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your birthday,
call it your
call it your
call it
your invocation by Chief.
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I
pledge allegiance to the flag of
the United States of America and to
the
republic for which it
stands. One nation, under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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this opportunity to come together as one, Lord, and work on the city's business. We pray, Lord, that you keep your hedge of protection around our community and around our citizens, Lord. We also pray you keep a hedge of protection around our city council.
Help
us in every
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your kingdom. In your holy name we do pray. Amen.
Amen.
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Thank
you very
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I wanted to get started there. Since that we do not have to vote on anything tonight
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let's move forward. I have a plan to catch. He has a plan to catch.
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I will be going for an entire week. So that's the reason why I want to proceed forward.
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So since it's nothing that we're going to vote on, that's the only reason why I took that position.
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No,
I'm fine. Of course, I guess when we get to talking about our priorities, I'd be concerned.
But
somebody should be here by then.
I would think so, ma'am. If not, then we have to shut it down and reschedule again.
And
everyone will have tadpole eyes.
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Thank you.
Yes.
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Present, ma'am.
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Here.
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Here.
Council Member Goins?
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Okay, thank you very much for the attendance today. The priorities for today are the City Council fiscal year 2026 budgeting, priorities and planning, special meeting, and we are now getting underway.
It
is March the 4th and I'm appreciative.
City Manager, the floor is yours, sir. Hey Brianna, do we have hard copies? No? Hard copies?
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Do we have a copy of that resolution?
Yes, I have that.
Okay, bring that back. Yeah, Mr. Mayor, there is one item that we call that conversation with Representative Saroy. Okay.
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Yeah, I probably need five minutes.
Okay. Okay, ‸ yeah. Chair, I'd
like
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I
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Please let the record reflect.
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Do you have that recorded, Madam Secretary? Okay, Madam City Clerk, ‸ this is the first time? First time now?
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Yeah, so we have a rookie. So I will ‸ be extremely patient. Okay. So now I would like to return the floor to you, Mr. City Manager, sir.
All right, thank you. Thank you, sir. And as you said, this is Brianna's first special meeting by herself there. And so she's learning. Yes.
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issue. And his request was for this council to ‸ draft up a ‸ resolution in support of more time for the hospital to remain open and so that they can come up with a better sort of a better closure plan. And so
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thing. But at the end of the day, it's an expression of concern. And so I'll read the now therefore be resolved by the city council portion of it, if that's okay with you, Mr. Mayor. Yes,
sir.
And so it says now therefore be it resolved by the city council of the city of Cocoa as follows. Expression of concern. The city council expresses its deep concern over the announced closure of Rockledge Hospital and the significant negative impact it will have on the
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the closure of Rockledge Hospital into a new facility is operational, ensuring no gap in critical health care services for the community. Requests for detailed plans.
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construction and opening of the proposed new hospital in Brevard County,
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of the affected population. Collaboration with stakeholders. Collaboration
with stakeholders.
The city council calls upon Orlando Health to engage in open dialogue with local governments, health care providers and community organizations to develop a comprehensive plan that addresses the health care void resulting from the hospital's closure. Support for affected employees. The city council emphasizes the importance of providing robust support and resources to the 940 employees impacted by the closure. Ensuring opportunities for employment within the local area to retain valuable health care professionals in our community. Number six, preservation of health care services.
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care and behavioral health resources, which within central Brevard during the transition period to prevent any disruption and care for residents. Transparency and communications. Transparency
and communications.
Number seven, the city council requests regular updates from Orlando Health regarding the status of the hospital closure plans for new facilities and measures being taken to mitigate an impact on the community adopted by the city council of the city of Cocoa, Florida at a special city council meeting assembled on the fourth day of March, 2025.
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representative.
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Roy. I think he plans on forwarding it to the governor and to the, the, uh, to the, uh, to Orlando, uh, health.
Yeah. Just a comment.
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And there's a nurse and a doctor in my neighborhood that were laid off. And a lot of their employees are fleeing because as you know, healthcare workers, uh, there's a lot of need in the whole region. And so we are getting, you know, the talent is being taken away. So.
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interviewing are taking some of those employees also.
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Um, I, I have no problem with this resolution, but I know like Lorraine said,
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laid off and, um, and you know, they stopped taking new patients and they will have it totally shut down as of April 22nd.
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So where are all these people going to go?
I can answer that question, ma'am. I'm sure we have a, if I may, Mr. City Manager, we can have acreage that could accommodate a hospital right here in beautiful downtown Cocoa.
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this area, even if it's on the Cocoa's curve, where the next boom is going to take, I think we are at a prime position to monopolize and take advantage of this golden opportunity. Why do I say that? Proper preparation promotes positive productivity. And it's pleasingly
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name in the hat. Even though I was born at Wusthof Hospital, and I have a lot of historical moments there, I would definitely like to keep our name in the hat, or at least place our name in the hat. I'd like to get a consensus. Well, yeah. Oh,
yeah.
Think about it.
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I agree. I think that's great. But ‸ what my concern is, and I'm sorry, I can't see you guys at the moment because I have the resolution up, but so I can't tell if I jumped in in front of somebody, and I apologize if I did.
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to be built. And my concern is the lack of beds in Brevard County today. In the meantime. But I think Coco is the perfect spot. You're exactly right.
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it out on 524. I'd love it in my district.
Yeah, district three. Sounds good to me.
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Yeah,
before you take the vote, let me give you a little bit more context to the conversation with Representative Saroy.
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going to be late, running late, so that may be him.
Okay.
So
I did have the conversation, and he was going into a meeting last week, or maybe this week, with the Orlando Health officials there, because Orlando Health requests, I don't know if it's each year, but I know this year they're requesting millions of dollars from the state. And so he
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was going to be that they delay the closing. But, again, he was going into meetings this week.
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and talk on the subject with either him or the Orlando Health officials there, because, again, we don't, obviously we don't have a whole lot of land, but, ‸ again, we have some possibilities. And, ‸ again, ‸ as we get further into the agenda, I'll tell you why some of the federal priorities are as they are, because it was with that in mind.
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Stand-alone ER.
Yeah, ERs.
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pitching what we've pitched before over at the ‸ old Dr. Jolie Smith site.
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to us, but he ‸ was going to ask a number of cities to actually propose and present resolutions so that he could ‸ elevate the issue ‸ to the governor's office.
Okay. Is that it, sir? Yes,
sir.
Okay. I've heard from everyone. Now, what are the wishes of council?
Motion to approve.
We have a motion
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Second. Okay. I was getting ready to second by the chair. Second by Vice Mayor, Deputy Mayor Weeks.
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Any favor say aye?
Aye.
Aye. Aye. Aye's have it unanimously. The floor is yours, sir.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yes, sir. We're here as we are each year. ‸ This is the second special meeting slash workshop of the season. Pretty standard form with a couple of exceptions. We have ‸ the contract planners here to talk about the evaluation and appraisal review process. And Alexis will give you more details on exactly what that is. But that's a policy document comprehensive plan document that is, again, a policy matter for the council. And so needed to have that presented to you, get any input that you may have on that. And so we'll call her up. We will again go through the financial update. Mrs. Bowman will do that because, again, I'm a little nervous about what's happening in the economy, what's happening at a ‸ state level.
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look like when we sit here ‸ in March and February.
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You guys probably all heard on your way to work stock market and that and that. And everything is sort of upside down at the moment. I'll pass around for you and ‸ I emailed this to Councilwoman Weeks there. I'll pass around the Florida League of Cities, their legislative sort of bill watch summaries that are out there. And again, it's just as there is every legislative session, there's just a lot of activity out there with regards to bills that could negatively affect local governments.
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I know city attorney also advises you of things that come on his radar. But again, if you ever want to know, I think they do this weekly at the end of the week. The Florida League of Cities does their legislative bill summaries. And so, so you can go there each week and ‸ see what's happening there. Again, recall that at this second, at the second meeting, we do ask you for council priorities. We always list those as council priorities because although they flow up individually, we are always hoping and need for you guys to actually give some direction as a body with regards to what the collective priorities of the council will be.
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in the audience there. So, Mr. Mayor and council members, I'll bring up
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And she'll introduce the rest of her team. And if you guys don't mind, I'll just have Alexis sit at the table with us.
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Good evening.
As
Stockton noted, my name is Alexis Crespo. I presented to y'all a few times. I work with RVI. Steve Noto was ‸ point person for the first year or so that we've been working with you. But I'm here today along with Patrick Murray and Carol Zepeda, who are planners in our office working on this evaluation appraisal report. And so we wanted to kind of walk you through this project, the process, explain the steps involved and the aspects of the comprehensive plan will be evaluating along with your staff.
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your comprehensive plan. We came
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We made some amendments to the mixed use future land use category to try to ‸ stimulate some redevelopment in the downtown cocoa area.
