We will call the meeting to order. If everyone could please stand. Face the flag for the Pledge of Allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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do the roll call, please.
Chairperson Park.
He's here.
Vice Chair Anderson.
Present.
Board Member Chabot.
Here.
Board Member Finley. Here. Board Member Greenwood.
Here.
Board Member Jones. Board Member Stewart. Board Member Wheeler.
Present.
And then City Attorney Ike. Present.
All right. Thank you, ma'am.
Oh, and I'm so sorry. Board Member Sengel. Thank you.
All right. So, item number two, approval of the agenda in minutes.
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Are we allowed to do the postponing now? That way it's official. No, this is the agenda is the first item. Going over the agenda for tonight.
I
will, um, if we can do a motion when we get there, that would be...
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Thank you, ma'am. All right. So, can I get a motion to ‸ approve the minutes? Or make adjustments as needed? ‸ The first one is the agenda. Approval of the agenda. Oh, ‸ I apologize.
Chair,
I
move to accept the agenda as printed. All right. Thank you, sir. Can I get a second?
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All right. Second, ‸ Mr. Russell. All right. Any discussion on the minutes?
Or,
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Sorry. All right. Then, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Excellent.
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The minutes for the regular meeting, our last meeting on April 2nd, 2025. Has everyone had sufficient time to look over the minutes? And, if so, provide a motion.
Motion to accept as submitted.
All right. Thank you. I have a motion.
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Any further discussion on the motion? All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Excellent. Nothing under old business.
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We have item 4.1 and 4.2 requested to be postponed. Do we need to do these separately?
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I know that we have to call out the date and everything, but can
we
be done together?
Date, time, and place. Yes, ma'am. But,
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Thank you very much. Yes, sir.
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2025. That's it.
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motion to move our new business items 1 and 2 to our
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‸ meeting at 6 p.m.
I
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get
a second for that.
Second. All right. I have a second.
Any further discussion on the motion to postpone the meeting to June 4th?
All right.
All
in favor, please
say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Excellent. All right. There we go. So, we will move on to the unpostponed item, number 3. Consideration of a preliminary planned unit development consistent with Appendix A, Zoning Article 11, Section 17,
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in the city of Cocoa. I learned how to read today. I'm pretty proud of myself.
Thank you, Chairperson Park. So,
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present this item this evening.
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Do I have the ability to advance the slides?
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All right. Good evening.
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As Jennifer noted, this is a preliminary PUD, meaning it's the first step in the PUD rezoning process. This is a 76 acre site located at the
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And they are proposing a 230 lot subdivision consisting of single family detached dwelling types along with open space and recreational amenities. ‸ The subject property is outlined in red again north west corner of
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This is an area of emerging growth as you can see on that aerial location map.
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west. You have lakeside palm subdivisions to the northeast and as well as other developments in the surrounding area and the city of Cocoa as well as
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The applicable city zoning category is RU17. The underlying future land use category is very low density residential. This category allows up to four dwelling units per acre as well as residential dwelling types similar to those being requested.
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in more detail. But this is the general layout in your application package.
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Lake Road providing access to the site. You can see large water management systems for on-site stormwater management.
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when they're abutting a natural water body. So that's the reasoning for the red. That can look maybe negative on the screen, but it's ‸ actually not proposed to be impacted. ‸ Those areas will remain as preservation. You can see ‸ the lots are shown in the peach and yellow color. The site is predominantly the 40-foot wide lots shown in yellow.
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as the portion of the north are the 50-foot wide lots. You'll also note near the Plucky Bomb entrance there is a red area that's shaded and that is their on-site amenity center for use by the residents. The perimeter buffers are 25 feet in width and as noted on the site plan, there are areas where there'll be some fencing and walls where the proposed homes abut existing development surrounding the property. I've covered most of these in terms of the lot mix. The site will and must meet our open space requirements in the land development code, which is just under 15 acres of open space.
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our code for what can contribute to open space. It was noted in the staff report there are a significant amount of wetlands on the property. There is a significant amount of wetlands being impacted. There's also wetlands being preserved. We have worked with the applicant and requested additional information through the review process to ensure that the wetlands they're impacting are in fact low quality. So getting that data is part of the environmental report. And they also provided data from the St. Johns River Water Management District that also corroborated the idea that they're impacting lower quality wetlands that are not really contributing. To the ecology of the area and
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So we were able to come to a finding based on the information they provided that this will be an overall enhancement to the area once they're done restoration ‸ of the preserve areas. They provided elevations within their package. You'll note for about six of the elevations.
