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No harm, no foul, man.
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It is. You're going to need more than that, baby.
No, they only lost by five.
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I look like I'm up. Yeah.
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How's the trend? That's all. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Nip it.
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Good.
Didn't lose my note. I lost my note there yesterday. I've never seen so many people in here. Well, I did. When we wanted to talk about
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ready? Welcome,
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Chief Prince, do the invocation for us.
Everybody stand. Thank you.
Thank
you.
Dear Heavenly Father, we thank you for this day. We thank you for this opportunity to be here. We ask you to guide us tonight through the city business. And, Father, we just thank you for everyone that's here that helped through that city business tonight. We ask you just prepare us and let us go about taking care of things as would be fit for our city. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen.
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Mayor
Parrish? Here.
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He's here. He stepped upstairs to grab a document.
Thank you.
Okay.
Thank you. We're going
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move to the agenda and minutes.
Motion to approve the agenda for tonight's meeting and the minutes of the regular meeting of December 8th.
Second. All in favor? Aye. ‸ Any opposed? All right.
‸ Move ‸ delegations.
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start off with the
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reason I'm up here is, as you know, at your father's funeral, which ‸ I was honored. And I thank you for that. Also, I want to mention the police action during that. The traffic control was outstanding. They did one heck of a job of keeping the traffic away from the road and just rolling us on, keeping us going. A very, very good job. Chief,
you
did a heck, your men did a heck of a job. And I just want to pass that on. And, of course, it's getting lonely here, Friday. And ‸ they're leaving me behind. Okay. Thank you.
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Okay. Oliver Wells.
Mayor, council, I'm very thankful for the opportunity to share just a little bit with all of you and encourage every person, not only on this council and in this room,
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a part of the Martin Luther King activities. Martin Luther King made an interesting statement, but I think it's one that's very true. The statement was this. We may have all come in on different ships, but we're all in the same boat now. And he said that. I ‸ think it's very, very astute for him to have made that quote because he understood what happened to one of us affects all of us. I'm here really to encourage all of you to be a part of the march, the MLK march that will
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It begins at 2 o'clock p.m.
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the back of Provost Park, east and will come all the way east into the entrance of Riverfront Park. The reason this is so important is that, first of all, Martin Luther King did not just represent African American interests. He was concerned about brotherhood and love for all people. It just so happened that he understood that the situations and the conditions for African Americans were disproportionate and he wanted to do his very best to create an equal playing ground. I think that's very important now.
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because of the challenges that we face here in the United States of America. So I want to encourage and challenge this August group to be a part of that march. On the 17th, if you would want to be a part of this, on the 17th of January, there will be a memorial service that will take place at the Zion
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and you want to be a part of that. There's a new pastor at Friendship Primitive Baptist Church that will be the speaker at that event. At the event on Monday, there will be a wonderful ‸ young man that will be speaking. Rashad Wilson is his name. He's the principal, as most of you know, of Endeavor Elementary, and I think this young man is going to have a whole lot to say, not only to the adults that will be there, but to the young people that will be there because there's a great need to reach out to them. So I want to encourage you to be a part of it. In fact,
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event. Council, we're asking that you would march with us. It's even though many times we've done this, it's festive, but it's very serious to me. I told my assistant today, she said, Pastor, am I going to be off? I said, yes, you'll be off, but you need to be on. And she said, what are you talking about? And I explained to her that this day came about because somebody had to die for the freedom and for the freedoms, many of the kinds of freedoms that we enjoy. So I'm just asking that you would march with us in recognition of not only the past, but to challenge the future. And as you do that, I'm sure you'll be blessed and the city will be blessed. Thank you so much.
Thank you.
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o'clock?
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What time, sir?
Oh, I'm sorry.
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Very sorry. 6 o'clock p.m. That service is 6 o'clock p.m. We want to make sure that we invite not
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in the community, but we're wanting a cross-section of people because this, again, it's all of us. We're in the same boat now.
Right. That's right. It has been universal, sir. It has been
cross-sectional
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because I recall on a multitude of occasions we all march at the same cadence in the same harmony. So, yes, sir. It
is to verify for those not able to march,
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Yes. Those who are not able to march, absolutely. We do gather for service at the very end of the march at 3 o'clock. Thank you, city manager. ‸ And so we're asking that the council would be a part of that particular gathering as well.
Yes,
sir. I'll be there. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, sir. It's
in the place with the human race.
Lawrence Sinclair. I think
it's
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an agenda item, sir. Yeah. He's on delegations and agenda items. Okay.
Yeah, I kind of screwed up. Sorry about that,
guys. Do you want to... My
sympathies... No, let's be real quick. My sympathies, I did not know.
Yeah. It's... ‸ Remember that day you saw me?
Yes, I ‸ do. So, guys, I'm going to make this one brief. On the camera issue in the community, in the event that we have any new news, I wanted to make it clear. Outside of the cameras that have been publicly announced that are installed on my property in that general area,
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Those homeowners, I mean, Chief Cantaloupe in the city will be notified where those cameras are at and located in the event that they need something from them. But I really don't want to put homeowners out on the 6 o'clock news kind of thing. Okay. We will be getting two more installations done between tomorrow and Thursday. Sorry, I'm working a little slow.
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and I keep getting burnt a little bit trying to get it all done.
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And there's some issues I'd like to talk to the council about real quick and
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So we really need to do something about specific drug houses in Broadmoor Acres. We've done quite a good job at bringing neighbors together that's keeping an eye out and at least letting people know what's going on. But we've got houses in this neighborhood that it has to be obvious to different agencies what's going on. Because, I mean, you don't even have to live there. You can just drive through there and you know what's going on. I mean,
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is a
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I mean, they make Steak and Shake and Checkers and Rally look like chumps, you know, in ‸ the late night business.
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has been a hotbed of gunshots, drugs, prostitution for quite some time, according to people who have lived in the neighborhood a lot longer than me.
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1055 just recently rented the place. And they almost actually rented the property next door to me that shouldn't even be rentable. But to have residents being woke up at 2 and 3 in the morning because people are banging on doors, you know, and screaming back and forth and doing drug deals. And, I mean, literally, this ‸ really is a drive-through market right now. And we really need to try to figure out how to curb it. Okay? Other than that, I would like to specifically
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resolve an issue. I want to acknowledge Ed and Public Works for getting some signage fixed. That Olive Street and Park Drive, I remembered what we addressed that. ‸ The neighborhood's slowly getting cleaned up. And code enforcement's doing a pretty good job on their own, too.
Real fast, Lawrence. What's the development south of, north of BCC?
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called me about. Doing the same thing you're doing.
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Okay.
And ‸ so the thing is, I know we don't have it worked out, but work with the city. And the attorney's going to come out with something at some point soon. Okay. And perfect this thing because we're going to do the same thing down at
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a few of us to meet with them. Okay. Let you know.
I will tell you that I've got a commitment for you.
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I won't say which little birdie that is, but she's the prettiest one on the council. Although Mr. Blake's wearing the color of royalty. I had whispered something in my ear, and I don't know that Night Owl can afford to actually donate equipment.
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But I will tell you that they will give the community tremendous discounts on product. Okay. Good. Okay? Good.
Thank you.
‸ Good evening. Happy 2016. This is the first council meeting of 2016, right? Woo-hoo! Hey.
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New year. New stuff.
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I am here
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I am actually the newly
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Again? How many
years?
For the third time. Third time.
Wow. Strong, right? But Emma and I just switched jobs, you know, so we can keep the continuity going. We've got some good stuff going on, and we plan on continuing the good work that we've been doing, the great events that are going on. We're in a little bit of a lull as far as events go right now.
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what it's called.
This Saturday, that's a once-a-month thing. Then the next event is Sip and Stroll on February 13th. That's a Friday night from 5 to 9. That will be a wonderful, romantic thing for people to be doing together before Valentine's Day. And then after that comes the Spring Arts and Crafts Fair on March 5th and 6th. So we've got ‸ our usual full agenda for the year. We will
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where Nana's Antiques used to be. We're expanding a little bit.
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going on.
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It's a beautiful, beautiful location. We're very excited about that. Good.
Good.
And I want to assure council that, and staff, because
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You're just awesome. We will continue our tradition of doing our very best to have at least one board member from the HCVA at every council meeting so that we can report to you, so that we can report back to the board on what is going on in the city. We continue to meet monthly with all of the other entities in the village with the city manager, and it's just phenomenal to be able to have that kind of interaction.
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And I think it really has helped us get to the point that we're at.
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happy 2016.
unless
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you guys have questions.
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I'll be seeing you around. Keep up the great work. Thank you, Jan. Thank you.
Pleasure meeting with each one. You and the other merchants.
Alan Chapman.
Associations.
Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Council, ‸ members of staff.
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You're hearing a lot of us tonight. I wanted to just take this opportunity to commend the city manager and his staff on the success of the Economic Breakfast last Friday. Peter Kakayama was a fantastic speaker. It was really a terrific event, and economic development deserves full kudos. And the seminar that afternoon was also well thought out, well done, and a lot of fun. We had a great time. So I wanted to thank you and say, job well done. Thank you very much.
It was a great event.
And just to follow up quickly, Saturday on the Square coming up this Saturday, noon to 3.
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And this is a joint effort between HCVA and the city of Cocoa.
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So anyway, please come out if you can. Thank you.
Thank you. Alan, before you leave, if I can, Mr. Mayor, kind of jump on to what you were talking about, about the seminar in the afternoon. And Alan and I kept looking at each other as that guy was talking because he was spouting something that Alan and I have been talking about for quite some time. And we just kept saying, boy, we're not so dumb after all. That's true. So we're probably going to try to push ahead ‸ with a little bit of that as we go through this new year. And if you were listening to Mr. what is his name?
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You heard some pretty good stuff.
And
some of his stuff was novel.
It was novel. And do you want me to say more? ‸ Go
ahead, if you will. Yeah, go ahead.
Well, Councilman Furbish and I have been discussing the possibility ‸ of a trial, street closing, in the city, but specifically in the village.
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trying closing
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if I'm wrong.
That's right.
On Wednesday and calling it a market day and
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on a trial to see if we can do two things. Number one, encourage more pedestrian traffic in the village. And number two, ‸ to see if we can expand that market into what it should really be.
And
grow
it. That's great. And grow it, yeah.
So it's ‸ something that we thought about. HCVA is also working on an initiative to help expand some of the dog friendliness in the village that we'll talk about in the future.
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‸ And darn if Katayama didn't say that and then right in that spot that we've been talking about. You bet. He did. He saw a lot of stuff.
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Yeah. Very
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Thanks, Al. Jeremy Phelps.
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Happy New Year. Glad to be back again. We have been busy since we kicked ‸ it off on January 2nd. We had Jonathan Shepard's show standout this past weekend.
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So we have been at it already. Had a great beginning to 2016.
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to keep on going. Right now, our people are gathering. They're going
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half an hour. They start around 7 o'clock tonight.
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that show opens January 29th and runs right now through February 14th, Valentine's Day. But we're hoping that we can sell it out and add a few more shows. So if people come on out and check us out,
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we might be able to sell that out and add another weekend. But as of right now, we're going to have to close it at February 14th. Monday and Tuesday, February 1st and 2nd, we have another audition. Auditions this time for the show Sugar, which is based off of the old movie Some Like It Hot, the old Marilyn Monroe comedy. So that's going to be another fun show that opens and runs March 11th through March 27th. And then February 16th,
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Folks who kind of believe in the mission of the Playhouse and want to support us, they will be hosting a series of Epicurean food-related events for the Playhouse. This first one on February 16th, it's a Tuesday morning from 10 o'clock in the morning until noon.
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Playhouse.
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you'll get to meet some of the production team and some of the actors. We'll provide a nice little brunch there as a kickoff to that series. We just got these hot off the press, the brochures for that. I'll put a few in the lobby. You can also pick them up right at the lobby of the Playhouse also. And that's about it right now. We're just getting to it for 2016, having a great time, and looking forward to just continuing a really successful season that we've had so far. So we appreciate everything you guys do for us. ‸ Just
an idea on your ‸ sugar. Sugar? Sugar. You can do something with a sugar shack. Donuts.