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and you see projects coming before you frequently that discuss the comprehensive plan. This is a document that we're required to have by state law.
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Every city has to have a comprehensive plan. And the state also mandates that we maintain consistency with Florida statutes. So it's timely that Stockton passed out the legislative summary and initiatives this year. Every year the state legislature goes to Tallahassee and they have a lot of big ideas.
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And they start making passing bills and making changes to Florida statute.
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to statutes that have
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affect
your comprehensive plan and affect policies that are in that document. Fortunately, the state understands that it's not cost effective for the city of cocoa every year to go from their comp plan to start to finish and try to figure out every little change in those bills that affect the plan. They say you really need to do this every seven years. We're going to give you some grace and understand this is can cost money and time. So we we hit our seven year mark where we are due to demonstrate consistency with state statute. We have to do so by sending them amendments to meet the state requirements by October of this year. So
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and we do know just
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cursory review. We do need to make some changes to be inconsistent with with the Florida statute. So we know that this is again your comp plan. This is not your land development code.
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and start making any changes that often get property owners up in arms or making changes to your your future land use map.
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spoken about this with staff. We really feel it's prudent to really approach this and make the changes needed to be consistent with the state. If there are other changes long term you want to make to your comprehensive plan. There's avenues to do that right now.
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So we want to make sure we do that. In doing so, we are going to look at every goal, objective and policy within the comp plan to evaluate for consistency. We'll go through each of the elements and proceed that way. So your comprehensive plan has many elements or really chapters where they divide up the subject matter. There's the one I think you work with the most or see the most as council is your future land use element. That's where we allocate density intensity and land uses to every property in the city. And it's always what's changing the most in the plan. You also have infrastructure. ‸ You've separated your stormwater, your sewer, potable water all into separate chapters under the infrastructure heading.
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have housing, schools, conservation. So there's there's a broad level of subject matter. I can tell you that ‸ the ones typically impacted by state changes are your capital improvements, your transportation, when they change stuff like concurrency and and items like that. So we were engaged as part of our contract with the city to start looking at this just last month. You did do a light update in 2019. So your last comprehensive plan is dated 2020. The planning horizon or the length of time that plan looks outward is to 2030. Your plan per the state law must look out a minimum of 20 years. So we know just right off the bat, we've got to perform data analysis. Look at your population growth over at least 20 years. We'd recommend doing a 2050 plan that gives you a little bit of fluff. It's a nice round number. And
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a little bit of wiggle room in terms of the length of time we're projecting out growth of the city.
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Yes,
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‸ as part of this and that's really the next the next slide is ‸ get to the preliminary assessment here. So the first step in this process is we ‸ choose the year you want ‸ to plan towards and we're going to look at overall population growth. We're going to look at demographic shifts where we're going to look at just the is the population going to age significantly or
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‸ Are we getting younger people coming into town where we're going to have stable cohorts moving forward? So we do it. That's what the state likes to see to know that we've all of our policies tie back to that growth. We'll also look at your vacant available land for development. We'll look at available housing stock, the infrastructure available. Is that really is the basis for the amendment?
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So
we go back. So I've touched on that phase approach in terms of the steps in this process. We're doing our research. And as I noted, the assessment report right now, we will issue the assessment report to staff and city management. We certainly can we're here most or can be here at any meeting you want us.
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we could always present that assessment report, advertise it so that the public can come in and walk through our findings in terms of what are the state changes needed based on our analysis. Then we'll just immediately put ‸ pencil to paper and start making any policy changes needed to be consistent with the statute. ‸ So
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and then we'll be back before you late summer and earlier if we can in order to have you allow us to transmit or send this up to the state for review
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After the state reviews, it
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also have one final adoption hearing where we can incorporate any comments they may make about our amendments.
Okay.
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This allows us to meet again that deadline we have with the state to send them a legally consistent. Plan by excuse me, October.
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month or so
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advertised and certainly an opportunity. We have a light audience, but we will publish the preliminary assessment on the city's website.
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is done and then we will have multiple public hearings with your planning and zoning board and then transmittal and adoption with city council in order to not only present this to you, but get public public input. Again, this first phase of amendments is the more dry, dry legalese type amendments where we'll be digging into statute type changes. But
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changes to policies and maps. But they may at least be curious about the process which we can incorporate them into. So we are really excited to be working on this with with you all and we'll definitely we're going to meet your timeline. And I'm just happy to answer any questions you may have as we kick this off.
‸ I have a general question. Of course, we will see any changes we're going to make before they're submitted. Yes. So
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when we get to the transmittal hearings, we will give you a strike through underline. So it'll have your current comp plan and anything we're changing will be
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So you're very clear on what's changing. It won't just be a clean, updated document.
Okay.
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sewer element that was to be made by July 1st. Did we make that? Because I don't
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a part of the legislation last year.
Is that a report requirement then?
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A 50 lot subdivision.
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That'll be a part of this year update.
Okay. ‸ We have additional questions. Thank you.
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One question. The demographics will have that in the first assessment. You'll have that. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Great.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Mr. Mayor. So we'll move. And again, as Alexis presented on the schedule, the public hearings are ‸ going to happen
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opportunity to see the full plan, as she said, strike through and underline. Okay. So there. I'll turn it over to Mrs. Bowman to do the financial update and give you the.
Thank you, Mr. Whitten. So just wanted to give you another brief financial update. So at
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I presented to you and kind of walked you through all the different facets of assigned fund balance,
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I need to present a consolidated number in the financial statements and not have all that level of detail in it. So I consolidated the number. And so this slide is showing you what the detailed categories are that go into
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fund balance. What you will see in the financial statements is
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What I
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Some slight adjustments were made to, as I consolidated the numbers and got them all together. And if you'll recall, I had on one slide, a $3 million item for early debt repayment. That was just shown on the fund balance slide.
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So you can see the line up here for early debt repayment. So I merely moved the $3 million from an individual line into the line that says assigned fund balance. And I didn't change the total fund balance. It remained the same. I just added and subtracted and the number stayed the same. So I'm presenting this to you to show you what you will get. And you will see from the auditors when they, we
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the audit, they'll come back and present the financial statements to you. It will be one line
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show this $20 million.
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balance, as I just stated, total fund balance did not
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And so the way that I have to present it in the financial statements is
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So I just wanted to update council on that and demonstrate that the fund balance is the same and the detail of the assigned fund balance.
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the last meeting, we're very early in the budget process. And so we start out with a very high level things that we know. We know, um, the fire assessment, um, is already built in, uh, increased the stormwater is a built in increase.
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year.
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The ROI is a calculation based on the capital assets in the utility fund and the property tax increase. At this point in time, we have nothing from the property appraiser. So we're just taking a conservative estimate at 3% to say, we think we're going to get some additional revenue.
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So we're projecting a positive number instead of a negative number. But right now we have no idea what that number is. So,
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on this slide, um, that we met with the insurance company. And based on ‸ the claims that we have right now, we are fully insured, uh, but our broker is estimating, uh, ‸ increase of about 15.7%. And we had a much more conservative estimate on the last, uh, the last meeting. So we wanted to update you again to show you that, um, you never know. We had seven and a half percent on the last meeting. So it doubled. And that's why, as the city manager alluded to a few minutes ago, we don't really know what's going to happen at this point in time. That's why you try and keep fund balance because you don't know. Um, this is a recurring cost. So we would need to come up with recurring revenue to meet that because as you know, we need to have a balanced budget. Our revenue needs to equal our expenditures and we don't want to use recurring revenue for recurring or non-recurring revenue for recurring costs like medical insurance.
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over time.
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because when we, when I came, we were self,
self, self
insured. We flipped to fully insured and, and generated some savings or at least held the percentage increase, uh, at a,
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I think we've been single digit percentage increase for the last four years.
We have, and they've, they've been able to negotiate every year. This, I just wanted to add that they are working on going out to bid on this. And this is largely due to the GLP drugs. If you've seen all the commercials
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are big drivers in the health plans. Um, and so now next year, the medical provider or the, the, um, the signals or the, all the providers will be putting more, um, stricter guidelines on the use of those or authorizing them. But in the meantime,
um,
our broker is going to put a bid out to, to try to reduce this 15% to a lower number. And
that's at, that's at, again, uh, ‸ my direction, your concurrence, you know, because we, again, we flipped from the self insured to the fully insured that, that generated some, some savings. And so we were able to minimize the insurance increase. Um, but we haven't been out to the marketplace in three or four years.
