Cocoa, 65th Stone Street, the City of Cocoa Council Chambers. We'd like to bring this meeting to order. We would like
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Honorable Cooper Beringer. Would you come to the podium, please?
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We believe in doing things decently in order. Can
he
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reach that microphone? There you go, buddy.
You
can pull it down towards you.
Oh, my God.
All right. It has his big boy pants on.
‸ I pledge
allegiance to the flag of the United
States of America, and to the republic for which it stands,
one nation, under
God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Let's give him a round of applause.
Super duper
Cooper. Super duper Cooper.
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I really like your haircut, young man. I like that. I'm about to take your style. All right. I'll bow your head.
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you for just protecting us to have another moment just to be with you. Lord, protect our city day to day, and protect us in this meeting as we make sound decisions that would affect the citizens of Cocoa.
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Amen.
Amen. All right. Would everyone have a seat, please? Again, please secure your cell phone. Madam Clerk of Arsenal, may we do roll call, please, ma'am?
Yes, sir. Mayor Blake.
Present, ma'am.
Deputy Mayor Hearn. Here. Councilmember Behringer.
Present.
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Here.
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Here.
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Thank you.
Thank you very much, ma'am.
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What are the wishes of the council members?
Motion to approve.
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agenda, yeah.
Second. Okay, we have a motion
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at the water, uh, at the plant.
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Uh, it's on consent. I just wanted to note to you that that is a significant, uh, dollar amount. And so, uh, staff doesn't have any objections if you want to move that to a discussion item. Again, just simply because of the size of it being on consent. The amount of it.
Okay. Okay. And, uh,
an
action item.
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that item is.
City business.
Yes, sir.
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Okay. We have motion
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Now, uh, I have a question. Um, I need some point of clarification. ‸ And it's pertaining to item number 7-3. Provide direction to staff for funding new policies if necessary for the Indian River septic to sewer conversion. And here's my reason why I have some concerns.
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We had that meeting.
We're
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all in attendance with exception of Councilman Beringer. Um, I specifically made that motion that we table that item until we receive funding to show that we have the proper allocation for this. And, and, and Representative Thad Altman did give us his commitment. And, Mr. City Manager, have
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No, sir.
I
don't have any, uh, recent updates. I know he has or is making the appropriations request.
Yes, sir. Uh, Mr. Walsh,
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Okay. And, and, and, uh,
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Thank you. Have you heard anything from Representative Thad Altman?
No, sir.
Okay. So, that is the reason why I'm asking that we table this item to give Representative Thad Altman,
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in the audience, and he gave us his word because this was prior to session, and the next, whatever, 10 days we will be, 9 to 10 days, we will be at, um, Tallahassee. And, and
we
will get accurate information from him at that time. There's no time urgency or time sensitivity for this.
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given by Commissioner for the city to
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for the J&K so that is the reason why I'm asking you to at least give
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the opportunity to provide this fund or at least get some
information from him
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of representative Thad Altman
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opportunity for this now I have two lights on and that's and and I will hear from them but then I'm gonna ‸ come back and ask for us to table this item. Okay, Councilwoman
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and then Deputy mayor Herman
yeah and what has changed is law on July 1st the governor signed into law House Bill 1379 that says that everyone in those projects in an impaired water body will have to have, will have to either go septic to sewer, or will have to have an upgraded septic. Now, the number two reason is that we went to the county commissioners and asked for additional dollars. They responded saying that we would have to apply for dollars. They give us a deadline that we would have to apply for dollars before October 24 so
so
the issue of appropriations
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Florida League of Cities on appropriations stressed having skin in the game
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mandatory hooking up so that they can aggressively go after these grants and make appropriations to to catch up. Because we've got a deadline, it's 2030. we have, and and of course our comp plan supports that ordinance as well. But in order for us to apply for the grants, we have to be ready to apply in the spring, and there's another one in the fall.
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us in a backward position. where we're we're We're going to be behind behind when we have you know when we
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IRL protection plan was created The dollars are out there now. The deadlines are out there now.
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that so further delay and this is something I've talked with the city manager about for the last couple of months since I came back from that conference The whole idea that we have skin in the game. That means that we're actually
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Now there's a motion on the table right now, and it was seconded.
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okay. But there's still a motion on the table.
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business is a big grant. It's a wastewater grant. um And we're also, in our consent items, we're receiving a
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i think it's 3.6 or something like that as we're voting in the consent agenda and certainly we're going to look for every opportunity to get more dollars. But it's not an either or. It's a yes and yes. Because the dollars are available now. And even being able to, moving the sorrel dollars or not taking the sorrel dollars will not give us any advantage advantage to getting any dollars for the other project. And
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to back that up. But it's not an either or, it's a yes and yes. Now is the time and we have to show some skin in the game. The other municipalities are moving forward and aggressively going forth these dollars. We don't want to be behind. We want to do what's in the best interest of our citizens. And that's why I think that we should discuss giving staff direction to move forward.
Okay?
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My concern is that it states that we have until October 2024. And yes, um...
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take on this, especially with the funding that's uh in reference of upgrading the plant itself? uh ‸ Also, uh in reference of the nutrients too as well, sir. Because there again, we still have not yet given the man that said right there in the audience, and your word is your bond, and he made it vividly clear, matter of fact crystal clear, that he would acquire these funds for us. Stated right there, pull it from the minutes. You know, he asked us, we table this item, until we get some information from
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Director, Mr. Walsh?
Yeah, um when we talked about this item last year, um
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I think they start in January, so the session has just started. um And so again, there's an appropriations request that he's making. He is sponsoring. And then the ‸ additional dollars, remember, the county commitment was for additional dollars added to the project.
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of this year. If we don't secure funding, then we don't get those additional dollars there. But again, that's in October of this year deadline. And then Mr. Walsh can actually, he can talk about, and again, we've moved that item so we can talk about the significance of the project at the plant. As you know, the complementary item is 5-2, which is the grant that complements that. But that ‸ also has a bearing ‸ on nutrients in the lagoon there.
And
so sort of related, but certainly can talk about that when we get to that item.
Yes, ‸ sir. I think there was a question or two in there. I'll just clarify ‸ the item that was in discussion to move was for the award. And
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for the improvements at the wastewater plant. And that was to engage the contractor or CMAR and to order the long lead items. So that that's been in place for six or seven months, I think six months.
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total, which is about 1.5 million. Okay. So that's early in place. This agenda. And if you want to pull it
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Certainly, ‸ you're more than welcome to take that off and I can talk as much as you all want me to talk about it. But the part two of it that we're presenting tonight is
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they develop a guaranteed max price to complete the project after working with the plans and the engineer to the nth degree. We have that number secured.
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They work really, really well. It gives us some assurances, some caps on our ‸ spending, ‸ some engagement with the contractor, ‸ answered questions before they have to bid it kinds of things.
it's
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all really works very well. And that portion
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for tonight. It is budgeted as required because otherwise we cannot put things out to bid as we've talked before. The project was fully ‸ funded because it's a required project.
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we have to meet certain criteria discharge to the river for our plant. I don't ‸ know. There's other things about septic and sewer in the Indian River Lagoon, but our plant's wet weather discharge permit by July of 2025 has to meet the advanced chemical requirements as outlined in that B map that go to the Indian River Lagoon. This project fixes that problem. And ‸ it fixes it for everybody within the city because everybody's waste goes to one location. Okay. And it's in the order of potentially we
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It's ‸ big numbers. ‸ And that is calculated based on the 91 days that we're allowed to discharge during wet weather, during hurricanes and in the summers when people aren't taking the flow, but we have too much coming into the plant. We have to get rid of it somewhere. And we have a number of alternatives. But our absolute last alternative is the river. And now that the new laws and the new things that are in place, that's a requirement. So I have to do this project. So that project was designed almost two years ago, you know, through that process, through the Seymour selection process underway to get to you today. And about four or five, six months ‸ ago, that additional 100 million got identified. There's a water quality grant for Indian River Lagoon. There's components of that project that meet that ‸ criteria. So not all 12 million of the total project meet it.
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We made that submittal in hopes of getting the grant. And that grant was
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And that's the second item that's on there. And that's a reimbursement grant. So we still have to have the money, spend it up front, and then eventually get reimbursed from ‸ DEP.
Yes, because my other concern is if there's a cost that supersedes the actual completion of the project, who pays for it?
We pay for it. Yeah. Oh, I mean, the grant is the grant. You can't go back and get more. Like, I ‸ think I've stated that before. It's why these things ‸ can get tricky. A bigger project like what we're doing, we have a pretty good idea. But if ‸ it
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to pay for it. But we've already budgeted those dollars to put towards that project. And again, it's ‸ not a nice-to-have project. It's a required project. So whether we had the grant or not, we had the requirement to do that. And we're trying to get that done. It's going to be about a 14-month project,
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we hope, of testing to ensure that the implementation and all the engineering is correct and that the plant is tweaked in such a way so that come July of next year that we're actually compliant and our discharges will meet those criteria.
Thank you very
much. And that's my greatest concern. If the cost supersedes the actual allocation of funding, who pays for it, and there will be other individuals who do not have a direct impact, will be subsidizing someone else's concerns, improvement.
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but the greatest concern I have is ‸ Representative Thad Altman, who I do believe
in
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respect to the fullest, gave us his word, and we all heard it. And that was the motion, the table
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on this.
Councilman, Deputy Mayor Hearn, then Councilman
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I'm just trying to follow up. So,
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we have that was in the consent agenda, the must-have.
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what bearing does that have on that project?
I mean, they're related in that the mandatory hookup is addressing indirect discharge to the
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lagoon through the use of septic systems that are existing. This particular project is a direct pipe that goes from the wastewater plant and discharges to the river, which is what all of the wastewater plants done over the last hundred years.
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And the new law that was passed has specific advanced water treatment requirements, chemical requirements for phosphorus, nitrogen, and other constituents that we have to comply with.
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And remember,
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So we have
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And that collective wastewater effluent, once it gets through treatment at the plant, that effluent, if it were to go to the river, because we don't always go to the river, or some years we have the hurricanes we have, some years we've had those really crazy storms that drop 20 inches of rain on us in a week and have wet, wet, wet, wet, wet, and nobody's using reclaim, we run into some problems. But ‸ when we do, we have to meet that criteria going forward from July of 2025.