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Oh, yeah. Just a thought.
Yeah, you
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Okay. We'll go to... That's it for delegations. We have other speakers, obviously. So we'll go to consent.
It's... We don't have an agenda.
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Well, it's...
Our machines are acting out there.
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Is he back with it yet? Because...
We can't approve the consent agenda items, though, right?
Could do that, I guess. Yes. We've all read them, so...
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who don't have it?
How about that?
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Well, that's a great idea. What if they were to pull up on the computer back there, the PDF of the agenda, and then just display it on the... So at least everybody's looking at it, and... Somebody has to control
it,
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as we go along, but...
In the interim. Sorry for the technical glitch. We've been on the phone. ‸ Found out late this afternoon. I mean, right before the meeting that we're having an issue with our...
Murphy's Law.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
Well...
Yeah, we're at consent, but...
They
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I got
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Who's yours at?
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Okay. Yeah.
I'm going to make a motion to approve the consent agenda items.
Second.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
Aye.
I'm going
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That's you, Larry.
Steve.
Yes. Thank you, Mayor. This is a
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requesting code enforcement lien be forgiven for ‸ property at 1052 Mitchell Street. The code enforcement board held a public hearing on May 21, 2009, which time found the owner, the owner at the time, Richard Lee Brown, in violation of unfinished structure and a building permit. The lien ran at $100 per day from July 26, 2009, until compliance is achieved on October 26, 2009. The lien is $11,200, and the current ‸ owner is requesting the lien be forgiven. The staff recommended to the code enforcement board at its regular meeting on
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to reduce the lien to $500, And
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at this time.
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And before I look,
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December, and I had mentioned something to him about getting a speeding ticket. And we were just joking around, and I had made the comment to the mayor,
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if I'm not responsible for something, I'll fight tooth and nail into the death to defend against it. I've asked for this lien to be forgiven for me because I don't know if you guys really know the history of how I bought this house and brought more acres, but I'm going to give you a brief synopsis. The gentleman that bought it from a tax lien sale let it sit for two years. He was noticed by code enforcement that he needed to bring it up to code,
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I was contacted in September of 2014.
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tried to get contractors. I knew this guy was not going to put the money necessary into bringing this property up to code. As a last-ditch effort, this gentleman was prepared to let it go to the code board hearing
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city. He was ready to let the city foot the cost, and I can assure you he had no intentions of reimbursing the city for that cost. He would have just let it sit there until the city did another sale on it. I can produce all the email communications between me and Mr. Davis with your building and zoning, trying to figure out how to get this property up to code. As a last-ditch effort, I suggested that I buy the property from the gentleman, and I knew that I was going to have a lot of work to do on it.
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and
I'll be honest with you. At first, I didn't think he was ever going to even give me the permit to get going, but all the permits were obtained. All the drawings and the specs for the construction that's taking place on this property, I did myself.
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All the wiring, everything that's been done on this property, I've been doing on my own. The first council meeting, I stood here and told you guys, for people like me that live on a limited income, you know, that fire assessment thing was kind of high. What people don't know is I really do live on a limited income. I don't ask anybody to pay my bills. In this particular case, this lien, this fine was imposed on Richard Brown in 2009, a gentleman that still to this day resides in the city, that at the time worked for the county of Brevard at the property appraiser's office. The lien notice clearly states that under Florida law, you could actually put a lien on any real and or personal property of Mr. Brown's. This lien is because Mr. Brown, a county employee, thought that he could thumb
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and he pushed it. From all the notices that are on file, he pushed it. I didn't. Now, I haven't asked the city to pay anything for me to bring this property up to code. I haven't asked the city to pay anything for me to do anything in my neighborhood. But I am asking the city to hold them. If you're going to hold anybody responsible for this, hold the individual that created it. Hold the individual that actually is responsible under law. Not me. Because if you don't forgive it, if you take the code board's recommendation and drop it to 500, that means I have 30 days to come up with 500. 500 for something I had nothing to do with. But I will tell you now, this property is beyond being up to code. That's all I have to say. Okay.
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It's normally my suggestion and the direction of this council to take the code board's recommendation. However, I'm going to suggest, ‸ Mr. Sinclair's case, that we not follow the code board's recommendation because
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in improving the entire Broadmoor Acres community, let alone what he's done to his property. He hosted the neighborhood meeting at his own expense.
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So my motion is going to be that we forgive the lien against Mr. Sinclair's property in Broadmoor Acres.
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Acres?
171 lots.
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A little
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‸ There's actually less than 171.
I like what Brenda said. What you've done, nobody else has done.
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the oldest residential development in the city of Cocoa. And you probably increased its value, I don't know, a lot, just by what you're doing and what you've been doing. And I'm for that.
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But the code board is also, I know, from speaking to them individually, they are not aware of what's been going on in the neighborhood with Mr. Sinclair and the community meetings he's held and the other stuff.
Okay, because like you said, normally we will go along with what the citizen boards recommend to us or why the heck would we have them?
Exactly.
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I just want to know that. Thank you.
Councilman Furbish, if I may, and Mr. Belden, I think, will back me up.
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property up before the code board. It was not my intent to come here. Okay? Understood. All right.
Mr.
Blake.
Yes, sir. Thank you. I just want to get it from a legal perspective. Mr. City Attorney, we're trying not to establish a negative precedent here. ‸ I don't want to open up Pandora's box.
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I know we're at liberty to ‸ supersede what the code board has recommended, but I would like to hear legally from you, sir. If that's okay.
Well, as you know, the council has discretion regarding the ‸ reduction in or forgiveness of these code enforcement liens pursuant to law.
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of the code enforcement lien in the agenda package.
And
my question to staff would
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is does the code enforcement lien, was it filed against the violator and any real and personal property owned by the violator?
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lien was recorded. But I'm assuming it's a standard code lien.
Correct.
So, you know, in this particular case, you know, maybe a solution is to just do a partial release of the lien, release Mr. Sinclair's property of the burden of the lien, but keep the lien recorded against the original violator in any personal and real property that they may own.
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I will modify it to include Anthony's suggestion that we forgive the lien against Mr. Sinclair
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and keep the lien against the previous owner and violator of our
codes
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My question,
just
for clarification, so the lien in its full amount would ‸ remain against the original violator and then be held against any real property or other tangible property that we can legally attach the lien to, but it would be released from Mr. Sinclair's property. Right.
It's a partial release, just releasing this piece of real estate.
But just releasing his
property, but The actual amount owed originally still remains in effect. There's no reduction. Correct.
Okay.
All right.
Just so it's clear on the record. Anybody else?
I second it so you can call.
Okay. Okay. ‸ So pretty much you answered my question, Mr. Garganese.
Actually, he answered your question the way I was hoping he would because I'm a firm believer Mr. Brown needs to be held responsible for this, and he is in this city.
For future reference,
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Well, I mean, it's always an option to consider partial releases of lien depending on the circumstances, but ‸ my experience in dealing with these code enforcement liens over the years, every case seems to have its own little twist to it. So to throw everything in one box sometimes doesn't work.
Okay. Okay.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
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Steve.
Yes, sir.
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requesting code enforcement lien be forgiven for a property located at 415 Churchill Drive.
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finding the owner
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of swimming pools and enclosures and accessory structures.
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from May 23rd, 2015, until compliance was achieved on July 30th, 2015. This lien is for a total of $17,000, and the owner is requesting that the lien be forgiven. The staff recommended that the lien be reduced to $1,700.
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that
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Thank you.
So moved. And there's
a representative here.
Yeah. Jerome? Kopenski?
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Just wanted to provide you with some additional information to consider in my request for the lien to ‸ be forgiven, if not further reduced, per the code enforcement board's decision. I acquired the property in April of 2015 of this year, and the property records and deed were filed with the Brevard County Courts as of May 5th. This violation occurred on May 18th, as noted in the Code Enforcement agent's report. However, the notice of the violation was not sent to me. It was actually sent to the previous owner, which was Fountain Property Management Corporation.
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to Fountain Property Management that's in Palm Beach County. I was not made aware of any potential violations until that previous owner contacted me in June of this year, where I then reached out to the code enforcement office by phone and spoke with an agent. At that time, the agent did not inform me that any liens or fines were currently occurring ‸ on the property, but he was able to describe ‸ the description of the violation. At the time, the house was vacant.
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call, I thought was the issue. I took one extra attempt at resolving the issue because the fence, the violation is actually for a gate lock that didn't latch correctly on the fence that led up to the pool. I didn't come to find out that until later in July, but we did get that violation up to code as quickly as we could without having a proper notice delivered to us or a formal document that indicated what that violation was. At the time,
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However, they ‸ advised them that the notice was not sent to me.
It
was actually sent to the wrong party. They advised me that because it was provided in a publication that that suffice the legal requirement. Subsequently, I have done some research and according to Florida State Statute 162.06,
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notifying the property owner by certified mail, but not as a replacement to certified mail. Also, the proof of that posting in a public form was not provided to me, as my understanding is required by Florida State Statute as well. So I'm asking for the council and the mayor to consider further reduction, if not forgiveness, of the lien and the fines imposed on the property. As such, there's been no further violations of this property that we've acquired and the violation was brought to compliance in an expeditious manner.
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that we did notify the previous owner and when it was returned, we did post the property as ‸ is proper procedure. So the property was posted ‸ with the notification and as indicated, there were workers there so ‸ everybody was aware that there ‸ was a violation.
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And I just would like to add, having been formally involved with it,
I
know they typically take photos of the posting of the property, ‸ and that is part of the record. Correct. So ‸ they can validate the fact that it was posted. They have a ‸ photo.
Okay.
Ms. Warner?
I just have a question. ‸ Steve, what method do we use to identify the property owner of a property? I mean, where are we getting our information?
It would be from the property appraiser's website.
So
there is tip, sometimes there is a lag. Yes.
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how much of a lag time we're talking about with that? Because I mean, I've seen some where the property hasn't been updated or changed hands in months. Right.
On the
property appraiser's website.
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That's typically what we use. And again, if the notification that we send certified mail isn't received, then we do, and we usually do anyways, posting the property itself.
‸ Okay. But we don't have another source besides the property appraiser to find a legal owner of a piece of property. So if their information is not updated, then we have an issue. Okay. Correct. Thank you.
I would like to add that all other websites,
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mean, even Zillow or realestate.com will indicate the clerk of court's filing as of May 5th is when it was posted as the transfer property from the previous owner to the current owner.
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I mean, speaking from a resident, I don't know about you, but I mean, I don't check recent publications to determine if my house is in violation of a code or not. This one.
Sorry.
So I understand.
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mean, ‸ that fulfills a certain legal requirement, but I mean, a simple record search in the clerk of court's office would indicate that the previous, that the new owner ‸ has acquired the property and would like to be adequately notified of such violations, especially occurring at $250 a day.
‸ All right.
Mr. City Manager.
Yeah. Just to clarify, Steve, when
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referring to posting, we were talking about placing a orange placard on the front door, that is, provides anybody on the property notice that it's subject to, correct?
Well, it's not an orange placard that would, for a posting of the violation,
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that is sent via certified mail that is attached to the front door of the property And we would take a picture of that, of that
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And you indicated there was workers present when the property was previously posted.
Correct.
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There were workers there. I was not made aware of any of those workers. as a third-party company that we used to renovate the property. that was not notified that the violation.
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since we acquired the property. So all these circumstances in consideration is, I mean, I understand that there's a
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but
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Mr. Mayor. Yes, sir.
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enforcement board to reduce the lien to $1,700.
Second.
All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?
Okay.
Thanks, sir. Okay. Now we go to number three. And, um, I have a number of cards for number three. So, we're going to call people up. Brenda?
Do, um, we won't let the, uh,
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Yeah, I guess public should do that, right?
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I can do that. You want to do it? Okay. Good.
