Diamond Square CRA

Diamond Square Community Redevelopment Agency Special Meeting

Date: 2025-02-24
Status: Draft minutes and machine transcript available
Source: CivicClerk event #1200

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Draft minutes printed in the City's agenda packet of 2025-04-21, pp. 6–16; approval motion recorded on 2025-04-21 in the draft minutes of that meeting; result not read. The City has not posted the approved minutes. The approving motion, “to approve the Minutes for the Special Meeting of February 24, 2025, as written. II.Delegations”, is in the draft minutes printed for approval in the 2025-06-16 agenda packet (1868_6_16_2025_Diamond_Square_Agenda_Packet.pdf, packet pp. 5–9).

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Attendance (the roll call)

Listed present when the roll was taken: Tracy A. Moore, Crystal McQueen, Larry Brown, Brenda Fox, Jackie Isom, Angelia Smith, Marilyn Smith
(Checked against the ballots and the printed roll lines; no independent membership list of this board is available to confirm that the roll is complete.)
Absences: the minutes print an “ABSENT” heading with no names under it.
Also listed as present (staff and other roles): Joseph Colombo (Agency Attorney), Ryan Browne (Recording Secretary), Charlene Neuterman (Community Services Director City Manager WHITTEN Agency Liaison)
Named on at least one ballot later in the meeting: A. SMITH, Brenda Fox, Crystal McQueen, Jackie Isom, Larry J. Brown, M. SMITH, Tracy Moore (participation, which can differ from the roll: arrivals and departures are in the minutes' text)

Adopted actions (6)

to approve the A genda for the Special Meeting of February 24, 2025 and the Minutes for the Special Meeting of January 27, 2025, both as written (moved by Crystal McQueen, seconded by Jackie Isom); PASSED 7-0; ayes: Tracy Moore, Crystal McQueen, Larry J. Brown, Brenda Fox, Jackie Isom, A. SMITH, M. SMITH; nays: none — the draft minutes, packet pp. 6–16
to approve as written (moved by Crystal McQueen, seconded by Larry J. Brown); PASSED 7-0; ayes: Tracy Moore, Crystal McQueen, Larry J. Brown, Brenda Fox, Jackie Isom, A. SMITH, M. SMITH; nays: none — the draft minutes, packet pp. 6–16
to approve as written (moved by Larry J. Brown, seconded by M. SMITH); PASSED 7-0; ayes: Tracy Moore, Crystal McQueen, Larry J. Brown, Brenda Fox, Jackie Isom, A. SMITH, M. SMITH; nays: none — the draft minutes, packet pp. 6–16
to approve as written (moved by Crystal McQueen, seconded by Larry J. Brown); PASSED 7-0; ayes: Tracy Moore, Crystal McQueen, Larry J. Brown, Brenda Fox, Jackie Isom, A. SMITH, M. SMITH; nays: none — the draft minutes, packet pp. 6–16
to approve (moved by Crystal McQueen, seconded by Larry J. Brown); PASSED 7-0; ayes: Tracy Moore, Crystal McQueen, Larry J. Brown, Brenda Fox, Jackie Isom, A. SMITH, M. SMITH; nays: none — the draft minutes, packet pp. 6–16
to adjourn (moved by Larry J. Brown, seconded by Jackie Isom); PASSED 7-0; ayes: Tracy Moore, Crystal McQueen, Larry J. Brown, Brenda Fox, Jackie Isom, A. SMITH, M. SMITH; nays: none — the draft minutes, packet pp. 6–16

Draft minutes, as printed in a later agenda packet

Source: 1786_Diamond_Square_CRA_Regular_Meeting_Agenda_Packet.pdf, the agenda packet of the 2025-04-21 meeting, packet pp. 6–16; lines 202–664 of the City's text of that file. The packet's own page footers are left out below.

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MINUTES
CITY OF COCOA
DIAMOND SQUARE CRA
SPECIAL MEETING
February 24, 2025

The Special Meeting of the Diamond Square Community Redevelopment Agency was held on
February 24, 2025, at the City of Cocoa, City Hall, 65 Stone Street, Cocoa, FL, as publicly
noticed.

I. Call to Order
Vice Chairperson McQUEEN called the meeting to order at 6:05 pm.
Invocation: Vice Chairperson McQUEEN provided the invocation.

Pledge of Allegiance: Vice Chairperson McQUEEN led the Pledge of Allegiance to the
flag of the United States of America.

ROLL CALL:
Tracy A. Moore Chairperson
Crystal McQueen Vice Chairperson
Larry Brown Agency Member
Brenda Fox Agency Member
Jackie Isom Agency Member
Angelia Smith Agency Member
Marilyn Smith Agency Member
Joseph Colombo Agency Attorney
Ryan Browne Recording Secretary

PRESENT:
Tracy A. Moore Chairperson
Crystal McQueen Vice Chairperson
Larry Brown Agency Member
Brenda Fox Agency Member
Jackie Isom Agency Member
Angelia Smith Agency Member
Marilyn Smith Agency Member
Joseph Colombo Agency Attorney
Ryan Browne Recording Secretary

ABSENT:

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STAFF PRESENT:

Community Services Director NEUTERMAN, City Manager WHITTEN. Agency Liaison
GOINS absent.

II. Approval of Agenda and Minutes:

AGENDA:
Agenda - Special Meeting of February 24, 2025.

MINUTES:
Minutes – Special Meeting of January 27, 2025.

*MOTION by Vice Chairperson McQUEEN; SECONDED by Agency Member ISOM to
approve the A genda for the Special Meeting of February 24, 2025 and the Minutes
for the Special Meeting of January 27, 2025, both as written. Vice Chairperson
McQUEEN combined the approval of both the Agenda and the Minutes into one vote.

AYES: MOORE, McQUEEN, BROWN, FOX, ISOM, A. SMITH, M. SMITH.
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY (7-0)

III. Delegations:
1. Lisa McDermott. 2231 Canterbury Street, Melbourne, FL 32935. In & Out
Liquors, Inc. on 1035 King Street, Cocoa, FL 32922.
i. General Manager. Try to get some support of May 12, 2023 Zoning
Verification Letter purchased 1035 King Street. Closed Sept. 23, 2023.
$450k for Liquor License. Dec. 13, 2024 to Dec. 23, 2024 Special
Ordinance. Denial Letter. $650,000 invested in the property; $450,000 for
liquor license; help with the Council to get a BTR. Zoning did not change
until after; feel they should be approved a BTR ‘grandfathered in.’ She has
all the paperwork.
ii. Agency Member BROWN asked if the City Manager can b ring us up to
date. This is the Old Hess Station, across from Wawa, on the corner of
Fiske and SR 520.

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iii. Agency Attorney COLOMBO: The Agency Board lacks “ Subject Matter
Jurisdiction.” We do not have any action you can take, you can ask
questions.
iv. Agency Member BROWN: did you consider the church, King Street
Baptist, or his church, both less than half mile away and two other churches
and Provost Park – all nearby. At Wawa, they can purchase alcohol; they
come in and they leave.
v. Chairperson MOORE asked the City Manager for details.
vi. Manager WHITTEN explained that this location is the site of the o ld Hess
Station. Corner of SR 520 and Fiske. A Zoning Verification Letter was
sent in May explaining the current zoning and the future land use. Subject
to change. Proposed Project deemed according to Code; City of Cocoa,
disclaims any liability. Regulations could change; letter does not give you
authority to do a project. Change the Use of the Property, Site Plan
Approval Process. BTR says only that you have a license to operate. Not
issued. Advised by Staff, you must do a Site Plan Amendment. The
Ordinance is being modified. Policy direction no BTR be issued for those
properties want to redevelop next to those churches, etc.
vii. Rebuttal: BTR. Currently under review. Charlene Neuterman email; John
Haight email. Still awaiting reply. Manager WHITTEN: planners work
for him. Zoning allowed, at time, but Council changed that and notified of
the intent to change, as required. Minor Site Plan, gets approved by City
Manager. Allowed under Zoning, not Site Plan Review; it’s not done. Had
a year to start the process; they did not do that.
viii. She claims that is not fair.
ix. Agency Attorney COLOMBO reminded the Agency that she can speak, but,
no weight; unless Owner or Attorney; This Board can take no action. She
wants support with Council.
x. Manager WHITTEN: ordinance has not been changed yet; Notice of Intent
to Change it, you are governed by that notice.
xi. Chairperson MOORE: I will take the lead from our attorney; we appreciate
your dilemma, we have to follow the process; we are waiting as you are; we
suggest, follow those means, we can only listen, and we have.
xii. Thank you for listening.

IV. Presentations: None.

V. Action Items:

1. Request Agency approval to increase the standard reimbursement for the
Commercial Façade Improvement Program (CFIP) grant from $10,000 per grant
to a maximum of $20,000 reimbursement and to use Contingency via BAF # 25-

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036-A for $10,000 to increase the Commercial Façade Improvement Program
budget for FY25.
i. Introduction. Director NEUTERMAN introduced the item.
ii. Discussion.
1. Chairperson MOORE asked if the budget is okay?
2. Director NEUTERMAN responded that it can; funds
are available. We can discuss for one per year or if you
want to increase for FY26. This is also recommended
because Cocoa CRA already approved the same
measure already. This will allow both CRAs to match.
3. Agency Member FOX asked why the need for the
increase?
4. Director NEUTERMAN replied that it is due primarily
to the precipitous increase in material costs in recent
years. Too little of an incentive to use it at current rate.
5. Chairperson MOORE asked about the status of the
Commissary Kitchen that was working on an
application previously. Director NEUTERMAN
replied that they are still working with the Planning
Division to complete their required Site Plan.
iii. Vote.

*MOTION to approve by Vice Chairperson McQUEEN; SECONDED by Agency Member
BROWN, as written.

AYES: MOORE, McQUEEN, BROWN, FOX, ISOM, A. SMITH, M. SMITH.
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY (7-0)

2. Request Agency approval of a Commercial Façade Improvement Program (CFIP)
grant application for an amount not to exceed $20,000 for the property located at
625 Peachtree Street and authorize the City Manager to complete and execute a
CFIP Agreement.
iv. Introduction. Director NEUTERMAN introduced the item. Met
requirements. Staff recommends approval.
v. Applicant Presentation.
1. Ray Rivera and his wife, Susan. She is presenting he
said, because she understands plants.