So I completely follow you in that aspect.
Okay.
I ‸ just was making sure there wasn't any confusion as this was an either-or situation here. Okay. They're
different projects. Yes. Yeah.
And
two
different requirements. And I, Jack, I just passed this now. And so this is, this is a sort of cheat sheet on the House bill that Councilwoman Koss referenced. And if you'll see, so Jack has a requirement for his plant, for the wastewater treatment plant to be advanced.
Water treatment.
Water treatment plant by sometime next year. July 2025.
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that if you are a resident out there and you're on a septic system, you have until 2030 to connect to a sewer system, if it's available, or to upgrade to the advanced septic.
So
that's, that's the 2030 for the residents out there. It's a 2030, uh, deadline, uh, that was in this bill that said if, if, um, if, uh, ‸ sewer is available, you have to connect to that or you have to go to advanced septic by 2030.
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2030. Right.
Okay.
So
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one would be penalized. They would have until 2030, 2030 to actually hook up to the J and K line.
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the J and K items, they would choose to go to the, and fully fund or fund that project so that we build a gravity system out there. Then this requirement over, overshadows everything and says, Hey, you have until 2030 to connect to a line that's in front of you or go to advanced septic if it's not in front of you.
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everybody would be required to be on advanced septic by 2030. If you put the pipe in and spent the money, those people, if they didn't connect, and ‸ I think our requirement would be we would want them to connect because we're going to have skin in the game from the county because they're going to want their money back for everybody who doesn't connect. And that was part of the multiple agendas, you know, that we brought to you in this, you know, in the same vein of J and K about, Hey, we've got to have mandatory participation because it's a pro rata reimbursement from save our Indian River Lagoon. They give us money because everybody's going to connect. If everybody doesn't connect, we give them back that money.
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amount. So
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So, and I,
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and if you all remember it, but it's, it's scary because if
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half a million dollars in reimbursement that we would pay back to the county that they would use towards another project in the, in the basin, I would imagine.
But the ‸ mandate would, would basically secure that everybody's going to hook up.
Yeah, I mean, I think the mandate there, I think, you know, for local governments, I think we all have to decide how we want to approach this. And it's still back to the fundamental agenda item that has been, been, you know, looked at several times about, are
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and force people
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do? Because the city certainly has significant skin in the game to the county because
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And then there's additional grant monies that we were also looking at from DEP to try to get that 50 50 match. And then of course, there's the risks and all the other things associated with the construction project. So I don't know if that helps or not.
Okay. So forgive me for being long winded, but I'm just trying to check all boxes here.
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uh, reasons. Um, ‸ has there ever been a history within our government where there was a mandate? Um, ‸ things didn't go as planned or the results wasn't as favorable as they wanted it to be. And that mandate was rescinded. Is that has ‸ ever been any history of that?
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time to time, you know, they've gone one way and then another, but I'm not sure that's apples to apples to apples with respect to what, you know, the mandate on a, on a, on the sewer connection.
Okay.
Okay. Because of, because of the way the project is, um, styled and then
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in order to get funding, right?
Right. ‸ It's, it still comes down to funding. That's really the basis that that's kind of what's driving decisions here. It's, we've got this overarching requirement. Now that's going to require something to happen by 2030, whether that's a hard pipe or whether that's an advancement to an old septic system to make it advanced treatment. Either way, the council has to decide somehow between now and say five years from now, which way you want to go and how we want to fund that and who's responsible to pay certain things. Are we going to roll out any programs? Are we going to try to go all in on J and K and get as much funding and still take on the risks that we talked about associated with that?
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talking about the greater area of the B map.
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but
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of folks on the other side of us one that are in the B map zone and that are going to have this requirement. And I think it's something like 470 plus or minus connections that would be affected by the B map mandatory requirement to connect by 2030. So what are those folks going to do?
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at possibly trying to fund a piping, but probably impractical in those areas are very spread out and there's onesies and twosies all over highest concentration.
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in between Indian river drive and
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in the B maps, which I'm familiar with a few of those areas,
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street, um, ‸ few areas we have over the city. Is that something that could be addressed through a plan where we have over the years we, you know, we achieve those.
It could be, but I think we'd also have to look at the practicality of whether or not spending millions of dollars for a few hundred connections. And again, it's not going to necessarily be the most bang for the buck because they're spread out. There's certain little concentrations and pockets where that might make some sense. Uh,
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to be able to connect it to existing. So I have a restriction between where grade is where the, where the lowest sewer is and whether I have enough cover and how far I can travel with the minimum slope and the gravity pipe in order to make sure that the flow gets to the, to the existing point, which is a fixed point in space.
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My biggest concern. I just don't want to miss out on this funding.
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his promises to us. Um, but that's just one portion of the funding.
And, uh, well, I think, I think fundamentally the question that I heard that I heard the mayor's state was simply, we don't know because. The, the item was tabled last May,
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and because that came and made some commitments. We knew that they weren't be able to address that until the January session, which is essentially now. But as of today, as of this council meeting, we don't know whether we're going to get any additional funding and it'd be nice to know so that we, maybe you could make it, maybe a different decision or a decision based on whether ‸ that comes up with something or something partial, something full or something in between. So I think and what I'm seeing is, is simply we don't know today. And that was really the primary reason why
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it back.
Okay. So if we give Mr. Altman, uh, the time to give us further information on this subject, uh, I would be in favor of tabling it only if we can put this agenda item on the next, at the next council meeting. And then, you know,
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March, I want to say March 4th, ‸ give or take a few days. So we still have all the month of February ‸ and January. And here's the other thing.
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mean, look at it again, it says
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We're talking about funding process.
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a couple of months as far as going for the grants. Correct? No,
no, there are certain grants that were guaranteed automatically. Even if we, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, if you went to the advanced septic connection,
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the requirement of nutrients falling back into the Indian river. And that's the reason why I was asking, uh, Mr. Walsh, sir, with the upgrading of his facility of the plant,
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pretty much everyone is required to either advance to a septic or hookup to a sewer by 2030. Everyone. Is that correct? That's correct. Everyone, everyone in that basin. Yes. Right. So, so what I'm saying, there's no rush. I mean, yes, time is of the essence, but there's no rush. We haven't given this man the opportunity where we vote and say, sir, we're going to give you the opportunity to provide us some additional revenue. Because if we fall short, who's going to pay for it? And people already told
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by me. They want to pay for someone else's,
um,
subsidizing
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Because they won't do it in, and even in District 1, because I know, uh, ‸ the ‸ conditions and situations they went through
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District 1 as well. So that's the reason why I'm saying just give Representative Thad Altman the opportunity to see what he can do during legislation. We're only starting week four.
So,
I understand what you're saying, but so if everyone is mandated by 2030 to hookup, what are they going to hook up to in 2030 if there is no sewer line?
Advanced septics. If they don't have sewer, they have to ‸ go to advanced septics.
So, so, and again, two requirements.
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to advanced wastewater treatment. That's the 2025. Yes. Um, that's the project that's on your agenda tonight. So that's that sort of plant based. And then in the community, those properties that are in the B map area are required to be either on a sewer system or have advanced septic by 2030.
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The wastewater treatment plant will be taken care ‸ of.
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yet, um but it's a very important item.
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except for this moment. So that's why you see sometimes a long uh winded um conversation.
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and I don't know if you can answer this or not, but and maybe Councilwoman
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can answer the question. For the Palm Bay, what were the majority of those lines that, uh once they made the mandate, ‸ were they already available in the city of Palm Bay?
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I think they had and have been applying for the quick connect requirements, which is if you already have a sewer nearby or right in front of your property, but you've got septic for whatever reasons, they're getting grants to make that connection to pay for the plumbing, get the connection, get the clean out in, pay for the impact fee, whatever, and get you connected. Those are some, some dollars that have been available. They recently, I think, just passed an internal ordinance because they
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of that we have that they weren't able to qualify for other grants like the DEP stuff.
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because they want mandatory connections for the, for the septic to sewer stuff. So I think they, they did that back in November or December of this year. They made, they basically took the Florida statute and
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that into an ordinance for the city to make, uh to make it mandatory. uh Our, our ordinance has that same language, but it has an extra paragraph that basically says that, but if your septic system is working, you're not required to connect. And that's the reason why we don't actually have anything in effect right now.
Gotcha. um so, so I do know this the next next weekend, um or next week, uh three council members will be going to Tallahassee. um and, and I know each one of you are probably going to have some robust conversation. uh with, um uh representative Altman as well. So, um I don't, miss I don't mind.
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because I know, um councilman Berenger is quiet on at the moment. So I don't know where he is, um with this conversation.
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today. So
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be in his office for sure uh to have this conversation. So i have making a decision today um I don't believe will be detrimental today, um next month, or possibly like like uh the mayor said in March. I don't think it will it
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do us any harm right now. But I have confidence in my council members that they're going to go to Tallahassee and do their job for the citizens of
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um So I don't mind tabling that. I did second it. I didn't
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it for um that particular item per se, but I was willing to have that conversation today about ‸ if we needed to. um But as we can see,
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really no
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And so that's that's
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I just want to make sure I already know the answer to that
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well there was there was a second, so it does belong that does it does belong to the council at this stage. So without objection, certainly um you know you can withdraw. If there is an objection, then you would have to vote the motion down and then make another motion. Okay. That's fine. Thank you.
And or
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call the ‸ That's
different, yes.
And then ask that this item on my table, excuse me, on my request for this item to be tabled. And then that will eliminate just item number
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Is that correct? So, but everything else will stand as stated.
Yes, you can, you could table one of the items right and then the, uh that would modify. Well, yes.
Yes, sir.
Modify the main motion.
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Okay. uh but I believe you're doing things decent in ‸ order.
maybe
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biblical. Okay. uh councilwoman calls. Then councilman
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uh
so
um Jack, you mentioned that there are
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There are 470 homes that do not have sewer. or Yeah. Okay. And you also said that everyone
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by the wastewater treatment plant
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have no idea, ma'am. I can't predict construction costs next week, let alone ‸ five years from now.