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door paint color so that we could ensure that all of the 70 elevations they provided are of a quality. that would be what the city of Cocoa would like to see out of the project so these are just a selection of some of the different 40 and 50 foot wide product types that they would fit on these lots. And
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report and run with the project so then what comes back for final PUD and then subsequent approvals we would make sure that the elevations match what you're seeing here today. in our staff report, we did a detailed ‸ review of the project's consistency with the comprehensive plan. This is below the maximum allowable density in the underlying very low density
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land use category. It comes in at three units per acre, whereas that court category allows up to four. It's also consistent in that it will not overburden the roadway network as required in your transportation element. There's water and sewer through cocoa and Rockledge to provide for the project and
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Something also
of note is
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they will have to pay mitigation or purchase mitigation credits through the water management district also to offset the wetland impacts. We are proposing six conditions of approval for the project. Just outlining that the project, when it comes back for final PUD must comply with the plans that you're seeing here today in terms of the layout the buffers all of the details. We also wanted to attach the elevations to ensure that the ultimate product will comply with what you're seeing and recommending approval of. Also, the
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applicant has some discussion on that during their presentation, but wanting to make sure there's adequate sidewalk network in the area. Also,
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easement on the west side of the property to handle stormwater management and conveyance and then condition six is just another safeguard for the city that when this comes back at the final PUD stage that there is a full stormwater management design to the satisfaction of the public works director based on a methodology and inputs from the public works department to make sure that this site will not adversely impact the surrounding area in terms of water management so it's it's relatively atypical to have detailed stormwater management design at this early stage so we felt comfortable with this condition that we could recommend moving forward with the understanding all these details would would come forward at final PUD with that I'm available for any questions you may have
all right thank you very much does anybody have any questions
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thank
you I see the site plan here that you originally put on the top there, first showing, that's a little different than this plan that I see is that because there's a difference of lot sizes or water mitigation
no sir that's a little ‸ that's an excellent question this because of the scale the
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that's I think page four of the site plan set this is actually the open space exhibit we cropped because ‸ it it's the same exact layout it just shows the areas where the open space calculation was done but it is the same layout the lot sizes are the same as what is represented in the site plan, which is exhibit A.
So the entrance is in the different spot also
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this plan to the other. and it also I think shows the location of the amenity
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and I apologize if anything is
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okay
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have right now
thank you thank you
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good question good question Mr. Wheeler yeah
good evening I do have a couple of clarifying questions based on the over inundation of information we've done a great job
with
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that
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you reading but beyond that I want clarification on a specific ‸ term that you have utilized in your writing and subsequently ‸ utilized in your presentation which is a term called I'm going to say exotic
vegetation.
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yes
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detail to me an example of what you would deem as an exotic vegetation I could guess one ‸ pepper tree is that what we're deeming as exotic ‸ And or and or an
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we're immersed in these subject
matters
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Is that what we're precluding in that loose term definition? correct
I think it is an industry standard term used when speaking of native vegetation so exotic means it's not native to Florida and has a tendency to overtake native vegetation so we can use different terminology certainly but you're spot on
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could be reality I'm going to put it out there now I see that there's been quite a bit of I guess we would say acreage that has been assessed for that in terms of these lakes but
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there is a lift station that's going to be in this particular area to move that water still to go back towards St. John's River and the reason why I ask that is because ‸ if anyone spent ‸ a day in that area
and it rained,
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then you would know why I would ask that there's going to be a lift station because Rock
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so I want to know how this is going to fit in ‸ your beautiful
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got
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some point so I think that needs to be known or at least at least considered
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to move other than just
storage.
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because the ultimate goal is ‸ get it
to move,
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right
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it's just going to overflow into your adjacent neighbors
which
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I don't
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behind you
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there there will be an outfall if not multiple outfalls for the stormwater to be released from the site in accordance with St. John's requirements so they can address that in their presentation
All right. Any further questions before you open it up? Yes, sir.
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areas
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total site? is it at least 40%?