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2. Chairperson MOORE asked how long have you been at
this property? Response, since 2016.
3. Susan Rivera. Goal is to protect the property, while
also beatifying the neighborhood. Walked through the
presentation PowerPoint presentation.
vi. Discussion.
1. Agency Member BROWN stated that he had met them
at the Economic Showcase. He asked what they
produce? Ray responded that he as been in the solid
waste business for over 40 years, working with
landfills, help them capture gases from landfills;
calibrate instrumentation, package filters; perimeter
monitoring, off-gassing of waste sites, provide analysis.
How many employees? 8. How many live in DS?
None. How is Diamond Square benefitting? Would you
employ someone from Diamond Square? Ray,
responded, please send me someone! I’m short-staffed.
We have people traveling. He lives in Mims. Agency
Member BROWN said he would love to see Diamond
Square residents working there – even if just summer
internships; Ray would love to support that, he
responded. He said that if you have candidates who are
interested in Biology and Chemistry – we would love to
speak with them.
vii. Vote.

*MOTION to approve by Agency Member BROWN; SECONDED by Agency Member M.
SMITH, as written.

AYES: MOORE, McQUEEN, BROWN, FOX, ISOM, A. SMITH, M. SMITH.
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY (7-0)

(Out of Order discussion)
Chairperson MOORE asked how long they have to complete this project? Director
NEUTERMAN responded that they have one year to complete this project.
Agency Member BROWN asked if staff goes out to monitor them? Director NEUTERMAN
responded that yes, our inspectors will look at it; P&Z (Planning & Zoning) will also verify
compliance.

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Chairperson MOORE mused that she hopes others in the community will see this and be
inspired. Director NEUTERMAN offered that we can create a CFIP Grant Awardee sign, so that
others can see and be inspired.
Agency Member BROWN asked if we did a sign for “Just for Kids?” Director NEUTERMAN
said, yes, but, the sign disappeared after two days.

3. Request Agency approval of a Budget Resolution to Amend the FY25 Budget,
BAF # 25-035-A, in the amount of $10,000, to top-off the Contract Services
account, to allow it to contain full funding for the fiscal year for both programs
that it pays for.
i. Introduction. Director NEUTERMAN introduced the item. We increased
ANR (Alliance for Neighborhood Restoration) this year by $10,000 this
year; this cleans up for Contract Services, to add those funds.
ii. Discussion. None.
iii. Vote.

*MOTION to approve by Vice Chairperson McQUEEN; SECONDED by Agency Member
BROWN, as written.

AYES: MOORE, McQUEEN, BROWN, FOX, ISOM, A. SMITH, M. SMITH.
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY (7-0)

4. Provide direction to Staff on the Major Abbie Sweetwine sign for the Habitat for
Humanity Female Veteran’s Village in Diamond Square on the amount that the
Agency will contribute to the project. Authorize City Manager to Adjust the
FY25 Budget if Approved.
i. Introduction. Director NEUTERMAN introduced the item. Habitat
Village Sign; recalled her work, English named her “The Angel at
Platform Six” – Laid to rest in Arlington National Cemetery.
ii. $3,650 total estimated cost. Plan to split three ways between Habitat,
City, and CRA.
iii. Her image has been updated to be in her military uniform, as requested.
iv. There will be a QR code that will take you to the military write-up and her
accomplishments website.
v. How much would you like to contribute?
vi. Discussion.
1. Agency Member BROWN asked if this was the correct price?
2. Director NEUTERMAN replied, yes.

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3. Agency Member BROWN stated that this seems to be a significant
discount. One third would be approximately $1,200? Correct.
4. Chairperson MOORE asked what the height of the sign would be?
Director NEUTERMAN replied that is dependent on the visibility
for Right of Way for Traffic. MOORE: is this the correct
Coloring? NEUTERMAN: I believe it is a rendition of the
coloring.
5. Agency Member BROWN asked about lighting. Director
NEUTERMAN said that Habitat is looking into securing solar
lighting.
6. Chairperson MOORE:
a. 1/3 – DSCRA
b. 1/3 – City
c. 1/3 – Habitat.
d. $1,217. “Not to exceed.”
e. Motion?
vii. Vote.

*MOTION to approve by Vice Chairperson McQUEEN; SECONDED by Agency Member
BROWN, as amended: Authorize the City Manager to pay a share of the Sweetwine Sign,
not to exceed $1,217, representing a one- third split, between three entities: Habitat for
Humanity, the City of Cocoa, and the Diamond Square CRA.

AYES: MOORE, McQUEEN, BROWN, FOX, ISOM, A. SMITH, M. SMITH.
MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY (7-0)

VI. Attorney’s Report: None.

VII. Updates and Staff Report

1. Director NEUTERMAN:
i. Various Administrative Updates.
1. Rosa L. Jones Property; copy of DEED, you have at your dais .
Reverter clause; approved March 2010. Reverter clause states four
years if not developed, reverts to the City of Cocoa.
2. Agency Member BROWN stated that we should have been
informed; On Nov. 16, 2020, we paid a consultant $3,100 to survey
those two lots. March 10, 2014 reverted. Why did we pay for an
appraisal. Wants the $3,100 back.

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3. Manager WHITTEN: that’s fair; we became aware looking at the
deed. City property, no problem paying back the $3,100.
a. Chairperson MOORE: concerned with the property itself.
She thought it belonged to DSCRA.
b. Agency Member BROWN: Rose Garden wanted it for
parking.
c. Chairperson MOORE: when did you become aware.
d. Manager WHITTEN: he had a meeting let me look at the
property – the DEED, 2014 – he happened to look at those
when he found it.
e. Agency Member FOX: is there a reason the City can’t just
give back to DSCRA?
f. Manager WHITTEN: property must properly dispose of the
property. Despite whoever owns it, the Agency will have a
say it was is developed on that site, because it is within the
Agency boundaries. If you want to make a Request to
Council to convey the property; and put a timeline on it, you
are welcome to do so.
g. Agency Member BROWN wants to withdraw the request fo
the $3,100 survey and instead wants to value of the property
back; estimated at $50,000.
h. Chairperson MOORE: City Manager, we have say, even if
we don’t own it. It bothers her that we were not told.
Community Garden couldn’t be kept clean and had to give
back. Discussion about housing, etc. for use of that property.
Leaves us with no property. Future plans we have nothing
that we own. How can we make this right?
i. Agency Member BROWN: City Manager come back at the
March 17, 2025 Meeting with what will the City be able to
do to “make it right?” Someone should have caught it!
j. Manager WHITTEN: make a motion to ask City Council to
convey the property in pursuit of something consistent in the
plan. Your Attorney will help you.
k. Agency Attorney COLOMBO: I was here twenty years ago;
the City, he believes already refunded the $50,000 to the
CRA. Accounting will have to verify to be certain.
l. Director NEUTERMAN confirmed: budget adjustment.
Funds were transferred to the Agency.
m. Agency Attorney COLOMBO: not on anyone’s radar. You
can make a motion.
n. Manager WHITTEN: we wouldn’t make plans without
DSCRA oversight.

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o. Manager WHITTEN: sure we would change the zoning on
that. Its in the CRA district, so must come to you.
p. Agency Member ISOM: put a clock on it?
q. Manager WHITTEN: yes, it is helpful to get you to develop
it.
r. Director NEUTERMAN: reminder, the current sunset date
of the CRA is September 30, 2032.
s. Agency Member FOX: is all of DSCRA zoned for single
family?
t. Manager WHITTEN: no; however, there is a lot to fix; the
visioning process – East to Fiske, etc. good place to discuss,
as it will involve a number of d iscussions on SR 520, may
involve Comp Plan changes and Zoning changes. RU 210 –
may be, the proper zoning when the time comes.

NOTE FOR THE RECORD: Agency Liaison GOINS joined the meeting @ 7:38 PM.

4. Chairperson MOORE: we need office space. We have that problem
in the UpStart Program. Not change for this property, but,
something we need to think about. Since we don’t own, we don’t
have anything. Wants a Motion to retrieve this lost property.
a. Vice Chairperson McQUEEN: can we purchase other
property? Director NEUTERMAN: commercial property is
currently out of your price range. McQUEEN: high-rises,
businesses, stacked on top of – mixed use? Manager
WHITTEN: high limit is 5 stories. Mixed -use concept is
what you are referring to. Self-contained. 2032 Sunset date.
You have seven years; suggest you ask City Council to ask
the County Commission to extend the CRA timeframe.
b. MOORE: a motion to reacquiring.
VIII. Agency Member BROWN: I make a motion to ask the City Council to revert the Old
Ritz Condominium to the DSCRA; and allow five years to develop the property.
Second McQUEEN.
1. Vote. AYES. Unanimously.
IX. Agency Member BROWN: motion to Formally direct Council to get on the Agenda
for the County Commission to extend the CRA at least to 2041. Second: Agency
Member ISOM.
1. Vote. AYES. Unanimously.
X. Additional comments by Chairperson MOORE: 9 additional years.
1. Agency Member BROWN: County Commissioner GOODSON is in support of
CRAs

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2. WHITTEN: revenue restriction. Request to remove.
XI. Chairperson MOORE: we had to make concessions.
XII. Director NEUTERMAN: US1 we had to kill, to keep DSCRA alive. This is the first time
the Cap of $150,000 has been breached.
XIII. Agency Member BROWN: motion to request the remove the Cap on the TIF from
County. Second by Agency Member ISOM.
1. Vote: AYES. Unanimous.
XIV. Chairperson MOORE: question? Hinderance.
XV. Manager WHITTEN: the cap lift; and extend.
XVI. Chairperson MOORE: vote could go one way or the other? Wise?
XVII. Agency Attorney COLOMBO: motion to combine.
Agency Member BROWN: motion to consolidate Motions 2 & 3. Concerning the DSCRA
extension and Cap removal of the TIF (Tax Increment Financing) . Second by Agency
Member ISOM.
Vote. AYES. Unanimous.