‸ The project was approved in 2019. um there's probably, you know, we've seen quite a cost increase in in that amount of time. um as far as representative, uh Altman goes, um he's not the one I would be talking with. I would be talking with other representatives, right? Because he is in support. And that's where it starts to get dicey because
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who has been aggressive, aggressively going after, upgrades to the wastewater treatment plant, as well as sewage overall, to, for the purpose of having, uh you know,
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city. We're looking at a lot of growth, a boom in growth ‸ and fortifying our infrastructure is certainly in the best interest of our citizens. Do you have, I was going to ask, um Mr. Whitten, do you have a copy of the letter from the county, the exact wording? because I believe the wording on the dollars from the county required us to have the funding in hand. We haven't applied. There's a grant in the spring that we apply for and a grant in the fall. If we don't apply for those, how do we have it in hand? Would be my question. And then in terms of our talking about this, this being the only opportunity
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need is a workshop to really look at these infrastructure needs, right? That would, that would be the ideal. I've been talking about this with the city manager since November. ‸ It kind of got seemed like a surprise on the agenda
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and lastly
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on something as important as this is to I see several people in the audience who are facing
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a result of you know they could be as a result of our decision
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and not have any public comment
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the public would have an opportunity to speak on the public input I mean
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discussion is about whether or not this item should remain on the agenda for discussion and direction so ‸ this is just a procedural you're at a procedural posture of approving the agenda for the night now granted this is a very important issue that you've taken up numerous times so you've had approximately 35 minutes of discussion on the substantive matter even though what's really before you is whether or not you want to leave it on the agenda for discussion so I would I would recommend that you decide whether you want to leave it on the agenda for discussion
yeah
and then vote on the agenda for the evening and regardless of your vote the citizens have an ability to comment on the public input on this issue if they want to
‸ okay and
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last thing I would just ask is well I would say is we don't know but we don't know there are many things in this agenda that we don't know exact expenses on we did a pretty good job of shoring up what grants were available ‸ you know we may be off some and prices go up but we're not that far off
So the we don't know is not going to change. The we don't know,
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appropriation you know
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so um anyway so I think uh well that's all I'll say about it for now and hopefully we'll have an opportunity to discuss this it would have been better to do it in a workshop but I yield the floor and
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Thank you. uh Short and sweet. uh if I think we're about about a point in order at this point. uh uh And to echo uh Council's uh sentiment. So if the vote is, are we doing it or are we not? I think that that is the vote. uh is an essence or substance to the actual issue should be done under the issue, or so
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uh Additionally, I do recognize that there uh is a concern, question or information that is, I think, as Council members we're receiving, that may foster more questions.
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public, I know that we have it on the agenda and there are there are people who came here tonight, uh I think because of that, ‸ that would be the only extra piece uh that I would throw out there. So thank you.
Thank you very much, sir.
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his word, and that, ‸ I want to give him the opportunity to, um fulfill his obligation that he publicly stated, even in the presence of his father-in-law, he made this statement. And my concern is we still have time. the, the house, excuse me,
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And we have ample time to apply all the
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up until October the 24th.
So, I mean, there's no need to hit the panic button, because I
believe in our Representative. He's been, again, faithful and trustworthy. So, on that note, I would
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a second.
You don't have to vote on my motion, because I guess
that's a table.
Second this one's gone
No, I think it's the main motion, I guess, is, is to approve the agenda. And
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items.
Okay, so,
the
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rescinded, and that comes
Well, as I pointed out procedurally, the second has not been rescinded unless it, does unanimous consent
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second was made, once it's made, then the motion belongs to the council. So, and we, procedurally, the council has always taken the position. You can withdraw your motion if there's unanimous consensus of the of the ‸ of the council. If not, then the motion needs to be acted upon. Alternatively, now, in this particular case, the motion, main motion, as I understand it, to approve the agenda is still on the floor. The mayor has made a motion to table just one of the items.
Yes.
Seeking a second. If he gets a second, then
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‸ Has to be dispensed with, and then you see where it goes. So,
the first motion is not voted on?
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a second for a motion to table, then the the the motion on tabling um takes priority and has to be um dispensed with by the by the council. Okay.
second with discussion.
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still speak under that item, under delegations, period. Correct. They can still speak under the item, no matter. That's
why, garganese correct?
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the right under public
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Okay.
I would not, excuse me, I would not deny them up there.
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All in favor of tabling item number
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Say aye. Aye. Please raise your hand or uh let me let me ask the question so she can get it accurately. uh ‸ Councilman Berenger, what is your
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Chair says yes. are Any nays?
Nay. Let
the record reflect. We have three yes to table
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and two nays, which is uh
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All in favor by the amended um agenda item. i say Aye. Does
it include city business still? since we've ‸ Yes, ma'am.
‸ just
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or no, ma'am?
uh Well, it's already been defeated.
Right. that that The item's been tabled. The only the only change to the other change to the agenda,
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the man as the manager pointed out,
yeah the
consent item number one is being moved to City Business.
Which we don't need to do now, do we? Because we already discussed
well Yes, that's definitely needs to be done
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where I'm asking. Are you saying yes
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‸ Okay.
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approve the agenda. The remaining items. Now, proceeding on to awards and presentations. um Presentation of the City's 65th year City Manager Form of Government Certification,
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Thank you very much, sir. And thank you for your patience.
‸ Good evening, Honorable Mayor Blake. Good evening. ‸ City Council members, City Manager Whitten, and residents
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and I'm the City Manager of Indian Harbor Beach, and I'm here tonight as I serve on the Florida ‸ City County Managers Association's Communications Committee. On behalf of FCCMA, we are privileged to present the
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as your 65th year as the Council Manager Form of Government, as recognized by the International City
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On behalf of
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of Directors, and ‸ membership of FCCMA, we offer our sincere congratulations on your 65th anniversary. As you know, the Council
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was created to help separate administration from direct political influence and
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practices within local government. It's modeled after a corporation's framework where voters, i.e. the stockholders, select a council,
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board of directors, who in turn appoint a manager, i.e. a professional executive, to advise the council and implement its actions through ordinances and policies. In Florida,
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cities, town, villages operate under the council manager form of government. And of the 67 counties, only all but two are professionally managed.
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where you have a city council that works together to establish public policies that are in the best interest of your residents, visitors, and stakeholders. COCO is also very fortunate to have FCCMA and ICMA member
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With over 30 years' experience to Brevard County
in
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the city of COCO, Stockton is respected by its peers and professionals around the county, state, and country as a leader who does not accept the status quo, an advocate of democratic principles, an example of ethical behavior to other professionals in ‸ local government. Stockton leads ‸ staff committed to providing the highest quality of life
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through a shared mission to ‸ enrich the quality of life for the city's unique and diverse community by delivering professional, responsive, innovative, dedicated, and exceptional public services. Core values of integrity, accountability, community engagement, professionalism, and excellence.
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Beautiful and enchanting Cocoa Village, the envy of other cities throughout the county and state. Amen. Where residents and visitors enjoy the rich cultural heritage of the city, a variety of culinary establishments, and many small businesses that harken back to the days before big box stores. And last but not least are the stellar local athletes of Cocoa High School that bring pride and championships to the city. Therefore, on behalf of FCCMA and all other council manager communities within ‸ the state of Florida,
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being a council manager community for 65 years. At this time, I'd like to present the city council and city manager this well-earned certificate.
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Let's give our city manager a round of applause.
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industrial city manager.
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Okay, on behalf
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we do acknowledge our own city manager for your industrious labor and your commitment
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a better place to live, safe and beyond from all calling. So we say thank you from where all of our blessings come from,
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So let's give him another round of applause. I know our city manager will not say anything, but I will give him the opportunity or even council members, would you like to say anything to our, about pertaining to our city manager?
Okay. Let's take the picture and we can move the meeting along.
I do. No,
I'm fortunate to be here as we celebrate the 65th anniversary of a council manager form of government. Remember, it's a council manager form of government.
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We're serving the citizens. Certainly fortunate to have the staff that we have doing what they do for the citizens. And so thank you very much. And again, it's not my honor. It's the city's honor.
Yes, sir. Thank you.
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Come on, come on, man. And what year is this?
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Y'all cut
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Front and center? What would you like, man?
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right, let's give my city manager another round
of applause.
Team Coco, baby. Team Coco.
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Come on,
come on.
All right, let's proceeding on to delegations. We make sure you submit all your cards.
I
have one card. I would like to acknowledge... Okay, is it Deborah Agostino? Would you please come to the party along with your support group as well? Ma'am, teamwork is dream work.
That's right.
Absolutely. Hi, I'm
Debbie.
I'm Don.
I'm Gary.
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All
right. We are an electric ride sharing micromobility device company. In Brevard County. I do have a Brevard County city license. And I'm here today to request that the city council please issue my business tax receipt that I applied for in September 15th of 2023.
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city council could come up with some kind of ordinance for low speed vehicles. I submitted a package in there about our company and what we do. I'm a local. I
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Gary's also local. Dawn is also local. The reason why I started a scooter company in Brevard County is because I travel and I ride scooters all over the United States. And I do not want our city to look like Orlando where it just looks like pickup sticks on the sidewalk on Sunday morning. Like trash. In our company we go around in the city every morning before the city wakes up and straighten up our scooters. If someone leaves it on a sidewalk somewhere no one knows because it's already lined up pretty by the time the store is open at 8 a.m.
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I brought my scooters into the village because I had Jackie at the Pirates Museum request me to bring them here.
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I would have never even thought to bring them into the village. But after I was with her,
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I was told that I did not have a City of Cocoa license and I couldn't be here.
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Orlando.
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They charge your phone. They have blinkers on the handlebars. They have blinkers on the back. They are heavy duty. Not the tiny ones you see everywhere else that ‸ you can pick up and throw. So, mine weigh 120 pounds. Good luck picking that up. All right? After we were here, we were told we didn't have a City license and we had to move them. After I moved them here, we have numerous businesses that want them here. Because you know you're not making parking any bigger. There is no more parking. What parking there is is what parking there is. People who come here, visitors, residents, people who come back year after year are always looking for something new to do and a way to get around. People already have their private ones riding around the city. Airbnbs are providing private ones for people to use while they're there. And just because they're not labeled with a company, nobody stops them. I just want my license issued or denied. Not just to be on hold indefinitely. In September,
you
had a meeting. Okay, ma'am. Three minutes, I'm done. ‸ 30
more seconds.
Okay. In September, you had a meeting.