This,
this would have been the fourth year. And so I just don't think that, that we can engage
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of going to the insurance carrier and saying, Hey, we're going to go out, give us your best. Uh, you know, so we, we don't feel like that's a strategy that was going to work. They will go and try to, uh, negotiate with the insurance carrier. But again, at the end of the day, I think it's time to go back to the marketplace. All indications are that we're not going to do as well as we've done for the last four years. That
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remember is only a general fund number. I think that number is well over a million when you include the, uh, the enterprise agencies. And so, and so again, um, you know, the big hit as Mrs. Jumaane said, are, are the, uh, are
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so by, by their, by their more brand name there. So,
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we're hoping we're going to come in below the 15.7, but again, it's certainly time to go to the marketplace and see what's out there. And,
and I just want to add that the trend for the weight loss drugs, isn't just for us. It's a trend that a lot of people are seeing everywhere that the, the medical providers and the, they're just now learning that they need to put stricter guidelines on authorizing them because it's affecting the, the premiums.
Yeah. Yeah. The problem. The problem is, is that they're, they're supposed to be for.
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You know, weight reduction. So that's part of the problem. Keep
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So, um, just wanted to point out, uh, further on this slide
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very high level. Um, what we think is going to happen. So right now we're looking at a shortfall
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And we'll find out more as we go along through the budget process. But again, there are many unknowns at this point in time. And at that, I'll hand it over to city manager.
Thank you.
So again, we, we always come in, into this second workshop, I believe, at least since I've been here asking you for council priorities and, and we got a listing of those. Um, ‸ I think two council members there. Um, and I thought we had a slide for those,
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And so, so you guys did give, give me something.
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I can, I can,
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um, the federal appropriations request. And as you guys are aware, we have, uh, we have a state lobbyist, ‸ federal
lobbyists
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and on the state side, the state's primarily looking for water quality, um, projects there. And so, uh, we've been working to submit those, uh, water quality projects there.
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uh, where we are with regards to projects that are out there. We're, we're actually, we do pretty good there in terms of, uh, the projects that are, that are outstanding or our needs. And so we, we are ‸ going to, uh, submit something in terms of water quality on the state level. We, we, we got this request.
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So, so we, we, we've been in dialogue with our, with our federal lobbyists. And,
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submit appropriations requests. Uh, you know, appropriations requests are, uh, better known as earmarks.
Um,
now none of us can tell you what's going to happen up in DC, but again, we're going to, we're going to take our swing or, or, uh, I was trying to get a hockey term.
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And so again, you know, um, this is, uh, if you will, this is Stockton's list. and asking for the council's concurrence on it. And I can move them up and down the list as you guys see fit or as you guys direct. But what we submitted to them was the 524 widening. We've talked many, many times about how critical that is for the growth of ‸ the city for the Brightline Station. Recall that the city, you guys authorized and directed an unprecedented step in that we gave money to the state to fund the ‸ design and engineering portion of it.
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to the design and engineering. And that got us into, that got at least that portion of the project into the five-year work plan. And so, again, we think that that's just extremely critical. If we can get some federal dollars, it's a state road. If we can get some federal dollars in pursuit of that,
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big as it usually is there.
And
so, again, so we're asking that the curve, you know, remember the curve is going from 524 to 501, which is Clear Lake.
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again, is, ‸ and they're going to reach out to you, Councilwoman Weeks, because that design is a roundabout design. So.
I know, and I'm not happy.
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a special appointment to visit with you, Councilwoman Weeks, and sell you on the safety efficiency of roundabouts.
They can try.
Mr. Winton, one thing I wanted to interject on is the State Road 524 widening. We have not paid FDOT yet. As far as I know, they're not ready to go out to bid. Normally, once they do that, they'll request the payment, and then if it costs less than when they get all done with construction, then they pay us back. So they put that money in escrow, but we have not submitted that to FDOT yet. We're waiting for them to request the payment.
‸ And that's in your fund balance numbers?
Yes, that's
correct. Okay. Okay. Okay.
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And that is the road that
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into ‸ the station.
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actually finalizing that deal. So we're hopeful that they'll give a portion ‸ of their property to us. We only need a few feet for a certain distance to actually build a two-lane entry road. Two-lane entry road to the station. That'll ‸ benefit. Obviously, it'll take you to the station, but it'll benefit the ‸ Cocoa Super Walmart there. So we've been ‸ in conversation with them. And Mrs. Morgan has worked, has been in multiple, multiple meetings with FDOT on the design.
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And I think that, ‸ along with the curve, that'll be a great entrance, entry point ‸ to the station there. The Indian River Drive, Septic to Sewer conversion. Again, asking for money on that.
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there ‸ was, I don't know if there still is, conversation about overriding the governor's vetoes from the last session there. And ‸ so we're asking for those dollars on both state level and now on federal level also. What I alluded to earlier was the
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And I think we
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community health clinic in the Diamond Square community. Again,
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has identified that area as an area of need. And so I know they, a couple of ‸ years back, they had some dollars that were available. And so we thought we'd take our shot with the feds to ask for some dollars there. And then the, uh,
the
multimodal regional stormwater facility in part, uh, recall that, um,
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Uh, the city has approximately 40-something acres.
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conservation easement that we're working with the, uh, St. Johns Water Management District to, to relieve that easement. We think we'll be successful. We'll have to purchase some, uh, some, uh, mitigation bank credits there. And so you saw in
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there, you saw the economic development, uh, set aside, uh, to do that. This is the other portion that was given to us by, I forget the, the local family that donated this. And their stipulation on it was that it be for, uh, recreational type facilities or amenities. And so we would turn that portion, if you're, if you think back to the bubble plan, we would turn that portion into a stormwater facility that has, uh, some recreational, um, functionality. And so this would be a great, uh, oh, she has it on here. Okay. So, so we do have what was submitted to us in terms of, um,
uh,
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Yeah, well, it was, it was pretty simple. I know, uh, I know we, we have, uh, we get
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But I think we'll agree that we don't get
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of funding that we should get. Um,
but is there
a possibility to add, um, on that appropriation with the federal housing grant program? Well,
well, I mean, I've, I've had those conversations with our federal, uh, lawyers. Um, and, and
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CDBG.
CDBG and home are the federal programs
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And so, ‸ not sure that, you know, in terms of submitting the appropriations request, you know, you can, you know, you gotta be strategic there. I'll, we're, we're gonna ‸ be there. I'm not sure if
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So let me, let me talk to him about the wisdom of asking for those additional dollars for those types of programs under the current administration.
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Okay.
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Uh,
well, my, my question was resolved because, uh, councilman Hearns just got here. I did have questions on the presentation though. Just a couple simple things I wanted to ask.
Okay.
Um, and I'm sorry, I don't understand this.
‸ Yeah,
I was just going to ask about the impact
fees
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that we used on, on the widening.
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when you.
They're, they're for growth related infrastructure.
Expansion of.
So all, all infrastructure. Okay. And then I wanted to ask on. It's from
the transportation impact fee. So, so transportation related.
Transportation related. Okay. And then on the, uh, general fund, let's see what slide was that, 14? The, um, unassigned fund balance. Just wanted to make sure I understood the figures. Um, the stabilization, is that the same thing as our reserve?
Uh, there is a stabilization, stabilization reserve, yes.
Okay. So that's just like the 11 million that we had last year.
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And
then the unassigned fund balance is that basically, those are the monies that were not spent this year or those were, ‸ where are those monies from?
Unassigned fund balance, fund balance is assets minus liability. And so you do a calculation and that's where the
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Mm-hmm.
And then you go through and, um, you know, I have to report the non spendable. I have to report the restricted. I have to report the, the committed because those are, uh, political actions that council has taken. Mm-hmm. And then the assigned fund balance is the list that council approved.
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Okay.
But,
but for these, for these purposes,
your unassigned is an, is an accounting.
Yes.
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minus liability.
Okay. I mean,
what,
what, what, what we really, what you really had an ability to sign out is, to assign out is, is on this, on the previous sheet there.
Mm-hmm.
I mean, again, the unassigned is just an accounting formula. Mm-hmm.
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mean, we have a little bit of money from 21 and 22. Mm-hmm. But if you'll recall fiscal year 21 assigned fund balance was, uh, the 8.8 million. Mm-hmm. And then fiscal year 22 was 5.3 million in assigned fund balance. And now we're up to $20 million in assigned fund balance. And some of that is money that is already earmarked for other purposes. Mm-hmm.
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And, and we, we, we talked, well, you all, some of you, you, you, we talked as, as a CRA about, you know, notice the Cocoa Village parking and the number we, we, uh, we talked about last night there. We, we do have assigned to that, um, over half a million dollars there. And so again, trying to, trying to, to, uh, to tackle that problem, um, again, via the
the,
the,
the,
the,
the, Oleander
West lot,
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And, and also that 575, again, is general fund dollars.
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those lots on Oleander as well. So we reset that back up to 575,000 because we did buy one of those lots.
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uh, the, uh, the easement dollars that we got from the, the two ‸ utilities to.
Yes, that's included in that 575,000.
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presented, I'll, I'll move to what was submitted individually as, uh,
uh,
district priorities.