Update: Manager WHITTEN: Michael C. Blake Subdivioin –fs Lennar March 4 P&Z Meeting;
under review; will get copies to you; hopefully bring in March 18 to City Council. Then kickoff
for Visioning for SR 520. Upcoming. March 18 bring Surplus Property for Affordable Housing
most are in 70% in DSCRA.
Agency Member BROWN: pictures at Lennar online.
Manager WHITTEN: we showed you the elevations. 17 lots, to 32. Paying to split lots. We can
resend you the Elevations again. Bedroom on bottom floor. Discussion still working. Agency
Momma bearBROWN: property south of Moore Center. We will double check. Show you the
lots plan again.
Agency Liaison GOINS: Report. Speed bumps on Blake. Requested and installed. Stop signs
with flashing lights on Stone. Board asked to pay before; this time the City took over this time.
Appreciate for Council to fix.
March 4 – Budget Workshop. Another opportunity; Wants to support the Museum. Does not
know where it will go, wants to be functional, open, not sure what partnering will look like;
volunteer route. Get a non- profit run it; not sure what that will look like. Allow RFP to do it
instead. Museum is in the heart of DS. Asking you to consider he may come back on a split.
Want to accomplish. Tired of seeing it closed. Asking for your support. Property, you have power
in your motions. You have a group make a motion, you don’t have a lot of time. I only have two
years – he does not know who will come behind them – lets make motion; get done; get votes on
it and push now to get things done. Shoot your ideas to your Council members. March 4 – Council
Priorities Workshop at 5 PM. Another one in April. Please come and speak. Let him know, he
can get yelled at later.

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MOORE: booklets, passed out last time; future projects, visioning, coming up, our Plan coming
up. (Need Copy for Spartanburg – examples) Murals, and art and in the street decorative.
Museums. Pursue partnerships. PNC Bank? Partner. Corporate Directive to do CRA Projects.
She will share that with City. We should gather info. And pursue.

XVIII. Next Meeting Date:
The next regularly scheduled meeting of the Diamond Square Community Redevelopment
Agency will be on Monday, March 17, 2025 at 6:00 pm at the City of Cocoa, City Hall, 65
Stone Street, Cocoa, FL, unless a business need arises earlier.

XIX. Adjournment
*MOTION to adjourn by Agency Member BROWN ; SECONDED by Agency Member
ISOM.

AYES: MOORE, McQUEEN, BROWN, FOX, ISOM, A. SMITH, M. SMITH.

MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY (7-0)

THE MEETING WAS ADJOURNED at 8:10 pm.

__________________________
Tracy Moore, Chairperson

Respectfully Submitted by:
________________________________
Ryan Browne, Recording Secretary

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I. CALL TO ORDER

1. Invocation
2. Pledge of Allegiance
3. Roll Call

II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA AND MINUTES

1. Agenda: Special Meeting of the Diamond Square CRA - February 24, 2025
2. Minutes: Special Meeting of the Diamond Square CRA - January 27, 2025

III. DELEGATIONS

IV. PRESENTATIONS

V. ACTION ITEMS

1. Request Agency Approval to increase the standard reimbursement for the Commercial Façade Improvement Program (CFIP) grant from $10,000 per grant to a maximum of $20,000 reimbursement and to use Contingency via BAF # 25-036-A for $10,000 to increase the Commercial Façade Improvement Program budget for FY25. — 00:28:21
2. Request Agency approval of a Commercial Façade Improvement Program (CFIP) grant application for an amount not to exceed $20,000 for the property located at 625 Peachtree Street and authorize the City Manager to complete and execute a CFIP Agreement. — 00:28:57
3. Request Agency approval of a Resolution to Amend the FY25 Budget, BAF # 25-035-A, in the amount of $10,000, to top-off the Contract Services account, to allow it to contain full funding for the fiscal year for both programs that it pays for. — 00:59:25
4. Provide direction to Staff on the Major Abbie Sweetwine sign for the Habitat for Humanity Female Veteran's Village in Diamond Square on the amount that the Agency will contribute to the project. Authorize the City Manager to Adjust the FY25 Budget if Approved. — 01:01:46

VI. ATTORNEY’S REPORT

VII. UPDATES AND STAFF REPORTS

VIII. NEXT MEETING DATE

IX. ADJOURNMENT

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Development Agency meeting beginning today on Monday, February 24th, 2025. Can we all stand please for the invocation and following will be the Pledge of Allegiance. Father God, we just want to thank you right now for the opportunity for us to gather here together. We thank you for ‸ the ability to come as one mind and in a spirit of unity. I ask even now that you would just begin to breathe over each and every one. Guide us and lead us as we move forward in this meeting. Let all things be done decently and in order. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen.

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Thank you all. Roll call please.

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Yes, Madam Vice Chair. Chairperson Moore. ‸ Vice Chairperson McQueen.

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Present.

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Agency member Brown. Present. Agency member Fox. Present. Agency member Ison. Present. Agency member Angie

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Smith.

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Oh, there she is. Nick of time as well. Agency member Angie Smith.

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All right, there we go.

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Also, Nick of time. All right. Everybody's Nick of time tonight. And agency attorney Colombo.

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All right.

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Madam chair and vice chair ‸ chair is taking over now all right thank you

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okay good evening apologize for being a little late today I'm gonna blame it blame it on the rain, okay? All right. Glad to see everyone here tonight. If we could all stand.

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oh we've done all of that. okay.

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‸ so let me catch up. Where are we now? We are in the agenda. ‸ Okay. If we could get a motion to approve the agenda for

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for the special meeting.

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I make the motion to approve the agenda and

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the minutes

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for

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the special meeting for February

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24th,

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the agenda and the minutes can I get a second second

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the minutes

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tonight. Can all questions, anyone have any questions? None of them. Let me have an approval by saying a I I okay thank you very much minutes and agenda approved we do have a delegation tonight

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yes

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the podium and state your name again

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as well as your address. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen my name is Lisa McDermott I'm the general manager of In-N-Out Liquors Incorporated and I I live at [address] Melbourne Florida so basically I'm here tonight to try to get some support from the community so back

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verification letter from the city after that we purchased the property

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like we've done in the past we opened package stores anywhere in the county. The closing of the property, we closed on September 25th 2023 it took us over a year to get our liquor license because we had to come up with

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banks don't finance liquor licenses we proceeded to go get our BTR from the city on

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put in for a special ordinance for the zoning modification and on January 24th 2025 they sent us a denial letter so we've already got 650

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here already in

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we are just trying to get some help from the community Diamond Square community if at all to help with the council in letting us get this this BTR the zoning didn't change until after we put in fall BTR so I feel that we should be grandfathered into the old ordinance and be granted our ‸ BTR I've got you know if you want to see the verification letters the the denial letter I've got I've got all the the paperwork if you'd like to see it Any questions? Any

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questions from the board? madam

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chair can the city manager first bring us up the date and then I have some questions

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station oh right

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across

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the street from Wawa

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okay okay thank you

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that's the 1035

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to date on the issue but it doesn't fall

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This is a zoning issue between the applicant and and the city. Respectfully, we don't even really have I mean they will fall within

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square, you know, agency, but we don't have so much called subject matter jurisdiction. So as as the manager stated, that's correct. We really don't have any saying the matter. Obviously the citizen can speak as she sees fit, but you can take no action tonight

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consequence candidly

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I have a couple of questions

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okay thank you attorney

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when you put all that money into it for a liquor store did you consider it was a church

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with which is less than a half a mile down the street, and another two churches, which is less than a half a mile down the street. Did you consider that at all we

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did consider it and that wasn't an issue at the time they can go to Wawa and purchase alcohol with 12% in it they can go to Dollar General

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it's you know it's you come in you buy you leave can

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I get the city manager to kind of give us

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Yeah, yeah you'd be happy to, Madam Chair. And so this is the old, if you've been around for any amount of time it's the old Hess station and the old Hess station is on the corner at the intersection of 520 and Fisk and so I'm gonna I'm gonna read for you the zoning verification letter because as Mrs. McDermott says they got that back in May and then I'll take you through the process and so this is about a liquor store in the old Hess establishing a liquor store in the at the old Hess filling station there and so I'll try to enunciate better than I normally do but this is the zoning verification letter

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Pursuant to your request, please let this letter serve as a zoning verification letter verifying the existing zoning classifications and the future land use designations of the property reference above. According to city records, the subject addresses is zone CG which is general commercial or for future land use of commercial per appendix a zoning article 11 section 12 a subsection

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Liquor Stores, Retail, and Cocktail Lounges, this office can only provide zoning and comprehensive plan information. You may wish to contact other city agencies to fully determine the development potential of this property. This letter does not establish a right to develop or redevelop the property and does not constitute a waiver to any other applicable land development regulations.

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this property will be subject to all such regulations. Please be advised that this zoning verification letter is based upon the available record on file with the city of Cocoa as of the date of this letter.

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also based on the city's comprehensive plan and ordinances that are in effect

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this letter was prepared. The city's comprehensive plan and ordinance ordinances could be subject to change. Furthermore, other than the information expressly stated in this letter, this letter does not address or verify any other information about the

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as well as whether any proposed project for the property would be deemed in compliance with city code. While

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this letter understands that the city of Cocoa disclaims any liability for any damages in connection with its use, and the user is responsible for conducting its own due diligence

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obligation to

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no responsibility for updating or correcting any error contained in this letter sincerely and that's signed by the planner. And so again, a couple of things to

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in the letter. it's One, it says that the regulations could change at any particular point in time. And then it says this letter doesn't give you the authority to do anything. ‸ doesn't give you the authority to do to do a project. It's simply a zoning verification letter. Now, when you go into a property, and that property was a gas station for many, many years. I've been here for 31 years in October. And so I can only remember it as a gas station. And so when you go in and you want to change the use

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site plan approval process. And so so so

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It says you have a license to operate a

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not issued that. And so concurrent with this letter,

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site plan says that we want to do this with the property. And we take you through the reviewing agencies. We take you through

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the process to actually get into this property, to reuse, to repurpose it as a liquor store would have had to go through a site plan amendment process. Well, they never submitted for that site plan amendment. And on the on at the meeting in December, the board decided as a matter of policy, and I don't need to tell you guys about Provost Park, but so as a matter of policy, the council decided that we don't want to cite liquor stores within,

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Forgive me. I don't have it up the top of my head. within Within 300 to 500 feet near parks, near playgrounds, near schools or churches. And so, again, they're well within their authority to set that as a policy. They've set that as policy. They're in the process of changing the ordinance. The ordinance has not changed yet. And so it will go through two council hearings to actually change the ordinance. But again, that

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as of this moment. They directed that no

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for uh for those properties that want to come in and redevelop uh our site a liquor store within that proximity to those four things I named. And so I think that brings you up to speed on on the ‸ entire matter. Thank

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you. Thank you for that. But

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I also got two other letters. um I received on December 18th, 2024, at 1038 from Charlene

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um Good morning. Thank you for submitting your business tax receipt with the city. It is currently under review. Although the zoning ‸ verification letter you received on May

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2023 confirms that a liquor store is permitted use in the General Commercial District. And then

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He also sent one on the 18th.