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If you see on page two, the state chapter 320 under state floor statute says low-speed vehicle means any four-wheel vehicle. Under ‸ chapter 316, we are a
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device, a motorized transportation device made available by private use through the reservation of an online application. During that meeting, I understand that
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Please wrap it up now. I'm
just requesting that our license be issued because we would love to have the
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Okay. That's
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I'm going. Councilman goes.
Have you, have you, you haven't met what our city manager about this at all, correct? No, but I applied for a business tax receipt in September. So, I think that would be a good first step.
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Okay.
So, ‸ I know ‸ your numbers on this.
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cards of his over there as well?
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that'll
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now on the item.
I understand.
Yeah.
Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. This concludes this portion of, let me make sure, delegations. Yes, delegations. All right. We'll proceed on to consent agenda item. What are the wishes of council? Motion approved. We have
a
motion
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Aye.
Any nays?
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Adopt on second and final reading and hold public hearing on ordinance
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creating a community development district pursuant to chapter 190 Florida
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pursuant to petition filed by the
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far ‸ Garganese okay
second and final reading ordinance number zero one dash twenty twenty-four an ordinance of the City
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pursuant to chapter 190 Florida statutes naming the district describing the external boundaries of the district, describing the functions and powers of the district, granting special powers, designating five persons to serve as the initial members of the district's board of supervisors, providing a severability clause, and providing an effective date. Again, this is second and final reading of this petition to create a community development district for the
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mayor thank
you very much Esquire Garganese you have any questions for Esquire Garganese I do have one two three, four, five, six, seven cards for this particular item. And seeing if we do not have any questions for Esquire Garganese sure ‸ like to close this portion to council open to the public. Please come forward and state your name for us, please. mr. Richard half-o-finger my saying that right yes ‸ sir thank you counter sir and then after that will be miss Tammy and then
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thank you
good evening my name
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I live in
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I am an unincorporated
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just down the street.
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and we think that we may be able to get along with you guys, but we have it we have some traffic issues.
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there was a stipulated settlement agreement way back when I mean this is an ongoing thing that blocked you from having access to the
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right now your PUD currently shows a two access points off
of
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James Road which you're asking the county to allow you to turn into a private road you're kind of in violation of your own PUD ordinance that you're supposed to have two access points and they should be highly desirable to be on separate roads the stipulated agreement took Friday away from you I understand that that puts you in a hard spot. It also puts us in a hard spot in the unincorporated. You will all be coming down the same road one central exit point we think I think that I have and I
propose
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this to the county I think I have a solution for you But it will require you to relook at your current plan. You can give yourself a secondary access point by cutting a road on your own property along a frontage road of 528. You'll stay within the city. You'll control that road. And you will give your your citizens in there, and there's quite a few homes, you'll give them high-speed access to services, fire, emergency, and you will also take a little the burden off of
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a rural residential
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per acre typically. and And we're looking for a little relief, and we think you ‸ have a problem with your your access. And that that creates a problem for us so I'm asking you to consider modifying your
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so that you're more in alignment with what the intent is. Give yourself the second access on a second road. Cut yourself a road in the city. You can control that road. There will be no speed bumps. You can get in and out fast. And the people that want to buy into that development will appreciate your decision, and you're you're you're looking to the future to make sure they remain safe.
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you guys. It did, and that was the intent, because we were mad about it then. You've got comp traffic calming devices that
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my backyard is Friday that you've got a lot of density in there that's it's a lot less houses than it was back in 2004 when it was talking about
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But we still think it's a lot of traffic in our area. It doesn't match our area.
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We would. You've got that property. You also have the attaching property along 528.
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So if we're asking to do that I pitched this to ‸ the County Commission they said you should go
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you to have access to our road.
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problem with your with your access point. So ‸ like you ‸ consider doing that and I think we can all get along I mean that change is gonna ‸ happen You're gonna ‸ build there. We know that. We're just trying to make so you're happy, we're happy, and we're good, because it's going to create a major traffic nightmare for us so I think I do have a solution thank you very much
thank you
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him
well
mr. Richard come back to the podium, please. oh They
don't do this at the county. Please
ask me
questions.
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well it's not really so much for you as I'm trying to understand where is the opportunity to do that to consider that because we've already ‸ I actually submitted
a document to the county and I presented or generated a map
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can, you can, you ‸ state that you have the continuity along the 528 that gets you to the big development there at the corner so you do own that property runs along 528
okay I think you have an easement
to cut a road there, ‸ frontage road, and that'll stay on your property. You won't have to speed bump it. The services, fire stations right down here where it would come out near the CVS pharmacy on the 524 those people that want to get to the Cape they would love to have that road that would be a selling factor for that ‸ I
don't think it's something we're gonna ‸ consider now because what's in front of us tonight is a CDD right reporting correct
okay so ‸ Council's already approved the final engineering and site plan for the project this is just creating a CDD
to
manage the infrastructure that's going to be constructed in conjunction with the project
‸ I've heard from lots of folks and I'm very sympathetic about what's gonna happen there so
yeah we still but we have to vote on
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we could just kind of come with a compromise to make us both happy, but well we'll keep keep working on it and hope you guys continue to work with us, too. Thank
you. Absolutely, sir. Thank you very much, sir.
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good
evening my name is Tammy hoisington I live out on Pinto circle which is right next to the drainage ditch across from
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it is my understanding speaking with the fish and wildlife and also with st. John's water management that no permits have been issued for some of that stuff yet. My question tonight is, if anybody can answer it, is how come there's an excavator already out there doing work on the property how come there was another piece of equipment that I couldn't identify and I've been around a lot of equipment out there last week also working on the property? If nothing is permitted, if none of that stuff is permitted yet, they're already out there plowing and digging why why is that being permitted I did call fish and wildlife and turned that in ‸ I did call
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today and turned that in so I'm just wondering what's going on if we have to be above board with what we're doing in life, why
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and what they're doing? Because this is already showing us that they're just a pack of liars and that they want what they want because they're greedy people. And that's all there is to it that's all I have to
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yes
‸ go last yeah I can go last
yes sir okay I
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the floor is
yours
mrs. Lieber thank you ma'am ‸ thank you thank you mayor Blake yes
mine goes along with Rick in my concern for the safety of the residents who will eventually live in Windward
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meeting up on James Road with five other small rural roads coming in and a major one Friday Road if there is some type of emergency on the James Road extension and people from windward have no way out no way out I just don't know how you can justify establishing a district when you ‸ are already compromising the safety of the residents that will be there
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until there's a new plan which is there's many faults with it when it comes to egress once you're in there I think you guys need to go back to the drawing board with the developer and saying we want to make our residents safe and God help
that
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there's an emergency at the front entrance. There's no way out. There's a canal on one side and there's private property on the other that's fenced in there is no way out so I just want to present that that I think you're gravely you're you're you're not taking this seriously, that you are jeopardizing the safety of the people in Windward and you're not looking for you're not looking to an emergency that could very well happen so that's all I have to say and I hope it works out that you're more considerate of your citizens that will eventually live there. But until then,
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should not be established thank
you mrs. Lieber okay is it Susan is it Rollins yes ma'am
would
you please come for a ma'am thank you
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Susan
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Pine Lily Lane which is right off of James Road you know I have similar concerns but I would like to I don't know how far you
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appropriate name for the Windward district the council but I would like to request
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council I think that is the fair and and conscientious thing to do is let us have a seat at the table and let us help in that discussion and so I wanted to ‸ put that out there obviously I have similar questions that everybody else has but I I would like to recommend that is if at all possible let us have one seat at the table that's all I had
thank you ma'am
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late I didn't realize it ‸ already been approved the site plans are gonna prove federal project
yes sir
okay
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when all ‸ this started and we were talking about being in order with what's around you, okay? Everything around there's acres and, you know, single family acreage and bigger, and this
is
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going to small houses per acre, and it's not what's around us. we're not being good to the neighborhoods around it and I was told at that time that's because they're not in the city and that's not the way we should look at things I mean if somebody wanted to put a condo next to your house, even though you had 40 acres, that wouldn't necessarily be the greatest thing to see and be, you know, living with the neighborhood and trying to make it work. The other big thing on that, is has been mentioned already I'm not going to beat a dead horse but the traffic control out there getting how vehicles to and from that they're going to go down James Road even though
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you know there's only two roads in three of
you
go away in the cocoa North that's not gonna ‸ happen and people will be shooting up and down there at a
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so I don't know what exactly
has
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turned out on all that
I'd
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like to see a site plan on what's being done being a site developer seeing what's happening with that
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as far as getting people to and from,
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the mark on on saying much about that at this point, but it just needs to keep in mind, you know, if we can to help help the people that are out there I'm not in that area I would volunteer to be on that board if they're if they're taking people for that
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more than happy to be. So, you know, people that don't want to be can't complain, you know, and so if if you need another name on there give me a call and I'll be glad to work with you best
I
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you sir and not to be premature or even in feasibility number one thank you for the offer and also I'd like to acknowledge that I thank thank you to the other speaker who just even solicited the idea so thank you for that I appreciate your willingness to serve and I'm assuming that would be like a multi-year commitment
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sir good
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Taylor Morrison and my handwriting has not improved since last time so I apologize for that.