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And I,
I,
I, I'll
be honest with you on that one. I, I'm, we're setting that up so that the RFP is soliciting a not-for-profit to come in and, and, and,
uh,
and do that.
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because of experience, you know, just, I don't, I don't want,
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But again, that, that, that parcel is the, actually it's two parcels there in ownership of the, uh, of the CRA. And actually,
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small sliver of their property, so that we can increase the density, uh, on that, on that, uh, parcel there. So, so again, I want to recognize them for doing that. Okay.
All right. The,
um,
this is something that I, I believe that we, we could actually take, um,
a
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Um,
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been long enough, um, in my eyes, but I, I think we need, um, to make,
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to do sole source. That was something that I brought to him to go that route.
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city.
Yeah.
And
I think it's, I think it's a matter of competitive solicitation or the requirement for a competitive solicitation within a CRA.
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so, so I just think it's, it's the course of the necessary course of action.
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Um, I, I believe again, it has been, it's been long enough and we need to, uh, start creating foot traffic, which could be, um, nonprofits coming in, ‸ having events.
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traveling exhibits, um, coming inside of the museum. Um, they're doing an awesome job in Brevard Museum on Michigan Avenue. Uh, I, I really would like that same energy to be right in Diamond Square. And, and so that's my, my thoughts on it.
So what is that? What does that require?
Um, yeah, yeah. So I have another bulletin point for that too. Um, so, um, so we know quite naturally, we tried to do the, the volunteer route. The volunteer route did not work. I believe that that was a great idea. Um, but we didn't see that, that energy and that fire for that opportunity. And so, and speaking to a few nonprofits, um, each one of them had different amounts. And so someone was $25,000 for the year, someone with $30,000 for the year. Um, which was creating programming for the museum.
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calendar year, uh, to provide for a nonprofit to come in and run the museum. And so that, that was just my thought.
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the matter, but I do know that we
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the number. Um, but that's just how I feel about it.
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it visibility, to get the word out that it's available.
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Um,
so
I just, you know, the expectations, what are the expectations? Um, I think people will go to events there. Um, they can spend, you know, an hour or two looking at the interpretation, but building that, those exhibits and the interpretation is going to be, you know, that's a long term thing.
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were like, what, you know, one of
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um, ‸ speaking event, to plan a series of speaking events there as we, you know, build its visibility and popularity. Um, I don't know how much that would cost either.
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need a dedicated organization or groups of minds. If you're talking about a nonprofit, you know, their volunteer energy there. I mean, basically, you know, the, the history museum, that's,
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But the rest of it is, is volunteer energy.
Right.
Um, and then they're, now they're trying to put together a friends,
you know, the
museum organization that can do more, raise more funds, that sort of thing. Um, so, yeah, I'm not an expert either. Yeah. I know I like to go to museums. I often go to museums when I travel. And, um, and I like the little, uh, what, what would you call them kind of, um, ‸ well, the smaller exhibitions. They can be just as valuable as a large exhibit, um, if done well. So,
I know what, what, what,
what
I've seen at, at some of the other museums that I visited, they all started with a community committee.
Mm-hmm.
And, and, and that community committee worked with the nonprofit to create the
programming.
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So, it was a, um, a holistic approach to it. And that's just, that's from what I've seen. It wasn't necessarily the nonprofit by itself. It was, it was the community ‸ as a
group.
Um, it was say, for example, 10 committee members, uh, from all walks of life inside of Diamond Square.
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marriage together. And then that programming is born out of that relationship. So that's, that's just my thought process. But I, I just know, I just,
just. So you're
saying to attract that ‸ nonprofit, we offer a, or, you know, we look to see how much they would be requesting.
Right.
With the RFP.
Right.
And their present, that RFP would include their plan.
Yep.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I'm definitely supportive. I'd like to see something tiered, you know, so that, you know, our expectations aren't too high for the first year. We're going to be building something here.
Yep.
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that with the community and putting out an RFP. Um, I, I think that that's a great direction to go and, uh, getting somebody who knows how to do that, but enthusiasm from the community will drive it. So, I,
I
definitely am in favor of proceeding down that line.
Okay. Okay.
All right. All right.
Moving on.
No,
no,
he's
wanting
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some insight.
He's wanting
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you know.
Oh, I'm supportive of it. I want to see some foot traffic and, uh, some action happening over in that museum. It's a beautiful, uh, exhibit. We put a lot of effort in it and I love for people to start enjoying it. So I'm in favor of the RFP. Right.
My only concern is funding. Correct. Yep. That's my only concern.
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and ask, how can I volunteer?
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Some of the immediate members from the community will volunteer. How do I know? I
talk
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for free.
Now my only concern is where we get the money. If you're just talking about an RFP just putting it out there, does that mean that you put it out there and you must fulfill that RFP or do you have to do it from a different version? Because there again, we're talking about dollars. I mean, I'm born
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I see it every day. I drink it. I absorb it.
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I'm hoping
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will be somebody local. I don't want anybody from Melbourne, because just like me going down there and speaking
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It's your local people
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the people that will do it.
You
know, Balaam and also Wright brothers. It's your local community that will do it. I really wouldn't
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So I guess to your point, I agree with you. ‸ But at the same time, staff has been working diligently to the best of their ability to locate those individuals who would take the time to volunteer. But we have not had the interest. I think we've had 12, from what Mr. Brown was telling, ‸ maybe 12 people or so at one time, and then only one or two actually completed the application for it.
That's correct. And
so ‸ I hear you, and I agree with you 100%. But I think
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when you feel like it. It is whatever that timeframe is that we say that that museum will be open, they must be available. And I think it's difficult for some individuals, especially retired individuals, to commit that time that, ‸ you know, ‸ may not have enough of them either. ‸ But we also have
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I made mention of that at the last Diamond Square meeting, that we can do an agreement with them as well, where it could be a 50-50 situation where city and or CRA ‸ come together. My biggest thing is, I'm just tired of the doors being closed. And I think the community as well feel the same way. I agree with you.
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Like I told you before, to me, the first event is having your father, having other people like your father come in and have that traveling local. We don't have to have a lot of exhibits coming in from out of town.
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that these young people don't know about at all or don't have enough history to understand who these people are. You
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to him. And so mixing in the people that you're talking about in the community, along with RFP, nonprofit, Diamond Square, some dollars from them as well. And I believe that can bring something good to that building. That's just my opinion. I think it's worth a try anyway. I say that. It's worth a try. Staff has done a good job along with historical society. We got some exhibits inside of there.
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And so we came a long way. We still got a long ways to go to Councilwoman Cost's point that the building itself is really not where it should be as a exhibit or as a museum. But I believe it's a good start for where we are right now.
And
so that's. So I believe
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Diamond Square, I think would. Could be a good thing.
Okay, let me ask you another way. As we build in the area right there in the Michael C. Blake subdivision, as we add more homes to that community, to our community, to the neighborhood, that once we build more homes, we get more additional tax dollars.
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100%.
So
if you're a good thing, then
yes, I would be in favor of a combination ‸ both of Diamond Square dollars and City dollars.
Okay.
Yeah, I mean, it's a plethora of information. But my concern right now really is I'm trying to hold on to $25 fine, whoever that is in the back. ‸ Trying to hold on to our dollars and be held accountable.
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I myself have opened up that building that made people be assessed of accessible to it. Even Larry Brown, he's not there now, but he went over there with me to make sure, you know, properly set the alarm. I want the facility to be
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would be attending that facility.
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I ‸ mean,
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better if I can put it on ‸ next year's budget, not 20. And
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26. So then we'll see how much funding
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and get them on this year's roll to see what it'd be like next.
Well, could we take a vote on ‸ RFP, get the information and then ‸ we'll have whatever that amount would be from those individuals who ‸ interested in the project. We'll have that money.
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We'll know what that is.
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to lock no dollar amount in.
Okay.
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That's, you know, we're getting knowledge.
Okay.
That's what I'm saying.
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So, so if you're going to do the
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and I know we got a committee meeting, we have to continue to move forward because, you know, yes, that is important. But I'm just saying
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just
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Is that a motion?
Yes, ma'am.
‸ I'll second it.
Call the question.
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Aye.
Aye. Aye.
Okay. Placing it out on that RFP. Do you have that Ms.
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So, so we're gonna ‸ place an RFP on the street for the management of the Leon and Jewel Collins Museum.
of
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African American history and culture. Um, we've not allocated any dollars to that endeavor. But we're going to ask the proposers to submit, uh, a budget for, for doing that activity.