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back to us. um He was looking for a minor site plan amendments. And we haven't heard back from him yet. So we're still waiting on him. But, you know, we asked him, um um we asked him, uh what does he need? you know Does he need the parking lot surveyed, all easements? um And we're still waiting to get back from ‸ We're still waiting to hear from him.

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was, as I stated, that their policy uh position is, is that there will be no liquor stores in 300 to 500 feet of parks, playgrounds, schools,

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The zoning code at a particular time does allow liquor stores. The, the council changed that

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uh of the intent to change that. And so they're in the process of changing that. The minor site plan would have been due had they not changed any of that. A minor site plan is approved by the city manager. And so John working for the city manager can provide them no further direction because the council has spoken on the issue. And so they won't get a letter from John, uh again, advising them that this is the process for a site plan. Again, what's permissible on the zoning code means it's simply allowed under the zoning code. It's permitted under the zoning code. Whether your project ultimately gets developed has to go into the site plan review and approval process. They didn't get there. And if you really if you really want to talk about dates, they had a year to actually get in that process and start that process. And they didn't do that. And so, again, the letter is pretty clear. The letter advises you that you shouldn't rely on this because it's simply a zoning verification letter and not an approval to go forward with any project of any sort.

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But

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approved yet.

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That is correct.

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Okay. So I still fit into the old ordinance.

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of law. These are issues maybe for a court one day um with the city. And respectfully, and most respectfully to the to the speaker, I'm not sure if this person is even a proper representative for the owner of the property. uh

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she's really, she can speak as a citizen here. But her comments carry no weight on behalf of the owner who may be the gentleman sitting next to her. I'm not sure.

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Yes, he's the owner.

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yeah That's fine. Fair, fair enough. But uh obviously in the state of Florida, you can represent yourself or or a corporation. But you a corporation has to have an attorney. So

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but

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once again,

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and remember, respectfully uh to the owner and the speaker, this board can take no action tonight. Zero. So. I'm

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not asking for them to take some action. I'm just asking them to try to think open-minded and maybe give us some support. Because that corner will look very nice with diamond square. Fair.

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Fair enough. So that's, that's, ‸ that's fine. But uh

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board. But certainly if you have any questions for the owner or. It's

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been. Yeah. And, and, ‸ Madam Chair, I, I, you know, and so ‸ the,

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ordinance hasn't been changed yet. And, and you can talk with the city attorney, assistant city attorney, when the council notifies you of its intent.

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‸ To

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change it.

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‸ Then, then, then you are

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uh governed by the intended the intended ‸ legislation there. And so that's some principle in law. I didn't learn a whole lot walking by the law school at UF. You know, but and I'll let the attorneys talk about that. but But again, um no site plan submitted. Council makes a policy decision to to change the ordinance, in essence, change the law. And that's where we are now.

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Okay. are you From what I'm hearing,

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I'm going to take the lead from our attorney, if that's okay with the rest of the board here, and say that, you know, we hear you. uh

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uh So you are looking at a loss, it seems. uh But at the same time, I must uh adhere to what the city manager is saying in regards to the rules and regs on the process. uh I'm learning something here tonight myself uh in regards to that. uh

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and uh for what will be on that corridor and what will not be on that corridor. uh So I guess I'm standing in wait as you are in regards to the final uh disposition on it. uh But I would suggest, as the attorney said, you know, um if there's something you plan to uh fight further, uh I guess there are means to do that by. But we cannot, as a board, um do anything but listen tonight. So

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be brought up to date if there's something we need to know more.

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Well, I want to thank you all for taking the time to listen. Have a great day.

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‸ Yeah, we appreciate ‸ you. um Okay. If there are no more delegations, are there any presentations tonight?

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No, Madam Chair. No

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presentations. I know we have several action items for tonight. um ‸ So we can move with those at this time.

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Thank you, Madam Chair. First action item tonight is for uh to increase the requesting agency approval to increase the standard reimbursement for the commercial facade improvement program grant from 10 000 per grant to a maximum of 20 000 And to use the contingency funds to increase the commercial facade improvement program budget for fy 25 And

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and I'm available to answer any questions that you may have.

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So the first action would be to um to make sure that the budget can handle whatever the request will be in the second action. Is that right what we're moving towards on this?

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Yes, the Commercial Facade Improvement Program budget uh was recommended to be increased to accommodate, you know, larger requests for individuals who would like to make more improvements.

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to give a maximum of

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per request uh

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this request that was... With

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this uh request um being that amount and our next one is requesting that amount, the action does that leave us uh leeway to add to that particular uh ‸ program yes so choose?

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Yes, Madam Chair. You have funds left in the contingency account that you can actually transfer. Should we get another request in for a Commercial Facade Improvement Program? We will bring that before you and and transfer the funds at that time based on the request. And then when we budget for next year, we'll we'll have that conversation with the agency whether or not to budget just for one grant per year or to do two or three grants per year.

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2026. ‸ Okay, there's a question.

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‸ increase, is is that being put forth because we haven't had any participation? Is that why it's been increased to 20?

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No, the increase was actually brought to us as a request because the cost for services and for materials for a lot of these improvements are a lot higher than they used to be. And and so we want to be able to provide a better match to to hopefully generate some more interest. Yes. I mean, that's definitely something that we would love to see more interest in it and and see more of our businesses in in the Diamond Square and in

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CRA uh applying for uh the request. But typically the average, re the average funding is if if we're giving out

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a lot of these folks are spending well over

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for their repairs. And so we want to be able to try to help them as much as we can.

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uh And

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question that I have for you in regards to requests being made. I know at one time

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uh No, that that request has uh not been moved forward because they haven't completed their portion of the planning and zoning side of things with the site plan that they have to do.

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Okay.

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with any application. And

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then they could bring that back to us and

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make an allotment out of our... okay That's

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correct.

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I just didn't want to, because I knew that they were before us at one point. uh

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the

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process

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of doing site plan right now, I believe. And and so we we have to wait for all of those approvals to go through before we can move forward.

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Okay. Just want to make sure that I don't want to... seem as though we were taking away funds that they were possibly looking towards. um ‸ Any other questions from the board members?

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just have one question. ‸ Will this be a one time for... Or once we make this move, will this open the door

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So... So when we make this as a amount that we are now putting in this facade program, that means... This is

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yeah so that comes in

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the future, they ‸ can

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That is correct. That's

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what this makes happen. Yes. Okay. Thank you for clarity.

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Thank you.

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Madam Chair.

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Yes. But

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that does not mean we have to approve the whole... That

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is correct.

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for number two. That

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is correct.

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Okay.

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Or for any subsequent grants. It depends on how much they they request. They may only request

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because

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based on that, but

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from a board

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um The question I have, I know I'm skipping from one, but I want to know where 625

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Street that

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Can we get to

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this? Can we finish this one first?

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yeah We need to do

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that okay with you?

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to move, and then we'll explain that. The next one, which is the next agenda item.

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That's why I wanted to uh clarify. What we're doing right now

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just increasing the amount in that line item. And

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can decide how much we want to give to anyone in this point forward.

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‸ okay

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‸ Okay. Can I get a motion to uh grant this particular action item?

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Madam Chair, I make a motion that we approve to increase the standard reimbursement for the Commercial Facade Improvement Program, the CFIP grant, grant from 10 000 per grant to a maximum of 20 000 reimbursement, and to use contingency BAF number 25-036-A for 10 000 to increase the commercial facade improvement program budget for fiscal year

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aye

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none all right So moved. Item number two.

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Thank you, Madam Chair. uh The next one is a request agency approval of a Commercial Facade Improvement Program grant application for an amount not to exceed

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the property located at 625 peach tree Street and authorize the city manager to complete and execute the agreement. So, uh Ramon Rivera, who's the owner of Diamond Rivera LLC, which owns 625 peach tree Street and

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a Commercial Facade Improvement Program grant not to exceed 20 000 for his property located at 625 peach tree Street. 625 peach tree Street is between Wilson, North Wilson and Blake. um it's a very, it's a small property, uh that is in the section between North Wilson and Blake. And it's on the south side of, uh peach tree Street.

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‸ so

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the proposed renovation of work includes installing

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located along the corner of peach tree and Blake,

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at one

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each entrance, uh outside ‸ the fence we've planted with tree and shrub combinations substantially the same as, as, ‸ or similar to

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palms, 70 shrubs,

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Carpus. along

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can tell I'm not a green thumb. Along

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Silverwood, Buttonwoods,

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mulch and irrigation system, and, and those selections were made after consulting with the city's code of landscape requirements.

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required documentation is requesting

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the requirements in the application, and we're bringing this before you for approval for

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um ‸ Any questions if you ‸ Madam Chair. And

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also have the i have the owner here who has a presentation for you as well. Do you want to hear the presentation? Okay,

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we want to hear the presentation. Please come forward. Thank ‸ you.

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evening, Madam Chair, miss Madam Vice Chair, uh honored board members, and city attorney, city manager, and staff. Thank you for your generous time this evening. um It's funny. We were remembering our past, how we met. We met at a city hall meeting, and she was on one side of the aisle, I was on the other, and it was a

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Amendment in Titusville. And uh anyway,

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uh and uh she understands plants a little better. She's a native Floridian, and uh

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and couldn't attend. ‸ so I thought I'd turn it over. Somebody understood plants better. And um with that, um and if you'd like, i I want to share this before Susan starts her presentation on uh what we plan on doing. um We're across from uh the car wash there on Peachtree.

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We've had a number of issues, and it's no reflection on our police department, because every time I've called them, they're very responsive. But

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We've had drugs hit on property. We've had um a number of trespasses. I finally um acquired the the uh adjoining properties to clear it up, because essentially there were bedrooms on the side because of all the overgrowth. So we've cleared that out. But we still have uh traffic at night through there. uh Hence, being private property, police department needs authority to enter. uh And uh the main reason we're attempting to at least secure the property at this point, we have no plans for further development other than just to keep uh people safe from the community. ‸ And unfortunately, those people that are ill and sick that are walking the streets, we want to keep them off the property and not have anything happen to them on our property. So that's the purpose of uh us requesting um this change for a fence. So with that, I'll let Susan go through uh what we plan on doing. Could

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I ask a question before you

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long have your I guess I didn't see it, but I'm sure it's been there for a while. How long has your property been?