We can calculate. That's not a difficult calculation. so we
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up before us
and the reason I'm
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Marcus when it does rain without this property being developed yet there has been issues that he identified that I've had other people that were bringing the same subjects up for another project that
I've had to do
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it's in that area and they satisfied the water issue there have and I don't think there's been problems since they got approved for that so that's something I'd like to ask later but I'm curious you know what the ratio is because with it being vacant it does hold water and then eventually it dissipates just like Marcus had asked ‸ so with being on-site retention you know that helps to support what the property was doing there already before it was developed
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goes beyond what they're providing here compared to the property being vacant
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before we move it to what I don't have any cards so
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all right so open it up to the applicant to speak.
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Do you solemnly swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
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So Ms.
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stole my presentation. It's very good. So thank you so much. I'll just cut to the questions if that's okay. Specifically related to the concept
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finality of the
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how
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And there was a question about a lift station for the drainage. So there's a
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system on site.
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answer to that question is yes.
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ditch is roughly elevation 11. Based on the soil support that we've already conducted on site, the water elevation is natural after elevation 13. So
the stormwater
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system is going to flow in a gravity condition
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We are required to meet what's called a pre-post condition, so pre-development condition versus post-development condition. We are not allowed to exceed that amount of water that currently today discharge is off the site in our post-development condition. So we have to retain all of that water on site and only release at that particular rate. We're working on the calculations right now to give you an idea of what a stormwater ‸ area size is relative to the overall site.
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‸ Is that better? A little bit better? Do I need to start over or was I loud enough? That's okay. So ‸ about 33% of the site. I feel like I'm really loud. And we're already in for St. John's River Water Management District permitting.
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time they're going back in through minor of the final set of comment reviews. Our wetland mitigation components are nearly complete. You would ask a question about their low quality functionality of them.
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quality wetland system. Everything out here with the exception of the two areas in green
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So they're exceptionally low. And in fact, the reason that there's wetlands on site is because in this project's previous life when it was as it operated as an agricultural operation for about 80 years, it was pumped. And when those pumps and everything turned off, the wetlands came in. It's based on a hydric soils condition. So there's not actually any kind of flora or fauna there. There's no
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again of those two higher ‸ quality areas, which is why they're noted for preservation.
‸ Thank you. Okay. All right. Any further questions? Yes, sir. Mr. Single. I
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these homes going to be built to be owned by citizens or leased like the development that's just to the north?
So these are for sale fee simple homes.
Okay. So there's no plan to change it down the road to a leasing community?
No, sir. Now, that being said, I can't stop someone from buying a home and then renting ‸ out. But no, it is a fee simple home ownership structure, not for rent community.
So we talked about the
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It's hard to conceptualize this. There's a buffer there. I see the red. There's a buffer. Is
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Or is it going to be the, well, actually it'd be the lake, I suppose?
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what we're proposing to, so that red area is not really a buffer per se.
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really is just identifying how we calculated the open space requirement. But below that there is a green space there. So there will be a buffer to an extent in that area. It's required by code. We do have plans to landscape that. And we are going to be, I'll call it softening the backside of the plucky bomb. We call it a ditch.
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And so we do want to enhance that area to make it look more presentable. And so there will be significant landscaping that's installed along that area. And then the other portion of our open space component, or one of the open space components, is putting a trail system there. And that's probably the one thing that I didn't mention, or that ‸ was left out of the presentation. I just want to point out that in addition to there being a cabana and a pool and a beachfront area in that kind of central location there on the site, there is a pedestrian trail system that's proposed. In addition to that, there will be
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here in just a minute.
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but here are just some examples.
I
know this is hard to see, but maybe we can pull that PowerPoint up and show it.
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But that's what the amenity center will in fact look like. We've constructed that one before, and that's what we intend for this one to look like as well. And because I'm standing in front of the other one, I'm just going to bring it up here and hold it. This is an example of a recently constructed trail system with the signage that I'm talking about. There's like a trail map and then there's, you know, indication of the native species and what you're going to see there. This project was recently constructed in Palm Bay. It's called the Timbers. So if you ever wanted to take down, take a drive down south and see a really ‸ nice product, this is what it looks like. And then in addition to that, we're going to have a floating dock in one of those lakes. You can see it on the exhibit. And just wanted to point out some of those amenity systems.
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A lot of these are set up to be ‸ retention areas rather than lakes. So these are actually going to be deep ‸ dug down deep lakes?
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So we will be letting the water go.
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them. They will meet the requirements of St. John's
what they
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believe, ‸ a four to one side slope. It'll be sodded two feet down below the water's edge. So during the dry months, you don't see an eroded lake bank. But they will be significant stormwater bodies, lakes. They're also going to be stocked with fish. That's one of the other amenity features that ‸ folks like to fish. Kids like to ‸ go out there and throw a pole. And
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The amenities. So I see there's a pool, there's a clubhouse, and ‸ I assume there's going to be, you know, stuff for the kids, swing sets, things of that nature.