Mayor and council, staff is requesting a direction from Council on, uh, the future of our, uh, collection of solid waste and recycling materials contract with, uh, ‸ waste management. Uh, our current contract, uh, set to expire, uh, September 30th, 2016.
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Uh, uh, ‸ that's open to council. Uh, One option is just to renew what we have. Option two is to renew the contract with modifications. However, we cannot extend, uh, the term beyond the, uh, five-year renewal option that we have available. And the third is to not take the renewal option and go out to bid.
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I know they've been around almost as long as I have. And, uh, they're, they're not in good shape. And, uh, they're obsolete technology, basically. Uh, option two, uh, that, uh, ‸ we have negotiated with waste management is to, uh, provide 64-gallon auto carts in place of the 18-gallon recycle bins. Uh, These would be distributed to all, uh, residential properties. And then, um, collection would take place on the normal day. Uh, It's a single stream cart program.
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Uh, just, uh, We would have to renew the contract for five years. We would also prepare or propose to adjust the time that, uh, we calculate the CPI. The way it's done now, it's, doesn't give enough time to do the budget.
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of course, uh, council may elect to, uh, direct staff to, to, uh, solicit bids. Uh, in that case, we would probably request that a, uh, a consultant be engaged, uh, to help the city get its best value and to go out to bid.
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request, uh, your, your direction.
Okay. We have some people that want to speak. Uh,
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after following a report and you received the annual report, we did provide for, uh, I think waste management has a, a very limited presentation they would like to,
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the, our current contractor who wants to make a presentation.
Let's, let's have
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distinguished members of the council, Mr. Tukanich, I'm Dena Ryder-Hicks, Public Affairs Manager for Waste Management. Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you here this evening. My presentation tonight will focus on four key areas. Waste Management's environmental commitment, technology, value-added service, and our future focus for COCO. Waste Management is North America's largest environmental solutions provider, offering global resources with a local focus. As a company, we remain committed to converting 90% of our fleet to clean-burning, environmentally-friendly, compressed natural gas fueled trucks. You saw one parked outside on your way in this evening. CNG vehicles are quieter, better for our air, and better for our lagoon. Our newest CNG fueling station and CNG trucks are now operational
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wondering if it's coming. With Waste Management, it's already here. The DriveCam video capture system is installed in all of our trucks. While the ‸ camera is always rolling, a recordable incident triggers the video capture, which becomes a coaching opportunity for our drivers. DriveCam also assists our communities through our
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If a driver witnesses an unusual event, accident, or fire, the driver can manually start the DriveCam system.
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are all Waste Watch certified and serve as an extra set of eyes and ears for our local authorities. Our GPS-based onboard computing system, known as OCS, holds many applications, including showing the location of our trucks in a specific area. This enables us to provide estimated service times and send supplementary trucks to handle heavy volume. This image shows a driver's planned route and special services for the day, which appear on an electronic tablet in all of our trucks,
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the road. If we zoom in to a particular address, the GPS system issues a valid ping and a time-date stamp that shows when we serviced any given address. In this example, we see that this home
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was serviced on this particular service day of December 28th at 10.41 a.m. We are currently using these tools to rebalance our routes in Cocoa to accommodate for several pockets of population growth.
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to better service our communities. We also invest in processing the materials we collect.
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made a significant capital investment right here in the city of Cocoa and in October 2014, began operations at our material recovery facility,
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processing about 6,000 tons of recyclables per month.
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economic impact and contributes over $95,000 a year to our area tax base.
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have one of these single stream recycling carts. We are here tonight to offer recycling carts to every resident of Cocoa at no additional charge. Additionally,
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began talking last spring about a program to clean up the city as a whole to include commercial green waste and vacant lot collection as a regular route. We'd like to keep this option on the table if it is something you wish to explore in the future.
I hear a car coming.
Some may argue that technology and service enhancements come at a high price. The fact is,
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a very high level of service at one of the most competitive rates in the county. This chart shows residential single-family home rates for about three-quarters ‸ of our municipalities.
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These rates are only residential single-family homes, not commercial or industrial. Every service level and contract specification in every municipality is different. For example, Cape Canaveral and Brevard County have no franchise fees, which you would expect to result in a lower single-family home rate. Some areas have a very basic level of service or different service altogether, such as
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multifamily base, which help to offset those residential rates. Cocoa enjoys a very competitive residential rate
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at six services per week, which include garbage, recycling, yard waste, bulk electronics, and white goods collection.
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one of the most competitive numbers in Brevard County and in the state of Florida. In the past 18 months, two Brevard municipalities placed their solid waste contract out for RFP. All bids submitted for those municipalities resulted in higher overall rates. However, waste management was the lowest overall bidder in both of these instances, further proving that we provide the best service for the lowest overall price.
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employs a significant number
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and we are fortunate to enjoy a tremendous amount of support. In fact, we're pleased to provide a number of letters of recommendation in your packet from area businesses, residents, and organizations
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for years, and we're here tonight to ask for your continued vote of confidence. We respectfully ask for your approval to exercise the renewal option on our contract to continue servicing the city with high-tech systems and recycling carts for the residents at no additional charge. And with that, I thank you very much for your time and for the trust and confidence you have placed in waste management.
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questions that you may have.
Question. In that cart right there, Yes, sir. I can put newspaper, Pepsi cans, all recyclable stuff in one cart. Correct. Absolutely.
Yes, sir. Single-stream recycling, and we'll make sure that ‸ We distribute information to all residents so they absolutely know what can go into that cart. And on the flip side of that, what cannot go into that cart. They will receive information packet with the cart when it's delivered that will provide them with that information and will provide ongoing communication through Ed's team as well so residents are constantly informed.
How many employees are
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About 10. So about a third of them.
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Cocoa plant.
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Oh, for drivers, ‸ 30? Okay.
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This is Mr. Nelson. He heads up our Cocoa hauling operation, so I'll defer to some of these questions.
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So like everything else, it takes everybody. It's not just the drivers. It's not just the management. It takes everybody all together. No matter what company it is, it takes everybody all together. Absolutely.
Okay. Okay. I don't have any questions. Anybody else?
Just real quick, South Cocoa has like a little decal on their trash can lid.
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Viewed it before, rather. The do's and don'ts. I'm just curious if that was chosen. I'm just saying. Right. Right. Just, you know, some people
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Just like... What not to put in? Right.
I think we had that. Originally, they were ‸ on the inside of the...
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They will have the... To Councilman Blake's point, it's embedded actually in ‸ the lid itself. So it's not a sticker. It cannot come off. So in the manufacturing process, yes, that will be in there as well.
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Last time we had a trash can come up, somebody was in it.
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do have
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Well,
you
can go ahead because I forgot what mine was already. Would you not
put the sticker with the pickup days and what goes in each cart on the top of them as well?
Yes. So this way it reminds the residents what they... To remind residents of their service days. Absolutely.
I see you.
I
remember now. Okay. And how soon... If we gave you a green light tonight, how soon can you roll those things out?
Our district manager, Mike Lewis, is ready to order them tomorrow morning.
And
it depends on manufacturing schedules. Right now, they're running in about two to three months. So right now, we're probably looking at about, you know, distributing
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probably around April time frame, April, May. And we'll make sure that Ed ‸ has the full production schedule
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Absolutely. Yes, we don't want to wait
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October. ‸ We're ready to bring them in now. And these will be available, too, in alternate sizes. So if we have some seniors or individuals ‸ that are individual residents, if they would like a smaller size, there is a smaller size available. If there's residents that recycle quite a bit, there'll be a 96-gallon size available as well. The 64-gallon will be the default size. That's what everyone will get unless they request otherwise.
And you find
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sufficient for most households?
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Oh, yeah. I've been out to the recycle center and it's unbelievable. It's super high-tech.
Yes. Thank you. We're very proud of that ‸ facility.
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In the hard hat there? Yes.
I have my other pictures in front of a bunch of beer cans.
That's right.
I think they were worth
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That's right. They are. That's
right.
It
was a setup.
All right. Okay, thank you. Thanks for the presentation.
Thank you very much.
We're going to get moving on now. Speakers.
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Either one. Either one. Pick your poison.
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Mayor, council, good evening.
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I
live at [address]. I'm here tonight to suggest and recommend that the council direct staffed to go out with an RFP for your garbage contract.
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when they went out with their RFP. I'm now retired. So, um,
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that contract had not been let out for bid since the 80s. To me, that is poor stewardship. We found that the competition of the bidding process, was a win-win situation for the citizens and for the county.
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localities who,
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‸ in any detail. I do know that in our Brevard County contract, there are certain provisions in there that the contractor has to comply with. If not, they're subject to fines, such as oil and hydraulic fluid over on our driveways. I've observed the driver pulling both carts out of our condo complex, garbage cart, and the cardboard recycling cart, and taking a bag of garbage out of the garbage cart and putting it in
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recycling cart
So he can dump the entire contents into his garbage truck. I strongly recommend, and in order to keep everything transparent for the citizens
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that the council direct staff to put the contract out for bid. unless you go out for bid, how do you know you're getting the best price? It's a worthwhile process, and it is good stewardship. Thank you.
Mayor, thank you. Thanks for your input. Platt Loftus.
Good evening. Platt Loftus,
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I'd like to congratulate waste management on a fine presentation. I have just a few points that kind of relate to today. ‸ We reviewed the 2015 waste management report that's in the agenda package, and ‸ I'm not here to be negative. I'm just here to speak as a matter of fact, and I'm reading off what was printed. When we reviewed this report, Bob Hires and I behind me kind of had the ‸ consensus that it was more or less graded out as a C, maybe a C+. ‸ So with that being said, let me just read,
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the whole thing, just a few things that I'd like to bring to your attention. These concerns, and this is under a number of complaints, these concerns stem from dealing with Waste Management's customer service directly. This has been an issue with the residents for the past two years and does not seem to be improving. ‸ Residents keep calling the number, the waste management number, numerous times, and
they're
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being told that there's no record of previous calls.
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also being told it will be weeks before yard waste can be picked up.
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It looks as though
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about missed pickups of entire neighborhoods, green waste piles that are lingering long,
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Again, I'm not being negative, I'm just stating facts. The point that I'm trying to make tonight is that if this contract were to go out to bid, the Brevard County contracts that we hold have nothing but a very good to superior rating. Not once have we had to go ‸ to council to apologize, to give improvement programs. We currently have enjoyed since 2009 an exceptional level of service. So, with that being said, I think it's safe to say that we support option three and we just respectfully request that you consider this.
has
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been over 30 years,
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since there has been an RFP. And to correct the presentation, most recently in Cocoa Beach, Waste Pro was a low bidder. So, with that being said, one last thing, there was an economic development update breakfast last Friday that I attended. Very good, open-minded presentation, but the main theme was look outside the box, consider other local resources. You have one right here in your backyard. That's all I have to say. Thank you.
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before you go. Sure. What communities in Brevard do you ‸ service?
Well, beside the three military bases, which we've serviced since 2000,
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Melbourne Beach, Melbourne Village,
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And all of those have been since 2009 through today. And we've had consistent service with them since day one. Some of our elected officials that we've talked to said they expected to drop off in service as the years have gone on. Almost to a commissioner or a council member, it's ‸ been very positive since day one.
Okay. Thank you.
Any other questions? No. Okay. Thank you for your time.
Thanks.
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Tom, how you doing? Good evening. Good evening, Mayor. Good evening, Council.
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I just
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to take this opportunity to speak on behalf of the company that I'm proud to work for and the gentlemen in
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back that are here in support of the company that they're proud to work for. Waste Management has a motto on the side of the trucks. It says, Think Green. That motto breaks down.
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to the community and the environment.
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And when I started working for Waste Management, I started out right here
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Over the last three years, a transition's taking place. Waste Management invested in a lot of new technology, a lot of new trucks, so it's been a process.
And
through that process, I think there's been success from the customer service side, from our side, and everybody's getting to be on the same page. I wish we could make everybody happy every day. That would be a perfect world. Not our world, but that would be a perfect world.