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We bought it in

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and and I moved uh

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uh but uh our our work is all conducted there. That's our corporate office. We do have an office in Michigan, but uh this is where our headquarters is located. And we by the way, uh we're very glad to be here. uh

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had nothing but a pleasant uh experience working with city and including the police department and city staff. So thank

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you.

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thank you so much for allowing us to be here tonight. And um

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would like to do this project because we feel it'll really uh beautify this property and beautify the neighborhood as other additions have

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and corp and encompasses three contiguous parcels. And, um they're all owned by Diamond Rivera LLC, and they're held in our revocable trust. On the east side of the property is the office. And, um it's ‸ at that point is the drive off of peach tree uh the fence will be on three sides of the property. And the dots that are along the peach tree and Blake show the areas where the trees will be planted, the different trees, and they'll be 30 feet ‸ apart. across the front of the property,

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problem you had, uh

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Folia. And

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um side uh encompasses, there'll be three of the eugenia's and four Silver Buttonwood. And then there'll be shrubs in a continuous border all underneath those trees on both sides of the property. uh

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um which will ‸ be underneath all those plants. And there will be a a bed of mulch in that area as well. So this shows the picture of the office on peach tree At that driveway

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And all the existing trees that you see in the picture will remain. uh There are many palms on the property. There's uh oak tree on the uh back of the property. And I'm not sure what the tree is in the middle of the property on the back. It's lost its leaves right now, so I couldn't tell what kind it was. okay then this is a picture of the property from Blake Avenue.

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That property will have a 20 foot setback for the fence. And at that driveway there, there'll be a 16 foot double swing gate. And then this is a picture of the fence that we plan to use. It's a six foot high black aluminum spear shaped fence by Viking. It will be 588 feet in total

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swing gate out of the same material. So aesthetically it'll be quite beautiful. This just shows that we understand the landscaping plan. uh That uh each of the trees will be 30 feet apart. The setbacks for the fence will be

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feet off of the sidewalk on peach tree ‸ and 20 feet off of the road on Blake.

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and have

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feet of trunk space. The shrubs will be at least

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feet high and there will be a continuous border of the shrubs. There will also be drip irrigation and mulch and grass provided in the area.

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these are just the pictures of the plants, the trees and shrubs that we're planning on planting. The Christmas palm uh will get to a height of 25 feet. um They're very beautiful especially in the winter because they have the red berries and they're very drought tolerant and

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It's an evergreen tree. It's quite beautiful. They get to be about 40 feet tall. When they're young

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they mature they're a darker green leaf with white flowers and red berries. We decided on this uh tree because of the color and just trying to bring a little color to the property and make it pretty. uh Then these silver button woods we plan on using on the

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Avenue side of the property. There'll be four of those. um This is also an evergreen and they have very beautiful silvery colored leaves with small flowers and small cone-like fruit that the birds love. and This is a native tree of Florida and the thing about that is ‸ they they last and they stay beautiful and they can endure our weather and sun and and our soils. So um we we finished the trees. This is down to the shrubs. We're planning on using

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and it's an evergreen shrub and it has a ‸ very pretty yellow and green variegated leaf. the next one is this

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They have a beautiful um thick rounded leaf and they have um large white showy flowers and a light green fruit that the birds love. The last one is the Podocarpus. It too is an evergreen. um It's an excellent shrub plant. It has a leathery dark green leaf

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So all of these plants that we've chosen are either native plants to Florida or they're very drought tolerant and have adapted well to Florida, which um will make this plan stay stay beautiful and easy to to take care of and care for. So thank you again for allowing us to do this presentation. And uh if you have any questions, we'd be happy to answer.

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Okay, I have a question. Thank you. Thank you. I have a

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i think several questions. I meant you all at the Economic Development Showcase and I came over the next day to look at the property. What do you produce? I mean, what type of products do you produce?

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So uh what we work with uh our

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working in landfills. And basically

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is primarily instrumentation. However, uh we've moved into reverse osmosis uh systems. And um we we've already provided a quote for the county. So that's what we do. What we do specifically ‸ that office is we calibrate instrumentation. And we actually package uh filters, uh supplies that uh the instruments might need throughout the year. We also do perimeter monitoring um instrumentation. So uh off gassing of wastewater plants uh

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We can identify those constituents of interest interest that um the community might be interested in.

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Okay, I saw some of the instruments when I visited. um How many employees do you have eight? How many of them are diamond square residents? None, sir.

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there besides the taxes you pay? And would you consider hiring? I

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would, sir. In a heartbeat. Please send me somebody, anybody, because we're short staffed.

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And I'm looking for technicians. okay And so I don't, it's it's it's not a matter that I don't want to hire somebody from the community. That's, that's, that's, that's it's not, what you know, we've got people traveling from

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would like to see someone in there. I would too.

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a project, i like to see, like,

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when they came in,

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Diamond Square

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So I, um even if it's a summer internship for some of our youth, I would

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see that

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in there. I, I'd love to support a program like that. Okay. You know, we're, we're scientific nature, biologists,

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if, if that's, if that's the line, uh of a student that they're pursuing, I'd be very interested in speaking to them. Okay. Thank

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you.

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Any other questions? um yes, I do have one. um

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have you invested or have you started the process already? I know you have the blueprints, but have you already started the digging up the ground? Like, have you invested any of your finances or business finances at this point in time?

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They actually can't until this is approved.

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Well, not their quote-unquote money, but you know what I

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Okay. So,

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okay. I thought you were getting to ‸ the point until they have a site plan that's approved. so They can't go forward.

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So the 41 000 is your projected expenses in doing

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that?

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And it must go through a site plan is what I'm hearing now. Yes,

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madam chairperson. It is. And this, as we talked about earlier, ‸ is in the site plan review and approval process. Okay.

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Okay. And have you started that site plan? I, I, I, I'm sorry. No,

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so the point the point is, is that they're going through the process appropriately. okay

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so when they're I'm just trying to get clarity, so forgive me all. So they come here first. They request the funding. If we say yes, then they start the process of the site plan.

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and it is uh the type of fence it is. ‸ where

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building or inside a building there. And so imagine i I would like to have that corner lot. But but you guys purchased it. But so and you saw the fence there. So so we have their regulations

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the zoning code with regards to the type of fence that you can have okay around uh residential, around commercial. And they're going through that process. And they would call it a site plan amendment, but

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where they want to put it up.

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uh two or three week turnaround. okay

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there. But okay I mean, this one seems pretty easy.

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you trying to say something to add? And

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then they have uh building the building permit is for the fence. So they'll have to put in the building permit after they get this approval tonight

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And so the permit will be issued for the fence and and then once that is installed, that it'll be inspected by by the building inspectors.

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good I'm hearing a lot of trees, a lot of shrubbery. um Do you have a grounds person already? I

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do. Yes, ma'am. okay

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so. And

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he's he's local. um um No, well, Stevenson is our land is our landscape provider. But uh uh the gentleman ‸ that uh cuts are he's a 1099 employee.

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Right. Right. right then he comes uh twice a month. uh Yes. But I do have somebody. He's very capable, man

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To take care of the. yes and

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Madam Chair, if I may add that uh if I were just to put in a chain link fence, my costs would be reduced by 20 000.

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uh fences, which I have no problem doing, of course, because I understand why you want to beautify the city. and uh But that's the cost. That's where it really hurts. It's painful. Financially. It's painful. I'll tell you. We're

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not laughing at you. We understand. Yeah, no, I know you're not laughing at me. I i

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you know i just wanted to share that. man

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So uh what I'm hearing then is that you are um making these plans based already on some of the items that you know are going to be a subject matter. When you go through this zoning and plan and everything.

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Yes, ma'am.

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for uh I want to say

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but that's probably not the right department. Probably public

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site view because there's there's some uh site view issues because of the turn. Right.

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there we

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want to meet that condition, of

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course.

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‸ And

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the the ornamental or the decorative, whatever the fence is called, the same requirement that we we placed on a couple of businesses on peach tree Okay. And that is an aesthetic issue for for for staff or for you all, you know, and so uh I don't I don't know that you could actually I don't think that you can put chain links in the front of the property. but But ‸ again, and so he is right. There's a world of difference between the cost for a chain link and uh and uh what he's putting in

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‸ And frankly, ma'am, uh Madam Chair, the this has made a huge difference. uh I know that the neighbor across the street uh uh fenced his property, and we just see a lot less of, uh uh you know, the unfortunate that do what they do and walk those streets like that doing what they do. And the drug stuff has really come down quite a bit. So I think the fence fence fencing these properties is very helpful.

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I was trying to see where you were going to put on the low-line uh Trying to figure out the. name of ‸ The plants. Are

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going to go inside, outside? They

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will go in front of the fence, ma'am.

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In front of the fence?

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Yes, ma'am.

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okay That's what I was trying to get a picture of, what that would look like. okay any additional questions before we make a decision? Questions for just

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a small Just a small thought. um If you put the plants in, not that I'm against it, I'm not. I think they should go behind, because

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their ‸ their needles and stuff in your bushes. and in your your yeah I don't think you want that. I mean, just a thought. Just yeah just a thought. I'm not.

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‸ who said it should be in front. so ‸ I'm sorry. Could you repeat that?

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but

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for people to you know hide things underneath? I've seen it done. If

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you look at the Wawa area, we did the cleanup uh clean up in the area a month or two back. We had more garbage trash coming out of those bushes than we picked up in the community. I

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believe that.

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So it might be better best to put them behind ‸ as opposed to putting them in front of the fence.

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Something to consider. Thank you, ‸ Thank

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you. Thank you

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both.

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um I understand the need to, you know, to fence in your property from what you've expressed us tonight. I think it will, from what we're seeing, it looks like it will add some beautification to the area and to your property. So um thank you for coming and making this request. ‸ Any other questions or concerns or? okay uh can I get a motion then?

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Madam Chair, I'll make the recommendation uh request agency approval of the commercial facade improvement uh program CFIP grant application

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for the property located at

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and authorized the city manager to complete and execute the CFIP agreement.

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second. All in favor? Aye. aye and opposed? None heard. um One question I do have um in regards to the process. um Once it goes through whatever the the rules are before they can start on it, do they have like a length of time to start it and complete it?

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Yes. Once the the agreement is executed, they have one year to complete the the work and to submit it for uh review and reimbursement.