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to be consistent, you know, when we put RFPs on the street for a service, there's a budget associated with that service, you know? And so, and so, but again, because, you know, it's, it's governmental purchasing, but it's also, uh, people don't really bid if they, you know, you're serious when you attach dollars to, to the initiative, you know? And let me, let me just, let me just tell you the way the, uh, the way the, uh, the, um, Harry T and Harriet V Moore, uh, home site happened there. There was a, there was a, a committee that was functioning in the community for a number of years. Um, and, uh, there was a state appropriation for the home sites there. And so, so Brevard County just got lucky. And one of the, uh, one of the state
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that. And so we got state dollars to do that. But the management of that facility is parks and rec staff, you know, obviously the county is bigger than us and they can, they
can
have dedicated staff. And so, so they do have a board, a sort of friends of, uh, board ‸ and I, and I talked with a councilwoman, uh, costs about the friends of, we were most successful in terms of we being the county in terms of fundraising for the library system, because we had all of these friends of. You know, and there was a friends of group for virtually every library in the, uh, in the county. And so, so, so we had the grassroots ‸ sort of effort first, and then the management came second. But again, you know, and I guess we could issue an RFP asking for, um, asking for, uh, pricing for management of the Leon and Jewel Collins Museum. But I think I would do a letter of interest,
a
request for letters of interest. And so perhaps maybe not necessarily having to have a budget associated with it, but it's seeing at least if there are any, uh, organizations, not for profits that would be interested in the endeavor. And so I would just simply say, if you can amend or modify or redo your motion to say a request for letters of interest, and then we, we can sort of step into the, are there organizations ‸ out there that would be interested and see how many are out there. Um, sort of ballparking ballpark figure of what they believe they would be able to do it for and then, uh, go, if you will, to an RFP or, or perhaps even select ultimately offer the request for the letters of interest. If there's going to be a mix of, of, uh, ‸ CRA funding, then you certainly, you certainly have to go through the competitive process. But for me, I think it's, it sets up better as a request for letters of interest. Okay.
Okay. Yeah. And then, and we can even, I mean,
we
can limit it in the first year, you know, organize six events, organize 10 events. Yeah.
I
like it. Yeah. Yeah.
I
got it.
Yeah. You know, whether they be, uh, speakers or, uh, actual events.
I'm just saying, if, if I can do it
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There's no doubt in my mind because, ‸ and I'm gonna leave it alone.
Um,
but, um, are y'all, ‸ are you gonna ‸ amend your motion to, as the request of the city manager to reflect that?
Of
course. Okay. Are you going to amend your motion councilwoman? ‸ Yes.
Okay.
So just for the record, do I need to vote on this again?
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Why don't we clarify for the record what the actual motion is?
It's going
from
RFP to a letter of interest.
Okay. All right. So I
mean
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I'm asking just for Robert rule of law. Yeah.
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at two different. All
right. So,
yes.
Documents and processes.
And, and I will guarantee you, how many
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One part-time person. Okay.
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Yeah, I should have described
it. Amen, amen, um, so there you, okay.
Yes,
all
right.
Do you have a new, abandoned motion? Mrs. Bree. Thanks, man. Just gonna ‸ call them for y'all in favor saying aye.
Aye.
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So the, um, some of the other things may have already been done except for number five,
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Number four, we have some older signs that need to be updated coming into the city. Um, they don't show the, the current state championships is, is we need to upgrade those. So that's something that, that I know that I'm probably the only one that I've seen them,
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thing, but I have attempted to, uh, speak with our sister city and haven't had much success. Maybe this is something that maybe city managers can do as well, collaborating with their city manager. Um, but we know the islands on
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Um, and so what I'm asking from them was something simple. Hey, come to the table, $8,000, $9,000.
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at that time. That was maybe, you know, a while back, but
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median that runs from this Boulevard all the
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Oh, we're talking,
you're going west.
Yeah,
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And so we, we, we, we technically share that island, but we, at City of Coco, we cut it. And so I don't know what that looks like. I don't know if that's even possible to do a partnership, but we have had one before on the asphalt on the road, on Rosa Jones in front of McNair. Um, I don't know if that's a possibility, but I, a lot of people that lived in Virginia Park asked me for this one. And it's been maybe a year or so. I didn't bring it up last year because I didn't get it.
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didn't happen. So, I'm just bringing it to, to us for a potential project. Um, I think that was it. The, another, another one was the stormwater, um, connections on South Carolina and Georgia intersection of home street. Um, in that area, they don't have that, uh, drainage, a lot of the drains when it rains in that area, water is holding in a lot of those on both those streets on South Carolina, pretty much midway from counts to home street. And
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Um, they don't have that inlet curb inlets in that area to, uh, create that water flow. And so,
uh,
I was asked to bring that,
um,
as well up in this conversation.
Okay.
Um, in regard to the, uh, landscaping at Virginia Park, I'm not opposed to landscaping anywhere. In fact, I'd love to see more of it,
but
my neighborhood had its landscaping reduced a couple years ago.
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maintained. I'm told it's because we don't have the resources. It looks pretty shabby. So, um, you know, I want to know if they're going to be able to do that. Are they going to be able to do, you know, other areas? And in particular,
‸ well, in particular, not even my neighborhood, but the
areas that are, are actually entryways into the city.
Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree with you on that. But, but again, I did this before a couple of years. I, I have to bring up priorities in my own district. And so, so I think this is up to other district members to do that for their own district. So, um, but I, but I do agree with you on that. If that's a concern of yours, but I know again, I would like for the city manager to have that conversation if possible. Because again, we share, ‸ we share that street with the city of Rockledge. I just say that. Um, and to
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Morgan, as far as the $500,000 for the asphalt is, I know we raised that up.
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Let me, let me talk a little bit because, ‸ because you know, I want to be transparent. So, so in the
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Okay.
Um,
and we can do those land escaping sort of things. Let me tell you
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uh, we talked about the,
uh,
number three, the Cocoa Brightline station gateway road there. And so as we negotiate with Walmart to, to have them give us some of their property so we can create that road, um, part of the negotiation centers around
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And so we don't know what we're going to need, but again, I just want to be open. So we're, we're sort of holding those dollars, uh, back in terms of doing anything ‸ until we actually negotiate out that deal. Hopefully we'll get, uh, federal dollars there. But again,
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you
remember how much we're asking them for their property?
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Yeah. So, so we are trying to, trying to make that happen. Um, again,
um,
again,
you know, we, we would, uh, we would landscape it and then there would be another, uh, entrance point for, for, um, for Walmart. Just to sort of, to do the swap of, give us some of your property and we'll make the road, uh, pretty for everybody. Okay.
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I don't know. Are you looking at the screen?
I am looking at the screen, but I have my list here as well, but I don't, it hasn't popped up on my screen yet. Uh,
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Okay. Um, yes. Uh, and I will say, I think I've got on there about the entrances to the city along, uh, with what Alex said.
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but all the entrances to the city definitely need sprucing up to make us look better. But yeah, my, my first priority was, um, I did not want to see the property taxes go up because everybody screamed very loudly last year, even though the millage rate didn't go up, their property values did and their taxes went up. And I've heard so much from people about that. So I'd like it where they're the, now, obviously we have a lot of new homes and a lot of new properties coming on board. And so we will get additional funds from that. But I would sure like to see us, uh, keep, um, not the millage rate, but have it at the point where their taxes are the same this year as they were last year. So, uh, my phone's not ringing off the hook with people screaming about their taxes. Um,
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park is my number two. And, um, and I also have heard that there are grants that we could put in for to help with that, uh, with those costs to make that money that we have go even further. And eventually I would like to see it have a pavilion and, uh, bathroom's there at that entrance.
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like,
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to have, you know, groups going in there. Yes. There are bathrooms across the street at Juni Rios, but they'd have to go over 524 and it'd be nice to have those there. Uh, so I see one and two. What was my,
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know, time is of the essence of that. So I put that as number three. And then, um, what did I, can you scroll down?
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Yeah. Uh, I would like to, and again, it goes along with what Alex said. All of the entrances to the city really could use sprucing up. We, we look a little dingy along there. And, um, and then I think I've got on the garbage along 524, uh, that I got a second call today from somebody about the garbage and about the homeless camp next to the CVS. I told him to call the police when he saw them there, he said he was going to put a trail cam out there. So he'd know when the homeless people were there to call the police. So,
um,
but anyway, uh, Oh yeah. I'm planning for
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Um, with all those 400 homes going at the end of Friday road. Uh, those, I mean, the people between 524 and the new subdivision
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my goodness, when you add another 400 people driving down that road, um, we need to do something. Now
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is that a county road?
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Yeah. Yeah.
But we can maybe light a fire under them. So that was my priorities. And we do need to plan for a new fire station.
Okay.
And I love the hospital idea. I think we've got land out in my section.
Okay. Um, I don't matter if we have any other, uh, council input, but.
Uh,
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like to see in district two, uh, is, okay. ‸ Let me get, ‸ I'm sorry.
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Sorry.
You want to say something about
district three? No, no, I was gonna ‸ speak on something else.
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I think she's done on hers.
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was asking. Yeah, I am other council member priorities or wishes.
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so I already know that it's budgeted.
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I would love for a large chunk of debt.