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work for and the integrity of my coworkers. When we go out here, before we leave every day, we have a meeting. All the drivers engage on things that are happening out there, on the routes, the everyday services,
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routes, safety,
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Two of the main things that we reinforce every day is teamwork and customer service. The more that we can work together, the better service we can provide you and the public.
I
think I can wrap this up in saying that if we have your vote and if we have the public support, then we can provide you that excellent service and waste management
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Thank you for coming and
speaking. All right. Bud Miller?
My name is Bud Miller and I live at [address]. I'm here just a citizen.
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I worked in aerospace ‸ manufacturing practically all my life. I worked on some fairly substantial contracts that I actually had to implement. I've had experience negotiating contracts and
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And I can tell you that the one thing that I learned is that competitive bidding of all these contracts pays dividends. And when we're talking about contracts like this, I think it's something that we certainly should consider because there's a lot of money at stake. and I think when people,
you
know, it's where the rubber meets the road is when you're willing to put down what you're going to do and what you're going to do it for. And I believe that's something that should be considered in a contract right now is that we consider seriously going out for a more competitive bid on this proposal. that's all I have to say.
Okay,
bud. Thanks for coming. Appreciate it. Ron Aldridge. Ron, how you doing?
Mayor of Council. Thanks for letting me speak.
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since 2004. Worked on a few campaigns and in the great state of Illinois, I was a township supervisor for a couple of terms in some large areas. The reason I'm here tonight is because Merritt, one of the residents in my building, called me and said that you were going to be talking about a contract proposal for waste management. And he said, the contract has been the same for about 30 years. I said, that's unbelievable. I can't believe that. I said, they don't put it out for bid? It hasn't been for 30 years. In my line of work of running a condo to try to keep costs down, I've
got
to do, I've got to put everything out for bid
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It's very tough to keep monthly living expenses down for a 40-unit building.
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‸ It's in the area that I like to shoot for to keep our resident monthly costs manageable. ‸ everything I do is to try to keep costs under inflation.
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It's tough. It is tough to keep expenses down. And when Merrick called me and told me that, ‸ I told a couple other people, I
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I don't believe it. You can't be running a contract as large as this and not have competitive bidding. I don't know how you manage your cost. Who's in charge of the cost?
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And I call with problems like our driveway is pretty well asphalted with oil from their trucks.
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They say, well, whoever I talk to, a name here, says that'll be taken care of when they bid the next contract. I said, well, good. ‸ My comment would be recorded and passed on to the council. Maybe, maybe not. But the thing that made me feel good is that when the lady says it would be part of the process when they bid the next contract. I understand that because that's one of the variables that have to happen when you look at a new provider.
That's, time's up.
Time's up. Yeah. Appreciate your time.
Thank you. Ron, thanks. Thanks for coming. Appreciate it.
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First of all, I'd like to say my name is Gilbert Bird, Mr. Blake. To the honorable mayor, Mr.
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Deputy mayor and distinguished councilman and women, a woman,
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and everybody here in this building tonight.
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I am a citizen
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come from literally a little something to, we've blown up on the map now. And I'd like to thank you guys from the council for bringing the entertainment to this downtown
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and now they've grown.
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And that's partly thanks to you guys. As a citizen
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always taught me that if it's not broken, don't try to fix it. However, times change and things have to evolve to get better with time.
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Business is growing. Everything is on the positive, up
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up. And the bid as far as the contract for the waste is good. It's good. But however, I want the councilman to think about this. I've heard people testify that for the last 30 years, waste waste has been having the contract. They've been doing a good job, I think. also, for the last 30 years, that's a testament to waste management and their managers and the business that they're doing.
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and you've been ‸ working for this company for 30 years, that means something from your point of view, right? That means you're doing a good job.
and
I'd only suggest that we continue to stay with waste management.
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I have to say. Thank you, guys.
Thank you for coming. Thank you.
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Bob Ayers?
Good evening, Mayor, distinguished council members, city staff, management. I live at [address]. I'm here with Waste Pro.
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I'm also on the board of directors
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I actually
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this contract 28 years ago under another company many years before we started Waste Pro. So that's kind of some of the history of why it's been so long is because there was no competition here for many, many years.
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Seven years ago, got our first contract with the city of Cape Canaveral. It's gone on from then since then. These bids have occurred. People have saved money. You've heard, I know for a fact, from the mayor and city council members of our cities we serve. They've told you we have excellent service. They told you
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improved when they switched to Waste Pro. The thing is also, I want to make some clarifications. As far as the most recent bid was the city of Cocoa Beach. It can be a little confusing when you saw the slide where you're looking at the numbers for residential service. Again, that's only a single part of it.
It
does not include commercial.
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What you have to look at is the overall package. Actually, one of our
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did an analysis of the overall Cocoa Beach, what they pay for service and what you would pay if you had the Cocoa Beach numbers.
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number bid that Cocoa Beach. To clarify what
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too, as far as the overall bid in Cocoa Beach,
you
have to look at that again. The spec sheet, the Excel spreadsheet provided by the city of Cocoa Beach showed that we were the low bidder on the overall spec sheet.
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from waste management. Probably some of
them
worked for us back when I ran waste management in this area many years ago.
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when we take over a contract, the first thing we do is offer the jobs to the existing people that are there. We don't want to displace people. We are also located in the county area of Cocoa on Range Road. We have a lot of Cocoa people that work for us.
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But I just wanted to ‸ bring some of these points to your attention. WastePro itself is the largest privately owned waste collection company in the southeast. We service over a million homes in Florida. Just to give you some size and perspective of the company. I hear my beep. So that's my information I'd
like
to give you tonight. I can answer questions if you have them.
Any
questions?
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Okay.
You had a card.
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Good evening. Council members, mayor, staff. For the record,
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Represent waste management. I'd like to clarify a few statements that were made here. Number one, I'd like to start out with ‸ Cocoa Beach. WastePro claiming that they were the cheapest is not true. I've got ‸ the city's spreadsheet that was done by their financial officer right here. The way that the bids come in, for all services, just not residential, just not for commercial, this included beach cleanup and the whole ball of wax. Our bid came in at
$1,442,915.
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So we were low overall bid. The other point that I want to make too, I ‸ respect Mr. Coswell. I worked with him for many years at the county. But I was intimately involved in that process. And I know what those numbers were. And I can tell you
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charging as a current service provider. We were charging. The rate was
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So the bid did come in higher. The other part of that too, we offered a material recovery facility here ‸ for Brevard County to support their recycling efforts. And why was that so important? That was a $14 million investment.
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is. There was no other hauler that made that same financial commitment that waste management made. And that has a huge impact right here
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the city of Cocoa. So when we're looking at nickels and dimes, we also need to look at the dollars and what that's going to cost. The other part is, bottom line, if we don't, if we don't do a good job in transferring volume from the landfill to the recycling center and divert as much volume as ‸ we possibly can, we're looking at
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in new landfill space. So we've got to take all that into consideration. Now,
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let's evaluate what your rates were 10 years ago. Your rates 10 years ago were around $8.50 a home. Today, they're at $11.01. That's 42 cents per service. Think about that. 42 cents per service. How much lower can you make that happen and still provide the same level of service? Thank you. Any questions? Any questions? I know I should be preaching.
George, thank you. That's how you really feel.
And I think, ‸ real fast, mister, you already spoke. I mean, in my view, you were up in the presentation. All right. Is that okay?
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Well,
you
really, yeah. Anthony? Yes, sir.
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Your preference?
Mr.
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was in the presentation before
the...
That was... Well, you kind of opened it up to public input. Okay. That was part of the presentation. Okay. I
mean,
I would give him... Come on up. ...one more opportunity. Okay.
Thank you for the opportunity. Sure.
I just wanted to clarify
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and what we put in place. Yeah. Name? Mr. Nelson.
I'm
sorry. My name is Mr. Nelson.
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I've been
with
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the company 19 years.
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I had the opportunity to come join this team here and also be a resident in Cocoa.
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So, gentlemen, half the team you see back there, we came with a plan.
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But, all due respect, the city was growing so fast. So, in order to provide good service, ‸ had to provide the tools to do the job. So, what me and my team did was put another route
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up the large piles five days a week. All right. Also, when drivers get to the customers, they don't have to call in. We leave a tag to communicate to the residents what's going on. That was the whole misunderstanding was. So, if I'm a resident and they leave my pile of yard waste, no one communicates to me. So, we leave a tag. ‸ In two or three days, that pile is picked up. And, as you see, in the last three months, greater improvement ‸ and it's sustained. So, we do have a process in place and it's working. Any questions?
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I just, ‸ you're right, we're growing. We're pretty heavy. Percentage-wise,
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cities in growth and, you know, you've
reacted.
So, you've got to adjust to
it. Yeah. Okay.
That's it. Thank you. And last, as we break a record tonight, I want to acknowledge Lawrence Sinclair for the third time. You broke a record, my friend.
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You should.
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Actually, listen, real quick, District 1, Town Hall meeting, October 20th, the rec center. Thank you. It was the first time I met Mr. Nelson and
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time, waste management showed up within 15 minutes of a call. In fact, a supervisor showed up to pick up some furniture and yard waste that was sitting on a back lot across the street from my house the evening before all of you distinguished people showed up. But that's only because I kind of let them know that you were coming.
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I mean, literally, it was piled as high as the house. It was out in the street. Waste management, Mr. Nelson, got a truck there. It was picked up within less than 12 hours from when I called to let
him
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know it was there.
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Recently, I've cleaned up 1054 Mitchell. Steve knows why. I was just telling Mr. Tonight, they actually picked up and there were two piles fence high of yard waste and tree limbs. They picked it up within one day. And I didn't have to call him.
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That man right there should be waste management's picker or hauler or driver of the year. That guy goes through Broadmoor Acres twice a week and does not leave a single piece of garbage, whether it's in the can or not, left on the side of that street. And I've even called waste management and told them that they needed to recognize that. So waste management has actually been doing a good job.
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we cleared her entire backyard. The yard waste at the tree limbs, the trunks, the palm
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were taller than Mr. Blake and I stacked on top of each other. They picked it up Monday morning.
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I tend to disagree. And as far as the customer service complaints, I haven't had one and I've got every email coming back asking for my input for their customer service quality.
Okay. Lars, thank you. There you go. That was the last card on this item.
John, Mr. City Manager. ‸ To summarize, Mr. Mayor, staff's request for direction is there's three options, as Ed alluded to. First is to renew the current contract at the existing rates and terms using the remaining renewal option available with the ultimate expiration date in September 2021. The second option is to renew the current contract with modification to the terms, however, with no extension of the time past the available five-year renewal term ending in September 2021.
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for bids and an award prior to the expiration of the current contract in September 2016. I'll put an asterisk on that.
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the recommendation from staff was to retain an independent consultant to evaluate the bids.
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‸ and ‸ evaluate those.
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RFP to evaluate ‸ everybody that wanted to submit and evaluate. So those are the options that are presented to council this evening.
Okay. Brendan? Tyler? Go ahead.
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Firstly, I know we've had waste management for many years, but I've rarely had a problem with them. When I do, I call them up and it gets fixed. So I don't really have a great problem with that whatsoever. I think they provide excellent service. On the other hand, many people are right. Sometimes you need to go out to bid on these things and see if you can get a better price. I don't think we will, but I think it's a ‸ consideration. So I'm just sitting here
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my little gears are just turning like you can't believe right now. And I'd like to hear what some ‸ other council members might have to say before we get to a vote.
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normally.
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speaking, but the floor is yours, ma'am.
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My only concern is
that,
you know, I have no concern with ‸ the service that we're getting from waste management. There have been some issues. They've been on top of cleaning them up. But I think some of our residents are right. I don't feel like not going out for bid for 30 years necessarily means we're doing the right thing by our citizens.
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I mean, really, 30 years without a competitive bid, Would we do that on anything else? I don't think so.
Mr. Blake. Point well taken. Ditto, ditto, ditto. My greatest concern right now is two things. If you do a wrong, you should give that individual the opportunity to make a wrong a right.