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Okay. And therefore you're fully aware of ‸ those. Okay. All right.

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Madam Chair, I have a... Do you, um

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to make sure they're on task so they wouldn't have to... uh

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Yes. Okay.

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with...

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since they do have to pull a building permit, um our inspectors will actually go out and inspect it okay um

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also the the site plan with planning and zoning, they will also uh verify that what they have done in order to comply with the zoning code. So we do. We... Before we will provide anything, we will go out there and ensure that all the work has been completed before any reimbursements will be made.

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Well, what I'm hoping will happen since we are increasing and we have

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for um facade improvement, I'm hoping others in the community will recognize that it was a diamond square improvement uh

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in regards to the community and will come before us. And hopefully i want to request something to improve their properties as well.

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Yes, Madam Chair. As... As you uh have said, we will actually create a sign and put the sign in front of Diamond Scientific when the work has been completed to say that it was a commercial facade improvement program grant. And with our contact information so that others can actually reach out and and do that. We did that with the paint and landscaping as well after they finished so we could generate some interest in the program.

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last ones, the receiver... Yes,

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they were. did

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we put a sign out in front of... the When...

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We did and it disappeared. There was a sign out probably for like two days

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a half years ago that we we did that and we never were able to pick up the sign because it was not there.

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Well

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we will. All right. Good. All right. Thank you. All righty. uh Let's go to our third item.

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uh Yes, Madam Chair. So the next uh one is a cleanup. We are requesting agency approval of a resolution to amend the budget in the amount of

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to top off the contract services account to allow to allow it to contain full funding for the fiscal year for both programs that it pays for. As you noted,

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restoration by

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for this year and we had not brought the budget adjustment to the agency to to clean it up for the account number for contract ‸ services. So this is the cleanup agenda item in order to add those funds for the

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Okay. This is just a budget adjustment. We have any questions. If there are no questions in regards to this uh request, can I get a motion to approve this resolution to

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Madam Chair, I make. ‸ For the approval of a resolution to amend the fiscal year 25 budget,

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services account to allow it to contain full funding for the fiscal year for both programs that it pays for.

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it's been moved and properly second all in favor aye disapproved okay no disapproval motion carried

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thank you madam chair the ‸ last agenda item there's a question

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that's

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a question oh

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yeah um when you say both programs

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paid for

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we only

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have a current contract with the alliance for neighborhood restoration we haven't established a contract with another organization at this time and we can we can have that discussion uh but we would have to enter into an agreement and put out an RFP to establish that contract

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okay because I was just saying both programs paid for them like so

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we have one program for Alliance for neighborhood restoration we have an

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agency has allotted for in previous ‸ years, which would be the uh the summer program, the summer enrichment program that you funded, which

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What about the summer

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program? Would that come out of that? No, that's in a different account. Okay.

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the summer program, has that not been already? She

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No. Okay. I just don't want to anyone to assume that that's where it's going. Okay. All right. But this allows for some money to still be there in regards to that. ‸ Okay. All

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right. Without any further discussion, can we go to number four? Yes, Madam Chair. uh the last requested action is to provide direction to

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Humanity, Female Veterans Village in Diamond Square on the amount that the agency will contribute to the project and authorize the city manager to adjust the FY 25 budget if approved. So as you know that when the Habitat for Humanity Females Veterans Village was completed in 2022, it was decided that the Veterans Village would be named after one of Coco's own major

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abby sweetwine who is

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the angel of platform six. And

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of what her services, what she provided um

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there was a devastating train wreck that occurred in England. She was one of the respondents to that train wreck. And and she managed the triage process for the doctors. In doing so, she used lipsticks to mark the patients and put an X on them for those that ‸ receiving treatment. And that was what, and an M on those who needed morphine. And so with that method, she was, it allowed the doctors, because there were about 300 injured patients, uh passengers on that train. And with her marking up the patients like she did, it allowed the doctors to perform the services much quicker and much more efficiently. So um the the residents in England at that location actually dubbed her the and named her the angel of platform six. Because without her ability to do what she did, um there may have been more lives that would have been lost because of it. So uh she is a Coco resident. And she was born in May

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28th of 1915 and

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and it will be installed by the art craft Sign Company and I've included a copy of

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um At the last meeting when we had Habitat here, you had requested that her image actually show her in a military uniform and

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designation as Major Abby sweet wine And with that sign there is a QR code so anybody who goes by the sign could actually uh scan the QR code code and it actually goes to the Air Force's website and pulls up the full uh story of her uh heroic adventures in 1952.

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like to contribute to pay for that sign uh

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uh We are asking for what your uh contribution, if any, would be to the sign.

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Madam Chair. um ‸ Miss Charlene, is that the correct price on that sign?

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Yes, it is.

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I correct. I confirmed it myself because I was surprised as well. So I, my guess is the company is providing some sort of a discount.

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was here, we agreed to give them a third

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a third from the city and a third from Habitat. I

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when you ever look, but, but

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Yeah. That's only about how much for the city?

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Yeah. About 12 50 Somewhere or less.

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Is that what we are thinking? Yeah, that's what we said. I

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we discussed it, but I don't know if we actually

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that, but it'll be okay if we want to bring that back up and make that a, you know.

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can you find that for us i'll try

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to make it happen sir

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okay

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roughly.

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the signage itself again?

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yes four feet.

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visibility because it's going to be in the city's right of way. We have to follow the sign codes for signs within the right of way and for traffic purposes. You have to have them at a

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No.

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And

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the sign itself, this is just the coloring? Is that i

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I think that's a rendition of the coloring. uh

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‸ This may not be the

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Okay. That's what I was wondering. Yeah,

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it didn't print out very well. Okay.

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And then so her picture and everything is like a gray scale then? It's sort of a gray scale That is correct. Okay.

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I believe that's the only images of her is in a gray scale yes Okay.

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And

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is that something that ‸ That's her major leaf. Okay.

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With the army. ‸ Okay. Because I want you ‸ know, people are particular about their branches.

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to make sure, because I would pay for someone to say we did not identify the service she was, you know.

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That's the main thing. um chair, you talked about lights. um well, y'all going to check

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what

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public works on that and see what the cost would be. You know, lights ‸ So,

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Habitat is working on uh securing some solar lighting to ‸ To install on there so it can be lit at night. and And they will put that as part of the sign and and as their additional contributions. Okay. So,

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what I'm hearing then, uh board members, we're saying a third, a third, and where's that other

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that the consensus of this board?

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‸ Can

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we get that in the motion? Yeah. I

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would need that in a motion so that I can

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How much was it again?

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can do the calculations. Proper calculations. Can

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I get a motion? I let one of y'all make it. All

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right.

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All right,

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in Diamond Square on the amount that the agency will contribute one-third. I know that's not in there, but we

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to come from our fiscal 25 budget, but where exactly will it come from it

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out of our

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budget?

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It will come out of

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No. you With the motion, it authorizes the city manager to approve the budget adjustment after the fact.

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Okay. And and at that point, does it require a signature from this board for that to be moved no

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it does okay

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I just want to make sure of that ‸ okay I'm excited about the sign did they say how long before it might be up they'll

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have

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to file

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for a permit. And once the permit is approved, then it'll probably take about a few weeks to put the sign in. So we'll let you all know. We'll probably do a grand ‸ unveiling of the sign. That's what habitat would like to do and and so I think that that we will schedule that and have the agency there to to see it.

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All right. ‸ Everyone agrees with what's on the sign and everything, right? Okay. Okay. Go back

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to the agenda

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I guess we're done with that item and we can now turn to the attorney's report

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but habitat I think had to go

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through

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the archives ‸ yes I

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wanted to be a happy place

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know nothing's wrong with that but this one looks a lot more appropriate I think any updates from staff that we need to know about tonight?

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Yes, Madam Chair.

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Brown had asked for a copy of the deed so I've provided you all with a copy of the deed with the highlighted portion that shows the reverter clause that is in the deed that was approved ‸ March of 2010 and

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was not started within four years of the recording date of the deed, all title and interest will revert back to the grantor,

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items to go over on that for one as the staff I think we should have been informed if it was going to revert back and on November 16 2020 I have the minutes and I ‸ think we

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those two vacant lots and if it was going to revert back to the city we should have been informed so we could have put an RFP out

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2014 That long ago? Yes, sir. So

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why did we pay for appraisal on that property? In

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2020, at the time, the city manager and the community development

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I wasn't here

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as staff and so in 2014 it reverted back there and I don't think any of us was aware of that I happen to become aware of it because ‸ I was looking at the property and just looked at the deed there and so again ‸ that I think it's fair that that should have been an expense of the city because it's city property so I don't have an issue with that Madam Chair

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‸ I'm hearing ‸ no issue of reimbursement I'm not that much concerned with that as the property itself

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as I've been on this board it was my impression that that property belonged to

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the last meeting that we had I was really shocked because

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look at what we could do with the property and we were given some something from that I can't recall

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and wanted some of that property for parking and that was even by when mr. Jones was on the board and I think we were the only two originals

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right right so it looks as though we've been you know I mean I know none of you that are now before us from from the city tonight seems as though you guys were not aware as well but what again made you aware of this you were saying it was when something happened yeah

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I I ‸ just talked to someone today about doing projects in diamond square and so I have those meetings from time to time

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well let me go look at the property and let me let me look at and I just

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to look at the deed and discover that that

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the city council has not approved a community

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redevelopment

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project for the subject property, consistent with the terms and conditions of the quick claim within four years of the recording of the quick claim. And so again, as mrs. Neuterman said that was 2014 and so

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someone who wanted to talk about specifically about those two parcels

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so again I think that's the question

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yes is there any reason why ‸ city can't give it back to diamond square

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yeah And

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we'd like to know why.

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no I mean I mean look it's it's a it's property within a CRA district within the diamond square and so there are certain things that happen have that must happen to dispose of the property so you guys would always be in

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have to again, you guys would be a part of any decisions with regards to it. And so it's the same staff servicing both boards and so I don't I don't really see it as a significant issue. Now, if you want to make a request to the council to have them convey that property and and and probably you know I mean they obviously put some sort of timeline on that too but I don't have an issue with that either

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because the most Diamond Square could have made off of that

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by y'all taking that property back so I'm gonna so what route would we take

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well what I'm hearing from

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city manager however, is that no matter what goes on that property, we still will have some say. ‸ but like I said initially it it it bothered me that we were not you know told

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you why I'm so was bothered by ‸ because when I look at what we just talked about you know that was our property we were able to give that property to Habitat for Humanity for the purpose of. We took great ownership

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what happened on that property. It

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our I

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always I don't know if our new members may have had this in their heart too but I've always thought about what else can we leave that was a diamond square project the only one that I regret that we didn't do was that was the community garden. Because that was ours and we ended up giving that back to the city.