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There could be. So
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there's an amenity.
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in picnic tables, you could have a, you know, birthday party very easily with a pool. I believe there's also,
yeah,
there is a tot lot in that same vicinity around that parking area, as you can see centrally located. We recognize that, you know, families and kids will, you know, we hope flock to this community and call it home.
So there's going to be somewhat of a park for the, somewhere for the kids to go?
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That's correct. Yeah, and we also have something, it's a unique feature. It's a beach feature. So it's near the lake.
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it to me, I thought, yeah, that doesn't sound like a great idea. There's alligators in those lakes, snakes, things like that. But really what they do is they bring in some sand. They put some Adirondack chairs in that, they're back to the lake and face forward. Sometimes they ‸ put, you know, some sand related games, bocce ball, things like that, that just add a different flavor to the community, palm trees, things like that. And that's proposed ‸ for this particular location as well.
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Clear Lake, correct?
Correct. It's going to connect to the existing lake, or I'm sorry, the existing sidewalk that Lakeside Palms constructed. We'll pick up from there and bring it south.
Okay. And last thing, the square footage of the home. What's the range on the square footage of the home that you're going to build?
I'm going to look to my left right quick, real quick.
Do you know the square footage of the range?
I don't know that off the top of my head.
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a few minutes, I'm sure a few seconds, I can probably come up with that number.
No worries. That's all I got for now.
I apologize. I'll make sure I have that information. All right.
Go ahead, sir.
Thank you for asking for the square footage.
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of concrete on the first horse, wood on the second?
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CBS construction. Second floors could also possibly be wood on top of the CBS.
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Ground floors typically the CBS.
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Not there quite yet.
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about the trees. The city's known for its oak trees and I've been already labeled as a tree lugger, but I just was curious if, and I know the code has certain requirements.
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is known for. That's all.
For the trees?
We
respectfully, the Lennar has a very robust planting system. The majority of the builders I work with, they definitely outshine everyone when it comes to landscaping. So I think you'll be very pleased in what is proposed, at least along those perimeter buffers, and then in their building packages on their homes as well.
Thank you very much. Thank
you.
All right. Thank you. And you had a question?
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I have to buy one, is it going to be vinyl siding or is this going to be
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siding? Or do we not know that at this point? It'll probably be stuck.
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Okay, and hardy. Okay, because I've come to recognize that this vinyl stuff with the floor that he, there's an undulation that happens at the beginning. It's quite tacky real quick after y'all leave.
It warps.
So, yeah.
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Any other questions for the applicant? I have a question and it may not fall on the applicant, but if you'd just stay for a second. Sure.
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Do, does
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And how many years do we have to wait until it's up to speed with all these people we're putting in there?
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I know. I know. It just hurts my heart. And how about ‸ Clear Lake?
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Okay. So that sounds good.
I
mean, that's kind of where we got to go with that. So that's my only concern.
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maybe we could get that answer now. But, uh, I don't know what, what, I know
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a bad hill to look at in combination with the city of Rockledge. Because they keep putting them on there too and they're not stopping either.
So,
alright, uh, ‸ anything else? Thank you very much.
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Yes ma'am, please.
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touched on them briefly. Staff did us a solid favor by working, you know, extra hard to help get us on this agenda package. And so we wanted, one, we want to acknowledge that and say thank you.
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staff conditions in there and we just want to, uh, we've talked to staff ahead of time. Uh, we still need to coordinate with your public works department. There's two comments on there, specifically the sidewalk along Plucky Bomb and then the width of the drainage easement along the western boundary line. We're not opposed to either of those. We just need to talk through those a little bit and modify, uh, and get comfortable with those conditions with staff. So I just wanted to let you know that, uh, we will be working with them and we've met with both or spoken with both, uh, your city attorney and, uh, planning director to discuss those items.
Alright, ‸ thank you very much. Absolutely. Alright. ‸ Any further questions before we can ask for a motion maybe after that? Anybody have a motion ‸ to propose?
I'll make a motion that, uh, we approve. I think it's a very good project at the stage that it's at because
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So at this stage I move to approve, uh, with the staff's, uh, guidelines,
uh, especially
the six, uh, guidelines that they did, uh, listed. Yes.