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the project, as you all mentioned, was approved back in December so you know we went through traffic studies and work for the city and that that plan is basically in place and it's already been approved today as
you all
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mentioned what
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as the operations and maintenance entity for the project. It's a much more superior, robust entity for taking care of the stormwater taking care of the James Road extension all those things you
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about last time. In terms of site clearing or anything like that, that's not going on. There there is
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had their contractors out there looking at the site doing some soil samples and things like that but there's no no construction going on so I'm happy to answer any other
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my question was at any point did have
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as far as their roads as far as James Road a Friday any any any robust conversation about widening or of those particular roads any conversation I'm
not as privy to the project details I'm not their land use attorney okay but they require permits from all the
different entities
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and I'm sure that's happened I got you
‸ yes
yes
I mean there are there are requirements in the stipulated settlement agreement regarding James Road and traffic calming and so forth so the developer has been working with the county to meet the county's concerns regarding the project
gotcha I guess that that would we've been going through this for a while and a lot of a lot of times um citizens that live in unincorporated cooperated areas,
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but at the same time the county is the one who um has approval a part of this approval process and so I always thought they should fill those dishes in and pipe them that's what I thought for a long time
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and so last time I gave phone numbers out to representatives and it didn't go well uh they got mad at me too but but I I would always say call your county representatives because a lot of times um they have they have the funds for certain things right now when they're going to get ready to go into their budget season that they might be able to do more on the roads in that unincorporated area I just say that so I mean only like I said
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they should pipe those ditches and and widen those roads I always thought that for a long time but
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I always get myself in trouble by speaking my mind but um that's just how I feel about it sir
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sir
thank you uh and so I that is my million dollar question is I understand I understand the
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created uh and also uh the legality of the authority that is designated to that entity uh and yet here we have a citizen willing to be supportive I think to the idea of the CDD
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to
be able
to attend vocal vocalized concerns, meaning in their annual meeting, you know, semi-annual, whatever that might be, is there a place where that citizen can be involved with that if they are not directly
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so councilman that's an excellent question we get that question from time to time consider if we just had an HOA project this would simply be run by the developer that would
be the developer
it turns over at 90 95 percent build out by putting a CDD in place though you know a CDD is basically a homeowners association they can do more things they get FEMA funding they've got sovereign immunity protection their insurance is better they can take out tax exempt loans to finance and take care of their infrastructure better
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roads or something like that they're much better more robust maintenance entity so that's really what we're
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now you talk about
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and what not they can start to have elections and put people on that board but in the early years of the project just like with any other project the developer is going to control that so they can oversee the project they're familiar with that they're more involved in the construction
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CDD is it's a public
entity
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so ‸ our meetings are not closed to you know just the HOA members they're open to the entire public just like you guys so if we have citizens who want to attend our meetings we've got publicly available websites we announce all the meetings they're welcome to attend we encourage their participation so
I take that as a no
‸ you
know if I may what once the board that the board will turn over then only those persons that meet the definition of qualified elector are allowed to run for election and serve on the board and that includes a residency requirement within the district so it's it's limited to residents like an HOA right you own ‸ a home there you'll you'll be uh if you meet the other requirements uh qualified as a candidate to run for the board Okay. All right. Thank you.
But it does turn over typically earlier. It's it's much more transparent. Sure. sir Thank you.
okay Okay. Do we have any other questions for uh Mr. Jerry? All right.
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‸ we have any more cards, uh
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Chair, ‸ like to close this portion to the public and return to the council. What are the wishes of council?
We
have a motion we
have a motion on
the floor by Deputy
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second it. Chair will call the question. All in favor, by saying aye. Aye.
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have it unanimously. Proceeding on to item number
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from District number
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uh
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to ‸ the diamond square CRA
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what are the wishes of council motion
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approve
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second.
Okay. We have a motion
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the same saying aye. Aye.
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want to make sure we're just appointing robert excuse me robert butler and James Green
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‸ do they advertise right
yes ma'am
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trying to ask correct correct no brandy oh ‸ here we go
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the vacancies of two regular member seats on the board of adjustments through may 2027. chair like to make a motion to approve looking for a second
second okay
we have a second on the floor by councilman
gorns just gonna call the question are they in the audience
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either
one of those two mr. Butler come to the podium before i call the question Yes sir come to the podium. Welcome aboard the team
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We'd like to say anything sir.
Yes I just want to you know serve the community and the board and make the best decisions that they helped out the residents of Coco.
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Butler thank you thank you welcome to the team sir one is a lonely number so welcome to the team
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favor saying
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unanimously let me calm down. chair fine
sir my apologies sir also uh there i think we may have members who were reappointed under the diamond square CRA as well
yeah they're not
okay thank you sir yes ‸ thank you sir
Excellent observation that's the only reason why.
‸ Appreciate ‸ I'm catching up, sir.
No, you good. thank you
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Yes, sir. There again, man, that's one fine haircut you have over there, youngster. You and I, Chief
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on to item number
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which is
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from our consent items
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Smith, Inc., for the construction phase services of the
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pump station, replacement rehabilitation project,
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at the Jerry Sellers Water
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Reclamation uh
reclamation
Facility to authorize the city manager to execute amendment,
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to execute GMP amendment, hashtag
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to
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at risk CMAR services,
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to approve as a multi-year contract from fiscal year 2024 through fiscal year 2025, to approve a contingency resolution,
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Yes, sir. sir
sir. There's a lot going on there. Yes,
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obviously, I spoke about this
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you know, when we started the meeting, but just a quick summary would simply be, this project has already been seen by council in the form of part
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It was awarded to Wharton Smith as the construction manager at risk, and council authorized somewhere around 1.5 million for the longlead items and for the for the award to wharton smith
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because we're using the C Mart risk we're doing it as a change and that's to add this 10 some 10.5 million to the project for the whole completion of the project. This is also related to the second item on the consent, which stayed on the consent which is we're gonna ‸ get 3.6 million dollars back because we're gonna ‸ we got that that water quality grant from from DEP ‸ so
chair let me make ‸ motion to approve looking for ‸ second second hot
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I have your cards here I will listen to you all once we get through it this side yes sir yes sir yes sir just gonna call the question I'm in favor saying hi I have it unanimous thank you very much for your esteem leadership sir and your intuitiveness to
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sir would you come to the podium so you can talk about septic to sewer then after mr. Ontario will be mr. Greenwood then after mr. Greenwood is mr. Sullivan still in the audience?
No, everybody left.
Okay. All right. Well, let's give another opportunity to exercise that right. And thank you for serving on the board.
Thank you appreciate it thank you for helping me get elected there good evening
I
just this um since you you tabled the
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I guess there's really not much for me to say when do
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Well, let me say ‸ this way, sir. yeah discussion To be honest, in all fairness to me let the session conclude in March
okay
okay to be fair and equitable across the board because
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and I call another state representative as well in conjunction. So my thing is, it's on their radar for sure okay they know and I trust representative Altman he's
fair
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and equitable across the board and I support him
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always been a supporter of his so all right all right
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that's pretty much it thank you guys thank you
yeah
no I just wanted to say the actually it's March is when the session ends but nothing becomes signed in until I mean we don't really get a confirmation
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Thank you, Council, and thank you for allowing me to put a couple of ideas um uh to discuss. uh I noticed that there hasn't been too much discussion about the actual drainage the pipes that are not involving sewer that go into the river and I've been told that
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there bottom line there is a lot more questions about this subject and I think it's important that it would include other um uh methods that the city is using to relieve some of the uh the water that's ending up in the river and one of them is this drainage pipes I've heard there was as many as uh 80 or 90 I don't know if Mr. Walsh knows that off the top of your head but uh
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or is this something ‸ I
think the pipes that you're talking about are stormwater discharge pipes so that would fall under Public Works. We only have one discharge for the plant. oh there is one? One. Good. But
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and that falls under stormwater.
Okay. That that answers it. Thank you very
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Frank Sullivan Okay. Well, that's all we have. so at this time I'm going to close this session from the public and open it back up to the council ‸ any staff reports
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to the council on anyone listening uh and I think I'd mentioned it a month or so ago that
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for ‸ our uh testing of our water I had mentioned it
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council about five or six weeks ago but it took about five or six weeks to get bids and get the notifications and now they're cycling through the the bills so some of the citizens are now starting to get them over the last two weeks So in case you get questions, uh it was
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that we have to test for every once in a while every every couple of years we test for it. And the bottom line is the water was safe. We never were not compliant. What happened was was we exceeded a regulatory a state regulatory detection limit
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So the state put an extra requirement on certain organic compounds this is hey if this comes up at this level you need to start monitoring it a little bit more. And we missed one of those monitoring sessions.
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got missed because it's we had a little internal problem. um But the water's safe. Everything's fine. And and somebody brought up to me I forget where I was and where when they mentioned it to me but they said they were just so scared from reading the the
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make sure that everybody understands that the flyer is 99% d.e.p. controlled and there's like two sentences ‸ in there when we can tell them what happened basically that we missed the monitoring and all the other language in there is pretty much dictated by d.e.p. and has to be in
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missed a test and the item that we were testing for never exceeded the contamination level where it would have gotten to a level of concern.
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um Just a few things. um Just wanted to reiterate that we are having the
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Beginning at one o'clock. So come out to Riverfront Park and help us celebrate our ‸ state champion football team. um then we have on next Wednesday, January 31st, we have our annual economic development business showcase event where we'll be highlighting our
cocoa
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businesses, um and giving just a year in review, uh to our attendees for economic development. um and then on February 6th, we will be doing a groundbreaking ceremony, um to kick off the
start of the Fisk Boulevard
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project.
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That's a much anticipated project along Fisk Boulevard and the Broadmoor Acres Corridor there. And so we'll be doing a short groundbreaking ceremony to kick off
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have.
Would you reiterate that date again, please, ma'am? or councilwoman
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uh but I think what I'm gonna ‸ report is very important to ‸ council. uh It's with great um pride that I announced to you that both of our uh high school uh recruits who came into the recruit
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their state of Florida EMT certifications.
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and what they've accomplished. And they have gone through phase one, which is getting their national EMT and state of Florida certification. But it's been through that partnership through the city of Coco that's helped them get that. Much of that has been through our HR
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first phase through EMT school. But the other portion of that was our finance director helping get their uh their programs paid for. So they are moving forward into phase two fire school starting in February. um And I
say that
because really you should sit down and listen to these two young men's stories. uh The impact that the city is having on those two young graduates from right here in Coco and
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People don't see that on the street. Our citizens really don't understand that or see that and what's going on behind the doors to help them be successful. And it will ever be life changing um Not to to get in the weeds on stuff. We talk about roads. We talk about impacts of communities that are coming in, ‸ taxes and all that. But the impact this council and our staff has had on these two young men will forever be impactful in their lives and we're continuing to do that with that partnership with our school here at
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So I'm very proud of these two young men. I'll cut it off. As the city manager always says, don't unsell the car. But it's hard not to unsell the pride that we have in these two young men and what they've accomplished. So thank you.
Yeah. And Mr. Mayor, I i let the chief go on uh last on on our purpose because it's a, you know, it it is, uh there are a lot of things that you can do in a 30-year career. This is one of the things that I'll remember most. um And and Chief, we we we have to give a special shout out to the gentleman you told me about that uh provided some assistance. Yeah.