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We couldn't find, you know, the right people to take care of it and all of that.

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that had our name on it ‸ so I didn't want you know, to keep that going and hoping that the city would do better than we had, you know and keeping that property clean but I always thought about this property I mean I remember when we you know

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because we really were proud of the fact of what we did with a piece of property in diamond square that

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so I've always thought about that property what were we going to end up doing I think we even had a discussion in regards to that property about whether it was going to be housing, what kind of housing we wanted. out So it's always been in our back pocket, so to speak, you know, and and this leaves us with nothing. It's not, you know, it leaves us with no property that we now own per se. And Diamond Square because we really literally, you know, the the next thing going

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Diamond Square, of course, is our subdivisions.

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And

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that's going to be great to have. But we for future plans down the road, we have nothing else that we own that we can say we did something with. So that's my concern more than anything else

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make this right I mean to me we gotta do something to make this right because you guys didn't know we didn't know you know what can we do what can we effectively do

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March 17th meeting to come up with what they will be able to do to make it right because I think it's unfair we've all we we don't have that much in Diamond Square, like you said. And to take that from us, and somebody should have caught it. I'm not saying this staff should have caught it but somebody should have caught it because all alone we were planning on this property.

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Yeah. And

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and so

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don't need to

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City Council to convey the property ‸ back to Diamond Square for development of the

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pursuit of something that's in your plan, you know, it's either it's either residential commercial or whatever is in the plan. ‸ that's ‸ You can only use it for whatever is in the planning and your attorney will help me with the language on that but again so I don't I don't have that problem again your staff is my staff is me and so on the city side on the diamond square side we're all in pursuit of the same thing and I can give an example so for instance when I talk with with a Lenar about the subdivision I also talk with them about this you know, and hey, do you guys do any multi-family any townhome things there? And so that was the one conversation I had another conversation I had was with a not-for-profit who they're doing you know they have a program but they wanted a just a simple conveyance of the property well I don't need to ask anybody about that. You know, it is, yet you know, you can't do that. You know,

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RFP or solicitation there and so so had that discussion

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but I don't know that they've ever come back to the table on that. And so ‸ haven't had very many folks who actually have come to talk about this. But again, if you just simply make the motion that again, that the council transfer the ‸ property back to the diamond square CRA for purposes of developing the property consistent with programs in the in the currently approved redevelopment plan I think that may be enough

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‸ I think

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gray hairs

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the accounting

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years ago that was the original transfer of monies ‸ I don't

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work with the city here but so in other words I think

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limbo ever since but as

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city manager stated I think obviously we're working here in a cooperative fashion but I don't think this the boards out $50,000 but that can be verified by mr. underwent perhaps but I think that transfer did occur if I were going back so many years now but I have a call so just be aware of that I was involved in the condemnation action actually judge Jacobus was a judge back then I mean and been retired for many years and

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was back in 1999 2000 going way back now. So anyhow, but

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do you know

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it was transferred the the resolution 2004-17 us has that budget adjustment in there. Okay. And so the the funds were transferred to the agency. That's good to know. And and the way the memorandum of understanding is that

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four years the city shall return the agency its entire 50,000 principal investment if the the consideration of that 50,000 was towards the demolition process yes

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okay so as it and that

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was that would have been in between 2004 and 2008 that that 50,000 was

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transferred and

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and you know so of course it's not on everyone's radar you know we're expecting that to go right so it wasn't really a flagged deadline but I mean ‸ obviously, it's the same area suggesting, ‸ you want to make a motion to work with the council on moving forward, I'm not sure what the city plans are right now

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you know I mean I don't I don't have you know I'm not gonna do an end run on the on the diamond square CRA board right so

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would be an RFP that would be brought out for consideration, and we would bring that

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is single-family residential. right So they would have to follow the zoning codes that are set for the r u1-7 zoning

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yeah and I'm sure we would change the zoning on that

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you know that could be you know obviously I don't think that uh the consultant and the rewrite of the plan, um he may or may not have considered what to do with that and made some suggestions, but we can certainly talk to him about that. And so, so again, that this was never going to be a circumstance where you know city manager sold it to uh to uh Walmart or you know

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something like that

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you know because again it's in it it's in the CRA district and so you have those procurement requirements, and then you have those things that uh that must be uh followed when when properties are in in a community redevelopment district

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it's like some I think you had a question

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yes I do

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is there going to be something saying you get it back after a certain amount of time or do we have a certain amount of time to do something with it

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well I think you should put yourself on the clock you know and so and so just to have it in Diamond Square I mean it mean you may not want to do the four years, you may want to do five or ten, you know, but but put yourself on the clock, you know, because because again, if the clock is always ticking, then there's a sense of urgency that's put in people, you know, and so so put yourself on the clock. um ‸ not sure that uh anybody on the council would object you know again because it's the Diamond Square community that we're trying to build up so the

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agency sunsets in 2032 ‸ right so

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we have time

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no no it's not

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okay Where that property is located, that's not zone single family? We're going to talk

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about future land use and zoning in Diamond Square

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to accomplish there. and And remember, we talked about the visioning process uh that needs to occur

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talk about those properties in that process fronting uh 520. um So we'll, that's going to ultimately probably require some, some uh comprehensive plan changes and some zoning changes

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single family homes, but you never know. And so I think the

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you can do single, single family and you can do multi-family on it. So, so again, we'll, we'll get, we'll get, uh we'll get the proper and appropriate zoning when the time comes there. But, but again, we certainly talk about what this can, can become, you know, um bill. so I

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know, I know we have needs in, um in our community, Diamond Square community. One of the big needs, and that doesn't sound like this can go in that particular piece of property. But one of our big needs is we need to have office space. um whether it's a workshop office or whatever, but office space for businesses in our community. And we don't have that. We run into that problem with the Upstart program that, you know, people want to come, uh to our community and want to start businesses. But we just don't have the business space. I know that that may not be something that could be changed for that particular ‸ property. You never know. But, um

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about where can we as a board. And since we don't own prop that's where you know when we we miss our opportunity when we don't own anything. You know, it's just like family. Family doesn't own anything. It doesn't have any heritage or wealth. We don't have any heritage of wealth.

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um We don't own property. um uh

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retrieve this piece of property that we currently lost

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One question, and anyone can make the motion for it, but

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anything

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outside of just this?

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we're if we're here as a board to improve the community, like we say, and I believe we're all on the same page, how come we don't have access to being able to purchase more property?

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of, from what Tracy was saying, uh ‸ Madam Chair, I'm sorry, what Madam Chair was saying,

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instead of maybe, instead of a long way like a plaza, can you build the businesses on top of each other? Like if you go to Winter Garden or Orlando, they'll have the businesses sitting on top of each other along with, and then apartments on top of that. So you can knock out two birds with one stone, which will draw the community, you know, a new breed of people that we're asking for. Instead of just sitting here, I would hate for us to sit here and retrieve the property back, which I do want. But for us to have come back to this place, we can't come back to this same place again.

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Yeah. And the and I don't know what the height uh

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And the whole mixed use concept, that's a sort of mixed use concept okay you can have, where you can have uh uh ‸ commercial retail office on the, on the ground floor. And then you can have people living above it. That's, an that's, that's the mixed use. old self-contained, self-supporting community concept also. And so, so certainly we've talked about that as staff on 520 ‸ can talk about that going into the, into the, into the neighborhood. ‸ and so when you dispense with this, I would also say that, you know, as we sit here 2025 and the expiration of the, of the, uh of the, uh of the district in 2032, that you i have another motion to offer you

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dispense with this.

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Yeah.

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So so so if you're if

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gonna ‸ put a motion on the table to um to ask the city council to transfer this property back to you and you're gonna ‸ put a time frame on there.

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So you can't do the 10 that I suggested ‸ earlier. But again, I'm also going to suggest that you ask the city council to uh uh uh to. um Eventually ask this the county commission for an extension of the uh the uh the CRA uh time frame.

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i Understand totally. okay so can I get a um after this discussion? Are there any more questions if they're not? okay um can we get a motion in regards to. reacquiring uh the property, the deed. Of the property. And bringing that before city council.

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there

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to them for us to do something

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second

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something second any questions additions to that motion if not all in favor aye anyone opposed

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and then i'd also like a motion to direct council to

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try to get on the schedule or the agenda of the County Commission to ‸ see about extending our CRA another 10 years at least

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i think the maximum will only be 2041.

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think that's per florida statutes so

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what is that

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nine

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mean, I would simply say it this way, that that this board

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to extend the life of the diamond square cra to 2041. and and i and i and i'll say we we I know Councilman

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has had conversations. I've had conversations. And so, um

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And so, I don't really want to go have conversations about the possibility of making their ‸ request.

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are requesting as the agency that they make that request to extend

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For

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Yes. Yes.

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‸ And I think, and I'm gonna ‸ go on and say who's all in favor before I'm, well, no, it's time for me to say what I want to say first, actually. um so we're looking at extending it to four, uh

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Okay. So that's nine years, additional years. um

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it in this format as a motion. So I, I, ‸ really like

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Motion

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Great. um yeah, I think about two meetings ago we talked about this, because we had gone to

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that

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we all should be doing that across the board that all, um

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to extend their, CRAs to CRAs in. And we hope that that never ends, but we definitely need to take advantage of the fact that as long as it

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uh I know Commissioner

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is supportive, in support of CRAs.

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duty to, uh to definitely make sure we get as much support as possible in regards

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madam chair and i i apologize i was not here to hog your meeting there. But one of the things that ‸ this is new to room reminded me is that there's a revenue restriction on on the CRA. And so

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guys wanted to uh

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increase

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by extending also have that restriction lifted. um

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so you you may want to to uh amend

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amend

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it or or do that as a separate. Do

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another motion that would uh asking the.

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Additional. uh is it.

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restrict The restriction is on the the county. The county and

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council, I mean the commission meeting before. They made us make some promises that I didn't care for. uh But at the time we made them because it was uh contingent upon ‸ that we had to make these concessions uh

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So to me, this crosses that that crosses out that opportunity for them to come back to us with the same type of uh I think they made us promise we wouldn't make any more bills and some other stuff that they had that you know it was kind of ridiculous.