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uh, for that to be, uh, the neighborhood south of Dixon Boulevard and district two, um, where many of the streets are in bad shape.
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Right. You'll, you'll, she'll, she'll send the.
Yeah.
On that area. We'll send out the list, the list of, uh, the priorities there.
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mean, we, we arm wrestle each year about the list and how we came to the list there, but we'll, we'll put that back that ball back in your courts. And so we, we do have a list that is recommended by the pavement management system.
And secondly, uh, I've been thinking long and hard on this one.
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throws that I'm going to throw out there. And, um, I don't know if the council entertain it, but, uh,
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the city manager and staff, if this is possible, uh, for the city to look at, there's two large properties within district two. Uh, one of the properties is shared with district four, um, to investigate and see if some of these properties are willing to, uh,
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willing to entertain, uh, selling those properties to the city. Um, and yeah, I believe one of the properties may be behind on their taxes.
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sell those properties to the city, uh, for the purpose of, uh, some mixed use development, um, redevelopment, redeveloping those properties is currently
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eyesore to the city,
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we did on 524. Uh, we're serious in the old Winn-Dixie. Um, those properties are
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and the other is the building that's shared by Save-A-Lot currently.
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Bird
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Uh, there's a couple businesses I've seen going out of business there. So I don't know if the property owner may be willing to, uh, entertain that. And also,
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Um, I believe it's Kurt. The
building would save a lot?
The whole plaza is under one ownership.
Yeah. Yeah.
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I did talk with you. He said he won't pay his property taxes.
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The people who live their life on the internet are the two higher attention.
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Um, if anything, you know, the best way to help stimulate and rejuvenate that area.
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Booyah baby.
I would love what happened. Absolutely. That's a long shot.
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independent tours of Tampa.
That was one of the suggestions I actually received, um, at one of the conferences. Uh, ‸ first, uh, try to negotiate with the property owners, see if they're willing to entertain it. Secondly,
uh,
something similar to what the mayor just alluded to,
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Here's my own concern. Two things. Time. Time could be with you or
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We
talked about that last night. Yep.
Um,
what can be with you
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I think the county commissioners may vote for him. So, all we need to do is count the three.
So,
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the city
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direction. So, um, you guys,
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been here longer than I've been here. Um, uh, I would love to see that area thrive, um, and come to life.
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Um, also to point out that that is a park desert for those communities.
Um,
but the,
um,
the status of the complete streets there, I mean, they were
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they've talked about in this. Yeah, we're
just on that project is just beginning.
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a couple of meetings on that,
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committee meetings on that. Mrs. Morgan is actually, uh, on the meeting with that. I always forget the young lady's name. That's there. What's her name?
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Oh, Myra.
Myra. Yeah. So, so we've been there again. They, they've, they've had a couple of meetings on that. That will,
uh,
that will, uh, that will eventually, uh, go to some plan that, uh, that, uh, is form. It'll be eventually formalized in some plan. So, so they are at the beginning stages of that process. You know, the, the, the, uh, kind of funny,
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I just had a call on bird plaza today and it was from the real ‸ estate agent. And, and there, and I've met with the management team. I met with the owner and, and city doesn't have enough to actually buy the plaza.
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I can tell you what's going to make bird plaza, what's going to contribute to the redevelopment of bird plaza will be the train station. Um, you know, we got a call from a gentleman that was ‸ riding the train who asked about it, uh, more than a couple of months ago. And so, um, the call today was about their code issues. You know, they, they, uh, you know, again, there, there's just some terrible buildings in bird plaza. And so,
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their code, uh, issues, you know?
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seen it in Rockledge that those old shopping centers, and just
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know,
um,
they, once, once the train happens there, I do believe we're going to see some, some energy with regards to, uh, Bird Plaza. In terms of the, the streetscaping and
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the update on the, uh, on the Pineda Dixon crossing?
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We received the, uh, the estimated, um, uh, construction cost for
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Um, and so the plan is to go, um, to the TIFT board and, um, request jointly with the county, uh, for funds to help
the city.
To
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Didn't, I thought we already went?
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tax,
the transportation impact fee committee there. And so we, we've already asked and received authorization to utilize, uh, some of our transportation impact fees for that project. Now the county.
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Yeah. Is that not the construction?
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The design was completed last, um, I want to say October.
So now we have to go back for construction. For construction. Okay. So we, we contributed to the design.
Correct.
And ‸ now we're going to go and ask for, uh, what's our, what would be our contribution?
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so do that times two, you can see how expensive those, those, uh, those projects are, but, but again, going to the committee to ask for, uh, use of our transportation impact fees to complete that project. You don't know when that meeting is.
Um,
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I'm waiting for the email from the county requesting availability to set that meeting up.
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I have that.
Okay.
Okay.
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Because,
um, and I went back and of course I've always had my list.
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uh, that have been supported, but overall it's the same list that I've been presenting every year.
Um,
some real doable things. They're all pretty doable. Not that expensive. Oh, with the exception of, I would really like to see the, uh, the police waterways vessel.
I
know that would be an expensive item, but ‸ short of that, a couple of things I think are really necessary for the neighborhoods. And starting with the Cambridge neighborhood to have some, add some high visibility crosswalks
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we did Cambridge last year, but, um, still getting complaints, of course, from this neighborhood and every other, um, about speeding and the cross roads, you know, the crosswalks at least give some signals to slow down and, um, an option for safety. Um, you've also heard me talk about the acoustic padding for the gym at Travis so that it'll be more useful.
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set up there is, that was kind of a waste of our money at this point, unless there's some sort of division between the play areas and the computer areas as there is at Jolie. Um, either through some curtain or, you know, ‸ set up, they're just not, they're going to become outdated, you know, before they have anywhere.
Um,
for a long time, I've asked about bus shelters. I've talked with scat. I've talked with Stockton. We thought we had something going on clear Lake. We've got communities that use a lot of public transportation there. So ‸ the one we're looking at clear wake clear Lake Isles in that area. We now have orchid lakes that is there as well. So potentially a lot of people that would like to use the public transportation system.
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know, the, um, the history museum.
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Again, and also the corridor to the high school. And it's pretty nice going down Michigan Avenue. I know we, it
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been a decade or more when we did that work going down Michigan. And the curved sidewalks with the trees that lead to the high school. But I really think that's important because when people are coming to your city, if they have kids, they're going to be going to visit the schools. And first impressions count. So
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Um, I don't know. That's a, is that our road?
I'm sorry. Yeah.
Is that our road?
Yes. At some point it's counting.
Yeah.
I
would like to see that pushed up.
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Uh,
you know, really to do it right is probably a bigger project. But at some point I think it's really important in terms of,
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They're going to be looking at the schools and the entryways to them. Um, septic to sewer. And in this case, I'm interested in some sort of,
nice
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I talked about this last year as well, but the residents that are within the
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that are already near a sewer line using ‸ that money through the sorrel to hook up. Most of those people, they likely don't even know the money's available. Um,
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and it's paid for a lot of those completely. So, and, and I guess somebody's writing these down, right?
Yes.
Okay. The bus shelters. Okay. The, the, the, um, crosswalks like Cambridge, the acoustic padding for the gym, the septic to sewer and the corridors overall. I agree with everyone else that has spoken about those, um, today. The, looking at my list, it occurs to me that a lot of the projects and a lot of my frustrations have been not in competence, but in capacity. And so also high on my list
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We've discussed this before, but we have a window here before our current city manager is retiring. And we have talent in the area now. I mean, there, there's some talent out there and we have some high visibility. I would imagine intensive in terms of the time needed from the city manager for the projects that we have developing around Brightline and elsewhere. So I would like to have that discussion.
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Not a question of
competence.
You ask me the
question, now I'm asking. He
will tell us if he wants assistance or if he needs an assistant city manager. ‸ You know, that's his obligation.
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has been doing this for 30 years, you know. Plus, so if he's not able to speak up and say,
I
would like to consider presenting a package to you until that happens, then he'll let us know. That's all. I believe in him. I trust his judgment.
I
would ask,
this is not a matter of believing in him and it's not a matter of competence. I would ask you not to gaslight it on that because it's about capacity. I have so many things that have dropped off lists that don't involve a lot of money, but they do involve some attention to detail.
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That's why we have to staff.
Again,
it's not competence. It's capacity. We're putting in a bright line station, which could be very big and so momentous for us now and
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so much more capacity than we have at the administrative level, particularly at these initial steps.
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do that at any time.
Thank
you. It has to be budgeted. Even if I had an assistant, ‸ until I'm gone, I'm going to be in first seat on the bright line. ‸ I feel like I, in part, did a whole lot to actually get them to the table in terms of choosing Cocoa as a location because you remember the ‸ discussions from two years ago was ‸ them going out to RFP.