And I was really trying to cut it short because I wanted to say this. But so
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and very strong connections throughout the fire service. And that's what has helped connect her and I together is our relationship with our connections. And she actually had a connection with a private institute in Orlando that teaches
fire and
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EMT school. And one of our recruits were struggling with the state test. She reached out to her connection and said, can you help him? And he said, absolutely. We sent him up uh several times, four or five times within a week for remediation, extra study, extra help. ‸ this gentleman makes money off of doing that. as a favor to us in our organization. He didn't charge us a dime. His last session was on Friday with the
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when you invest in human mankind,
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a win-win situation, sir. yeah Man, the impact that you all. Thank you, sir. yeah Thank you. and that's impact it's just real life. It's
just really a great story and
you know
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uh and
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recruits that you probably ever had, Chief. and and And the irony and the beauty of this all is is that they, if the timing is right, they'll get through fire school and hopefully they're testing. And we'll be able
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as a full-fledged uh
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firefighters. And so so that that would be just a wonderful thing. And so we pray that the timing works out for that. um And so that's the end of our reports. Let me suggest that on next week
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lot of big issues up there. But with regards to um um uh representative Altman, that that that be one of your stops. um Because
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among his assignments are Ag and Natural Resources. He is the Appropriations Subcommittee Chair. And so you you need to pay a visit to him to ask him what the strategy is with regards to who you see to get them um i'm singing from the same sheet of music with regards to our appropriations request. Because he's going to give you direction as to who he thinks he needs to have in his corner as we uh as we go out of subcommittee
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committees there. So, so, so, so please go by and see uh Representative Altman when you're in Tallahassee. ‸ I think that's the end of our reports.
Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Great job.
All right, it's time we'll move on uh to council uh for reports. uh ‸ start off with odds this evening.
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Okay, uh good evening. um
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you. uh we We tend to help. so we We help so many people. Sometimes you forget about your own. uh So, my daughter, she uh committed to the University of Memphis uh this week. And uh the great thing. so yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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money.
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I'm very, very proud of her um and all her accomplishments. uh she's also will be graduating for Eastern Florida State
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So, she is uh much smarter than me. um And I'm very, very, very proud of her. um ‸ So, we this Sunday, right before the Martin Luther King March, um a group of young people from the Jack and Jill organization um came in. So so imagine uh you 13, 12, ‸ 10 year old and your your parents asked you to go anywhere on Sunday, right? And especially City Hall on Sunday. You know, but these these young people were were very excited um to learn about local government. um A lot of questions um that
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I believe my first time really coming to City Hall
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every Every time I came in, I really didn't know or even know why the city government was so important to my life. So for them to be interested and wonder why we all take this charge at their age was absolutely amazing. um I'd like to send shout
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‸ City Manager also for um helping with our swag bags. um I think i think Miss Tiffany put put those together with with your with your assistance as well.
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I see the kids walking to
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this week and all of them had their glasses on. um And so little things to us it is
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um So that all of them got an opportunity to take pictures in all of our chairs. Again, it shows um what we do means something in the community. um I would
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uh with the life I was heading in. And so for for them to have the opportunity to sit
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uh from the end to end,
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um This was
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um
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um i really I got this picture because it was raining, um but we had a situation. We had a concert the night before and just so happened the um event people didn't come pick up the tent, right? And so sometimes that's how God works when a missed opportunity by them to come pick it up. We all were blessed and all of our seniors was blessed to be up under this tent while uh it was raining. uh ‸ Thank you for the council members for that attended showed up. um So not a lot of people in the chairs now because it was raining, but ‸ a lot of people standing around. um Yeah, that's yeah that's those are the glasses.
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lot of times the football team get all the praise,
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They got second place
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They played against a very, very good a top 20 uh basketball team in the nation with Palm Bay High School. um So they was really, to be honest with you, really outmatched. um But they are so young, they have a lot of upstart to them. So shout out to them for the second place finish. And
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you know, uh
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lot of photos. I think, you know, just talking to a lot of the leaders, we as a community, we just got to do a better, getting the information out. um a lot of A lot of the events have changed a lot. Some of them have gone to parades now. Some of them have changed. So our crowd wasn't as big as what it normally is. um But I think as a whole, we can, um you know, get our young people out and more of a drove up. So I know you know the young man to the right. He is our fleet manager. uh Mr. Jones, uh he's always in attendance. um You know, I really appreciate him. I just wanted to get him in. I told him I would. He told me not to. But uh but I had to do it anyway. um but But that was it. um I really appreciate um the citizens were coming out. I know that
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um I believe it's going it's definitely going to come back around. uh My stance um has always been where it is.
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have not changed thus far. But I'm really, really interested in making sure um that all
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pay for anything. And also, I really don't want our city to have to come out their pockets either
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So that's my goal. If it happened to change, then it changes it then we'll go from there. But um we'll see. But i again, I really think that um our
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that's going up there are very aggressive people. And I believe y'all ‸ going to have a great conversation with whoever that may be. And um and we'll get it done. So thank you.
‸ you're gonna ‸ have to help me maybe uh
Thank you. So uh and before I get going uh
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um at first, I'd like to apologize for staff because you're here late and I'm going down some. So let me apologize ahead time. uh So just a couple ‸ things, and I would welcome discussion at an appropriate time. So
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I would welcome that. But I also would welcome that at a later time if it was uh appropriate to do so. Or if you say, no, we don't need to talk about it, well, that's democracy. So uh uh
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a little bit ‸ housekeeping. um the Just first, I think internal as a council, uh I think it is important for us uh to, and this is not an admonishment, I think it's
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of our our great reputation. uh if if If we need to communicate ideas, uh
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And so if there are things that we would like to see direct to the city, my hope is as a council, we are using our city manager as that city manager point of contact. But also,
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about things that could be on the agenda.
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uh And i i even if we're doing something that is okay, uh my hope is from a perception standpoint, we are above board. So just sort of, you know, courtesy between us all, I i would hope we continue to do that. um uh
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um i
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would be my question of where i am totally feel that we are under prepared to make a decision and as a council member i can only speak to myself but the reality is that the legislation that came out is inclusive of the entirety of the b map and our calculation up to this point i think is representative of one fourth of the b map and if i have my an individual who lives in palm bay who helps us out with our kiddos who just got the understanding that she now owes 30 grand to hiccup to hook up her septic. That's her take. And she makes 25 a year. And so now she is totally lost on what does it mean? How do I do it?
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minimum, at a minimum, if we're going to have a discussion about our area specific in our b map that we are inclusive of an entirety of a plan that meets the legislation that now is
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which is
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which I think is the
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But until until we have a number of what that cost is, I have ‸ trouble spending millions of dollars
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for the reduction of the the nitrogen and what's going into the lagoon. So that's all I would ask is that in moving forward, if we're bringing that to council, my hope is that can somebody please provide a number for what it will take to do the entire of the
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that can help us in that calculation. But the legislation says everybody within the area, which is 400 and, you know, around it to 450. And because that is a really big number. And we're talking about one big
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you know, for three years down the road. That's a 10 million
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on tonight. That, you know, you
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so now we're at seven for one. We're at an undetermined amount for just the 100 we've identified and we've left 300 people hanging to the equivalent of what my babysitter is the same question.
Who,
how, what, when, and I haven't heard one piece of legislative clawback at all for enforcement. Because it doesn't exist. The legislators didn't even figure that out. So are we as a utility going to be responsible for a potential clawback? Is it going to be to the homeowner
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And these are all questions that if we are talking comprehensively
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the lagoon, I think my hope is as council, we may look at that as an entirety. Although I'm very willing to, if we are looking at that as an entirety and we have a plan to address that, to
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i I'm more than open to moving forward on ‸ getting a chunk, but I'm not okay with getting a chunk and going, I don't know about the rest. And and that that that would be my hope is as we are working on waiting for legislative session to to finish up. And that's a lot, that's a lot of information. I don't think that's something you whip up overnight. So maybe, maybe if council is is open to something like that, maybe while we're waiting for that funding, we could also be working on what can anybody give us a number on what it's
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And not asking for that number tonight, but I just would, would would anybody ask with oh what's that?
I'll give you a couple ‸ clues.
Well, I, and I said
how many grants we get?
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because there's money out there now.
I, and I would say independent cost of grants. So what,
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I think appointment So that, that would be one. And again, I, I would appreciate that scope of information in, in decision making, but again, not tonight. And
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so that was one, uh ‸ the, the, the other part is as education to the law. I don't believe there are out of our
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I think that there is a lot of work to do for people understanding that this law was passed by our state legislature.
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making
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of state legislature step one. So no matter what the case, and I hope that I hope that citizens understand, and I'm not saying right, wrong and different, but I'm saying our state legislators have compelled this to happen. So
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other. And I, ‸ hope that they understand, and I hope that they are planning now
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says who has to do what. So I i hope that we might need to, i I hope maybe as representatives, we can help people understand that that law exists and the gravity of the amount of money. There's a lot of, our tax base, you look at our homes,
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just put it, I'm going to grossly overstate it i'm gross i'm grossly overstating but let's say it was
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you're at
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how many of us in our districts have homes that don't equal 150 000. So we are buying a house for a single
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I, I don't disagree, and I'm not saying about
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I'm saying total amount, dollars, to, to do this. So what does that look like for the other 300 in the b map What does, and I'm just saying, it's a lot of money. I think there's a lot of consideration. I would, I would appreciate the additional information at a time that sooner than later so I could help, but educating people about the law, i I think that we as a council, that that would be to a benefit and more community engagement on what the take is on that law and how to move forward. I would welcome that. uh Thank you for the, for the latitude, sir.
Yes.
uh The, uh the, the
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uh uh chief, i I know that
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you've got it out, but I'm just as a friendly reminder, those kids don't have anything to do for a week. uh and so whatever we can do to keep them occupied when they
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because I know that if they are busy doing good, we're not making poor choices. So I just, I would share
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So anyway, ‸ good
news. uh this is all
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uh and so if you go out towards our industrial area, if you haven't been out there for a little while,
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they're turning a lot of dirt. This is a great RV storage, boat storage. uh and so folks, you know, maybe get out of the yard. if They don't need
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put it in place. It looks great. And,
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and I thought that that was just great to see on solid ground. uh everybody knows this ‸ or I hope it, you know, if you haven't seen it for six months or a year, uh it's, it's moving. That's
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uh the other is just for clarity for citizens that may be concerned about, you know, when is this getting done or when is this starting? uh
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so it's not build the whole thing, stop, and then wait for a while and rent. So uh they're going to get that going. uh And I actually, I think we're on the right side of the timeline. From a development agreement standpoint,
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uh City manager, if there's anything you want to add to that. but
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what this project is, uh was issued 15 building permits on December 3rd, 2021. And uh fast forward, we are here uh January of 2024.