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And yes, sir, yes, ma'am, to be locked into one company for 30 years, that ‸ would absolutely raise the flag.
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Now, my greatest concern is two things. If I can do better, let's do better.
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just saying, sometimes the old one that, you know, that you can work with, also, But we have to be good stewards of the taxpayers' dollars. ‸ So, and I want to say one other thing. Clearly, you can see, and I'm not going to dodge this, but I do want to bring it to your attention. We have four individuals here currently right now.
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just to see, to give that swing vote, or it may go all four, or it may go
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Just something to ponder over. And
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‸ And clearly, everyone can see this, there's nothing overly bearing that will say yes, yes, yes, but then again, we want to be stewards of the taxpayers' dollars. So, I may ask you all just to see until that fifth person, if you all decide, it's up to you, to postpone this, postpone this, to make sure we have that fifth individual here, I think it will be feasible. If it's something that we must burn that issue tonight, then I'm ready to take a stand.
I think we should vote.
Okay, it's up to you all. I'm easy.
Do we know when? I mean, we don't know
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I would just add that the biggest challenge while September
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away, it's tomorrow.
Yes.
When you look at the process of bidding, one, securing the contractor to evaluate, you know, bids, and then subsequently having all the vendors put their bids in, evaluating them, committee, ‸ you know, and then bringing it back to council. So, there is time involved.
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You're right. It is tomorrow,
yeah. Yeah, a couple of other things, as the other council members were talking.
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What if we come
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It could happen. We'll
come back. We can do that.
Yeah, it'll come back around again. We can do that. I just wanted to bring
that point up that
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I thought he brought out a good point. The other point I thought of is that if you go to bid, even though it is proposed to use a consultant,
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still cause quite a bit of work for the staff. So, there's a cost involved in doing that as well.
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even think John could tell us what that is right now, but there still will be quite a bit of work for the staff to do. ‸ We have to, I think, put that in our little brains and let that cook a little bit too. All right.
That's it, sir.
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my concerns.
Thank you, Well, this might make it easier. Waste Management has done a great job and ‸ every company that's ‸ been here for any length of time probably ‸ has a few problems here and there. I don't consider ‸ five or six calls on green waste
is it you know
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tripping hard. ‸ I think that they've sharpened up their management and they're doing a great job. But, on the other hand, ‸ I work for the citizens of Cocoa and what you do ‸ is you work on their behalf and what I've gotten in emails and calls and then tonight, wherever that score was, was to ‸ really go out to bid. ‸ My gut says that and I'm hearing that. But also, again, waste management has done a great job. But I think in all fairness for the citizens of Cocoa to get maximum benefit, we need to go out to
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So, if ‸ anybody wants to make a motion,
I just want to say one more thing.
Go
ahead. One more, one more. I was keeping score. And from what I've gotten by emails and phone calls, I did not count anything that anybody from waste management said.
I
did not count anything anybody from waste pro said or anybody else, just citizens and business owners in the city. It was 13 for waste management and six for bid. That's what I got. You may have gotten something different.
Well, hopefully we'll
work
better. Yeah. We'll see. Sorry.
I'd like to make a motion that we take staff's option three.
What did you ‸ say, three?
Option three.
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Yeah, because I'm a computer.
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Okay. She moved three. I'm not going to second that. Right. You're waiting on me. Yeah, I ‸ was
waiting on Mr. Blake to get done reading.
I'm finished reading. Thank you.
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Okay. So
no second motion ‸ died for
lack of a second
for lack of a second and
anybody else? Well, my concern right now, sir, I just want to give our cohort the opportunity to come forward. That's what I'm saying. I think that could be the determining factor.
We just don't know how long it's going to be before he comes back.
Yes, ma'am. I concur with you. I think this is something that ‸ we can deal with in the first month. I think it will give us ample time because I don't know the severity of his situation right now, but I think it will give ample time to ‸ collaborate and communicate with all parties, with our city manager, our city attorney, and our constituents, and then we can make a determining factor, a determining decision based on that.
Okay, so we'll table this until we have
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fifth vote. Is that a motion?
Yes, sir, I make a motion to table this particular item for the first meeting in February.
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collection, solid waste, recycled materials.
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Okay, all in favor? Aye. Any opposed? No. Okay.
Thank you, sir. Thank you. And of course then if we find out that
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take a
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So move. Meeting that means that's exciting. The meeting that means that's
exciting. Can, Matt, they're going to give me my computer
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It was universal. It was just not
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everybody
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People got lucky that there's you know
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you're on
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memorandum.
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I'm sorry.
I'm
sorry.
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City business.
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one.
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here. Okay, so you're right here.
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right?
Yes
sir.
Thank you sir.
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Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Hey, how's
it going? Hang on there.
This is a break, yeah. Right. One more renewal.
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at work it's hard for me to make it. I can probably do it. Yeah.
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term
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term
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Saturday
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but in a few weeks is that okay?
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any chance to read your
comments from your office
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computer
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for me it would
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like a 12-30 time.
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or something.
Oh yeah.
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Yeah. That's fine.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And
an email. Sure.
Yeah. Yeah.
I never give up coffee. Love coffee.
That's good. Thank you. Yeah.
All set. Yeah. Appreciate it.
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in
terms of
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and
it is
the
winding point
at a
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no no
no
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next
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I like that.
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Yeah, thank you.
That's
pretty
good.
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No.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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We have other
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Not as real
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You can
have multiple
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This
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have
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Yes Yes That's by the fact that It's ‸ It is ‸ It
is
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‸ You're a tough For getting it out
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Hit the button
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like Sometimes Unless Jack
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When Jack
gets a presentation
The
room is
packed
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Oh my god It's ‸ It's compelling
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presentation
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Yeah He does
like a little
52 slide presentation
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Basically
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And
Everybody who sees it
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time in prison Is obviously innocent Yes ‸ We all have to
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And so
Hundreds
of thousands of people Signed the petition I
mean I would miss
that
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everything was done I mean The defense supported it So
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going out like This guy's innocent And it's like
So
it's like
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‸ People
are
I mean Just getting involved In the whole legal process
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We're ready
We're
gonna
‸ resume
It's like people Come
on The jury That's the constitutional right
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Thanks
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five minutes?
Go away people Go away
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Welcome back Here we go
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Jack
Yes sir Thank you mayor Item 8.1 Under city business Approved participation In a cooperative purchase agreement With the county of Los Angeles California
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I'm here to answer your questions This is basically to upgrade LED lighting in the water field operations building Right So
move
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Mr. Mayor
Second All in favor Aye Any opposed Okay And we go to number 2
Yes mayor Yes
mayor This
is for purchase of approving a budget transfer for the purchase of three utility trucks that were originally budgeted and approved last fiscal year The truck cutoff date passed and we had to rebudget for this year and
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sewer What
kind of trucks
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I'm
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Ford
Oh okay Thank you sir
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Motion to approve Second All in favor Aye Any opposed
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Thank
you
Chair
Yes This item is asking council to approve a resolution adjusting the FY16 budget to transfer funds from contingency to cover professional services related to an audit performed by the Florida retirement system and I'm here to answer questions
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lot of choice on we're going to have to pay the suckers no matter what
It was quite complicated sir and the outside professional assistance helped us get through it quite seamlessly Excuse
me could you say that again please
It was quite complicated and the outside professional assistance helped us to get through it quite seamlessly
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refunded the applicable amount of money
Okay
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Motion to approve
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All in favor Aye Any opposed Okay
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Which is
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Okay
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just read it in by title only and I believe we might have some discussion on this
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regulating certain activities at Riverfront Park including the area of submerged lands dedicated
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for municipal park and recreational purposes amending section 14-11 of the city code related to mooring and docking of vessels at Riverfront Park
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severability and a retroactive effective date and this is first reading of this ordinance This ordinance was previously I think presented to the council on the agenda just for initial comments so we're at the first reading stage and ‸ Mr. Belden might have a short presentation regarding the ordinance
Yes just to just to summarize I just came before council previously with a just a draft of what we were proposing for comment This the intent of this ordinance is to replace we
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hours of mooring at Riverfront Park between the hours of 5 a.m. and 12 a.m. so it didn't really address everything that the construction Concerns we have in the in
the
village at this time so just to summarize kind of briefly some of the areas that we that we addressed in the new ordinance include providing
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restrictions on the length of time boats can dock at designated locations we provide designated docking locations for dinghy type boats
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they occupy much of the docking space and thereby they make it difficult for for other boaters visiting cocoa village to utilize some of that dock space We provide stricter enforcement of the docking and mooring regulations by the police department and code enforcement and allowing vessels
moored,
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occupied maintained or used in a manner contrary to the provisions of the proposed ordinance to be deemed unlawful in the public
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to be deemed unlawful in the public
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Further prohibits the docking or mooring of vessels that are deemed to be derelict or abandoned And prohibits docking or mooring of any vessel in the waterway or park which is in a deteriorated condition that is potentially to lie cause injury to a person or to a property
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feet in length
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the ordinance also provides any vessel more occupied or used in a manner contrary to the provisions of the ordinance
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and the city may immediately commence a lawful proceeding to abate the violation
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comments that he would like to provide some input on the ordinance as well
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Okay, Brad Is that the ambassador? Mr. Mayor? Yes, it is
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He lives in South Cocoa You
got to change that sir You got
to
change that Yep
Mr. Mayor, council members, officers, staff, good evening, thank you Thank you for letting me talk about this This is very exciting This document is great It addresses some concerns that we have Those of us that are in tune with what's going on at the waterfront
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detriment to us I'd like to take this opportunity to say thank you to Steve Belden for initially hearing me out and Being available and accessible and incorporating some of the input that I had as an end user I'm a lifelong boater I'm an
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I've been in the marine business I'm a licensed Coast Guard captain and Steve was nice enough to take my input seriously and incorporate some of these ideas. We know that Riverfront Park is a special place through referendum the citizens know that too They made it a special scenic and recreation landmark Which it deserves to be To preserve the scenic vista and the recreational amenities That park in conjunction with
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as a wonderful place Not only for the local citizens and ‸ you to be used as an effort to draw the citizens back into reconnecting with the river But also for attracting tourists and traffic passing by on the ICW to come in Which gets us to the point of it's also about commerce economic development and tourism And as a member of the historic cocoa village association that is what I would like to address at this point We know from interviewing cruisers both here and on other others at other cities on the ICW that
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Some people think absolutely think it's absolutely wonderful many think that they are hesitant to come here
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it has an appearance and a reputation that is perceived lawlessness that nobody cares because of derelict vessels
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of possibility of theft or being run into by a vessel that's dragging anchor These are things that absolutely hurt us you can go anywhere and hear people talk about cocoa and say those things What a shame for what a wonderful place we have So with this great ordinance that we've got here I have gone through this and we have come up with about 30 different areas that are questions comments suggestions and a few specific requests I'm going to talk about a few of those just on the high level here And I will distribute these afterwards for your reading pleasure
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that we would like to address in this there's a little bit of confusion and possible ambiguity with some of the terminology that's used
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to be cleared up a little bit because
there are
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places where specificity is needed But they there is not a clear meaning and it has implications as to what ‸ the intention is That's one item Another would be for the use of the waterway There's an item in there and we want to make sure that there's no restriction for an eight-hour anchoring for people that are legitimate in the park for ‸ legitimate ICW
cruiser.
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Somebody should be able to come and anchor in our area and not have an eight-hour limit There's also as it's written there appears to be it's unlawful to cook or sleep aboard a boat if you've been there more than eight hours
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Use of the T-Doc There's a restriction for running a generator Most of these cruising boats are self-contained and generators are an important part of keeping their operation going for air conditioning heating battery charging cooking Running small appliances If the noise is the problem, let's put a decibel limit on it like the state does for boat motors But not just do a blanket you can't run your generator We've made a tremendous improvement.