Yes.
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the audience. Can we just make sure there's no public comment before we vote?
‸ Sounds good. So I'll open it up to the public. Anybody like to come up and talk?
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All right. Thank you. All right.
So
the motion has been made. Anybody like to second that motion? ‸ Second.
Whew.
Sold. All right. Any further discussion on the motion? Excellent. All in favor?
Aye.
Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously. Thank you very much for the details. All right. We'll move on to item five,
the
tree board. Do we have anything for the tree board? Go ahead, sir.
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Oh.
This old veteran has a hard time hearing sometimes. Same
way. I'm not 25 anymore. Anyway,
uh,
there is, um, two items that I had, uh, done some reading on that. It really plays into what this board, um, has been presented and we had to deal with. And I thought, well, you know, I don't want us to look like that. We're the only ones on the planet that have issues when it comes to trees and being removed, probably, you know, incorrectly or without approval, things like that. So, ‸ and I didn't have enough funds to make enough copies for everybody, but I'm
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pass it down. But I'll go ahead and read,
uh,
the basic subjects and then there's other detail in it. And I can leave it with you folks or I can pick it up later.
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Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
Um,
all right. Um, one couple got fined quite substantially for unlawfully
taking
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down trees on town owned property.
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Uh, they were charged $600,000 fine.
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And then in another location, just so I don't take too much time.
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It must have been Waterbury, Connecticut.
Well, it might, it might be. Um, there was another one where there was a 400 year old oak tree that,
uh,
another private individual, uh, ‸ cut down. And they had hired what they called, uh, an expert and stated the tree was, uh, dying and that it was good to go ahead and remove it. So they started doing that without approval. And yet
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uh, which was another subdivision. The tree is not dead. It's an ancient tree. So it's in the later stages of life, but it's in good condition. And they also saw that it was branching as well. So, uh, these live oaks, these trees can live up to a thousand years, but you can take one down in a half hour to an hour. So, uh, the idea that I thought was interesting where we've had before. Before the board where someone would say that the tree was dead and then once the trees removed, it wasn't dead. So we're going to have to be real careful, uh, if to avoid something like this. And I thought I'd just share with the board an example of what's happened with other cities. We're not the only one that's having these unique points brought up.
Thank
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anything else for the tree board?
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I just comment quickly on that?
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I'll just say the city does have penalties in the city code for removal of trees without a permit. There can be fine and we have this laid out in the landscaping code, but basically there
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course to correct that action, it would involve getting the permit and doing replacements. In addition, there can be a fine up to
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per tree that is removed. um And that, because that tree is gone forever, it's an irreplaceable violation, right? So, and those, though the code board does hear those cases on occasion. So, I just wanted to provide that information to, in response to your, to your comments.
And I'm very familiar. I'm glad that the city does have those guidelines. But it's situations where even though we had the guidelines, we've experienced where trees have been removed and it was not following the right guidelines. And it can get messy like those two examples. So I just want everybody to know that we're not the only city having to deal with this type of experience. now I'm very proud of this board being that strong about trees. I'm very happy that this board is like that because
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Thank ‸ you, Mr.
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river drive to the north oh being developed and she wants me to walk the property with her. And I said, asked her why ‸ she says, I don't want it clear cut. And I, and I said, a builder, it's kind of hard to not clear cut. that you can't just, you know, go in and that's correct. It's just not economically feasible. um should I walk that property with her
just to hear or
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I'm meaning to ask the attorney this. I'm under
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to travel to the projects that's coming to this board until they're presented.
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correct. The, uh as we've talked about before, many of the applications that come before you are quasi judicial which means that you are required to make your decisions based on the record of evidence that's presented to you at the hearing. It is not advisable to go and, you know, investigate the properties or do anything like that because you run the risk that, you know, you're making decisions on evidence that hasn't been presented to everyone in this room, right? um So, no, I would not advise you to do that.
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there are numerous number of people that live about a mile away from that location and they made it very clear they do not want ‸ to see development there at all. And that's why you're being approached. uh So, I thought I'd share that with you and
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And
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of the property there, then they should buy it and that way they can have it the way that they want it.
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20 years ago. I remember that. And the community
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that as well. Recall also that we are for
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communications that you have to then disclose on the record. So, um before we hear the matter. And so, the,
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person is to say, you know, I understand that, you know, you want to discuss it. But really what I need you to do is come to the ‸ hearing and provide your, you know, your comments because otherwise,
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to rebut or, um you know, comment on what you heard. So, again, I would,
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know, bring their comments to the whole board.