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of a pandemic. We had supply chain issues. um We had labor issues. um And so, uh they are uh weeks
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their buildings. um
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um the uh uh those uh those uh apartments. These are high-end uh luxury apartments. And so, for the for the citizens that were concerned about the development agreements, they always have timelines in them.
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And to be concerned um about whether or not this project was progressing in accordance with their, uh the clock in their head is a is a just kind of funny to me because
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That's set vacant for 15 years. And so, I i i thank you for the opportunity to to uh to address that because this is going to be a very, very uh big improvement to that site. uh And uh
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agreement. In District
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Yes, sir.
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Thank
you. Hey, and speaking of District
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I just also want to remind that, uh you know, within our city, we we do have that balance of the, you know, that our environment, where right with the city.
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but they're they're alive and well over in District
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uh and abundant. And it is just a wonderful thing uh to remind us that we live in a place that has rural components to it or at least some uh wildlife. They're just all over the place. uh The the other part, and uh i so this is our our good friends over at the old Flying J. uh And so that's
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trucks on a Sunday night. And it stays packed and it's not the same truck every night. So I i just share from a from a marketing standpoint, I'm not a marketing guy, uh but ‸ I do understand that there is a lot of traffic going through there. uh And then I saw that sign that said
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we could figure out,
you know, say, you know, come live here, come explore here, come be great here. We love you truckers. Please find your family here. uh and And I don't know if that is, but, you know, if there's an opportunity there, I tried to talk to the folks and it got complicated. I don't think it's as complicated as it made it. So anyway, uh I i would love to see something uh from a tourism standpoint. And whether that's the the tourism council to combine us to sign and
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uh But anyway, I thought that would be a great way to welcome some folks and maybe some new families and show them our new homes. uh Equally, we've heard a lot about Friday Road. uh And so just for for clarity, uh if you haven't been out to
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in a while, uh that's right at
the intersection where
previously, you know, I think folks had mentioned the potholes and how bad the intersection was. So that's the
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My hope would have been that that the
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to accommodate more. And maybe that's a redo, uh depending on what we see there.
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those who do. But just so you know, that's ‸ that intersection across the street from all those trucks that I just saw. And ultimately, that would be the exit where people would be coming out of probably primarily for all the development. But it is nice and paved. And that's all I got. Thank you. right Thank you.
‸ So you want me to go?
Yes.
oh okay. um Well, I'm not sure how to unpack all of that. I ‸ really feel like we need a workshop because there are a lot of things that were said that are incorrect. One being that this is just about 88 homes. There are, there's 470, as we know,
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A number of those those did we get a number Jack on the number of potential
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million that was signed into law um
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because we have um 60 residents that can get their quick connects virtually paid for. Well it's 12 000
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to everyone in the county and it's on a first come first serve. So um there's 60 of those 470. Of course we have the 88 direct
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Then you have another at least 200 homes behind them in
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Terrace where
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Now these houses are very close together. They have non-uniform lots. So they've we've had all sorts of problems with people even being able to put up sheds. Just because it's a very it's a dense developed area and septics really limit you. ‸ doing the main down Indian River Drive will provide us offers us the opportunity to later expand that
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of whittle it down.
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um But there are in terms of it. I'm sorry you're disappointed. I have and I do meet with the city manager every week. Every week. Every
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And I research and we talk about ideas. This
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um ‸ but uh At any rate I did have one thing I wanted to share because these septic projects are very expensive.
um
And sitting on the you know I've been sitting on the Save Our Indian River Lagoon. A citizen oversight committee since the beginning. So a lot of times it's hard for me to explain because I have so much history. And having worked in this industry. It's kind of hard for me to know where to start with with folks. But one thing that always comes up is well we're spending so much money here. It doesn't make sense. We should spend it over here. We should. And more often than not, people would like to spend it on the wastewater treatment plant because it's a very visible. when you know When there is a problem,
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very visible and it's the front page headlines and it just makes everybody sick to their stomach. But the plan is based on the data and the science that shows that we have multiple sources. We have the muck that is the legacy pollution. We have to prevent pollution. That's the septic to sewer. That's the storm water And we do support the wastewater. Now if I just do this, is this going to come up for me? Or do I need to? I just pulled these two slides. And
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the plan, by the way, is there for anyone to look at online. We just met last Friday um and
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approved the recommendations for this year. They will go to the county commission. The county commission um will have the opportunity to vote on those in March. So every year there's additional monies and the citizen oversight committee looks at the applications and determines, you know, where that money will be spent. So I just put this up here because I wanted to
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our opportunities to uh say go after grants for the sellers plant,
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But we should still try. And it's again, it's never an either or for these grants. It's not.
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report. Yes, that black line indicates that those you're correct. The black line and the places and the and the communities that are identified below that are not applicable because they were deemed that they were not major contributors in the in the analysis that Tetra tech completed. And therefore, they're not eligible for dollars from save
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Indian River Lagoon, right? So
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not eligible. We never were eligible, but we were eligible because quite honestly,
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Tetra Tech report. The distance, right? They're saying, you know, basically the b map is now opening up and saying, we'll give you 12 000 for a quick connect, whatever. But the Tetra Tech report has everything based on distance for septic. And so only the people who are within 55 yards, 150 feet or whatever, are going to get the full funding. And depending on whether you're sewer or advanced septic. And then as you, before you get halfway to
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you get nothing. Because they've deemed by by that distance that the the penetration of the nutrients into the soil doesn't necessarily get fully back. Or if it does get back, there
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rock formations and the carbons that are in there actually act as a natural act as a natural cleaner. So the
half cent sales tax by referendum is based on paying per pound of nitrate, gender phosphorus. So
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But we know overall that septics and having 60 000 septics in Brevard County is contributing to our impaired water body, which is not just impaired water body, it's health risk. um You know, some of these algaes, they're still studying, but um you know there are potential health risks. And then, so just as Jack was explaining,
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going. So I just wanted to clear that up with you. And also, uh I did bring the annual report.
it says that it was coming up.
And again, Brevard County voted by referendum in 2016 to have some skin in the game so that we could go to the state and match grants. And that's what they've done. You know,
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75 of the lagoon. But um this gives you an idea. Some of the projects. I'm sorry. It's not. Let me just
like pass this Yeah, ‸ Yeah.
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preventing pollution, and then restoring lagoon shores. So those are the projects that you see on the back. And again,
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was said, other than to say, I would really like to see us have a workshop where we look at the ‸ whole issue. The North Indian River Lagoon
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lot of funds now, um and you know identify exactly the
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and the opportunities for funding. And that's what Palm Bay has done because they have they're aggressively pursuing these grants. um
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couple weeks ago. And, um you know, she said they had to show skin in the game. They had to pass that, um you know, pass the ordinance and to really be able to go to the state and say, you know, we're ready. ‸ we want to catch up. We want to be a first-rate city with first-rate infrastructure. so That's end of my report. Everybody get one.
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um first off, I want to say uh I also want to harp on Chief Lamb. That is a big deal. Me, myself going through the EMT program. I don't know how I made it through without gray hair or pulling my hair out. It's extremely tough, especially, you know, being a student at the same time and doing it. is So that's a tremendous accomplishment.
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about,
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and I know this may be tough, but
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agrees, uh I would like to host a city sponsored community um community meeting
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uh location. um there's some issues starting to rise I spoke to ‸ chief about it. um He's been doing his part, you know, trying trying to uh minimize those incidents, but I think it's real necessary for the citizens over there to see us, uh you know, have a presence and let the people know that we see what's going on and uh we're working on it. So, uh I don't know, I can communicate with the city manager tomorrow and and maybe work out some dates.
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um I was thinking the location, the
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I think that would be a good spot for us to be visible uh to everyone and um just go talk about some of the things that you know we plan on doing to uh assist the citizens that are having issues over there. um I think Code Enforcement would be another good partner to join us. So if you all are in agreeance with that, uh I can work with the city manager on setting something
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I appreciate you guys backing that. um I'm also excited about the groundbreaking for the
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and uh
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that's been in the works for some time now. uh That was probably one of the biggest ‸ questions I got asked over the years. When is it going to take place? So I'm excited for that. um I know part of that is in District
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as well, but it's grandfathered in District
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so um And also in regards to the MLK parade, i I had a special detail. I had to attend the
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And I
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tell you i was it was I was mind blown at the amount of participation from all levels of government over there. uh You had everyone from your school board representatives, your county commissioners, all your city council members from all the cities over there. And
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uh MLK parade, we have uh we're real well representative well represented as far as uh ‸ government. And um I'm not forgetting anything. That's it.
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um Berenger, um um Mr. Walsh, he made some statements about the cost, right? And
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just to get numbers, right? That's the issue as well. um So can can you can you explain to him what what that looks like as well?
Yeah, there's two big problems with that concept. One is that it would violate our internal financial policies that we've already established, that all projects are funded before we place them out to bid. And it would also create a huge problem perception problem in the construction industry if if contractors start to figure out or get wind that we put something out frivolously just to get numbers on, but we
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no intention of or had the funding to back it up.
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bid or do our work in the future. And I would never want to
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down that road ever.
Okay. um So my next question. So we talk about um getting the engineer's costs. The engineer's cost doesn't ‸ necessarily uh equal out ‸ to actual construction costs or from the contractor's costs.
