. When I went and visited, right, I sent you all my notes from that. Okay? So, to back to wrap it up uh here, I think, uh you know, uh the facility at the Brevard Museum is just a ragtag bunch of volunteers who are close to presenting a Friends Of agreement to the city, finally. right We had a transition from a full o m to a Friends Of, and that would include things like donation box events and stuff like that. uh uh
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documents along with the gift and loan agreements. okay now, believe me, I'm no museum curator, but I've learned there are ways to run a museum, and we're not doing it. okay oh and Doors open.
‸ And,
oh by the way, the the existing museum, we get, you know, rave rave reviews from visitors, which always helps. So uh I hope you've had a chance to read my notes from the visit to the Hannibal Square Heritage Center. It was very informative. ‸ Thank
you, sir. i know
i know uh and so if you have any questions uh otherwise
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and continue doing what I do.
so So you're telling me there hasn't been a donation box there at all?
No, the city doesn't want
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now.
‸ okay so uh
we are Many of you know we tried to get a full-blown operating and lease agreement. uh We were not only did we not have the expertise, but that was something
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in our capability.
It
languished. uh
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you know, you're talking a small group.
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is ‸ the most recent agreement. And we're going to hand you that back red line. uh and And so uh we have a meeting tomorrow night to to go over that. uh Alex,
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let's get them doors open. Let's figure out how to get people in. uh And one final note. I just happened to hear the latest Florida Department of Agriculture report on citrus industry.
okay
Now, I've heard some things about the citrus industry in this room. Who was an orange picker? okay uh So you had old families, orange groves, employees, right? This was a major industry. last year last
year
lowest box counter fruit in over a century
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If you don't do oral histories and get people from both sides of the tracks talking about that industry, it's going to be forgotten. ‸ Let's not forget it.
Alex,
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but, and I was trying to do it under
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because I hate that first beat.
Thank you. thank
you
Seriously. Thank you. So,
Mr. Mayor, on the so you have a balanced budget proposal in front of you with certain assumptions about the tax rate and rates. um And we're going to go forward with that unless the council directs votes differently. And so, on Tuesday, you will have the tentative millage. um Do the rates come?
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enough that that, again, what you have in front of you is a balanced budget proposal.
um
I don't know that I need a motion. It is the charter requires me to present you with a balanced budget proposal. We vote on it Tuesday, right?
Yeah, we
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you vote on the rate on Tuesday. So, the rate the rate funds the proposal. If you want to do something different, if you want me to to uh structure something different, you got to tell me tonight or Tuesday, and then we go back to the drawing board because, again, this is a balanced budget proposal.
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What is the process if we do agree on paying for an attendant at the College Museum? Is that something that you can do without any issues with this budget right now? It
is, it is something is removed from some spot in the budget and put in that spot.
Okay.
So, it's it's moving things around.
so
or
there have been times when we found revenues
okay
Like the last time yeah we can increase the
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that's a recurring source. So we've given you the disposition of all of our projected recurring revenues within this balanced budget proposal.
If there's an emergency, I know we can amend the budget. Is that a safe assessment? To say, for an example, we have a hurricane. I'm sure we would have to make adjustments. Right? Yeah,
you're taking from your reserves. You're taking from contingencies. You know, again, it's, it's, yeah, I mean, the things come up. um Hopefully, there are, those are one-time things. Recurring expenditures need recurring revenues.
Right,
which, okay.
So, we, well, I guess the question,
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a, a no, okay you guys were gonna ‸ allow us to go back and explore, um through a college or ‸ university, um getting, getting, getting a staffer on via that.
Doors open. ‸ You made the motion. oh Well, give him direction.
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have to make a motion on that?
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we're
gonna ‸ bring that back. Okay.
Yeah, but.
Yeah. Give
him direction. That's what I'm saying ‸ He's gonna ‸ bring it back to you. The
intern. Okay. But we're good as far as the budget right now.
yeah
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‸ if not, I'll make the motion
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‸ Thank
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