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The dock limit is now proposed at eight hours We would like to propose that a cruising boat coming in Eight hours is a whole lot better than three But if you're talking about needing to rent a car or get on a bus and go do provisioning Go to a medical clinic, whatever
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the dock would be even a preference Eight hours is not bad for the local day boater For a cruising boat, perhaps a designated area, whatever Where if you're a cruising boat you can stay more than eight hours is ‸ highly desirable And in particular Here comes the punchline We don't offer fuel We have a bad reputation What can we do to bring people in to spend their money and spend their time and create a solid impression? How about offering one of the handful of cities and we would not be alone in Florida on the East Coast That offers free overnight docking for a night or two We have the facility. It's not over capacity I suggest that we evaluate that pros and cons and look at it seriously and consider doing that as a offering to get people to come here I think that would work That is it for me And at this point I will say if you have any questions I'd be glad to entertain them More importantly as this is reviewed I would be more than happy, willing, able and available to work with the city to expound on any of the things that I have either mentioned this evening or are in this write-up We went from six pages to ‸ nine in my version So there's definitely room for discussion and input and I would be more than happy to be involved in that process If you're so inclined to request me to do so Any questions?
Mr. Blake Yes, sir. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. First of all, Brad,
I
want to say thank you for your commitment for ‸ Marina coastal area that speaks volumes
Yes, sir.
My greatest concern is a couple of things you highlighted on several things ‸ The similarities potentially for this ordinance and I think we can tweak them as time progress
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My thing is how similar will this ordinance be to other local marinas? Do you think throughout your years of doing
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I've looked into that a little bit I thought, you know, just how close is this to what that what else is there? I have not done any serious research.
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St. Augustine's one of the pilot programs for a mooring field And looked at their verbiage of how they do things There are similarities. There's places where it's a little bit different, but we're on the right track here. We're absolutely on the right track And especially if we look at this as a measure for now that is a living document that could be amended as our facilities Change or improve or we gain experience and go forward incorporating items from the master waterfront plan of 2008 And
the reason why I'm asking that question sir,
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I utilize Leewanna Park a lot. I'm happy to say so we bring the family we come in We eat at the local in the restaurants in the immediate area Also the thing when when I took my family out they saw those two derelict boats there on the side right there And my thing is trying to get them off the banks just like everyone else I know there's an issue potentially leading up to patrol Leakage of petroleum into the waterway, but the question that I'm saying I want to be proactive and as time changes we will adapt I do thank you for your commitment and dedication sir When I'm bringing in my yacht, my yacht, golly, my pontoon boat It is an oversized Redneck yacht
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A lot of those
dinghy
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boats are there on the side of the dock And
they start
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to navigate Yes
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sometimes when the waves are coming in and crashing in you get that crosswind It could be challenging.
Totally. Yes, sir. ‸ Thank you.
Thank you.
One other thing before I go In our FYI Second to the last page
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This is a great article Captured the essence of what went on What a positive experience it was And this is what I'm talking about about
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cities and they all said we were the best so well done Coco We
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that Thank you, Mr. Mayor
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may
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What we're going to do about the committee, we're going
to
tweak the 12 hour time and all that You can
pass the first reading and Steve, the attorney, Mr. Whitmore And the community can, you know, we can modify it because it's been properly advertised and you've
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come back for a second reading and At that ‸ time you'd present the modifications would be presented and it would Okay It would be open for public hearing again and then subsequent adoption
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Super attorney, that's good
Oh, yeah, that's fine. I
mean
I received the comments late this afternoon I scanned over them. There's some good points in there that I want to take an opportunity to Address with staff and perhaps yourself I'd love to
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second reading to try to improve on On the ordinance without a problem
Okay It's an excellent work. I have to say I'm truly excited and pleased and just delighted to see that it's moving in this direction So thank you for your excellent work Thank you everyone
I enjoy tanning my buns in the Florida sun
You're
doing a good
job, bro
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What
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that one, but okay
TMI,
TMI
Oh, and you always
At any rate
I'm sorry, sir
Yeah
I need some more Mountain
Dew I had a couple of questions and they were just answered, so This is why we have Brad
For this, the current stuff
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I was going to ask exactly what John just said So he just laid it out and this is how we,
it's
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how we do it because I didn't feel like this thing was
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but we'll get it ready by second reading, okay Even when the, uh
It's an intense read, so make sure
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pages to nine
Even when we went to referendum and
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‸ entity,
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was a big deal,
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was really the start of it, this is ‸ continuing, everybody knows where we're going
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Right ‸ Okay, you want to take action?
Yes, sir Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to reflect this ordinance in regards of, approve the
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mooring docking vessels
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Second All
in favor? Aye Any opposed?
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Very
good, I have one card on this item
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article 11 related to street closures at special events, providing for the repeal of prior and consistent ordinances and resolutions, incorporation into the
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Okay, yes,
just to give some background on this ordinance, on March 13,
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among the changes included in the ordinance provided for a limitation on the number of street closures approved by council in the calendar year of 24.
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Additionally, the current ordinance does not distinguish between single day and multi-day, uh, street closure events.
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portion of the day are less of an impact on, than long term multi-day street closures, uh, which have a far more significant effect on the local businesses. Uh, basically, so to propose ‸ amendment to, uh, to the ordinance addresses both ‸ these situations, the new ordinance provides that, uh,
the
limitation on the number of street closures in a calendar year is only applies to requests within the CBD of the city. Uh, any street closure requests outside of the, uh, CBD area would not count towards the maximum limitation. Uh, furthermore, the, uh, there was now an additional limitation on street closures in the CBD, uh, in the CBD that are multi-day events or multi-day closures. Uh, as stated previously, these have a higher impact on
the city.
Uh,
as stated, uh, uh, the
local merchants. So what we're proposing is to limit the number of multi-day street closures to 10, and the total number of,
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in the CBD area.
Uh,
10 of those could be, uh, multi-day type street closures. Uh, the ordinance also recognizes that certain street closures would have minimal impact on the community and therefore do not rise to the level of requiring council approval. Uh, temporary stoppage of traffic, uh, without rerouting vehicles and street closures that are not located in the CBD and located on local roads could be approved by the city manager, uh, as part of a special event application. Uh, with that, I'll return back to mayor and council and be happy to answer questions.
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Uh, realizing this is
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first reading, I have a couple of problems with this thing. Number one,
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from 12 to 10. And I think they ought to go back to exact, to keep them exactly what they are right now, maximum of 24 and, and 12. Uh,
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is that we're going to be able to go back to the city manager.
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Absolutely none.
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to the city manager
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And I think it behooves us to do our job to say that all street closures ought to be approved by council period. End of story. That's my two cents worth.
John, here's a little, uh, history lesson on why we limit them.
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And I know that they, the one item that Steve had mentioned that would provide some little bit greater ‸ administrative flexibility with the city manager approving was only those circumstances where,
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Like the other, for instance, the Cocoa Village Playhouse, there was a film crew that came to do filming and they had to close like one lane of the, uh, of the Brevard Avenue. And we brought that before. And then they contacted us and they said, ‸ wait,
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got to come back and we need to ref reshoot one scene, but they did it early enough. There was no impact to the village. So we,
we,
you know, well, council approved that previously. We kind of made that, you know, it was, it was a liberal interpretation because it extended
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the original date, but,
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very de minimis type of impact where it's not going to interfere with the economic, you know, vitality
of the city.
And the operations businesses within Cocoa Village. I think that's the only reason why Steve was looking and proposed the, the, the potential for the city manager to approve those lighter ones, but all major street closures would still come back to council.
Even if they were minor, I think they ought to come to us. You can always just pull us and find out what ‸ we want to do with it.
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Nancy has a card.
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And I'm actually speaking for Emma, who couldn't be here tonight. So these are her thoughts about this. Um, with the way the ordinance is written now, streets could be closed any number of days on one street closure. So with 20 street closures, the village could essentially be shut down for 20 weekends a year, almost two times a month.
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Suggestion. Make the number, the total number of days that the street can be closed a year. So if there are 24 street closings, for example, that would be 24 days, not 24 weekends or 24 three day weekends. So each closure is a day and that would save having to tally how many are weekends, how many are singles, how many are just a few hours. Okay. That's
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suggestion. Number one. Number two is, and this is something that Steve has already spoken to redefine street closures to be as a closure that significantly impacts the flow of traffic and downtown businesses.
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So that if someone needed to say close the Porsche house loop for an event, that wouldn't count. And I think that's the intention that Steve explained. Um, those were her thoughts. And she, I may be, am superfluous since it may have been covered already, but I felt tasked to present because I answer to this child.
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All right. Um, Mr. Blake. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
Here's my greatest concern. A couple of things here that I'm concerned about. One, um, we are held by standards of the citizens that elect us to uphold and make decisions for them. Um, my greatest concern is if the merchants that may disapprove of this, is it
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Because as I teach my students,
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in the tradition. Um, if you surrender your rights, sometimes it's hard to ascertain your rights back. So I think it's important that we still continue to keep that line of communication. If they ‸ have a unique situation that requires an additional day or early morning, well, it will not have an immediate traffic.
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Then I think we should support it. And what I mean by support it, let it come back to council. If you do a telephone call, I think that works well. Normally we trust your decision. It's been good. So far, Mr. City Manager, but my greatest concern is making sure that we still continue to hold the reins in our hand and that it will continue to come before council.
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on
the
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be on the phone all the time because there's always, I mean, to me, the streets closed when you go down Brevard Avenue and the UPS is truck, truck is parked there for 30 minutes. That's a street closure.
because
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when lanes closed, you know, not officially by the city, but there's still a lane that's impassable. But yeah, I, I do have a problem with, you know, the weekends, the days, it's kind of confusing. A street closure should be a day, you know?
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Three day event, three street closures, um, events in the park that don't really close the street. Um, you ‸ know,
zero street closures.
Zero street closures. So we have plenty of events that don't require street closure. There's events that closed, you know, just that little section of Harrison, like the stuff that the village idiot does or whatever. You know, to me, that's a street closure because that has a serious impact with people crossing the bridge and, you know, coming into the downtown. So I guess it's, to me, it's more defined what a street closure actually is. But I, I don't see any reason to change, you know, the dates. I agree that the street closures that we really need to be talking about are the ones in the village. Somebody wants to close down, you know, a street in their neighborhood to have a block party. That shouldn't, this ordinance should not apply to that.
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So,
um,
I don't see that we're that far off on what it is we think we need to do. I don't see any reason why we can't pass it on first reading and, and tweak it between now and then like we're doing the other one.
As long as the staff has got a good, uh,
handle
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on what we just said, I think you're right.
Yeah. I mean, I think they're headed in the right direction. I mean, they're, what they're trying to accomplish, I think, is, is what we're looking
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We just don't necessarily agree on all the little minute details.
My, my other concern, if I may say this, please. We alluded to ‸ earlier tonight about in reference of what the economic development, guest speaker denoted about closing the park, right?
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you want to call it. It's still,
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it's an American thing and that's what I love about it. And I think if we have to close that small stretch to think outside of the box, I'm in favor of it. If it's going to promote the, the village and the merchants, I think it's a great idea to think outside of the box. Especially when you have everyone's cooperation. I understand.
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So I just think we need to do a better job of defining what a street closure is.
I think you're right.
And, and take it to a street closure being an individual day, not a weekend or a, you know.
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Keep
it simple.
Some number of days, I don't probably have to change from 2024 to something else. But every day counts, you know. As a street closure, right?
So just, just to get clarification. So we're going to, we'll come up with a maximum number of days where there could be a closure. And whether that particular event is one day, two days, three days, each day would count.
As a closure. As
a closure. So if we're saying, just pick a number, 40 days, then I have a, ‸ that, I have an event that's three days. There's, that's deducting three days from that event and so forth.
So
whatever number we come up with.
That's what Emma was proposing, right? Yeah. Which sounds like a reasonable way to count it to me. It's
just simpler math. Yeah. It's cleaner. No
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Common core, yeah. But
outside of the.
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go with that. ‸ City manager can approve that. Done.
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the start.
And in a way we've, we've, the language we've used there would just pertain to the local roads. So if there's a closure on a major highway or road, it would still come to council. It would only be on the local roads.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Where it would be the city manager. Just, you know, a small closure on a side street. Church. Exactly.