Piece of cake. Yep.
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go. uh ‸ We'll ‸ go to open discussion. Item is back on. Any further open discussion items
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Please, everybody, use the microphone. Okay. um Not only for me, but for staff. It's hard to hear sometimes. And second, I don't ‸ know how everybody feels, but if we are a tree city, I don't know how y'all feel, but that's a lot of tree. um Do we, can we just do it, you know, online? Or do we have to print this out? It's
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we've had it accessible online, and for those, maybe one or two or three of us that would like it print it out, and we can request it
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out from the staff. So they're not printing all of them, but they
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what we've done in the past. I get it all together and put it out for you guys. So if you would prefer just to go online and look at it before the meeting,
after me
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whatever i that's fine. so
And I'm thinking
the
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staff, too. Right.
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um When you're given, and I consider this the information overload. That's why I said it, because if you overload me with something, how am I supposed to find true context? You bury it within all this paper.
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me what you want me to to know. It doesn't say to me what I may desire to know. So I find it very difficult when you task me, when you give me this X number of days in advance, to say, oh ‸ well, Marcus, I guess you have nothing else to do
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sit here and read this and not go
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like it's being indirectly said to me. And that's not true. I mean, there are other things that
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to humanistically say they got through this with a profound level of knowledge and understanding
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and if
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well said sir go ahead
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I believe
it's the judicial uh aspect of this. yeah
There is. So, yeah, there are some legal aspects to this. So, um again, most of the decisions that we make are quasi-judicial, which means that when, uh well, even those that aren't quasi-judicial, the the record that we build and we create,
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the documents that are given to you are part of that record. And it's important that you are given all of those because otherwise, um you know, let's say, for example,
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If that traffic impact analysis is not given to you, it's like it doesn't exist, basically, because it has to be in the record and it has to be given to you, the board, which are the decision makers. The staff are not the decision makers. But in the same context,
if you're going to give it to me, then there should be an onus of responsibility you need to have time to read it. You can't give it to me on ‸ Friday and expect me to be well prepared on a Wednesday and think I'm going to know all this stuff, for example. You're overloaded someone with with information. I mean, and that's just true. I know there's a certain turnaround time cutoffs, and but but if it's going to be, and maybe this is what I'm employing to move forward,
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is being given, not saying this is complex, if we all uniformly agreed on it, but in terms of the data that's being presented, then maybe the data needs to be given to us in in meeting A, and then decision is allowed to be made in in in meeting B, because that way it gives someone time to actually,
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‸ if you're saying to me, and I do it at work all the time, well, it was in here. Not my fault you didn't read it, but it was in here. That's what you're really saying. Well, thanks for letting me know it was in here. Didn't change the situation that's already occurred. So
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maybe I'm just, but that's how I, if it's going to be something like this, then maybe you can say, okay, let's
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let them review it. And then on the subsequent meeting, we
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we have to table it, then we table it. But there's
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to
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because I've been thinking it for a while. But it's not logical to me, but I spoke my piece about it.
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Well, I guess the only other thing I would say is, and I know you addressed the staff reports. The staff reports are intended to essentially give you the high level you know summary of a lot of these documents that you're getting. um And so if there's something that you have a concern about, then you might be diving deeper into some of the you know into the technical reports. But there is, um again, you know, the staff report is there to try to provide some analysis to you of all of the all of the documents that you're being given. I don't know. Can
I add something else to this subject? Yes. One other thing that you could possibly do, Marcus, if anybody on the board is not comfortable with exactly what you're talking about, you could bring it up for discussion and ask to have it delayed and re-presented, if it's that way when it's being presented. uh Because that's another possibility. I've seen that done before, where the council said uh on the issues that come up, we need more information, more time. Can you bring it back again and table it? Am I correct about that, uh
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or a motion can be made to postpone. I i mean, if it was if that were the case, that we would ask that you do it to a time certain, right? Because most of the things are advertised and that preserves the advertisement. um But if if it becomes an issue where a majority of the board feels that they need additional time or additional information, postponing to a time certain is always an option. um Yeah.
But it's it's best to try to avoid that. Yeah. It costs money.
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free, but there's cost
All right. Thank you, everyone. any Any further open discussion? Sorry. Right.
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so any other business to discuss? All right.
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right.
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that's it
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