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you have five different council members and you have five different lists. And so, it is always a matter of the council deciding what their priorities are from those lists. And so, that's ‸ not a matter of me dropping anything. That's not having direction from the council to run and to ‸ address the individual
list
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I've always said ‸ to the council that you need to prioritize the list. You need to make it a council list because if not, ‸ we're in this same discussion that we're having.
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list there.
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the city hanging with regards to some sort of a transition plan. And who I pick may not be the choice ‸ of the next council anyway. And so, you know,
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number two because the number two is always going to have to run through the number one.
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progress ‸ we've made and about what we're doing and the energy that ‸ we have. ‸ But again, at the end of the day, at the appropriate time there, ‸ I'll ask somebody if they want to come on board again. That's always difficult because you have the outgoing manager bringing on someone and then you have elections next year. Very honestly, the end of my ‸ contract is ‸ August, ‸ October 8th, midnight of 2027. So, I think I got time.
Can I respond? Because first of all, I made it really clear it wasn't about competence. No, I didn't say that.
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I don't feel like you said anything with regards to my competency. I heard you loud and clear when you said it's a matter of capacity.
And
I think we have the capacity to do everything that the council has directed. ‸ And
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So, again, we can have a number two. But again, a number two isn't going to, again, it is the collective wisdom and the collective vote and direction of the council. That's the only point that I'm making. But I'm also making the point to where I am fully aware that there needs ‸ to be, at least on an interim basis or whatever,
the
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then council decides someone ready to take over when I walk out the door in 2027 or earlier or ‸ later. ‸ So, again,
the
type of things that I've requested that fall off the list are not even things that would go to the council level.
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I asked for someone to give a presentation in the council meeting. Different little things. I mean, you know I keep lists and notes from our meetings. And there are a lot of things that I don't have the ability to call other directors. I think,
you
know, we've discussed that. You've sent out memos to us about not contacting other directors to get things done.
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If I can't get a response from you, it's hard for me to respond to my constituents.
‸ I don't send out directives to not respond. I
sent
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out directives to follow the charter.
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of,
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staff. And ‸ so I just hold us all to the fidelity of the charter because, again, if they have six different bosses, they're running in six different directions. And so, ‸ again, ‸ that's not inconsistent with any other person in the business of public administration. And so at the end ‸ of the day, you know, I can go out and hire somebody and that person may not be acceptable to you. And when the time is right and when that person is available, I'll certainly do what is necessary. Again, the not spending those dollars ‸ has allowed us to address the overtime for the firefighters, other expenses that ‸ have come up there. ‸ And so I like having that flexibility. Again, it takes some time to learn the job. It takes some time to get comfortable in the job. And I'm not, I'm never gonna,
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have a co-captain. I ain't doing this as everything falls on my shoulder and someone comes in and believes that they're co-captain of the team or leader of the team. And so, again, that person will work at my direction. And so, I'm pretty sad on how I, how I lead after 35 years of doing this. But, but
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again, it, things don't drop off a list simply because we don't have the capacity. It, it is the direction of the council that I've always said I needed, you know. And let me
clarify again, the type of things dropping off the list are not, in general, the type of things would even go to council. Okay. They're constituent requests, constituent concerns.
Like, like what, ma'am?
I will come to you with lists. You know I'd keep a lot of notes.
Yeah,
I,
yeah, okay.
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I
mean, I'm not telling you anything new.
Okay.
But I would like to hear from other council too, other council members.
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That was something that, you know, my, uh, my list for a while.
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changes to the charter? I believe there's some things that we have
to do to be updated. I believe.
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I don't have all the
items on me right now, but, uh, I would love to have the
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Okay.
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Um, but I'm just trying to figure out what brought this on. That's all. What else, sir? The folks yours? Um, the folks. Okay.
Does the charter have to go to the, to a vote? Um,
so,
I, I, I, I,
I understand that at the, at the end of the day, he has a, he has an end to his contract and
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he will have a plan, uh, in place.
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Do,
do me and him have a, uh, believe me, I call him 27 times in a row if I need to.
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next day, but he also tells me, Hey, look, I was in a meeting. He had sent a text to me.
Um,
but I think to his point, it's our job to make motions. It's our job to give him direction. Um, I've made plenty of mistakes as well to having discussions without direction.
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It was nothing supposed to happen to that because I did not do the job as a council person to give direction, um, to him. So I'm speaking for myself on that part.
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can carry out whatever that wish is, um, that we're asking for. And so, you know, I,
I
believe he, he's going to lead us in the right direction on his way out. You know,
uh,
I don't know when that timeframe is, but I'm pretty sure he, he has that, um,
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date and time. And I believe he, he knows what timeframe he needs to do that.
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was the, when was the last time, um, there was a review on the charter? Just a, just a question. Anybody know that answer?
Um, I think it was, uh, 2010 maybe? 2010. And so, but that's, but that's a question. Like when was the last time the U S constitution? ‸ Right. It's true. Point taken. Point taken.
Yeah.
Yeah. Well, well, all reason I, I made, I made that statement, just ‸ same thing I said with about the CBD. And so the, the, we had some, some concerns or questions about things that are old and outdated that sometimes need to come up. And, and to, to the mayor's point, maybe we, maybe we need to just review those things that we need to bring to the table instead of having a meeting about it. It might be a good thing to, um, review those things ourselves,
bring
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those things back and then have the collective discussion about those things.
Uh,
cloud, like the last meeting, I brought up some things I had concerns with.
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wrong for asking for that review, especially if it has not been for 2010. And if he looks through it and sees some things that may be, uh, like, like I brought up about the, uh, advertising, uh, what they call it, attention, attention seeking signs or whatever they'll call those things.
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I don't have any, any issues, um, with him not having a city manager at this time. I, I don't, I personally don't.
Okay.
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I mean, the evaluation of the city manager is indicative of his performance.
because
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I look at one work, Coco Groves, Brightline, the list can go on and on and the improvements that we've had and experienced.
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And I'm not going to get in the game of semantics. Hey y'all, I may consider having an assistant city manager. I'm
not,
whereas I think it is sometimes it might be personal when you don't get your choice.
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Yeah. Cut through the chase. Okay. So that then, you know, here we go. But I'm just saying this is the way I feel about it. Um, this man has been in this position for 35 plus years. And I mean, are you upset with this man? No. Are you upset with this man?
No.
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I do not get responses that I need to get to be an effective
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I don't get to call. I mean, I used to call and there were no responses. I stopped calling. I basically limited to the hour and a half that we have each week.
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that time.
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Now this again, I ask you, Mayor, please don't gaslight me. This is not about competence. It's ‸ about capacity.
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able to, I should be able to express
my
experience and my perspective. And at any rate, obvious it won't go anywhere.
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as I do every year. Most of the things I'm requesting don't really require a lot of money.
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those.
But
I just want to know that we're going to spend time. I just want things to go somewhere. And my requests have not been unreasonable. They're not any different than I see other people doing.
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And so ‸ if you were to tune in tonight and you ‸ hear, I don't get any responses. That's an absolute statement. I don't get any responses. It's just simply not true.
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And ‸ again, you know, ‸ one of the toughest jobs to have is a job of city or county manager. But to say, I don't get any responses and let's just take the, the, the, the bus shelters as an issue. You know, I presented that to the county. I've got gotten several different answers on that. I don't even know what their process is now, but that's a county process.
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not true.
I agree. That's.
And so.
If I stated that, that was incorrect.
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you know, I mean, even, even as we, as we, as we do the list tonight, you, you guys still didn't say, okay, we're going to take those and we're going to put them together. And here are the five priorities of the council. I just don't, I
just,
I don't, I don't have that. And so, and so if there's a code issue that's presented, you know, they can answer questions all day long. It's in the black and white of the charter. They can answer questions all day long. What you can't do is direct them to do certain things. And I've made that clear. I've made that clear. I've, I've, I've given you the charter language, you being the council, I've given the directors the charter language.
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Uh, it just, it, it, you, you get out of the old system of governance. You know, you get out of having these district commissioners, district council people that are directing staff, not based on the wisdom of the council, but based on the ‸ preferences of individual council members. And that's, that's, that's why the, the council manager form of government, uh, came to be. And so, so, you know, staff has not been directed to not answer questions. They know that they can answer questions. Staff has been directed not to take direction and that's in the charter. And, and so you can review the charter and you can submit to the voters, uh,
uh, a
suggested change in that, in that, uh, ‸ system of governance. But, but again, I've been pretty clear with, uh, staff and all of the emails that I've sent to them.
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have their daily, uh,
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tasks and duties and responsibilities. And if they're again, chasing or running in five and six different directions, they can't get those done.
And I don't think I've ever violated that part of the charter.
At
least when I asked you if I had, you didn't, you said I hadn't.
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So, um, again, well, we'll see.
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don't know what that looks like. So when you say certain things, or the audience may not, ‸ they're not a part of that conversation. But when you say certain things, it sounds as fact.