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Yeah. Some of this came back because John and I were at a funeral about three months ago.
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That's the one that. Right. Perfect example. Perfect example. And
trying to rush through.
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And so we were talking about we
need
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But I think if you do that, that affects less people. Anything that
happens down here in the central business district affects a lot of people. And I think we need to keep that responsibility.
Yeah.
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‸ You got it? Well, I'll make a
motion that we approve
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changes to the second.
I'll second that. Okay.
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All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? All right. Good.
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for everybody. If we don't do these type of shifting gears as we go, this might not come back for a long time. All right. Community Services Director.
Yes, sir. This is a request to authorize the city manager to enter a contract for purchase and sale of two parcels of our
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the southwestern corner of the intersection of
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FY16 budget.
‸ Actually, there's a correction there. We need to, I think you did the contract for purchase.
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Not the contract for purchase.
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information is the same for both items, I'd just like to present it at one time. Okay.
And
then you can have questions either related. Would that make sense?
Makes sense to me. You have my vote of approval. Say it again.
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interrelated. So I'd like to present, you know, in addition to what Steve provided, you know, present one time. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. Okay.
And we have one card.
Yes. Okay. Item number six. First and foremost is the memorandum of understanding between where the city would purchase and subsequently
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redevelopment.
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city, bounded on the east by Florida Avenue, and to the north, Roselle Jones, with a small portion extending west to US 1. I should note there is a potential issue.
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within
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doesn't prohibit the city from acquiring that property overall, but it does affect potential
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expend funds only for those redevelopment purposes within their redevelopment area.
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if an amendment to the MOU would be required, it would be represented to the city and to the CRA so we can make sure that we're staying compliant,
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compliant, then the city knows what it's ‸ getting into. It should be noted that the city did perform the following due diligence.
We
did our
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Through our Brownfields grant, we did the phase one environmental site assessment as well as an asbestos survey. There are recognized environmental conditions on the property
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large measured off-site impacts, potential off-site impacts, just ‸ based on past historical uses. And
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property, which would require, no different than with the former City Hall, a wet demolition to contain the particles of asbestos. However, we would further, you know, after the acquisition of the property, do a more comprehensive ‸ environmental site assessment, you know, phase two, you know, that really gets into it because as we prep it for we or
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you want to be able to while the city doesn't ‸ want to step in and be a developer, we can our position is that we can be a pre-developer, get the property ready, serve it up on a platter for somebody to come in and develop the property. We can set the conditions and all that. There was an appraisal done on the property. The appraisal did come in at $600,000. It is important to note that the appraisal did not consider the contributions of the billboards within the valuation of the property because they did not have the information as it related to the billboards. The asking price is $800,000. That's what the sellers are requesting. The future use or rather the reuse or the redevelopment of the property is the intended purpose and the property specifically should be noted, specifically contemplated for redevelopment with a higher density and greater economic use and more compatible and beneficial land use in the Waterfront Master Plan Section E, Number 1.
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They pose a lot of problems. And it's very difficult ‸ for a community to, for lack of a better word, get rid of them because ‸ they are cash cows. You know, just some simple calculation. You know,
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‸ There's two trailers out there right now. So the use is still active. But you could
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And if I think in Florida, the average lot rental for a mobile home park
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conservative, maybe it's a little bit less.
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That's why it's very difficult to change, to advance reuse planning and redevelopment of a mobile home park. So when and I say that in the context because, one, typically there's a greater demand for services based on our ‸ own, just in our own city. But we know this, you know, outside of our city. ‸ When you look at mobile home parks, just from ‸ public safety, code enforcement, they just present a whole different array of challenges with the transient nature of the populations that reside within mobile home parks. So ‸ the ability to capitalize, acquire, and set the table for redevelopment, you know, that's more in
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the village area as described in the Waterfront Master Plan, I think is a valid public reason and purpose for which the city should entertain
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and then subsequently approving the contract for purchase. Just from a redevelopment perspective so we understand, well, what could possibly go on there? First, zoning says there's you know, you get about eight stories.
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At 25 units per acre, you can get anywhere between 108
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You could use that to get greater density. 121 units is actually the max that you could put on there. And then you could also have the commercial opportunities. And while
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there's clearly opportunities, especially with the Complete Street Project, and then the fact that along the Florida Avenue you have commercial on the west side
or
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So there's clearly an opportunity to have a commercial component along with a residential component of about 120 units. So I would offer that up as ‸ one of the reasons. And then the final thing I would add to city council, as it relates to the contract for sale, we did receive a copy of the survey today, and there's a little bit of a I mentioned earlier an issue whether ‸ that one small piece of property that has the two billboards on it is located in Rockledge, is it located in the city of Cocoa.
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So we're just we need to firm that up because it could affect it. But based on
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review with the purchasers and the revelation of that issue, the contract for sale may require certain technical revisions, revisions that would not be material to the overall purchase, such as any change that would alter the price, you know,
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They would any conditions that would affect the purchase would need to be approved by the city manager and city attorney. So we would, you know, at the appropriate item number seven, we'd be amending that to
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purchase and sale for two parcels. It would be subject to technical amendments approved by the city manager or city attorney. So with that, I will open it up for questions from council, and I think you also
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I think I provided a sufficient background in where we are today and where we could be tomorrow.
That's
right. Mr. Blake.
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Sir, my greatest concern is that area is improving the potentially cosmetic view of that area.
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We need to be proactive, thinking outside of the box, how we can develop that into a pleasing and refreshing area that we will have a continuity heading from the south to the central to the north end of the village. And it has a nice flow,
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And I'm in favor of this, and I would support this,
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Jones. That's my motion, Mr. Mayor.
Okay. Is there a second?
Were we going to let the public speak first? Oh,
we have any idea. I forgot about that.
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I'll second for discussion in the public speak. Thank you,
ma'am.
Anybody from the public like to speak on this issue? Or what is it? Agenda item? Yes?
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Well,
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you
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That's correct.
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25 units. It would be...
So
if you... I guess for a tiny house, those would be...
25 tiny houses?
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women
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units per acre.
And
there's... Oh!
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and roughly a little more than a half acre for the smaller parcel. So you could get up to about 121 units.
Okay.
That's absent any other land acquisition, and there are other parcels that
are
in ‸ close proximity to this.
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This is really another...
battle
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we in discussion?
‸ We
did...
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I'm just
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Mr. Blake a hard time.
The way I look at this thing
is...
I hate paying more than appraised value for the damn thing. That just really bugs me to no end.
But
if you try to be a visionary and look down the road a little bit, I think it's a worthwhile thing to do.
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to do, so I'm going to be for it. Okay.
Okay. And before we vote, I just want to say that it's ‸ taking a huge blighted area in my lifetime, in Mike's lifetime,
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Brenda's. Most of Brenda's, right? Oh, yeah. Most of my life. We did a lot of crime work in there. I know the PD has over the years when
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It was a blight. It
was a blight. And
now we look at it strategically
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in the near future. really cool places, probably, that a lot of folks are going to want to move into because they're moving in to Cocoa. And ‸ it's going to pull diagonally to the south.
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There's, if not,
we'll
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a
few years, we'll look at doing Rosa Jones over. So guess what?
you
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got a total street on Florida, total street on Rosa Jones, and then everything in between El Charro's and across the street subject property will fill in. So you double the size of your downtown. And guess what? We're back at where
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these interior units were being planned, and then we had a crash. Now we're right back to people who want to move back in here. So ‸ this is a steel deal in my mind. And again, for the record, my development company back in 2004, it was after I built Riverside Landing, we made a move to buy that, and
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they didn't sell it.
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value for the citizens of Cocoa, ‸ it's there in my mind. So, okay, I'm ready. Yes, sir.
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Okay. All in favor? Aye.
Any opposed? Okay. Just for the record, ‸ can we clarify, is that for the MOU? Yes. And then, should we ‸ make a second?
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Yes.
Since you said we're combining them both...
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I just assumed the motion was for both.
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Okay. Okay. My motion was for both. So
my second was for
both.
That was my
understanding when I
voted.
That's right.
Super attorney, is that legal?
That's legal if you all agree on what the
motion was to approve both. Yes. All right. Well, I didn't... That's what I was
voting on, that he said both.
I voted singly. But I intend to vote both, obviously. Is that okay? Yeah. Okay. You're all in agreement. We're in agreement. All right. That's future. Future stuff.
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Terry? Yes, sir.
This item is for asking council to approve a resolution authorizing a 39-cent fire assessment refund to residential property owners for the annual fire assessment imposed by the city for fiscal year 2016. I'm here to answer questions.
Motion to approve.
Second. All in favor?
Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay.
I think we all got briefed on that one, so...
Can I just ‸ say keep my 39 cents? Can I do that? No, you got to... Well, we're going
to
provide a credit. ‸ Next year's bill with interest.
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All right. Thank you. That's good.
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for 39-cent will probably drive the public crazy. Yeah.
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Okay. Anybody in the audience from the advisory board or committee that would like to speak? No? Okay.
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Ed, you're up.
No report, sir. Next.
Chair?
No report.
Chief?
No report, sir.
All right,
chief. I guess I'll break that trend. Okay. Just want to let you know that tomorrow at the
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we'll have two of our firefighters honored, one for Firefighter of
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Year and one for Company Officer of the Year. And once they receive those awards,
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Wow. Sir?
That's good. Good.
I'll let you know. Thank you.
‸ Please do. Thank you. Steve?
Yes, sir.
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Hey!
Hey! Welcome.
She started on December 28th, and she's jumping right into things, and we're very excited and happy to have her board.
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That's it.
Thank you. Jack?
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you an update on the blood drives. We had our blood drive this week and had 10 donors, and so now we're doing it every other month. Because of the time period, you have to wait to donate blood. It's 57 days, so we were going to try to do it monthly, but now it's every other month.
I got an announcement, too. I gave blood the other
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‸ however they found it, and they give me credit for it.
I
got 120, which is 14 gallons. So, hey, whole blood. I've been
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since 81. How much blood is in a body, anyway? I don't know.
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That would help. ‸ I got you, ma'am.
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Chief? Chief? How much blood is in a body?
I thought it was seven.
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I
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Five? Oh, wow.
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That
goes out pretty quick. All right, come on. So
we gotta
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I'm glad
none of you are
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Yeah.
What controversy have
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John's doing it. Okay.
So, um... Super attorney Garganese? I have no report.
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God bless you. John, you can report that as you're looking.
Yes, sir. Great.
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I
just want to thank council, thank and especially thank staff.
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And everybody in general pitched in, you know, in terms of getting the event done and having the all-day activities with the annual Economic Development Breakfast. It's really evolved into more than that.
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other organizations that participated and brought people out and our partners. Uh, it was really, I thought, an excellent, you know, uh, event and we really appreciate it. So,
um,
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Well, Jack, you were half right. The
key is ‸ right. The key is the average. Average.
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You got them all. That's funny.
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That's it. Okay, Matt.
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No report.
Wow.
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Oh, oh, yes.
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No, this will be quick. If ‸ council recalls, ‸ the city was presented a list of concerns, you know, through Parks and Rec and through Cocoa Little League highlighting some of the concerns with the, uh, over at the, uh, where the Cocoa Little League plays. Well, they took it upon themselves and they already did the batting
cages
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But they'd like to, for the, the city, while we appropriated $45,000, they did it for far less. That was the amount that the county had indicated that they thought it would cost.
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But they would like to see if we would still be willing to, uh, help them with their, you know, ‸ some fencing as well as
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throwing lanes, which is a total of about, I want to
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And then we'll be happy as a pig in mud. All right. So if you're okay with that, we'll, we'll work on the agreement so we can get it done.
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Brenda?
And, uh.
I'm fine with it. Okay. We'll move forward with that.
Okay.