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not uh take on any additional debt. And

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agency as a in order to retain the diamond square redevelopment agency. And that was part of the interlocal agreement that was established between the city and the county.

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and fifty thousand dollars was actually exceeded by the agency and we had to uh we we could not keep that money. We had to give that back to the back to the county

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right I

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brought that back to you at a couple of meetings

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ago.

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let us uh do you want to amend or Should we make another motion? I think we should make another motion. Make a second motion. It would be cleaner that way. yeah Yeah. Can we get a motion to remove the restriction? I

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make a motion that we remove the restrictions uh of the Diamond Square CRA. Remove the cap? remove the cap

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the tip from the county. Yes.

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I request that? Yes. ‸ okay

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so we are requesting.

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‸ Just

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to clarify, Mr. Brown's motion to request the removal

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um question. um

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it? Is, could it

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I think ultimately the request would be

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hopefully none of the county commissioners are watching tonight, but I mean it's a It's a And so if you go and you say extend me to

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Right. You've not asked that the uh the cap be lifted on that. So, so independent of that you're saying lift the ‸ cap, but that's not associated with the extension.

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So, I mean, and again, you know, that's that's I'm gonna leave that to you guys to decide what's the best

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Yeah, that's why I wanted to bring it up. Because when I thought about it, I was like, okay, so they can vote one way and not vote the other. um so just thought, do you think that is wise to do it separately? I'll

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leave it to the attorney and the city manager.

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But y'all have to go ahead and finish this motion right before I can combine.

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before we can combine them. I need a vote on the second one.

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can combine. Okay. All right. It's been moved and probably second on the remove of the cap. Can we get a vote? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

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make a motion that we can consolidate the motion one

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and two.

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you. I need to make sure it saves. It's giving me a... I apologize.

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Consolidate motion one and two for the council

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CRA extension and cap on removed off of the tip funds.

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Second. Second.

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To combine the two motions. All in favor? Aye.

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Got a lot done. Thank you very much for being here, city manager, tonight to kind of guide us as well because

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property, zoning, different plans that we need to do before we can do.

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needed to know. Any other reports from staff?

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Yeah, the the only other the update is the Michael C. Blake subdivision and the negotiations with Lennar. So we plan on bringing those to the March 4th of the development agreement to the March 4th planning and zoning meeting.

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And we have submitted to them a draft development agreement. We'll make sure you guys get copies of that.

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on March 4th and then March 18th to the City Council and be off and running with that with that project.

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kick that off there. But obviously you guys will be included in a meeting just from with the consultant. And then we'll talk about how we plan out all the community input meetings there. So so those are those are the ‸ two things that are going on.

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of affordable housing. So

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that's the city council. Most

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of those are in if not all of them are in the Diamond Square district there.

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have a question for the city manager. The pictures that were on the website of the Lamar homes. Are those the ones that you're looking at to go into the ‸ Diamond Square?

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I thought did we we I thought we showed you the elevations. Elevations. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we we did show you the elevations there. And again a different concept.

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know the beauty of that is is that there are 17 remaining lots there. They're going to split those into their paying per split for those. And so the proposal on the table was 15,000 per split. And so they'll get 32 homes on it.

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But two of the lots are already of a size to where they can't be split there. So so yeah, if if if you're looking at it, we'll

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you those elevations around ‸ again.

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only thing we talked about and I forget whether it was here, but it may have been at the city council meeting is, uh, is there an elevation that includes a bedroom on the bottom floor? Because remember these are two story homes there and there is some some concern about folks my age and uh, um, ‸ having a bedroom only on the, only on the second floor. So

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I would just request ‸ that the property south of the Moore building with the house already on the corner.

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with a two story home.

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It's facing it's facing Blake.

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Right. Facing. Yeah.

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whether those were included in the, in the 17 or not,

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I think you brought that up before and I think you did say that they were not

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Yeah,

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those two lots that are out

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that would be south of it. Yeah. Let me, let me just double check

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I don't want to be wrong on that.

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Okay. Sounds like a interesting meeting. We're going to have next meeting in March. Um, a lot to discuss, especially the visioning component. Where are we with it and where do we go with it with informing the community? That's going to be very important.

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city council number here now.

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I apologize for being really late. So, uh, there's a few things. The owner, if you

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or not, but the speed bumps are installed on Blake. Um,

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yeah. And,

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you know, they were requested because of the school and the church and other things. So they finally got installed. The last few got installed last this week. Um,

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no, Friday was it was the last day. Um, so they got installed. Stop signs on stone street have the flashing lights. Um, they got installed on. And if you know, those who haven't been on, um, diamond square board, you know, in the past, the diamond square board was charged to pay for a lot of those upgrades. Um,

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the city took on that effort instead of having a diamond square pay for it. And so I'm sure I know you remember those, those days when everything that had to be done through diamond square. So, uh, I want to highlight that. So appreciate the council for, uh, agreeing with me on that to get that done.

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Um, another opportunity to ‸ try to negotiate some things inside the community. Um, I am working on trying to convince the council to, um, to really support the museum. And I need you guys help. All right. Um, I don't know what this conversation is going to be. I don't know where we're going to go with it, but I'm going

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try my best to try to get the museum to be functional open. Um, and so I don't know what that may look like as far as the diamond square, uh, partnering with the city. Um, I know it's going to be a cost. Um, we've

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to a year or so. And I could be wrong on that, on that timeframe, but, um, that's not working.

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to run the, run the museum. And so that may come with a cost. That may come with a small cost. It might come. I don't know what that's going to look like. And from the recommendation from the city manager is maybe

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up an RFP, um, allowing agencies or non-profits to bid on that. Uh, and instead of going my route, which was find somebody, let's do it. Um, and so he had a, uh, another take on it.

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an RFP done.

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a part of diamond square. It's in the heart of diamond square. And so I'm asking for you to consider later on, just keeping in your mind that I may come back and say, Hey, look, uh,

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hopefully. And so we want to try to get something done within the next few years. Uh, we, we know with help of staff and Charlene and everyone else getting grants where we're getting there. Um, but I'm just tired of seeing it close. Uh, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. And so, um, I'm asking for your support, uh, on that. Uh, I'm gonna try my best to support you guys on the recommendation that y'all have for the council earlier. I ‸ heard, uh, and by the way, I was listening. Y'all sound real good.

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but I just want to just kind of help you understand you have power in your emotions.

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there. And so I'm saying that one more time, there's power in the motions that you make. And so if we decide to do the five, four, whatever it is, you as a group need to make that motion for whatever it is that you want. And let's get this thing done. We don't have a lot of time. And I said this in our council meeting too recently. Um, I'm not going to be on council. I got maybe another year and a half, two years. The things that we need to do. We, I don't know who's going to come behind me. I don't know who's going to come behind anybody else on council.

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Let's make these motions and get it done. And so I say that with respect, but also say it trying to let you.

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So whatever it is that we need to vote on, let's vote on it. And let's push whatever amount that we have. We need to just get it done. Just, I'm just trying to help you understand that.

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cause again, we don't know who's going to come behind him either. And it may be somebody that not with the ideas that you may have. And so, um, again,

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Uh, if you have things inside of your district or where you live, shoot those emails to those council members. Um, because it may be some things they put in their priorities that may not be what you want. And so we have March 4th coming up and I,

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have ‸ another one in April. No, I know, I know March 4th for sure.

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Okay.

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It starts at five o'clock. The council priorities workshop is at 5 p.m. here.

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All right. Here in city

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chambers, right?

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Here.

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And sometime

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long and draw it out.

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period. And I need you to be a part of that conversation. Um,

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before and I got side-eyed when I did this, but if you have somewhere to go, let me know that

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coming. And I would do a time certain on you coming in, you can speak and you can go. Um, just let me know that. And then I get yelled at after the fact. I'm fine

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with that. But

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I'm just, I'm just trying to let you know the urgency of the time.

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We've been talking about for a long time.

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Um, I think we have a lot of good conversations. I know Mr. Brown has been talking. Um, hopefully people say what they're going to do, what they say they they're going to do. And that would be good. It was unfortunate that it happened.

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We'll find out anyway. So,

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okay.

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I think that's, that's really all I had.

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All right. Staff, do you have any additional information we may need to know tonight? No, Madam Chair. Okay. I passed out the booklets that I had before. I wanted everyone to have it. There are a lot of good ideas inside of that. We talked about murals. We talked about, um, street art. And you'll see examples of that inside of that booklet as well. Uh, so just, uh, future projects. We got visioning coming up.

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in our plan. We want to have things in our plan that, you know, low hanging fruit, so to speak, that says we're doing what we're supposed to be doing to a beautify, uh, diamond square, and moving it forward, uh, as well.

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Uh,

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so, um, I do have some more of those magazines.

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Is that the

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best book?

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that? That

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is the,

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uh,

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hold on. That is the, um, Spartanburg official destination guide.

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All right. I have some additional

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ones, so I'll make sure you get one. Okay. Okay. All right. But, um, some excellent examples of what we were thinking of when we went to our, um, to our conference. We saw some of those examples in that book where there was, um, neighborhood art, uh, on the walls, murals. Uh, and also, um, I don't know if we saw a mural in the street. I think, I think we may have seen one or two down by the, um, I think there was a museum, um, that had some art on the street. But,

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can do in partnerships.

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Do we currently have a PNC as a partner with the city and doing any projects at all? PNC bank?

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PNC

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bank? No,

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not that I'm aware of.

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CRA projects. Um, I will share that with city so that you can see what I saw, uh, because PNC is right across the street from my house. And so I was thinking about, you know, going over and just sitting down with someone and seeing if they knew about this particular,

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it before we make those inquiries. Uh, but it was a, it was a mandate that came down from corporate. The PNC banks have, uh, dedicated a certain amount of money towards all

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If we can gather that information, that would be great to involve them in partnership with us and some of the things that we're doing. That's all I have. Any, uh,

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If not, thank you all for your time tonight. I think we had a very good meeting. I hope you all feel the same way. And,

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uh,

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we'll see you guys in March. Can we get a motion?

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we got a lot of seconds on that one. All in favor. Aye. Okay. Good night, everyone. Drive safely.

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Good night. Good night.

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School

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readiness. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They need to take time.

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I was asking

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Possibly in the parents,

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you know,

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