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about competence, even though it keeps getting directed that way as a defense mechanism.
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I'm not. I know you're not questioning my competence, ma'am.
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And
so
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that I'm used to, and so ‸ my hands are dirtier here as the city manager than they were as the county manager. Because ‸ we had layers and layers of staff. And I think appropriately so.
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Again, you know, at some point you ‸ bring in a, ‸ you implement a succession plan. And you hope that the person that you selected as an administrator will meet the political test of the council at the time.
You
know?
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guarantees that the second in charge will become the number one.
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missing a whole lot. You know, I've, I've, I've done more. I have a meeting twice a week on planning and zoning issues. I have a meeting on Monday with the planners.
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planners, with the assistant city attorney. And, and, and so, um, I don't think that I'm, I'm missing anything. I don't think that a number two would be able to say, oh, ignore the charter and just go and direct the, the directors to do whatever, uh, whatever you feel they need to be doing, you know? And again, and I'm telling you, and, and it's probably good that I plan on this being my last stop in government. I'm telling you that I'm not set up at this particular point in time to, to have a co-leader, you know? And so, so if the thought is, is that a second in charge gets to, gets to, to provide direction that is not sanctioned by me, then that's just, that's just not how I'm operating at this point in my career. And so again, I, I am, I am, uh, I have the best interests of the city of Cocoa at heart.
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uh, that I've done as city manager, um, weren't doing, done previously.
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know, I ride around and this is home to me.
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city of Cocoa. I don't live in unincorporated. I've been here for 31 years.
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that I never thought I would, you know? And we can start with, um, with, uh, my picture on a sign and, and that, that didn't really, that doesn't bother me. Um,
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on the internet.
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you, you, you put on the internet where I shop for my groceries.
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ready, I'm ready for you, you know?
And
so, and so, um, you know, but,
but
what did bother me was, um, I never knew that
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And so, the day he told me that, I felt really bad for him being on that sign because, again, all the junk that they put on the sign is not true, you know? And, and having to deal with that, um, you know, is, is ridiculous. Uh, having to deal with being here for 31 years and when an individual feels as though I've not, uh, met their public records requests, uh, um, swearing out a complaint
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I've, I've never experienced that. Um, ‸ and so, um, I, I'm here committed to the city. I committed to the city when I signed the contract and I took out the provision that allowed you all to allow me to live outside the city. Um, I asked for the extension because there are some things that I want to get done and I froze my salary as a trade-off for that. And so, I'm proud of what I've done, um, and I haven't done ‸ anything because it's the directors, it's the, it's the city attorney's offices that's doing all the work. I,
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timelines to get those ideas, uh, implemented. But, but again, I think we have momentum. I think I have capacity. I don't think anything has been dropped. Um, I get the frustration of having things that you want done, those things not getting done. And those are not,
uh,
those are not me just being, um, um, those are not because I am, I am, uh, uh, resistant to those. I, I feel like, again, go back to this list that I need council direction and, and that's the way this thing is set up. And so, and so again, I don't think we've dropped anything on the code enforcement side. Uh, uh, I don't think we've dropped anything in terms of conti constituent requests or complaints on the, uh, on the, on the law enforcement side. Because again, I tell them to respond, you know, um, and, and they, you don't have to take my word for it.
You
can grab them and have ‸ individual conversations about whether or not I'm directing them not to respond to certain council members or any council members there. Because again, the language of the charter is clear says for purposes of inquiry, you have every right to, uh, to have a dialogue with them.
Originally originated and Anthony Garganese ‸ can expound on that is the Leroy Johnson. ‸ Do you recall that Mr. Garganese? Yes. Yes, I spoke up. Yes, sir.
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Are you there, ma'am? Okay. Okay. Okay. Now open the
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summarize what I've witnessed and experienced for quite a few years during the term of the council that's here and I'm talking about issues that I have also experienced as well as noticed of how things are being handled to other people, which includes staff. And we're talking about micromanaging big time and that is the problem I've been seeing regularly the micromanaging that is not the position of a council member. That has been violated numerous times where we had to have public apologies expected to some of the staff members here. That is unacceptable to me. Totally. And that's the part that bothers me the most. Another example is getting involved beyond your position as a council member I even went as far as sending a complaint to the ethics committee about one of the council members here and I can share that information but I don't have to embellish I don't have to give misinformation everything that I am stating now I can prove it as a fact and I'm tired of it tired of all the misleading information the lies and I ‸ cannot stand to sit here and see criticism for a group
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the majority are 100% for the betterment of the city and all I'm hearing is complaints there's nobody good enough for one council person nobody since I've been here and since that person has been on the board and
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that council person that's been identified really is the naysayer of the group, point of order ‸ say something
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that title came from and I got proof of that because it was denied during the counseling all right and then I also don't appreciate from last night because I didn't get a chance to respond
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council when we're talking about the hotel
Yet when I brought that group, they just didn't have enough money like the current group is working here. But yet it was insinuated that I failed to present a group of people to build a hotel here. I can't believe that when that council member voted several times for the
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failed on. I'm shocked.
Okay, so.
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that,
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I don't think so.
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I'm not going to be lectured by you. Yes, he did file a complaint with the Ethics Commission. What? Okay, well, he did file a complaint with the Ethics Commission.
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voted against.
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got that up that year in delegations to defame me, and that was allowed. It was at the same time that, you know, I said that an opponent was running against me. Seven times he got up, defamed me, said I had done illegal activities, and that ‸ was allowed to be repeated on seven different occasions. The Ethics Commission replied to his complaint, and this paragraph captures it,
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to the preservation of wetlands and development. However, just because one disagrees with the policies and viewpoints of a public official, that does not mean the public officials actions are corrupt. Yet on seven different occasions, he was allowed to continue to say that I had done illegal, I was doing illegal things. And when I tried to make a point of order, it was ignored. So, you know, this is, you're right, this has been going on several years, except, you know, it's been going on since around 22, when he brought forward that zoning change, and the community came out against it. As well as our own comp plan denied him the ability to be able to increase that density. So it wasn't a
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going on for three years. I'm really sick of the lectures. It's unfortunate ‸ that Mary Burgess has resigned from the Planning and Zoning Committee. She told me that it was
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meeting. And this is, this has displayed a sense of entitlement that I, you know, I respect the fact that Mr. Greenwood comes to all our meetings and is involved. And for that reason, you know, ‸ he, like everyone else, needs to be listened to. But this has been harassment. It's been focused on one person, and it's been done with the knowledge of several people here.
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that you've had to go through the things as well as the chiefs that you have.
But
what I've gone through in the first couple of years, I was stalked. And in very, yeah, I was stalked.
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So, yes, I've been through it too.
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kind of, this kind of harassment from someone that is going from one council member to another, it's not good. And it's, it's apparent to our public. And as far as, you know, the Ethics Commission, letters to the governors, I mean, it is not illegal. It is not wrong for a council person not to agree with your position. And it, there is nothing wrong with me having a different perspective or opinion than other members on this council. I bring a lot to this table and ‸ I expect to be respected, not dismissed or demeaned.
Okay. Let me ask what you want to say.
I have to,
sir.
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And the insinuations made tonight were ridiculous. ‸ Micromanaging, really?
So,
at any rate, I'm really done with the bullying and the harassment.
Hello? Hey, it's me. You missed the fireworks. I've
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I've been listening the whole time. So, I just wanted to say that it's been quite something to listen to. And, yes, everybody's entitled to their opinion.
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to have it along with everybody else. So, I'm sorry that you've been harassed that way. I just wanted to say that.
Thank you.
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Mr.
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it seems like a lot of them were similar when I looked at them, when I heard them. And so, I do think we'll be able to combine them and get some things done in Cocoa that we all want done. And so, y'all have a good night. I'm going to hang up now. And I'll see y'all back in Brevard County next week. Bye-bye.
Thank you.
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when you meet with the city manager, just ‸ nothing long-winded. Do you believe that it is a, that you get things accomplished in those meetings? And if, and if you don't, I guess my question is, why meet with him in that time frame? And why not consider changing that strategy if you, if you feel like it's a painful situation to go through that, whatever that may be, if you feel that way, why not change? Because we have this discussion every single year. So why not change that strategy possibly?
So we do get things accomplished.
Okay.
Period. Okay. There are a lot of things that drop off and I'm accountable like you are to my constituents. And when I don't get responses back or follow up doesn't happen for many weeks, um, and it's because it's assigned to other people or maybe not assigned at all. But I do get things accomplished.
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taking on phone calls from individuals that may be rude but you maintain a positive decorum
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So on behalf of you all, I thank you employees of the great city of Cocoa, city attorney, city manager, and council members,
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the citizens of Cocoa. You are ‸ making a difference.
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That's
very good. Chair, I'm taking the motion on the floor,
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I'll
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