I guess
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Um,
okay. Anthony, okay. So
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First of all, I want to say we had a wonderful time at the Christmas parade. Uh, we should have won the best float there,
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We'll take a close second. So to also, we attended the Terry Black Magic Show. You recall? Yeah. And we were, all three of us, four of us were judges. So we had a wonderful time there. ‸ I want to say congrats to Principal Wilson. The mayor and city manager and staff was there. Council members were there too as well. So I want to say thanks for that. Congrats being the ‸ community school. Also, um, Mr.
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sir. Just quickly, just want to refresh your memory. I know you're addressing it, but I promised him that I would tell you about the south end of Brevard Avenue.
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If we can have that signage put up. Yes, sir. Or whomever. Yeah,
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to make sure I understand, ‸ I was out there, and I believe it's the continuation of Brevard, right, continuation south of the circle.
Yes, sir.
Okay. Yes.
Yes, sir. We're talking about the same thing. I want to say great job to city manager and staff for the economic breakfast development. Heck of a speaker. Unfortunately, I did, was able to say some of the time, but not all of the time, but it was,
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and I was glad to see that. Coming from the Space Coast League of Cities, there's a resolution that was presented to the gas hike by letting them, uh, the newspaper reported one thing.
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cities presented one thing, and it was kind of opposite of what the newspaper reported. So, we are going to have our newly elected President, um, ‸ Stuart Glass, go back and
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And then we're talking about that gas hike and try to see potentially if
they
could use some of that CRA ‸ road money. There's a statute that says you can't put it at the tail end of the fiscal year. If there's any funds that's left over,
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But we're asking for us to make sure that we're aware of that. And also, there was
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completed in reference of the, uh,
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and other issues that's important to our state legislatures.
Yes, sir. As Holly sends them out from the
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to the appropriate party, and we get the surveys completed.
Okay. Thank you very much. And then also, you may have a, I'm sure you will get one from Sheila Donahue ‸ from the Space Coast League of the Cities.
Thank
you. Thank you very much. Great job. Buy local. Spend local. Keep it local.
All right.
Very good. Mr. Furbish.
Uh, unfortunately, I got a few things here tonight since we've had two short months of November and December where we didn't meet twice.
Uh, Florida
First Responder Week, uh, was last week. And so I'd like to, uh, make sure we thank all of our first responders ‸ in the city of Cocoa, and that also goes for the dispatchers as well, because
they're
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and I hope you got a lot of them.
Uh,
secondly, the city's got several job openings,
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accounting, water operations, whatever. Tammy,
you
got ‸ a couple of words to say on that and what kind of openings we got?
Yeah, it's fair. Um, I don't have all of them in front of me right now, but, yeah,
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More than that? Maybe nine?
I mean, the point is, we got jobs.
Yeah, usually, um, if, um,
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if applicants are interested in applying, um, on our website, uh, ‸ cocofl.org. Also, we post them weekly on LinkedIn and, and on Facebook. So, the Facebook post updates automatically when we post it on our government job site. It feeds to Facebook, but the LinkedIn ones we do. So,
I mean, out to the people out there,
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and, uh,
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got people working overtime, because, in some places, because nobody's
taking these
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At least a dozen. At least a dozen.
So,
we, we'd like to have people apply for these jobs and, and get them on board. Okay, thank you, Tammy. Thank you.
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police department's time, and, uh, I thought we were going to go off and come up with some kind of a plan to make that a little bit better or something, but I haven't seen one yet. I think the sheriff's going to help us.
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He said he's going to help us.
Yeah?
Yeah. But. So, we need to kind of follow through. Sure, we'd like
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and every time, and I know I've been riding with officers, and you get a call to Crosswinds, that officer's tied up now for two hours, four hours, whatever, where he could be out doing something, uh,
uh,
far more important in my mind, but I really think ‸ we were supposed to, we said we were going to come back with a plan on that, but I haven't seen one, so I'd like to see it. Okay, here's the one that everybody's, what are we doing on Mrs. Corby? I think pretty much all of the council, or at least the majority of the council last time, said it didn't feel like we treated her right, and that was supposed to come back to us, and I kind of expected it was going to come back at this meeting. It didn't, so have we done anything with Mrs. Corby?
Mrs. Corby submitted some information, a request for information that the city complied with to provide information. I forget the agency, but with regard to the pension issue,
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board chair, um, and, uh, because, as we articulated previously, the city doesn't have standing in terms of a case that was litigated in the courts between the pension board and Mrs. Corby.
I understand that,
but
sometimes you just got to do the right thing, and not just get all hung up in, oh, well, you know, it was, I don't see any reason why we can't live up to, if that document that she showed us was correct, I don't see any reason why we can't live up to that document.
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Well, I mean, I would go,
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firefighter's firefighter.
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liked him, did a damn good job. It just seems like, to me, that we have, I don't know what it was in, I don't know if it's in the charter or what the heck it's in, but said she ought to be getting his pension, and somebody shafted her out of it, and I think we ought to just make it right.
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the city. Well, but the, it's, the pension ordinance is set up and establishes the parameters by which the pension board administers the pension, and they are, in fact, responsible for administering the pension, and they have a fiduciary responsibility to administer it consistently with the pension ordinance. She challenged the, I guess, the benefit provision.
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understand all
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But it's, I'm not sure how the city can make it right when it's a pension board issue.
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and if somebody else failed to do that, I don't know how they failed to do that, but they obviously did, then don't we have, then, a responsibility to step up? We, the city, have a responsibility to step up and say, we'll take care of that. Because we said we were going to.
And I understand, I completely understand the, ‸ I think it's a complex issue, especially since the issue was she went to court, lost, appealed it, and law that gave her a specific ruling, you know, and so she litigated, based on the pension ordinance, what she thought the benefits that she should receive. And it's, we have no control over the pension funds in terms of the disbursement of pension benefits.
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Well, ‸ council appoints, you know, two members. ‸ The respective collective bargaining units appoint two members, generally, and then combine those four, appoint a fifth.
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I understand.
I just don't know, legally, and ‸ I think the city attorney can opine here. I'm just not sure what the city can do.
I don't know why we couldn't just budget to pay it.
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and that would, from a precedent standpoint, I think would be very, you know, I would caution.
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we've just told people that you can work your 20 years here, ‸ whatever, and we're not going to honor what our, what our obligation is by the document that is a city document. We've just said somebody else can make a, make that decision, and then we're not, you know, just because we said we were going to do this, that doesn't mean anything. I mean, it just, it just really bugs me that this can be allowed to happen. I don't know what the heck we can do about it either,
but
it just doesn't seem right. I mean, the man worked here for a long time. Was it,
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mean, ‸ he just, excuse my, excuse my language, dropped dead at 50 years old, you know, and, and he certainly wasn't expecting to do that. And then we have this document that says she should get his pension. Well, what's something like, something to that effect.
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I just don't, that's just not right. Just not right. And I think we need to go outside of the box and fix this.
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All right. I've been getting some inquiries about the waterline work on, on Indian River Drive. And some people have, I talked to city manager about this, but I just want to, I just want to bring it out because I told people that I would. They're putting in new fire hydrants. And I'm being questioned as to, some of them are putting maybe three, four, ‸ five, six inches further away from the curb than some of the other ones. I saw two of them like that.
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Let's just make sure that it's within whatever guidelines there are for such things and that our contractor isn't.
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Yeah. I had, I had engineering go out and measure it before the meeting tonight. And the closest to hydrant is
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curbs on
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inside of the property. Yeah. 46 inches is the least we had. Some of them were 50, 55 inches.
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Yes, sir. There's nothing wrong with where they are. Okay. Thank you.
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The,
I've also had several complaints about the AEG concert last weekend and not so much about the concert itself, even though the police did get some noise complaints. What about the after party in Lee Werner Park, which was making more noise than the concert did, so I'm told. And it was like one o'clock in the morning, I'm told. And I think we need to find a way to, to keep that from happening in the future.
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think police chief has got a plan to preclude something like from happening in the, in the future where so a bunch of people took the party down to the park. They were probably parked down there and just kept on partying, but they were disturbing the citizens at one o'clock in the morning. And so we just need to be aware that we don't do that to people. And then next to last is, as I mentioned, when Alan Chapman, Chapman was speaking, he and I have been digging on this thing for a while and trying to figure out how to do it, how to do a pedestrian zone. Because having lived in Europe for 10 years and him being a Canadian, we know the value and we know what I
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And so we had been thinking about doing that just on market day as a trial period and see how, how things go.
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same place, we decided to kick this can one more time. And I really think we ought to start looking into them. So I'm asking council for some,
do you
think we ought to do that ‸ and get some sort of a thing going? And I don't know whether the city's responsible for that. Of course,
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But, I mean, maybe we need to get HCVA or Main Street or somebody involved in there.
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market over there and, you know, but when, what is that guy's name?
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When he showed the picture of the streets being closed off just by putting chairs out there. What an idea. I mean, we would have put up a big barricade and, you know, hired a cop to stand out there and say,
you
can't go in there. And, you know, I mean, that does it right there.
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mean, ‸ so ‸ I think we'd really have a really beautiful area if we did that. ‸ And then, so I'd like to see if we can't work something out. If you can work, sit down with the ‸ HCVA and the Main Street and whoever else all.
Yeah, we have a meeting coming up ‸ next week, ‸ Monday.
And, you know, just say, if it doesn't work, we'll stop doing it.
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exactly.
Exactly. But, you know, a lot of them will be, ‸ we don't like any sort of a change. But other ones will say, hey, yeah, I can see the value in giving that a shot, you know, and see what's coming.
It'll grow it. We already have it.
February. Okay. And so my last thing is buy local. Thank you.
Shop local.
Shop local. Buy local. Do it all the time, my son.
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Ms. Warner.
I'd just like to thank the staff for doing a great job. Last Friday it was really probably the best economic development breakfast to date, and everybody that I talked to really enjoyed it. A lot of great ideas. I really enjoyed the workshop in the afternoon. I'm glad to be able to participate. It was a lot of hard work on everybody's part, but it was well worth it. And that's it.
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Yes, sir.
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had
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on a pink shirt, pink glasses. What else were you wearing, Tyler?
Nothing.
Yeah. Two
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Two images. Every day that I will. Yes, sir. So I want to say kudos to our
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idea. You want to help me out? I said, well, I'm heading that way anyway. Okay.
It worked.
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thank you. Okay. In closing, and I'll be brief as usual. But I kind of like the idea. I commend the council for voting to make a move on the property and close on it.
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It's kind of funny that tonight, I can actually say that in the future, ‸ near future, we're going to help redevelop Rockledge. That's
right.
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Right. I'll say Rockledge. But moving on here, the holidays
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a little bit of a blur for me.
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John, everybody showed up in force. ‸ It was a great event. Probably a thousand people were there.
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And just like tonight was just one of the many meetings we're going to have. We do ‸ some strategic things to further the city and to help our economic development. And that's what we're doing.
So
it's not too much of a struggle when you make these kind of votes, when you see the outcome down the road. Again, John, thanks a lot for the breakfast. That's your baby.
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And thank your staff and everybody that
was involved. That was a, like Brenda said,
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was a smash hit. It really was.
And I like, one thing is,
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And we had like workshops afterwards. And I
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tell you all the young kids, all the young people
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70 people, right?
A bunch? I don't know. It was a lot. A lot of people.
Those are really good for getting folks that normally wouldn't be involved.
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It was good. And then also the end of it is, ‸ I want to thank
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fire and police. My gosh,
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dad during the holidays.
Take your time. Take your time.
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But ‸ I just want to thank everybody.
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with him. He was here for a long time.
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would come home and I think, ah, the meeting didn't go very well. And
I
think about something. I boobed up. And he didn't really ever, he watched every meeting, but he never really gave me a hard time. And when I thought he might say something, he'd say, hey, it was a pretty good meeting. You know, but that's one reason I didn't watch the meetings because I let him watch them for me. He would ‸ critique them.
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Obviously, it's going to be a grieving period for me for a while.
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But,
again, you know, he used to watch it through the TV, and now he's watching me from up there. So. Thank you.
Make a motion to adjourn. Second. All in favor? Well done, Mr. Hadd. All right. Good job.
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