Yeah. Quite often it varies. Yes.
um I'm not sure if he understands that. I just, I'm just trying to clear it. So he, because he had some very specific questions. because
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a certain bid
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bids are coming in at 2.1 million or or less some Sometimes the engineers cost a little bit more. So I, I think that's the issue for us too. As far as trying to find out what that number is, do we ever come to a real number without it being bid? That's the, I
think it's extremely difficult. And I've said this before and just not to go on too long here,
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that type of construction. It's underground. We already know that there's layers of coquina in certain locations that we've tried to analyze by taking borings
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to compensate for that in the, in the, in the construction
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by having a range mean a cost to dig it and a cost to bore it and, or, and, or some kind of combination. So, so a good scenario. And I think it was councilman dial who brought it up a few meetings ago ‸ about how it certainly is, is not unheard of that if we start to do a bore and the
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advance or it collapses when we try to install the pipe, that then we have to go back and then dig it. And guess what? In, in any construction estimate that we would put together, it's not going to take that into account. We're going to throw
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or something on there. And that's kind of what we have like a dig cost and a bore cost. But if I have to pay you to late to, to, do ‸ to do the bore and you get halfway through and it fails and you have to pull it out. Now I've got to pay you for that work that you just attempted and
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‸ dig it. And that is not in, it's not never going to be captured in anything that we can do.
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this particular type of project,
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like a pump station or a, um or, or like an advanced septic. We
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It's going to vary right in those numbers because it's very definable. There's there's a hole in the ground. you got plumbing from the house to that, and you got the plumbing from, you know, uh you know to the to the drain field. whatever
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know What are you disturbing on top? Is it pavers? Is it asphalt? Is it just grass? You know, it's so
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square foot for Bahia and so on. And so those become a lot more definable within it within a reasonable range where you can predict them. And so
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you know try to summarize, is I think that you know that there's a lot of concern, or or certainly there's certainly my concern is is related to it, which is simply we have a lot of risk in pursuing that project, regardless of how many grants we think we can capture and and how much funding we can get from Save Our Indian River Lagoon. And
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close to feasible because we didn't have any of that. We would never, I would never recommend even going close to those projects because spending 13 or 14 million
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88 converted systems is not worth it. It just, it just isn't in the grand scheme of expense.
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I'm trying to look at capital dollars that we generate on on the sewer side and proportionally spend that in those increments each year to try to come up with the best plans. And although that plant project that you just, ‸ was a kind of a compliance have to do kind of a thing is a big chunk of money. We don't, you know, we generally don't have 10 million
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laying around to do a particular project. That project was contemplated almost three and a half years ago, and we've been trying to get its design. And
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out to bid and getting the
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number. Now we have again now we ‸ guaranteed max price. Unless we dig a major change to the scope or have a major deviation that it wouldn't be covered by a contingency that built into that 10 million
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number. We should come in under, you know, within that number contractor makes some money. We get what we need and
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was was saying, which was, Hey, you know, we've got 400
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for everybody in that basin to become compliant. Or we're looking at a combination of 10 or 12 million
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and another
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to become compliant. So I think it still comes down in my mind only to some discussions and some deep understanding of where council might want to go with respect to how it's funded. There is a ‸ risk by putting that project in motion that somebody has, you can't, we can't go and accept these grants and not have a plan to deal with it if we come up short that that's the that's what that agenda item says that's what it's been saying for the last four or five times it's coming that's what's in there that's the fundamental what do we do if we get the grants and it covers everything and expenses come in lower then that's a good thing but if it doesn't what do we do and who should pay for it and for me as the director I get very uneasy in my chair when I look at the costs of that kind of a septic expense or that kind of sewer expense even though the you know the the reasons are right the lagoon is important those are all great reasons but I'm also I'm i'm collecting about 92 percent of the total revenues of
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collected from the water side so I spent about
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I spent about
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on average that's vehicles capital at the plant sewer improvements and other little lift station stuff that we do anything that's capital it runs around that proportion so to overspend that we're not overspend but spend well beyond that norm I think has is going to be looked at closely and
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and you know kind of give you the input I try to give you all the sides of it that part of it is the part is a concerning part if we can again if we can offset that with grants then great it works but if it doesn't offset with grants we can have another unknown
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and then even with the compliance even if we make it mandatory to connect and to try to grab as much of the
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as is there's still people who may not connect I just don't want to connect so what do we do because we're gonna have to pay somebody back
I appreciate you thank
you ‸ sir sorry that was that was way longer than I should have said
I ‸ I wanted i want to give you the opportunity just to express that side because
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I'm pretty sure he's gonna ‸ have some more for you
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decisions and like councilwoman costs and others were ‸ you know alluding to which is there probably needs to be a little bit more discussion but it's there are some fundamentals that read the agenda there are some fundamental decisions that are in those those those uh areas are highlighted in the agenda as I say if you're going to go this way there's some implications about about your ordinance and about how we're going to go forward and who's going to pay for it and and that has some rub amongst your own citizens as well as yourself
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and if we go to the septic there are certain things that have to happen because we're tying up sewer money for the for the hard sewer, so that has to be dealt with.
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because now that has become the law. But we have six years to decide, are we going to do an advanced septic system and and ‸ how is that going to be funded? I'm sure there's other grants that are going to be coming available that can offset certain costs associated with that. Is that the way to go? And if if that comes up, because we're going to get caught in the middle because I think we're still on the hook to be the applicant. Because
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but, um but definitely if it's a DEP grant, they're not going to individual citizens cannot comply and cannot apply for that.
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So we're going to be in the middle of this thing, managing the the improvements on personal property, on private property, uh with contractors and other things that are going on. So, yeah, there is an approach that needs to be sort of laid out. uh but, but fundamentally we need to kind of decide what, what that's going to look like as a council gives direction to us as to how to proceed. One or the other hybrid, whatever it's going to be. uh and then from there, then we can come back and bring more detail as to how we might accomplish that.
Can I ask a quick question? Because we have in the audience, we have people from
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Terrace,
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has big implications for them. Do you see them never going to, I mean, so they would just be all on septic
i I don't see, I mean, right now the only place where we have, the only place where we're getting hard
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to the tetratech study and
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They do everything based on distance and impact of phosphorus and nitrogen. So the people in
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Terrace and anywhere from
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Terrace all the way up to the edge of us-1 they're getting almost nothing or most of them are getting nothing or nothing significant. That's going to offset the cost of doing possibly
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to go in place.
Okay. So it's just that there are people that are going to move as a result of this conversation. I
mean, I, know, I can only tell you what I see in front of me. and What I see in front of me is
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are ‸ part of, has only allowed the disbursement of funds proportional to distance. Like
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1500 feet away, you're getting nothing. And that's septic or the hard pipe. You're getting nothing. ‸ I
haven't did I did not do the plan. We only vote on additional monies and applications, okay?
Right, I'm sorry. So it's, you know, from
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That's how that, I mean,
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had to do something, right? Yet, getting all that tax
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some kind of metric to distribute the
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confess to the plan. I was actually the county manager when they did the plan.
now can
I go? Because i waited so patiently.
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I have the floor.
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were having
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kids get their uniforms. They were very proud of that, sir. uh Thank you, with Chris Webb, another Red Raider, and also the Rotarians.
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about
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the young kids, getting them civically active in the community, they will be picking up trash. That is the reason why I was asking y'all about the buckets. So it's imperative. I know we may have to just go back through KBB. I don't know. I guess the buckets grew legs and they walked away. But that's where it's at. um This is a community event that was held
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where everyone spoke. And
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as
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his last name. Forgive me, sir. uh But he's the newest member for the recreational leader there. um ‸ We had Literacy Week this past week
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can see, one of our former school board member Mrs. Janice Kirkshaw, also read to the kids.
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there?
Hail Wildcats. uh
These are the various principal. Principal,
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a great time. It
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man. And it was positive. And the kids, that
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as they adventured to each room to be read. But in the next room over, they had activities that are applicable to what was shared in the room when we were doing Literacy Week. Is that it, brother? Green Eggs and Ham. Well, okay. I'll save it for another rainy day. One ‸ other thing. Let me end on this.
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We've taken a tour of their facility. They had a test firing of
their
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uh excuse me rocket engine, and they did a phenomenal job. They used recycled plastic to ignite the engine, as we all
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along with um Martin Marietta and a host of space industry professionals. It was very, very limited seating. uh But the thing that was most important, ‸ was a successful launch, multiple testing. And the beautiful thing about all this is that, um hey, man, everybody was actively involved. Also, in the literacy, we had an organization from Jamaica, the International
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in this. um I'm sorry we didn't get all the pictures there. And I'll just say before ‸ next council meeting about where we are, legislatively speaking,
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that will have a direct impact ‸ us, economically speaking, from changing the
homestead
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exemption from 50 000 to 75 000 And how do we make up for that loss? And we have 400 plus homes that don't even qualify at the
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So, we have to be creative. We have to be thinking outside of the box. So, how we're going to make up for that lost revenue? And also, they're trying to limit the funds that we can take from our utilities and place in that general fund. Yes, sir. Back at it again. So, that's why it's imperative that
we participate in this.
in um
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Five individuals throughout
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County has resigned from their
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because of Form
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the impact. And it's not just only in
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County, but it is statewide. And our president, Greg Ross, is in a vicarious scenario right now because this city voted to to be a part of this lawsuit and he was against it, but he's the president. um
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as a colleague. Thank you for that. um For clarity. I i am out of that ‸ understanding. uh And I think uh
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the sentiment of my intent uh during that. So I just to share with you, not so much specific to a single project, but like, what's the whole plan for the whole area? So I just, I share that with you. uh And sir, and I appreciate that. Member
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you had mentioned, uh you know, a workshop to that, to that effect of, or so on ‸ so
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‸ as a council, I would be very open to be at a special meeting. And when we say workshop, that can take different forms. So I, I would be very open to be a special meeting slash presentation slash priority, ‸ something to that effect, uh outside ‸ the scope of a regular meeting, uh
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then I would be very open to that. uh and if there's a, if,
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appreciate that. Not to step ahead, but I'm open to that for sure.
It's okay
thank you
a special meeting workshop is already on the calendar for February. Okay.
so, so in conclusion, you notice I share the floor respectfully.
Thank you, sir.
So, yes, sir.
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but our directors, I thank you very much, very much for your commitment and dedication. In order for there to be a difference, we must make that. And you all are illustrating and demonstrating that. So on behalf of this council and as your friendly mayor, I do thank you. And I know those are two words we do not hear enough. But I thank you with all of my heart.
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all your heart, it makes a difference. So I say thank you very much. And
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Garganese, please stand, sir. Paisano,
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Let's give Anthony a round of applause.
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and you're just warming
up,
baby, so we look forward to another 30 years. So
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to adjourn.
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you, thank you. God bless.